BIG! – NSA Recommends Dropping Phone Surveillance Program….

Perhaps the weaponization of the NSA database was the biggest research project we ever took on.  That said, CTH prudence requires a lack of commentary.  For a background on this story see the [“SIDE NOTE“] previously presented HERE.  “The candle is not worth the flame.”

(WASHINGTON DC) The National Security Agency has recommended that the White House abandon a U.S. surveillance program that collects information about Americans’ phone calls and text messages, saying the logistical and legal burdens of keeping it outweigh its intelligence benefits, according to people familiar with the matter.

The recommendation against seeking the renewal of the once-secret spying program amounts to an about-face by the agency, which had long argued in public and to congressional overseers that the program was vital to the task of finding and disrupting terrorism plots against the U.S.

The latest view is rooted in a growing belief among senior intelligence officials that the spying program provides limited value to national security and has become a logistical headache.

Frustrations about legal-compliance issues forced the NSA to halt use of the program earlier this year, the people said. Its legal authority will expire in December unless Congress reauthorizes it.  (read more)

…”It is up to the White House, not the NSA, to decide whether to push for legislation to renew the phone-records program. The White House hasn’t yet reached a policy decision about the surveillance program, according to the people familiar with the matter.

The White House National Security Council and the NSA declined to comment.”…

[…] In remarks over the past month, Gen. Paul Nakasone, the director of the NSA and chief of U.S. Cyber Command, has declined to offer specifics about the status of conversations about the metadata program, but he has acknowledged officials are reviewing whether it is necessary.

“It’s a collaborative process, and the administration will make the decision,” Mr. Nakasone said this month at a Marshall Forum event in Washington. “We are taking a look at it, what is the value of it, what are we able to get from it…I think the question becomes, is this a tool that we continue to need to have for our nation’s security?” (link)

May God continue to bless Admiral Mike Rogers…

Do not go about your day without contemplating the scale of this decision; and more importantly the ideological shift on the freedom continuum.  97% of our nation will have no comprehension of the importance of this story.

One of the hurdles in revealing the scale of the story behind the abused FISA process are the current interests of the intelligence community.  Those who benefited from the abuse of the system have used “national security interests” as a shield to avoid revealing the history of Obama-era political surveillance and spying.

However, if the intelligence apparatus says they no longer want/need the surveillance system; that is, the specific aspect used for prior abuse; well, the shield is removed;… and, as a consequence, the history of how the NSA database was abused for political spy operation can then be revealed.

Love to all.

Wolverines !!

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277 Responses to BIG! – NSA Recommends Dropping Phone Surveillance Program….

  1. Rasser says:

    That’s a mighty big concession to make, wow.

    Liked by 8 people

    • Pa Hermit says:

      Don’t forget the “motto” of the IC: “In God we trust, all others we monitor!”

      Liked by 2 people

      • Ready Steady Go says:

        IC—- please please don’t release all that info president Trump!!! We will change our way, we will do anything you want. We will stop the collection. Please please don’t tell on us!!! By the way, how would you like to have 8 years of Obama’s phone calls??? We have them all alphabetized by subject. You can look under c for coup if you like

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    • The next big concession they’ll have to make is admitting that fighting terrorism begins with (dare I say it) having meaningful BORDERS! And not waiting until they’re already running amok in the interior of the country! What a concept!

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    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      I wonder if Sundance has that copyrighted, or if we can share it around since it’s such a great graphic!

      Liked by 3 people

      • Zimbalistjunior says:

        I’m sorry. I support pretty much everything SD and all the treepers support but I fear this is political correctness run amok.

        Let us be clear. This program (if it’s the one I think it is) is invaluable if used against possible Muslim terrorists.

        Let us continue to use it against these people- who seek to destroy this country. If they could use a dirty bomb in Times Square they would do it ASAP. And we need to be protected against that.

        Let us hope that any public discontinuation of any such program is not the whole story. And let us dump pc crap when we need to.

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        • Sherri Young says:

          Then quit using it against other people.

          Liked by 3 people

        • “Those who would sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither.”

          Liked by 9 people

        • booger71 says:

          The FBI has received intel many times about pending attacks and chose not act on it. So what good was the intel gathered again?

          Liked by 15 people

          • Sherbear61 says:

            Exactly what I thought!!

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          • mopar2016 says:

            Just because they say they’ll end the program, doesn’t mean that they will.
            Maybe they’ll rename it and expand it.

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          • TheLastDemocrat says:

            We are genuinely in a tough spot.
            Sure, I can buy the story that we don’t know about all of the disrupted terrorist plots.

            But I do know: 1. this was weaponized for political purposes – and this is ALL VERY UN-AMERICAN – people have NO privacy, AND we get investigations of people motivated by POLITICS where they will investigate UNTIL THEY FIND THE CRIME. THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF innocent until proven guilty, habeas corpus, etc. The flipping OPPOSITE.
            Face your accusers, etc.

            2. As noted, we have seen GREAT FAILURES. The Ft. Lauderdale airport shooter walked INTO the darn FBI HEADQUARTERS and said he was a likely killer. They took his guns, but gave them back, and said, have a nice day.

            Hassan was telling EVERYONE he wanted to kill in a jihad. This practically got him PROMOTED. On a military base where – get this – YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!

            San Bernardino: “we did not want to upset any Muslims by reviewing their social media in order to evaluate whether they are any kind of security risk as they go pick up an arranged marriage jihadi bride in Pakistan.” Well, why not just give the terrorists a map to the home of the celebrities, so to speak, while you are at it.

            This is all so dumb.

            Let’s do a “thought experiment.” There is no such thing as having eveyone’s phone calls, but we still have a terrorist threat. What do we do?

            1. keep track of people here on visitor and student visas.
            2. and on and on.

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          • meow4me2 says:

            Exactly right! The signals intelligence is no good if no one acts on it. Plus, they get so much data, it’s hard to find what you really want, like the needle in the haystack. We went from human intelligence to relying on signals intelligence. Everything I’ve read is that we really need the human intelligence back.

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        • snarkybeach says:

          That program worked out flawlessly in the matter of the Tsarnaev brothers. How many times did RUSSIA warn us they had been radicalized?

          Liked by 12 people

        • wee2low says:

          Sorry but I disagree with you on this. With everything that’s been discovered about our government do you really think that a program like this will be used exclusively to “protect” Americans. If you do I have some rare sand to sell you from Iraq. You act as if a Muslim terror attack hasn’t happened on American soil since the NSA put this in place.

          Sorry to say but freedom is messy sometimes. The most powerful crime syndicate in the world is the US Government. It is a legal mafia. This program should have never been in place even in the hands of a benevolent government let alone this dumpster fire.

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        • sundance says:

          When there is a switch that can be flipped, someone will flip it.

          Liked by 13 people

        • YvonneMarie says:

          Did you read the article ?

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        • Child of Morning says:

          Agree. And further, it is not that the shield can longer be used, it is that the shield won’t be necessary.

          “Hey, you dirtbags used that program to unlawfully spy on people”
          “Yep, the program was too difficult to stay within legal compliance. So we dropped it. Matter closed. Next.”

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        • Child of Morning says:

          Agree. And further, it is not that the shield can longer be used, it is that the shield won’t be necessary.

          “Hey, you dirtbags used that program to unlawfully spy on people”
          “Yep, the program was too difficult to stay within legal compliance. So we dropped it. Matter closed. Next.”

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        • Eddison Tollett Night's Watch says:

          They would never use it against Muslim terrorists because that would be racist. Instead, they will use it against us!

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    • ❤️ it Sundance. Goes to prove how smart President Trump is and how smart the Fake News is. They will learn what is important and what is propaganda. Before long, even the sheeples will realize what propaganda they have been pushing. If they think their ratings fell after the Mueller/Weissmann report release, they ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!

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    • IrishEyesSouth says:

      Well illustrated, SD. 😂

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    • ParteaGirl says:

      And the small black dot that the media is focused on is fake and paid for by Hillary Clinton.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Amy2 says:

      I know this is regarding surveillance, but I see this graphic as: The black part represent what PDT is getting done, and the little dot is the focus on what he hasn’t done yet. Just sayin’.

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  2. SwampRatTerrier says:

    Yeah? But are they telling any truth?

    Don’t they have a decades and decades long history of not disclosing the truth?????

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    • Yes. Partly. Trump is the President. Thus ended their truth!

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    • Max De says:

      The truth is the surveillance state is feeling the pressure of what is about to happen with spygate and the surveillance is trying get out ahead of the negative publicity. Their solution is to poush this bullshit in a flaccid effort that government will take care of remedying its past wrongs. It never works. What has to happen is that this program needs to be eliminated in its entirety as it concerns U.S. citizens’ communications and a law with severe criminal penalties must be passed that criminalizes any government actor collecting and/or storing electronic communications of U.S. citizens absent a court order granting a warrant, an order approving a warrant signed by a real court not the make believe fake FISC

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  3. JoAnn Leichliter says:

    It’s about time. This program was appalling from its inception. Now, if one could only believe that it would really stop…

    Liked by 7 people

    • Dutchman says:

      My concern is, as previously posted, the perpetrators of abusing this system need to be brought to Justice, by being hung with their own words, so none of the phony defences will work, either with juries, OR the American people.

      And, the way to do that is by USING this system, they abused, to heal the wound.

      Look how much we learned, JUST from the lover texts. THINK how much we could learn from the texts, emails and phone calls of ALL the perpetrators, going back to 2010, say?

      Are they now saying dismantle it, because of reasons given, or because everything needed to put a noose around every neck, is located right in one place.
      Is this the most blatant case of “destruction of evidence” in history?
      Perhaps a restraining order, to at least ARCHIVE the material?

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      • Kermit says:

        My thoughts almost exactly.

        Is this the biggest CYA maneuver ever?? How many people have been caught up in this attempted coup? How many other powerful people are afraid of having incriminating, or at the very least, embarrassing communication revealed as the pendulum swings? Things possibly not even related to the attempted coup. Didn’t they possibly create a monster that now they are afraid of having turn on them??

        Are they talking about destroying the database?

        Sorry, but when it comes to the cesspool that is Washington, I am always suspicious. But, I would welcome any facts that would prove me wrong.

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        • Blue Moon says:

          I do believe they have all the information they need. Time to shut it down cause they have been caught with their pants down. Hillary was awful confident with her statement today. She still feels untouchable by all this.

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          • MelH says:

            I thought Hillary had a brain, until today. To come out criticizing ANYONE, much less Trump, on Social Media…..but wait….she had to have a reason. Is she gone from this country but wants everyone to think she is still here?

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      • Sherbear61 says:

        You are spot on…

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  4. Robert W says:

    Wow… God Bless Trump, our Nation, Rogers, and Sundance!

    Liked by 6 people

  5. Snow White says:

    Dear Lord in heaven, has the hell frozen over? I can hardly believe what I am reading.

    Liked by 2 people

  6. lolli says:

    This would be a great victory!!🇺🇸

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  7. starfcker says:

    Big is an understatement

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  8. farmerren says:

    Send Hillary over to the NSA with a hammer.

    Liked by 4 people

    • Sherbear61 says:

      Seriously? She’s one of the people who would love to see it eliminated, think what’s on every one of those blackberrys her and many others had…..

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  9. testpointwp says:

    ” the logistical and legal burdens of keeping it outweigh its intelligence benefits…”
    Hi. Remember me? I’m the 4th amendment. I’ve been feeling a little neglected.

    Liked by 9 people

    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      Excuse me for a second…….not to be a wet blanket on this……

      But it sounds to me that they are trying to “downplay” the issue of monitoring calls during the time Obama was eavesdropping on everyone…..

      Obama is basically caught….but now we are basically hearing:

      “There is no intelligence benefit”

      “Oh yeah we were monitoring everyone, but their was no intelligence benefit… so don’t worry about it….”

      I’m not saying….keep on monitoring…no way…

      To me it smells…..if I am off base fine

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      • 🍺Gunny66 says:

        And as Dutch stated……What are they gonna do now?

        Delete all the phone call data?…..Even on the crooks who did this?
        Too much data? Did anyone get a glimpse of that center in Utah?

        How about….”Oh yeah…..now we are not going to monitor any phone calls from the Chinese”……” No intelligence value”

        Nope…this stinks….something’s up

        ..

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        • TrumpPatriot says:

          Just google search for that video of Maxine telling the reporter to refrresh your memory of her statements: There are some who have it all at the tip of their fingers.

          “The President (Obama) has put in place an organization that contains a database that no one has ever seen before in life. That’s going to be very, very, powerful”
          “And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways it has never been done before.”

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        • TrumpPatriot says:

          Just google search for that video of Maxine telling the reporter to refrresh your memory of her statements: There are some who have it all at the tip of their fingers.

          “The President (Obama) has put in place an organization that contains a database that no one has ever seen before in life. That’s going to be very, very, powerful”
          “And that database will have information about everything on every individual in ways it has never been done before.”

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      • ibid says:

        I do not believe you are off base at all.

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      • Pegm says:

        Gunny, my first thought was that of course they want to shut it down because they are afraid it will be used against THEM. It’s ok to use against us, but not ok to be used against them.
        Just my first reaction. Like you, not saying it needs to stay, just too coincidental that they want to shut it down just as things, for them, start to heat up.

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        • I think EVERYONE is looking at this event the wrong way…1) Everyone knows the access abuses on American citizens. 2) The ones doing it are now under investigation or about to be. 3) The picture of Adm Rogers being there is a tell…He is showing Gen Naczone how it went down. 4) Adm Rogers has been around long enough to know that when the abuses started, he STARTED BACKING UP THE DATA…It would not take tha long AND it would ONLY require a few TRUSTED AIDES…5) President Trump would NOT agree to something like this if there was a way to NOT HAVE THE DATA ON AMERICAN(S) that were unmasked. 6) PDJT KNOWS what he is facing and he is on a TIMELINE…WHICH MEANS:

          THE HAMMER IS ABOUT TO DROP…

          Anyone can play the OMG game and still exist but this…YES…IT LOOKS LIKE A PDJT SPECIAL PLAY TO THE DEEP STATERS…How elsea are they going to get their 0400 wake-up talking points…

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  10. Issy says:

    I think it is a very good idea. I don’t see how they would be able to determine from the millions of text and calls in a day who was planning a terrorist attack. I know they use keywords, etc, but really is a serious terrorist going to spell it out for them. It was never a good idea.

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    • They couldn’t figure out the Douglas shooter in Broward County and the sheriff and FBI had interviewed him multiple times. He was a kid. What would they possibly do with an organized terrorist group?

      Liked by 2 people

      • diogenes says:

        That’s assuming they’re not deliberately ignoring things in order to exploit a “tragic event no one could possibly have seen coming” for their own nefarious ends.

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    • Sunshine says:

      Other friendly allies are doing the phone spying of our behalf.
      Since 99% of all of the terror-related events involve not only the Arabic language but also accomplices from networks linked to Arabic-speaking nations, they are in a better situation to monitor phone issues.
      And let’s not forget there is more than one way to intercept a conversation.
      All in all, I think this is a very good decision.

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      • MaineCoon says:

        This is what I was going to post. I think we’ll get the information we need from ME – SA.- at least while POTUS is president. What president would dare reinstate it afterwards with spygate still smouldering.

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  11. Max De says:

    Pure window dressing. This means one of 2 things. Either the NSA has a new replacement program in place or the NSA wants more money. Government agencies never give up power or turf, ever. Congress/president created this monster years ago & Congress/president must be the one to kill/neuter it. This kill/neuter means both an elimination of the program and a law making it illegal for anyone in the government to collect and/or store electronic communications of U.S. citizens without a court approved warrant, a court meaning a real court and not the make believe pretend court known as the FISC.

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    • trialbytruth says:

      The NSA was repositioned in terms of autonomy. That does changes the calculus in terms of chain of command and old guard.

      None the less your point deserves fair consideration.

      “How can you tell Government is lying? They will tell you in a press release.”

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    • L4grasshopper says:

      I disagree.

      This is not NSA giving up turf. This is a DIRNSA who, like Rogers before him, is a patriot and who understands the problem.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      I agree that our government will not give up anything. Those of us with copper home phone lines still pay a tax on long distance calls to pay off the Spanish American War. They have changed the rates many times and canceled it a few, but within two years there it is back on everyone’s bills. The only way to get rid of it is to convert to cell phones.
      Now, what are these programs the NSA has put on every hard drive manufactured in the USA for two decades?
      Do smart meters pick up the hidden microphones in TVs and kitchen appliances that David Petraeus warned us about? He got fired for that.

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    • Max De I concur. “Either the NSA has a new replacement program in place…”

      Ever notice how the feds quietly drop air craft and many people wonder why a success bird is mothballed? Like the U-2, A-12, SR-71?

      It’s because they have something superior already on flight status which the hoi polloi will find out about decades after the fact.

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      • Max De says:

        Maybe the superior “replacement” in this case is the outsourcing or “privatization” of the meta data collection program. Maybe the infrastructure is finally in place for a”private” for profit concern to take over this meta data collection program, a private concern that would make google or facebook look like a single celled data collection organism, Hell it may be “google” that takes the handoff of this collection program from the “nsa”. Less rules that way. Fascism much?

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      • Perot Conservative says:

        Amazon AWS / cloud services already does about $7 Billion a year. But how about this?

        “The Seattle-based tech giant, which announced on Tuesday that it will plant a new headquarters ***a mile south of the Pentagon, already holds a number of contracts with federal agencies. It’s in line for another $10 billion if it succeeds in its bid for a massive Defense Department contract known as JEDI, or Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure***. Amazon is widely seen as the frontrunner to win the job, which involves hosting data operations critical to military missions across the globe.”

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      • Robert Smith says:

        U-2 still flies.

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  12. cheryl says:

    Since zero terrorists have been caught by this surveillance, I say shut it down except for collecting the FBI and DOJ’s phone calls and emails because they have shown they need to be constantly monitored.

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  13. Caius Lowell says:

    Evelyn Farkas just pooped a kitten…

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  14. StanH says:

    Very good. Very good indeed.

    KAG! …by poking the eyes out of the NWO on the citizens USA. If you listen really hard you’ll hear John McCain screaming about this up from hell.

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  15. Akindole says:

    This may put Tracfone out of business.

    Liked by 3 people

  16. calbear84 says:

    President Trump is not playing. Drain that swamp!

    Liked by 1 person

  17. IrishEyesSouth says:

    Wow! Do I hear a tiny ring of freedom? #MAGA 🇺🇸

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  18. Og Oggilby says:

    Cue Suspicious Cat….

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  19. L4grasshopper says:

    When the Patriot Act authorized, for the first time, the legal use of NSA’s formidable electronic spycraft for domestic use, I shuddered. I was, at the time, an upper middle mgr of a technical/engineering office at the NSA [GS-15] involved in the design, implementation, and deployment of some fascinating capabilities — all of which were always pointed outwards at non Americans. Which was until the Patriot Act our only legal targets.

    What the current DIRNSA is admitting is that the complexity to try to use these capabilities and REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE with the 4th Amendment has proved to be impossible — AND the intelligence “take” on legal surveillance has been marginal, at best, anyway.

    I retired before Obama took over, but even before I left I was privy to many at work who struggled to comply with tasking that previously had been flat illegal.

    I fully endorse Gen Nakasone’s recommendations, and I hope the President fully implements his recommendations.

    And BTW — we will learn more about how vitally important former DIRNSA Gen Rogers’ contribution to saving our country truly was. I suspect his testimony will be a feature in upcoming legal proceedings against former, and maybe current, FBI, DOJ, and Intel seniors who used these capabilities corruptly and illegally.

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  20. Bill says:

    Communication between all the conspirators of Russia-Gate could be in that warehouse full of data. Maybe put a hold on all the data collected between 2009-2019. Until the trials are over that is…Then burn it all.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Bill,
      Yes, cue suspiscious cat, indeed. They had no problem abusing the system, to commit treason, amongst other things.
      They got 99% support in Congress to renew the program,..but now that it occurs to them that everything needed to hang ALL of them is sitting right there, in that metadata, all of a,sudden they want to destroy the evidence?

      I understand the tendency to declare victory, and once the data is used to hang those who abused it (being HUNG, instead of hoist, on their own petard)
      Sure, burn it to the ground, and salt the earth.
      But not so fast,….

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    • Dutchman says:

      Oops!
      I READ the post, but put fingers to tapping, before brain engaged. I was MIS-reading this as the program that stores phone calls, emails and text every one.
      If this is just the program that stores what phone companies have, what # called what # when, and how long talked, thats DIFFERENT.

      I thought it was the FISA related data base used for 702 about requests.

      So, still suspiscious. Are they throwing a bone, hoping like me others will confuse the different programs?

      Is this an attempt to preserve the bigger program, or first step to shutting it all down?

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      • snellvillebob says:

        Estimates of that computer in Utah range between 3 and 300 million gigabytes for each American citizen. Your home computer might have 1000 gigabytes so the US Government has 3000-300,000 times more. You can bet they are recording the conversations.
        Every phone conversation for a lifetime recorded. Think about that.

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    • Daniel says:

      It most assuredly is unless they were ALL using HAM radio. They will want to block access to it. These are traitors and this evidence will prove it.

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  21. Streak 264 says:

    Or is this what they want us to believe?
    They are passing the buck to the people that benefit from the blackmail and extortion to end it.
    The people that could end it wont!
    They have had many chances to do so.

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  22. Ken Maritch says:

    A significant portion of voice communications now travel over the Internet (Skype, Voip, etc.)
    Would this stop the collection of that data?

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  23. Streak 264 says:

    Or is this what they want us to believe?
    They are passing the buck to the people that benefit from the blackmail and extortion to end it.
    The people that could end it wont!
    They have had many chances to do so.

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  24. trapper says:

    It’s not as if the meta data isn’t already being collected and stored by the telecom companies, available to law enforcement at any time pursuant to a valid warrant issued by a real judge. Now let’s take a close and serious look at the FISC, since it appears NO ONE has been up until now. The United States caught spies for half a century with regular criminal warrants issued by regular federal judges. Of course, we still had a Fourth Amendment then.

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  25. JD says:

    That stinks. On less guarantee that some will listen to me.

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  26. Retired USMC says:

    Wait…whats that sound?..is that the swamp circling the drain?

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  27. Shakey Leaf says:

    As long as they continue to record and save all the calls, texts etc by the FBI, etc so we can continue to weed out all their crimes.

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  28. Luminary says:

    These guys only discontinue programs once they have built a bigger better new one. I’d take it tongue in cheek.

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  29. Rose says:

    They are scared to death Trump might use the program against Demorats, like they used it against him- that’s why they want the program gone. As always demorats abuse policies to attack their political enemies, when done conservatives clean up their soiled bed linens.

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  30. convert says:

    Wow wow. Yes!!

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  31. Robert Osterhout says:

    And who has enough trust to verify it would be done?

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  32. Smarty says:

    Yeah, now that a republican is in office. I think we should use it to demonstrate liberal treason. Think of what is out there, not just Shiff leaking, but spying on judges for blackmail re rulings…. Benghazi….

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  33. Bone Fish says:

    Let me get this straight. NSA who has spent untold billions and decades stealing our personal data is suddenly concerned about breaking laws?
    Poking one eye out leaves four more who’ve had virtually unfettered access to this data all along.
    What difference at this point can it possibly make?

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  34. archie says:

    We need end-to-end encryption. It infuriates me that people on this blog are arguing for continued spying.

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  35. fractionalexponent says:

    Police states begin with surveillance. Criminals hide behind secrecy.

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  36. Carson Napier says:

    “The National Security Agency has recommended that the White House abandon a U.S. surveillance program that collects information about Americans’ phone calls and text messages, saying the logistical and legal burdens of keeping it outweigh its intelligence benefits, according to people familiar with the matter.”

    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    – Benjamin Franklin

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  37. TwoLaine says:

    This is YUGE!

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  38. BitterC says:

    I’m confused. The WSJ linked in OP is only talking about metadata. Isn’t it true the NSA collects the contents of every phone call/electronic communication?

    If NSA was getting info from phone company does that mean Ma Bell is collecting content?

    Just what, really, are they giving up?

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    • CM-TX says:

      Yes. I was given a particular document back in 2012/3 detailing via chart, each cell provider Co. & their storage practices. Most all stored user’s calls, texts, a/o any other data (photos, etc.) that was sent & received. The timeframe stored for each of these, varied by provider… from 15-30 days, to 2+ years.

      Since that time… the popularity of smartphones with increased capabilities has grown significantly. So they’ve likely only added to the type of info they’re storing. (Eg. Internet activity, social media, apps etc).

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  39. Max De says:

    Maybe the infrastructure is finally in place for a”private” for profit concern to take over this meta data collection program, a private concern that would make google or facebook look like a single celled data collection organism, Hell it may be “google” that takes the handoff of this collection program from the “nsa”. Less rules that way. Fascism much?

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  40. All hail the Mighty Sundance who once again proves that the pen is mightier than the sword.

    God bless you always, Sundance. You are truly an American Patriot whose work is helping to save our Country.

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  41. joeknuckles says:

    Are they going to shatter it into a thousand pieces so it can never be used again, or are they going to lay low with it until the heat blows over and the Marxists are back in power?

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    • joeknuckles says:

      Hey, I’m just trying to ask the right f-ing question.

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    • Daniel says:

      I think it would need to be dismantled properly with laws in place to ensure it does not operate again in any form. When the links into all telecoms are removed and the entirety of the program is declassified and enough transparency is added along with legislation which makes such gross violations of the constitution of this kind punishable by DEATH. And I’m very, very serious about this last part. It should be to the point that people who participate in such things risk their lives for doing so. Right now, the punishment will be quite minimal. The price of violating every man, woman and child of this country should be dire.

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  42. Muthaucker says:

    VPN

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  43. Perot Conservative says:

    Let me guess what comes after the program comes to an end … the accidental deletion of ALL records?

    And then what … restarting a new and improved program when a Democrat enters the White House?

    The TIMING IS NOT COINCIDENTAL.

    WHY?

    Trying to get ahead of the story?

    June, 2019 Big Ugly unfolding. “NSA database abuse? … oh, we shut that program down last month. Old story.”

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  44. mr. deacon says:

    And as the clouds clear and the sun comes out, we will continue our tour of the swamp ladies and gentlemen. If you will please, notice on your left, that as the light increases on our approach, the creatures scurry into the trees, go underground, or dive deeper into the murky waters of the marshes.

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  45. Daniel says:

    They knew the problems long ago and they know where all of the criminal charges will lead. What they DON’T want now is the Trump administration USING IT to gather evidence those who abused it. I say “keep it until we’re done with it.”

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  46. CM-TX says:

    Oops! Wonder what else has already been inadvertently deleted?🤨

    https://www.sott.net/article/374700-NSA-deletes-surveillance-data-it-had-previously-committed-to-preserving

    | The agency tells a federal judge that it is investigating and ‘sincerely regrets its failure.’

    The National Security Agency destroyed surveillance data it pledged to preserve in connection with pending lawsuits and apparently never took some of the steps it told a federal court it had taken to make sure the information wasn’t destroyed, according to recent court filings.

    Word of the NSA’s foul-up is emerging just as Congress has extended for six years the legal authority the agency uses for much of its surveillance work conducted through U.S. internet providers and tech firms. President Donald Trump signed that measure into law Friday. |

    (To be fair– this could also be a good thing. Say for cases where someone was unjustly targeted for political or personal reasons… & so data was wrongly accessed by bad gov actors looking for a crime.)

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  47. Scott Lyddon says:

    Thank you Sundance! CTH is always ahead of the curve!

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  48. alliwantissometruth says:

    While this is good news, (I hope) it’s just too bad we have to do away with an intelligence tool because of the “quality” of those who run our government

    All the democrat and RINO voters love to talk trash about President Trump, yet the corrupt, unethical and criminal scumbags they install into our government is the reason we’re not safe

    They’re the reason our country is turning into a third world shithole. They’re the reason our economy and job prospects were tanking before Trump and they’re the reason our government is a corrupt and criminal crime syndicate

    If we had men and women in government with the honor, integrity and righteousness of Donald Trump, we wouldn’t be experiencing the plethora of problems our country and the world have had for ages

    So go ahead and vote for the miscreant of your choice. Install more sweet talking, unethical and devious trash into our government. Go ahead and mock the President and praise the filth you blindly follow

    Those of you who do are ignorant, brainwashed, manipulated absolute fools, and you’re too stupid to understand you’re the ones allowing the usurpation of your own power and destinies

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  49. swamph8er says:

    This just means that there is a new agency with a better program.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Didn’t we recently read that this had been turned over to the military (DOD)? Maybe I am confusing with another database.

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