The Stunning Importance of What Devin Nunes Said Yesterday – Rosenstein Made President Trump Mueller’s Target…

Devin Nunes dropped a bombshell yesterday in an interview with Maria Bartiromo [Video Here].  Many people are overlooking the implications of his speculation; and, more importantly how Nunes statement answers just about every contradictory question people have carried.  Including:

  • Why Rosenstein introduced Mueller to President Trump the day before he was appointed as Special Counsel?
  • Why Mueller/Rosenstein are hiding the investigative origination letter?
  • Why President Trump has NOT been able to declassify documents? and
  • Why President Trump is, and will always be, hamstrung by the Mueller investigation?

In short, Devin Nunes speculated that Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein put the substantive allegations from the Fusion-GPS/Ohr/Steele Dossier into his investigative instructions (full pdf below) that he gave Robert Mueller.

If it is accurate that Rosenstein charged Robert Mueller with investigating the dossier claims; and if Nunes is accurate that the DOJ investigative target, a derivative of the dossier, is Donald Trump; well, everything starts to make a hell of a lot more sense.

If the mandate given to Robert Mueller was to specifically investigate the sitting president of the United States as an active participant, and subsequent target, for a counterintelligence operation, then DAG Rod Rosenstein -and Mueller- would have to hide that mandate from everyone and anyone.

More specifically, Rosenstein would NEVER be able to honestly discuss the Mueller probe with President Trump; because President Trump would be the primary target within the investigation.  And that changes EVERYTHING.

Now, at first blush this likelihood might sound disingenuous, but if you think about the downstream ramifications; and then contrast those ramifications against what we know has factually taken place; then things make a lot more sense.

Remember, back when this entire nonsense began, President Trump strongly said he had nothing to do with any coordination with Russia; nothing to do with collusion with Russia; and also stated he was okay with the investigation as it looked into the propriety of people within the 2016 campaign.   However, these statements were also with the assumption, held by himself as a result of -perhaps false- confirmations from James Comey, that he himself was not a target.

If Nunes speculation is accurate; and if the reporting (based on leaks) that has surfaced in the two-plus years of the investigation is accurate; then President Trump was and is the target, and none of the principles would be able to discuss the key elements specifically because of this extra-constitutional issue.

All of President Trump’s prior commentary would be based on a (2017/2018) assumption that he was not the target of the FBI probe that was eventually turned over to Mueller by Rosenstein.  If Nunes is accurate; and that origination instruction includes the specific charge to investigate the President; then all prior assumptions are invalid.


  • Rosenstein (or any DOJ/FBI official) would always be engaging with POTUS as a target.  All conversation would be clouded by that aspect. As a result, Rosenstein could never be fully honest with President Trump; or answer any question therein.
  • Any action taken by President Trump (emphasis on “any”) would therefore potentially be direct influence by the President toward an investigation that held him as a target.  He could never be permitted to approach the investigation…. yet he would never find anyone with an honest answer as to why he cannot approach the investigation.

We previously pondered this aspect when we outlined “the declassification conundrum“.  However, at the time we did not evaluate the classifications issue from a target perspective; we were evaluating the issue as if President Trump was the victim of the illegal targeting.

If you flip the paradigm and now look at what actions President Trump could take, while reconsidering that he is the likely principle target, well, two years of contradictory things start to make more sense.

The conversation, and inability of Rosenstein to be honest with POTUS, changes the dynamic of this tweet:

POTUS writing: “may have a perceived negative impact on the Russia probe” takes on a whole new meaning when you consider a conversation where Rosenstein cannot be honest with the target of the “Russia probe”…. and the target has essentially no idea.

Remember, throughout 2017 and 2018, the basic assumption -due to visible and public declarations by the DOJ- was that Mueller was conducting an investigation into Russian interference with the election; and/or other matters that may surface as an outcome of that investigation.  However, we never knew (still don’t) the actual content of the August 2017 clarification mandate that Rosenstein gave to Mueller (see below):

If accurate, we can imagine a conversation where Mueller approaches Rosenstein in July and August 2017:

Mueller: “Rod, Andrew [Weissmann] wants to go deep into this stuff his buddy Glenn Simpson gave to the team; however, it’s likely a lot of this stuff doesn’t have anything to do with Russian interference of the election.  If you want me to allow that, you’re going to have to give some specific expansion of the investigation, in writing, to look into all the stuff inside this dossier.”

Rosenstein: “OK Bob, I’ll put it in writing, but we’ve got to keep this part away from view or the targets will know we’re using an unvetted dossier, which could be portrayed as political opposition research funded by Clinton, as evidence against them…. fair enough?”



Taking Nunes speculation as accurate (after much more thought, it likely is) the redacted portion of the published mandate would be the part where President Trump is outlined as a target.

A direct target, or an indirect target, matters not.  What matters is that President Trump is A TARGET.   That would explain why Mueller requested that Rosenstein write down a much more expanded explanation for the mandate that no-one, [NO-ONE other than Judge Ellis (Manafort case)], has ever seen.

Knowing he would be entering into this foray where President Trump is the target, you can easily see why Mueller would want to meet with President Trump ahead of accepting the job.  The entire enterprise would be fraught with tenuous extra-constitutional issues. Mueller’s target is the most powerful person in the world; and the ramifications are rather stunning.

Any action taken by President Trump to declassify documents, that would show the dubious structure of the originating FBI investigation, would now be considered as: the target of the investigation undermining the investigation into himself.

Under this principle, congress requesting President Trump to declassify documents showing the unlawful nature of the investigative origination is an exercise in futility.

Congress is asking the target of the unlawful investigation to declassify evidence that was assembled against him.  The target then turns to the people who are investigating him and says please declassify….. however, the receiver (DOJ) is getting a request from their target.

Getting a declassification request from Congress is one thing; but getting a declassification request from the target of their investigation is a request they can neither fulfill nor explain their lack of fulfillment.

From the position of the DOJ:

As a counterintelligence target President Trump cannot declassify evidence, nor can he direct anyone to declassifying any evidence on his behalf.


Ultimately the only person who can correct this issue appears to be the same person who started this entire mess, Rod Rosenstein.  Which likely explains why he said he will leave the DOJ when Mueller is finished.

WASHINGTON — Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who had been overseeing the special counsel investigation, plans to step down after Robert Mueller submits his report, according to administration officials familiar with his thinking.

A source close to Rosenstein said he intends to stay on until Mueller submits a report to the Justice Department on the Russian meddling investigation. The source said that would mean Rosenstein would remain until early March. (link)

[*note* from this timeline you can see how the impeachment plans of Pelosi, Cummings, Schiff and Nadler align with Mueller (report) and Rosenstein (exit).  Nunes is trying to catch Rosenstein before he can escape the coming shitstorm he created]

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein initiated the specific investigation into President Trump by authorizing, and later clarifying, that Mueller is to proceed with the special counsel mandate that includes President Trump as a target.

….And knowing that dynamic completely changes the background review about how corrupt Andrew McCabe’s allies in the FBI and media started leveraging against Rod Rosenstein for their own benefit.

Here’s the Nunes interview:


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1,375 Responses to The Stunning Importance of What Devin Nunes Said Yesterday – Rosenstein Made President Trump Mueller’s Target…

  1. The American Patriot says:

    Now you know why declassify is a strategic and carefully timing issue


  2. cali says:

    @Sundance: The Nunes interview did not speculate but rather report what he found to be the case meaning that Mueller/Rosenstein and the rest of the three letter agencies from the beginning hamstrung our president in every which way that includes the declassification of the FISA docs. They set up that possibility as bait in hope the president would act giving them their desired outcome.
    I must say – this conspiracy on their part was well thought out that included checkmating the president in every which way despite the fact that this dossier was actually a plan designed by none other than Brennan, Nellie Ohr, Hussein, HRC and crew although giving some legitimacy via Steele to be the product of a retired intelligence asset of the UK. Steele basically validated it to be his effort investigating collusion all-the-while Nellie Ohr, Fusion GPS et al did the actual work.

    Nellie Ohr illegally accessed raw data via 702’s to get the ball rolling. Despite all their efforts they did make mistakes that now slowly unraveling.

    @Sundance may I ask you to please take a look at the twitter account of @ffe3301 = obviously a military insider independent of Q but rather Cybercommand who has tons of insider information which he posts on his twitter account.
    Last week after Pelosi, Schiff and 7 others plus their complete families attempted to be out of the country in case the attack on the white house and president Trump and his family were successful he wrote this:

    “My commander in chief is daily under threat from the inside via sedition and outside………” asking for prayers for the Trump family.
    You’ll find information helpful in many ways. Of course in the process you’ll come across others just as valuable.

    Having said that we now know that Mueller and Rosenstein et al was the insurance policy in more ways than one: handicapping the OIG investigation since many of the subjects could not co-operate or were not available to be interviewed at all.

    What they all have in common is the UK based outfit Hakluyt: Brennan, Hussein, Sussman, Fusion GPS, Halper, Hannigan and many more as you can read on the twitter account of @ffe3301. It’s all spelled out.
    There is no doubt that all of it was planned by the members of Hakluyt!

    I would urge everyone to take a look as connections and actions are made public there.

    So far we did not know that the counterpart to Admiral Rogers/NSA – UK’s Hannigan travelled to the US during 2016 to meet with Brennan. Admiral Rogers was of course the good guy ergo meeting with Brennan instead.
    There is so much more!

    It also explains the whitewash report by OIG Horowitz due to no fault of the OIG.

    I leave with some good news though: Watch the news during the next 7 days because Brennan and Comey were indicted by the grand jury!!

    Again @Sundance please take a look at the @ffe3301 twitter account that has info we have not known so far.


  3. TJ says:

    “Truths necessary for our own character must not be suppressed out of tenderness to its calumniators.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1815. ME 14:291

    Lots of people wasting your time in this thread, just keep doing what you’re doing, it’s driving them crazy and it’s entertaining to see how desperate, schizophrenic, and paranoid Trump makes people unable to cope with ambiguity.

    You mention “counterintelligence operation”, that stuck out to me because I just finished Gregg Jarrett’s book, “The Russia Hoax”, and he writes that Sessions did not have to recuse himself because the law he cited was for “criminal investigations”, NOT “counterintelligence”. Sessions never advised Trump that he would recuse himself and Sessions began that process his first day on the job.

    I remained ambiguous and refrained from disparaging Sessions on this board, because I was waiting to see if and how Trump would react to the betrayal first. “Sad”, was how Trump ambiguously described it. IMO, one of Trump’s talents is being able to not be reactionary or feign reaction when presented with or presenting, an ambiguous situation that requires, as Thomas Jefferson said, “it be advanced with delicacy”.

    So we advance with delicacy as Trump spits the necessary truths in their faces, and watch as the soaking wet political conspirators pretend it’s not raining, while holding umbrellas.

    The Russia Hoax: The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton and Frame Donald Trump

    Gregg Jarrett: Trump did the right thing by telling Jeff Sessions – You’re Fired!


  4. completelytrue says:

    Can we get some comment from the blogger, who just as in the case of Mueller, wrote that Rosenstein would haunt Phlegm ‘n Crap dreams?


  5. Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

    “I was arrested by CNN on Friday and they brought a few FBI agents with them.” ~ Exclusive interview with Roger Stone after his arraignment earlier today in DC.

    “The president has not gotten control of large swaths of his own government.” ~ R.S.

    Liked by 2 people

  6. John says:

    You are a communist sympathizer prattling in conservative venues to obfuscate facts. Like: We don’t need the FBI. MUeller is a ratfink commie rat political animal who sold out to the communists a long time ago. Rosenstein should be in prison for so many felonies it’s mind boggling. Except Bill Clinton liquidated the real Federal prosecutors when he was President and replaced them with Democrat (read: communists, as the democrats have finally unmasked) stooges. The country is so corrupt (that includes most Republicans) at this point all hope of a nonvoilent future is impossible. Sic Semper Tyrannis.


  7. JayLib says:

    “All of President Trump’s prior commentary would be based on a (2017/2018) assumption that he was not the target of the FBI probe that was eventually turned over to Mueller by Rosenstein”

    What makes you think he was unaware he was a target when Rogers told him in Nov 2016 that he was under full surveillance, Comey came to him with the dossier and tried to intimidate him Hoover style, they came after his NSA immediately, etc etc?


  8. JayLib says:

    The writer of this piece seems a bit behind on the facts.
    What would indicate Trump was “unaware” he was a target when Rogers (who had access to ALL communications of ALL individuals involved) warned him he was under surveillance in in Nov 2016, Comey came to him with the dossier and tried to intimidate him Hoover style, they came after Flynn immediately, etc etc?


  9. click52 says:

    All of the FBI, and Obama Justice and Intelligence conspirators involved, should have already been hanged for treason! The Mueller probe is no less than a coup attempt by Clinton supporters, and Bush never-Trumpers…

    Liked by 1 person

  10. Bogeyfree says:

    Earlier in the thread Sundance mentioned a move PT could make that could nullify everything?

    I wonder if that might be pardoning Assange and thus allowing him to come to the US and speak freely on what information he has on this whole frame job. Remember it is speculated that it was Seth Rich that provided WikiLeaks with the Dems info and emails.

    This thread is near its end but I sure hope Sundance comes back to his comment on the MOVE!

    Liked by 2 people

  11. finchy74 says:

    Why exactly are we not yet marching on Washington D.C. with torches and pitchforks?


  12. William Schneider says:

    Sundance, I love your beautiful mind!


  13. William Schneider says:

    Sundance, I love your beautiful mind! Your assessment does seem to make sense out of nonsense. Thanks for working this out. Now for the solution. I will read on here. I will also continue to pray for Pres. Trump.


  14. ABSOLUTELY SPOT-ON !! Pres. Trump has always been the TARGET of the CORRUPT DOJ, FBI & HIGHLY CORRUPT Robert Swan Mueller III Investigation (NOT) Russia…Never has been.
    ~The August 2017 Clarification Letter issued by Career-Bureaucrat-Burrower CORRUPT Deputy DOJ AG Rod Rosenstein to DIRTY Mueller was to COVER this Up.~
    Only U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Ellis III has seen the August letter & because Pres.Trump [IS] the TARGET of the CORRUPT DOJ Counterintelligence investigation and can’t Legally reveal it because he then would Break the Law.
    *Ain’t that right former Obama Deputy Principal WH Counsel [Kathy Ruemmler.]*


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