Occam’s Razor: Michael Flynn…

There is a great deal of suspicion and analysis surrounding the latest developments in the Mueller case, or lack thereof, against Michael Flynn.   Consider this a summary addendum to the CTH initial review.  This is the Occam’s Razor that explains some contradictions.

We cannot view these actions through the transactional prism of modern judicial proceedings as they relate to you and me. These are political struggles taking place inside the venue of the legal system. The players use the legal system to game out the optics and narrative of political battles for ideological wins and losses.

After the November 8th, 2016, election everyone within the Obama network who was associated with the surveillance operation against the Trump campaign was at risk. This is the impetus for the “Muh Russia” conspiracy narrative that was used as a mitigating shield. Within a few weeks ODNI James Clapper and CIA Director John Brennan began pushing the Russia election interference narrative in the media.

NSA Director Mike Rogers went to Trump tower on November 18th, 2016, and essentially informed the principals within the campaign they were under some forms of surveillance.

By mid-December the Obama administration was deploying a full-court-press using their media allies to promote the Russia conspiracy.  However, despite their public proclamations Clapper and Brennan were refusing to give any specifics to congress.

The hard narrative was that Russia interfered. That was the specific push from within the Obama intelligence apparatus writ large.  All IC officials, sans Mike Rogers (NSA)  had a self-interest in pushing this narrative; after all, it was the defensive mechanism to justify their illegal spying operation throughout 2016.  This was their insurance policy.

The media was battering the Trump transition team every hour of every day with questions about the Russia Narrative; and fertilizing the seeds of a collusion conspiracy.

On December 29, 2016, the IC produced, and rushed to completion, a ridiculous document to support the false-premise.  This was called the Joint Analysis Report which claimed to outline the details of Russia’s involvement hacking into targeted political data base or computer systems during the election.  We were introduced to “Grizzley Steepe” and a goofy claim of Russian hackers.

On the same day (12/29/16) Obama announced a series of sanctions against Russians who were located in Maryland.  This was Obama’s carefully constructed response to provide additional validity to the Joint Analysis Report.  After fueling the Russia conspiracy for several weeks, Obama knew this action would initiate a response from both Russia and the incoming Trump administration.

On the day the JAR was released and Obama made the announcement, President-elect Donald Trump and some of his key members were in Mar-a-Lago, Florida.  Incoming National Security Adviser Mike Flynn was on vacation in the Dominican Republic. As expected the Obama action spurred calls between Russian emissary Kislyak and Flynn.

The Obama IC were monitoring Kislyak communications and waiting for the contact.  They recorded, and later transcribed the conversation.

The media continued to follow the lead from the Obama White House and Intelligence Apparatus (writ large) and fuel the narrative that any contact with the Russians was proof of collusion of some sort.   In addition the communications team of the White House, DOJ, FBI and aggregate IC began pushing a narrative surrounding the obscure Logan Act.

The ridiculous Logan Act promotion was targeted to infer that any action taken by the Trump campaign prior to taking office was interference with the political Obama Russia action and would be evidence of collusion; that was the plan.  DOJ Deputy AG Sally Yates was in charge of pushing the Logan Act narrative to the media.

The first two weeks of January 2017 was now a merging of two necessary narratives. (1) Russian interference; and (2) the Logan Act; deployed against any entity who would counter the Russia narrative story.   The media were running this dual narrative 24/7 against the incoming Trump officials; demanding repeated answers to questions that were framed around this story-line.

On January 3rd, 2017, the new congressional year began.  SSCI Vice-Chair Dianne Feinstein abdicated her position within the Gang-of-Eight, and turned over the reigns to Senator Mark Warner.  Warner was now the vice-chair of the SSCI; and a Go8 member.

With the Flynn Dec. 29, 2016, transcript in hand the DOJ/FBI began aiding the Logan Act narrative with Obama intelligence officials supporting the Russia Conspiracy claims and decrying anyone who would interfere or counter the official U.S. position.

On January 14th, 2017, the content of the communication between Flynn and Kislyak was leaked to the Washington Post by an unknown entity; likely the leak came from the FBI’s counterintelligence operation and/or the DOJ national security division – the same units previously carrying out the spying operation.

The FBI CoIntel group (Strzok, McCabe etc.), and the DOJ-NSD group (Yates, Carlin, McCord etc.) were the largest stakeholders in the execution of the insurance policy phase because they were the epicenter of spygate.

The leak of the Flynn conversation with Kislyak was critical because the DOJ/FBI were formulating a political case.  This was not about legality per se’, this effort was about establishing the framework for an investigation, based on a false premise, that would protect the DOJ and FBI.  The investigation they needed was the Mueller special counsel to protect them.

The leak led to Vice-President Mike Pence being hammered on January 15th, 2017, during a CBS Face the Nation interview about Trump campaign officials in contact with Russians.  Pence was exceptionally unprepared to answer the questions and allowed the media to blend questions about campaign contacts with necessary transition team contacts.

Sunday January 15th, 2017 – VP-elect Mike Pence appears on Face The Nation. [Transcript Here]

JOHN DICKERSON: But there’s a distinction between that feeling about the press and legitimate inquiry, as you say, that the Senate Intelligence Committee is doing. Just to button up one question, did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?

MIKE PENCE: Of course not. And I think to suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy. (link)

*NOTE* Notice the incoming administration was under a false-narrative siege created by the media.  At the time (early Jan, 2017) ‘any contact’ with Russians was evidence of meddling/election-collusion with Russians.  VP-elect Mike Pence poorly answered the question from Dickerson from a very defensive position.

That toxic media environment and Mike Pence speaking poorly during a Face The Nation interview was the issue. Once Vice-President Mike Pence made the statement that Flynn had no contact with anyone from Russia etc. any contradictory statement from Flynn would make Pence appear compromised; so Flynn had to stick to Pence’s false point without clarification.  Flynn was interviewed by the FBI on January 24th, nine days after Pence made his comments.

Tuesday January 24th – Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn was interviewed at the WH by the FBI.

During this ambush interview, disguised as a meeting, FBI Agent Peter Strzok and FBI Agent Joe Pientka were contrasting Vice-President-elect Pence’s statements to CBS against the known action of Mike Flynn.  [Flynn has three options: either (1) Flynn contradicts Pence, or (2) he tells a lie; or (3) Flynn explains Pence misspoke, those were his options.]

How Flynn responded to the line of inquiry and explained/reconciled the difference between Pence’s statement on Jan 15th, and what actually took place, is why the FBI ended up with the conclusion that Flynn wasn’t lying.

I have long believed it is within this dynamic where the FD-302 reports, written by Strzok and Pientka, then became the subject of political manipulation by Asst. FBI Director Andrew McCabe.

Stay with me and think about this carefully.

The FBI knew the content of the Flynn call with Sergey Kislyak because they were listening in.  The FBI were intercepting those communications.  So when Pence said no-one had any contact on January 15th, the FBI crew IMMEDIATELY knew they had a bombshell issue to exploit.

We see the evidence of the FBI knowing they had an issue to exploit, and being very nervous about doing it, in the messages between Lisa Page and FBI Agent Peter Strzok who would end up doing the questioning of Flynn.

The day before the Flynn interview:

January 23, 2017, the day before the Flynn interview, Lisa Page says: “I can feel my heart beating harder, I’m so stressed about all the ways THIS has the potential to go fully off the rails.” Weird!

♦Strzok replies: “I know. I just talked with John, we’re getting together as soon as I get in to finish that write up for Andy (MCCABE) this morning.” Strzok agrees with Page about being stressed that “THIS” could go off the rails… (Strzok’s meeting w Flynn the next day)

Why would Page & Strzok be stressed about “THIS” potentially going off the rails?  The answer is simple: they knew the content of the phone call between Mike Flynn and Sergey Kislyak because they were listening in, and they were about to exploit the Pence statement to CBS.  That’s why they were so nervous.  They were planning and plotting with Andrew McCabe about how they were going to exploit the phone-tap.

I’m not convinced that Flynn lied.  There’s a good possibility Flynn was honest but his honesty contradicted Pence’s national statement on CBS; and he likely tried to dance through a needle without being overly critical of VP-elect Pence misspeaking.   Remember, the alternative, if Flynn is brutally honest, is for the media to run with a narrative about Vice-President Pence is now a national liar in the media.

That’s why the issue of how the FBI interviewers write the 302 summary of the interview becomes such an important facet.   We see that dynamic again playing out in the messages between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok with Andrew McCabe providing the guidance.

February 14th, 2017, text messages – here is a note about the FBI reports filed from the Flynn interview.  Peter Strzok asks Lisa Page if FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is OK with his report: “Also, is Andy good with F-302?”

Lisa Page replies: “Launch on F 302”.

That would be Flynn’s 302.  The FBI interpretation of the Flynn interview, is now the way the FBI can control the interview content…. and, specifically because the only recourse Flynn would have to contradict that FBI interpretation would be to compromise the Vice President… Flynn cannot challenge the structure of the narrative within the 302 outline.

See what happened?

Does it all make sense now?

Do you see why there are reports of the second FBI agent, Joe Pientka, saying he didn’t believe Flynn lied to them in the interview.  Likely because Flynn didn’t…. but the McCabe crew jumped on the opportunity to frame a lose/lose.  Either Flynn accepts a version of the 302 report where he lied; or, Flynn has to take the position that Vice President Mike Pence lied to the nation in the CBS Face The Nation interview.

See how that went down?

That’s also the likely reason why FBI Agent Joe Pietka has been kept quiet.

FUBAR !!  All of it.

WATCH – The first three minutes are important :

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Wednesday January 25th –  The Department of Justice, National Security Division, (at this timeframe Mary McCord was head of the DOJ-NSD) – received a detailed readout from the FBI agents who had interviewed Flynn. Yates said she felt “it was important to get this information to the White House as quickly as possible.”

Thursday January 26th – (morning) Yates called McGahn first thing that morning to tell him she had “a very sensitive matter” that had to be discussed face to face. McGahn agreed to meet with Yates later that afternoon.

Thursday January 26th – (afternoonSally Yates traveled to the White House along with a senior member of the DOJ’s National Security Division, “who was overseeing the matter”.  This was Yates’ first meeting with McGahn in his office, which also acts as a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

Yates said she began their meeting by laying out the media accounts and media statements made by Vice President Mike Pence and other high-ranking White House officials about General Flynn’s activity “that we knew not to be the truth.

According to Sally Yates testimony, she and ???? reportedly presented all the information to McGahn so the White House could take action that they deemed appropriate.  When asked by McGahn if Flynn should be fired, Yates answered, “that really wasn’t our call.”

Yates also said her decision to notify the White House counsel had been discussed “at great length.”  According to her testimony: “Certainly leading up to our notification on the 26th, it was a topic of a whole lot of discussion in DOJ and with other members of the intel community.”

Friday January 27th – (morning)  White House Counsel Don McGahn called Yates in the morning and asked if she could come back to his office.

Friday January 27th – (late afternoon) According to her testimony, Sally Yates returned to the White House late that afternoon.  One of McGahn’s topics discussed was whether Flynn could be prosecuted for his conduct.

Specifically, according to Yates, one of the questions *McGahn asked Yates: “Why does it matter to DOJ if one White House official lies to another?” She explained that it “was a whole lot more than that,” and reviewed the same issues outlined the prior day.

*If you consider that McGahn was trying to thread the needle between Mike Pence’s poorly worded response to CBS, and Michael Flynn’s questioning that came after Pence’s statement. ie. McGahn could see the no-win situation Flynn was in during that inquisition.

McGahn then expressed his concern that taking any action might interfere with the FBI investigation of Flynn, and Yates said it wouldn’t: “It wouldn’t really be fair of us to tell you this and then expect you to sit on your hands,” Yates claims to have told McGahn.

McGahn asked if he could look at the underlying evidence of Flynn’s conduct, and she said they would work with the FBI over the weekend and “get back with him on Monday morning.”

Friday January 27th, 2017 – (evening) In what appears to be only a few hours later, President Trump is having dinner with FBI Director James Comey where President Trump asked if he was under investigation.

Now, accepting the politicization of the entire Russian Conspiracy Narrative that was leading the headlines for the two months prior to this dinner; and knowing moments earlier your Chief White House counsel informs you that two political operatives (Yates and ????) from the DOJ were providing classified intelligence reports about General Flynn; and knowing the prior months (Nov/Dec/Jan) were fraught with leaks from intelligence reports identical to those discussed;  wouldn’t you perhaps think that any action you take could be utilized to add fuel to this Russian narrative?  And/Or be used by these same leak facilitators to make something seem like something it is not?

Think about it.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller, in later effort to help the scheme team cover-up the entire surveillance operation, charged Flynn (full pdf) with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions.

According to the plea, while being questioned by FBI agents on January 24, 2017, Flynn also lied when he claimed he could not recall a subsequent conversation with Kislyak, in which the ambassador told Flynn that the Putin regime had “chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of [Flynn’s] request.”

Furthermore, a week before the sanctions were imposed, Flynn had also spoken to Kislyak, asking the ambassador to delay or defeat a vote on a pending United Nations resolution.

The criminal complaint charges Flynn lied to the FBI by denying both that he’d made this request and that he’d spoken afterward with Kislyak about Russia’s response to it.

There was nothing wrong with the incoming national-security adviser’s having meetings with foreign counterparts or discussing such matters as the sanctions in those meetings.

However, lying to the FBI -or McCabe structuring the FBI position of the 302’s to give the appearance of Flynn lying- is the process crime that led to Flynn’s admissions.

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651 Responses to Occam’s Razor: Michael Flynn…

  1. Cetera says:

    So Flynn didn’t lie. The FBI knew he didn’t lie. But they framed the narrative and the write-up to make it look like Flynn lied, from a certain point of view.

    I stand by my initial assessment of the FBI from almost two years ago now. Every single member of the FBI, at every level, right down to the janitorial staff, must be considered suspect as traitors and enemy operatives. The FBI needs to be disbanded. All agents should have all clearances revoked, and none should be employable in any government role ever again. They should also not be welcome in any polite society.

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    • Tall Texan says:

      Absolutely the truth! I am so tired of hearing about the precious and virtuous rank and file of the FIB. How many of them of has chosen the proper and virtuous path? They are all Priestapping it – cashing their overly generous checks for 20 years so they can get to their even more ridiculously generous pension checks.

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      • Truenative says:

        I’ve always and always will support law enforcement. I’m very suspicious now. The FBI rank and file folks had better realize that much of us that have supported them, cannot and will not support law enforcement once that agency becomes the enforcement wing of a political party. Right now, if my neighbor was a nice family guy, but was an FBI agent, I sure as hell wouldn’t invite him to my BBQ.

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        • FrankieZee says:

          Any law enforcement officer is just like any other employee. They take their orders from their superiors, who are elected officials, the same way an ordinary citizen takes his orders from his bosses. If they both don’t obey their bosses they are canned.

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          • Deb says:

            A fish rots from the head down.

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            • Teddy Blanchard says:

              Flynn been riding dirty with all that lobbying. Another dirt ball who tried to use Trump. Mueller is taking down Trump’s mistakes

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          • tav144 says:

            Except that FBI agents take an oath.

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          • Truenative says:

            I Disagree. Any law enforcement officer is not like just any employee. They take an oath i to their citizens, and country. Traditionally that line between politicians and law endorsement is at the least to appear unbreached. That thin blue line is not only intended to protect the public from the every day criminal, it protects us from a tyrannical government.

            The Constitution is such a great document because it created a government, and gave protections to the citizens of that government at the same time. Now we know which side of the Constitution the FBI is interested in protecting, and which it’s not.

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    • Stab, the unstoppable hero says:

      At this point my only hope is that General Flynn will tell the citizens of this country everything that happened to him, and why.

      I’m tired of guessing. Tired of listening to others guess as well.

      Just want to hear the unvarnished truth from someone who was in the front row.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      The FBI will not investigate themselves or the DOJ and the DOH will not prosecute themselves or the FIB. The honorable rank and file need to revolt or lose their jobs.

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    • Jederman says:

      Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. Wrays happy to glad efforts and other superficial window dressing only reinforces the perception that nothing has, or will, change.

      It’s also unfortunate that on any given day, any given agent will do what he/she is told IOT remain employed and to advance in their “careers” regardless of ethical concerns.

      That organization and the individual agents who failed to speak up are dead to most Americans now. They are so far removed from mainstream, normal Americans it can’t be communicated. And they appear to be ok with that, as long as they remain employed and eligible for a pension someday.

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      • bluebongo says:

        You have no idea how true your last paragraph is. It’s like a communicable disease, you catch it from breathing stale marbled air.

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        • Linus in W.PA. says:

          Great point.

          Think about the ‘leverage’ held over lower level employees who truly want to speak up. A world of hurt, stander, and lost careers all of which is fully controllable by those who need dimed out.

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    • Sunshine says:

      Anti-American Obama was in office for eight full years. Think of all the FBI compliant personnel that were hired under his reign.

      Something very simple: the recent Las Vegas mass shooting. The FBI handled the case and results were Zero and bungled. Is that normal?

      Everything about the FBI stinks. Sorry but true.

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      • Deplorable_Infidel says:

        “Think of all the FBI compliant personnel that were hired under his reign.”

        The problem started under Mr. Mueller. Here is a copy and paste from my archives:
        – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
        JasonF says:
        April 26, 2018 at 8:08 am

        In the above comments, people have cited the article “Robert Mueller: Unmasked“, by Congressman Louie Gohmert. The article includes a section that partially explains what Mueller did, when he was the FBI Director, to make the FBI systemically more corrupt and incompetent. That section is especially important; it is excerpted below.

        ______________________________________________________________
        MUELLER’S FIVE YEAR UP-OR-OUT POLICY

        In federal law enforcement, it takes a new federal agent or supervisor about five years or so after arriving at a newly assigned office to gain the trust and respect of local law officers. That trust and respect is absolutely critical to doing the best job possible. Yet new FBI Director Robert Mueller came up with a new personnel policy that would rid the FBI of thousands of years of its most invaluable experience.

        In a nutshell, after an FBI employee was in any type of supervisory position for five years, he or she had to either come to Washington to sit at a desk or get out of the FBI. In the myriad of FBI offices around the country, most agents love what they do in actively enforcing the law. They have families involved in the community; their kids enjoy their schools; and they do not want to move to the high cost of living in Washington, DC, and especially not to an inside desk job.

        What occurred around the country was that agents in charge of their local offices got out of the FBI and did something more lucrative. Though they really wanted to stay in, they were not allowed to do so if they were not moving to DC. Agents told me that it was not unusual for the Special Agent in Charge of a field office to have well over 20 years of experience before the policy change. Under Mueller’s policy that changed to new Special Agents in Charge having five to ten years of experience when they took over.

        If the FBI Director wanted nothing but “yes” men and women around the country working for him, this was a great policy. Newer agents are more likely to unquestioningly salute the FBI Mecca in Washington, and the Director, and never boldly offer a suggestion to fix a bad idea and Mueller had plenty of them. Whether it was wasting millions of dollars on a software boondoggle or questionable personnel preferences, agents tell me Mueller did not want to hear from more experienced people voicing their concerns about his ideas or policies.

        An NPR report December 13, 2007, entitled, “FBI’S ‘Five-And-Out’ Transfer Policy Draws Criticism” dealt with the Mueller controversial policy:

        “From the beginning of this year (2007) until the end of September (2007), 576 agents found themselves in the five-and-out pool. Less than half of them — just 286 — opted to go to headquarters; 150 decided to take a pay cut and a lesser job to stay put; 135 retired; and five resigned outright.”

        In the period of nine months accounted for in this report, the FBI ran off a massive amount of absolutely priceless law enforcement experience vested in 140 invaluable agents. For the vast part, those are the agents who have seen the mistakes, learned lessons, could advise newer agents on unseen pitfalls of investigations and pursuit of justice. So many of these had at least 20-30 years of experience or more. The lessons learned by such seasoned agents were lost as the agents carried it with them when they left.

        In the 2007 NPR report, the FBI Agents Association indicated that the Five-Year-Up-or-Out program hobbles field offices and takes relationships forged there for granted. In other words, it was a terrible idea.

        The incalculable experience loss damages the FBI by eliminating those in the field in a position to write to or meet with the FBI Director to advise him against some of the mounting judgment errors on his part which were listed in the NPR article. But this was not the only damage done.

        If an FBI Director has inappropriate personal vengeance in mind or holds an inappropriate prejudice such as those that infamously motivated Director J. Edgar Hoover, then the older, wiser, experienced agents were not around with the confidence to question or guide the Director away from potential misjudgment. I also cannot help but wonder if Mueller had not run off the more experienced agents, would they have been able to advise against and stop the kind of abuses and corruption being unearthed right now that occurred during the Obama administration.

        Rather than admit that his Five Year Up or Out Policy was a mistake, Mueller eventually changed the policy to a Seven Year Up or Out Program. .

        Thus, Mueller deliberately made the FBI more pliable and corruptible.

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      • Teddy Blanchard says:

        Whatever happened to the Florida midterms mail bomber with the van???

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    • fleporeblog says:

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    • The Heretic says:

      Throw the CIA into the disbanding deal, and then I agree. These people are all criminals.

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  2. Shadrach says:

    I completely agree with your analysis. Can you imagine being Gen. Flynn and hearing what Pence said? And understanding completely the ramifications? That’s why I donated to Flynn’s legal fund.

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    • Sentient says:

      It’s too bad Flynn didn’t listen more carefully to Dickerson’s question to Pence: “did any advisor…have contact with the Russians WHO WERE TRYING TO MEDDLE…?” Flynn could have answered that he had no reason to think Kislyak had been trying to meddle in the US election, so he could have admitted talking to Kislyak without contradicting Pence.

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      • Shadrach says:

        Not in those days. Russia conspiracy theories were at their peak….it was insane. Here’s a link to the actual video. Listen to the part between 9 minutes and 10:45 minutes. I think it’s actually even more relevant to your comment than the part of the transcript that SD mentioned above.

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        • Shadrach says:

          Oh good grief. That’s the wrong video…I apologize.
          I’m going to try again from their webpage but put a space in the url so I don’t clutter up the comment section.

          http s://youtu.be/U2jkHX2sXAU

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      • Judith says:

        Exactly, Sentient. There was no reason to lie. Mike Flynn showed poor judgement.

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        • G. Combs says:

          We have ZERO reason to think General Flynn actually lied.

          Remember:
          IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL SET-UP by Peter Strzok et al and it was Strzok’s NOTES (302) that SAID General Flynn lied.

          Pientka, the other agent said Flynn DID NOT LIE.

          There is no recording of the conversation and Flynn did not have a lawyer.

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          • WSB says:

            And the 302 (s) are in question. They are apparently written in pencil, and if Strzok rewrote it/them, only Flynn and Pientke would know that they were manipulated after the interview. Only Pientke would be able to verify, if he even saw them prior to Strzok acting afterward.

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        • GB Bari says:

          You have no direct evidence to support that accusation re. Gen. Flynn. Further, you are basing it upon statements by individuals who we now know for certain DID lie and commit far worse crimes in trying to frame the President-elect, later President, and members of his campaign and transition team in order to subvert and compromise the entire Donald Trump presidency. That is called an attempted coup.

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          • Judith says:

            You’re both right on those points and I stand corrected. I had also questioned Flynn’s firing when it happened. It didn’t make sense to me then.

            Why were these points not clarified at that time instead of the “lied to Pence” narrative that carried the day? This is just one more reason I question Pence’s loyalty to POTUS. He could and should have nipped that right in the bud.

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            • GB Bari says:

              I honestly don’t think that Pence was prepared for the media feeding frenzy that was ongoing after the election. This “palace intrigue” was new ground; uncharted waters for a nice gentleman from Indiana. He was likely most interested in keeping his own name untarnished.

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  3. snarkybeach says:

    Thank you Sundance for your in-depth analysis of of the Flynn “matter.”

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    • Mark L. says:

      And a peek at this whole cabal that is frantically trying to take down our POTUS and at the same time attempting to save their own skins.

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      • Jederman says:

        Among all the good things in this country scheisse stick obama trashed or destroyed, the PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER now appears to be the worst.

        His actions trashed one of the major things that separates us from third world hell holes. He should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

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        • G. Combs says:

          YES!

          That is what has galled me from the beginning. They did not even wait until President Trump was in office before trying to take him down using the entire might of our government. It is beyond sickening.

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  4. USMC1833 says:

    I wonder if any of the BIG players in this scandal ever check in here to read Sundances reporting .

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  5. Beth02 says:

    At last, I finally understand this whole Russia Russia Russia thing. Thank you so much for clearing it up. I’ve hung in there for two years as you laid it all out – but it wasn’t until now that I understand the simplicity of all this. I’m now confident that once Mueller closes his books and no matter what he reports, the Trump Administration will lay this all out. The American People do not believe the Russia Collusion story (polling shows this). I think the public at large will believe the truth when it is properly laid out. Finally, I am optimistic. Thank you Sundance !

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    • Bob says:

      Optimistic, surely you’re kidding! The only person with power that’s defending DT is himself. To date, there’s no evidence of anyone else who’s got his back (wingman). It’s probably one of the reasons he hasn’t released the treasure trove of redacted/classified intel (the other reason, beauracracy people wouldn’t allow it). That he’s been able to accomplish all that he has is extraordinary, unfortunately, it’ll only get far far worse now. Wiith the Dems leading the house and willing to expand the Mueller investigation via the now FULL ON “Emoluments suit”. Mueller expansion into his finances will result in tens if not hundreds more indictments going into 2020 and beyond! Just saying!

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      • BebeTarget says:

        I tend to agree, Bob. The Mueller investigation needs to go on to provide cover so ‘sensitive’ information can never be revealed because of ‘an ongoing investigation.’ Every day we see people in the government not being held accountable for their treachery, behavior for which all of us would be prosecuted. They go on with their lives probably laughing at us because they are getting away with it.
        Our POTUS’ enduring strength against all these odds is a miracle.

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      • RatedProduct says:

        “The only person with power that’s defending DT is himself.”
        Oh I think the President has people. Think Military Intelligence types. People who know how to be real quiet and work in the shadows. People that no one else knows about but who are very adept at gathering information. People that don’t necessarily ‘make plans’ but people who are always ready to react with new ideas. I think that is how he has accomplished what he has, all while being bombarded by the deep state.
        ‘Address this now! We’ll deal with that when the time is right.’

        “Dems leading the house…”
        I think this is going to be amusing. Two years of sound and fury signifying nothing. I don’t think they are going to accomplish squat. All this talk of subpoenas? Eric Holder told congress to stuff it, why shouldn’t President Trump do the same.

        “Mueller expansion into his finances…”
        Mueller knows Trumps finances are a third rail issue. The Dems will shut him down first. Without some real solid evidence, that probably doesn’t exist, they won’t want a precedent set they may someday have to face.

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        • Judith says:

          “..finances are a third rail issue.” I agree. That Uranium 1 deal and the billions parked in the Clinton foundation immediately come to mind. And weren’t there also billions missing from that defense department audit?

          These money laundering operations reach way beyond the Clintons. Wayyyyy beyond. Those are the Deep Staters that POTUS must contend with. The Wizard behind the curtain could very easily sacrifice a Clinton and run that trail stone cold.

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      • Deb says:

        The only person in power anyone trusts is PDJT. Politicians have lost all credibility, same with the media.

        It’s a David and Goliath story. You know how that ends, right?

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  6. Dan Bongino had another good podcast about this today. It was all a set up to get Flynn.

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  7. mazziflol says:

    “…everyone within the Obama network who was associated with the surveillance operation against the Trump campaign was at risk.”

    At risk for what? They are all protected. We see the lawlessness, without punishment. They walk among us as free men and women, to do as they please.

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    • Kate says:

      Mazziflol, not only protected but paid for one way or another and because they have gotten away with their treasoness behavior for many years now they have become brazen in their actions. I hope it will all come crashing down on their heads and soon.

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    • william elbel says:

      The thing I did not like about Bongino today was him over and over saying Mueller will invoke lying by several as THE cause of impeding the investigation, BUT all the lying charges were based on comparing Flynn with transcripts. Lying about something in those transcripts could in no way impede the “investigation”

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      • steph_gray says:

        I don’t think Dan was at all implying that such a tactic by Mueller would actually work. I think he was just attempting to guess what the tactic would be. Guessing and calling it out ahead of time could help argue against it.

        But on its face, the idea that all of these charges of “lying to the FBI” were legitimate is laughable to begin with – especially as you start to pile one upon the other and compare. That’s partly why I enjoy listening to Dan, because he nails it when he calls them “mattress tag violations.”

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        • G. Combs says:

          “mattress tag violations” WITHOUT a mattress or a tag.

          There IS NO REAL EVIDENCE!!! It is all just hearsay evidence WITHOUT recordings to back it up. AND it is KNOWN bad actors making the accusations the ‘crimes’ are based on.

          At this point, if I was on a jury I would not believe an FBI agent if he told me the sun rises in the east!

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          • RatedProduct says:

            No real evidence? Of course there’s evidence.
            ‘Bob could you please send me a PDF of the Flynn/Kislyak transcript. Send over the Strozk/Pientka 302’s as well. As long as you’re digging into files send everything on the Ohr interviews also. Thanks’
            Fat chance I suppose.

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  8. BocephusRex says:

    Feeling fatalistic at this point – nothing will ever change.

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    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      So Pence sat in an interview with the MSM and was “completely” unprepared.

      A Vice President sitting down for an interview and cannot / does not have the ability to side step questions or say: “I’ll look into it”

      I have always wondered why he is “never” on any of the Sunday shows.

      And, then knowingly lied about Gen Flynn lying to him, there by firing him when Gen Flynn actually saved Pence’s reputation.

      Never liked Pence, never will shows a lack of character on many occasions.
      I’ll provide more later.

      Gen Flynn has basically gone bankrupt, lost his job, his house, spent enormous of money on lawyers………for Pence……Pfffft….

      Enough said…

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      • wyntre says:

        We are in sync today, Gunny. See my post below. The Pence being “unprepared” doesn’t pass the smell test. I don’t know how much he was in on it but, at the very least, he was completely “prepared” NOT to offer any assistance to President Trump.

        And he continues in that role today, IMO.

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      • railer says:

        Pence is pure Swamp. He’s not very bright, imo, and thus doesn’t qualify as Deep State. The Sea Island cabal likely gave Trump a list of VP’s they’d approve of in trade for dropping their effort to derail Trump’s nomination at the convention. Trump chose Pence, and he may very well have been the best of a bad Swamp list. I doubt Pence would have been involved with the Muh Russia conspirators.

        The Trump White House did not recognize the full threat of this conspiracy and the required countermeasures, one of which should have been White House counsel guiding the public interactions of WH personnel, including Pence. McGahn should have prepared a one-pager of talking points and distributed it to everybody, so their statements were bland enough not to draw attention. The Trump WH’s sin was being TOO forthcoming, I suspect.

        But the Muh Russia conspiracy would have engaged with or without a Pence/Flynn disconnect. These Deep State people were desperate and on a mission.

        Good deconstruction and write up by our host here, and it does lay bare how focused these evil doers were on all this.

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      • Parker Longbaugh says:

        MAGA = Draining the Swamp
        Leaving .gov with a security clearance and lobbying for a foreign government currently at odds with the POTUS your working for destroys this message.

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      • Burn him (Pence) – let Flynn tell the truth to everyone. Pence can be replaced on the ticket in 2020…..as part of draining the swamp.

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      • Curry Worsham says:

        I thought his answer was fine.
        Strong, accurate denial. Period.
        He was answering a question about Trump campaign (pre 11/8) collusion with Russia.
        “Of course not.”
        Flynn’s conversation with Kislyak was almost 2 months AFTER the election.
        Whether Flynn lied or not, Pence was never in danger.

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  9. ggmppv says:

    I don’t believe Flynn “lied” to help Pence. Why would he ? Pence getting a few minor facts incorrect is no big deal (even thought the media would make it out to be). Why would Pence risk jail for something so minor. I think most likely Flynn didn’t lie at all, just got some details slightly incorrect, and Herr Muller used this to threaten going after his son to try to get Flynn to compose.

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    • lemmus1 says:

      …you did raise one issue I’ve not seen SD cover …may well have done so before my time …that of threats to prosecute Flynn’s son

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      • Judith says:

        Threats to prosecute Flynn’s son? Well then I take it back: Flynn DID have a reason to lie. He was threatened, just like Mueller now threatens Manafort, Corsi, etc.. Tell us what we want to hear ..OR ELSE!

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  10. TeaForAll says:

    They have destroyed a Man who has served his country with Honor and dignity. I feel Flynn took the fall for VP Pence after his interview with Dickerson/FTN. Obama is so embedded with the DS.. No Justice for all who truly love this country. DISTGUSTING BEYOND WORDS……………

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  11. I really do have to question the sanity of why people like Pence and other transition team members were going on these hatch job interviews especially when it’s pretty clear Trump was aware that he was actively getting spied on.

    Great piece though Sundance I pray when Mueller finally gets axed everything will get released because if it doesn’t it pretty much legitimizes this in the future….

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    • Mark L. says:

      Axed, interesting choice of words.

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    • In hindsight I guess you could say the same thing about Flynn as there was no reason to do the FBI interview either.

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      • wyntre says:

        WHAT!

        An FBI interview isn’t comparable to a Sunday Talking Head interview.

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      • starfcker says:

        From what I’ve heard, Flynn’s FBI interview was an ambush, not something scheduled. Three things. First, the only thing that has me feeling really good about this, besides the facts being what they are, are the President’s increasingly aggressive tweets. That’s not somebody who’s intimidated. That’s somebody who’s putting the fear of God in somebody else. Second, I am horrified at how many Americans buy into some part of the Russia conspiracy. Third, Mueller is starting to act like a man who’s trying to limit his extensive liabilities at the moment. Falsely putting someone in prison it’s probably not going to end well for him and he knows it. It’s starting to look like getting rid of Sessions was the key to this whole thing. What a rotten little man. Not a peep out of him since he was dismissed, either. The show isn’t as fun without Rosie in charge, is it Mueller? And I love the President’s game face today at the funeral. It’s on. I can feel it.

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      • bflyjesusgrl says:

        FBI led Flynn to believe the meeting was about something else, then ambushed him. He didn’t know that he needed nor have time to call a lawyer. He probably was completely honest, having nothing to hide. Strzok/Page/McCabe changed the 302. Never, Ever, talk to the FBI without a lawyer!!
        Remember McCabe “ First we F*** Flynn, then we F*** Trump? This is how he did both.
        Flynn resigned and evidence of Russian collusion was manufactured against POTUS.

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      • WSB says:

        The meeting Flynn thought he was having was a transition team coordination meeting.

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  12. bonami says:

    Sundance, I am in agreement with the above comments; thank you for clarifying this Rubik cube of a conspiracy.

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  13. DJ says:

    Whenever I see a photo of Sally Yates, there is a particular scene from “Game of Thrones” that leaps into my mind. I would never wish the same fate for her – jail would be nice, though…

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  14. Zimbalistjunior says:

    Once again Sundance, you have proven yourself to be a national treasure. Amazing clear-eyed work.
    Of course, the Pence answer you referenced is completely benign. The questioner asks if there were contact with Russians WHO WERE MEDDLING in election. That presupposes that there was any such meddling, in a transparently insulting manner like ‘when did you start beating your wife’.

    This is all absurd. So absurd that one Understands the motivation behind some people believe the Q narrative: for surely nothing this blatantly fraudulent could continue.

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  15. Ospreyzone says:

    FUBAR does not begin to describe it. Our Justice System, and indeed our legislature, lie mortally wounded and we are but spectators to these horrific events. George Washington and John Adams warned us of this potential long ago. Our founders were brilliant men of deep thought and reason, and we would have been wise to have listened more carefully to them.

    “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence. It is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master.” – George Washington

    “We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the governance of any other.” – John Adams

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      ” Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the governance of any other.” – John Adams”

      Well, we see the result of it now, with the increasing secularization of society. Every generation is further away from the truth and believing “the lie”. Teens and twenty-somethings touting that they are for socialism, yet when asked they have no idea what it REALLY is!.

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    • formerdem says:

      No one but could Trump could have hung on through all of this … AND performed – cheerfully, amusingly, and as no one ever before…. Incredible that the Hag is still sulking and still deliberately invites comparisons. full on loco

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  16. mikebrezzze says:

    What’s really sickening is to think about how many more innocent people the FBI have framed over the years! No doubt they have at how adapt they were in framing an American hero General Flynn! If he can be framed any one of us peons are dead ducks!

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  17. ForGodandCountry says:

    1. Nothing Flynn did warrants what Team Mueller is doing to him. And it is incredible that, so far, the DOJ is getting away with being able to charge Flynn with these crimes but not Hillary, Huma Abidin, Louis Lerner, FOR THE EXACT SAME CRIMES.
    2. Flynn has the goods on Mueller, not the other way around.
    3. All of this is going to backfire on Mueller, the Clintons, Obama, and corrupticrats of the cabal.
    4. All in #3 are fighting for their lives (to stay out of prison) and are no longer seeking to take down PDJT.

    The Mueller SC is nothing more than an “investigation” that is being used to cover up Obama administration corruption and crime while allowing the protection of “I can’t comment on that due to on-going investigation(s)” to guilty parties who could be subpoenaed to testify.

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    • wyntre says:

      Could you please inform the Mocking Bird Media of #4 because they don’t seem to have gotten the memo.

      They are still All In.

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      • steph_gray says:

        Oh… they know..

        They’re just continuing on skating on the thin and cracking ice because the shore behind them is on fire.

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        • Judith says:

          I’m not so sure the Enemedia is completely in sync with the DC swamp. Remember there is a Deep State somewhere out there, with a plan to rise up from the ashes of our Constitutional Republic.

          DC and Enemedia alike work their tails off for these shadowy people and they are repaid handsomely for their efforts. If POTUS gets too close for comfort to THEM, I’m sure the Enemedia will sacrifice a few DC swamp rats, so the BIG FISH can move off to deeper waters and live to see another day.

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    • Zorro says:

      “2. Flynn has the goods on Mueller, not the other way around.”

      He might just have the goods on Mueller but also might be silent in an arrangement to escape prison time and further harassment of his family.

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  18. CharterOakie says:

    May the guilty parties face justice.

    LTG Flynn (R) is not one of them.

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  19. emet says:

    The FBI/DOJ gangsters failed as law enforcement officials. Then they failed as criminals, unable to take out President Trump. And for providing protection for the Clinton criminal enterprises, they got very little. So again, inept criminals. Only Preistap became wealthy. Why would a guy with millions of dollars want to work for the FBI for $150,000 a year?

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “Only Preistap became wealthy. Why would a guy with millions of dollars want to work for the FBI for $150,000 a year?”

      Well maybe the family he married into would want him to do something productive and worthwhile with his life, instead of hanging around the house playing video games and sitting in front of computer simulators.

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      • Mike says:

        His wife is a big wig at the largest private detective outfit in DC, with offices in other countries. Her “company” is for hire to political and other crooks.

        Ya think having her husband being the head of FBI Counterintelligence could be “helpful” to her business and their bottom line. Of course he would NEVER use his position to access information, or give advice to his wife based on information he learned/ accessed from his position. That would be unethical, and probably illegal.

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      • Screaming eagle says:

        Here’s why…..Most of them are worth millions already (Comey, Mueller, Yates, Rod-Rosey, Blowhard Brennan). Its the power to rule and command others, control events, that drives them, like all despots.

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        • MustangBlues says:

          ”Most of them are worth millions already (Comey, Mueller, Yates, Rod-Rosey, Blowhard Brennan). Its the power to rule and command others”’

          Wealth accrued by selling influence/position , violates the emoulements clause of self enrichment by office–note this is what they are trying to attach President Trump with!!

          How can they not know they live in glasses houses??
          This investigation thread might get a tit for tat going among the politicos. Nice.

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      • Zorro says:

        Preistap’s wife Sabrina Menschel had direct FBI connections, probably with Herr Mueller himself.

        “After graduating from Harvard Business School, Sabina served as a Special Advisor in the Directorate of Intelligence at the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s headquarters in Washington, DC. In that capacity, she worked with senior management to refine and strengthen the FBI’s intelligence gathering capabilities and implement its intelligence transformation efforts in response to the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission.”

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    • Republicanvet91 says:

      Pillow talk with his wife.

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  20. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “the day before the Flynn interview, Lisa Page says: “I can feel my heart beating harder, I’m so stressed about all the ways THIS has the potential to go fully off the rails.” Weird!”

    I wonder if Lisa Page contemplated “go fully off the rails” with everything coming out in public like it has, despite intense obfuscation from the Main Sewer Media pressitutes and distractions from the Mueller (hi bob!) witch hunt.

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    • Zorro says:

      Maybe “off the rails” would be Flynn saying “wait a minute here, wtf is going on with these questions, this interview is over”.

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  21. Uncompliant says:

    Conclusion: Never talk to the FBI.

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  22. Hindsight is 20/20 but he had 4th option – he could have declined interview until a later date after he got some advice . Fact he didn’t was naive perhaps on his part ( he was a 4 star general and used to face value discussions perhaps?) But did it really matter ? They had him on his Turkish lobbying cold and he didn’t have the benefit of the “Podesta Exemption” to the registered agent lobby law ( which is – you can do whatever the hell you want if your a powerful Democratic operative )

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    • All Too Much says:

      I am reading it and encourage others to do the same.
      Its a Solomon piece describing email recently turned over to Nunes.

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      • GB Bari says:

        It is a fair recap of everything we already know from reading Sundance plus the bit about Nunes requesting the FBI emails re. internal discussion about using the Steel Dossier as evidence for the FISA warrant.

        I did not see any comments underneath of Solomons article – is The Shill not permitting comments under Opinion articles?

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    • WSB says:

      From John Solomon’s article:

      “We now know the FBI used an article from Yahoo News as independent corroboration for the Steele dossier when, in fact, Steele had talked to the news outlet.

      If the FBI knew Steele had that media contact before it submitted the article, it likely would be guilty of circular intelligence reporting, a forbidden tactic in which two pieces of evidence are portrayed as independent corroboration when, in fact, they originated from the same source.

      These issues are why the FBI email chain, kept from most members of Congress for the past two years, suddenly landed on the declassification list.”

      [snip]

      “Congressional investigators also have growing evidence that some evidence inserted into the fourth and final application for the FISA — a document signed by current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein — was suspect.”

      Was Rosenstein belatedly trying to cover up the coverup?

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  23. This is a fascinating time-line. That is obvious is how the Obama DOJ/FBI ‘hit team’ worked with media to create a situation where at least one Trump administration could make a mistake and create a cascade of events. I can honestly say this makes me doubt Pence as VP and certainly as President. The right answer would have been, ‘If someone is talking to the Russians on the transition team, they have good reasons for doing so.’

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  24. covfefe999 says:

    I have to do a slow clap for Sally Yates’ magnificent performance, making it look like Flynn did something really really horrible but of course because of the sensitivity of the matter, the wrong setting, blah blah blah, she could not explain at the hearing. But she sure made a great effort to make it appear that Flynn was completely compromised and she was trying to save the world!
    Bravo, Sally Yates. lol

    It’s so weird watching that now, after learning all that we know. Because at the time of that hearing we did not know much. That was May 2017. We didn’t even know about the Strzok/Page texts until like November or December, right?

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    • GB Bari says:

      I will never again look at another Democrat government official testifying before congressional committees without thinking that they are lying through their teeth despite looking sober, somber, and professionally serious.

      Liars, actors, con artists…all of them. And IMO some RINOs and NeverTrump Republicans are the very same, while a few good conservative Republicans are several notches up the scale from the others.

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  25. Mike says:

    Well done SD as usual.

    For lying to the FBI to be crime, the lie has to impede, or obstruct a criminal investigation in a significant way.
    What crime was being investigated when Strzok and Pientka contacted Flynn in the WH, this lame Logan act BS?

    I would love to see the criminal complaint that explains exactly how Flynn’s “lies” impeded or obstructed a criminal investigation, and what crime was being investigated.

    Also, again in Mueller’s Sentencing Agreement they use NEWS STORIES (that the FBI/DOJ planted) as their excuse to contact and “investigate” Flynn to start with.

    This is like me as an un-named source telling a reporter Joe Blow is a drug dealer. Then Using the resulting news story claiming Joe Blow is a drug dealer to open a drug investigation up on Joe Blow. Then when I talk to Joe, he tells me something that is not true, so I get him for lying.

    This whole thing just stinks!

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  26. Right to reply says:

    The whole thing makes me sick, but the sickest thing of all, is most Americans don’t have any interest in this disgusting miscarriage of “justice”!

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    • steph_gray says:

      A huge number of Americans don’t know it happened. Yet.

      It does not follow that they would have no interest if they did know. It’s a pretty juicy story and an amazing thriller.

      Keep spreading the news, as they say in New York.

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  27. Stephen Paul says:

    They are all scumbags for setting up Flynn . They were mad because they didn’t win the election after all the hard work they did trying to rig it. they had to put on a clown show to justify letting a Criminal off the hook so she could continue to run for president. It’s so maddening to see what these people did for political purposes and in the meantime screw the rest of us who Voted for Trump and were very happy with everything he planned on doing and was doing.
    They should have had a huge RICO case and taken down the whole lot. top to bottom that Sally Yates should be held accountable ! she makes me sick with her entitled attitude. The country is so much better off that these criminals are no longer in any positions of power. Comey,Clapper and Brennan should also be charged for their part in this criminal conspiracy.

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  28. wyntre says:

    I have NEVER trusted Pence. I wonder if he was in on the Flynn Flam. I saw him giving a speech that POTUS should have given earlier this week, at the beginning of the GHWB extravaganza, in the National Rotunda I think, and he looked as if he thought of himself as POTUS.

    And the onlookers treated him as if he were the president. He’s a member of the same club as the rest of the swamp and the swamp creatures loved it.

    I just can’t shake the sense that Pence is a plant and has not served President Trump honestly and truthfully.

    But that’s just me..

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  29. Zippy says:

    Dan Bongino just pointed out in his podcast today what I also think the Mueller report will say – there was Russian collusion but we can’t prove it because of all of these (not said – unrelated to collusion) liars from the Trump administration who were very peripherally associated (not said – by our set-ups of them) with Russians and/or wikileaks resulting in a politically damaging report in a left-wing media propagandized idiocracy like ours.

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    • Jenevive says:

      But even as Alan Dershowitz had pointed out collusion is not
      A CRIME so …..so even if they were colluding with every other country
      there is no crime there.

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      • steph_gray says:

        Thank you. A very good response.

        That Mulehead report is going to be such an obvious tissue of insanity and falsity that it will collapse the instant there’s a drop of rain.

        Yes, the far left will eat it up. While they then have their rolling bout of indigestion, MAGA will kick into even higher gear.

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  30. lemmus1 says:

    1st …my initial reaction is to drop Pence like a hot potato from the ’20 ticket …he flubbed the interview and thus gave the conspirators the narrative they needed …yes, they would have found another sooner or later …but the timing of this turned a minor embarrassment into a conflagration that has drowned this administration …Pence is not POTUS material capable of advancing the MAGA agenda once Trump is gone

    2nd …thank you SD …so much confusion/doubts about the Flynn incident now makes sense …if anyone has a link to Flynn’s defense fund, I will make use of it immediately

    3rd …I’d really like to hear SD’s views on the NSA surveillance program’s obvious illegal abuse over an extended period of time by numerous players in this farce …can it coexist with a free society in the face of the known abuse, much less what we have to surmise? Can we live without in the face of the continuing threats?

    4th …need to spend some time going back over Rand Paul’s public statements on the dangers inherent in abuse of the NSA

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    • Doug says:

      You assume Pence knew about the Flynn/Kysliak call. I don’t think he did although look at the question.

      “‘did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?”

      How was Pence OR Flynn to know if Kysliak was “meddling”? It’s a stupid question.

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    • hoghead says:

      “…into a conflagration that has drowned this administration…”

      I dunno. Maybe POTUS just works well under pressure. Can you imagine any president of the last fifty years accomplishing half of what this man has done? And that while under relentless howling/screeching/fist shaking/threats of destruction by his political enemies [some of those of his own party], several of his predecessors, special counsels, alphabet agencies, nooze punks and all the ships at sea.

      What might he do in the job with an ongoing backdrop of Peace? I’d like to find out.

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      • lemmus1 says:

        …so would we all …could have been the start of a golden age …but we’ll likely never know …the Dems smell blood and are going to continue the witch hunt

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        • steph_gray says:

          If they continue it it will be to no avail whatsoever.

          Why so much high dudgeon over what the left or the media does or thinks? They are simply becoming irrelevant. We need to treat them that way 24/7.

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          • lemmus1 says:

            …I’m not really concerned about Mueller …I firmly believe he is in this up to his neck and will eventually do time with the rest if Trump outlasts them

            …but the witch hunt will go on …my biggest concern at the moment is not DC but the new AG in New York …a virulent anti-Trumper who vowed to go after his family and finances

            …I ran a business …I know that it’s always a toss-up on whats actually legal and what’s not when it comes to complying with endless fed/irs regulations …this year with this auditor you’re ok, next year with different lawyer/auditor not so good …and any new and hostile player can go back and find a “crime” any time they please …with the size and nature of Trump’s business, it’s almost impossible that they won’t be able to create something …especially if Cohen is composing

            …and his family is his weak point …which is not irrelevant imnsho

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    • Jane in Florida says:

      Link to Flynn’s defense fund:
      https://mikeflynndefensefund.org/

      For mailed contributions, please send your check or money order, payable to “Michael T. Flynn Legal Defense Fund,” to the following address:
      Barbara Redgate, Trustee
      PO Box 711533
      San Diego, CA 92171

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  31. Gary Lacey says:

    Clear as a bell, sundance.

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  32. CopperTop says:

    Seems to me that everything SD outlines is true. Isn’t it ALSO possible that it’s true that for the insurance plan to work they wanted the whole 45 administration OUT including Pence?

    Face the nation was a ‘get Pence’ operation so that when they ‘got Trump’ in short order Pence would want to step down too. Flynn took a bullet for the whole country…knew exactly what was going on after he heard the questions from the FBI. in my honest opinion.

    Pence’s support for Ptrump if it wavered ever…probably fell in line after realizing he would be in the wood chipper as well do to the animus from HRC supporters within the deep state.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “Flynn took a bullet for the whole country…knew exactly what was going on after he heard the questions from the FBI.”

      Perhaps someday he will receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom, along with Admiral Mike Rogers. IMO both of them are far more deserving of it than VP Biden.

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    • starfcker says:

      Don’t think for one minute John Dickerson was not fed those questions. He was part of the setup for sure. Don’t ever forget that. Unwittingly or not it doesn’t matter. Remember when the little midget from ABC started asking about birth control at a debate one time. Nobody knew why. And people were surprised when Donna Buffalo was feeding Hillary debate questions.

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  33. recoverydotgod says:

    IMO, all that matters now that Mueller has recommended sentencing on Flynn, is “Mueller, who is the leaker?”. Mueller should not be allowed to recommend sentence on Flynn without punishing the leaker.

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  34. Deplorable_Infidel says:

    “WATCH – The first three minutes are important :”

    So why hasn’t someone been charged with leaking the conversation between Ge. Flynn and Amb. Kislyak to the Washington [com]Post yet?

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  35. 1000 Clowns says:

    So who does Trump pick for VP in 2020?

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  36. Bassplayer says:

    Please… Flynn was a spy master. A General who ran the DIA for many years. Every move was intentional and preventable. Ask yourself why he would intentionally set himself up as bait and then reread the sentencing doc.

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    • Mike says:

      Flynn had no reason to distrust the FBI. He probably had been working with them for years in the military and in intel. In reality the only reason they did him was to get Trump. If he had been working in the HRC administration nothing would have happened to him.

      Up until about a year and a half ago I would not have believe the FBI could be this corrupt. I am still SHOCKED, but you would have to be willfully blind not to see it.

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  37. Doug says:

    But “Launch the F 302” text message came AFTER the Yates visit to McGahn.

    So how could McCabe have “altered” the 302’s when Yates went to see McGahn in late January, PRIOR TO “launch the 302’s”?????

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  38. Michelle says:

    I don’t see how anyone would even consider that Pence’s reply on face the nation had anything to do with transition team conversations. He was answering that of course the campaign didn’t have contact with Russians who were interfering. How could Flynn’s transition team conversation with an ambassador be considered a compaign contact with Russians who were accused of hacking?

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  39. Bogeyfree says:

    So why can’t Whitaker conduct an audit to see if a wiretap was ordered or conducted against Flynn or is that already part of the FISA 2 hop BS.

    And while Whitaker is at it how about auditing the prior 8 years of surveillance and unmasking of Americans under Obama’s, specifically looking at PT people, Rupublican Congressmen/Senators, including Paul Ryan and Judges, including CJ Roberts!

    How funny would it be if the audit showed that all the FISA judges were spied on too! IMO the name of the game was get and collect as much dirt as possible.

    Let the American people see just how many Americans were illegally spied on during these past 8 years and that if information got tucked away into “someone’s” super master database.

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  40. Ono says:

    Great take on the State of the Union Sundance!

    Actually brilliant!

    A two horse race with the owner of each horse being one in the same…

    Can’t loose… that much!…unless a long shot comes in,

    So you spend your earnings on DQ’ing the stallion that beat the odds in the next race t

    Haha Donkeys cant run!

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  41. bertdilbert says:

    We could have saved a lot of time with a replay of the text: “First we f**k Flynn, then we f**k Trump.”

    They set out to frame him from the beginning.

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    • steph_gray says:

      And before they knew it they were reduced to attempting to do same to PapaD, and finally to Jerome Corsi who told them where they could go.

      Not exactly what I would call a successful escalation!

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  42. tomidlewood says:

    The interpretation of events, as laid out by Sundance, seems quite compelling. It’s a bit involved to follow, but the overall plan of the insurance policy checking POTUS maneuvering seems clear as day.

    The white hats have been on defense for 2 years, and the Deplorables are starving for a bit of payback. With the Flynn charade in the open, what is the next, most logical play to counter the deep state’s treachery? Waiting for Mueller to end voluntarily doesn’t seem likely. I’m really hoping that the gloves will come off, and we’ll begin to see a lengthy string of unmasking’s and prosecutions, but I’m not going to pretend that will happen simply because the world is a nice place. Huber? Horowitz? Whittaker? Will anybody emerge to dispense some justice and restore the rule of law in our nation? That would be nice to contemplate.

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  43. 🍺Gunny66 says:

    OK….let’s go..

    Pence

    1. Put in charge of the transition team…almost all he recommended are gone.

    2. Put in charge of pushing bills through Congress. How did that work out?

    3. Put in charge of eliminating voter fraud. This was during the Georgia special election. How did that work out?

    4. Pence was in South America waving happily behind Tom Donahue…Donahue gave a blistering speech against the President. Pence said Nothing.

    5. During the taped Bush/pu88y gate tape scandal, Pence said nothing to defend the President .

    6. Pence fired Gen Flynn for supposed lying to him. Now the article by Sundance explains this.

    7. Now he is in charge of Space Exploration….has he said anything about that?

    8. Pence was placed as Vice President by the RNC.. This is a tradition for decades, like the DNC picks the VP. Then Preibus is picked as Chief of Staff. How did that work out?

    9. Pence’s personal physician ravaged the Presidents nominee, Jackson, forcing him to drop out. Pence said nothing about it.

    10. Pence visited the Border during the Caravan arrival at the border. He spoke to the press saying: “Don’t worry, we will let them all in.”

    North Korea hit out at US Vice President Mike Pence calling him “ignorant and stupid” as the reclusive state made a renewed threat to cancel an upcoming summit between the two countries.

    Choe Son Hui, vice-minister of Foreign Affairs, released a statement via the state-run KCNA news agency lambasting a recent media interview Pence gave to Fox News.

    “I cannot suppress my surprise at such ignorant and stupid remarks gushing out from the mouth of the US vice-president,” she said in the statement.

    In his interview with Fox, Mr Pence warned North Korean leader Kim Jong-un that it would be a “great mistake” to try to play Washington ahead of a planned summit with President Donald Trump next month in Singapore.

    He also said North Korea could end up like Libya, whose former leader Muammar Gaddafi was killed in an uprising years after giving up atomic weapons, “if Kim Jong-un doesn’t make a deal”.

    Pence…I predict he will not be on the ticket with our President if he runs in 2020…

    He’ll have Personal reasons…

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  44. Stick says:

    This is first comment I’ve made in over a year. I got tired of being called every name in the book for saying Sessions was nothing but a feckless, weak, incompetent, AG who was in way over his head. But I digress. Couple of points, first off, Sundance has to be one of the greatest investigative jurnos there are out there. Not quiet so much when he gets in that black hat, white hat garbage, but as far as just digging out the facts, and putting the story together, he is second to none. Second, is that this falls squarely on Trumps shoulders. I thank God every day he is president, but I’m not at all impressed with his qualities as a man right now. To sit back and watch Flyn be destroyed like this over a 2 year period is beyond me. Evidently Trump is real good at demanding loyalty and not giving any in return. Sometimes you have to do things to maintain your personal integrity, consequences be dammed. How anyone can let this happen to his subordinates is beyond me, and Trump needs to be harshly criticized for it. Manafort rots in jail for it. I don’t care if he is a semi dishonest business man. Are there any that are in his business, and I’ll allow that he probably is one of the more honest ones. The thousands of common soldiers who died on the battlefield who went back for their buddy has 1000 times more courage than Trump. I’m not even naming all the associates of Trump who were set up and are paying the consequences for it. Just because they supported him. I don’t like Cohen, but can you blame him for what he is doing. He’s been watching Trump just sit their, while his friends are being hung out to dry, and he’s just saying it ain’t happing to me. Before anybody on here criticizes me you need to ask how you would feel if you were in Paul manoforts shoes right now. I’m gonna digress again, but right now, Illegal immigration is project to reach all time highs. Trump better get off his but, fire Nelson, and actually do something, consequences be dammed. Stop screaming about the political consequences, we just got our butts kicked and lost the house. There is a football saying that goes, you are what your record is. People need to hold Trump accountable, for his own good. It does no good for the amount of man worship to Trump, that happens on this website. People better start calling him out, before he goes and makes a bunch of bad deals with the demonrats.

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    • Doug says:

      Interesting. The entire MSM, Democrat party, and NeverTrumpers are trying desperately to impeach Trump for obstruction of justice for firing Jimmy the Weasel and asking Jimmy to “go easy” on Flynn who is “a good guy” and you want him to have done what more exactly???

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    • Marygrace Powers says:

      “It’s not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the person who is in the arena. Whose face is marred with dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly … who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly …” Theodore Roosevelt

      I ignore the armchair quarterback critics! Their opinions don’t count….jmho

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    • 🍺Gunny66 says:

      Stick,

      First of all, I see you have neglected to read Sundance’s post on posting guidelines…

      Especially the use of paragraphs’

      Secondly, this event with Flynn is not over yet…..

      Anyway…….

      Bless Your Heart….

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    • lemmus1 says:

      …what a silly wabbit you are
      …Trump is President with a tenuous one-seat majority in the Senate and that’s counting six anti-Trump RINOs …his support in the House is riven with RINOs and Never-Trumpers …ergo he is not only NOT a dictator but he can do only what Congress lets him do …which is play with judges, trade, and the economy

      …on every other front, he is legally constrained by the Constitution’s enumerated powers …we would all love to see him pull out that magic wand and make that pesky SC go away but it isn’t going to happen just yet …all the pieces are not yet on the board …so you, just like us, will have to wait …whether you like waiting is immaterial …you don’t control the timeline …neither does Trump

      …take a number

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    • Curry Worsham says:

      If I were in Manafort’s shoes, I’d feel like a crook.
      Btw, I think you’re on the wrong website.

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  45. Judiciary says:

    I recall last year’s headlines where Pence said Flynn lied to him about talking with the Russian. This claim would have gotten Pence off the hook for his denials to CBS.

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  46. Bogeyfree says:

    Any chance Mike Rodgers comes back as PT’s permanent AG or his New FBI Director?

    Now don’t you think that might make a few folks to become extremely nervous?

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  47. john edward lorenz says:

    Sundance, your work is incomparable. However as enlightened as you write, it doesn’t change the fact that the elites, who violated the social compact, are little more than authoritarian alinskite globalists who can give a shit about America. There will be no responsibility or accountability for an attempted coup. Amazing.

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    • WSB says:

      In order to turn the ship around, first you and your entire crew must understand you are going in the wrong direction.

      We are at the point of fighting the mutineers to turn the wheel.

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  48. Screaming eagle says:

    Sundance – Solid and Logical summary. Now what does DJT do? ….I think he starts letting things out strategically, where it supports the facts that there was undeniably a coup. Be patient, don’t dump it all at once. Do a Mueller number back on them, stretch it out. let them lose sleep.

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