Byron York Ponders The Flynn Puzzle Question…

In a curious article tonight Byron York presents an odd dynamic surrounding the Michael Flynn “lie narrative.”   York points out that in March 2017, James Comey told a closed session of congress that he didn’t think Michael Flynn lied to FBI investigators; yet in December 2017, Flynn accepted a plea therein.  York is puzzled – SEE HERE

As we previously shared, the answer to the question(s) presented within the Flynn article are really not that difficult to figure out.

There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with the President-Elect’s Transition Team talking to any foreign government, or any official within any foreign government. Ever. Period.  Actually, that’s exactly what transition teams are supposed to do; they reach out and receive information from foreign government officials as the starting point to communication with a new administration.

Many people have asked the question why would Michael Flynn have lied about talking to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the first place?

It’s a great question.

The Occam’s Razor answer is the toxic political environment that existed in January 2017, where the administration was being hammered by a tsunami of media narratives and political opposition claiming that any scintilla of contact with anything Russian meant that Putin and Trump were “colluding BFF’s”,…. and Flynn didn’t want to fuel that nonsense.

That toxic media environment and Mike Pence speaking poorly during a Face The Nation interview was the issue.  Once Vice-President Mike Pence made the statement that Flynn had no contact with anyone from Russia etc. any contradictory statement from Flynn would make Pence appear compromised; so Flynn had to stick to Pence’s false point without clarification.

Reminder:  •Sunday January 15th, 2017 – VP-elect Mike Pence appears on Face The Nation. [Transcript Here]

JOHN DICKERSON: But there’s a distinction between that feeling about the press and legitimate inquiry, as you say, that the Senate Intelligence Committee is doing. Just to button up one question, did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?

MIKE PENCE: Of course not. And I think to suggest that is to give credence to some of these bizarre rumors that have swirled around the candidacy. (link)

*NOTE* Notice the incoming administration was under a false siege created by entirely false narratives.  At the time (early Jan, 2017) ‘any contact’ with Russians was evidence of meddling/election-collusion with Russians.  VP-elect Mike Pence poorly answered the question from Dickerson from a very defensive position.

Mike Flynn had, as his rightful role in the transition demanded, actually discussed various political issues with lots of foreign representatives including Russians.  Mike Pence said there were no contacts with campaign advisers, yet never clarified the transition team would have done so as needed.

It was VP Pence who created the problem for General Mike Flynn.

Friday January 20th – Inauguration

Tuesday January 24th – Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn was interviewed at the WH by the FBI.

During this ambush interview, disguised as a meeting, FBI Agent Peter Strzok and [unknown official] were contrasting Vice-President-elect Pence’s statements to CBS against the known action of Mike Flynn.  [Flynn has two options: either (1) Flynn contradicts Pence, or (2) he tells a lie, those were his options.]

Wednesday January 25th –  The Department of Justice, National Security Division, (at this timeframe Mary McCord was head of the DOJ-NSD) – received a detailed readout from the FBI agents who had interviewed Flynn. Yates said she felt “it was important to get this information to the White House as quickly as possible.”

Thursday January 26th – (morning) Yates called McGahn first thing that morning to tell him she had “a very sensitive matter” that had to be discussed face to face. McGahn agreed to meet with Yates later that afternoon.

Thursday January 26th – (afternoonSally Yates traveled to the White House along with a senior member of the DOJ’s National Security Division, Mary McCord, who was overseeing the matter.  This was Yates’ first meeting with McGahn in his office, which also acts as a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

Yates said she began their meeting by laying out the media accounts and media statements made by Vice President Mike Pence and other high-ranking White House officials about General Flynn’s activity “that we knew not to be the truth.

According to Sally Yates testimony, she and Mary McCord reportedly presented all the information to McGahn so the White House could take action that they deemed appropriate.  When asked by McGahn if Flynn should be fired, Yates answered, “that really wasn’t our call.”

Yates also said her decision to notify the White House counsel had been discussed “at great length.”  According to her testimony: “Certainly leading up to our notification on the 26th, it was a topic of a whole lot of discussion in DOJ and with other members of the intel community.”

Friday January 27th – (morning)  White House Counsel Don McGahn called Yates in the morning and asked if she could come back to his office.

Friday January 27th – (late afternoon) According to her testimony, Sally Yates returned to the White House late that afternoon.  One of McGahn’s topics discussed was whether Flynn could be prosecuted for his conduct.

Specifically, according to Yates, one of the questions *McGahn asked Yates: “Why does it matter to DOJ if one White House official lies to another?” She explained that it “was a whole lot more than that,” and reviewed the same issues outlined the prior day.

*If you consider that McGahn was trying to thread the needle between Mike Pence’s poorly worded response to CBS, and Michael Flynn’s questioning that came after Pence’s statement. ie. McGahn could see the no-win situation Flynn was in during that inquisition.

McGahn then expressed his concern that taking any action might interfere with the FBI investigation of Flynn, and Yates said it wouldn’t: “It wouldn’t really be fair of us to tell you this and then expect you to sit on your hands,” Yates claims to have told McGahn.

McGahn asked if he could look at the underlying evidence of Flynn’s conduct, and she said they would work with the FBI over the weekend and “get back with him on Monday morning.”

Friday January 27th, 2017 – (evening) In what appears to be only a few hours later, President Trump is having dinner with FBI Director James Comey where President Trump asked if he was under investigation.

Now, accepting the politicization of the entire Russian Conspiracy Narrative that was leading the headlines for the two months prior to this dinner; and knowing moments earlier your Chief White House counsel informs you that two political operatives (Yates and McCord) from the DOJ were providing classified intelligence reports about General Flynn; and knowing the prior months (Nov/Dec/Jan) were fraught with leaks from intelligence reports identical to those discussed;  wouldn’t you perhaps think that any action you take could be utilized to add fuel to this Russian narrative?  And/Or be used by these same leak facilitators to make something seem like something it is not?

Think about it.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller later charged Flynn (full pdf below) with falsely telling FBI agents that he did not ask the ambassador “to refrain from escalating the situation” in response to the sanctions.

According to the plea, while being questioned by FBI agents on January 24, 2017, Flynn also lied when he claimed he could not recall a subsequent conversation with Kislyak, in which the ambassador told Flynn that the Putin regime had “chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of [Flynn’s] request.”

Furthermore, a week before the sanctions were imposed, Flynn had also spoken to Kislyak, asking the ambassador to delay or defeat a vote on a pending United Nations resolution.

The criminal complaint charges Flynn lied to the FBI by denying both that he’d made this request and that he’d spoken afterward with Kislyak about Russia’s response to it.

There was nothing wrong with the incoming national-security adviser’s having meetings with foreign counterparts or discussing such matters as the sanctions in those meetings.

However, lying to the FBI is the process crime that has led to Flynn’s admissions herein:

As we have shared from the beginning – this is all about DC politics, not judicial crimes in the same vein as everyone else would be charged.

You cannot view action through the transactional prism of modern judicial proceedings as they relate to you and me. These are political struggles taking place inside the venue of the legal system. The players use the legal system to game out the optics and narrative of political battles for ideological wins and losses.

In essence, this is about leverage for political use and the “small group” weaponized intelligence, investigations and the legal system as part of their larger “insurance policy” against a Trump administration.  James Comey’s friend Benjamin Wittes explained exactly what was needed in October 2016 – SEE HERE.

Nothing about the 2017 Russian dynamic was factually encompassing President Trump; it was/is all about optics, narratives and political leverage. However, everything about this dynamic was/is factually encompassing the existential threat that outsider Trump represented to the established way of life in the DC Swamp.

All of the participants were key stakeholders in keeping President Trump from draining the swamp-life that affords them power, influence and indulgence.  If we drop the legal prism and review everything from the perspective of gaining political leverage against an incoming administration it all makes sense.

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336 Responses to Byron York Ponders The Flynn Puzzle Question…

  1. FTA: John Dickerson’s question:…” did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?”
    VP Pence answered the specific question accurately, to his knowledge. So far as anyone (including Flynn) in the Pres Trump team knew, the people with whom Flynn spoke were not trying to meddle in the election. I suspect the FBI contorted and distorted words used to entrap Flynn, who I believe is not an attorney and thus not used to watching how words are used or abused. The FBI has a long and storied history in their use of 302’s to “record” (distort) the words of people they interview. Any good defense attorney would tell their client, do not talk with the FBI. The 302’s are often a reflection of what the agents want to hear, not what was actually and accurately spoken. It is human nature in listening where personal biases are concerned. However, once it is on a 302, it becomes the official record, contrary to what the question and response to the question actually was.

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    • GK says:

      Exactly. Dickerson’s question was loaded and Pence’ answer was correct, just should have been elaborated on.

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      • cozette says:

        Don’t you find it ODD that Pence, an experienced politician and smooth talker, would give such a DUMB answer to someone obviously trying to trap President Trump? Pence is the sole reason General Flynn had to be let go. His answer was astoundingly stupid and he HAD to know that it was at the time he gave it. Ever since this interview I’ve had ZERO trust in Pence. I sincerely hope people keep their minds open about him so they don’t shut down if/when bad news starts coming out about his role in the attempted coup. BTW I pray for him just as I do for Comey, Mueller and Hillary.

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      • Spongebob says:

        The question is poorly worded and could mean,

        1/ Any contact with any Russian national (because Russia was trying to meedle in the Election.

        OR

        2/ Any contact with a Russians that were specifically involved in meedling in the election (Contact with non nefarious Russians is okay).

        To answer number 1 is easy. To answer number 2 Pence and Flynn would need to know if the Russians they were talking to were involved in the election meedling.

        So Pence and Flynn could still be in agreement and we will probably see how these weasely worded Question was used to create a false charge against Flynn.

        Specifically since Flynn may have his own recorded notes of the meeting with Strozk.

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    • Bud Klatsch says:

      Disapointedly, the FBI has a storied history of lying and framing innocent citizens in their pursuit of abusing their responsibilities. A trend more in line with gestapo and stasi orgs.

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      • Poetic jusstice would be for Trump to put Flynn as head of the NAS when Mike Rogers retires.

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      • ladypenquin says:

        Gestapo came to my mind as well as I’ve read some of these question and answer sessions. I understand law enforcement has abrasive, aggressive tactics, but never quite caught it as being like this.

        Wouldn’t talk to the FBI without a lawyer, and I KNOW I’m innocent! 🙂 It’s a scary enforcement model that’s for sure.

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    • beach lover says:

      Isn’t there a thread that stated the 302’s were altered? I’m sure knowing what they now know, not only would Pence, and Flynn have handled their questions differently, but Sessions (to Franken) as well. They were all set up. Pence by the media (coordinated?) and Flynn and Sessions I think by FBI. I also think they had wire taps of conversations on all of them… then set out to trap them anyway possible. Can Flynn take back his admission? Can Mueller dismiss the charge since the case is still pending?

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      • pursang says:

        Altering or revising 302s has been done before by the FBI, according to Jack Cashill’s book on the Flight 800 investigation. Which, by the way, while an FBI juristictional investigation, was heavily managed by the CIA, again, per the book.

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      • Lizzyp says:

        I’m still trying to backtrack to find where I read that of the 2 agents interviewing Flynn, only Strzok said he was lying. I’m sure I read that but I can’t remember where and I’m not seeing any reference to it. Which either means I’d be bringing some outside info to the conversation or I dreamed it.

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        • G. Combs says:

          I also read here at the Tree House that it was only Strzok who said Flynn was lying. The other agent said Flynn’s testimony tallied with the phone call.

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      • mnwild1961 says:

        Mueller has already agreed to delay the sentencing of Flynn. There has to be an important reason behind that.

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      • cozette says:

        Why do you think Pence was set up? It was an EASY question and his answer was jaw droppingly dumb. He is too smooth not to know what he was doing. He boxed Trump and his team in and he had to know it due to his long experience in politics and on the radio. His answer is why General Flynn had to be fired. The Swamp succeeded in taking away one of Trumps strongest allies. Thanks Pence. Job well done. Hope it was worth it.

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    • JoAnn Leichliter says:

      Yes, and the 302s are made after the facg and are not notes made during the session. FBI agents do not record or take notes during questioning–which I have always thought suspect.

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      • ladypenquin says:

        Didn’t know that. I would think everything should be recorded, so that neither side can fool with the truth/facts regarding what took place. Having the FBI’s 302s be taken as truth and then we find out it’s corrupted data…that’s dangerous.

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        • Michael J. Machnica says:

          It looks like we need to put recording cameras on our FBI agents now. If the average patrolman has to wear one to a stop to the he said/she said controversies, then so should the “special agents”.
          BTW – who came up with that term? I never heard of a “regular agent”. Nothing against all the honorable ones out there. You get kind of skeptical when a law enforcement official colludes with the prosecution (ADA) by lying under oath to enhance their case, just to insure a conviction.
          In my case, it was lying about the probable cause to pull me over for a traffic stop.

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      • JBTX says:

        Actually, most FBI agents do take written notes of interviews. They become part of the file and may be retrieved. It is true that most interviews are not taped or video recorded. This is an old policy which has been met with questions by other law enforcement partners and prosecutors over the years. If an agent takes no notes during an interview, a report (302) would be subject only to the recollection of the agent. In many cases, two agents participate and must sign the 302, agreeing on the content. If notes were taken, they should be in the file. If no notes were taken, it was a very poor agent that conducted the interview.

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    • CaptainNonno says:

      I agree. The question referred to meddling in the election (prior to Nov 8th). Transition period would be outside that and contact is normal prep for incoming admin so Pence wouldn’t even have thought to include the concept in his reply. Don’t know why this distinction wasn’t made unless this was the desired outcome.

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      • spren says:

        Exactly. The campaign was over and they were in transition. Can’t say I’m a big fan of Pence. I’m sure he’s a good guy, but that constant Stepford Wife look on his face always makes me uneasy. Too polished, and too poiiticianly for my taste.

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    • Orville R. Bacher says:

      Flynn was 1 payment collected on the insurance policy. To collect much more on this insurance Fraud is not going to be so easy.

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    • sturmudgeon says:

      Outstanding discussions here Treepers… many Thanks!

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    • DAVID ABRAMS says:

      This is not rocket science. Many men would take a plea when a child is threatened. Given limited resources to fight is becomes the obvious choice..

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  2. Shadrach says:

    I agree with this article. One thing people here are forgetting is that Sessions had to recuse because of his communications with Kisylak (the ambassador). So in the context of the day, Kisylak was “one of the Russians trying to meddle in the election process.” We are forgetting the absolute insanity of the news media about Russia back then.

    Anything else about Flynn aside, it is my opinion that
    1) he wasn’t expecting the FBI to be interviewing him on this (there were other benign possibilities for the FBI coming at the time) and was thus unprepared.
    2) He’s a quick-thinking guy. He knew the likely outcome if he contradicted Pence’s statement (FBI was known to be leaking to the media) would be Pence “outed as concealing Russian contacts” by the insane media. That would lead to the collapse of the Trump presidency.
    3) Knowing this, he covered for Pence’s misstatement by lying to the FBI. The sword would then be directed at him, and not at Pence.

    Everyone I know who knew or worked for Flynn said he’s a straight arrow. Navysquid upthread says what everyone I know says. Flynn’s an honorable man, and he’s the kind of guy who would do what he did: Take it in the throat for the greater good.

    This was what I thought happened back when they went after Flynn in the first place, and nothing we’ve learned since then has contradicted any of the above. He is guilty, as charged, of lying to the FBI. He lied because he knew the FBI was not trustworthy, that they were out to get PDJT, and that they’d leak everything he said to the press.

    I’m not saying Flynn is perfect. Nobody is perfect except….. But I think Flynn threw himself on his sword to save us, and for that we should be appreciative. And I hope Pence has learned to control his mouth in the media better. Note that Trump hasn’t let him do this type of interview since (AFAIK…maybe I missed one?) Why?

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    • Shadrach says:

      p.s. Sorry for the wall of text. Obviously I run off at the mouth occasionally :\

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      • signfollies says:

        No, you make a good point about Flynn. He is an honorable man who did what he did to save the Trump administration from the media feeding frenzy that was out to destroy it.

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        • beach lover says:

          agree. I think the whole Trump team was naive to how much those in the Obama administration were against him. Of course, the media had shown its hatred during the campaign. But as non-political beings, so to speak, I’m sure they never thought the lengths that the FBI/DOJ/CIA/NSA had gone through to trap and undermine his presidency while they were still in charge. I hope they get every single last one of them for all the crimes they can.

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          • ladypenquin says:

            They continued to use covert actions even after Donald Trump was in charge. That’s what’s worse. We don’t even know how much is still going on and has yet to be uncovered.

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            • BobInFL says:

              Previously many on the board – myself included – have posited that Gen Flynn knew that he was being surveilled and that his lying about his conversations was him taking one for the team, in order to testify about all he had seen going on regarding weaponizing the NSA, FBI and DOJ. He would make an excellent witness for future trials and wouldn’t his plea allow him that opportunity?

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      • Thecleaner says:

        I think the deeper question that needs to be probed is whether or not Kislyak was actually in on the scheme to frame Flynn and others.

        Clinton was bought and paid for by Putin, and Clinton was getting rich off of that relationship as well. The Russians would have every interest in seeing Trump removed from office.

        This Kislyak seemed to be talking to everybody about things that were likely above his pay grade, and appearing at functions, meetings with Sessions etc….my money says he is in on it….

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        • G. Combs says:

          Kislyak was in on it. Remember Kislyak has been buddies with progressives/clintons, and in the loop for years. Natalia Veselnitskaya was PAYING Fusion GPS.

          This ‘Soft Coup’ is not just the Democrats and DC bureaucrats but also involves the Russians and the UK. Recently Clinton Attack Dog Cody Shearer, has been running all over Eastern Europe trying to find Russians who will make up dirt on President Trump.

          May 23, 2017
          “[…]Trump fired Comey earlier this month, just over nine months into the FBI’s probe of Russia’s hacking and disinformation campaigns that targeted Democrats during the election. That probe began in earnest when Robert Hannigan, then the chief of Britain’s Government Communications Headquarters, passed Brennan material related to conversations Trump associates had with suspected or known Russian agents in late 2015 and early 2016,….
          Brennan was so concerned about the intercepted communications that he established a counterintelligence task force, which included the FBI and the National Security Agency. (Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified earlier this month that those communications had been picked up and handed over to US agencies, but he could not elaborate due to the “sensitive” nature of the intelligence.)[…]” — http://www.businessinsider.com/john-brennan-russia-trump-collusion-testimony-2017-5
          Apr. 13, 2017
          “[…]Brennan reportedly established a counterintelligence task force, which included the FBI and the National Security Agency. That summer, Robert Hannigan, then the chief of the GCHQ, passed Brennan more material related to conversations Trump associates had with suspected or known Russian agents,[…]” — http://www.businessinsider.com/british-spy-agency-trump-russia-ties-2017-4
          CIA then set up task-force in 2016 to investigate possible Russian funding of Trump’s campaign
          http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-dossier-claims-cia-2017-1

          Hannigan abruptly resigned on Jan. 23, 2017. This was three days after Trump’s inauguration and shortly after the first allegations that former MI6 agent Christopher Steele was involved thanks to the Buzzfeed article on January 10, 2017.

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          • farrier105 says:

            Yes, Fatso Kislyak can’t be trusted. He is in tight with a lot of the Democrats on Capitol Hill, despite all of the “hair-on-fire” nonsense they spout that Russians are under every rock, bush, and tree ready to leap out and kill us all. Brit Hume, in the middle of all of the hysteria, recalled seeing Fatso Kislyak having lunch with Feinstein in the Senate cafeteria. Hume didn’t think anything about it at the time. Fatso seems to take all the Russophobia of the Dems in stride.

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        • spren says:

          Remember a year ago at Trump’s address to the Joint members of congress (the precursor to a SOTU message since he had just become President) that Kislyak sat with the Democrats during the address. I found that interesting and also peculiar that none of the media commented upon it.

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          • Guyver1 says:

            As soon as I started reading this thread I remembered seeing Kislyak sitting with the Dims at an important event where PT was the speaker, but I could not remember what event it was.
            Thanks for refreshing my memory!!!
            He stood out like a sore thumb, and the camera shots centered on him several times.
            And like you, I also noticed the media refused to comment on it.
            I was livid. There he was, one of the central figures in the “Russia, Russia, Russia” narrative, sitting at such an important event, with the Dims.
            And the media said zero, zip, nada. Their silence was deafening.
            I am convinced he was a part of the setup, and the media knows it (since they are an active and willing part of the coup attempt).
            I hope that when the hammer falls, some of these MSM hacks end up going to jail for sedition.

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    • Anonymous says:

      It’s a stretch.

      First you are assuming he makes this snap strategic decision to lie to protect Pence, but he lacked the foresight to bring a lawyer with him.

      Second, lying (even if it hurts yourself and protects someone else) is still lying. It’s wrong. See the Bible.

      Third, it did more damage in the end than telling the truth.

      Fourth, he didn’t have to tell the truth or lie. He could have refused to answer the question and terminated the interview.

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      • signfollies says:

        It was an ambush interview and Flynn realized it too late.

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        • David A says:

          Fourth, in my read he did not lie, as he was not aware of meeting with “Russians who were trying to influence the election”.
          The question itself is poorly framed as it implies, ” meeting with Russians who were trying to influence the election” to elect Trump. To answers yes to that question would be a confession to a crime; colluding with foreign agents to influence a U.S. election.

          Which, btw, is exactly what HRC was doing.

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          • Orville R. Bacher says:

            When big, unaccountable, lying government, e.g. FBI/DOJ, targets you like the Gestapo/Stasi, then you as a private citizen have a choice. You can fight for your innocence and be broke from legal fees, or admit guilt even though you are innocent and save your family’s assets. Flynn made the only choice he could.

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        • Anonymous says:

          yes.

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      • USMCLt says:

        Flynn wore multiple stars on his shoulder. Such people are cursed with an abundant supply of hubris which must be contained and controlled if they are to remain effective leaders. Additionally, Gen Flynn came up through the ranks as an intelligence officer plugged into the IC. Lies are considered coin of the realm in the intelligence world, so Flynn might be a bit more apt to pull that trick from his bag than others, especially in a stressful situation. He will likely never be sentenced, but if he is, Trump will pardon him, just like Sheriff Joe.

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      • Lizzyp says:

        Wasn’t it also established recently that the reason Flynn didn’t have a lawyer is that this wasn’t set up as a formal interview? The agents contacted him and asked if they could come see him – in a manner that Flynn would easily assume was a work meeting, not an investigative interview. That’s the reference to ‘ambush.’

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    • Tonawanda says:

      Sessions did NOT recuse himself because of Kislyak.

      He recused himself because he was an active participant in Trump’s campaign.

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      • farrier105 says:

        Sessions trouble stems from the accepted assumption by Democrats and media that, if a Russian stands close to a Republican, the Republican is guilty of treason, unless it is John McCain. All Fatso Kislyak has to do stand beside a Republican, and it is a major crisis to the media and the Democrats.

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    • Mr. T. says:

      Here’s the deal. All General Flynn & his legal team have to do is to wait out the clock. We know that Strzok’s credibility is now ruined. If he were working for a state or local law enforcement agency here in Arizona, he would be placed on “The Brady List”. No prosecutor would ever call him to the stand to give testimony, and if they did, the defense would surely bring up his credibility issues from the past. That being said, time is on General Flynn’s side. We know that the judge was recused, possibly by Chief Justice Roberts, as that judge is a member of the FISA court and could possibly have signed off on one of more warrants involving the phone Russian collusion joke of an investigation.

      Pretty hard to prosecute General Flynn, when we know that Strzok was involved with illegal activity against the President. What we do currently know about that rogue agent is peanuts compared to what will be made public when I.G. Horowitz releases his full report which will include a massive amount of evidence that will be used to prosecute quite a number of people involved in the conspiracy.

      Yes, time is on General Flynn’s side. There are several possibilities as to what could happen. Either the prosecutor will withdraw the complaint, General Flynn’s lawyers will ask the judge to dismiss the charge in the interest of justice, or General Flynn will withdraw his guilty plea and request a jury trial. If a jury trial is requested and the prosecutor wishes to continue, which I highly doubt, there’s that little thing called “Discovery” that could get in the prosecution’s way. By the time it got around to that, Strzok may already be facing federal charges for the Conspiracy against POTUS. If that happens and most likely it will, the prosecutor knows their case is lost. After General Flynn walks free, don’t be surprised when he files a lawsuit against the DOJ/FBI. The man had to sell his home to help pay for his legal defense. That’s just not right, especially when the case against him was based on illegal activity by rogue government operatives.

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      • JBTX says:

        I agree. The “process lie” that Flynn was accused of will fall by the side, in light of the other revelations about the conduct of the investigation. If the basis of the entire investigation is proven to be based on fraudulent information, I doubt even Mueller would risk trying to keep the whole boat afloat and risk what is left of his reputation. If he has anything left. Some people inside the beltway seem to like him or thinks he is honorable. I guess time will tell, on that issue, as well.

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    • Have Gun Will Travel says:

      I believe you are right on target

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    • cozette says:

      Why are you assuming that what Pence said was not knowing how to control his mouth when talking to the media as opposed to saying EXACTLY what he intended to say which forced Trump to fire Flynn? Pence is a decades long media pro who knew this question was coming. How could smooth talking, professional politician Pence “accidentally” give such a jaw dropping answer to such an obvious question? I don’t believe it was an accident. I have not forgotten that Pence is connected to the Bush and GOPe cabal which included Priebus, Ryan and McConnell and frankly I don’t care how uber Christian someone acts. To me thats just a brand. I don’t factor it in. That’s why my antenna went up on Cruz right away too.

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  3. Flight93Gal says:

    Having read the Byron York article that SD posted, it became increasingly obvious to me that the FBI and the illicit Press believe that the FBI is the co-equal 4th branch of government. I await the IG report, the 24 “leak investigations” and all the other evidence that corrects this false belief about the FBI. The corrupt FBI leadership, especially Yates, need to be prosecuted, convicted and jailed! Finally, I might add that McGhan may be a good attorney and a decent person but POTUS requires a LOYAL personal attorney, attuned to the ways of the Swamp, that will PROTECT him and his chosen administration.

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  4. Louie says:

    Perhaps Dickerson’s question was a continuation of the Flynn/Pence setup.

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    • WSB says:

      That’s what I keep wondering. Did someone feed Dickerson the perfectly loaded question? I am beginning to regard these Subday interviews as rapid-fire cross examinations for the Deep State.

      I also wonder why Pence accepted the interview that Sunday.

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    • cozette says:

      Pence is not part of Trumps inner circle and is being kept at arms length.

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  5. Tonawanda says:

    We don’t know Flynn’s motive to lie but Sundance has the simplest answer.

    Whatever the motive, it was noble and honorable, Flynn sacrificed himself.

    Flynn should be pardoned, but the better outcome is for the DOJ to move to vacate the plea and then move to dismiss the charges based on the comprehensive bad faith and prosecutorial misconduct surrounding and infusing the case.

    Comey LIED when he said the agents did not think Flynn lied. Comey told this lie to make it appear that the agents could not possibly have had an ulterior motive in questioning Flynn. This is a kindergarden level lie criminals tell to IMPLY they could not possibly have had a criminal intent or been a criminal participant. If you had no idea a crime took place how could you be guilty?

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  6. I recall that Mueller’s team was leaking allegations of schemes with Turkey involving Flynn’s son to abduct a cleric residing in the US with asylum from Erdogan. That must have been the threat to impoverish Flynn. How can you trust any of those folks?

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    • Chewbarkah says:

      I have long suspected that the Turkish cleric/abduction plot was used to coerce Flynn into pleading guilty to the ridiculous lying charge. The cleric in question is likely a cats paw of the CIA, which is why the IC wanted to bork Flynn, who was a major threat to them. But a public trial about US support of the cleric, and Erdogan’s plotting to abduct his opponents from US soil would have been a disaster for US relations with Turkey. Ruining Flynn and getting him off the stage via this bogus plea was the solution.

      Supposedly Pence fired Flynn for lying about his Russia contacts. If Flynn lied to Pence, I’d guess it was about his service to Turkey.

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  7. LULU says:

    Clarice Feldman: The Great Flynn Case Mystery

    I have been wondering why, shortly after Judge Rudolph Contreras was (without explanation) recused from hearing the Michael Flynn case and Judge Emmet G. Sullivan took over, Special Counsel Robert Mueller agreed to postpone the sentencing until May, after the inspector general’s report is due.

    I have no assurances that my suppositions are correct, but I’m beginning to think that at the next hearing of this case, Judge Sullivan will hear Mueller dismiss the case. Here’s how I come to that.

    The only reason I can imagine why Judge Contreras was recused – note: did not recuse himself – is that he was a member of the FISC, the court that grants surveillance warrants under FISA.

    Read the rest here:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/the_great_flynn_case_mystery.html

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    • Tonawanda says:

      1) It is not the Brady Act, it is Brady v Maryland.

      2) Judges issue orders all the time for the prosecution to turn over Brady material, upon the standard request of defendants, who have an interest (and obligation) in asking for specific instances of exculpatory evidence.

      3) Comey LIED when he said the FBI agents left the meeting thinking Flynn had not lies, but it is irrelevant because Flynn stated under oath that he DID lie when he pleaded guilty.

      4) All other potential Brady material was almost certainly rendered irrelevant when Flynn pleaded guilty. It is not as if Flynn could say, “Wow, if only I had realized [Brady material] then I would have also realized I did not lie.” See the absurdity?

      5) Once criminal liability has been established by an admission under oath during a plea, does it make sense to say there was EXCULPATORY evidence which now bears on my conviction? True, there may be FAVORABLE evidence which bears on whether someone would plead guilty, but that is a different and far more remote question.

      6) If Mueller comes back and dismisses the charges, God bless him. That is the ONLY right thing to do. But he is NOT doing it because of Brady, he is doing it because it is the right thing to do in the context of the abhorrent prosecutorial misconduct (and other factors relevant to justice).

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        The plea was made under duress and without full knowledge of the facts due to FIB/DOJ malfeasance. It would have been better if Flynn’s lawyers had inserted Alford language, but the plea and more importantly the underlying prosecution are still in play.

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    • Michael J. Machnica says:

      Exposure of the FISA judge here on Feb. 03, 2018, they use some info from this site

      The political reporting from here might be OK – Because of the title of the channel I vehemently do not endorse any of their biblical doctrinal views.
      He basically accuses BHO of buying a FISA court judge, or at least having one in his back pocket that he can use.
      Someone commented below the video that Obama appointed 10 of the 11 FISA judges.That explains why no one has been held to account for the deceptions outlined in the 99 page report released last year.
      I guess that FISA system needs to be scrapped.

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  8. THEBIGUGLYISFUGLY says:

    Criminals with Badges. I am sure they have a “Gang Sign”. The middle finger to the American People and Congressional Oversight. They all need to be rounded up, perp walked and sent to Military Tribunals for Treason/Sedition. There is no doubt in my mind that the (D)’s ran the People’s Government as a Criminal RICO Organization.

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  9. appadoo9 says:

    The word Meddle is the key word. Flynn didh’t talk to anyone meddling. That’s what Pence was focused on

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    • ladypenquin says:

      Glad you noted this, appadoo9. I was thinking the same thing last night, but include these additional words:
      “who were trying to meddle in the election?”

      It is a past tense question (“who were trying”), and Pence responded correctly in the context of past tense. Yes, it would have been helpful if he went on to say that in the transition period there would, of course, be contacts with Russia. I’ve never understood why it was taken that Flynn “lied.”

      Taking it further; “did any advisor or anybody in the Trump campaign have any contact with the Russians who were trying to meddle in the election?” The question is discussing the Trump campaign, and the election, not the transition period of President-elect Trump. So there really wasn’t a reason for heartburn on the part of anyone. Flynn wouldn’t have been thinking about the transition period; wouldn’t he assume that the President elect’s team would be involved in contacts with foreign entities, including Mike Pence VP-elect?

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      • Tonawanda says:

        But at the time the correct and accurate interpretation was going nowhere.

        The fraudulent and twisted interpretation was the only one accepted.

        It is easy in retrospect to see clearly what Pence said was true and limited, but Pence still should have responded by making a declarative statement: no Trump people have at any time spoken to any Russians who were meddling in our election.

        People on our side get no slack, and we have to act accordingly.

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        • ladypenquin says:

          It appears that VP-elect Pence was naive in dealing with the press. He should have simply said we don’t know about “Russians meddling” and have only spoken with them in the transition period as we did with other foreign powers.”

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          • cozette says:

            Lol. Pence NAIVE about dealing with the press? You’re joking, right? Pence is a CAREER politician who also had his own radio show. He’s a PROFESSIONAL smooth talking, blah blaher. He understood the question and the ramifications of his answer. He got Flynn fired. Remember the birds of a feather he’s flown with; Flake, Ryan, Priebus and the Bush cabal to name a few.

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  10. covfefe999 says:

    Just posted this in one of the Rice emal threads. I was reading the Byron York article and was struck by this paragraph:

    On Feb. 14, the New York Times reported that, “Obama advisers grew suspicious that perhaps there had been a secret deal between the incoming [Trump] team and Moscow, which could violate the rarely enforced, two-century-old Logan Act barring private citizens from negotiating with foreign powers in disputes with the United States.”

    Obama advisors “grew suspicious”, i.e., were planning to take down anyone on the Trump team in any way possible prior to or even after Trump was inaugurated. That Jan 5 meeting, people asked why Yates was present and not Lynch. Now we know. They were plotting the next step with Yates in place as AG even temporarily. They needed to act fast, take out whoever they could. Yates created an extension of the Obama election meddling. Even if they couldn’t get Trump himself, getting someone close to Trump would do damage.

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  11. Bing says:

    The Obama administration was monitoring General Flynn very soon after Flynn retired or was forced out. Flynn knew to many things that would be damaging to the administration as it relates to the Middle East.

    It is only a guess, but I think several of the FISA-702 (17) requests had Flynn’s name attached. Admiral Rodgers would know Flynn well as Rodgers once said of Flynn “the best intelligence officer of the past 20 years.”

    I think Flynn was mixing with a few of the Republican presidential candidates late in 2015 until Flynn became part of the Trump team in February of 2016. Flynn was being monitored closely along with any campaign Flynn was associated with.

    Flynn was a target of the Obama administration soon after Flynn left the administration. Flynn under no circumstances could be allowed in the White House. The Obama administration would, and did do everything possible legal, illegal, and unethical to take out Flynn.

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  12. 196ski says:

    General Flynn is an honorable man who selflessly served our country for most of his life. His horrible treatment at the hands of a weaponized FBI has been instrumental in enlightening me as to the true shameful workings of my government.

    The best recompense for Flynn would be to make sure those responsible tried and if convicted spend long periods of time behind bars and to take steps to ensure this assault on liberty is never repeated.

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    • Randolph Scott says:

      And once a week walk by their cells, wave at the criminals and LAUGH! If the criminal happens to be in a grave, stop by, unzip and pee on them.

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  13. MGBSE says:

    Flynn – innocent
    Ted Stevens – innocent
    Scooter Libby – innocent
    Bundy Family – innocent

    THE LIARS…obama, his cabinet & administration, Hillary and everyone in her campaign and at the DNC, the Russian Dossier scam and the FBI.

    The liars must be prosecuted & the FBI dismantled.

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  14. HickTick says:

    It would probably be best to wait to see the Strzok and Page texts from the time around the Flynn ambush at the WH , ,you just know those will end the Flynn case . The apple dumpling gang , ,I cant help but laugh .

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  15. Brant says:

    I know he is sometimes wishy washy, but when something like this is really gearing up, Ole Rush sure can get a good monologue going. He is doing the Victor David Hanson article with some good voice accents, etc.

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  16. suehrs says:

    If the FBI continues to entrap people into giving false statements, why just not answer any questions, i.e.plead the 5th for each question, because you cannot trust the FBI. They also lie on their 302s as well.

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  17. LDave says:

    Sundance said, “[Flynn has two options: either (1) Flynn contradicts Pence, or (2) he tells a lie, those were his options.]”

    Every American will remember, from now on, the third option: “Gentlemen, I’m terminating this interview until we can schedule another one where my attorney will be present.”

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  18. Doppler says:

    Sometimes the best defense is a strong offense, and this appears to have been the Clinton Machine’s approach to her own vulnerabilities, which included Russian collusion through the Podestas to sell Uranium one to Rosatom, while $140M in cash flowed to the Clinton Foundation or CGI, from the Russians buyers and the various sellers; destruction of 35,000 emails that would have documented any other “pay to play” deals she might have engaged in while at SOS; and, of course, the mishandling of classified materials on her insecure server. As Trump (with his Miss U pageant in Moscow and his budding rapport with Putin) became her likely opponent and the email investigation was being steered toward exoneration, the insurance policy idea may have arisen to both undermine Trump’s legitimacy and to preempt criticism of the Clinton’s own Russian collusion. Most of the media and political voices screaming Russia-gate during the transition and later had no idea of the provenance of the core allegations against Trump or of the Clinton’s own collusion vulnerability. The tactic was effective, forcing Flynn’s resignation, Session’s recusal, and Nunes backing off from aggressive leadership as chair of his committee, while creating the appearance of the need for a special counsel.

    Looking back on Flynn and Pence’s regrettable mishandling of the innocent facts in the maelstrom of the media feeding frenzy, one can see the potency of the Clinton core team of political infighters. And the susceptibility of the media and a large part of the public to be manipulated. But as Napoleon and Hitler learned, initial victories in Russia campaigns may lead eventually to crushing defeats as the seasons change.

    It is my hope that the only cooperation Flynn has to provide for leniency is to help prove that those who pursued him to a guilty plea will be shown to have abused and misused their authority in doing so. In the end, I hope he will have his plea expunged for prosecutorial misconduct, and if not, there is always the pardon power.

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  19. kallibella says:

    Wow! The corruption and entrapment is outrageous! Flynn should have demanded Peter the cheat be under oath before asking the first question!!!

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  20. phoenixRising says:

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  22. Thomas_Pain-1961 says:

    I don’t twitter but I view someone on twitter on my laptop named Emperator Rex. His analysis of the unfolding events is superb. However I feel his penchant for name calling robs him of much dignity. That said, he posted something today I think is happening:

    “4. #2 – Mueller (good actor theory) has used the 302 knowing it to be false and then indicted @GenFlynn , to damage STRZOK – and to ensnare the conspirators in a seditious conspiracy to damage an inaugurated POTUS.” – Emperator Rex, twitter, 2-13-18

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  23. buckeyeman says:

    It has been reported that the FBI had transcripts of Flynn’s telephone conversations with Kislyak. So why would they need to ask Flynn what he said during these conversations? It was obviously with the intent to entrap Flynn.

    There was no recording or transcript of Flynn’s “conversation” with PETER STRZOK, the FBI agent who conducted the “conversation”. Flynn was not advised that he was under investigation so that he could take advantage of his right to counsel. The only basis for “proving” that Flynn lied would therefor be PETER STRZOK’s sworn testimony.

    It has been reported that PETER STRZOK has told others that he did not believe that Flynn lied. The “conversation” between Flynn and PETER STRZOK may have been memorialized in a Form 302. It has also been reported that FBI agents have altered 302 Forms in order to conform to a changing narrative.

    It is likely that Flynn, ever the good soldier, fell on his own sword to protect his family from ruinous legal fees and a threatened attack on his son.

    Judge Rudolph Contreras heard Flynn’s guilty plea (and likely signed at least one of the four illegal FISA warrants) either recused himself or was recused by… someone. Judge Emmett Sullivan has been assigned the case and has now ordered the FBI to provide Flynn with all exculpatory materials. Even materials that the FBI does not think are relevant must be given to the judge for in camera review.

    My guess is that Sullivan will dismiss all charges against Flynn with prejudice and press for charges against the DOJ and FBI officials who perpetrated these crimes against justice and our country.

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  24. Tim Banis says:

    Exposing Obama, reducing his name to Mudd, erasing his legacy for all time, seems to me more important and effective than prosecution because of the martyr effect from Blacks and liberals.
    The Clintons, however, should both face the full furry of the law and face life in prison or execution for their decades of crime, extortion, murder and treason.
    This would send shivers down the spine to not only the Globalists, but also the Bush crime family and others like George Soros.

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  25. “1)💥USA v FLYNN Case Update💥 Today, a Stipulated Motion was filed for Protective Order “Governing Discovery” by USA as to Michael Flynn. This is a big deal. The Flynn Team is gathering new evidence to fight the charges & prove Flynn was framed.”

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  26. Heather says:

    Nazi Mueller is a stinking corrupt rotten bastard who is known for lying, twisting the truth, framing people, using gestapo tactics like breaking into a family home in the middle of the night with 12 armed men flashing their weapons and tormenting and threatening the family for 12 hours. That is not the American way. Nazi Muller should be prosecuted or thrown out of the country. More gestapo tactics like locking up innocent men in prison solitary for months or until they agree to say what he tells them to say. Mueller is one sick bastard. There is no justice in anything he does.

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