Reports: Rosenstein Talked of “Wearing a Wire” Against Trump and “Invoking 25th Amendment”….

A few days ago four democrat members of the intelligence oversight Gang-of-Eight demanded DNI Coats, DAG Rosenstein and FBI Director Wray block President Trump from his declassification directive.   Primarily most of the language was directed toward Rod Rosenstein. [Reminder Here]

Today, some element within the Administrative State, likely Andrew McCabe or Robert Mueller, is reported as a source for a New York Times article claiming Rosenstein told officials in Andy McCabe’s office that he was willing to “wear a wire”, and solicit members of the Trump cabinet (Jeff Sessions, John Kelly) to invoke the 25th amendment.

…”Well, what do you want me to do, Andy, wear a wire?”…

Could it possibly be that elements within the deep state are targeting Rosenstein for his willingness to comply and debrief, President Trump on the matter of the declassification directive?  Smells similar.  Here’s the pertinent parts of the article:

[…] Mr. Rosenstein made the remarks about secretly recording Mr. Trump and about the 25th Amendment in meetings and conversations with other Justice Department and F.B.I. officials. Several people described the episodes, insisting on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. The people were briefed either on the events themselves or on memos written by F.B.I. officials, including Andrew G. McCabe, then the acting bureau director, that documented Mr. Rosenstein’s actions and comments.

None of Mr. Rosenstein’s proposals apparently came to fruition. It is not clear how determined he was about seeing them through, though he did tell Mr. McCabe that he might be able to persuade Attorney General Jeff Sessions and John F. Kelly, then the secretary of homeland security and now the White House chief of staff, to mount an effort to invoke the 25th Amendment.

The extreme suggestions show Mr. Rosenstein’s state of mind in the disorienting days that followed Mr. Comey’s dismissal. Sitting in on Mr. Trump’s interviews with prospective F.B.I. directors and facing attacks for his own role in Mr. Comey’s firing, Mr. Rosenstein had an up-close view of the tumult. Mr. Rosenstein appeared conflicted, regretful and emotional, according to people who spoke with him at the time.

Mr. Rosenstein disputed this account.

“The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,” he said in a statement. “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me be clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment.”

A Justice Department spokeswoman also provided a statement from a person who was present when Mr. Rosenstein proposed wearing a wire. The person, who would not be named, acknowledged the remark but said Mr. Rosenstein made it sarcastically.

But according to the others who described his comments, Mr. Rosenstein not only confirmed that he was serious about the idea but also followed up by suggesting that other F.B.I. officials who were interviewing to be the bureau’s director could also secretly record Mr. Trump.

Mr. McCabe, who was later fired from the F.B.I., declined to comment. His memos have been turned over to the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, in the investigation into whether Trump associates conspired with Russia’s election interference, according to a lawyer for Mr. McCabe. “A set of those memos remained at the F.B.I. at the time of his departure in late January 2018,” the lawyer, Michael R. Bromwich, said of his client. “He has no knowledge of how any member of the media obtained those memos.”  (read more)

NBC is reporting the context of the meeting was in Andrew McCabe’s office with Lisa Page and Scott Schools in attendance.  [Rosenstein, McCabe, Page, Schools] Whereby McCabe made a written memo of the discussion:

(Via NBC) In a May, 16, 2017 meeting at a secure facility at the Justice Department — one week after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey — Rosenstein was arguing with Andrew McCabe, then the acting director of the FBI, about the president, according to a senior Justice Department official.

“Well, what do you want me to do, Andy, wear a wire?” Rosenstein asked at the meeting, which also included FBI lawyer Lisa Page and four career DOJ officials, according to the senior official. One of the career civil servants was Scott Schools, who would later go on to sign off on the firing of McCabe, the official said.

This official and a source who was in the room characterized Rosenstein’s remark as sarcastic.

The senior official further said that the reference to invoking the Constitution to remove Trump comes from a post-meeting memo written by McCabe that said the deputy attorney general “raises 25th amendment” and that Page’s notes from the same meeting do not contain any similar note.  (read more)

….You can call it a soft-coup, or you can call it politicization of the DOJ and FBI, but the end result is the same – the intentional effort to manipulate, influence, and ultimately subvert an election for the presidency of the United States…

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681 Responses to Reports: Rosenstein Talked of “Wearing a Wire” Against Trump and “Invoking 25th Amendment”….

  1. wyntre says:

    Yes, I sometimes keep up with Q.

    Today’s drops are pretty intense and marks the first time I’ve ever posted from that board.
    Scroll by if you’re not interested but I found these fascinating..


    [RR] tried twice to see POTUS, and both times POTUS refused….NOW we know why, the sorry SOB trying to setup POTUS for a sting.

    [RR] called [LL] 4x in the past 11 days?

    [LL] talking = TRUTH reveal TARMAC [BC]?
    [LL] talking = TRUTH reveal COMEY HRC EMAIL CASE?
    [LL] talking = TRUTH reveal HUSSEIN instructions re: HRC EMAIL CASE?


    Comey & McCabe talking?
    Next comes NYT article against [RR]?
    These people are stupid.

    Liked by 14 people

    • Thx for posting. Stopped following that Q b.s. early on… (there is no reason for anyone to post in the name of Team Trump on 4chan signaling the next steps)
      Certainly we are in CRUNCH TIME. High Stakes!

      That guy who runs the Q stuff knows a lot but he is merely reacting.
      A great story teller though. Big Ego! I think it’s someone from the twitter crowd that posts a lot and hits sometimes. That Truepundit guy, Cernovich or Wohl or any of these unreliable guys.(but maybe well meaning?)

      “tried twice to see POTUS, and both times POTUS refused….NOW we know why, the sorry SOB trying to setup POTUS for a sting.”
      lol Such B.S. But easy for Q to go along with no matter what happens next.

      Trump has the Generals around him. They have everyone in check. Trump got it.
      Look how cool and playful he is. High Stakes, days before the Season FINALE! 🙂

      Liked by 6 people

      • Your Tour Guide says:

        Never thought about it, but maybe “Q” =Ulsterman.

        Some similarities in M.O. there.

        Liked by 2 people

      • JSBachLover says:

        Wow, are you wrong. Merely reacting? Hardly! You haven’t researched this, have you? If you would you’d find out what really is BS. And did you not see Trump himself respond to front -row rally Q shirt -wearers? Q is a military intelligence operation. One person or probably more. Be glad they’re there.

        Liked by 6 people

        • O.F. says:

          “the sorry SOB trying to setup POTUS for a sting.”
          No one in millitary or intel talks like this.
          A “sting” is a hollywood/civilian term.
          Survielance ops, entrapment, etc. technical terms but not “sting”. That Q dude is not an inside military or intel.

          Liked by 1 person

          • nbkilgore says:

            O.F. The statement you quote is a comment made by a participant in the discussion of the Q info drop. Wyntre omitted who made which remarks or reply. You are correct in saying “no one military or intel talks like this” and accordingly Q does not do as such. The omitted elements does and has caused some confusion, the remarks are made by an Anon researcher. Respectfully, US Military retired!

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        • Southern Son says:

          And the Fact, that most Q crumbs are Immediately Followed by P45’s Tweets, in the Same Context.
          We’re talkin’ within a 60seconds.
          Q Is With President Trump, and I pray this is revealed soon.
          I think Q is Flynn.
          It really doesn’t matter, except for Unity of Our Movement.
          Q has Always said, “The Choice to Know, is Yours.”
          So, why don’t people challenge the drops, instead of Q followers?
          Soon perhaps, this will be put to rest.
          I Use my own discernment, without Discouraging anyone elses.

          Liked by 6 people

        • j says:

          I love to read, so I do my own research and my conclusions are my own.
          I know that Q is accurate about future events that only a few could possibly know.
          Pope changing the Lord’s Prayer for example……
          Some people hate to read. They rely on others to do the research and reach conclusions for them. I understand, but don’t put much energy into considering their borrowed point of view.

          Liked by 1 person

      • NC PATRIOT says:

        The guy who runs Q is likely MI close to POTUS.

        Liked by 3 people

      • Racerdad99 says:

        I agree completely. Anybody who reads conservative treehouse could post the same stuff that Q was posting. It looks to me like someone who’s staying up on the facts just trying to be a little Famous by pretending to be some Secret Insider.


      • luke says:

        This may be good news. Someone is trying to get Trump riled up at RR for some reason.


    • Fred Ohr says:

      Us normies will be happen to see RR fired AFTER he is indicted for conspiracy to commit sedition. MAGA.


    • peace says:

      The NYT article is most likely some sort of setup. They are always anti-Trump. The NYT always lies.

      Liked by 7 people

      • says:

        It may be so, but a normal person (particularly from a higher HQ) would have done a little more than be sarcastic.

        If RR had ANY ethics, or personal or professional integrity he would have shut the discussion down with “… that’s sedition Andy, if you haven’t been keeping up with current events, let me remind you it’s against the law. Regardless of what obama and jarrett say.”

        He’s appears to be just as dirty as McCabe. Send him to GITMO with the rest of them.

        Liked by 3 people

        • Amy2 says:

          RR couldn’t have been joking. He has no sense of humor. I would love to know what McCabe said that prompted RR’s response.

          Liked by 3 people

        • J says:

          I think a turning point for RR came a few days after he wrote that memo and Comey was fired. The NYT editorial board wrote “An Open Letter to the DAG” on May 11th 2017. Somehow RR completely marched in lock-step with the coup from that day til today. So loyal to “them”…..and now this leak…..and the NYT goes with it top of page one.
          Worth rereading. The swarminess! You RR are the annointed one.


      • AccountabilityPlease says:

        The NY Times bacon is in the fire because they colluded with the coup d’etat members. There is no way they would knowingly do something to help President Trump. This is obviously a SETUP. President Trump has them in check and their is no need to trash the chess board. Let it play until final checkmate!

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    • mazziflol says:

      [RR] tried twice to see POTUS, and both times POTUS refused….NOW we know why, the sorry SOB trying to setup POTUS for a sting.

      [RR] called [LL] 4x in the past 11 days?



    • D says:

      Who’s “LL”?

      Liked by 1 person

    • nbkilgore says:

      Wyntre, I make this reply with the utmost respect. You omitted who said what, which has created a little confusion, i.e.; Q ; stated/statement, Anon; stated/statement and etc. Exact content delivery is important as you may observe in comments responding to your post. Like the Qanon research community, there are many former military and other professionals in their perspective fields within the TCH community who regularly participate in the discussion herein. perhaps it’s advisable to attach a screen shot of the content to give the community a better perspective. Respectfully US Mil.Retired, thank you for your post!

      Liked by 2 people

      • churchmouse says:

        With respect, you can check Q’s messages out yourself on:

        See Q messages 2258, 2259 and 2560 from September 22.

        Liked by 2 people

        • nbkilgore says:

          Churchmouse, thank you for your advice, however that is where I keep my shovel busy. All I’m conveying to OP was not to stray from original content, (note the difference from original Q drop and info transition). You and I both know some of our fellow treeps are not to keen on us Qanons and some attempt to berate us for what we’re already are aware of. Perhaps I’ve been away a wee bit to long because you and I have inner acted positively of our Qanon awareness. You may recall early spring this year we got a lot of push back on this subject and I can see some positivities now. Good to see ya CM, WWG1WGA!

          Liked by 3 people

          • churchmouse says:

            I now understand what you mean, nbkilgore.

            I apologise for not recognising you were a Q follower.

            Thank you for your service to the United States — and to the world at large.

            Re the Q phenomenon, I agree with you on the push back. It’s rather sad.

            It’s been great to share some time with you here, nbkilgore. I very much appreciate — and am honoured by — the exchange.

            WWG1WGA! 🙂

            Liked by 1 person

      • wyntre says:

        Those drops were from a half dozen screen shots. Couldn’t post them all. Go to the site to see the complete content.


        Liked by 1 person

    • RJones says:

      SD’s rationale for Trump back off on declass does not portend well for all the Q stuff about “trusting Sessions” and “watch Huber”. We were to believe there was a plan to prosecute all these corrupt b@stards and throw them in jail. Instead, if SD is right, basically nothing has been done except to fire or demote people. Yeah, we get it’s all deep rooted and all that. Nevertheless, if SD is right, tHe rug has been pulled out from under Q and anyone who thought he brought anything to the table. Sounds like betrayal of anyone who thought Q was providing real info…Right?


    • lftpm says:

      Roddie, Roddie, Roddie,

      forget the 25th Amendment. You need to bone up on the 5th, Son

      Liked by 1 person

  2. V.I.G. says:

    The NYT?

    It doesnt add up and I agree with Levin, the NYT is deep state.

    Liked by 1 person

    • True Treeper says:

      Saying this respectfully. Levin was a leading Never Trumper. I don’t see how his judgement means squat.

      Just as likely that McCabe is not going down alone.

      Whatever is the truth, it’s clear this all gained momentum when PDJT said he’d declassify docs…hope it happens soon.

      Liked by 3 people

    • With all previous impeding revelations NYT and WAPO preempted it. This is their shot.
      This is designed to get RR into the spotlight. Smells like a setup.
      I doubt that it is from Team Trump. If RR was a prime target there would be other ways to get at him.(leaking the FISA he signed)
      McCabe, Comey and co. need a scapegoat. They never had the interest of the department or the rank and file like they said.

      “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda.”

      WSJ 8.8.2018:
      “When asked about his rapport with Rosenstein by The Wall Street Journal, Trump said, “It’s fantastic,” adding, “We have a great relationship. Make sure you tell them that.”


      • sejmon says:



        • trapper says:

          My money is on Trump (or someone at T’s behest) turned RR, and the rest are now furious and panicked and desperate to separate RR from Trump. “Let me show you what we have found. There is a cancer in your beloved department. Help us cut it out. I am offering you a one-time opportunity to be part of the solution.” And over he went. I could be wrong. But again, it is the conspirators and democrats who are trying to take out RR by disclosing his connections with them. What do you deduce from that?


  3. Troublemaker10 says:

    Schumer’s Warning

    Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer quickly warned Trump against seizing on the report as a reason to dismiss Rosenstein.

    “This story must not be used as a pretext for the corrupt purpose of firing Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein in order install an official who will allow the president to interfere with the Special Counsel’s investigation,” Schumer said in a statement. He added that many “White House and cabinet officials have been reported to say critical things of the president without being fired.”


    Liked by 1 person

    • All Too Much says:

      Wearing a wire isn’t comparable to saying critical things.
      Or is it?

      Liked by 2 people

    • AccountabilityPlease says:

      Uncharacteristic help from the consistently hostile NY Times? Advice from crying Chuck? SETUP!

      Liked by 3 people

      • Newton Love says:

        > “Uncharacteristic help from the consistently hostile NY Times? Advice from crying Chuck? SETUP!”

        The NYT doesn’t even know how to play flat 2-D chess, let alone 3-tiered (3-D) chess! The NYTs is more likely to be a frustrated board flipper, ruining any strategies of the other player(s), than to play with a plan.

        The NYTs plays chess with a sledgehammer.

        Liked by 1 person

    • jmclever says:

      Comey fired at RR recommendation. RR apoints SC who wants to use Comey firing to frame POTUS with obstruction of justice. RR oversees the SC. RR gave secret memo to SC as to scope and direction of SC. Schumer insists on not firing RR to protect SC

      But the NYT attempting to discredit RR in multiple ways. (read the entire hyperlinked NYT article)


      Either they’ve been overzealous in their.attempts to get him fired


      They are preemptively blaming him for something that is about to be revealed by declassification of FISA, texts and Ohr 302s (if this one is true then swamp knows the gig is up!)


  4. bessie2003 says:

    Just waiting for Mr. Rosenstein to offer his resignation and for the President to accept it.

    The nation needs to move on from these games.


  5. ltravisjr says:

    If as the story says, Rosenstein was under duress and said “Well, what do you want me to do, Andy, wear a wire?”, that tells me he wasn’t being serious, but not joking, either. It sounds like a sarcastic comment under stress during an argument. It sounds like the other deep state ops are taking advantage of that episode to goad Trump into firing Rosey on the presumption he was serious about wearing a wire. Then they would use that as a basis for impeachment of Trump. Rosey is a deep-stater no doubt (his guilt was already behind his duress), but I think he is being used as a convenient pawn in this case. My guess anyway.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Firefly says:

      Mueller SC might be wishing for a way out. Victoria Toensing in one interview said they might be goading PTrump. Similar with the declassification claims it impacts the Mueller investigation

      Liked by 2 people

    • Or they could have been brainstorming. They could trap the President this way or that. RR might be the one to get in to see PDJT the most, but Andy was the leader of the plot?
      Suggesting a plan to Leader Andy?

      Liked by 1 person

    • Leane Kamari says:

      Well, maybe Rosenstein’s sarcastic comment is that what made Comey believe that there might be a tape of his conversation with the President. So Comey is surely not at friendly speaking terms with Rosenstein in contrast to his best speaking terms with McCabe who lied under oath several times.
      Rosenstein seems to me now as being part of the clean up crew; far to clever to put his future in the hands of anybody not even mentioning McCabe, Comey, Brennan or Clapper.
      NYT fake news is a set up with the goal as mentioned by Mark Levin (also his short remark on Rosenstein/Comey)

      Liked by 1 person

  6. frank field says:

    Deep state wants Barsoomians husband fired so the left mobilizes in the mid terms.


    Liked by 1 person

  7. Troublemaker10 says:

    It’s also interesting….

    Trump gets the unredacted documents one day …

    The Rosenstein “tape Trump” leak to NYTs is the very next day.



    Liked by 2 people

  8. California Joe says:

    Rosenstein is one of their own! He always has been so for the New York Times to sacrifice him the ultimate target which is President Trump is worth the price to them!

    Liked by 1 person

  9. Cooper45 says:

    “Could it possibly be that elements within the deep state are targeting Rosenstein…”

    As outrageous as it would have seemed yesterday to believe this, it is not so difficult today. The daggers are flying in almost all directions and it is unknown where some will land.

    This is a clever observation and theory by SD.

    Liked by 1 person

    • jmclever says:

      Yes wrt targeting Rosenstein..The question is why. There may be more than one reason or only that he has outlived his usefulness. Read the whole nyt article and see what you think. Focus on the many ways the article disparages RR not just the wiretapping comment.


  10. southernmom19 says:

    So, the school of thought that says to not fire Rosenstein because this is a set up and it will cause chaos before the midterms, is acting like they’re not already inflicting chaos. The whole damn thing is a set up! The special council, the warrants, the Kavanaugh situation, etc. is ALL a set up. How is firing Rosenstein worse than keeping him? So much time and effort has been spent trying prove a negative throughout this presidency. Sessions needs to step up and fire Rosenstein. If he doesn’t, then Trump has to do it. They’re going to try to do to Trump what they did to JFK and attempted to do to Reagan. I’m fed up with being told that firing these traitors is worse than constantly having to deal with them inside our government. I call BS. It’s like watching conservatives apologize to leftists. It’s NEVER enough and you’ll never win. They won’t stop until your ruined.

    Liked by 4 people

    • What is RR going to do if he’s not fired? Continue as before, supervising Mueller? He’s more dangerous now left in place. Enough traitors were left in place that need to be dealt with. Why leave one in charge of Justice at this critical time?

      Liked by 2 people

    • Abel says:

      Southern mom! Yes!

      They’re full of it. Every “rule” of the elite is wrong.
      You can’t talk about building a wall.
      You can’t attack the media.
      You must appeal to the 6% in the middle even if it offends your base.
      Free trade and global economies where we get tariffed to hell are the only way.
      Now you can’t fire rosenstein!
      You can’t redact!
      Be patient! Wait!
      Act. Now.
      Redact. Get some scalps.
      I do think canning rosenstein is done after the election at 8am Eastern, but I agree with your logic. “They” don’t know what the hell theyre talking about.
      We do. We always have and we always will.

      Appease no liberal commie.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Ray Runge says:

      Rosey is a monkey in play. Rosey is now POTUS’s personal gopher or zombie. Such an uplifting and cynical twist to the nasty plot. POPCORN time.

      Liked by 1 person

  11. zooamerica says:

    Every inch of me WANTS the president to fire all of these criminals en masse….I think all of us have desired that pretty much since Day 1, but we all know it’s not that easy.

    The more I think about it, the only person President Trump fired was Comey – because he was base of the tree.

    Everyone else (McCabe, Strzok, Page, etc.) naturally fell after Comey was cut down.

    It’s a slow process, I know, but we have seen actual results…quietly, and painfully obvious.

    Last night I thought it’d be a great idea to fire all of these bastards before the midterms.

    I’ve changed my mind. President Trump doesn’t have to fire anyone because they’re all setting themselves on fire, figuratively.

    And just as I’m about to post this, President Trump just said, “They’re all gone, they’re all gone,” talking about the FBI.


    Liked by 4 people

    • AccountabilityPlease says:

      You’re right. No need to trash the board when your opponents are in check.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Abel says:

      He can not fire and indict.
      Get scalps by releasing all
      Info and then indict or declare you’re going to indict. And not some Huber bullshit indictment.
      I’m not so sure we’re controlling the board yet, the midterms are still up in the air with many too close to call over.
      Im with you though on being smart with the firings pre mid term. 8 am the next day…. boom time.

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  12. ATheoK says:

    “Rosenstein told officials in Andy McCabe’s office that he was willing to “wear a wire”, and solicit members of the Trump cabinet (Jeff Sessions, John Kelly) to invoke the 25th amendment”

    An indication that Rosenstein and likely McCabe consider Sessions to be on their side.

    “The senior official further said that the reference to invoking the Constitution to remove Trump comes from a post-meeting memo written by McCabe that said the deputy attorney general “raises 25th amendment” and that Page’s notes from the same meeting do not contain any similar note.”

    What an interesting straw man, from the organization(s) that kept two sets of books and modified forms to hide their intent.

    Liked by 1 person

  13. Golfbro11 says:

    I think Rosenstein May have flipped to Trumps side. He knows a lot in his position. He also was half heartedly defending Trump when Andy wanted to attack the President. President Trump values loyalty and Rosenstein has to choose between the deep state and MAGA. The NYT article tells me Rosie has chosen MAGA. Time will tell

    Liked by 2 people

    • Paco Loco says:

      Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!

      Liked by 1 person

    • Your Tour Guide says:

      Only scenario on Rosenstein flipping that comes to mind is the
      Rasputin scenario. Similar to what we might be seeing with Lindsay
      Graham now. The evil type that blackmails you to keep you in line
      is gone. ( McCain). Someone makes you an offer to redeem yourself,
      do what you had prepared to do before the evil type blackmailed you.

      Might have the spelling wrong here, but could easily see Rosenstein’s
      Rasputin as an underling. And, who’s the most ruthless and underhanded
      out of that bunch? Mueller? Meh- ( even though he’s a world class prick).
      More like Mueller’s partner in crime. The one that put 80,000 Arthur Anderson
      employees out on the street. And went home and got a good night’s sleep.

      Maybe this is YTG version of fantasy football, but if anyone was
      Rosenstein’s version of McCain, this would be who I would nominate.


  14. Pristach says:

    The problem with POTUS delaying declassification is that the most damaging revelations are coming out anyway and the msm is spinning them in a point/counterpoint manner. Just read NBC ‘Rosenstein was only joking’ article.

    If your not driving the message you will get run over. Paging Kimberly Strassel. This is your moment.


    • zooamerica says:

      I was glad the declassification got “delayed.”

      Timing is everything, it’s not even October yet.

      Why whip out the big guns now while the enemy makes themselves look, act, and sound like fools?

      Liked by 3 people

      • Abel says:

        Respectfully disagree.
        It’s essentially October. They’ll delay. They’ll release unredacted bullshit. The media will run the clock out for 10-15 days or more. The time is yesterday.
        You’d kill momentum and rallies with the competition….I’ve got lost of reasons as long as my arm for releasing and not many as to waiting…
        it’s too cute to wait until October. It’s great to be cute. Being cute is really clever, until it’s not.
        We’ve waited for the ig report, the mueller investigation, and sessions. It got us nowhere.


  15. JeePacorn says:

    Whatever happened to “the news is fake, but the leaks are real”?

    Barium pills, anyone?

    Liked by 1 person

  16. Rob says:

    Mueller and Rosenstein know their time is up, now that the truth is coming out. But they can’t resign or quit, that would not look good. They need Trump to fire them. Thus the NYT article today. Trump should not fire them, that would play into their plot.

    Liked by 3 people

  17. Child of Morning says:

    25th amendment thing gives this away. No half intelligent adult would consider going down that path and expecting anything but pain as reward. It’s a higher hurdle than impeachment and Senate trial. This could only come up in the context of sarcasm. Recall there were some nuts, rather psychologists, that were musing about calling POTUS mentally unfit. That lasted a week.

    Liked by 3 people

    • Liberty Forge says:

      The Dems have been trying to paint President Trump as mentally unfit from the very beginning. They’ve also mentioned the 25th Amendment occasionally since the beginning.

      Remember when we countered with VSG – Very Stable Genius? Also, remember that President Trump requested a “mental” exam as part of his first physical medical check-up by the White House Physician?

      That was Dr. Sonny Jackson, who declared President Trump to be extremely well fit — both mentally & physically.

      As a consequence of declaring President Trump in perfect health, Dr. Jackson had to be taken down — and the Dems did take him down (Tester). Dr. Jackson’s report of perfect mental & physical health needed to be “tainted”, so that if Dems do get the chance to try to use the 25th Amendment, that medical/mental report can be easily dismissed.


      • jmclever says:

        Excellent recall and analysis! Every puzzle piece brings clarification to the bigger picture!


      • ARW says:

        It’s the same damn McCabe MO repeated ad infinitum…create a fake document (FBI discussed 25th amend. in meeting which his “notes” mention Sessions and Kelly), McCabe leaks memo to the press so the press can claim officials in DOJ and WH are discussing removing president via 25th amendment. Page and RR, who were both there deny it. None of it is true or dilebratley taken out of context by McCabe. My belief…They got MCCabe…he’s in deep trouble for this BS. The NyT article is an attempt to save McCabe and their own hides for reporting the 25th amendment BS months ago.


  18. southernmom19 says:

    Dear Sessions,
    Rosenstein and Mueller are taking bong hits in the conference room. Please fire them now.

    Liked by 3 people

  19. Zorro says:

    No matter what happens Demosocialists are going to create chaos.


  20. Cindy says:

    I tend to believe it is the Freedom Caucus outing Rosenstein on the first of his conversations leading up his call for special counsel. Page testimony.


  21. Heika says:

    How about we all just have a bit of a think of ‘the consequences’ of Trump ‘reacting’ to this lure by the NYT (the deep state)? Hmm lets see now. It seems obvious – SACK ROSENSTEIN NOW… and you can hear it – its worked, Fox news, Laura all of them, sack him.. how dar he. Yeh, but hang on. This is what NYT wants right? They want to trigger Trump into a rage. But, if Trump sacks Rosenstein, now, who takes his place at this eleventh hour? Oh, right…another deeper swamp creature. Perfect because with the pressure on to release the Kraken (the documents), this gives the swamp another chance to stop the release. The Trump ‘chaos’, would be a good enough reason for the ‘relief DAG’ (swamp creature) to say… oh we need to hang on while we sort this out… and 5 weeks time is about the right amount of time. Trumps DOJ looks like a dogs breakfast and the optics on the ignorant electorate dont look good.

    So, my view now I have thought about it, is Trump reversing the declassification may well be his own ‘trick’ as Sundance points out. Anything the NYT promotes is poison. That is the red flag, and nothing more is needed to know sacking him would be a bad move right now.

    This is nothing other than an attempt to stall the declassification before the mid terms.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Heika says:

      Yeh and I agree Trump has far more leverage over Rosenstein and his guilt over what he has done in the FISA sign off. Rosy stays and has to try to earn the Presidents favour. Okay, I got it… For once I agree on almost 3D chess on this.


      • Amy2 says:

        RR will not try and earn the president’s favor. He may ACT like it, but he is a snake, and shedding his skin will not change that. He’s signed the FISA, he slow walked documents and his arrogance in front of Congress was palpable.


      • Tall Texan says:

        Yes but Jeff Sessions is still out hunting wascally wabbits…


      • Abel says:


        Agreed. Make them stay and be shamed and indicted. Fire them after the midterm at 8am. Make a BIG spectacle press Conference.
        Hell call them to some function or speech and then fire them in the middle of their public appearance.
        These assholes need to pay. If they don’t our country is in grave danger and we have the continued constitutional crisis.


  22. FanGirl says:

    My gut says to wait till the day after the election and clean house.

    Liked by 2 people

  23. rustybritches says:

    I am not sure what the right thing here is to do, But I believe that President Trump has got to decide what is the best for the country, However if it was me, I would fire all of them and that includes Sessions and I would appoint a new AG and a FBI director to be temp and if congress does not want to confirm them then I would just make them Zars and forget about getting them confirmed until later and go from there in cleaning up the mess and I wouldn’t give a big dam if the Dems screamed bloody murder This has to be his Gov and to heck with the rest of the people there
    They have been trying everything they can to get PT out of office and what a shame He has done much for the country and look at what he is trying to do to help the people running for office He cant help it if the Rino’s in congress want to tell everyone they stand away from him.

    they are going to be the ones that suffer in the end.. I feel sorry for all the pundits that have talked so badly about PT They in the end will suffer too..

    Liked by 1 person

  24. Howie says:

    Now I understand. Do not fire any of them. I got it. Expose them and leave them to fester. Like Gangrene.

    Liked by 2 people

  25. Davenh says:

    Interesting that there appears to be different narratives from different news organizations. NBC says rosey was joking, ABC claims he’s dead serious. Usually, they are in lockstep with each other. Perhaps it’s nothing, but can’t remember in recent memory when there was that much daylight between the MSM

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  26. Jeff says:

    “Luke, it’s a trap!”

    Liked by 1 person

  27. The question in my mind isn’t about that particular comment, which very well could have been sarcastic, but rather what was this meeting about, who all was there, and why was Rosie there in the first place.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Bill says:

      Agree. Maybe Lisa page can fill in the blank…


    • jmclever says:

      Right! The other notorious meeting that took place in “Andy’s office” was the one about the insurance policy. So we have a group plotting before the election to keep Trump out of office using a weaponized IC who also conspired to get rid of him once he was elected by invoking 25th amendment via framing him in some way, likely continuing to use their weaponized agencies. Who’s the leader of this group? imho it’s the same group because RR signed the last FISA.

      Also the timing of the story is suspect. Is the coup group afraid they are part of the O’Keefe sting and are.trying to direct the spotlight away from them?I

      If we have learned anything in the last two years, it’s that the leaked story is only the tiniest visible part of a huge plot. Unfortunately, it seems we’ve forgotten this in our battle fatigue and have settled for criticizing POTUS Trump’s timing and bashing AG Sessions.


  28. sysconfig says:

    I was giving Rod the old benefit of the doubt..but looks like it happened twice..seems NYT sources are the lisa page texts..This is why they want this stuff to stay redacted..its not about sources and methods its to keep misconduct hidden.

    Liked by 1 person

  29. RICHARD CANARY says:

    Sounds to me like Rosenstein’s question was an intentional “dog whistle” to anyone within hearing distance.

    It’s easy to pass it off as humor, but the printed words don’t have giggle marks on them, so he was stupid to say it, even though surrounded by fellow traitors.


  30. Jeff says:

    Refresh my fading aged memory. When was the last time the NYT told the truth about anything?

    Liked by 5 people

  31. ecmarsh says:

    Did the enemy finally realize that Rosenstein is our attorney general and the possum is his deputy?
    That is my opinion at this time.
    Five pounds of possum in my headlights tonight.

    Liked by 1 person

  32. railer says:

    Trump needs to blow this off in an insulting tweet about the failing NYT serving up more fake news, all denied by Rosenstein. He can fire Rosenstein at his leisure, no sense worrying about it right now.

    I believe the Mueller investigation has basically been under Trump’s thumb for some weeks now, ever since Mueller said written answers would be acceptable to him, with no sitdown required. And Rosenstein is now possibly under Trump’s thumb as well. If both are true, Trump gets an acceptable report out of Mueller, and Rosey gets Trump an acceptable report out of the IG, and we get some perp walks out of some of these Deep State malefactors.

    God help these Swamp miscreants if the D’s don’t take the House and Jordan becomes Speaker. Things could get festive. I can’t believe the Swamp would ever let Jordan become Speaker though.


  33. Bogeyfree says:

    IMO this is nothing more than an attempt to get PT ire up with the hopes that he over reacts and fires RR.

    Then if the Dims win the house, Mueller can play the obstruction card.

    IMO This is their final possible play in their delusional scheme of “Get Trump”


  34. Bill Hollinger says:

    I what what the Times is trying to achieve with this? It certainly looks like they are trying to goad Trump into firing him. BREAKING: Rosenstein Discussed Wearing a Wire in Plot to Take Down Trump — A SECOND TIME


  35. Bogeyfree says:

    IMO immediate declass and unredact of the documents requested this past Monday would have provided the final knock out blow coupled with huge American support prior to Nov but with PT’s pull back on declass, it gives them time and room to concoct a counter offensive possibly like this RR wire scam to trap PT into firing him.

    I see the potential leverage with Horowitz but don’t hold out a lot of hope, after all he was the guy after reviewing all those Strzok texts, who said basically, he’s bias but not too bias.

    IMO the tweener voters wanted clarity and to see hard proof on this whole frame job with names on paper and their possible crimes before they go to the polls in Nov or to early voting.

    Unfortunately they won’t get that IMO now as PT has bet he doesn’t need the tweeners or as many to win the house. It’s a big gamble and I hope his winning genius prevails.


  36. GB Bari says:

    Interesting that NO ONE in the WH, House or Senate are publicly pushing back on the nonsense being spread around like wildfire that POTUS firing RR would create a Constitutional crisis.

    THAT highly inflammatory messaging could easily incite dangerous reactions from the meatheads on the Left who know 10% or less about the conspiracy behind the attempted soft coup or what the Presidents Constitutional powers really are.

    The MSM is willingly allowing this highly flammable talk to spread and fester, even repeating it to add “credibility”.

    Needs to be doused with a bucket of reality.


  37. Paqul Killinger says:

    With the caveats that the NY Times and its sources cannot be believed, and that Rod Rosenstein is a “useful idiot”…

    There is one thing about this tale that bothers me — If Mr Rosenstein attended a meeting of senior FBI officials where the removal of a US President was being discussed, wouldn’t a rational person sworn to uphold the US Constituion have IMMEDIATELY TOLD HIM?

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  38. Trump Train says:

    LMAO Rosenstein getting owned by the fake news………hows it feel bitch………..who knows the truth though, but the NYT has no credibility so sadley the benefit of the doubt has to be with RR…………..

    I have faith in Trump in that he will not fall for this. The mistake they keep making is they think is a deranged idiot…………but they are so outgunned by Trump lol. Look where this man has gotten in life and who and what he had to deal with to get there. This isn’t his first title fight.


  39. Rhoda R says:

    Wasn’t McCabe fired for lying? I think Rosenstein is a weasel but I wouldn’t put any stock in an allegations from a known liar either.

    Liked by 1 person

    • SouthernTrumpette says:

      At first I wondered if McCabe may have made up the allegations against Rosenstein as reported in the NYT. But Rosenstein hasn’t denied saying that he wanted to wear a wire….only that he was being sarcastic when he said it.
      My head is spinning !


      • jmclever says:

        That was also my initial reaction. However, there others there (also part of the coup group) who were there whose texts are set to be released without redaction. As is the case many times, they may have leaked it themselves in order to steer the narrative in a preferred direction.

        Or even to take focus off the Veritas videos exposing corruption at DoJ and other federal agencies.


  40. Leane Kamari says:

    Why should NOW anyone believe the fake news NYT?
    Have a look at Mark Levin remarks which makes a lot more sense to me


  41. Rose says:

    Delicious, Rosie getting set up by the corrupt media and their deep state operatives. The stench of panic via the corrupt media is beyond anything I’ve ever smelt, they know their names will become public so they’re trying to take down a couple deep state operatives as a warning. Enjoy the show Rosie.


  42. jmclever says:

    After reading the linked NYT article all the way through, I have come up with a second theory. The deep state is not targeting Rosenstein for his own sake but it seems the allegations against Rosenstein are given in the context of firing Comey and appointment of the Special Counsel.

    The article states that Rosenstein felt that he was used (r e the memo that got Comey fired). The article goes.on to say that RR regretted writing the memo and that he wished Comey was still director.

    I have.long thought that the Rosenstein memo and Comey’s subsequent firing were planned in order to get a special counsel appointed. Their plan was that McCabe would be the new FBI director and the coup could continue in overdrive. Instead, Christopher Wray was chosen.

    I’m thinking that the NYT article is put out to get ahead of the revelations that RR’s memo, the firing of Comey based in RR’s memo and the SC appointment by RR were planned all along to remove a duly elected president.

    I’m thinking the SC frame job is about to be pinned on someone (McCabe?) and that someone is trying to shift blame to Rosenstein.

    From the NYT article (tho reading the whole thing would be better)

    “On a brisk May day, Mr. Rosenstein and his boss, Mr. Sessions, who had recused himself from the Russia investigation because of his role as a prominent Trump campaign supporter, joined Mr. Trump in the Oval Office. The president informed them of his plan to oust Mr. Comey. To the surprise of White House aides who were trying to talk the president out of it, Mr. Rosenstein embraced the idea, even offering to write the memo about the Clinton email inquiry. He turned it in shortly after.”

    Reread this earlier CTH article in light of the current redaction battle and the NYT article. Seems as if they are connected


  43. jeans2nd says:

    So many comments, not certain if this has been mentioned. Apologies if it has.
    This meeting at which RR allegedly remarked about wearing a wire and invoking the 25th amendment was 16 May 2017. The very next day, 17 May 2017, RR appointed Mueller as Special Counsel. Seems fairly obvious the firing of Comey was a setup. 23 May 2017 Brennan put the onus on Comey in Brennan’s testimony to HPSCI. Comey had become a problem, time for him to go. The 16 May 2017 meeting was another planning session for the Small Group.

    RR invoking the 25th amendment by using AG Sessions and Gen Kelly is not plausible. A Marine General being involved? Don’t make me laugh. AG Sessions going along is just as implausible. And that part was not in Lisa Page’s notes. Talking of wearing a wire? Sounds reasonable, and so does using that line as an angry retort.

    And now this NY Times story. This entire coup is becoming laughable. Too many chiefs, not enough Indians, reminds one of the Keystone cops.

    Your leverage theory is probably the correct one. But, consider – we need Kavanaugh confirmed first. Releasing those unredacted docs would cause such a furor it would take attention away from, and possibly postpone, the Kavanaugh confirmation. Thus the agreement for postponement of the unredacted doc release. Unredacted doc postponement has nothing to do with RR’s powers of persuation. Confirm Kavanaugh first, then release the unredacted docs at will. RR is just a convenient tool, for now.

    Would releasing the unredacted docs not hold the same leverage if released before the IG Report? Horowitz has already shown where his loyalties lie. Why would we expect anything different from Horowitz? Heck, Horowitz may feel the IG Report may control Pres Trump’s post-report behavior. The people are all bureaucrats, out for themselves, and themselves only. They could not care less who sits behind the Resolute Desk.

    Ever feel like we are living a bad Hollywood scriptwriter’s nightmare?
    Btw, do you really, really read all these comments? lolol


  44. Retired IG says:

    There is no use for ANYONE to WRAP THEMSELVES UP IN THEIR UNDERWEAR or around their personal mental axle over what Q might have said. Or what Rosenstein REALLY MEANT, or what or why PRES Trump decided to hold off on declassifications. Not a ONE OF US KNOWS. And it is great that all of us can SURMISE here. Thank you Sundance, for accepting my paltry offerings.
    In my own life, I see things unfolding in ways that confound me. Am still invested in the on-line world. But think I am so tired of reading about bullshit that my eyes and spirit hurt. I am not brain dead yet but what the fluck is next?
    Personal memoirs and now texts leaked from the NY Slimes from Comey, Brennan, Obama,and McCain – and now Rosenstein??? Give me a flucking break.
    The only soap opera I have watched in my lifetime was “Dark Shadows.” The Vampire Barnabas trying to suck on Victoria with a lot of other players getting sucked up into the drama.
    But then again I was once a cocktail waitress serving drinks and hor devoures to a crowd in D.C that drank heavily, early and often and mostly stopped talking when I came to their table. These people are probably in their 80’s or 90’s now. AT least for me, ,I’ve personally witnessnesed subterfuge and innuendo has been flying around and within D.C. since about the time I was 20 years old. Not bragging,. Really wish I could rewind the camera and red–do a lot in my life back then.
    Don’t know anything except that you have to trust your perceptions and question when you get feedback that your viewpoint on things going on in this universe don’t have an impact.
    Please just be good, don’t be mean. MAGA


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