Point: Why Do Foreign Countries Need Lobbyists? Isn’t That What Embassies and Ambassadors are For?

The big-eared British guy wearing Linus’s T-Shirt does have a point; and asks the same question CTH has pondered before: Why do foreign governments need lobbyists?

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144 Responses to Point: Why Do Foreign Countries Need Lobbyists? Isn’t That What Embassies and Ambassadors are For?

  1. truthbomb says:

    No, and that’s why “Russian interference” is such a joke when there are much more nefarious activities going on by many foreign countries to rob the American people. Congress to the people – “look over here!”.

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    • glissmeister says:

      Or that’s why “Russian interference” enjoys such bipartisan support.

      Liked by 3 people

      • Jedi9 says:

        The Mid-terms and subsequent elections to follow should be a referendum on who sold out to the Chinese period. Its no wonder that not one congressional and Senate leader was available for comment, because they wouldn’t be able to explain it away. It is what it is, they sold out the American people while committing corporate treason. Glad the “Swamp Report” is starting to bring attention to it, and as the Trade war with China picks up intensity more and more will be exposed! This is what really sickens me to my core!

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        • trialbytruth says:

          I fairness if they were asking POTUS the open ended question did you ever meet with we would consider it a perjury trap.

          Lobbiest are so ingrained into the washiington scene I am sure answering that question with certainty would be a her clean task of record searches and party seating charts.

          Time to stop.the lobbiest game “no more hired guns period” if US steel needs help send the CEO. Require Congress to report all meetings.with anyone.

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        • Heads up!!! Bernie Sanders and NY socialist Cortez are in Michigan campaigning for the election of a muslim govenor. We cannot allow any more infiltration to local and state governments. This is the problem and the reason why there is so much conflict and sedition across the board. Am not negating the multinationalist MSM, judicial treason and brainwashing educators however, this kind of treason will result in slow poisoning from within. Look at England, Belgium, Sweden and many more. Death by a thousand cuts

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        • CharterOakie says:

          Ross Perot hammered away on this very issue in his ‘92 presidential run and subsequetly. He even wrote a book focusing on the issue of lobbyists working in D.C. for foreign governments and corporations: “Not For Sale At Any Price.”

          Ahead of his time, but absolutely right on.

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          • Judiciary says:

            Sorry, CharterOakie, Ross Perot was an abortion loving lunatic.

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            • SwampRatTerrier says:

              The answer to SD’s question is “They don’t unless they’re Corrupt?”

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            • CharterOakie says:

              That’s not true. His wife was involved with Planned Parenthood; I get that.
              But neither of them was “an abortion loving lunatic.”

              In any event your comment is completely beside the point of this thread.

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              • frankie says:

                Being a part of Planned Parenthood makes you an abortion loving lunatic by definition. Wear it, Mrs. P.

                Ross was nuts for another reason. He dropped out of the race in 1992, claiming Black Panthers were going to disrupt his daughter’s wedding. If so, then why didn’t he hire armed guards? And have his daugther marry and party in a secure venue?

                Perot could have had a lot to offer. He loved America, and was charitable and bold in a number of ways. But in his case, genius and insanity were in close proximimity.

                He was not the VSG Our Lion is.

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            • TexasDude says:

              And the one issue zeolots voiced their concern.

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  2. Paul Killinger says:

    They weren’t effective enough in bringing home the bacon. They needed specialists to spread a lot more cash around.

    As for us, it took the loss of several million jobs before we had the sense to elect a President to challenge this new status quo.

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    • suejeanne1 says:

      When you read about medicines for treating high blood pressure being made in China . . .

      when you learn that a cosmetic company stopped using American companies for their packaging and now have that done in China . . .

      when you learn that pet food products were made in China that resulted in the deaths of beloved pets here in America and it turns out they were using wallboard – or something – instead of what was supposed to go in there . . .

      you think to yourself, “how did this even happen – shouldn’t there have a been a law in place which would forbid this?

      Medicines, cosmetics, pet foods manufactured possibly under conditions which would be illegal here – who got to who and how did that oversight on behalf of the American people get taken away?

      There is no possible way the FDA could examine the conditions under which those blood pressure medicines are produced, for example . . . so, why is it okay for these made-in-China medicines to be sold to Americans (I understand they are through the mail-order type used by many patients on Medicare).

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      • HollowofHishand says:

        Speaking of wallboard – back in 2014 the government released a report showing that wallboard made in China and installed in over 20,000 US homes was causing a lot of health problems. When we built out new home in 2016 we asked the builder to guarantee that the wallboard was not from China. He said that no reputable builder would use it and that most places were no longer selling it.

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      • Jim in TN says:

        Insurance companies were doing mail order drugs before Medicare. First it was an option to save us money. Then it was mandatory for maintenance drugs.

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      • MVW says:

        US pharma monopolies extort by trade barriers. Big Crony business leads to desperate Americans. The guy that weed-eats for $10/hr ays $850/month in drugs. Insurance drug plans are a joke, part of the scam.

        China is not the problem, Gruberment / Pharma cabal is.

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      • Mary Morse says:

        The academics referred to it as “leap-frogging technology”.

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      • G. Combs says:

        “….There is no possible way the FDA could examine the conditions under which those blood pressure medicines are produced, for example….”

        The FDA doesn’t inspect.
        From the New York Times article “The Safety Gap” written by Gardiner Harris, 11/2/2008

        “This year, 18.2 million shipments of food, devices, cosmetics and drugs are expected to enter more than 300 U.S. ports; the FDA. had 454 investigators in 2007 — one and a half per port — to scrutinize them..”

        “China’s leap to one of the biggest suppliers of pharmaceutical ingredients in the world over the last decade [note the date], Generic drug makers in the United States, where price competition is fierce, were the first to seek cheaper drug ingredients…Over the past six years, the F.D.A. has managed to inspect annually an average of just 15 of the 714 Chinese drug plants that export to the United States. At its present pace, the FDA. would need more than 50 years to visit all Chinese plants. By contrast, the FDA. inspects domestic drug plants every 2.7 years ”

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    • SwampRatTerrier says:

      That’s why lawyers and professional politicians should never be elected for anything. LoL

      Liked by 2 people

  3. FofBW says:

    Easier to pay the bribes to our Congressmen.

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Even…Rand Paul?!

      Oh noes, say it ain’t so!

      Rand Paul was one of those who “refused to answer” the Question of:
      ‘Have you ever met with foreign lobbyists?’

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      • snellvillebob says:

        Everyone in Congress is afraid of being treated like Jeff Sessions who when asked if he had been in contact answered no. They then found a photo of him shaking the hand of the Russian Ambassador at a event and called him a liar. The democrats to get a single very short feel good moment lowered the social standards for all of Congress perhaps for good.

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        • thedoc00 says:

          You need to back up and add context to the question Jeff Sessions answered. He was asked that question in the context of colluding with Russians to influence the 2016 elections. Jeff Sessions never denied talking to foreign lobbyists or diplomats.

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      • Because he likely has met with foreign lobbyists, but there is nothing inherently suspicious in doing so and it shouldn’t be treated as such. You might be suspicious of lobbying by particular nations, but as long as foreign lobbying is legal, lobbying is going to take place.

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      • jmclever says:

        Meeting with a lobbyist is different than getting in bed with them, so to speak. That is what they are trying to frame Donald Jr with just because he took a meeting with a Russian lawyer. Nothing came of it. Same could apply to any Senator. Just meeting is not a crime or an indication of corruption.

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    • Beau Geste says:

      Exactly! lobbyists are a bribe channel of”trusted” bribers who are willing to go to jail to protect their bribees.

      We should have a tax of 75% on all lobbyist bribe money. That way the “unconnected” public taxpayer gets some benefit. (remember 90% tax rate under first Kennedy year?)

      And a “special Counsel” whose job it is to ferret out unpaid tax on bribes to congresscritters

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    • Carrie2 says:

      FofBW, think about how many in Congress go in with little money or maybe a bit, but become millionaires pretty darn quickly by not representing us but outside donors via the lobbyists and why Trump has said no one can become a lobbyist for 5 yrs. I sure hope this gets done because tired of more than 2 terms, many well past sell by date, or ignorant of who they employ, i.e., Feinstein 20 yrs. with an Asian driver and sometime errand runner and didn’t know it? Yep, just the empty heads but greedy hearts we need in Congress as elected employees who think we are dumber than dirt and, yes, they can be removed!

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  4. Trumpstumper says:

    Ummm, ok, I’ll take “Who writes our legislation” for $500, please Alex.

    Liked by 10 people

  5. Robert Smith says:

    I just watched this off a flep post. It was exactly what I was wondering. This should be illegal!

    At least keep our swamp to ourselves.

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    • GB Bari says:

      Yes but, it’s the Congress who would have to pass the bill to make it illegal

      The people who benefit from it remaing legal are the ones who write the bills (lobbyists) and the lawmakers (Congress) who vote on the bills and modify/amend them.

      I’m sure you can see the conundrum……

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      • wheatietoo says:

        That’s why it has to be exposed.

        Exposed all at once, for maximum effect.
        Maximum shaming.

        Like when the Congressional Post Office Scandal hit…
        They were all hit with the high-beams at the same time.

        They tried to scurry around like cockroaches…but there was nowhere to hide.

        Then, they quickly passed a new law to prevent it from happening again.
        That way…they could all say:
        “See there! We did something about it!”

        Maximum exposure.
        That’s what we need.

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        • GB Bari says:

          Definitely agree!

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          • Geoff Goedde says:

            You all may recall “front running” from a couple of years ago. Back then, Congress actually passed a law permitting themselves (and their staffs) to buy/sell/trade stocks/bonds/ securities using their foreknowledge of what would happen to certain values, when legislation was passed that affected it. They killed this little piece of illicit legislation only after it was exposed. None were jailed; even the originator of the bill was exempted from prosecution.

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        • GB Bari says:

          So, how do we expose these bribe-takers?

          Lois Lerner & Co. were widely publicized when they blocked conservative organizations from obtaining tax exempt status.

          The Democrats have openly screamed to expose PDJT’s tax returns, but are silent about their own returns. Republicans are just silent. Hiding out in the tall grass.

          We are told that Congress members accept bribes. It seems pretty obvious that they do.

          Shouldn’t there be a massive effort underway to expose these bribes and how members of Congress have increased their net worth and asset holdings far beyond what can be explained?

          Here’s a chance for the deep state to somewhat redeem themselves. Produce and leak the evidence to the alternative media.

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      • Robert Smith says:

        The only way is tell it to the people. Term limits and kill foreign lobbying.

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      • Carrie2 says:

        GB Bari, we may have to vote for the greedies in November to win both Houses, but after that inform them they will be fired for any outsider money and if more than 2 terms and all lifetime benefits removed. Time to remind them of why they were hired!

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    • MVW says:

      Simple, China will buy a multinational, base it in NYC, then use it to lobby. Who is going to investigate? The FBI????!!!!

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  6. Shiggz says:

    When lobbyists replace ambassadors you know predictable collapse of a dirty system and one world government promising universal interests are not far behind.

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  7. PDXpatriot says:

    Seems like this same scenario happens with ENGO’s as well. The NRDC is paid by China to lobby congress to slow large scale developments, or even stop them all together. Pebble mine is a good example. Northern Dynasty Minerals had a pre emptive veto placed on their project before they could start the permitting process.

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  8. The Boss says:

    Seems clear that this sort of arrangement by legislators usurps the constitutional power of the executive branch to conduct foreign policy. Massive fines, asset forfeiture, prison time and lifetime bans on lobbying will help correct this situation.

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  9. trapper says:

    The obverse is, why do our elected representatives have no apparent resistance to being paid to sell out the interests of the American citizens who elected them? I don’t blame the bribe payer so much as the bribe taker. No one MAKES them take the money. No one MAKES them pass legislation that incentivizes American companies to offshore their manufacturing. No one MAKES them try to pass illegal alien amnesty. No one MAKES them corrupt. They sell us out willingly. For money.

    When in the course of human events ….

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    • Greedy politicians go back a long way. Oliver Cromwell put his finger on it, as succinctly as anyone, five hundred years ago.

      –“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place,
      which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice.

      Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.

      Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money….”
      http://www.emersonkent.com/speeches/dismissal_of_the_rump_parliament.htm

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    • snellvillebob says:

      Two bills in Congress right now. One modifies the Trade Expansion Act of 1962
      https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HEY18252.pdf
      This takes away the power to levy tariffs from the office of the president and gives it to Congress.
      And the Automotive Jobs Act of 2018:
      https://www.scribd.com/document/384696745/Automotive-Jobs-Act-of-2018. This takes away the job of investigating if the importing of cars affects our national security and gives it to a small congressional committee currently consisting of two Republicans and two Democrats which means there will never be a majority decision unless it is against America (Democratic).
      RINOs like Jeff Flake Introduced this legislation. Need I say more. Write to your Congressmen and put them on notice that we elect them not China.

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      • G. Combs says:

        Actually tell them you consider Congressmen who support COMMUNIST CHINA’s interests instead of the interest of US citizens TRAITORS!

        The Tree of Liberty needs watering me thinks.

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  10. WSB says:

    I watched Steve Hilton tonight. I never know what to make of him. He is always teetering between fake Conservatiism, Libertarianism, and just faulty Britishism.

    But tonight, this comment stuck. Where did we change from foreign relations to foreign infiltration? When our political class was handed a wad of cash to look the other way.

    Oldest profession in the world, and every other country has been doing it a lot longer. Now, we just have to be the first to destroy it.

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    • Deplorable_Infidel says:

      “I watched Steve Hilton tonight.”

      I heard a little bit of that. He annoys me by using the term “democracy” to describe our country, instead of “constitutional republic”, which he did again tonight.

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      • WSB says:

        Part of that reason is that ‘Steve’ has not really done much research on exactly why we separated from the Mother Ship in the first place. He is a bit mixed up.

        But then again, didn’t he work for Tony Blair? Ha!

        I would be mixed up, too!

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      • HollowofHishand says:

        I think the confusion stems from the fact that we elect our representatives and they pass laws using a majority (the number differs with the rule applied to the procedure).
        However, the power of the majority is constrained by the constitution. The majority in power is not the “last day”, the constitution is.
        BUT we no longer live is a constitutional republic but the pure democracy that our founders warned against. The majority in power has the ability to change laws to impose its will by stacking the courts to interpret the constitution the way the majority wants.
        This is exactly why the Dems and prigressives want the constitution to be considered a living thing that must change with the times. It would give them a lot of wiggle room to enforce their views on others (like they don’t already – eyes rolling).
        The only thing that keeps us afloat from this horrific future is the separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches. See how hard the dems are working to tear that down?

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        • Deplorable Patriot says:

          The confusion comes because politicians are using the wrong terminology on purpose. Words mean things, and the first salvo in attacking truth is to change the language describing it. Water it down for the masses and they forget what the real truth is.

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          • rashomon says:

            The same goes for our history as in why we entered past wars, why the Federal Reserve, why our immigration laws no longer require sponsors and various checks, why anchor babies, why why why. Our youth need to be educated in debate vs. pontificating; take a topic and give three different viewpoints on the issue. Support each of the three before reaching a concllusion. Research. Think. Analyze. Critique. This is why Q attracts; one remembers more when having to research and analyze vs. simply being told what to think.

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        • Mark McQueen says:

          Yes. Obama had the power to do anything he wanted. Trump doesn’t have the authority to change a light bulb in the Oval Office.

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    • Indeed, we absolutely have to stop all foreign money from buying political ads and from buying DC politicians. The current situation is insane.

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  11. Impossible says:

    The United States already offers a generous method for a timely transition of technology transfer to the rest of the world: through our university system. I know some of the highly-informed posters here might balk at this, but it provides a rationale, diffused, and cost-effective way to share knowledge and build a fairly strong respect between nations. Politicians, through their access to outsized, disingenuous financial gain, should not short circuit the process. In other words they are stealing directly from the bank of another extremely valuable American resource, our intellectual property. Consider a student who comes here (say, from China) pays full tuition at the best schools (upward of $300,000), then properly applies for a year of practical training (serving US industry), then applies for a three year Visa (another 10,000), continues in to a masters degree (180,000. more dollars). About 30% of these remain in US and provide more value to our technical fields. From my history of teaching it builds friendships. And we are earning millions/billions on our knowledge base. Purloined technology through congressional and post-congressional methods probably costs our nation at a ration of 1000 to one; worse it goes, by way of avarice, to the most counter-productive, least creative, and most corrupt individuals.

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    • WSB says:

      I hate to be snarky, Impossible, but my last visit to my Alma Mater for my reunion studio tour was astonishing.

      Everyone except two were Chinese.

      I expect them all to be spies, and the Chinese government is spending the money.

      The only joy I get out of this is that our Marxist teachers are teaching the Chinese spies nothing except that which they already know! Teaching Maoism to Maouists! LOL!

      😁 👍 🇺🇸

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      • Impossible says:

        WSB! Snarkiness accepted and understood; as I look at three decades of demographic shifts I’m alltimes amazed at the degeee of resilience many of these students have had against “activist” faculty… the most talented and hardworking intuitively understand that these teachers are to be avoided. Perhaps, though, the agitprop will become an ironic, unintended, secret weapon, as our ever-aggrieved faculty facilitate a great hoard of discontents: unleashed and repatriated to their lands of origin.

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        • WSB says:

          We need to hope and fight to change all of the bad things, don’t we, Impossible!

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          • Impossible says:

            Yes. I’ve been behind enemy lines my whole life. It’s true that in academe the massy bulk lean ever leftward. I’ve saved about 150/200 students from the pits of despair. The good news is that all of the best and brightest smell (not showing any bias here, of course) the putrid hypocrisy. They run from it and prosper — I shall fight until the last breath, my optimism has dimmed (a smidgeon), but I’ve got a decade or two (Lord willing) left in the tank…

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            • JmkNY says:

              Impossible and WSB: the Chinese government identifies kids to send to America as young as age 7. They pay families the equivalent of $5k per month to send them to school here. As a communist country, only loyal citizens will likely get that privilege. The kids eventually get hired by a dumb company hoping to save a few bucks and everything about that company is funneled back to China.
              My kids school I had a group of these such “exchange students “. They don’t interact with the American kids, ostracize any Chinese student who does and think they are better than everyone. 50% failed last year because the didn’t think they actually had to study and the organization hosting them didn’t think they had to make them study.

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            • WSB says:

              May God bless you! Kind of like the underground railroad!

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      • Tesla Coiled says:

        I have to counter, just a little bit.
        Yesterday was my Dear Shanghi born wife’s 30th anniversary of becoming an American. It was a very big deal for her.
        Many (many many) of her friends send all of their kids here for college, and push them to ex-pat. Many have visited our house, and ask her to watch over their kids.
        Dear Wife always says “China will never have a war with USA. Anyone successful sent their entire family here.”
        And, if you know where to look, you can find video of her standing proudly with the yuge “Chinese Americans for Trump” banner at the “Virginia Midnight Rally.”

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      • Carrie2 says:

        WSB, they come for more education and are not spies, but generally are hired here because they have been taught since age 3 to study, learn and move up. They want to be citizens here and live our freer life style, and because they also want to practice a religion that pertains to God in their lives. The Mao era is long gone, thank God, but one good thing he did do was making being education a law. There are still a few communists and aging as I write but China today is into business, big and small and not all owned by the government.

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        • WSB says:

          I wish I had your bright side. But after working for decades with the Chinese. HongKongers, and many others throughout SEA, I wish I could have your same outlook!

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    • Deplorable Patriot says:

      The Bayh-Dole act in 1980 did that. Transferred innovation and creativity from the commercial R & D labs to the university. HUGE MISTAKE given that the technology we are currently coasting on all came from AT&T, Bell Labs, Xerox, etc. There was an incentive to have a huge payoff with the science being done. Universities don’t work that way. They make money from grants.

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      • Impossible says:

        Deplorable: true on the grant work, sometimes school labs also work under contract (many times US citizens only). Another “twist” in the system is that research done under the dime of the US taxpayer, for the most part, becomes legally free and available to all taxpayers. So free to American citizens by default becomes free to the world. The US is the only country, to my knowledge, that has this policy. I often wondered what it would have looked like if the US licensed the internet (at very competitive rates, of course) to the rest of the world.

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    • Arthur says:

      “we are earning millions/billions on our knowledge base…”.

      Sweet naivete. Yeah, earn millions until the “students” (future spies) get back to the motherland and spew out everything they’ve seen and learnt while “serving US industry”.

      Next thing you know, a “Made in USA” product that feeds thousands and their families is on the market as a Chinese replica, at 20% of the price.
      And so POOF ! thousands of jobs, and POOF ! the millions of $$ you thought you made of them, and POOF ! here are taxes lost, communities destroyed, debt through the roof.

      Who and why do you think pays the hundreds of thousands of $$ for those “students” education ? Their Chinese family that makes like $10K/year, if that ?

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  12. Beenthere says:

    First it was Israel, then the Arab/Muslim countries, & now China. Who’s next?

    Didn’t McCain /Dodd introduce legislature to make all this lobbying ok & Clinton or Bush signed it?

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    • svenwg says:

      If McStain had his grubby paws on it, it is corrupt to the core. The man is nothing but a traitor to the USA 🇺🇸 and should have been shot as one when he, the Songbird of Hanoi, returned to his homeland.

      The President that granted him a Pardon should have been standing next to him, it would have saved Americans a lot of pain.

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      • snellvillebob says:

        Our Defense appropiation this year is called: “John S. McCain National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2019”. One has to wonder if he will show up to vote for it.

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  13. bessie2003 says:

    Interesting. Was just reading about Saudi Arabia kicking out the Canadian Ambassador and was deep in thought about the role nation’s ambassadors play vs. the play that big business has to do with foreign relations; thinking Canada is being hit from many different sides, not just the US re: not inviting Canada into the US/Mexico NAFTA talks, but now a hit by Saudi Arabia.

    Here’s the article about Canada and Saudi Arabia:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-expels-canadian-envoy-recalls-own-over-interference-003432485.html

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  14. Burnt Toast says:

    Payola, bribes, and kickbacks.

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  15. Elric VIII says:

    We know why foreign lobbyists spend so much to influence Congress. That’s why we elected Donald Trump as President. He’s trying to put a stop to this BS. Congressmen should be ashamed, but they’re not. Because $$$$$$$

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  16. fleporeblog says:

    Folks the Chinese this past few weeks have seen all their lobbying efforts be destroyed by the Sledgehammer of Truth!

    Another Treeper (Abdiesus) posted the following to my post on the previous thread:

    In light of what Sundance has written about China’s normal public behavior in the article above, I wonder what underlying data or issue is causing China to escalate the verbal battle so sharply at this particular moment? It almost seems like they’ve been triggered by something, but what? Is it just the Chinese stock market dropping – and Trump tweeting about it? Perhaps that plus something else they know about the seriousness of their predicament that is causing the uncharacteristically harsh language? Maybe Trump (knowingly or unknowingly?) touched a sore spot?

    He than said my post sharing the following might have answered his question.

    Our President drove the Dragon 🐉 crazy 😜 yesterday when he let out a little secret about what will happen to our real GDP rate once he shrinks the deficit. He knows it and the Dragon 🐉 knows it!

    China 🇨🇳 will see a reduction of 3% to 4% to their real GDP rate!

    I think 🤔 this statement did it! There is a cause and effect to our GDP and theirs. By squeezing them with tariffs of 10% on the first $50 billion coupled with the proposed 25% on the next $200 billion and what I believe maybe as high as 50% on the remaining $250 billion, our President is swinging our GDP up and killing China’s GDP.

    Let’s look at the math:

    USA 🇺🇸 Tariffs on China’s:

    $50 billion x 10% tariffs = $5 billion dollars to our Government
    $200 billion x 25% = $50 billion dollars to our Government
    $250 billion x (being a bit conservative) 37.5% = $93.375 billion dollars to our Government

    China 🇨🇳 Tariffs on USA’s:

    $50 billion x 10% tariffs = $5 billion dollars to their Government
    $60 billion x 25% = $15 billion dollars to their Government
    $40 billion x (THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT) 37.5% = $15 billion dollars to their Government

    That totals $148.375 billion dollars in tariffs for our Government versus $35 billion dollars to their Government.

    That shrinks the deficit by $113.375 billion dollars a year.

    What does that mean for real GDP rate? Just last Quarter we shrunk the deficit by $53 billion dollars and it added 1.16% to the 4.1%. Please keep in mind with my math above, China 🇨🇳 and the USA 🇺🇸 brought in the same $5 billion in tariffs. They washed each other out.

    However, going forward, that isn’t the case! Your talking about an additional 2.32% real GDP rate for each year using the tariffs on China 🇨🇳 and them losing that same percentage.

    He was absolutely right that WE CAN’T LOSE!

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    • abdiesus says:

      I think you are right, Flep – and this also ties in with what Sundance has said about China viewing everything as a zero-sum game – e.g. if we win x%, they lose the same x%. Though often such thinking ignores the possibility of trade agreements which provide mutual benefit for both parties, of course in this case of US GDP, when we are China’s biggest customer by far, I believe they, and you, are right: what we gain in % GDP, they will lose approximately the same % GDP.

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    • WSB says:

      Felice, China’s numbers are not real on the first place. Paper tiger. This will be an interesting fall.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      The Chinese lobbying efforts are destroyed? Nothing you cited will stop the Chinese, or anyone else, from lobbying Congress.

      The first thing Canada did when NAFTA negotiations started going bad was send teams of lobbyists to Congress. Tony Podesta may have closed his lobbying firm, but they just reopened under a different name. And so on.

      One man in eight years cannot change Congress, even when a ban on lobbying is included for all who are part of his administration. Only we can change Congress. Unless and until all the Congressional lobbying is stopped, the rot will continue.

      We need ideas on how to stop the lobbying. We conquered filling the Presidency with an honorable man. Now we need ideas and solutions to clean up the Uniparty CONgress.

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      • cbjoasurf says:

        First Phase of the cleanup is the mid-terms in 2018. Replacing the RINO’s with #MAGA Rep’s And Senators loyal to Americans. If we can get a super majority in BOTH houses the AMERICANS win bigly with Term Limits, Honest Immigration Reform, Lobbying CONTROLS, Trade Reform backed by both houses,…, etc.

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      • Geoff Goedde says:

        Firing squads, gallows, one way trips to Gitmo. Clearly shaming them doesn’t work. Permitting them to quit or retire on our dime is not going to have the desired effect.

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    • snellvillebob says:

      You have to look at what China loses when we win. Say our idea of winning is zero tariffs, thefts of IP, subsidies and other means of blocking trade. We are both equal. Well only one fifth of China’s trade is with us and if they are treating the other four fifths the same as they have been treating us then they will want the same treatment. This could cost them 3-4 times what they lose with us.

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  17. Grandma Covfefe says:

    Foreign countries need lobbyists to run a Congressional scam on WeThePeople.

    Thanks to President Trump, his MAGA Team and Sundance, we all are becoming aware of how corrupted our government is, esp. the useless, traitorous Uni-party

    Thank You, Lord, for President Trump and Sundance.

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  18. JoD says:

    Isn’t Mitch up to his carapace in China business?

    Liked by 5 people

  19. Troublemaker10 says:

    Congress should atleast be required to be transparent about what foreign lobbyists they met with and issue discussed.

    Liked by 1 person

  20. joeknuckles says:

    Isn’t this a matter of national security?

    Can it be addressed with an EO?

    Liked by 5 people

  21. cthulhu says:

    Ask yourself, “what proportion of the world’s nations could do more to juice their GDP with $1 of lobbying (AKA “bribery”) in the US than $1 of spending in their economy?” Now, assume that all of them have been doing so.

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  22. Donna in Oregon says:

    Congress makes laws.

    Why does anyone bother to ask why Foreign Lobbyists aren’t illegal.

    Isn’t it obvious?

    Why aren’t they in jail? Has anyone heard of these corrupted Law
    Enforcement officials? McCabe/Strozk/Comey/Rosenstein/Wray/Mueller/Lynch/Holder/…..shall I go on?

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  23. Paul B. says:

    > Squire Patton Boggs

    On a hunch, I checked, and sure enough, Boggs is the brother of Cokie Roberts.

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  24. hellinahandbasket says:

    G L O B A L I S M . . . that’s why.
    The swamp is not just the USofA, it stretches far and wide.
    The B I G picture is beginning to come into view.
    And I suspect there’s more to notice in that picture.

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  25. HollowofHishand says:

    I would encourage all the readers here to email their congress people and ask that same question. Did you ever meet with a lobbyist for the Chinese government or a Chinese company?
    You wont get a reply, but they will know you are watching. AND they know that, come election time, if the accusation is hurled at them that they would not answer that question, this is far worse than a ‘yes’ with an explanation.

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    • jeans2nd says:

      Excellent idea Hollow, thank you. Calling every office your Congressman has might also be worthwhile.

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      • Geoff Goedde says:

        In your memo to your Congresscritter, you might include something along the lines of: If you accepted any monies from China directly or indirectly (or any other enemy of the USA) you are hereby considered a traitor. Nothing beneficial to citizens of the USA comes from it. Act accordingly.

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        • snellvillebob says:

          According to the Congressional Crime Cartel, the single most important function of any Congressman is to raise money for the party. Those who raise the most get the best committee assignments. Traditionally the speakers of the Senate and House collect the most. These same speakers can allocate more or no monies to the candidates they like the most. Its the eco-system of the Swamp.

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        • jeans2nd says:

          Excellent! Thank you for the idea.

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  26. wodiej says:

    I think lobbying should be banned from appearing in Congress or anywhere near DC. If you want funding for something, fill out paperwork. Trump should have a small department to handle these types of requests. Congress holds the purse strings which I am adamantly against. If we had enough honest, decent people in Congress it wouldn’t be an issue. But we don’t. And until term limits are implemented, we won’t have.

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  27. jephfree says:

    Republican
    In
    China
    Hands

    Republican
    In
    Name
    Only

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  28. digleigh says:

    Remember…. Russia’s economy is only half of Texas, but China is half of USA’s!! More lobbyists and more money flowing, and more stealing of our technology, and intellectual property….Trump is right ….We built up this powerhouse with our tax dollars!!! NO MORE!!!

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  29. MVW says:

    Six of one, half dozen of the other. One crook vs the other. Front door, back door, side door.

    Laws are useless with bent DOJ, FBI. And Americans are being skinned alive by the Medical Industrial complex… Big Pharma – Big Insurance – LISCENSED Quacks – FDA… one big monopoly.

    Result? 60% of Americans being TREATED for at least one chronic disease with a pharma drug. 12.5% for 5 or more chronic diseases. No cures, just ‘Treatments,’ management of symptoms.

    Shakedown by home grown institutionalized legal crooks.

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  30. dekester says:

    Up here in Canada many have been aware of the incredible corruption involving the Chinese for decades.
    Of course the complicit, and corrupted media never cover the story.
    Anyone who challenges what’s going on, is immediately attacked as being racist etc.
    Expo 86 was in Vancouver B.C., shortly thereafter, a Hong Kong/ Chinese entity bought the Expo lands for peanuts from our government. The company that now runs the real estate development company is called Concord Pacific.
    Local developers were shut out of the process.

    The cities Mayor became our Premier, and last I heard is now the Ambassador to London.

    Major English speaking cities of the world have been targeted by the Chinese, whether it be San Francisco, London, Melbourne, Sydney or Toronto.
    The outcome is the same. Chinese students are paid by their government to “ settle” get educated and prosper.
    Real estate values sky rocket and a cities demographic shifts.

    That said, rumour has it that the spigot has been turned off for now. Likely because of your wonderful President.
    Just across the street from us. Sit three houses each valued at approx $2.2 million (Can) All three are owned by Chinese. Old 60’s bungalows previously sat on those lots, they were demolished and were replaced by box like new builds.
    One is inhabited only on weekends, the other two are vacant and for sale. Occasionally we see a “ caretaker” always Chinese. Drive up in a BMW ( M) series or Range Rover. They pick a few weeds, and water the plants and take off.

    It really is quite a remarkable site to behold.

    As CTH supporters know China is now paying off leaders of various African nations. ( no coincidence your P44 has been there recently.) primarily to access strategic minerals, and my guess is to access through their communist brethren in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those countries rich farmland.

    An old Chinese saying goes something like this. “ democracy, an interesting concept, look at it in a few hundred years and see how it worked out.”

    As PDJT often says, he doesn’t blame the Chinese. He blames your stupid leaders. Ours may be dumber, or bribed for even less cash.

    “ may you live in interesting times” under PDJT they sure are.

    God bless PDJT.

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  31. “The big-eared British guy wearing Linus’s T-Shirt …”

    LMAO!!!

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  32. TwoLaine says:

    You need to ADD the total amount spent on lobbying PLUS the total amount spent on political campaigns = YUGE $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Think about what could be done with all this $$$ if it were actually spent ON THE PEOPLE.

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  33. Mike diamond says:

    it was never about Monica and Bill clinton,that was minor! The real story was Bill gave, all our secrets to china!

    Liked by 1 person

  34. auscitizenmom says:

    Such a good, important question.

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  35. 10buck2 says:

    Well, this certainly helps to explain how so many congressmen and women become millionaires while ‘serving’ our nations best interests in the swamp of DC.

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  36. railer says:

    I wonder if Feinstein will actually get voted out this election. Let’s hope so. Every Swamp creature has to go, of every stripe. Even that socialist gal in NY is an improvement over the guy she beat. Feinstein has long been on the take, and the Chinese spy she employed might be the last straw for even the leftists in California.

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  37. Piggy says:

    I don’t think lobbying is regulated or legal in most countries versus having Ambassadors is somewhat a global norm.

    Ambassadors have become an unnecessary middle man in many cases for interest groups.

    Foreign lobbyists can just go direct to our politicians because no one cares or enforces the rules in DC. Getting rich! (Exception: They will enforce rules on certain individuals for political gain). The DC “pretend elites” ignore the majority of lobbying and foreign contact laws. This stuff appears to fit the behavior “only bad if caught”.

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  38. Leane Kamari says:

    Each lobbyist for a foreign nation has to register as such, at least that’s what I learnt from that Manafort/Podesta (=Ukraine) and Flynn (=Turkey) discussion.

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  39. 335blues says:

    I would like to see a federal lawsuit questioning
    the Constitutionality of this.
    It seems a violation of equal protection
    under the law.

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  40. Justice Warrior says:

    Wow! That guy is awesome! Never saw him before.

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  41. David B Vicknair says:

    Why do foreign countries need lobbyists? Because it would be too easy to spot them handing large bags stuffed with cash to our politicians.

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  42. G. Combs says:

    It was a law firm that first started ‘Lobbying’ according to their old website more than a decade ago. (Notice lobbying took off about the time the WTO was formed.)

    US Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman, Member Emeritus of the IPC and a former board member of a Monsanto subsidiary, Calgene, worked for that law firm — Patton, Boggs & Blow. They are the lawyers that put lobbying on the Map.

    To further consolidate their death grip on the food supply, agribusiness insisted that agriculture be put on the international trading table for the first time at the GATT talks in Uruguay. Key players in this little drama were VP of Cargill, Dan Amstutz who wrote the draft Agreement on Agriculture for the World Trade Organization (WTO AoA), Monsanto (Calgene) employee Ann Veneman who lead the GATT trade delegation for much of the time, and Mickey Kantor, another lead US trade representative, who subsequently became a Monsanto board member. Back at home, Clinton’s Advisory Committee for Trade Policy and Negotiations was led by Robert Shapiro, chairman of Monsanto at the time WTO was ratified in 1995. Marcia Hale, a former assistant to President Clinton and director for intergovernmental affairs, was director of international government affairs for Monsanto.

    IPC is the Agri-business Cartel known as the International Food and Agricultural Trade Policy Council . The current state of affairs in World Agriculture goes back to IPC influence in the formation of the WTO, World Trade Organization and AoA, the Agreement on Agriculture. The WTO emasculated the UN Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) an international agreement on the safe handling and treatment of GMOs. Instead of the usual trade treaties for the first time a world organization WTO, with tough sanction and enforcement powers, was formed. More important, decision making would be secret, with no oversight. The most vital issues of economic life on the planet were to be decided behind closed doors.

    Under WTO rules, countries can challenge another’s laws. The case is heard by a tribunal of three trade bureaucrats (corporate lawyers). There is no conflict of interest rules binding them, and the names of the judges are kept secret. There is no rule that the judges of WTO respect any national laws, the three judges meet in secret and all court documents are confidential and cannot be published.

    The actual author of the WTO AoA was Daniel Amstutz, a former Vice President of Cargill. He was appointed by Ann Veneman.

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  43. thedoc00 says:

    There is a bit of twisted logic in answering the headline.

    It is illegal for a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT (i.e. Embassy Staff) to lobby and pay money to officials or candidates. There are even limits on payments to NGO’s.
    Enter the lobbyist (i.e. registered agent or better stated “private” advocate) for a foreign country. Technically they are NOT part of the government and fall under a different set of “rules”. To further skirt the rule nearly all foreign commercial businesses have either a US partner or subsidiary to also lobby I the US. These people and/or entities either use private funds or launder foreign pay-offs.

    Yes its pure kabuki of the highest form, but that is the logic.

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  44. mickjt says:

    “Do Foreign Countries Need Lobbyists? Isn’t That What Embassies and Ambassadors are For?”
    Lobbyists don’t follow laws, they work everything behind the scenes with bags of money and favors…Governments and ambassadors typically work things above board to cover for those in the shadows…ALL Countries work this way!

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