Lou Dobbs and Andrew McCarthy Discuss the Special Counsel Mueller Counterintelligence Investigation…

Andrew McCarthy discusses the origin of the feces.  Specifically, how Robert Mueller was not assigned a criminal investigation, but instead given instructions to continue the FBI counterintelligence investigation originated by FBI Agent Peter Strzok in 2016.

This investigative framework is what Judge T.S. Ellis III (EDVA) challenged on Friday morning.  The special counsel originated their Russian conspiracy investigation through exploitation of a Title-1 FISA warrant against Carter Page.  The special counsel then seeks to merge the results of that 2017 Russia investigation authority into Title-3 criminal cases that have absolutely nothing to do with Russian investigations; see: Paul Manafort and 2004 and 2007 banking and tax issues(?).  None of it makes a lick of sense.

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848 Responses to Lou Dobbs and Andrew McCarthy Discuss the Special Counsel Mueller Counterintelligence Investigation…

  1. Ray Runge says:

    Another refusal of DoJ to comply with a congressional subpoena. Some how POTUS is the executive over the DoJ. Any classification system would technically flow from the constitutional powers of the elected executive. Why not declassify and shine the light.

    Our unelected bureaucrats have instituted a variation of the “Stockholm Syndrome” vis a vie the elected congress critters and the POTUS. So long as the basic message continues that “we are the ultimate arbiters of what is safe for you to know” then the default USA government protocol will be that entrenched bureaucrats are the source of power.

    Any activity that is required to reverse the current flow of power is long overdue and will perpetuate a transfer of the source of authority.

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  2. Guffman says:

    When Rod Rosenstein says that “human lives are at risk” if the top secret redactions were exposed, I believe he is absolutely right – he’s referring to HIS life and the lives of all the corrupt men and women at the top ranks of the FBI, DOJ and many other government agencies from the Obama administration and the carryovers from them. Their lives would definitely be at risk when the absolute proof of corruption is revealed in those documents and I’m sure they fear, if not citizens with pitchforks and guns, then criminal convictions that would possibly include death sentences for high crimes including sedition and treason.

    President Trump, please declassify and un-redact all documents related to this witch hunt and expose everything to the American people, who can then decide for themselves who is guilty and who is not.

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    • Johnny says:

      You are over target, release bombs

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    • Firefly says:

      Hope the judge reads CTH and uses it as a comeback in the next court hearing in a couple weeks.

      Liked by 12 people

      • DanO64 says:

        Some one said his nick name is Howie or something like that. Just say N.

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      • Howey says:

        If the case goes forward my bet is it will proceed as a CIPA prosecution with a very skeptical Judge. Muelleys Fish Market stinks to high heaven. I bet the Judge will suppress the FISA evidence and the prosecution will be stuck with a Dead Fish. If it proceeds. win Win.

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        • redridge45 says:

          Except these people are being paid with our own money to work against us…that is pitchfork material there…

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        • Susan Bolle says:

          Not so sure. The judge indicates that everyone in government is to be held accountable and no one should have “unfettered” power. The M team has two weeks to twist laws to undermine the judge’s theories and protect the ‘backup’ plan.

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        • w5ovf says:

          “If the case goes forward my bet is it will proceed as a CIPA prosecution with a very skeptical Judge.” I am sure the corrupt DOJ will try that! OTOH It is in the greater interest to US security and preservation of the constitution; that ALL background leading to the appointment of Mewler as SC be presented to the public on open court. What can the DOJ present that requires FISA anything?

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    • dayallaxeded says:

      How can we have government of the people, by the people, and for the people, if the government keeps everything of significance, especially about its own governance, secret from the people!? The BS secret crap about VN and throughout the cold war was bad; the continuing illegal cloak & dagger BS in Central/South America and GME has been even worse; but continuing this criminality, this treason and sedition inside our own nation is the worst and truly merits swift, public, capital punishment for the perpetrators.

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      • AH_C says:

        This is why Trump launched his salvo against McVain 2 years ago when he denied he was a war hero. We who were “woke” then knew exactly what he meant then. In addition to Songbird, McVain, sKerry and Kerrey among others deliberately spiked our MIA/POWs by classifying any and all information. This is something no Patriot would ever countenance.
        http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm

        If McVain should escape justice by dying on us (may he rest in no peace), it would be beautiful to have Trump immediately declassify everything relating to MIA/POW. Let’s see anyone dare go to his funeral after those papers have been our for a few days. Those that do will have identified themselves as traitors.

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    • coltlending says:

      I think if this crap drags on up to before the Mid-Terms POTUS should give a presidential address to the country score the voting, lay out the facts of the corruption of those in the FBI, CIA, NSA and media, Clinton Foundation, Uranium One, and remind the American people there has been no crime identified or proven after years of investigation and destruction of people’s lives, and then conclude the address by saying effective immediately he is firing Mueller & Rosenstein. and anyone else who should be launched.

      He should also cover tactfully, if Sessions resigns by his doing so and Impeachment proceedings are brought forth against him, so be it.

      it is up to you the American people to put a stop to it, if you don’t support it.

      He’s done what he can.

      At this time, it’s time for Americans to decide what kind of country this is.

      ********************
      My feeling is we can no longer afford to be held hostage by the deep state perverting the rule of law, and pretending they are not pissing on us and telling us it raining.

      The America people must make decision by supporting the president taking such action or not and live with the consequences.

      If that results in a battle in the streets, so be it.

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    • Robert Smith says:

      Remember when Lois Lerner asked her testimony stay sealed because she feared for her life?

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    • Phillie_fan62 says:

      Well put! Kudos to you! Your thoughts are my thoughts also.

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    • YeahYouRight says:

      I’m glad Ellis didn’t summarily dismiss. He may be our best chance at getting answers…he’ll DEMNAND them! Thank you Judge Ellis!

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  3. Johnny says:

    Senator Ted Steven’s of Alaska ruined because of Criminal Prosecutors.

    Mr. Bundy ruined by Criminal Prosecutors.

    All had cases Dismissed with Prejudice. Meaning the DOJ Lawyers and Investigators all broke the laws.

    Why are they not jailed and personally ruined like the families they ruined?

    The same thing will happen with SC investigation, now that Judge Ellis has taken a stand.

    Our VSG Potus I pray does everything in his power to destroy and jail these Criminals that are operating under the Color of Law.

    An example needs to be made and it needs to be harsh.

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    • margarite1 says:

      I think cases of government prosecutorial misconduct should have monetary consequences to the prosecutors involved. Like that’s going to happen – they make the laws and it’d be about as easy as getting Congress to pass term limits or a balanced budget. But in theory at least they ought to face more consequences than getting promoted like Mueller and his buddy Andy Weissmann.

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    • jhynds says:

      Not to mention the assassination of LaVoy Finkum. 11 children and not one word about wrongful death?

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      • Eric says:

        Bad example. Finicum caused his own death when he announced he was armed then went for a gun under his coat. An assassination implies something other than someone shot while resisting arrest, armed.

        There are other issues aside from the actual shooting, but the Bundys and their supporters are mostly a bunch of nuts.

        If you want an assassination, Vicki Weaver being shot by Lon Horiuchi is a textbook example. Not that the FBI HRT present at the Finicum shooting didn’t try to do the same thing, but they missed.

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        • jhynds says:

          This entire episode (bundy) was facilitated under false (illegal) government pretense. As noted by the dismissal with extreme prejudice. As such do you believe the attempted arrest of LaVoy was legal? Not so sure I do. The ends don’t justify the means. LaVoy had every right to be armed, did they have a right to arrest him?

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    • cozette says:

      Your prayers will be answered. From day one President Trump and his team, including Sessions, have been implementing their brilliant plan to make the public aware of the Swamp so Americans will support the arrests, prosecutions and imprisonments of those involved in this Global cabal of pure EVIL. President Trump is a very ruthless man despite his genial persona. He also has studied Machiavelli’s The Prince. There will be NO DEALS for those at the top despite what battered Conservatives and Progressives who are locked in the past imagine and then fret about.

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    • patches1600 says:

      D0j whistle blower against the corruption against Senator Stevens committed suicide the perps are still at DOJ. The FBI WHISTLER blower was removed from the FBI and the rotten ones are still there. Go figure!

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  4. Orville R. Bacher says:

    Redacting and slow-walking is the strategy to keep a lid on things until the Dem moles in Government hope that Dems get control of the House in November, so they can impeach the President. It is only this group that has no perspective on how clear their corrupt plans are.

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  5. high treason carries a very specific penalty, “if that sob gets elected we will all hang”.

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    • nanny210 says:

      @stormsailor1981: She called, so I am going to raise her one hangman’s noose! Let’s line ’em up and enjoy them all one at a time!

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      • dayallaxeded says:

        I detest the show Handmaid’s Tale (just utter, irritating, religion-bashing nonsense) but some family members are entertained and gotta admit, their set designers came up with something we could definitely use for the Deep Stankers:

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        • Karen says:

          The Handmaiden’s Tale was given to me by an older Christian missionary woman (who was a librarian) to read saying it was her favorite book. It is the worst book I ever read and it gave me nightmares.

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        • Orygun says:

          One of the offshoots of Socialism is corruption to the max. When the Rosenbergs were executed it made them hide for a decade or two. It never seems to stop them entirely but it makes them go back into the shadows.
          We could use a national cleansing that will put them back in the shadows for a century. The sources of this corruption begins in our schools and universities. Free speech doesn’t include the destruction of our Constitutional Republic.

          Shall not be infringed.

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          • Phillie_fan62 says:

            @Orygun My biggest fear is that the youngsters of today will be the adults of tomorrow! And being in my 60’s like so many others on all these sites,we will be gone to keep putting the pressure on. I hate to say it but the future doesn’t look bright. These socialist scum are just breeding new socialists, and waiting for us older ones who know the difference to just go away naturally. I feel for my two 30 something sons and my one grandson. Thankfully my boys are as conservative as my wife and I. So maybe hopefully we’re not the only ones who are teaching our children the difference. I know my boys, if they have a question on something always come to me for an explanation.

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            • Orygun says:

              They are playing the long game and hope as we die out the country will collapse. I am hopeful that some of the kids in High School today are pushing back and are becoming free thinkers and more conservative. If kids are anything at that age it is rebellious which in this case dealing with fascist/socialist teachers it just might work in our favor.

              The big thing with me is getting an unbiased media and removing some of the horrible textbooks the children are forced to use. School choice would eliminate some of that almost overnight.

              In the UK, they are blaming old senile people on the Brexit vote and just recently I have seen articles trying to blame us boomers for everything wrong with this country. The left never runs out of scapegoats for their failures. Take care.

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            • Charlie says:

              Agree! Big problem is ADD and ADHD = drugging boys. It’s a disgrace and needs to be stopped. Wake up parents DO NOT LET YOUR BOYS BECOME VICTIMS!

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  6. castelletto says:

    It makes perfect sense from the standpoint of the traditional goals of the left. For more than a decade, Soros/Obama et. al. have been devoted to destabilizing us politically, economically, and/or culturally and to increasing the corruption and control of the state, presumably to promote their agenda of a neo-communist, global utopia (of which they just would happen to be in charge).

    Seems to me that the overarching theme of all we’ve seen for some time has been and continues to be the effort to force a breakdown of order a la Cloward-Piven so they can get on with our fundamental transformation or at least push us to the side.

    From that standpoint Mueller et. al. are useful idiots, the globalist rabble are the fellow travelers, and the Obama/Soroses the party members, all working on behalf of the Prince of this World.

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  7. Howey says:

    Maybe..What if both Flynn and Muelley/Rosey had the goods on Flynn via his Turkey, Turkey and his Son. In exchage for certain testimony against Trump they both agreed to a plea bargain on the lying charge they both knew he is and was innocent of. Now it turns out that the evidence they had on him is inadmissible. Illegal fruit. What a disaster. Somehow this has to be stopped.

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    • KBR says:

      Huh? I think one of the times you mentioned Flynn maybe you meant somebody else?

      IF there are any “goods on Flynn” to be had,

      then Flynn would not be the one to “have the goods on Flynn.”

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      • Howey says:

        Whups. Yep. I was just thinking about it and what the Judge would do when/if he sees the exculpatory evidence. I doubt Muelley could get much at all out of Flynn. But he is grasping at straws tryng to make something up. This whole scheme it turning in to quicksand for the scheme team. Trump has already nullified them no matter what they do. He,Trump is something else. Maybe he has a time machine. 🙂

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        • KBR says:

          Flynn was Military Intelligence. I believe they are well-trained not to give out real information even under extreme torture.

          If Mueller got anything from Flynn it was either disinfo or something Flynn wanted him to have. (And Disinfo is not necessarily a lie: it can be a small truth at an unanticipated juncture during an interrogation that deliberately leads the interrogator astray.)

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    • nanny210 says:

      What?? See my above post….foggy head….please clarify your post for this foggy head..thanks!

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      • Howey says:

        Senior Moment.

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      • Howey says:

        So complicated. But fun to research now that the tide has turned. Can you imagine Muelley trying to make such a flimsy case for impeachment? Even if the crats won the House. In the next few months the politicians will run for the hills.

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        • cozette says:

          It’s fascinating to watch how emotionally invested people are unable to see the forest for the trees. Lou is a classic example. He just said the only thing Muellers investigation has accomplished in 2 years is to reveal the corruption of the DNC, Clinton, DOJ, FBI, State Department, Intel Community and Obama WH. It has also revealed the UKs complicity. Hmmmmmm. No one would have trusted these revelations if they came from Sessions BTW. But Muellers investigation did lead to these revelations. It is also a fact that his investigation rivetted the medias attention on the SC which allowed IG Horowitz and Prosecutor Huber to work under the radar. It is also a FACT that our genius POTUS is a master at the Art of War which emphasizes how to employ deception and double agents to achieve victory with minimal bloodshed. Despite all of the FACTS listed above people are absolutely convinced that Mueller is currently pure EVIL. I’m inclined to take Christs advice and judge people by the fruits they bear. Even Dobbs admits Mueller has born amazing fruits. I pray for him every day and for those who honestly believe that what we see on the surface is the truth and consequently allow their hearts to become filled with hatred. Harry Potter fans hated Snapes. Until they learned the truth. Then they were ashamed of their hatred. God bless. “Let not your hearts be troubled”-Christ. “Enjoy the show”-Q.

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    • cozette says:

      The allegation Flynn did anything wrong in terms of Turkey was all smoke and mirrors deception. I wish you’d relax about Flynn. Part of his plea with Mueller allowed him to testify to all the grand juries investigating Obama era crimes without fear of faccing any crimal liability. The pleas was a huuuuge win for Flynn and Team Trump. Earlier Flynn had asked Congress to grant immunity in return for his testimony. They REFUSED Flynns request. Mueller said YES. What a bastard! /s. Judge a tree by the fruits they bear. Imagine the possibility of redemption. Doing so allows me to enjoy the show.

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  8. cavt says:

    I’m totally disgusted by this whole affair. I feel that I share this with patriots like Dobbs and McCarthy. Now we have the IG saying things will be delayed again. This sounds just like one of the normal dem strategies–drag it out until people get sick of it and tune out. Sessions has shown a total lack of honor and zero ability to straighten our the DOJ/FBI. This assumes he even wants to.
    Rosenstein is an egotistical swamp dweller who actually runs DOJ and protects the corruption. What a crock–won’t turnover critical info because it might endanger someone. Yeah, we all know these top people would never lie about something like this. I have no idea what Wray does all day, but whatever it is, it isn’t helping anything. And the pols, both dem and gop, stop Trump from actually getting rid of these people and correcting this mess. Is it any wonder that law enforcement in our country is rapidly losing credibility in the eyes of the public–

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    • waltherppk says:

      *ALL* of the conspirators in Uranium One are complicit in espionage, money laundering, and murder. They should all hang.

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      • KBR says:

        Amen.

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      • margarite1 says:

        I’ve become so used to their crimes that I’m the frog in boiling water. But if anyone had told me 30 years ago that the democrat candidate for President, while Secretary of State, had made multi-millions from selling 20% of the USA’s uranium to Russia I wouldn’t have believed it! Not to mention the huge list of other crimes. And she almost won! We’ve become so used to her crimes that we have gone sort of immune to the shock – at least I have.

        I thank God for stepping in and giving us President Trump!

        Let’s deport Hillary to Iran. She’ll destroy them from within.

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        • Firefly says:

          and That’s just what we know. There’s still probably 40-70% we don’t know yet. You couldn’t even make this up it’s so surreal.

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    • George says:

      The three people that have hurt the MAGA agenda the most are McConnell, Ryan and Sessions. If we had good people in those positions the President would be accomplishing great things on a daily basis.

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      • Blaze says:

        Hopefully Sessions, Turtle and Ryan and all lone gone in Trump’s second term.

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        • Everett Miller says:

          gone to prison hopefully. Sessions especially is covering up (through inaction, complicit) the massive crimes of Hillary–in order to protect the Head Criminal, Barry Soetero.

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      • H&HC, 2nd-16th says:

        Spot on. I’d like to see all three defend their actions/inactions. Traitors all.

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      • cozette says:

        Your Sessions Derangement is blinding you to the FACTS. How sad. Hatred is a tell that you are serving the wrong master imho.

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        • Everett Miller says:

          whoa there nelly; your virtue signaling in defense of Sessions is stunning. Sessions Derangement is when he does exactly zero on High Crimes and you see angels in his architecture. Just because he might be doing something so special, so secret, so proper that no one can see it does not erase the fact that he could have indicted Hillary a year ago on known crimes. But, know he’s too busy playing imaginary 3D Chess with you, while the criminals playing checkers are jumping over his Kings and removing them from the board.

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    • peace says:

      Delaying the IG raises doubts. Release the IG 5/8 and amend and update as needed.

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    • Marko says:

      Spot on CAVT….you nailed it. When I started seeing the delay again of the IG report and an interesting comment by Rosenstein….paraprasing..”we made some mistakes and we will learn from it” referring to the IG report on DOJ which tells me he may already know whats coming out and does not expect anything other than mild rebuke but no criminal charges and accountabilty.

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  9. KBR says:

    I cannot see how the entire Mueller investigation could possibly yield anything BUT poisonous fruit:

    It was started with illegal FISA, it continued an investigation that was begun by DNC, it still includes work product from the demoted/fired Page and the demoted Strzok both proven to be extremely biased, it includes ONLY investigators loyal to/payees into DNC.

    That whole tree is so poisoned with illegal moves and BIAS even Satan in his guise as a 🐍 wouldn’t climb it.

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    • Howey says:

      The Rats are in the bag.

      The Cat is out

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    • waltherppk says:

      All of it goes back to Uranium One, and nobody should ever lose sight of that fact.

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      • Howey says:

        Wonder if The Armed Service Committee was briefed on U1.

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        • Howey says:

          What kine evidence is this?

          June 12, 2009: Rod Rosenstein, U.S. Attorney for Maryland, reportedly begins an investigation into bribery and corruption regarding Uranium One and Rosatom deals. It is important and perhaps relevant to note the existence of the FBI informant William Campbell who was “outed” by U.S. intelligence and whose name was provided to the media in November 2017.

          The reason for Rosenstein’s involvement is simple and relates to the existence of the government whistleblower (Mr. Campbell). The Russian commercial agent responsible for the sale and transportation of uranium from disassembled nuclear warheads from Russia to the U.S. is Tenex, a subsidiary of Rosatom. The U.S. arm of Tenex is known as Tenam USA, based in Bethesda, MD and headed by Vadim Mikerin. Mikerin was responsible for managing Rosatom/Tenex contracts with U.S. uranium purchasers, thus giving him leverage over U.S. companies. He used this leverage to extort and defraud U.S. contractors into paying highly inflated prices for uranium, enriching Kremlin officials and compromised the companies who paid the bribes.

          More importantly, the informant learned from Mikerin (and others) that Rusian nuclear officials were trying to penetrate the inner circles of Bill and Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

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          • waltherppk says:

            The Clinton Crime Family Money Laundering Foundation was the Bag Man for bribes to Obama and to others in the Obama Crime Cartel that operated under color of law and pretended to be legitimate government. Every traitor who is part of that corrupt deep state should have all assets seized and be executed. For persons who have some objection to traitors being unceremoniously executed, out of respect for such sensitivity the executions of the traitors should be accompanied with appropriate ceremony befitting the station of such traitors as exceptional criminals. There can even be a velvet sleeve placed around the noose so that and chafing is mitigated.

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      • Paco Loco says:

        We need to find Obama’s secret bank account. He surely was well paid by the Clintons.

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      • woohoowee says:

        And both Rosey and Muelly should be under investigation ………

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    • George says:

      KBR, because we no longer have the rule of law, at least not our Constitution. Only what the elites deem the law to be.

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    • Rhoda R says:

      But I expect they are getting plenty of information on how the Trump campaign worked and other opposition goodies while on the taxpayer dime.

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    • Phillie_fan62 says:

      In my eyes KBR, they know this whole thing isn’t going anywhere. All this is is cover, to keep from getting to the big one? Uranium one! That’s why they keep delaying and going in a different direction once the current one loses steam. eventually it will run it’s course and hopefully somebody with set start putting these people behind bars. Any statute of limitations in my eyes should be waved. Why? because the criminals are the ones running the judicial system! It’s okay for them to go back on banking records of Manafort from 14 years ago? where’s the statute of limitations for him?

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      • cozette says:

        Muellers investigation isn’t preventing the investigation of U1 or any other scandal. Honestly, where did you get such a mistaken idea? Investigations/prosecutions/grand juries have been up and running into everything for over a year. Muellers investigation has just distracted most people from noticing whats really going on.

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        • DanO64 says:

          Absolutely. Folks should remember both Sessions and Rosenstein have day jobs too. There is a ton of stuff on their plates.

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  10. tunis says:

    The Mueller/Rosenstein witch hunt shows how the massive resources and law enforcement capabilities (men with guns breaking into your house) of the federal government crushes anyone they dislike. Just think about the extraordinary expenses that Gen. Flynn, Caputo, Cohen, Stone and Manafort have incurred and continue to incur. In very rare cases there is an upstanding and honorable judge who interprets the law accurately and is focused on insuring due process.

    Recall the Bundy case in Nevada. The US Attorney attempted to railroad the Bundy family after already depriving them of their liberty by jailing them. In this case one honorable judge insisted on due process and consequently dismissed the case with prejudice for prosecutorial misconduct.

    These are very rare situations. By and large the judiciary is in cahoots with the government and always rules in their favor and erodes constitutional liberty. Recall how the many law suits did not go very far as the judiciary prevented a true accounting of the government’s lies as warantless surveillance was uncovered. From Admiral Poindexter and his lies on the precusor Total Information Awareness program to Clapper who even lied to Congress under oath but was never prosecuted.

    The hypocrisy is off the charts these days. When George Bush/Dick Cheney and the Republicans pushed through the Patriot Act with no debate, it were the so called Conservatives who were screaming to pass it as safety & security trumped liberty. A single senator, Democrat Sen. Russ Feingold voted against it citing that it was unconstitutional. Now, that these same secret and unaccountable cabal in government are using the same laws that the Conservatives demanded against President Donald Trump because he wasn’t annointed by the UniParty, we have the liberals supporting and pushing for even more secret and draconian actions by the cabal in government. There is only one winner in this – the Deep State cabal of unaccountable bureaucrats in the intelligence and law enforcement agencies. They are going to be the king makers as they become more and more powerful as both the liberals and conservatives back them when they are applying their gestapo tactics on the other side!

    As Pogo said – I saw the enemy and it is us!

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    • ForGodandCountry says:

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      • Snow White says:

        Hang the traitor 😨😨he’s a private citizen now, who is sending him to do this? Oh yes, oboomble and Valjar. They all need to be behind bars.

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        • singingsoul says:

          Snow White says:
          “Hang the traitor 😨😨he’s a private citizen now, who is sending him to do this? Oh yes, oboomble and Valjar. They all need to be behind bars.”
          _________________________________________
          Kerry has much more of an interest to keep the Iranian deal going his daughter is married to an Iranian. The father in law of the daughter I believe helped with the Iranian deal and is in government.
          Kerry has a perusal interest in the deal and and it appears that obviously it overrides the loyalty to the US.

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    • Armchair Quarterback says:

      It is only “us” if we continue to hold our elected officials unaccountable and return those same inmates (elected officials) back to run the asylum (government). If bad behavior is tolerated we as a country will get more of it. Sunshine and house cleaning are in order and the sooner the better!

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    • Chip Doctor says:

      Tunis, I agree that things can look grim. At the same time, look at all that has been accomplished in a very short time. If you look at the top levels of DOJ and FBI, it is astounding how many in the deep state have been removed. When the indictments come down, there will be many many more deep state actors in all gov’t departments quietly resigning to try and avoid possible exposure. A year and a half was wasted from cleaning out the state department with Rex. Also with NSA with McMaster. Bolton and Pompeo are going to disinfect these critical departments with savage intensity. While I want Brennan, Clapper, Lynch and other former administration figures, they are no longer in power. The swamp is being drained. It will take everyday of Trump’s eight years to cleanse our gov’t of the evil traitors. But make no mistake…..we are winning.

      I can swing back and forth between optimism and hopelessness. Thank you Sundance and fellow treepers for being there when I lose my balance!

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      • Paco Loco says:

        The surface has only been scratched. The traitors in the Deep State school like fish.

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      • tunis says:

        Chip Doctor

        I am not sanguine at all about Bolton, Pompeo and Niki Haley. They’re long standing neocons.

        President Trump does not have the best talent around him. Sleepy AG Sessions.

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        • cozette says:

          tunis I’m going to trust President Trumps judgment on who is best suited for a job over yours, especially when you’ve fallen for that silly fiction about sleepy Sessions. The Right is just as susceptible to rejecting facts in order to maintain their favorite illusion as the Left is. Fortunately, this human foible allows Trump and Sessions to get alot done.

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    • Doppler says:

      👍

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  11. jack says:

    We are still conflicted about Sessions in these threads. Why?

    Shouldn’t we be on the same page about Sessions by now.

    If we spoke with ONE VOICE backing the president’s view on this, we could be more effective in getting out the message. Dump Sessions as incompetent and suggest to Trump to appoint Admiral Rogers to AG, and make him acting AG until confirmed.

    And if Trump’s Team unites with the Trump Media Heads, we could take that position to the american people, and use this to help elect more people that support Trump.

    Face the fact, that the IG report will be filtered through Rosenstein , and he can edit stuff or stonewall, or slow walk this. I don’t think we should put our faith in Rosenstein. And we certainly shouldn’t put our faith in Jeff Sessions.

    We should present a United Front going forward, and be in Trump’s Army of Supporters against the Uni party-Globalist-MSM-leftist side.

    Let’s Rumble (with words … voting…etc) not with knifes and guns. 🙂

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    • PaulM says:

      OK. You first.
      Go stand on a street corner in almost any American city with a big sign saying:
      “I’M A TRUMP SUPPORTER—–VOTE TRUMP!!”
      Take a stopwatch and let us know how long before objects start flying past your head.
      Words only work with people who listen.

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      • jack says:

        LOL!
        Yeah, standing on a street corner waving a sign supporting Trump …in California might not be a smart thing to do , …. wearing a MAGA red hat and sign. 🙂 (you wouldn’t last long)

        But using “words” and “voting” and other positive things we can do as Trump Supporters, in safer settings …. right?

        So intelligent fighting … not commie-kazzie suicide run! 🙂

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      • kroesus61 says:

        he is a lukewarm Trump “supporter” at best…….believing himself to be wise he thinks he can do better than PDJT…..if PDJT WANTED the AG gone he would have been history already…….need I really mention again his refusal at Session’s resignation when offered?

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    • AH_C says:

      I think you will soon find that Sessions has been doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing during the long awakening period. We’re now in the next phase, justice. This is where Sessions reveals himself as Trump’s sword of truth.

      It’s all falling into place. Gird up yer loins because the time for revelations is over and now it’s time to fight.
      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/992507084695465984.html

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      • jack says:

        Listen, I hope so. I really do..
        And if Jeff Sessions does come through for us, I guess I’ll have to eat my MAGA hat … and sing … He’s a Golly good Fellow! … along with Trump.

        But … if you are wrong … well …

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        • AH_C says:

          If I’m wrong, then all that we’ve seen to date was just a calm in the storm before the deep state installs Killary as our predestined Dictator.

          We either win or freedom dies. No do-overs at this stage.

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        • Marko says:

          I’m with you Jack. I’m willing to eat crow if we see indictments and prosecutions. I see no evidence of it and if its happening…no one including POTUS knows anything about it apparently. Has anyone noticed that that US Attorney who Sessions put in place to expedite congress getting documents has been worthless?

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    • George says:

      I am at the same conclusion. If I have Sessions wrong, I will shout it from the rooftops. But, it is becoming more clear every day that he either is not up to the job or he is part of the swamp. His self-recusal suggest that later IMHO.

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      • kroesus61 says:

        I find it slightly humorous and very sad that those who do not have faith in the AG must CONTINUALLY “shout it from the rooftops” here…..those lacking in trust in him also lack faith in PDJT……I can only attribute their need for continual utterance of their opinion to one of two causes……they lack the self assurance that they are right in their opinion so seek encouragement and support from others or they are social butterflies and look to acceptance from others by holding similar beliefs (follow the crowd types)…..Ill wager over 1M posts on the various threads here by the very vocal and vociferous sufferers of SDS on the CTH

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        • Steve says:

          People have the right to their opinions, bud. Sessions might a white hat; he might not be. We simply don’t know. I believe he’s a good guy but George is entitled to his opinion. So less of the sarky criticism about social butterfies.

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        • Truthfilter says:

          I never bash Sessions and I come here everyday-have been since 2014. I’ve lost faith in Sessions. Many reasons: 1.) For 2 years, he heard thousands of us chant “Lock her up!” and “Drain the Swamp!” but he CHOSE to be the AG knowing he would have to recuse himself from any investigation involving either campaign. 2.) His recusal has provided a firewall to protect the Deep State, Mueller, etc. as they hunt for a reason to destroy POTUS while collecting millions of our money to do it! 3.) Sessions promised to prosecute leakers but the only leaker arrested so far has been Reality Winner. It’s been well over a year since he promised this. Comey, Strzok, Page, and McCabe leaked and we saw the first evidence of it 12 months ago. Why the delay in charging at least one of them? They sure didn’t delay the arrest of Reality Winner. I guess it’s a different standard for peasants like her. 4.) Throughout the process of Mueller’s witch hunt, innocent witnesses have been wrongly accused, bankrupted, and professionally destroyed. How can Jeff Sessions allow this to continue? His recusal doesn’t prevent him from limiting Mueller’s power to destroy people.

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    • DanO64 says:

      But we aren’t one voice. That’s why we are here.

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    • singingsoul says:

      jack
      “Face the fact, that the IG report will be filtered through Rosenstein , and he can edit stuff or stonewall, or slow walk this. I don’t think we should put our faith in Rosenstein. And we certainly shouldn’t put our faith in Jeff Sessions.”
      ___________________________________________
      Why is the IG report being filtered through Rosenstein and not Session..?
      This has nothing to do with Russian collusion and if Session does not take charge he is totally not effective and a AG figure head only.
      He is not the man of 30 or 40 years ago when he was in Alabama convicting the KKK.
      That was his biggest accompaniment and he never should have been AG.
      I blame the person who suggested him . He might have looked god on paper but AG job is more than chasing illegals. He is over his head and leans on Rosenstein it seems..?

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    • cozette says:

      jack it is NOT our job to tell the President who to hire or fire. It is NOT our job to usurp his job as CIC and demand that he follow our strategic advice on how to fight this global war on EVIL. I can’t believe the hubris of some presumably well meaning people who think they are smarter than a literal genius and know more than he does despite Trump having access to the best intel in the world and a team of dedicated patriot advisors. Sheesh. I suggest people pray, enjoy the show, notice all the victories happening every day and start focusing on doing their job rather than trying to usurp the President; concentrate on this years contest to pick YOUR Congressional Representatives.

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      • Steve says:

        I admire and respect Trump but he’s not God. People can express their point of view whether you like it or not.

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  12. Stab, the unstoppable hero says:

    Curious here. I lurked at CTH for some time before I began posting my thoughts. It just seems that in the past week or so the number of comments has multiplied tremendously. One article is posted and within a few hours there are literally hundreds of comments. Not complaining as I enjoy reading the posts, many from obviously professional people, lawyers, media, LEO’s etc.
    It’s just nice to know that there are so many people that are also passionate about what I think is so important. A lot of these current events are not even understood by so many citizens. This is such a defining moment in America. What is going on here (participation) just makes me feel a little bit more confidant when I start my day.
    That’s all.

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    • jack says:

      Yeah, the last week something has changed that is bringing us all together and this is a good thing. The BASE is waking up … hopefully in time for the mid-terms!

      We have to focus on the people that are allowing this travesty of justice to continue day after day! And get rid of these people , or expose them! And get someone in AG spot that will do just that. Obviously, Jeff, Rosey, Mueller are part of the problem, not the solution.

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      • AH_C says:

        That someone is Sessions, biding his time while others investigate and reveal to us the breadth and depth of the corruption and evil. We are now shifting gears to the justice phase and Sessions will soon reveal beyond a shadow of doubt that he was there with us all along.

        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/992507084695465984.html

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        • jack says:

          If Jeff Sessions is White Hat …shouldn’t he have limited the scope of the investigation … and not agree to allowing anything Trump did in his past to be investigated? I would think if Sessions was “good guy” … he would say … “listen Rosey, I just recused myself from russia probe, … I never gave you permission to expand this investigation to include everything.”

          Can you explain that to me, why would Sessions not limit the investigation to just Russia Probe!

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          • Firefly says:

            Counter intelligence want to follow and watch. In my whistleblower case the FBI and Defense criminal investors (DCIS) followed a whole group for two years who were smuggling classified equipment out of a scif and dropping it off at the dump. The dump had to be watched to see who purchased the dumped off stuff. People in the workplace wore a wire too. The Air Force IG were corrupt and were setting up the whistleblower people wearing wires ( planting drugs on cars and having prostitutes approach the guys wearing wires for entrapment). It was the most awful experience in my life.

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          • AH_C says:

            To allow the deep state to fully expose themselves thereby allowing much more into evidence against the deep state – – rule of law to the fullest.

            Be patient.

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            • jack says:

              You are confusing me. 🙂

              So you are saying that Trump is feinting that he is mad at Sessions, calling him a disgrace, and having his heart broken the way Sessions has been acting. It’s all a ruse to rake in the “bad actors” … and allow them to keep doing “bad acts”.

              And Sessions and Trump had to do this so the “bad actors” could continue plotting against Trump , and find out the connections between the Deep State, the CIA operatives in all the MSM stations, and the larger web of the china connection, corrupt Congress members, etc.

              If the Judgement phase comes , and I see the “bad people” arrested and thrown in prison, I will be very happy.

              If this Judgement Phase , is delayed and delayed, and it was the DEEP STATE playing us, and setting up a sting on what Sessions/Trump is doing, then Trump is toast.

              The Deep State has been at this game a long time, and if Rosenstein is the Deep State, AND there are members in Trump’s team that are working undercover for Deep State, and Q is a double agent for the Deep State, we have been played.

              The is a high stakes Game we are playing … and I’m just a pawn in this game.

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              • AH_C says:

                In a nutshell, if Q is a double agent for deep state, then he has duped Trump. Because time and time again, Trump has validated Q via keywords that were dropped in advance. If Q is a double agent, then we’re all toast and the past 18 months was just an interlude for the deep state and globalists to regroup and smash America once and for all.

                What you have to do is prepare to act on what you believe. Only the lo-infos continue living as if nothing matters.

                There’s a reason Q often alludes to Washington crossing the Delaware at Christmas. Bold, risky move in which the republic would be doomed if the attack failed. This ain’t politics as usual, it’s war and the globalists have made we the people hostages in every sense of the word – Existential.

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          • Doppler says:

            If Sessions is NOT a white hat, wouldn’t Trump have fired him and replaced him with a strong lieutenant with no prior conflict to fire Rosey and clean house? Unthinkable that Trump would fail to act, if HE felt threatened. When he publicly complains about his staff but does nothing, the complaints are very likely just trolling his enemies, manipulating the press.

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            • jack says:

              My understanding of this matter is that Trump has been advised not to fire Sessions because it would lead to his impeachment.

              Now, Trump as the right to fire Sessions legally, but, the Republicans told Trump if he did fire Sessions they would join forces with the Dems to Impeach him. This had been discussed many times over the last months. So Trump has to hold back, but he doesn’t want to. But as Trump stated last week, he may have to step in, since Mueller raided his private lawyer and has broaden his investigation into anything Trump did has whole life, looking for something to get him on.

              And Sessions is silent on this matter too and it baffles the President.

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              • kroesus61 says:

                your opinion which lacks facts also does not account for PDJT REFUSING to accept Session’s resignation RIGHT after he had criticized him on Twitter for the recusal…..as I have said here before PDJT is not afraid to can someone for doing as he would like……the AG would have been long ago history if he so desired it

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                • singingsoul says:

                  kroesus61 says:
                  “your opinion which lacks facts also does not account for PDJT REFUSING to accept Session’s resignation RIGHT after he had criticized him on Twitter for the recusal…..as I have said here before PDJT is not afraid to can someone for doing as he would like……the AG would have been long ago history if he so desired it”
                  ——————————————–
                  Trump waned to accept the resignation of Session and it was Reince P. and Bannon who talked him out of it because for political reasons.
                  Bannon talked about that in one of his interviews after he left the WH.
                  Bannon also tried to talk POTUS out of firing Comey and thai God he did not listen. Comey is as bad as they come.

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      • DanO64 says:

        Obvious, OK.

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      • cozette says:

        Jack why are you usurping the Presidents job by telling him who to hire or fire? YOUR employess are your Congressional Representatives. I suggest you focus on doing YOUR job between now and November and let our genius President do his. God bless your passion. I invite you to use that passion God has given you effectively.

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    • Doppler says:

      👍

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  13. GW says:

    No new info. Just jawing about tgat which we already know.
    When is the bough gonna break ???

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    • jack says:

      Yeah, the pressure is certainly building up rapidly. With the Judge spanking Mueller team yesterday , and Mueller getting 70 blank forms to subpoena people (Trump) .

      Waiting for the next shoe to drop! 🙂

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    • Dutchman says:

      Judge Ellis can ‘cooperate’ in Muellers exit strategy, or NOT. If Sundance is correct, and I believe he is, that the source memo, unredacted makes it clear that muellers investigation was morphed from a counter-intelligence to criminal investigation, he will refuse to show it to the judge, citing natl. Sec.
      Renembering this case involved a guns drawn daylite raid on the defendents house, for white collar crimes dating back to 2005, the Judge should say;
      There are 2 possibilities; the first, highly doubtful, is that this source memo actuall contains highly classified info, that a FED.JUDGE, UNDRR SEAL, cant view, as it would threaten Natl. Sec.
      OR, it reveals that (above), in which case this whole investigation is a gross over reach,and prosecutorial abuse.
      So, if you continue to refuse to show me the memo, you are putting me in a position where i have no choice but to dismiss with prejudice. However, this makes the court complicit in covering up your prosecutorial misconduct.
      You can even ‘spin’ it that “We had a case, but the judge threw it out, blah blah.
      So, one last chance: produce the memo, unredacted, for my review. OR, I will dismiss, and write letters to the bar association, strongly urging thst each lawyer on this team, including mueller and rosenstien be sanctioned, and have their law licences revoked, for life.
      Gentleman. Youwill NEVER set foot in court again, except as witnesses or defendents ( which is highly likely).
      Now, to paraphrase jerry mcguire,
      “SHOW ME THE MEMO!!!!”

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      • Rhoda R says:

        I’ve also written the President asking that HE declassify the memo. People need to know just what it is that Mueller is investigating using our $10,000,000 tax dollars. I know that President Trump doesn’t respond to pressure, but he does respond to reasoned arguments so maybe others with other arguments could also contact the White House as well.

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        • cozette says:

          Q has requested we use #ReleaseTheTexts #Unredacted to build up public support for what POTUS intends to do. The anons at 8ch.net/qresearch have folders of memes people can use to push those hash tags.

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      • Chip Doctor says:

        Or the president waits until Rosey and Mulehead refuse on the grounds of “classified national security”. Then he publicly demands that Rosey and Mueller deliver it to him at the WH. In a televised setting, he reads it, then says “ I hereby declare this letter unclassified and both of you fired. Now get out of my house and wait for your indictment”.

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      • rf121 says:

        The judge reminded the Mully boys that he was cleared to see classified data and he was working on several espionage cases. They have no excuse to with hold the doc.

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  14. recoverydotgod says:

    On Friday, Judge Ellis took the threat of Mueller resigning off the table by questioning the scope Mueller is operating under. Isn’t that what has always been the problem, not that Pres. Trump would fire him? Unfettered powers.

    Initial Reactions on the Appointment of Robert Mueller As Special Counsel
    By Jane Chong, Quinta Jurecic, Susan Hennessey, Matthew Kahn, Benjamin Wittes Wednesday, May 17, 2017

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/initial-reactions-appointment-robert-mueller-special-counsel

    -snip-

    In Mueller’s case, that distinction is less of a concern than it would be for many other appointees. Mueller is of sufficient stature that any effort to rein him in would likely provoke an immediate scandal if he were to go public, and that means his threat of resignation is a very potent weapon. He also has the kind of experience that ensures he will not be shy when it comes to construing the limits of his jurisdiction. He arguably does not necessarily need the kind of statutory guarantees of independence that the old statute offered; in some respects Mueller is kind of his own guarantee.

    -snip-

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    • Dutchman says:

      The whole mueller investigation was a bluff, from day one. It was ad hoc, poorly planned cover up.
      This is WHY we saw dems and rinos saying ” don’t dare fire mueller. They were trying to goad DJT into firing mueller, and rosie, to provoke a constitutionsl crises, cause that would take it OUT of the courts, and into Congress, which is the only legal avenue for prosecuting a sitting pres. DJT has called their bluff. Case against Flynn, NOTHING. Case against Manafort, Gates; poisonous fruit as they CAN’T allow unredacted source memo to be seen.
      Judge Ellis, and DJT called it; an illegal witch hunt, politically motivated abuse of power. And, bycalling their bluff, by patiently letting it play out, it is now going to be exposed for all ti see.
      Rosie is blackhat, and I am still confident of Sessions.
      As has been pointed out, Sessions erred on the side of caution, appropriately recusing himself. Muellers whole team, and Rosie, are SO obviously, and on multiple levels beyond meeting the standards for recusal. Mueller is screwed. I hope and believe Judge Ellis has his #, and hope he uses his considerable power to expose Mueller for what he is and has been doing.
      ANYONE who, at any time, said “Mueller is an honorable man, should be allowed to continue, etc.” Is the ENEMY! Make a list, check it twice. Gohmett said it, he was right!
      I WISH we could withold our vote, from any on that list. Unfortunately, McConnell is spendind $ like crazy, to Roy Moore Trump candidates, so that we are forced tovote for uniparty. Have to hold our nose and do it, or risk impeachment.
      Im confident ALL these rino barstuds will vote for impeachment, unless A) DJT successes, economically, internationally, etc. make it impossible, or B) this whole big ugly is exposed, so the average voter can see what we see.
      And, I’m optimistic.

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      • Craig D says:

        Reply to Dutchman (1:15 pm) – Agree fully with your comment. Especially agree with the UniParty,(GOPe and RINO’s) being against President Trump. Mueller would never have been able to grow without constraints if Republicans had supported Trump’s administration. The UniParty (GOPe & RINO’s) are the “elephant in the room” of this whole Russia Gate fiasco against President Trump.

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      • cozette says:

        Dutchman I enjoyed your comments. I would suggest that people watching things unfold not evaluate all the players based on their percieved honor or lack there of. Also, I suggest that basing assessments of what people are currently doing based on their past actions will lead to incorrect conclusions. Basically almost everyone has a tainted past. Some more than most. The Global Swamp of EVIL relied on blackmail and fear to keep people in line. The fear was legitimate. White hats and whistle blowers were killed. Their families threatened. They faced public and economic ruin. Those of us who live in Leftist controlled states understand shutting up and going along. Especially when you know the media will NEVER cover what you died to reveal or that you endangered your loved ones to reveal. Prudent people go underground. And wait. They stay alive hoping that what they know can be revealed. Other people may not be so altruistic but can be leveraged to flip by the same self interest that kept them playing the game when the Swamp was in power. My point is that past is not a reliable guide to present for those playing the guessing game. Leverage is a better guide imho. And noting the fruits of a players actions rather than listening to the disinfo blather coming from ALL sides. The FACT is that we are in a global war between the forces of good and unspeakable EVIL. The FACT is that Trump is a ruthless genius and master of the Art of War. The Fact is that the Art of War is based on winning through deception and the use of agents, double agents and triple agents. I hope this helps you enjoy the show and enhances your ability to accurately guess the outcome. I’m enjoying this real life, interactive Game of Thrones/Lord of the Rings immensely. I hope you are too. Bottom line pray and remember Christs advice “Let not your heart be troubled.” Fear and anxiety make people sick which is what the enemy wants.

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      • w5ovf says:

        “Rosie is blackhat, and I am still confident of Sessions.”

        Rosie is bureaucrat, which is far worse than any blackhat!, I am confident that P45, Sessions, and Wray, are trying to retain some sort of “Lawfulness under the US Constitution”! The Marxist Global Banksters\COC now would PREFER US Civil War; to relinquishing what they have gained over US citizens!
        co.

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    • Recovery- thanks for sharing that article, however, it kind of made me want to puke. Good to know that they are one of the Swamp’s favorite cheering sections.

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    • AH_C says:

      Just so everyone understands that lawfare blog is part of the deep state. Look at who are involved with it, including a couple kicked out of FBI due to OIG.
      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/992507084695465984.html

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  15. Howey says:

    I think Manafort is not waiving speedy trial. He is going to fight. This will make GZ seem like childs play.

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    • Howey says:

      Well maybe he did I guess. He was indicted about 6 months ago. Time flies.

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    • Judge Ellis threw a huge monkeywrench into the Mueller glorification establishment. Chuck Grassley, Lindsey Graham, Orrin Hatch, and others have been stifled until the the judge has his next hearing and issues a decision. After yesterday, they will not risk going out in public to defend a guy whose activities and reputation have been sullied by a federal judge. The politics have been flipped in Trump’s favor, and the RINO part of the swamp has taken a huge blow.

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  16. Howey says:

    Muelley has been torturing Manafort for 6 months now. The 17 blank subpoenas point right at this crap.
    The silent witness rule is the use of “substitutions” when referring to sensitive information in the United States open courtroom jury trial system. The phrase was first used in US v. Zettl, in 1987.[1] An example of a substitution method is the use of code-words on a “key card”, to which witnesses and the jury would refer during the trial, but which the public would not have access to. The rule is an evidentiary doctrine that tries to balance the state secrets privilege with the bill of rights (especially the right of the accused to a public trial, and the right to due process). In practice the rule has been rarely used and often challenged by judges and civil rights advocates. Its use remains controversial.[2]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_witness_rule

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    • Howey says:

      Now, are the 17 blank supoenas for Muelley ‘informants’? Is this why Rosey says Humans Will Die? Who are the Gang of 17? Ahhh Dunno but…..This sure is Fishy.

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      • Howey says:

        KaChing…Ellis…
        In United States v. Rosen, in 2007 (the AIPAC Espionage Act case), the rule was used for the first real time. The government tried to use the rule extensively at first; the court rejected the idea.[2]

        Rosen argued that the rule was invalid because he felt it did not match CIPA requirements, and that the government had said CIPA was the only way to deal with classified information at a trial. The judge for the trial, T. S. Ellis III, disagreed that CIPA was the only acceptable way to deal with classified information. He also felt the SWR was not really part of CIPA either.[2]

        Ellis created a four-part “fairness test” to decide whether the SWR was fair. His test was a combination of the CIPA fairness test and the Press-Enterprise Co. v. Superior Court fairness test. Ellis’ theory was based on the idea that the SWR effectively “closes a trial” from the public by disclosing different sets of evidence to the court and to the public. The four parts of his test were as follows:[2]

        There must be an overriding reason to close the trial
        The closure must be “no broader than necessary”
        There must be no alternatives
        The SWR must “provid[e] defendants with substantially the same ability to make their defense as full public disclosure of the evidence” would.
        Judge Ellis decided that the Rosen case met the fairness test, and approved use of the SWR at trial. It was used for 4 minutes 6 seconds of playback of a conversation. However, Ellis sealed (kept secret) the exact way that the SWR figured into the proceedings.[2]

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      • cozette says:

        Howey Do you or anyone else here know for a FACT that Muellers team requested even one blank supoena? Mueller himself came out recently and said most of whats being reported is #fakenews.

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    • recoverydotgod says:

      Secrecy News
      AIPAC Court Adopts Silent Witness Rule
      Posted on Nov.07, 2007
      by Steven Aftergood

      https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2007/11/aipac_court_adopts_silent_witn/

      -snip-

      In eleven memorandum opinions issued to date, Judge T.S. Ellis, III has significantly reinterpreted the Espionage Act of 1917, broken new legal ground in implementing the Classified Information Procedures Act (which regulates the use of classified information in criminal trials), and set other precedents.

      Last week, Judge Ellis approved limited use at trial of the so-called “silent witness rule,” an unconventional tactic that permits prosecutors to withhold evidence from the public and to disclose it only to the parties, the witnesses and the jury. Because this amounts to closing the trial, it runs the risk of infringing on constitutional guarantees that trials will be public.

      The silent witness rule “is a novel evidence presentation technique that has received little judicial attention is the context of the use of classified information in trials,” Judge Ellis noted. “No published decision has explicitly approved or endorsed use of the rule in this context.”

      -snip-

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      • Howey says:

        Muelley is toast. He will not get away with this no matter how Ellis rules. It is out of the bag. people will be outraged.

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      • Howey says:

        Phew! This stinks!

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      • Howey says:

        The jury will have to have a sort of Bingo Card. The prosecutor will call out I-17, N-60, etc. Until one of the jurors shouts BINGO! Can you imagine this in a trial of this magnitude?

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      • Howey says:

        RDG here…I found a pic of Muelleys Star Witness…

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      • Paco Loco says:

        Police State! The rule of law and speedy justice has all gone to hell since the Patriot Act was passed. We are now in the judicial twilight zone where federal jack booted prosecutors can withhold testimony from the defense sighting national security. The Constitution has been turned upside down.

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        • Howey says:

          Yes, it has, and Ellis wrote the rules. How did he come to this particular case? I doubt he can resist ‘testing’ his theories. Look out below. Three if by government. Today President Trump, tomorrow you and me.

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          • Paco Loco says:

            Meanwhile, America slumbers as the government fascists shred the Constitution and defile the rule of law. The DOJ and FBI were weaponized by the Patriot Act and are using the anti-terrorist lawfare against political adversaries.

            The real coup d’etat was the passing of the Patriot Act. We are now reaping the whirlwind of injustice brought to us by a corrupt legislature, a corrupt executive branch and a corrupt judiciary enabled by Deep State bureaucrats. Mueller should be exposed for the evil man that he is and his witch hunt stopped by a court order. Problem is where to find an honest judge.

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            • Ackman420 says:

              FISA was plainly prone to abuse and everyone knows it. Even when I first heard of it when I was 10 years old in 1980, I knew it was unfair to have secret courts. Patriot Act was the next generations eye opener to the extents which our govt betrays us. Repeal FISA and Patriot. They are police state actions.

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    • Howey says:

      So how did Ellis hizself end up as de Judge in this case? Is this the same Ellis in the Manafort trial?

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    • Howey says:

      Q….This is not related in any way to the campaigns for president in 2016. Sessions hizself is supervising this as AG. This is a cold case dredged up with illegal Title One evidence. He haz to be complicit. I can’t see how he is not…anybody?

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  17. DanO64 says:

    Man, if Rosenstein would have just done his job properly none of this would be happening (cough, cough).

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  18. Timolin says:

    The swamp had a bad week. More frequently now they speak of The Rule of Law, but continue to resist oversight. Comey has not done well, we have the travesty of the Thirteen Russians, the desperate clinging to the Porn Star Case, the slow unpeeling of Page and Baker’s grip on employment, the unhappy Manafort hearing on Friday, and ongoing media inaccuracies that erode the enemy’s attack. Their countermoves grow weaker but they are fighting for their lives. This is not going to be easy, unless some of the black hats switch sides. Some of them must be considering it. Most anomalous and best positioned to declare himself is Sessions. Will he emerge from hiding? I think he’s would be foolish not to do so.

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    • waltherppk says:

      Page and Baker had an “employment” that probably amounted to being told to go sit in a corner wearing a dunce cap and to keep their mouth shut unless somebody asked them a question. And while that was proceeding it was being decided what would become of them based in part on how much they are cooperating and the usefulness of whatever information they may share. Now they are probably in the witness protection program if anything they have shared is needed later in a court. Nobody would be selling them life insurance.

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    • Dutchman says:

      I have a legal mind, but too much scruples to be a lawyer: not that i have MUCH scruples, just too much to practice.
      I think REALISTIC expectations are called for. IMHO; No one is going to be tried by military tribunals. Remember “if we stip living our lives, the terrorists win”?
      If the only way these scumbags see justice is through military tribunals, the win; they HAVE to plead guilty, or be found guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt”, in civilian court.
      No ones going to be charged with sedition; thats inciting or working to overthrow the govt. Under the 1st amendment, we actually ALLOW that.
      Otherwise, some of the posters here, myself included, could be charged.
      No one, (again, IMHO) is going to be charged with TREASON. Requires us to be at war, and while you COULD argue we’re in the ‘war on terror’, other than O and Kerry with the Iran deal, which would be a stretch, can’t see a direct, provable connection.
      NOT that I don’t believe these arsholes engaged in treasonous behavior, just we don’t have specific laws on books to make it illegal to do what they have done.
      Its like “collusion with a foriegn govt”, no law against it.
      So, that leads to what they CAN be charged AND PROSECUTED for; ibstruction of justice, and cinspiracy ti obstruct justice.
      Linch, Comey, McCabe etc. clear case.Muellers team and Rosie, too.
      Thats 10 years on each count, multiple counts. Unless Linch flips, which I doubt, or Comey fingers Clapper n Brennan, probably stops there.
      Unless there is a way to get around statute of lim, hill and gsng walk on emails.
      But, there is the whole pedophile thing, which could still hang them.
      More likely, there is the CF. Its STILL ongoing. NO Statute of lim. Between Peter Schwietzer, Clinton Cash, and Charles Ortel, all the research hasbeen done. Rico, money laundering, tax evasion, fraud are all right there, provable and prosecutable.
      I DON’T think O will be charged with anything, legally. He will have the ignominy if presiding over an administration that will have a TERRIBLE legacy. He will be judged by the eyes if history, and by God.
      So, lets tone down the talk of sedition and treason, and military tribunals, and focus on whats real and doable, huh?
      I dont see how Horowitz can NOT go into the Linch call ti NYPD, which then exposes what was in wiener laptop, and emails weiners lawyer gave to preet. And that exposes a really smelly can if worms! “Here, spin this!”
      Anyway, my take.

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    • cozette says:

      It astonishes me that some of you are STILL concerned about Sessions. For those who are I urge you to keep him in your prayers rather than worrying yourselves into an unneccessay frazzle.

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  19. DanO64 says:

    One thing that is absolutely for sure. This will either be Jeff Sessions greatest accomplishment in public service to his country, restoring the rule of law, or he will go down as the biggest failure in modern political history. I believe it’s the first.

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  20. qzy says:

    One thing that bothers me is that none of these people, McCabe, Baker, Strozk, Ohr, Page, etc would have even attempted this if they didn’t know for certain that they could depend on compliant journalists. I would like to see meetings, emails, texts supoened between these actors to see if a conspiracy charge can be proven.

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    • Deplorable_Vespucciland says:

      The media was screaming Russia-Russia-Russia and got a special counsel appointed. The irony is that there WAS collusion in the last election and it was between the Democrat Party and The Press. (Truth be told they have been colluding behind the scenes for the past 30 years and gotten away with it.)

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  21. Paco Loco says:

    I’m not sure that we can say that it was a coup attempt. It looks more like its a fait d’accompli. Sessions is MIA and RR and Mueller are running the show. The OIG report should be very revealing. I hope that it’s not just another government whitewash.

    Mueller is still weaponized and dangerous. Until he and the FBI/DOJ cabal are arrested, this sedition will continue. It’s pretty clear that under the direction of Obama, Brennan et al, the goal is the impeachment of POTUS and the destruction of free and fair elections. It’s a huge conspiracy and has made a mockery of our free elections and a peaceful transition of power.

    What the Manafort case now shows is that Mueller set him up to get to Trump. What we have is outright sedition under the cover of lawfare to over turn the election. This is getting real ugly fast.

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  22. J.G. says:

    On another note. There is an interesting article on the Mueller investigation on another site which I believe others will find rather illuminating. It refers to Mueller’s charging a Russian company “Concord Management and Consultants” along with 13 individual Russians and two other companies for allegedly having interfered with the 2016 election.

    The company hired a US firm Reed LLP to represent them in court and the other day the SC team was left sputtering and fuming at the documentation that is being asked for as is it’s right in defending themselves against the charges bought by SC Mueller. The site says that it is a major screw up by Mueller as much will have to be revealed or otherwise they will have to back off of their charges.

    There is also a mention of Gen. Flynn as having received a grant of immunity from AG Sessions in order for him to cooperate with SC Mueller in order to glean inside info from the SC team. Interesting stuff.

    There were many other nuggets of information that others might find interesting as well. I read this site from time to time but cannot vouch for it’s accuracy etc…

    Perhaps smarter heads here can be of help in figuring out if this report is legit. Thanks in advance.

    http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2554.htm

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  23. qzy says:

    I’ve seen it theorized that the F.B.I didn’t fully investigate Hillary for her email server because that would implicate Barack Obama. But, I’m beginning to wonder if the FBI didn’t investigate because evidence would be found of THEIR communications on her illegal server. Based on the content of the Strozk/Page emails, it seems like they were really working for her, and not Obama.

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  24. evergreen says:

    Judge,
    Press it all the way. They’re hiding criminal acts behind feigned national security concerns.

    Co-op students, secretaries, and even low-life Schiffs have top clearances and access. No reason a federal judge hearing a Special Counsel case should not have access to the legal foundations behind the firewall.

    There are countless ways to solve this problem, including having a banc of FISC judges sitting in review of the document and playing 21 questions with Ellis as he searches for foundation without seeing “critical” information. That’s the trivial solution that fixes this “problem”. However, there is no desire to fix it because the fix is in. So, the bottom line is Ellis MUST push this all the way, else corruption lives on.

    Ellis ought to stay all rulings and spring Manafort, release inpound of his finances, until he gets his interim clearance and access to view the document. Maybe sanction Mueller’s entire team, tarnish their records, and force them to lose THEIR clearances for bad character. Remember, the hired help, no doubt including legal secretaries, on Mueller’s team have clearances and access to this info. Ponder that.

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    • Howey says:

      Ellis is the Prime Directive of secret trials. He wrote the rules. How did he end up with this case? Add it up. Come on people I have laid it all out for ya. The evidence is on the table.

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  25. Howey says:

    The Ellis Doctrine…

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  26. evergreen says:

    By the way, since Mueller is pleading national security in the highest sense, he’s admitting that the foundation of manafort crime investigation is sourced in counterintelligence–answers Ellis’s questions exactly.

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    • Howey says:

      Can Muelley meet his four pronged test? Only he will decide. Not our 6th Amendment confrontation clause….National Security ya know.

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  27. Howey says:

    Under CIPA rules the Senate Trial of President Trump run by Justice Roberts would be a Star Chamber…In Secret. Bet the ranch. It is this bad.
    Nuke em’ now.

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    • Dutchman says:

      Sometimes it helps to look at things from a different angle. So, lets set aside 24d chess, and talk,…POKER!
      DJT is in a poler game. Hes dealt a royal flush, but of coarse his opponents dont know that. One if his opponents decides to bluff, and begins making large bets.
      All other players, except DJT and the bluffer, fold. Big pot, and bluffrr keeps raising the bet, DJT keeps seeing and raising. According to the rules of the game, eventually DJT isgoing to ‘call’, and his opponent is going to have to lay his cards on the table, revealing he has NOTHING.
      Some are arguing DJT should kick over the table, and accuse the bluffer of cheating. (Fire mueller, rosie, etc.)
      WHY in the world would he do that?
      He KNOWS he hasa winning hand, KNOWS the bluffer is bluffing. He ain’t gonna fold, and he ain’t gonna kick over the table. Hes gonna play the hand, force them to lay cards on the table, then smile as he rakes in ALL the chips.
      Anyone else WOULD have been distracted by all this b.s., their admin would have been hamstrung, unable to accomplish anything foriegn or domestic, and THEY would win.
      ONLY VSGDJT could and can play and win at this level, bless him.
      As bystanders watching the pokrr game, seeing the size of the pot, its easy to get nervous. We’re rapidly approaching the final ‘call’, and soon going to be seeing DJT smile as he scoops ALL the chips in the pot. His opponent has no chips left, and NOTHING in his hand. So, take heart, or quit watching the game.

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      • DanO64 says:

        What if the other player also has a Royal, in Spades? VSGs never bet. Nothing is ever left to luck. Just say N.

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        • cozette says:

          DanO64 President Trump is NOT, in fact, bluffing. Expand your thinking beyond a normal poker game analogy. Trump has access to all the Intel in the world including Saudi Arabias Intel. He knows EVERYTHING. Remember searches can go into the past because everything done via the internet or in the presence of something connected to the internet, like a TV, is scooped up and saved. Texts, audio, visual images. EVERYTHING. The Swamp NEVER thought they would lose control so they never hid anything. They were very, very careless. Trump and his team have EVERYTHING, even the things the Swamp thought they’d hidden by being sneaky after Trump was elected. Their efforts at post election secrecy were laughable failures. So Dutchmans analogy to poker is apt with the caveat that Trump knows every single one of the cards the Swamp is holding. For added fun, the Swamp know realizes this. Thats why you see so many Swamp Rats screeching like unhinged idiots on twitter and in the MSM.

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      • Bill says:

        Trump is playing cut throat euchre with the swamp.
        They haven’t figured out yet that he has changed the game… and the rules.
        POTUS holds all the Trump cards, while they are trying to get good poker hands from the cards dealt.
        They can’t figure out how he continues to euchre them, and win.

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  28. How long can you keep crow that has been cooked and still good to eat ? I’ve been keeping it ready but there has been some time past and many who should be eating it have postponed the time/date of the meal ?

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  29. Meanwhile, back at the Police State aka the US of A, another innocent Trump acquaintance gets storm troopered:

    https://apnews.com/6dd33b4234634079821e5825f112e85b

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    • Dutchman says:

      Dan 064:
      How can you ask? Every day, it becomes clearer, other party is bluffing, has NOTHING. They’ve tried everything, muh russia, financial dealings, sex, recycle endlessly. They don’t even have a pair.
      When you bluff in Poker, you either win big, or lose big. And yes, you know the joke about the old women who says “Oh, I never GAMBLE. I WAGER.
      The other player is gambling, not our VSG: he’s WAGERING.,,,,And winning.

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      • DanO64 says:

        I don’t think he would leave the fate of this country to luck. I agree with your narrative about him knowing he has the winning hand. He made sure it was dealt to him by the people who shuffled the cards. It was the military led by Admiral Rogers. Our VSG knows everything. I have a donut bet he knew all about the dossier before Comey tried his little blackmail dance. He knew what they were doing even before Admiral Rogers briefed him of the full extent. Lt. General Flynn was a must destroy for the deep state but it was already too late. The VSG knew!

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    • wondering999 says:

      Sonofagun! This is outrageous. They attack any friends or supporters of Trump.

      “Barrack, a wealthy real estate investor with close ties to several Mideast leaders, met Trump in 1988 when he negotiated the sale of The Plaza Hotel in New York to Trump. Barrack’s publicist in 2016 described the men as having since “solidified a lifelong friendship between themselves and their families.”

      “Barrack employed Gates last year, wrapping up operations on the Presidential Inaugural Committee, before Gates was charged by Mueller.

      “Barrack spoke glowingly of Trump in a CNBC interview in early 2016.

      “He’s one of the kindest, and actually most humble, friends that I’ve had,” Barrack said. “I have so much respect for him because at this point in his career, wandering into the milieu was not easy, and he’s changed the dialogue of the debate.”

      “Barrack also was among the featured speakers at the Republican convention where Trump formally received the nomination….”

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    • Howey says:

      Knowing Trump is hazardous to your mental health. Who is next? The Starter at Doral?

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  30. All Too Much says:

    Not sure if this has been posted, but this has yesterday’s court transcript from USA v Manafort

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    • Firefly says:

      Thanks for the link!
      Look at page 32
      “As a result, the specifics of the investigation were conveyed to us not on the face of the May 17 order but in interaction with the acting attorney a General”

      So Rosenstein and Mueller might not have written down what was being investigated. Recall Rosenstein testimony where he was evasive and saying Mueller “understood” what he was investigating.

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      • covfefe999 says:

        I like that Downing, one of Manafort’s attorneys, is suggesting that Judge Ellis look at Rosenstein’s original memos where he maps out why a Special Counsel was necessary

        Mr. Rosenstein even conceded when he was testifying up on the Hill and he was confronted with the question of, When did you expand the jurisdiction to the special counsel? He couldn’t or wouldn’t answer the question, but he did say very tellingly, I will go
        back and check my records, and I will get back to you. So we would ask that this Court order the government to turn over those records so that the Court doesn’t have to guess what happened.

        Downing said he worked for 15 years in the DOJ,

        five of which was under Mr. Rosenstein’s management. Mr. Rosenstein is a stickler for memos being written, for there to be a written record for the actions of the Department of
        Justice.

        Let’s see the memos, Rod.

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        • Lee Moore says:

          Agreed, but I think Downing missed a trick. As Firefly points out the SC’s lawyer admits : “the specifics of the investigation were conveyed to us not on the face of the May 17 order but in interaction with the acting attorney General” strongly implies that the specifics were conveyed orally and not in writing. This is of course consistent with the fact that a written memo was produced on 2 Aug 2017, because if there was already a written statement of the specifics dated 17 May, there would be no need for another one in August.

          So when Downing brings up the question of written memos written before the SC appointment justifying the appointment, he fails to bring up the most important missing document – the May document specifying the specific matters to be investigated (which the SC lawyer admitted was NOT the 17 May order.) Downing needs to get the SC lawyer to admit that there is no written May document itemising the specifics, which will be a devastating admission.

          Even if – as I suspect – the Judge finally accepts that the DoJ SC regs are not legally binding on the DoJ, the Judge will be happy to say that the DoJ regs weren’t followed. Because oral specifics won’t do.

          And if Rosie and Mueller didn’t follow the DoJ regs, then Trump has got an excellent reason for firing them. Moreover, if the Judge rules that the DoJ rules aren’t enforceable, but that’s lucky for the SC because if they were he’d throw the case out, the government can’t appeal to the friendly 4th circuit. So Judge Ellis’ comments on whether the DoJ rules were followed will be the final word.

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  31. Apfelcobbler says:

    “C’mon man” … Wikileaks:

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  32. Iamcat says:

    I love you Sundance! “Origin of the feces” spot on!

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  33. Johnny says:

    Someone may have mentioned this before if they did sorry.

    Question
    Did Baker and Page resign, per instructions from Mueller so that IG Horowitz could no longer investigate them once gone from FBI?
    It would free them up to be a secret witness for Mueller in the Manafort trial.

    Any help on this would be great. I stopped mowing the lawn today when I thought about.

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    • DanO64 says:

      hmmmm

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    • Robert Smith says:

      How would they be able to help on Manafort?

      I would think that they would try to get away from the swamp if they had any sense.

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      • Johnny says:

        There secret Gmail account might resurface with some info Horowitz does not have.

        Also who says they told Horowitz everything. Could they have been coordinating with Mueller the whole time. What if they were told they would be taken care of after the storm blows over. They would be a secret witness in Manafort trial. SECRET

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        • Robert Smith says:

          Wouldn’t Horowitz ask for everything? If not initially with Lisa, then during their many conversations? They were mentioned in her texts.

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          • Johnny says:

            I would hope so. But we are dealing with low life attorneys that were and are still involved in a coupe against the Potus.

            The timing stinks to high heaven. Well it does to me.
            Thank you also for trying to help me wrap my mind around this. This is why I come here, intelligent answers and questions

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    • cozette says:

      Baker and Page didn’t resign. They both were fired.

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      • Johnny says:

        Not trying to be a nuisance but all the reports said Resigned.

        It would not matter anyway, because Horowitz could not be privy after they gone
        No longer a FBI employee

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  34. YeahYouRight says:

    Of course this makes sense! This is how you get around that pesky 4A! Libs HATE the Bill of Rights!

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  35. Everett Miller says:

    If Sundance is right–about Sessions playing it straight and righteous although behind the screen and out of our sight–then Sessions has played RR from the time of his Memo to Trump referencing RR’s analysis to justify firing Comey–and has double-bluffed them all.
    If Sundance is wrong–about Sessions–our only hope (save torches and pitchforks) will be Judges, of which I have heard only Two appearing to be on the Right Side. Even the Supremes are not reliable to follow the Constitution as we have seen too many times–so keep your pitchforks and torches handy.

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  36. Dennis says:

    Sooo, CIPA case is it? And that would be what? the Canadian International Pharmacy Association? the Children’s Internet Privacy Act?, Congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis?, the Colorado Independent Publisher’s Association?

    Just a minor rant. I’ve noticed an increasing tendency of late to use acronyms instead of whole words. About 75% of the time I have no clue what these people are talking about. I believe the proper use entails a full spelling of the intended object followed by the acronym in parentheses and then use of the acronym thereafter.

    Thanks for your help.

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