Snicker – Tillerson Chats With Big Panda While Lion Rhetoric Roars in Background of Bamboo Forest…

President Trump tweeted this morning while Secretary Rex Tillerson is in China meeting with Xi Jinping about what to do with North Korea. ….or put another way: Tillerson chats about Rocket-boy consequences with big Panda while the sound of a lion roaring is heard over the background of the bamboo forest.

If you’ve been following along, Trump/Tillerson creating the need for ‘Magnanimous Panda’ is actually quite fun to watch unfold.

President Trump will never use the U.S. military to solve this regional issue.  The national security strategy is based entirely on economics (leverage) and diplomacy (ownership).  President Trump’s words and rhetoric against Kim Jong-un, and the response from Jong-un in kind toward President Trump, creates the foundation of a need for magnanimous panda to step in.

Remember, Beijing doesn’t want to take ownership of DPRK.  China prefers to retain influence over behavior, they are the enablers, but not be directly responsible for the enforcement of any agreement which comes with attached consequences (economic punishment) for DPRK violations.

The DPRK is a de facto province of China. Beijing’s communist old guard is ideologically aligned with the DPRK; but Beijing prefers the illusion of separation. If China is positioned as the agreement arbiter they visibly become attached to North Korea’s behavior.

President Trump forces the diplomatic entry of China (Magnanimous Panda) by maintaining strong rhetoric against North Korea, a ‘versus’ status.  This creates a situation where the U.S. cannot be both a confrontational element and simultaneously a participant in controlling the arbitration outcome and enforcement.

Cue the audio/visual example:

Too funny.  Media probably looks at this like Trump undermining T-Rex, yet they can’t quite sell that angle because Trump and T-Rex are in constant communication.  So TDS media goes with the ‘unstable Trump’ angle, which is fine because that plays into the objectives of getting Magnanimous Panda (China) to act as the arbiter of diplomatic stability.

I’ve got to believe at this point that Xi Jinping (and Beijing) fully understands what Trump is doing to them (he’s boxing them in); and China’s traditional retort would be to back-channel Rocket-boy into shooting another distracting missile to exit the trap.

I’m sure Secretary Tillerson (good cop) is also effectively signaling to Xi Jinping that no-one really has any idea what Trump (bad cop) might do if Rocket Boy continues his sketchy conduct.  Oh, if only Magnanimous Panda could step in…. etc.  Too funny.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – U.S. President Donald Trump said on Sunday that he told the top U.S. diplomat not to waste his time trying to negotiate with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

“I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man,” Trump wrote on Twitter, using his sarcastic nickname for Kim.

Trump’s comment came the day after Tillerson disclosed that the United States was directly communicating with North Korea on its nuclear and missile programs but that Pyongyang had shown no interest in dialogue.  “Save your energy Rex, we’ll do what has to be done!” Trump said.

Tillerson said during a trip to China on Saturday that the United States had multiple direct channels of communication with Pyongyang, the first such disclosure from the Trump administration, and that it was probing North Korea to see whether it is interested in dialogue.

Tillerson expressed hope for reducing tensions with North Korea, which is fast advancing toward its goal of developing a nuclear-tipped missile capable of hitting the U.S. mainland.

“We are probing, so stay tuned,” Tillerson told a small group of reporters during a trip to China. “We ask: ‘Would you like to talk?’” He said the United States had “a couple of, three channels open to Pyongyang.”

A senior U.S. official, asked for clarification about Trump’s Sunday morning tweets about North Korea, played down the significance of the communication channels.

“At a time when North Korea is continuing its provocations, the president does not think now is the time to negotiate with them,” the official said.  (read more)

“Bad Man” President Trump so scary.

For those who have followed the months-long strategy of President Trump toward North Korea and China, last weeks words from China fall squarely into place. Unfortunately for those who have not followed the approach, the nuances are lost.

What is happening publicly is entirely predictable when we accept what is happening privately, against the backdrop of activity that has taken place since February of this year.

Remember the Trumpian objective of creating the “Magnanimous Panda” as you read last week’s words from Beijing:

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – Reacting to remarks by North Korea’s foreign minister on Monday, China’s U.N. Ambassador Liu Jieyi told Reuters the escalating rhetoric between North Korea and the United States was getting too dangerous and the only solution was negotiations.

North Korea’s Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told reporters that President Donald Trump had declared war on North Korea and Pyongyang reserves the right to take countermeasures, including shooting down U.S. bombers even if not in its air space.

“We want things to calm down. It’s getting too dangerous and it’s in nobody’s interest,” Liu told Reuters. “We certainly hope that (the United States and North Korea) will see that there is no other way than negotiations to solve the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula … The alternative is a disaster.”  (more)

Within the larger objective of using economics to secure U.S. national security interests, ie. “The Trump Doctrine”, we have noted and outlined the specific elements needed as President Trump pushes ownership of the DPRK toward Beijing.

China cannot win the economic battle within the narrow space President Trump has created.  Specifically because the goal is to leave China no room, the latest sanctions from President Trump and Secretary Mnuchin were directed toward DPRK enablers, and not North Korea itself.

In essence the U.N. sanctions North Korea (Kim Jong-un), but Trump/Mnuchin take the sanctioning economic squeeze directly to Beijing by targeting those who do business with North Korea.  The difference is very visible yet the subtlety and effectiveness of the approach is lost on most Asian observers.

China doesn’t want to own the DPRK outcome.  They want plausible deniability in any confrontation.  However, N-Korea is a de-facto economic province of China under the guiding control and authority of communist Beijing.

In order to create the outcome where China accepts ownership of the DPRK, and leads negotiations therein, there has to be a value for Beijing, a carrot, toward the larger international community.

Considering the decades-long Chinese obfuscation of that role and responsibility, Trump needs to keep narrowing the diplomatic space until China has no options.  That’s where the magnanimous panda strategy comes into play.

Trump will never use the U.S. military to solve this regional issue.  The national security strategy is based on economics and diplomacy.  President Trump’s words and rhetoric against Kim Jong-un, and the response from Jong-un in kind toward President Trump, creates the foundation of a need for magnanimous panda to step in.

This year Beijing is holding it’s communist party national referendum, the Communist Party Congress, mid October.   This meeting happens every five years.

Beijing (AsiaNews) – The Central Committee’s Political Bureau (Politburo) yesterday chose 18 October for the opening of the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress.

The 200-strong Central Committee is expected to ratify the date when it meets for its last plenum on 11 October.

“[The congress] will formulate an action plan and set out major policy direction that will meet the demands of the era,” the Politburo said in a statement.

The congress, which is held every five years, is expected to re-elect Xi Jinping as party general secretary for a second five-year term. Xi is likely to get his own political philosophy included in the party’s constitution, placing him on a par with Mao Zedong, Deng Xiaoping, and others. (read more)

It is widely anticipated that Xi Jinping will gain more control and power over the affairs of China on economics and domestic policy.

Remember, it would be against Trump’s interests if the entire global and geopolitical community understood what was happening, as he attempts to create an outcome where China takes responsibility for North Korea.

So the question becomes, how will we know when President Trump has won in the economic and national security challenge?   Well, first let’s look at the geopolitical landscape and the known and identified calendar to view the goal timeline:

♦We know President Trump is planning to attend an ASEAN meeting in November.

♦We also know that President Trump is planning to visit China later this year.  Most likely that trip will be part of the ASEAN engagement.

So it makes sense that President Trump would like to conclude the outline of the economic diplomacy by the time of the ASEAN and China visit – such that: A.) President Trump can outline the agreement and stroke the panda’s ego on his turf; and B.) President Xi Jinping can announce his magnanimous victory on behalf of great Panda’s incredible achievement in providing great security to the world.



Meanwhile, just prior to the ASEAN/China meetup, President Trump’s secret weapon, Ivanka, who happens to be the most beloved American in China, is deployed to India to capture the world’s attention with Narendra Modi hugs.

President Modi is the “Trump Card” in the geopolitical economic gamesmanship.  China is currently at odds with India’s rise to economic power; Ballywood is very hot in the U.S. right now; and a warm Modi – Trump economic relationship is a foil against China’s heavy-handed extortion of their economic partners.

Whoopsie sounds like the makings of a fork in China’s One Road/One Belt plan.


::::still smiling::::

So, if this strategy works, and there’s every indication everything is falling into place, we can safely predict that sometime in late fall, most likely before the ASEAN visit timeline in November, President Trump and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson will be engaged in a new round of Six Party Talks, initiated by request of the increasingly boxed-in China.

China will structure the DPRK talking points to set up the meetings.  This is a part of how China is allowed to save face, against a backdrop of Trump/Mnuchin economic pressure, and sets up the magnanimous Panda narrative.

The six party talks will be essentially a Marshall Plan of sorts for North Korea.

Japan, South Korea, The United States, China, Russia and North Korea will enter into a set of negotiations publicly sold as engaging in diplomacy and reducing tension.  That tension is what President Trump is currently stimulating to keep the pressure on Beijing ahead of the Communist Congress.

With success, President Trump (or T-Rex) will sit on the patio complimenting Xi Jinping (or deputy), and Russian, Japanese and South Korean emissaries.

Meanwhile, well behind the scenes, in the conference room, Secretary Wilbur Ross, USTR Robert Lighthizer and U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin will play the role of Willy Wonka handing out the golden economic tickets to representatives who all line up with their requests for terms of economic discussion.

President Trump’s golf partner Shinzo Abe will already have his ticket, but he’ll play along.  South Korea and partnered ASEAN nations will also see a benefit. The only real negotiations will be between the U.S. Russia and China.  Russia will be negotiating for higher regional energy prices to get their GDP growing again (affluence) and increase their geopolitical influence; While China will be negotiating to retain as much of the $350 billion trade surplus as possible, and retain their one-road/one-belt viability.

The end result will be Kim Jong-un giving up his nuclear ambitions for good; China accepts responsibility to denuclearize the peninsular under carefully negotiated terms, and against the backdrop of economic punishment for duplicity, and publicly Big Panda promises to the world to be the magnanimous insurance policy therein.

Everything between now and that outcome is optically chaff and countermeasures.

♦SHORT TERM – When the denuclearization terms are finalized; only then will President Trump outline the broad parameters of a U.S./China trade relationship based on new renegotiated trade policies.  The mood of that stage within the strategy will be based on the cooperative behavior of China in the next 60 days.

♦MEDIUM TERM – Also, when Trump gets to that latter stage, China will be facing a different global economic landscape because President Trump and India’s Prime-Minister Modi have already formulated the outlines of a joint economic partnership.

♦LONG TERM – Economic leverage against communist China to remove the larger geopolitical threat they represent to the U.S. (and the international community) is gained by positioning India as a replacement for U.S. trade/commerce, and ASEAN partners as continental benefactors, with favorable access to the U.S. market, within bi-lateral trade deals.

Readers will note this bi-lateral strategic approach, in economic depth and breadth, also significantly reduces the internal economic benefits of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) amid partner nations.

That diluted TPP outcome does not appear accidental.


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100 Responses to Snicker – Tillerson Chats With Big Panda While Lion Rhetoric Roars in Background of Bamboo Forest…

  1. Fe says:

    I was totally prepared to see the waving panda picture, laughing joyfully instead at the smiling Wilburine picture. Nicely done SD.

    Liked by 11 people

  2. sundance says:

    Liked by 10 people

  3. Sharon says:

    Mr. President is precise and bold. It’s refreshing to watch, after such a long time without that righteous combination.

    Liked by 12 people

  4. Summer says:

    I don’t mind wiping North Korea off the map, though. Shock and awe and bloody hell will suit my current mood perfectly, if you know what I mean. Whatever happens in that accursed region, Mr. President, you have my full support.

    Liked by 4 people

    • backwoodsgirl123 says:

      I feel that way too, until I remember the prisoners, many of them Christians, that are in their prison camps…starving.


  5. rsanchez1990 says:

    Poor little rocket man. No one’s gonna negotiate with him. No one’s ever gonna treat him like a respected adult. All his life, he had to do what his daddies tell him to, his first daddy Kim Jong-Il and his second daddy the Chinese Communist Party.

    It’s OK little rocket man, go shoot off a rocket while the adults negotiate.

    Liked by 2 people

  6. Landslide says:

    This tag-teaming by President Trump and Tillerson is exactly why I still have hope for the same thing to be going on with PDJT & Sessions. Drive the media (and most everyone else!) crazy on purpose. Keeping plans known only to the 2. All I know for sure is that it is intriguing and maddening all at once! I watch with faith in God and greatest of expectations for my President.

    Liked by 12 people

  7. Sandra-VA says:

    I absolutely LOVE the dance that is going on right now. And anyone (talking heads/pundits) that thinks President Trump, T-Rex et al are NOT all working in harmony are idiots. The know-it-alls try to stay relevant with all these high falutin’ “muh diplomacy” ideas that have been failing all over the place, that President Trump is going against normal US diplomatic methods…

    And Bannon can kiss my grits!

    This is classic Good Cop/Bad Cop.

    It is called PRESSURE.

    I love it!

    Liked by 14 people

  8. Joe says:

    Almost nobody is doing business with NK. My research shows their top two exports are coal and non-knit jackets.

    75% of foreign trade is with China.

    Their top two imports are petroleum and yarn (yarn?!) so other than China, who really cares?

    Great theatre but no meat. Nobody is being squeezed here because nobody conducts any appreciable business.

    In my estimation, cutting the black market trade would have more effect, but still…?

    Allowing NK to fire missiles over Japan and Guam is a serious bitch slap, without the REAL threat of military response we have nothing?

    Question marks signify that I won’t suggest a solution because other than throttling the hell out of China via trade or a military strike on NK, I see no real solution; the former could kill the economy and the latter could start WWIII.


  9. maiingankwe says:

    Now that I know and understand a bit in what is really going on, I can’t help but chuckle at our President’s tweets. He’s got to be having a bit of fun doing it too.

    It’s also a great feeling to know our President will not employ our military. The idiots at the Hill, politico and elsewhere can keep on with their idiocy, I’m not even going to waste my time or energy trying to explain any sense to them even though I can always return with an I told you so! I’m just going to sit back and enjoy watching a true artist and pro at negotiating.

    This is so much fun! Thank you so much Sundance and all the Treepers here explaining so many of the nuances to us and just being so darn smart.

    Liked by 3 people

    • The Boss says:

      It’s fun to watch the timing of his tweets too. President Trump knows how to get the Fake News to broadcast his message far and wide, at a time of HIS choosing.

      Liked by 4 people

  10. no-nonsense-nancy says:

    I am so thankful that I found this site. I would have no understanding of what is going on with this issue without Sundance spelling it out. I tell my friends and they think I am really smart. Haha! I constantly tell them to read CTH and they do occasionally, but they are not glued to it like I am. thank you again, Sundance.

    Liked by 9 people

    • Trish in Southern Illinois says:

      I’ve been sharing these excellent threads with my uninformed FB “friends”
      I also copy a sentence or paragraph from the thread as bait to get them to click and read. That seemed to help, because some are now sharing my posts. Hehehe

      Liked by 5 people

  11. jmclever says:

    Noticed the article assigned the provocations to NK not US or Trump rhetoric 🙂


  12. Sandra-VA says:

    Liked by 6 people

  13. TwoLaine says:

    I heard today that our gubt sanctions office is not keeping up with this admins sanctions. In fact, they are WAY, WAY, WAY behind. Have we even done anything to them yet?

    Liked by 1 person

  14. pochas94 says:

    SD: “President Trump will never use the U.S. military to solve this regional issue.”

    Never say never.

    Liked by 4 people

  15. Sandra-VA says:

    Liked by 3 people

  16. fedback says:

    It was reported that North Korea had contacted Republicans to help North Korea understand Trump

    Liked by 2 people

    • Sandra-VA says:

      They also contacted Russia for help.

      Liked by 2 people

    • Phil aka Felipe says:

      Where’s the evidence the Republicans understand Trump? 🙂

      Liked by 7 people

    • sedge2z says:

      NoKorea asked Republicans to explain our President Trump?
      That is Rocket Man’s total ignorance of the USA!

      Liked by 4 people

    • Grandma Covfefe says:

      …so the Republicans and North Korea are on friendly, talking terms????? If true that is now getting very very interesting…..

      Liked by 5 people

    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      I see what they did there. This is getting REALLY interesting.

      Liked by 3 people

      • WSB says:

        The enemy of my enemy is a Republcan?

        Liked by 2 people

        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          It almost strikes me like a perp spotting somebody from the same “community” among the police officers, and – as the handcuffs are being applied – trying desperately to get *something* from their assumed ally, be it sympathy, explanation, or even just a chance to lash out at a “traitor”.

          Norkie Boy ain’t stupid – he knows that #GOPe, #Establishment and #NeverTrump – who just brought us #FakeObamacareRepeal – are in some ways more HIS allies than Trump’s. They’re globalist dupes, with a hand on the Panda’s thigh under the table. Going to them for advice is as much a poke at them, as it is at Trump. Maybe more.

          Globo-commie cat-fight at the North Pacific Denuclearlization launch party! Little Rocket Man, the most “out” commie of them all, causing a scene, and just threw some serious shade on the closet Dems, asking them to “explain” Trump, who just called a cab for him!

          “I’ll have popcorn with my champagne and hors oeuvres, please!” 😀

          Liked by 1 person

  17. kpm58 says:

    And what if Kim has not been talking with anyone yet he is hearing about all these direct communications.
    Somebody is going to be thinking they are not in control. A big ego is going to be bruised.

    Liked by 3 people

  18. Red says:

    I just can’t stop laughing at pic of Little Rocket Man in his little space suit. Reminds me of “Mini Me”, the little bugger, in his little suit😂😂😂

    Liked by 6 people

  19. fedback says:

    The former director of Britain’s spy agency, GCHQ, Hannigan, the guy who stepped down after Trump was inaugurated, says that North Korea is trying to loot British banks to fund its nuclear programme

    Liked by 4 people

    • dalethorn says:

      Didn’t Lenin, and Che Guevara and other Commies rob banks? I’m visualizing Kim with a mask on holding up a string of 7-11’s trying to get some cash.

      Liked by 3 people

    • WSB says:

      Was Hannigan handing it to him? Very strange about Hannigan stepping down with the Russian Dosier and all of that.

      Liked by 2 people

      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Wow. Interesting. Good grief. What in the heck were these globos DOING? I mean, Bill Clinton basically funded Nork nukes. Was this dude some kind of Anglo-Clintonista Labourite helping, or allowing them to grab the cash and not doing anything about it?

        Or maybe it’s just corruption. Spot the bad cash and demand a cut. I still think the Obama crowd got rich on the Iran deal.

        Liked by 1 person

  20. czarowniczy says:

    I believe that if Trump signals that a benign Communist government can be seated in NK China will, one way or another, slide Kim out the door. The Koreans and Chinese don’t really have a deep and abiding love for one another and China’s signaled from June 25th, 1950 that it will not accept a US puppet government on China’s Korean border.
    China also doesn’t want to go to war with the US over NK, at least not yet as it hasn’t finished its prep in the China Sea. NK serves as a neat China cutout on the Sea of Japan and as both hate Japan with a passion I still believe any agreement ovet NK will involve, openly or under the covers, something that limits Japan’s military buildup and its cooperation with the US in defense. The US cooperation may be a bargaining chip but China is really unhappy with the prospect of a remiliterized, especially nuke armed, Japan.
    Trump’s got the diplomacy Magis to get off their duffs, they’ve been paid for nearly 30 years of negotiating to stop NK’s nuclear program while NK went ahead and buolt one anyway. China’s in the position of reeling NK back in or facing united coalition determined to turn NK into a parking lot, a coalition China doesn’t want to face in a military action. Now if China can only keep all of the balls in the air until 2020.

    Liked by 5 people

  21. bessie2003 says:

    Is Dennis Rodman one of those back-channels of communication?


  22. tgmccoy says:

    This is a Moran column form PJ media aaaaa;
    Rick is a Never Trumper, He has no idea.

    Liked by 4 people

  23. oldiadguy says:

    Chinas has been calling for Six Party Talks since at least September of 2011, if not before, as the links below shows. The fact is, President Trump has been rattling the saber in regard to North Korea’s missile and nuclear tests for many months, yet a war with North Korea would devastate both North and South Korea and possibly Japan. As you stated a war was not going to happen, unless by accident. So now it appears the SPT are going to occur and perhaps the tensions can ramped down. So does the US and South Korea both still insist Pyongyang respect its past commitments to disarm before 6 party talks restart, or has that demand been dropped?

    Also, if I read it correctly, the new SPT will have a Marshall Plan for North Korea?? Who exactly is going to be paying for this new Marshal Plan? Russia supposedly has economic problems due to sanctions, China has a debt problem, Japan has a debt problem and the United States has a twenty trillion dollar debt problem, possibly a 200 trillion dollar unfunded liability problem and our own infrastructure is in need of repair, to say nothing about rebuilding Texas and Florida. Where is the money going to come from to rebuild North Korea?

    Take Care and Stay Safe

    Liked by 2 people

  24. It truly is The Greatest Show on Earth

    Liked by 2 people

  25. oldiadguy says:

    If India’s Modi being our ace in the hole, then I believe we are in trouble. Modi has a history of playing all sides. He did the same thing with Obama and Clinton.

    India is a founding member of BRIC (now BRICS) and has recently been accepted as a full partner into the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

    Turkey is also involved with SCO.

    “Turkey, a member of NATO, was granted dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) at the group’s 2012 summit in Beijing.[12] Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has stated that he has discussed the possibility of abandoning Turkey’s European Union membership candidacy in return for full membership in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. This was reinforced again, after a series of tension between Turkey and the European Union in 21 November 2016. Two days later, on 23 November 2016, Turkey was granted the chairmanship of the energy club of SCO for the 2017 period. That made Turkey the first country to chair a club in the organization without full membership status.”

    Also our friends, Egypt, Israel, Maldives and Ukraine have applied for dialogue partner status. There is a lot of activity by Russia and China towards building an Eurasian community of nations.

    Take Care and Stay Safe


    • dalethorn says:

      India is still in the Commonwealth of Nations (i.e. British Empire), and they will also overtake China as the largest country in the near future. So I expect India will favor the U.S. over China in most things, unless something unexpected happens.


      • oldiadguy says:

        Yes, India is still part of the Commonwealth of Nations, but that grouping of nations is from the old English empire, one the Indians fought on a number of occasions for their freedom from same.

        Also, India sided with the USSR and later with Russia and purchase military equipment from them over American arms.

        India has been charting it’s own course for several decades and has aligned itself with the Eurasian community. I don’t see them choosing the U.S. over China in the long run.

        I believe you mean that India will overtake China in population. Russia is the largest nation IRC.

        However, India has a GDP of $2.45 trillion USD and a landmass of only 1.27 million sq miles for their 1.32 billion people.

        While China has a GDP of $11.80 trillion USD and a landmass of 3.71 million sq miles for their 1.38 billion people.

        According to Wikipedia 🙂

        We will have to wait and see how things play out. That being said, I still do not trust Modi due to his past record.

        Take Care and Stay Safe


    • WSB says:

      India has been doing this since they found out they could overact more than Hollywood.

      We just have to deal with it. Bit of a paper genie. Save for the fact that there seem to be more IBM employees in India than the US.


  26. TreeClimber says:

    Is it just me or does T-Rex always look like he’s mentally sing-songing “I know something you don’t know!”?

    Liked by 1 person

  27. visage13v says:

    Fake news media saying President Trump is undermining his Secretary of State.

    Liked by 1 person

  28. oldiadguy says:

    FWIW – This is from the Russian Insider written by Pepe Escobar. He is not a friend of the United States and therefore has a different perspective of what is occurring.

    From Escobar’s bio page.

    “Incrementally, I have been arguing that Washington’s number one objective now is to prevent a full economic integration of Eurasia that would leave the U.S. as a non-hegemon, or worse still, an outsider. Thus the three-pronged strategy of “pivoting to Asia” (containment of China); Ukraine (containment of Russia); and beefing up NATO (subjugation of Europe, and NATO as Global Robocop).”

    “From Syria and Iraq to Ukraine, from AfPak to Libya, from Iran to Russia, and from the Persian Gulf to China, Escobar, crisscrosses what the Pentagon calls the “arc of instability.”

    I didn’t think about why we have troops deployed in so many out of the way places. Escobar may have found the reason. If I understand Escobar’s logic correctly, the North Korean situation may be a further attempt to contain China.



    The United States is excluded from both organizations.

    We live interesting times.

    Take Care and Stay Safe

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    • dalethorn says:

      Things to consider are: Europe has never gotten along with each other. The resistance to globalization and mass immigration is growing in Europe, causing more friction. Nationalists in Europe are realizing that we are probably their only friend in the world, keeping them from being swallowed by the Beast. In the battle between good (the Trump philosophy) and evil (socialist globalism et al), good will eventually win. Like the Trump administration is saying about NK, they’re going to have to join the modern world the easy way or the hard way – their choice. Same goes for Europe – millions of Europeans do NOT want to be globalized, Communized, terrorized, or otherwise have their identity crushed and killed. Changes are coming, and the smart ones won’t get caught in the meat grinder.

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      • oldiadguy says:

        One of the reasons there is an assembly of nations in the Eurasian landmass is to offset Europe and the U.S. influence and interference. They have their own economic, security and cultural needs separate from ours. There are many articles out there describing the different organizations that are forming and their goals. I don’t see them changing them at this point.

        At this point I’m not sure what President Trump’s philosophy is. As an example, he campaigned on stopping wars, peaceful relations with Russia. Now Trump has expanded our military role in Afghanistan, Iraq and has entered a sovereign nation (Syria), launched attacks on it’s troops and installations and is in the process of taking control of the majority of their oil fields.

        We are poking Russia, China, Iran, Venezula and North Korea and are either moving military forces to intimidate them, threatened to take military action against them or applied sanctions against them. So I’m not sure what Trump’s philosophy is at this point.

        My concern is that a mistake will be made, military action will ensue and all the nations we have threatened will join in on the action against the U.S.. If that should occur, the ones who will be caught in a meat grinder will be American kids.

        This why I am hoping for the best and praying for peace.

        Take Care and Stay Safe


        • jeans2nd says:

          FTA – “No one is more interested in a peaceful resolution to the conflict than them (RC), as any war would likely spill into their countries…The question is how to convince the DPRK to play along.”

          China knows that Trump is merely playing bad cop, as outlined above. One suspects Putin knows this as well. Their prob is convincing Kim Young Whatsits to be a good boy, which may not be so easy.

          Would it be such a bad thing to “allow” BRICS/SCO to do their thing while we continue with bilateral trade agreements? If/when the U.S., still the world’s largest economy, shifts away from China and towards India, China will not only have their expensive OBOR initiative, they will have North Korea to prop up financially as well as well as the loss of U.S. investments and exports. Pres Trump has already said we will not be paying for the rebuilding of the ME countries, so China may be on the receiving end of that bill as well.

          It may all end up as you said. But if our goal is a win-win for all sides, we may see a global realignment that no one imagined. That may be a good thing.
          Perhaps then we could start draining our own Swamp. One can dream.

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  29. Sandra-VA says:


  30. Sharon says:

    First two paragraphs:

    “China has sent an unmistakable signal that Kim Jong-un had better not rely on the historic alliance between China and North Korea to resist President Trump’s demands. In fact, as he dallies with his troop of teen sex slaves, he had better keep in mind that Beijing is wondering what it might be like with the Kim dynasty out of the way.

    “The Chinese way of delivering such a harsh message is to use a third party – preferably one without a policy role, but who clearly speaks for the ruling elite. Someone, for instance, like the dean of international studies at Beijing University (the Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Stanford of China).”


  31. LBB says:

    Once in a while T Rex says how important communication lines to remain open are. I had wondered what that would look like. It seems the private-sector plays a role in the process.

    “US-North Korean communication remain actives even in time of crisis” 10/2/2017


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