Media Continues Ignoring President Trump’s Economic Council Preparations…

White House Press Briefing – “We’ve received several inquiries on what the President — on his agenda for the past couple of days, so I’d like to read some of that out before I take your questions.”

“He’s had multiple meetings with key economic advisors, particularly on issues of trade, such as Ambassador Lighthizer, Treasury Secretary Mnuchin, Commerce Secretary Ross, NEC Director Gary Cohn, and Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, Peter Navarro.”

The only question is the timing. Now or after NAFTA?  It is better to have NAFTA finished prior to the confrontation? …if so, considering DPRK aspect, what is the better strategy in the space between now and the final conflict?

Remember, this battle is two decades past due and waged on behalf of the forgotten men and women of the middle-class. The purchased legislative body within Washington DC will attack our economic efforts with an intensity never before seen in this century or any century.  There are trillions of dollars at stake; this is the epic battle for middle America.

The administrative state will work earnestly to destroy these efforts on behalf of our enemy.  Along with Wall Street, every multinational corporation and multinational banking institution will be against us.

Nuance and subtlety is everything in China. Culturally harsh tones are seen as a sign of weakness and considered intensely impolite in public displays between officials; especially within approved and released statements by officials representing the government.

Historic Chinese cultural policy, the totalitarian control over expressed political sentiment and diplomacy through silence, is evident in the strategic use of the space between carefully chosen words, not just the words themselves.

China has no cultural or political space between peace and war; they are a historic nation based on two points of polarity. They see peace and war as coexisting with each other. China accepts and believes opposite or contrary forces may actually be complementary, interconnected, and interdependent in the natural world, and they may give rise to each other as they interrelate to one another. Flowing between these polar states is a natural dynamic to be used -with serious contemplation- in advancing objectives as needed.

Peace or war. Win or lose. Yin and Yang. Culturally there is no middle position in dealings with China; they are not constitutionally capable of understanding or valuing the western philosophy of mutual benefit where concession of terms gains a larger outcome. If it does not benefit China, it is not done. The outlook is simply, a polarity of peace or war. In politics or economics the same perspective is true. It is a zero-sum outlook.

Therefore, when you see China publicly use strong language – it indicates a level of internal disposition beyond the defined western angst. Big Panda becomes Red Dragon; there is no mid-status or evolutionary phase. Every American associated with investment, economics and China would be well advised to put their business affairs in order accordingly.

REUTERS […] Asked about calls from the United States, Japan and others for China to put more pressure on North Korea, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said it was not China ratcheting up tension and the key to a resolution did not lie with Beijing.

“Recently, certain people, talking about the Korean peninsula nuclear issue, have been exaggerating and giving prominence to the so-called ‘China responsibility theory.’

“I think this either shows lack of a full, correct knowledge of the issue, or there are ulterior motives for it, trying to shift responsibility.” “China has been making unremitting efforts and has played a constructive role, but all parties have to meet each other half way, Geng said.”

“Asking others to do work, but doing nothing themselves is not OK.” “Being stabbed in the back is really not OK.”

Geng told a daily news briefing, without naming any parties. (more)

Prepare your affairs accordingly. President Trump will not back down from his position; the U.S. holds all of the leverage and the issue must be addressed. The President and his team are entirely prepared for this. We are going to economic war with China!

The Olive branch and arrows denote the power of peace and war. The symbol in any figure’s right hand has more significance than one in its left hand. Also important is the direction faced by the symbols central figure. The emphasis on the eagles stare signifies the preferred disposition. An eagle holding an arrow also symbolizes the war for freedom, and its use is commonly referred to the liberation fight of righteous people from abusive influence. The eagle on the original seal created for the Office of the President showed the gaze upon the arrows.

The Eagle and the Arrow – An Aesop’s Fable

An Eagle was soaring through the air. Suddenly it heard the whizz of an Arrow, and felt the dart pierce its breast. Slowly it fluttered down to earth. Its lifeblood pouring out. Looking at the Arrow with which it had been shot, the Eagle realized that the deadly shaft had been feathered with one of its own plumes.

Moral: We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction.

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113 Responses to Media Continues Ignoring President Trump’s Economic Council Preparations…

  1. The Boss says:

    An economic ‘war’ will be very interesting. My bets are with the USA. There will be a lot of investment advisors and investors who will be hurt in the short term as Chinese stocks and associated ETFs get pummeled. Once the ‘war’ is over, I’ll be bargain hunting.

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    • Jedi9 says:

      Well my play is this:

      If a trade war does happen then the best places for short and long term investments are for starters safe havens!
      1. Gold
      2. Silver
      3. Japanese Yen (When ever the Yuan comes under fire, The big Chinese Investors flock to the Yen as a safe haven. This of course needs closer watching then investing in precious metals.
      4. USD (while it is true this currency acts as a safe haven as well, this is a bit risky in the short term due to debt liabilities that makes this currency a bit of a Gamble. In the long term will be good should US policies that favor Pro US stance prevail.
      5. US tech stocks

      Short term play: (Shorts)
      AUD (as they are heavily invested in Chinese markets. Iron, Copper, etc.) This could change however if China ramps up production on military hardware. However, will the Australian companies divest themselves in Chinese companies if such a trade war breaks out full tilt and their alliance with the US takes precedent in the name of national security? This remains to be seen, as metals such as Copper, Iron could spike if demand increases such as what we have seen recently in the markets.

      EURO (As of late the EURO has been bullish, and sometimes acts as a safe haven too, but they are vulnerable if the Yuan gets hit hard. This one needs close watch, especially with the Italian elections around the corner. With the migrant crisis reaching epic levels particularly as it relates to Italy, they are on record recently expressing their desire to leave the EU. If this happens other countries will be contemplating a similar exit. The pairs most affected will be EURO/JPY and EURO/USD

      GBP (They too are heavily invested in China, and could see a short term dropped, but only in the short term.) If manufacturing returns to the US and a bilateral trade agreement with the US happens, the GBP will recover but will take time for the pound, “sterling” to gain strength to recover to reach new levels pre 2016.

      AUD/JPY ( Another pair that can spike based on safe haven status with the YEN)
      NZD/JPY (Same reason as above)

      Others to watch for possible sell:

      Samsung and any other tech electronics coming out of SK
      US companies within China

      Another possibility for long positions:

      Oil

      Currently Brent Crude is at $47 and West Texas at $45 per respectfully. Currency that could see a spike should this scenario play out is the CAD which is heavily dependent on the price of Oil. (This could see a spike if any shipments are disrupted or the demand increases which is likely if):

      A) A geopolitical conflict breaks out
      b) Trade embargo’s start to happen especially relating to shipments going through the south China sea.
      C) Any disruption in production output. (Players are: Russia, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, and Canada.)

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      • David says:

        Decent options. My unsolicited advice is to invest in US manufacturing. Bout to be a boom there hehe…

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        • Jedi9 says:

          I agree, but that is going to take some time, and the threats from within trying to thwart Trump’s agenda to bring back American manufacturing (AKA The Globalist sympathizers) will no doubt throw everything they got in stopping him from achieving that objective.

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          • Tom says:

            Your #s 3 and 4 made me laugh. Are you unaware that Japan is THE most, bar none, indebted nation in the world, worse even than Greece, with declining demographics ? I personally would stay far away from Japan. Cheers!

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            • Jedi9 says:

              No I am aware, but I trade for a living and I know what I am talking about! Yen is a safe haven for many Asian business interests when Yuan and other factors are considered risk.

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            • Jedi9 says:

              Also “most indebted” is true that distinction does belong to Japan, but their GDP output regardless of declining demographics, as Japan is one of the leading countries in automation has actually gone up. US is not even in the top ten but having China own 35% of US debt where they have recently sold it to other Nations is considered a bit of an unknown currently in how it may drive the value of the dollar lower in future years. The YEN and the Dollar in the short term can be bets for safe haven, and GOLD and SILVER are good long terms bets for safe havens.

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  2. Trumpstumper says:

    Sundance, this is far more riveting than Donald Trump Jr’s emails. 🙂
    Heck with popcorn,
    I’d like a salt and pepper fishhhhhhh, plez

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  3. Bull Durham says:

    I’ve been thinking on this subject laid out quite brilliantly by SD.
    I wonder, though, if, for instance, a deep trade war locks in place for many months to years, why would any of the money we hope to repatriate and use for infrastructure and growth be brought back by companies deeply integrated with China? They would need it overseas to bolster the hit on their own revenues and growth.

    Unintended consequences. Already, Apple has announced a deeper involvement with government in China. And many other corporations primarily manufacture and distribute from China using the supply chain from Japan and South Korea and the many Free Trade Zones China has on the Mainland and throughout SE Asia.

    I hope this is just a big stick we are “carrying”, but we don’t strike with it.

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    • I hope we stike. I buy from China. I own a manufacturing company. We could buy our materials from an LA based company, but it is 10% more.

      But

      Three years ago, it was 40 % more. Maybe the time is right, and we take the hit.

      I also notice that Janet Yellen has held interest rates where they are, unexpectedly, saying that inflation is now more of an issue than it was a few months back. Go figure.

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      • Esperanza says:

        To my mind we are entering a new cycle and the time is right to be more self sufficient. Also schlepping crap across the world is bad for the environment.

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    • David says:

      Granted, there are negatives. But what is missing here, is the secondary piece threatened/taken by this particular chess move. The piece being persued, DPRK and their recent nuclear activity, is to be placed in jeapordy via checking China, the method being disrupting trade with them. Ok, what’s the secondary threat we are presenting with this move? Why, that would be the manufacuring defecit the USA has and the goal of reversing the decline of the rust belt, and to create US manufacturing and Jobs. This man didn’t win Michigan because those folks like his personality. He has promises to keep. What better way to jump start your manufacturing, and create all the jobs that go with it, then to be in a trade war with your biggest supplier of goids? A justified, completely justified, in the interest of national security, trade war with a primary goal of de-nuclearising the Korean peninsula! The subsequent hard reverse in our manufatcuring industries, and by proxy our self sufficientcy, is what you get when you slide that castle the other direction, when your primary goal moves away from the threat. In this case, that would be China not budging, continuing to increase trade with the DPKR, etc. Didn’t work. Call Mattis. However, get to hiring, we got stuff to build, cause we cant buy it from the Chinese. The beauty of the move is, you get goal 2 regardless, but it was done well enough, odds are good he captures them both: China holds out a bit, gets in trade conflict with USA. We begin building, hiring ads go out. Kim Jong keeps shooting missles into the water. The 3 carrier task groups in the area start to flex there muscle. China backs off, squashes Kim and eliminates goal 1, as part of their attempt to “win us back”..1 and 2 captured, China lying economicaly prone to the USA…move forward from there. This guy is good, powerful move indeed…

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    • WVPatriot says:

      Apple, as so many other companies, is an un-American destroyer of the American middle class. They have no allegiance or care to the past or future of America. They are all globalists who do not care if we continue down the tubes to 6th world country status. Let their products rot on our shelves. Why ought we purchase their products when that act only means we are hastening our impoverishment?

      The life blood of a middle class is CAPITALISM and MANUFACTURING!!! In a ‘service’ industry country, the few live well, not the hundreds, thousands and millions in a manufacturing country — such as China!!!

      And sadly, Made in the U.S.A. is getting harder and harder to find in any American store!

      MAKE AMERICAN; BUY AMERICAN!!!!!

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      • doit4atlas says:

        Furthermore, Apple doesn’t give a crap if they destroy the potential for 100,000,000 middle class Americans to buy their phones, they simply shift that potential for 500,000,000 Chinese to buy those phones and it’s a huge win for them. In the end, they used the American capitalist system and everything we built around it to grow Apple to what it is today, only to sell out Americans to foreigners.

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        • Tom says:

          Except that China is not a premium market like the US. If China’s economy takes a hit, as it will very intensely because they are grossly overleveraged everywhere, Apple will be dropping the price of that iPhone by hundreds of dollars because Chinese won’t be able to afford it otherwise. And Apple’s bottom line will suffer significantly as a result. Good luck with that.

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      • RG says:

        Yes, I own my last Apple phone and only hold on to it now because of the $600 price. Let’s get back to basic phones and leave the computers on the desktops. Let’s stop with the 24/7 so called news cycle and get back to facts, investigative reporting and leave the opinions for radio. Yes, we are fed a lot of disinformation daily and Maxine’s opinion or the opinion of John McCain has become tiresome to say the least.

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    • The Demon Slick says:

      It’s a trap. Take the example of Boeing. In order to sell aircraft in China, they agreed to build 3 factories in China AND share all their specs and designs. While the 3 Boeing plants were being built, China secretly built 5 exact duplicates a few thousand miles away in other provinces. The logical progression will be that Boeing will soon have to compete with exactly the same aircraft sold at lower prices, not just in China, but globally. Dumb. And that’s without any disruption. If things get hot China can just take their stuff, and the billions invested will be gone.

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  4. Bruce says:

    There is no media. There is only the opposition/DNC mouth piece. No matter what we do, they will try to undermine and resist. Americans will suffer if we let them get away with resisting the America first agenda.

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  5. dt says:

    It is time to stop calling these vicious psychopath traitors “Media” or MSM!

    They are an extension of the International Communist clique.

    They are enemies of civilization. Along with every single democrat!

    A more fitting name must be applied to them.

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  6. Sylvia Avery says:

    “He’s had multiple meetings with key economic advisors, particularly on issues of trade, such as Ambassador Lighthizer, Treasury Secretary Mnuchin, Commerce Secretary Ross, NEC Director Gary Cohn, and Director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy, Peter Navarro.”

    Ah, so. (Was that culturally insensitive?) Looks like it is game on.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      Trump is gauging the downside, so he understands all the possible outcomes. I’m sure he already has the game mostly figured out, but he’s filling in all the blanks and making sure he understands all the options.

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      • SharkFL says:

        Speaking of blanks, my two, big concerns remain: the vast & deep US goverment agencies which are still, seven months in, literally crawling with globalists and foreign-allied infiltraitors. Also, the big blanks where Presidential nominees should be if only the “republican congress” would approve them .. hah

        Wouldn’t it be wise to now do the big clean-out (fire everyone two levels down) and rehire from a new screened applicant pool. Let the old people apply for their jobs back after they pass screening, including polygraph AND checking their social media posts.

        Wouldn’t it be better to have a full roster of loyal government employees BEFORE we embark on economic hardball with the Red Dragon?

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        • wolfmoon1776 says:

          That’s the game China wants us to play, IMO. Delay, delay, delay. The thing that finally beat Obama was pushing back faster than he could back up without tripping. Same with China. Don’t give them time – THEY are the ones who profit by the clock. They have the patient game down. Give them what they hate.

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  7. I have often wondered about our many US corporations who have gladly gone over to China to build plants and hire Chinese workers. The time and money spent – in terms of planning and building the infrastructure. The time and money hiring and training Chinese to work in all of these plants, the expense of housing, feeding and flying US executives back and forth who are responsible for safety, compliance, audits, quality control, and overall management of the workers and the middle managers….

    And it can all be confiscated by the CHINESE government in an instant, right?? Something like a trade war, where POTUS **totally** has our backs and will not back down because of the trade leverage we hold and the CHINESE will absolutely not lose face….

    The CHINESE will just take these shiny new plants and all these busy bee workers and suddenly they have massive capabilities to turn those plants into …

    …and what do we have? Our heavy manufacturing was decimated years ago… So what we have is a bunch of empty rusting manufacturing buildings, which can be seen in any town from Illinois to New Jersey….

    But what I’m trying to say here is I don’t understand the thought process of our US corporations who have shut down operations in the US and opened up plants in China. It must all just come back down to the trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars at stake. It all just seems like such a foolhardy long-term predicament for short-term gains. Not to mention our ill-preparedness for a major war, God for bid It should ever come to that again…

    All this said, I oddly feel no fear of the outcome with China, as I believe POTUS is God-led and directed and that POTUS’ goals and motives are righteous.

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    • P. S. Sundance, thank you for the warnings and advice concerning our various financial affairs. I think you are spot on.

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    • Kokanee says:

      You know all that money we owe China? If they take our stuff we say I guess we are good…. and then freeze their assets in the US.

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    • Sylvia Avery says:

      If it happens that China confiscates some or all of our industry in their country, it is going to hurt. No question.

      Such things have happened before. Usually when there is some kind of takeover of a country by the Marxists they seize American stuff like oil companies or whatever that are in that country. I remember it happening in South America, for example.

      I suppose the corporations must see it as the cost of doing business. It is riskier to go to a foreign country and open up shop. Nothing like the old USA. There’s a lesson in there….

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    • Think about this. If the Chinese govt takes possession of these investments then they have to actually run them. And therein lies the problem. How long before they go under due to politicians steering the ship as opposed to market driven owners? We’ve seen this move before. Venezuela ring any bells? China knows this. They do not want to own all these businesses. They want to collect taxes from them. Huge difference.

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      • I was thinking more along the lines of them turning those baby lotion factories into military equipment making factories… 😦

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        • Stringy theory says:

          Takes money to do that and their income stream will have run out. The US is the world market. The CHICOMS will be so screwed.

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        • Jenny R. says:

          You have to have the tech to do the military equipment…how good is China’s tech? And the plants have to be geared towards such things…how quickly could they retool (even if they did have first class mil tech)?
          And the overlooked factor is: right now DPRK isn’t just a client of China…how strong are the alliances between China and those other client states, really?
          China’s just like everybody else. It’s got 99 problems, and we’re just one of them.

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      • Esperanza says:

        You’d think so, but if you read the data mining pdf posted on this thread, that’s not the direction they’re taking. Don’t underestimate their capacity for totalitarian bureaucracy. Another example. I once went into a Chinese take away here. The food looked good, but it was empty, despite being one of the only lunchtime places on the street. I saw why. Half an hour to microwave my order! Then they let it go cold! I could see it on the counter. I went and asked for it, they said no, someone will bring it to you. The place was empty! There were about 6 people working there. The protocol was they each had to pass it 20 centimetres to the next one. People next to me left. This was why the place was empty.

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        • Alligator Gar says:

          Folks, you might want to watch the old movie “Sand Pebbles” to see about the Chinese concept of the worker’s “rice bowl.” Seems to be a very different understanding of work there. Either they don’t work, or they are chained to their desk at production factories. There appears to be no middle ground for workers over there.

          I read a story in some mag a while back about the trials of a young lady vegetable seller in Beijing. She rented 1/2 of a concrete, windowless, bathroomless, kitchenless underground bunker cell from the Cold War. That was where she lived. She pushed her cart of vegetables all around her sector all day and had to go back to that at night. The country didn’t care how she lived. So much for the dictatorship of the proletariat, eh?

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      If you have seen how off-shoring gains currency in companies, and how it influences executives, it is PUSHED onto people. Executives who resist it are shoved aside, undermined, and phased out. I watched the insidious program taking hold with my former employer, and was shocked at the trickery used to advance self-harming policy. It was the close correlation with Chinese / Clinton / UniParty / globalist sketchiness that finally explained things.

      People like Zuckerberg don’t like to be told by their worker bees what reality looks like from the cubes. They want to change reality according to what they heard at Bilderberg or Sea Island.

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  8. Joe says:

    My question is this: do current Americans have the stomach for the sacrifices necessary to win an economic war against China?

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    • Oldschool says:

      Joe, NO Americans do not have the stomach for it and many don’t have the pockets for it. Our involvement in combat abroad is not easily tolerated, economic pain in our daily lives will result in many turning on Trump. As Bull posted above, there are likely to be serious unintended consequences.

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      • wondering999 says:

        I had an argument with a relative recently about childraising. Many middle schoolers think that life is about pushing their parents to buy expensive things for them, things that strain the family budget. Meanwhile these same kids do not learn the skills that they would need to survive in a crunch, the kind of difficulties that my father experienced during the Great Depression, the kind of difficulties my mother’s family faced in a starving country overseas.

        A decade ago, a friend’s Russian husband went back to Siberia for the summer to plant, harvest and can for his elderly mother so that she would not have to go hungry in the next year. Times were very hard in Russia then, and probably still are for many people. However, this man had the skills and the will to help his mother, to extend resources in conditions of poverty.

        My point is the majority of our country have no idea of how to cope and survive poverty. Some families make it a game and a project, but most haven’t a clue. Including many of my conservative relatives!!

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      • Joe says:

        But if we can frame it as a patriot endeavor?

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        • Oldschool says:

          I think many of us would accept that as a patriotic duty, but enough of us? We are not the country or the people we were in 1943.

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          • M. Mueller says:

            We have to pray and show God to the people. God has this.

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          • piper567 says:

            Old school…I agree w/you. As any of you who consider yourself to be sensible preppers, know, acquaintances, while admiring you for your common sense, will laugh and say, Oh, we’ll just come over to your house if tshtf !
            I have had several people say these very words to me.
            And, you know, whenever a hurricane threatens to strike, the stores are cleaned out of emergency supplies.
            While many good things can come from living in the present, any type of perspective suffers greatly. And I think this lack of perspective, hangover from poor job markets, low information populations, and the pressures discussed here due to poor parenting…all this and more add up to a general lack of actual coping skills by a huge swath of our Public. Just look at US first response to disaster: its the Government’s job to come to the rescue.

            I believe a big mistake was made by not declaring War on terrorism after 9/11. The opportunity for engagement of the population was lost by constantly speaking of the war on terrorism, while the public felt no consequences or impact…No consequences, no impact = no change in behavior. More importantly, no sacrifice. I kept waiting for this to change, but it never did.
            After 9/11, there was a huge influx of people into churches which lasted ab 3 weeks…For many, this congregating in churches was no permanent shift in behavior or thought, but normal human need for congregating in times of high stress. Had it been a move to humility, a true search for grace in this new world, attendance at churches would have remained higher than prior to 9/11; it did not.
            We are not who we once were. Sure, there is a remnant; there will always be a remnant. But I believe we fool ourselves if we think everyone (or even most) who voted for Trump is willing to sacrifice, or would be able to maintain in an actual economic pinch.
            I am not saying I do not support Trump’s decisions in this China debate, for I trust him to explain his thinking. But I am very suspect of the notion that people will rise to the occasion w/o massive civil unrest.
            We already are experiencing the response of spoiled snowflakes to that which does not meet their expectations. When those who do not have the understanding of the backstory, as we do, are called upon to tighten their belts, I believe a bit of trouble is to be expected.
            The good news is that I also believe Trump and his Cabinet are not so naïve as to not imagine unintended consequences. With any major problem they have successfully sought an answer in favor of USA and its citizens.
            Sorry ab the length here, but I think Oldschool raised a provocative point.

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            • Alligator Gar says:

              Just a footnote about the church attendance. It goes down and down, and not because everyone is too tied up in themselves and having a good time on the weekend. I left the Southern Baptist church in 2014, the church I was raised in, after nearly 40 years. I couldn’t stand it supporting importing “UACs” and “refugees” that should have been helped in their own country by the missionaries who were paid to do just that. (In Islamic countries, the Convention could have sent missionaries (medical, teaching, etc.) to the refugee camps in Jordan, etc. and helped the people where the people actually lived!)

              So, a lot of church non-attendance has been driven by Americans sick of the ‘social gospel’ and paying for our own demise with the very tithes we thought we were giving to God to do his work at home and abroad.

              Re-engineering the ideals, religion, morals, and population of countries without the consent of the resident population is not preaching the gospel of Christ. It is implementing the plan of the Enemy,

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          • kp3ace says:

            American workers for America! I like that idea!!!

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    • missmarple2 says:

      They will if we give them ammo.

      Buy 4 pairs of pants for your kids instead of 6 and do more laundry.

      Shop used by using eBay, garage sales, Salvation Army, Goodwill, auctions.

      Buy American whenever possible.

      Demand labeling on all items.

      We can do this!

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    • Esperanza says:

      If it’s like here, what sacrifices? We can’t afford cheap crap anymore anyway. Many don’t have jobs.

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  9. 4sure says:

    As much as I love the idea, I don’t see it happening.

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  10. quintrillion says:

    I recall when President Nixon opened China. This is a very good article about Nixon/China 1971.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/flash/june/china71.htm

    Then, after Tricky Dick there was Slick Willy The Globalist creep
    http://money.cnn.com/2000/01/29/economy/davos_clinton/

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    • filia.aurea says:

      This was the turning point into stupidity -According to documents from the Commerce Department, in 1995 the Computer Systems Policy Project (CSPP) was represented by Tony Podesta. His brother John worked for #Slick.
      Read more at http://www.wnd.com/1999/04/7043/#GyxjjPUkqQRHQjMT.99

      The criminal Clintons and Podestas have been screwing us for decades, and they’re still around! IBM’s supercomputer technology transfer allowed the Chinese to skip 60 years of development for a fast buck.

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  11. fleporeblog says:

    From the Reuters article above:

    China has been making unremitting efforts and has played a constructive role, but all parties have to meet each other half way, Geng said.

    “Asking others to do work, but doing nothing themselves is not OK,” he added. “Being stabbed in the back is really not OK.”

    After reading that report, my cold anger has risen! Who the hell does this POS think he is! We aren’t going to back down to these commies. If they think Barry is still President, they better wake up because our President and his killers have been waiting for this. They may even thank the little Fat Man for allowing them to take out the Panda and his morons. Bring it ON! We are America and we don’t take a back seat to anyone! The world is finding out that America First runs through our veins!

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  12. missmarple2 says:

    Regarding a trade war with China, I am more optimistic.

    I posted some ideas above, I have many more, as I live on a very small income.

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    • thluckyone says:

      With ya, missmarple. And I’m thinking so MANY of us have so much to share. What if we started going through our closets (yet again) and just prioritized giving stuff away to those who really are trying to do better for themselves?

      I think I can do still more with less and I believe the very resourceful American people can put me to shame with their ingenuity and generosity. I know many people are already doing this kind of thing. I just want it to become more widely promoted and a habit for us all! And THANK YOU for your ideas posted above!

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  13. 4sure says:

    Have to agree w/Bull and Joe. The bought and paid for uniparty will never let an all out trade war w/china or mexico take place. Americans will never be willing to accept what could result in the short term. When multi-national corps. start leaving america in droves in protest, wall street starts tanking, this plan will fold faster than a cheap lawn chair.

    A fairer trade policy can be implemented, but not a trade policy that would decimate china. China could and would still do OK under a trade policy more favorable to us.

    Regarding the Norks., that problem is going to be ours alone to solve.Taking out little kim or any such successor, should be the plan. Why it has not already been done is what we should be asking. Filling kim’s shoes w/same policy should be viewed as a suicide waiting to happen by any potential successor.

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    • setup2100 says:

      The Corporstions will not go anywhere with a 15 % Corp Tax rate. Quite opposite effect they will be lined up to come here China or NO China war. TRUMP gets his tax plan in place we WIN and They WIN and take the US market from CHINA and they go back to being a 3rd World country. It is called leverage and TRUMP is a MASTER at this GAME.

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      • Oldschool says:

        Great point set up, IF congrass will do something.

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        • BobBoxBody says:

          It’s only a matter of time. They are MUCH weaker than people realize at this point. The grassroots insurgency works, and with Trump as POTUS it’ll be MUCH harder for the Swamp to evade exposure on where their loyalties lie. It won’t be overnight, but we WILL flush these turds down the toilet.

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    • Oldschool says:

      Agree 4 sure

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    • wheatietoo says:

      Which multi-national corporations are you referring to, the ones that you say would ‘leave in protest’?

      Most of them are here in-name-only, with the majority of their operations overseas in order to take advantage of cheap labor.

      They maintain a corporate presence here…to enjoy the protection of claiming to be a ‘US Company’…but for the most part, they have already left.

      And Wall Street traders have no loyalty to any company.
      They will quickly shift to investing in domestic companies that look like ‘safer’ bets.

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    • Esperanza says:

      China needs to rely on selling stuff to its own people more. They are losing their health, dying to manufacture cheap stuff for us. We are losing our health and depressing because no job to put ourselves into debt to buy their cheap crap. It doesn’t make sense.

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  14. georgiafl says:

    Cutting legal immigration:

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  15. Donna in Oregon says:

    President Trump negotiates. Feel much better knowing our President is watching out for us. Scary? Nope, getting ripped off is scary.

    Taking care of America is the best idea ever. Takes some getting used to. Stockholm syndrome? Perhaps….

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  16. JustSomeInputFromAz says:

    Simply amazing the cynical comments that hit a thread immediately with user names not used during Primary and General Election.

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  17. Agreed JustSome….and don’t leave out the chicken-liddles’ sky is falling routine.
    China is the country that will be in pain in a trade war; heavy reliance on the USA….at least as far as I know….or maybe I am missing something?
    I’m sure someone out there will set me straight in short order!!!

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    • ladyliberty11 says:

      Abigail, you are a straight shooter and you hit the bullseye, It’s a matter of intestinal fortitude and in that category, the Chinese have nothing on our glorious President or the American people!

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    • Jenny R. says:

      A trade war with the U.S. will encourage China to pursue to an even greater degree their new One Belt initiative (instead of going for encouraging domestic production — corruption and ossification of bureaucracies and thinking don’t just happen here). This in turn will be encouraged by Europe and the MENA…it will lead to other consequences (not reading history closely isn’t just something Americans are guilty of). The old Silk Road had many positive aspects; it also had some really negative ones. I don’t think certain players are considering all of the outcomes.
      We will have to face some hardships and even danger…but perhaps it is time to consider how much we might avoid as well.

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  18. Marica says:

    I am fine with cutting off China stuff! I am willing to pay more for MIA… but treepers–what “stuff” do we need to stock up? Toilet paper, paper towels, etc..? or are we talking about big purchase items? I know this sounds silly because SD is talking about corporations–but what can we do as ordinary families to ready ourselves?

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    • thluckyone says:

      Marica, please start by reaching out to like-minded people. Develop community(s) around sharing and mutual support if you’re not already so blessed.

      Consider gardening and sharing and community planning for canning and storage. Consider how to store WITHOUT the use of a refrigerator or freezer. Develop back-up fresh-water resources (yes, I hope it never comes to that).

      Consider the tech-toys you can live without and consider ways to share what you have.

      Consider ways to teach your own or learned skills to others who need to know.

      Be ready to share unused clothing and shoes. You may be already involved in donating and, outright swaps are not a bad way to help yourself and help others.

      However, I’m thinking clothing and shoes will be continue to be readily available (but a lot of us may be wearing cargo pants and other very utilitarian garb for quite a while). Heavy industrial manufacturing may take some time to ramp up but we live among Americans. Americans can do ANYTHING – when we pull together. I sincerely believe that. AND, I think there’s gonna be a whole LOT of construction going on – everywhere.

      Food and fuel should continue to be readily available (I’m too ignorant to know what foods we buy from China but I don’t think it’s much – and no fuel to speak of). Find some farmer’s markets and reach out to producers and develop good relationships wherever possible. Getting to know hard working people can be FUN! AND, you may also have something to offer them. Relationships (I believe) are key.

      My sense is that China needs us a LOT more than we need them. There has been a trade war raging against the citizens of the USA for a LONG time. China is only one of the (many) worst offenders. The only change here is that our Beloved President is seeking a more fair balance of trade and is using our leverage to “influence” the Chinese to do NOW (regarding NorKor) what they could have / should have done decades ago.

      I see no reason for panic. I think the pain is gonna be mostly felt by the Chinese people. That much I hate because I have a special affection for China from their history before the “…dark times. Before the empire (Cultural Revolution) came.” However, the Chinese people are ALSO pretty self-reliant – when they have to be.

      I don’t think this is the end of our long and mutually beneficial relationship with China. It’s just a long overdue course correction. We’re gonna get through this.We’re gonna pray together and we’re gonna work and share together. On the other side, I think the Chinese will respect us more and I think we will like them even better.

      Mostly, let’s continue sharing here – in this cyberspace. There is already an INCREDIBLE community here. I wouldn’t miss it for the world.

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    • piper567 says:

      Marica, you might start with the sidebar upthread, which sundance has kindly supplied. Its below the TreeHouse and Chapel pics.
      this is a list of common sense stuff: great place to start.

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  19. mikebrezzze says:

    Time to go “long” on rice, as soon as China announces “trade war” every chinaman in the east will try to hoard a metric ton of rice! Chop suey to the rescue! Ha!

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  20. A2 says:

    I have a number of lengthy posts on this topic so I do not wish to bore with endless repetition. I just wish to make a few points. Nothing will be new to the experts in the Trump administration.

    President Xi does not like confrontation (evidenced by how he eliminated his political rivals). He gets surrogates to do the nasty bits. Therefore whilst Geng is making blunter and more aggressive statements, his superior, Ambassador Cui on Monday, toned down the rhetoric, blamed Congress for escalating tensions (two were subsequently named Sen Corker and Rep T? both I think, not sure, because they sponsor sanctions bills on China). The substantial points made by both Geng and Cui are essentially the same, the double suspension strategy. (They call the US policy the Four Nos and One Should). Well we all know what ‘double suspension’ means by now, China backed by Russia has made that clear.

    The Chinese CPC mouthpiece press has written a number of uncharacteristically positive assessments (this is the Pres Xi treatment) characterizing the great Xi/Trump relationship holding up against the nasty US press and Congress who wish to derail their friendship and bash China.
    The analysts in Chine also believe they have six month window before they have to pressure DPRK for real, or Pres Trump will take unilateral action. Meanwhile they are maneuvering over ‘UN sanctions are not an embargo”. This is a clear indication that something’s up. Meanwhile, Xi is making as many deals as he can, setting up the Djibouti PLA base and one in Pakistan, meanwhile fighting another border war with India and hammering India at very opportunity to get on the China belt and road highway.

    The two targeted blacklisted Liaoning companies are small potatoes in the crony capitalist world of China Party/State. I wrote about this on the presidential thread. The sanctions will work as they get closer to the CPC ranks (there are more members of the communist party than the entire population of Germany) family business cartels. The problem with the sanction regime in place is it only suspends US connected interests and many businesses and banks, like Dandong, have foreign accounts that can not be touched. Therefore the necessity of getting all countries on board to have an effective sanctions regime.

    As to whether Nafta or China first? I say I know of no better or skillful people who know how to walk and chew gum at the same time. Do both. In two days Sec Tillerson and team are meeting with their Chinese counterparts. Show the Chinese good old fashioned American RESOLVE.

    (A point of clarity, Geng’s statements, “Asking others to do work, but doing nothing themselves is not OK.” “Being stabbed in the back is really not OK.” was allegedly in response to a question raised by a reporter to a John Bolton quote about NK and military action).

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  21. MOA says:

    “The purchased legislative body within Washington DC will attack our economic efforts with an intensity never before seen in this century or any century. There are trillions of dollars at stake; this is the epic battle for middle America.”

    PTrump and his long riders must continually point out who is opposing the President and why.
    Otherwise Middle America will never know about the crony Statists and their hold on the US.

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  22. G. Combs says:

    Since Sundance and President Trump are talking about economics, I want to add some background. This is a combination of stuff I wrote ages ago when I was trying to figure out what happened to the country I love. It explains the highlights of the history that lead up to the mess we have today. It is long so I will post in sections. I hope it helps give a bit of background to what Sundance says and what President Trump is doing.
    ……….
    The goal of the elite is and has always been a return to a feudal system with an aristocracy, followed by a thin layer of suck-ups (craftsmen/scientists and administrators) and the majority of the population as serfs.

    Karl Marx, in the Communist Manifesto (1848) point blank says the enemy is NOT the aristocracy but the middle class, the bourgeoisie. He also makes it clear that reason, aka ‘the icy water of egotistical calculation’ is also the enemy because it is drowning out ‘the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism’ of the Social Justice Warriors who FEEL instead of using reason.

    The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors,’ and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous ‘cash payment.’ It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

    The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers.

    Fast forward a 167 years and we have Christiana Figueres at a news conference in Brussels ( October 2015,) admitting CAGW was all about change the world’s ‘economic development model’ to COMMUNISM!

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution… democracy is a poor political system for fighting global warming. Communist China is the best model.http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/021015-738779-climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism.htm#ixzz3vZ5WdpUr

    Figueres is a disciple of Al Gore, and Executive Secretary of the UN Framework Convention.

    [continued]

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  23. G. Combs says:

    [Cont.]
    In 1913 the Globalists made the kill shot for setting up the downfall of the USA. This was a critical step in their march towards a world-wide feudalistic state. It consisted of three moves:

    1. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913: This act substituted Banker Script for gold backed money, though they didn’t tell Americans that. The act also allows the Banksters to accrue all the interest on lending their fairydust while leaving the tax payer libel for the cost of all their lending mistakes.
    A large collection of articles on money “… provides a overview of central banking, the Federal Reserve and the specific steps that the Globalists have used to thwart the United States Constitution for the purpose of redistributing the wealth of our country.” — can be found @: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/blueplate/billions_contents.html
    2. The 16th Amendment: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.” This amendment funneled money directly into the pockets of the Globalist Banksters. The Grace Commission report notes that 100% of personal income tax goes to pay interest on the national debt, the lion’s share of which goes to the banking cartel that we know as the Federal Reserve.
    At the same time that corporate taxes and tariffs on imports (excise) have gone down, taxes on personal income has gone up.

    This allowed the Globalists/Banksters a direct method for siphoning off the personal wealth of each working American and pocketing it. Not content with this they used the wealth they accumulated to fund their next step in the destruction of personal freedom. [Continued]

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  24. G. Combs says:

    [Cont.]
    The next step was to confiscate America’s gold.

    Excerpt from Congressman McFadden’s Speech

    “… “By his unlawful usurpation of power on the night of March 5, 1933, and by his proclamation, which in my opinion was in violation of the Constitution of the United States, Roosevelt divorced the currency of the United States from gold, and the United States currency is no longer protected by gold. It is therefore sheer dishonesty to say that the people’s gold is needed to protect the currency.

    “Roosevelt ordered the people to give their gold to private interests- that is, to banks, and he took control of the banks so that all the gold and gold values in them, or given into them, might be handed over to the predatory International Bankers who own and control the Fed.

    “Roosevelt cast his lot with the usurers. “He agreed to save the corrupt and dishonest at the expense of the people of the United States…”

    For his speeches in Congress Congressman McFadden was killed on the third assassination attempt.

    In these speeches Congressman McFadden also says these same bankers funded the Japanese in their war against Russia and the Bolshievik over throw of Russia. Note that control of Korea was central in the First Sino-Japanese War (1894 – 1895) the Russo-Japanese War (1904 – 1905) and Second Sino-Japanese War (1937 to 1945.) The Marxist Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (RSDLP) held its first Party Congress in 1898 and the Communist Party of China was founded in 1921 after the destabilization of both China and Russia.

    Also of interest is Lessons of history: China’s century of humiliation (Opium Wars) and China Picks at the Scab to Keep the Wound Fresh

    Translation: China has hated our guts for 100 years and still does. Companies that moved to China should have paid heed to this. China in no way is a friend of the USA.

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  25. G. Combs says:

    [cont.]
    So what happened next?

    Nixon is the President who gave us the EPA by executive order, OSHA, opened the US market to strengthen Mao’s Communist China, and closed the gold window since foreign banks had stripped all the ‘good deliverable gold’ from Fort Knox. This lead to massive devaluation of the dollar, followed by the OPEC cartel hiking the price of oil. (Remember ARAMCO was a Saudi-Rockefeller enterprise and the Rockefellers have always wanted a monopoly on energy.)

    *****************
    But it was Reagan’s Administration, the Era of the Hostile Takeover aka Leverage buyouts that really gutted the core of the USA. — Our Manufacturing.

    In 1970 the % of the workforce employed in manufacturing was 26.4% In 2013, it was about 8.8 % of total U.S. employment at which point the government quit keeping track. We had close ~23% unemployment rate the entire last eight years. In spite of the government numbers GDP has acually been below zero according to ShadowStat.

    First you have to understand what a “Leveraged buyout” IS.
    “…A leveraged buyout (or LBO, or highly-leveraged transaction (HLT), or “bootstrap” transaction) occurs when an investor, typically financial sponsor, acquires a controlling interest in a company’s equity and where a significant percentage of the purchase price is financed through leverage (borrowing). The assets of the acquired company are used as collateral for the borrowed capital, sometimes with assets of the acquiring company. Typically, leveraged buyout uses a combination of various debt instruments from bank and debt capital markets…
    The leveraged buyout boom of the 1980s was conceived by a number of corporate financiers, most notably Jerome Kohlberg, Jr. and later his protégé Henry Kravis. Working for Bear Stearns at the time, Kohlberg and Kravis, along with Kravis’ cousin George Roberts, began a series of what they described as “bootstrap” investments…”
    — WIKI – Leveraged_buyout
    Many of these targeted companies, like the one I worked for, were DEBT FREE. They owned the factories and equipment.

    Notice the PROPERTY used for COLLATERAL of these loans was NOT owned by the Corporate Raiders! THIS is nothing more than THEFT and FRAUD! It would be like me looking at the 500 acres owned free and clear by a couple of retirees and I go to the bank and get a mortgage using that land as collateral. Actually since the bank prints the money on the spot and US citizens eventually pay for it via currency devaluation (Lower wages/higher prices) WE are now the moral and ethical owners of all those ‘leveraged’ buyouts.

    So where the heck was CONGRESS. Where the heck were the COURTS when these raiders were confiscating our national wealth, our manufacturing base???
    “…Both economic and regulatory factors combined to spur the explosion in large takeovers and, in turn, large LBOs. The three regulatory factors were the Reagan administration’s relatively laissez-faire policies on antitrust and securities laws, which allowed mergers the government would have challenged in earlier years; the 1982 Supreme Court decision striking down state antitakeover laws (which were resurrected with great effectiveness in the late eighties); and deregulation of many industries, which prompted restructurings and mergers. The main economic factor was the development of the original-issue high-yield debt instrument. The so-called “junk bond” innovation, pioneered by Michael Milken of Drexel Burnham, provided many hostile bidders and LBO firms with the enormous amounts of capital needed to finance multi-billion-dollar deals….” http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/TakeoversandLeveragedBuyouts.html

    So what did the US government do about this highly unethical practices???
    ..In January 1982, former US Secretary of the Treasury William Simon and a group of investors acquired Gibson Greetings, a producer of greeting cards, for $80 million, of which only $1 million was rumored to have been contributed by the investors. By mid-1983, just sixteen months after the original deal, Gibson completed a $290 million IPO and Simon made approximately $66 million.[9] The success of the Gibson Greetings investment attracted the attention of the wider media to the nascent boom in leveraged buyouts.[10] Between 1979 and 1989, it was estimated that there were over 2,000 leveraged buyouts valued in excess of $250 billion…..— WIKI – Leveraged_buyout

    So a US Secretary of the Treasury started the sellout of our economy. Reagan through his laissez faire attitude did nothing to stop it.
    This is a sampling of the industries with over 50% foreign ownership, according to Source Watch http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Foreign_ownership_of_U.S._corporations

    Color me unimpressed by Ronald Reagan.
    [Continued]

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  26. G. Combs says:

    The last move perposed by the Banksters is to actually confiscate the wealth of individuals. 10% to be exact.
    They already tried it out when The EU decide[d] to give all depositors in the banks of Cyprus a “haircut” and take between 6% and 10% of their money. and it seems New Zealand is going to follow the Cyprus lead.

    And they had it planned for the USA and other Western countries too:

    http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/national-planning-cyprus-style-solution-greens/5/150410

    Canada had something similar.
    The IMF quietly in 2014 suggested a 10% wealth confiscation on ALL private citizens to pay of the Banksters gambling debts.

    ” The tax rates needed to bring down public debt to precrisis levels, moreover, are sizable: reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels would require (for a sample of 15 euro area countries) a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth. (page 49)”
    The International Monetary Fund lays the Groundwork for Global Wealth Confiscation
    Alternate story: http://investmentwatchblog.com/imf-recommends-stealing-americans-wealth-now/

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    • F104 says:

      Thanks for the info. It is very sobering and real. I read people talking about this article and had to respond with some reality. I don’t see Trumps’ Goldman Sachs team trying to tear down what THEY created. Trump needs to start some house cleaning in our country before he starts carrying on with the Chinese. Our politicians sent all of our manufacturing over there. The chinese just shrugged their shoulders and said “Thanks”.
      This act by our Congressmen and Senators was an act of Treason against the people of the United States. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
      I still believe in Trump. My evidence is the level of hostility thrown at him by the fake media and both political parties. When does the house cleaning start? That is the question.

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  27. Donna in Oregon says:

    The big banks have set-up another derivatives bubble on debt and credit derivatives. Jaime Dimon was hauled before Congress in 2012 because they were terrified that he would start another derivatives rip-off before it’s time. The London Whale is a taste of what is to come for Credit Derivatives. China bought into them too. The Globalists have another crime wave planned which will suck all of the world wealth in one giant scheme. These people think they can pull it off too.

    Americans will be counting our lucky stars that President Trump set us up a firewall with Community banks and Credit Unions. Blocking out the big banks is the best idea ever. When these large financial institutions pull another meltdown the entire world economy is going down.

    America will be self-sufficient.

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  28. copperchief says:

    Economic FREEEEEDOM!!!! #MAGA

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  29. trapper says:

    Let’s come at this from a different angle. Suppose the following: 1) Kim won’t give up his nukes and can’t be bargained with. 2) Trump isn’t inclined to use military force to eliminate Kim. 3) Trump is willing, perhaps even eager, to deploy massive economic pressure against China. 4) Economic pressure against China would have two intended results: a) settle decades of economic depredation against the US by China, and b) induce China to exert influence over Kim. The problem with the last one, 4b, is that it is in conflict with 1 above.

    So, if Kim can’t be bargained with, and won’t give up his nukes, what would be the objective of economic pressure on China? Where does it lead? My guess is that the objective is for China to take out Kim. In effect, we would be telling Dr, Frankenstein “You made this monster. YOU go destroy it.” No influence. No inducements. No negotiations. No deals. Just take him out. And no economic normalcy between the US and China until Kim is gone and the Nork nuclear program has been destroyed. Meanwhile, we will have new trade deals with Canada, Mexico, UK, Japan, Taiwan, Poland, France …

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