President Trump Smartly Navigating A Stable Foreign Policy…

During a February interview which broadcast just before the Superbowl, President Trump recalled riding with former President Barack Obama to the Inauguration on Jan. 20 when he asked Obama to list the three greatest issues America was facing.

[…] “I asked him what you think our biggest problem is and he told me,” Trump said, recalling the limousine ride to the U.S. Capitol with Obama.

“I can’t tell you,” Trump said after O’Reilly interrupted to ask about specifics. “But it’s a problem, its a military problem with a certain place. No, it’s not China. But it is – he did mention, cause I did ask him what would you say our number one, two, three problems are and the number one problem that he felt – I was a little bit surprised, but I fully understand.” (link)

Almost every mainstream political pundit and political observer believes the concerning country within that conversation was North Korea. Indeed, if you were to evaluate the comment in isolation, against the backdrop of world media headlines, N-Korea seemingly becomes a natural conclusion.

However, CTH does not believe North Korea was the country of concern. President Obama viewed and acted upon all foreign affairs through the prism of ideological belief. Every action taken by the Obama administration was in furtherance of an ideological world-view that was personal to the small circle of like-minded fellow travelers.

Outgoing President Obama would not respond to such a question from an abject detachment to the same ideological road-map that drove his foreign policy positions.

No, if it was a country of concern to Obama it would have a personal element to it; North Korea just doesn’t fit.

President Trump went on to say he did not believe Obama would mind if he had shared his answer, but said he did not want that country to know it is viewed as the number one concern to the U.S.

Businessman Trump is President Trump and in both roles Trump has shown through action a keen forward approach. Trump games-out long term objectives and strategies.

Often by the time you see a visible Trump action there has been months of pre-planning.

The President Xi Jinping visit with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago is one example that people are only just now beginning to understand. Trump seeded the objectives of the meeting with President Xi months before their April 6th and 7th meeting (emphasis mine):

[…]  “You gotta work on North Korea,” Trump told a Chinese official on February 27, the senior administration official said, apparently pointing to a brief meeting at the White House between Trump and Chinese State Councilor Yang Jiechi, the highest-ranking Chinese official Trump has met with since taking office. (link)

In the events surrounding Syria and Russia President Trump also had mapped out a long-term strategy.  Instructions that did not come from Trump’s team, but rather from President Trump personally.

Back in January, before taking office, President Trump told his National Security landing team to approach the intelligence communities and request “outside the box” solutions to Syria (Via Russia/Iran), as one regional issue; and North Korea (using China) as another.

The responsibility for assembling the information fell upon the administration’s IC liaison Deputy NSA Advisor  KT McFarland.

The media do not talk about President Trump having the acumen to approach global issues with specific personally generated strategy.  The MSM obviously prefer to sell Trump’s approach as reactionary or emotional; however, as we have seen from the results so far, nothing could be further from the truth than the media’s false narrative.

So where does that bring us?

Well, considering everything outlined above; and considering the location of the MOAB as utilized; and considering the location where President Trump directed his National Security Advisor to go…

Well, I would make an argument the Obama-Trump conversation was about a tenuous nuclear country who hid Osama Bin Laden for ten years, Pakistan.

National security advisor H.R. McMaster, left, with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in Islamabad on April 17. /Reuters

(Via World Tribune) […] McMaster visited Islamabad on April 17, a day after holding talks with Afghan leaders in Kabul.

He delivered a public message to leaders in Pakistan, whom Afghan officials accuse of permitting Taliban jihadists to establish sanctuaries and conduct attacks into Afghanistan with the help of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, Voice of America reported.

“As all of us have hoped for many many years … that Pakistani leaders will understand that it is in their interest to go after these groups less selectively than they have in the past and the best way to pursue their interests in Afghanistan and elsewhere is through diplomacy not through the use of proxies that engage in violence,” McMaster said.

The Pakistani government said in a statement that the U.S. delegation included Lisa Curtis, a researcher with the Heritage Foundation think tank in Washington, who McMaster has hired to oversee South Asia affairs.

In February, Curtis co-authored an article calling for Washington to “levy heavy costs on Pakistan for policies that help perpetuate terrorism in the region.”

In his first trip to the region since being named national security adviser, McMaster met with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his top foreign policy aides before holding talks with the country’s powerful military chief, Gen. Qamar Javed Bajwa.  (link)

Syria (via Russia), North Korea (via China) are, in large measure, diplomatic matters with clear White House objectives and political goals.  Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has been intensely successful so far in handling all of these regional issues with exceptional diplomacy and international support.

President Trump, T-Rex and to a lesser extent Nikki Haley, have aptly navigated through the issues surrounding Syria and China; and with ongoing diplomatic endeavors continuing Vice-President Pence is dispatched as a sincere, stable and trustworthy closer.

However, Pakistan is an entirely different kettle-of-fish.  Pakistan policy currently involves higher priority intelligence community and military efforts; ergo, McMasters doing the advanced recon, and a rather noisy knock at the door just prior to arrival.

[…]  This is the majors now. Trump has to outwit world-class adversaries and “frenemies” by defining the deals that they will agree to. One minute they will think Trump is their friend – the next minute, a cunning, bitter foe.

And he has to do this with evil cheerleaders like Warhead, Linderace, Dipsy Dowd, Maggie Haterman, and Fake Yapper trashing him or praising him alternately, no matter which way he goes. They can’t keep up, either.

Neither can many around him. I think that half of the problem with advisers crashing into each other is they don’t realize what Trump is doing.

And people will trash you, and they will trash me. Get used to it. I’ve already caught plenty of people mocking me. Well, just wait a week in Trump time. Look stupid and conned by Trump one minute, and you look like a sage three days later.

Trump will not find perfect solutions. He will find OPTIMAL solutions. We cannot ask for more. Trump has stood by and watched Perfect murder Good for 8 years – maybe longer. He’s not gonna do it. He’s going to deliver the best outcome possible, and he’s not waiting for us to feel relaxed about it.

[…]  Trump is Jupiter moving through the asteroid belt. He is going to pull people into his orbit. A few will get slung off into space, but most will come along for the ride of their lives.  (more)


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184 Responses to President Trump Smartly Navigating A Stable Foreign Policy…

  1. Sedanka says:

    Obama probably thought the #1 problem was Israel.

    Liked by 31 people

    • SoCal Patriot says:

      That wouldn’t surprise me at all…good guess.

      Liked by 9 people

    • Pam says:

      I bet you 1000% he did.

      Liked by 11 people

    • Steven says:

      I’m sure Obama very much wanted to tell PDJT it’s his good own country (USA) that is the problem #1, but he did not have the gut to say so with MAGA! Go, MAGA, go!

      Liked by 8 people

      • mopar2016 says:

        Great article, and another great lesson from Sundance.
        I really liked the analogy of Mr. Trump and Jupiter.
        Jupiter is the largest planet in our galaxy, and could hold one thousand Earths.
        It rotates so fast that one day is only eight hours long.
        It has surface winds of one thousand miles per hour.
        While it cannot sustain any known form of life, it performs a very important role for our Earth. If Jupiter were not placed precisely where it is, comets would strike the Earth one thousand times more frequently than they do, threatening our very existence.

        Liked by 11 people

        • WSB says:

          That was the quote from Woolfmoon1776.

          But I love your lesson about Jupiter…never knew! Thanks!

          Liked by 3 people

        • SteveInCO says:


          Jupiter is the largest planet in the solar system (not galaxy), its rotational period is between 9 and 10 hours. You are, I believe, right about its physical size.

          Its mass is something around 300 times that of the Earth. In fact, most of the matter in our solar system that is not the Sun is in Jupiter. The Solar System could be described as the Sun, Jupiter, plus some debris.


    • average Joe says:

      I would have guessed,he said,USA.

      Liked by 6 people

    • Big Nick says:

      Obama was concerned about a country with no transgender bathrooms. 🚽🚽🌈❄️

      Liked by 7 people

    • Stringy theory says:

      That came to my mind as I was reading this piece given oblamus’ muzzie leanings.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Notmeagain says:

      That would have been my guess. And #2 and #3 would be countries affected adversely by Israel.

      Liked by 1 person

    • mikeyboo says:

      That was my first thought as well.

      Liked by 1 person

    • dalethorn says:

      Oh, the light just dawned here … good one!


    • The Ghost formerly known as Prince says:

      My thoughts exactly.


    • Jedi9 says:

      “all foreign affairs through the prism of ideological belief.”

      That is the crux of this entire perception of the political climate in which Obama operated on. Carson said it best in laymen terms that Obama’s based his decisions on Ideology rather than on common sense and challenged that premise as a modern dogmatic approach unto itself.

      “The problem with Post Modern theories is that if there is no universal Truth, how can anyone objectively criticize human acts such as the Holocaust, slavery, forced female genital mutilation…? So on the surface, Postmodern perspectives disarm all political philosophies, including the entire basis of liberal democracies like the United States that are based on the “self evident” principles of equality and freedom. But these “self evident” principles, it perhaps turns out, have no more basis in objective “truth” than the basis of Nazism, the Taliban, Stalinism; they are simply another set of culturally bound ideologies.”

      I argue that Obama and his staff come from this school of thought, were as Trump is still old school and doesn’t fully embrace the post Modernism premise, but see’s the world as having universal truths. Big difference, and I personally argue the we maybe witnessing a new cultural movement such a “Postpost modernism that embraces returning to more traditional values like family, religious, moral compass, etc., etc.!


    • R-C says:

      My first thought was that “The Worst Problem Facing America” was riding in the car with (then-) President-Elect Trump on January 20th.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Mal says:

      It is!


  2. Beryl Bomb says:

    I’ve heard for years that we have to play nice with Pakistan or they will share their nuclear knowledge with our enemies.

    So if our enemies get themselves nuclear knowledge, what have we got to lose?

    Liked by 4 people

  3. Donna in Oregon says:

    I hope Pres. Trump has something special planned. Pakistan has held us hostage with their nukes and proximity to Afghanistan since 9/11. After the Usama bin laden kill right in their military community, we should have immediately cut off the money. One can only hope ‘strategic patience’ is over for them too.

    Liked by 6 people

  4. Niagara Frontier says:

    Sometimes I wonder how susceptible foreign governments and their own intelligence agencies are to the gas lighting and false narratives, making already dangerous situations even worse.

    I pray every night that foreign leaders and governments have learned by now that President Trump does NOT communicate through the U.S. media, and that a few whacked-out, globetrotting senators do NOT speak for the U.S. government.

    Liked by 10 people

  5. rsanchez1990 says:

    And where are the Awan Brothers from? Pakistan! Were Democrats in Congress complicit in allowing Pakistani agents access to some of the nation’s most sensitive intelligence, and paid them nearly three times the average House IT salary to do so? We won’t find out as long as Andrew McCabe is Deputy Director of the FBI.

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  6. Shadrach says:

    Whether or not Obama thought Pakistan was our #1 threat….you’d think he’d be more prosaic….I agree with your analysis that it is a top threat. Interesting article from War on the Rocks back in 2011 on this point.

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  7. wolfmoon1776 says:

    Yes – Pakistan is a thorny, chronic issue. Afghanistan is their version of Syria’s Lebanon. Their ideological laboratory, that turns into a briar patch for any superpower they can tempt into it. The Pakistan-Afghanistan non-border is one of the eternal flash-points of the world.

    I agree – Pakistan would be a big surprise answer, but it makes sense. It’s the overheating back burner that cannot be turned off, that always keeps the chef running around the kitchen putting out fires and boil-overs.

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    • WSB says:

      And then just add Turkey to it for more headaches.

      Liked by 7 people

    • Charlie says:

      Turkey is number one. Location, location, location is all a builder sees.
      ps. BO didn’t give him this tidbit, POTUS knows BO is never truthful.
      President Trump went into that first transition meeting with BO knowing BO
      had been spying on Trump tower.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        I agree that Obama might easily LIE about which country would be the greatest problem. Add that complication to the mix. And YES – Obama said it, knowing that he, Susan Rice, Ben Rhodes, Valerie Jarrett, and Abdul Brennan had been spying on everything they could get on Trump and those around him. LOTS of second-hand information, including what people think Trump thinks.

        What a mess.

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    • dalethorn says:

      I’ve worked with several Indians (India), who all pretty well agreed that the Pakistanis tend to be fanatical and a bit unstable. I’ve also worked with a couple of Pakistanis, who I also regard as fanatical, but they were highly skilled in technology. A few years ago when Hewlett-Packard was focused mainly on engineering products, their head of development was a Pakistani. My opinion is that techno-skills and fanaticism is a dangerous mix.

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        “My opinion is that techno-skills and fanaticism is a dangerous mix.”

        Wise words. I have always felt that the most formidable constraint on the abuse of technological skills is the individual morality of scientists, obeying the dictum “Thou shalt not kill.” I don’t really mind people being fanatical about that one. It’s religions with “Thou must kill _____.” which don’t play well with technology in the hands of zealots.

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    • Coldeadhands says:

      Love the back burner metaphor!

      Liked by 1 person

  8. Gov Jay says:

    Everyone missed this one… The Marxist community organizer believes that the biggest problem America faces is itself… regardless of what he told President Trump…

    Liked by 8 people

    • WSB says:

      Didn’t miss it. Top of the thread. Great minds think…🎓

      Liked by 6 people

    • Afghanistan Solution: Batter up… [reposted from Sunday]
      • How and Who will end its role as a Terrorist Sanctuary?
      • Will President Trump make Pakistan a win-lose offer they cannot refuse?

      Pakistan has been a purveyor of Nuclear Weapons technology, which must end.

      India could become a useful partner for President Trump in beginning to frame a solution.

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    • dalethorn says:

      It’s only a problem for Barry because America didn’t lurch to the Left like he wanted it to. I think the big test where Obama realized he was an impotent failure was when he tried to curtail guns and the 2nd Amendment. Americans bought guns in record numbers, and then greatly expanded gun owner rights. I almost feel sorry for him – he could have left the White House like a man, but went out humiliated instead.


  9. wyntre says:

    A stellar analysis of President Trump

    #POTUS @RealDonaldTrump’s Brilliant Management Style

    Every management style has plusses and minuses. We happen to prefer President Trump’s management style. The other management style used by people such as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama simply does not work in our modern society with all its divisions.

    Trump’s management style? President Trump is the center of the wheel. This makes President Trump a centripetal force when it comes to information. PDT sucks up information from all his aides, TV, publications, critics, everything and everyone.

    The management style we don’t think works for a modern president is the pyramid management style. That is the management style of people like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. This pyramid style is very structured and everyone has a place in the pyramid. The president at the top of the pyramid has all his/her incoming information filtered through those immediately below him on the pyramid.
    President Trump is at the center of the vortex and in calm control. Where Big Media and NeverTrumpers see “chaos” President Trump sees the vortex of information flows. President Trump understands the vortex he is in. President Trump at the center of the vortex knows how to use what orbits around him to move in the direction he selects.

    America’s enemies, foreign and domestic still don’t see the vortex, the TrumpNado as an intelligent force, moving deliberately to strike.

    Liked by 23 people

  10. Gil says:

    This was obummer’s #1 problem. Which one did he need?
    I think it was jarrett who heavily influenced the decisions.

    Liked by 2 people

  11. mikebrezzze says:

    Was that obama’s tea boy?

    Liked by 3 people

    • louche9 says:

      It reminds me of the picture of Ted Cruz in his younger days sitting notably close to another guy on a couch. In both instances, there doesn’t seem to be anyone else there. It’s noticeable in that in my experience, men, even close friends, don’t sit that close together unless they absolutely have to. Maybe I’m reading in.

      Liked by 5 people

      • mopar2016 says:

        Good call louche9, I was thinking the same thing.
        I believe that bongo stated numerous times that global warming was the #1 problem.
        That climate change “theory” doesn’t cut it. Photosynthesis is real science.

        Liked by 7 people

  12. wheatietoo says:

    But Obama has always had a thing against “Pockeestahn”.
    He mentioned them back in 2008, during the campaign.

    Not saying they aren’t a threat.
    It’s just that…Obama lies. About everything.

    What’s weird is that trip that Obama made to Pakistan back in the early 80’s.
    What was that about?

    Liked by 7 people

    • Sedanka says:

      Thanks for mentioning that – Obama’s pronunciation of “Pockeestan” used to drive me up a wall. He showed subservient respect to every other culture, every other language, but mispronounced and rolled his eyes at America’s own customs and traditions.

      Liked by 10 people

      • gringz says:

        Except for Mexico, which he pronounces the English way. I pointed that out to some of my Mexican-American Liberal friends, that it was the only Latin American Country whose name he didn’t make it a point to pronounce the Spanish way. They were po’d , not at him, but at me for pointing it out.

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    • Wink says:

      wheatietoo, I was just about to mention that bizarre trip to Pakistan by Obama after he finish college. Pakistan is not the usual tourist stop for a college grad, is it? Weird. Also Pakistan has been a thorn in India’s side for ages. Wasn’t Pakistan the place where those radical Islamic “schools’ are located?

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      • duchess01 says:

        Wahhabi Madrassas – “This madrassa-inspired and Saudi-financed Wahhabi Islam is destroying indigenous Islam in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Crucially, it is imposing a radical creed that represents a distortion and perversion of true Islam. Wahhabi followers beheaded a Polish geologist in February (as revenge for Polish troops in Afghanistan) and blew up a century-old shrine dedicated to Rahman Baba in the Pakistani town of Peshawar in March.” [This is an old article – but pertinent to today]

        Who knows? Personally, I wouldn’t believe anything he said –

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        • 7delta says:

          “This madrassa-inspired and Saudi-financed Wahhabi Islam is destroying indigenous Islam in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. Crucially, it is imposing a radical creed that represents a distortion and perversion of true Islam.”

          I realize you’re quoting from the Guardian, but uh, no. The relatively peaceful period during the long waning of the Ottoman Empire and following its fall doesn’t reflect what the only two consistently reliable sources about Islam, Mohammed and Allah, say Islam is, but peaceful co-existence during times when Islam is too weak to fight is still Islamic doctrine. This last waning and revival isn’t the first or only time Islam has gone through such cycles.

          Yeah, I know, Islam is war and Islam is peace are two opposing beliefs, but Islam considers both to be true. Cognitive dissonance runs all through Islam. Abrogation of the peaceful Meccan suras for the violent Median ones was at Mohammed’s direction, but it didn’t do away the abrogated early suras. The Meccan are used when necessary. That advances Islam too, by stealth, until they’re strong enough in numbers and fighting forces to advance toward its prime directive: a worldwide caliphate, which is supposed to bring peace. Hence, the religion of peace. The religion of establishing a world caliphate by force.

          The quote is correct about the Saudi-financed Muslim Brotherhood/Wahhabis bringing the current reformation, which occurred in some form following each weakened period. I don’t know that I’d call Islam indigenous to Afghanistan or Pakistan, even though the areas were mostly conquered by Mohammedans when they began expanding out of Arabia, nor is conquest and jihad a distortion or perversion of Islam. These are the apologists’ tales, who may or may not believe what they say. It’s hard to tell when deceiving the infidel is Islamic doctrine too. The Qur’an, Hadith and Sira makes them unbelievable or quite ignorant about the Islamic doctrine they claim to believe, which does happen.

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          • duchess01 says:

            7, all I wanted to demonstrate was that Wahhabism has spread beyond its origin –
            “The quote is correct about the Saudi-financed Muslim Brotherhood/Wahhabis bringing the current reformation, which occurred in some form following each weakened period.”

            I believe O was a part of this in some way – definitely, partial to the Muslim Brotherhood – and Radical Islam in its many forms – it is alleged he attended a madrassa in Indonesia – who knows – he is a non-person – a created identity – his personal story is a lie –

            All I know for certain is they do not worship the same God I do –

            Thanks for your post, 7 – it is most educational and appreciated –

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            • 7delta says:

              I think the reason the MoBros and Wahhabism has spread from its initial call back to the Median Period is because it’s doctrinally correct, it’s Sunni in origin and Sunnis make up 85-95% of all Muslims, even though there are some Sunni subsects outside of Saudi Arabia that don’t care to get onboard. That doesn’t necessarily mean they or the Shia don’t have visions of sugar plums and caliphates dancing in their heads too. With only a few variations in their beliefs, they believe the same thing and use the same 3 texts as their guide. They will absolutely unite, too, against an enemy.

              What complicates reformation this time is that Sykes-Picot drew borders that made leaders and sects protective of their ruling power. Each of the two main sects, and perhaps even some of the 72 subsects shared between them, see themselves as the ruling sect of a new caliphate.

              The apologists, like politicians and media people, drive me nuts. LOL. It’s their job to know better. I can’t help myself.

              Anyway, I agree with you that Barry is MoBro or at least, a sympathizer, and he and some fellow travelers have helped them a lot. (See Art. 3, Sec. 3 of the Constitution.) No matter which, he is enamored with all the totalitarian -isms and what’s in it for him. How important Islam is to him really is a guess. I’ve always thought he’s his own god and therein lies his loyalty. Others are just useful idiots he’ll use to advance his agenda, but an ally to the MoBros, even if deceitfully, yes.

              I also agree that we don’t know who he really is. I don’t believe anything he says and I’d double check to see if the sun is shining, if he says it is. I appreciate you posting the article.


              • duchess01 says:

                Sad we had to put up with his machinations for 8 long years – we are just beginning to see the destruction – the damage done in other unsuspecting countries – still embarrassed he and his hateful allies represented us internationally – not to mention what he did to us at home – the less I see or hear of him – the better I like it – the only comfort I can take from his failed tenure is he will never get the adoration he so desperately desired – and his legacy is lost in his desperation.

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                • 7delta says:

                  Yep. Well said, duchess.

                  It’s hard to find a bright side, but if there is one, he woke up Americans, exposed the UniParty and the endemic corruption that has been going on behind our backs for longer than any of us have been alive. Without him, I’m not sure it would have become so self-evident, until it really was too late to stop it, without a terrible fight. Now, he and his fellow travelers can do nothing, but dig their holes deeper.

                  So, thanks, Barry. We owe you equal justice. Should you escape it here, no worries. Natural Law and its Creator know where you are.

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                • duchess01 says:

                  Well, 7 – you summed it up perfectly – I feel better now – so many lives derailed, but not destroyed – we have much work to do – have to say I am encouraged by President Trump – for a time such as this – he is the perfect remedy – and actions speak louder than words – look at what he has accomplished in such a short time – HooRah!

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      • mopar2016 says:

        Pakistan used to be a part of India till 1947 I believe.
        And I think it was created as an independent homeland for India’s muslims.
        We see how well that worked out.

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      • Sam says:

        Wink, Obama’s college roommate/gay lover was from Pakistan. He invited Obama to spend some time there. Obama was there when John Brennen , his future CIA director,, was there. Don’t know if they met while Obama was there.

        By the way, something odd happens when i try to search for john brennan. There are a couple of instances of sites but they quickly disappear. I’m using duckduckgo as my search engine.


  13. mariner says:

    I usually understand the point of Sundance’s posts, but this one has me baffled.

    Obama is a Marxist Muslim who never had America’s best interests at heart.

    Why should any of us care what country worried him most; it’s highly unlikely to be the one that worries us most.

    Liked by 8 people

    • Wink says:

      Well, I look at it this way. When I taught high school, on the first day I had no seating arrangement. I allowed the students to sit where they wanted. This gave me excellent insight on who were buddies. With that information I made a seating arrangement that kept the those buddies apart. The first of school the kids thought I was cool, not so much the second day. LOL Maybe President Trump on his first day wanted to know which countries wanted to “sit close” to Obama. LOL.

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  15. 804hokie says:

    A strong US, solves a lot of problems. A stronger US will solve even more, without even firing a shot in anger. That’s the trajectory we’re heading on, and I can’t wait.

    Liked by 8 people

  16. Timmy-the-Ute says:

    As long as Jimmy Carter stays in Georgia, things will be ok.

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  17. Obviously… two men don’t sit that close on a couch that isn’t filled to the brim with others… ever without there being an… ahem… problem of some sort.

    At least not where I come from.

    Not that there’s anything right with that.

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  18. Weeper says:

    Thank you Sundance. Stellar analysis as always. CTH = Covering Trump Honestly!!!

    Liked by 8 people

  19. A2 says:

    Sundance, an addendum to your post to tie up the whole. China also has leverage over Pakistan. Diplomatic relations were established in 1950, military assistance began in 1966, a strategic alliance was formed in 1972 and economic co-operation began in 1979. China has become Pakistan’s largest supplier of arms and its third-largest trading partner.

    Pakistan’s ambassador to China in 2011, summed up the relationship as, “higher than the mountains, deeper than the oceans, stronger than steel, dearer than eyesight, sweeter than honey”.

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      THIS. Pakistan has been China’s classic leverage against perennial troublesome neighbor India. Quite a bit of Shakespearean drama going on there, with Maoist rebels in India, and Islamist rebels in China.

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      • A2 says:

        Yes, India has continual problems over its border with China and China’s alliance with Pakistan. That alliance with Pakistan led to one of the first times China vetoed Russia over its Afghan adventure. The declassified Thatcher papers (on her visit to Beijing to work out the HK agreement) have extended discussions about the China/Russia dust-up and how pissed off China was at that time in support of Pakistan.

        The Chinese press over the past year has continually whined about India’s refusal to negotiate trade deals and so on. Won’t happen unless some daylight appears between the China/ Pakistan alignment.

        The CPC press today is sending up little red flags over the Turkish referendum and that Erdogan (who plays both sides of every issue), may continue to allow Turkic Islamists to train and infiltrate their own jihadi hotspot, Xinjiang, whilst saying they support China’s premier development plan, the belt and road initiative most closely identified with Pres Xi.


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  20. Running Fast says:

    I immediately thought of that Indian “reporter” at the press briefings who is regularly called upon. It turns out researching his name further he has quite a back story:

    “Another indefatigable member is Raghubir Goyal of the India Globe, which he says will reappear in a new website “any day.” Goyal has been slipping into (someone else’s) third-row seats since the Carter administration and is famous for asking questions about India, Pakistan and terrorism. People tell him that when he gets a chance to ask a question, he should “go with the flow,” but “I can’t go with the flow!” he says. During the George W. Bush administration, his name became a verb: the press secretary would “Goyal” a press conference by calling on the Indian to divert attention from more uncomfortable issues.”

    Is Spicer actually calling attention to the more serious area of concern?

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  21. Tonawanda says:

    Love to see wolfmoon’s post repeated – a brilliant post.

    And just as surprisingly insightful as this post by Sundance.

    Contrast Pakistan with Saudi Arabia.

    Who is under the radar?

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    • I was just re-scrolling thru comments as was going to post the same Tonawanda, glad to see you posted it!!

      Wolfmoon’s post was so brilliant and I think we will see it used over and over again by SD. Thank you for again highlighting woolfmoon’s brilliance, SD! You are quite simply the best!…you too woolfmoon😉

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      • wolfmoon1776 says:

        Thanks! 😀

        I feel like that post was a rare moment of realization – a moment when I broke free of a kind of constrained thinking – one that was forced upon us all during the election cycle. Realizing that Trump was now free of constraint, so was I.

        We threaded a very dangerous passage, emerging from the Obama years, into the election. Trump had to communicate to us, past the media – through the media – a media which wanted more than anything else to disrupt and negate his message.

        To get through the media, Trump would always telegraph every move FAR ahead, to those of us who could read him, but he would do so in ways – too honest – which insured that the media would not believe him, and would instead amplify his message by questioning and mockery.

        Doing this, Trump reaped the rewards of “Time Traveler Trump” prescience – a kind of “confirmation bias = reality bias” strategy, which truly helped him get elected.

        But now, something has changed. Trump can no longer telegraph. He has to fight unconstrained. But that also liberates Trump, and makes him 100 times as effective. We simply have to trust a bit longer, and a bit stronger, to realize the HOW and WHY of the winning.

        I have a renewed and greater respect for people like Sundance and Bill Mitchell, who were able to trust Trump right through his first huge test. It is really because of THEIR steadfast belief that “Trump’s got this”, that I was able to see that – yes indeed – Trump’s got this.

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  22. Minnie says:

    Sundance, you are brilliant! Thank you for your indepth analysis and clear writing, makes this Deplorable comprehend even the toughest subject


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  23. The Other Donald says:

    When are you guys going to stop repeating false propaganda? Commie Prince Barry did not, repeat, did not kill Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden was dead before the commie took office. Ask Benazir Bhutto, she’ll tell you all about it. Somebody died in Pakistan at Obama’s orders, but it wasn’t Osama bin Laden.

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  24. TexasDude says:

    The British were tired of the incessant intra and inter religious wars within the Middle East, nevermind Lawrence of Arabia who sided with nomadic Bedoins with a severe interpretation of Islam. Moreover, they were stretched thin in their empire to put it over simplistically.

    Thus the British Mandate giving Arabs/Muslims TransJordan and Palestine to the Jews.

    Thus giving the western part of India to the Muslims who tended to congregate there and the rest was still India (at one time it was all India)

    As we can see, this didn’t really help except extreme short term.


  25. bulwarker says:

    Interesting analysis, my money was on Turkey but I can see Pakistan fit as the country in question too.

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  26. BG2 says:

    Yeah, that’s the foreign policy problem. Kim is doomed because the US can’t wait until he has nuke ICBMs that cover the US. Do it now or do an Obama.

    The far more dangerous problem is domestic. The various shades of neo marxist state craving school teachers shaping the next generations is an emergency.

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  27. CathyMAGA says:

    Things have changed since that conversation. Right now, I’d say Turkey has been placed on the short list of ‘problematic countries’….still think Ergodan is going to be a huge problem…look how he reacted to Holland…the world has ANOTHER dictator. Another ego maniac. What could possibly go wrong….

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  28. Scotty19541 says:

    I hope I have this right!
    Wolfmoon1776 provides an explainer:

    “Well, I don’t really have to do any holding together, now that I figured out what Trump is up to. He is shaking things out, but counting on Trump gravity to pull things back together as he moves along.

    He is moving “forward” at speeds Obama could not even dream of.

    You and I will be anti-Trump trolls one day and MAGA heroes the next. Get used to it. Trump speed is the new normal. Some will call it flip-flopping, but that’s not what it is. Trump is dodging and weaving through reality faster than the reality can react to disrupt his plans.

    I was explaining this to my wife. This is a roller-coaster now. Trump is no longer waiting for people to keep up. He is taking his bewildering art-of-the-deal campaign schtick into geopolitics, and for a lot of people who can’t keep up or hold on, it will be a rough ride.

    Trump is no longer playing only with evil and cunning players who are still predictable, easily beatable dopes, like Hillary. He is playing against killers, with his own team of killers, and all the while he has scheming creeps like Hillary, BGI, SPLC, and the neocons gunning for him. Snake Ryan ready to bite when nobody is looking. “Warhead” McCain screaming for Russian blood. Psycho Kim and Samoa Obama plotting some kind of intrigue to take him down. And THOSE are the lightweights.

    This is the majors now. Trump has to outwit world-class adversaries and “frenemies” by defining the deals that they will agree to. One minute they will think Trump is their friend – the next minute, a cunning, bitter foe.

    And he has to do this with evil cheerleaders like Warhead, Linderace, Dipsy Dowd, Maggie Haterman, and Fake Yapper trashing him or praising him alternately, no matter which way he goes. They can’t keep up, either.

    Neither can many around him. I think that half of the problem with advisers crashing into each other is they don’t realize what Trump is doing.

    And people will trash you, and they will trash me. Get used to it. I’ve already caught plenty of people mocking me. Well, just wait a week in Trump time. Look stupid and conned by Trump one minute, and you look like a sage three days later.

    Trump will not find perfect solutions. He will find OPTIMAL solutions. We cannot ask for more. Trump has stood by and watched Perfect murder Good for 8 years – maybe longer. He’s not gonna do it. He’s going to deliver the best outcome possible, and he’s not waiting for us to feel relaxed about it.

    Best presidency ever! Just hang on. More winning is coming, but a lot of people are going to scream that it’s all over at EVERY turn.

    The best way through this is to define viewpoints, not people, because people will shift as they change position and velocity in Trump gravity. Bash the neocon, warmonger, and dopey globalist positions – not the people who are going to hold them one moment and come loose from them later.

    Trump is Jupiter moving through the asteroid belt. He is going to pull people into his orbit. A few will get slung off into space, but most will come along for the ride of their lives.

    I am ON the Trump Train for good, even if I scream that I want off and can’t take it.

    In the end, I only want to scream “TOO MUCH WINNING!!!” (link)

    ….”And we will win, and you will win, and we will keep on winning… Believe me. And we will win so much, you will get tired of winning; and you will say: please Mr. Trump, we can’t take all of this winning… And I will say to you, NO. …We will win more, and we will keep winning,.. and we will win, and we will keep on winning…. I love you”…

    ~ President Donald Trump

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  29. Watcher says:

    Pakistan doesn’t surprise me. In my 22 years working overseas the Pakis were the most lying, conniving, backstabbing, greedy people on earth.
    Think about it Afghanistan, abl, huma, Kahn (multiple), inmans, and taxi drivers.
    And the next arms race SA and Iran.

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  30. Sandra-VA says:

    I’ve always said that Pakistan is the root of the islam problem. That is where all terrorists go for extra “training”; it’s where the 9/11 hijackers went prior to their mission… it is the genesis of Taliban/AQ and ISIS. SA provides funding for the madrassas. It is all related.

    AQ actually means The Camp – which was established in Afghanistan by the TALIBAN under Osama Bin Laden (from Saudi Arabia) with his money.

    I have never understood why the US never went after Pakistan. Going into Afghanistan to take out the Taliban/AQ was good, but they just replenish from Pakistan via the mountains (well, maybe that route just got cut off by MOAB). Look what happened when US started pulling out…. Taliban retook territory.

    Oh, and there are reports that Pakistan is upset that 500 ISI were in those tunnels taken out the other day… why were they there?

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    • wolfmoon1776 says:

      I will say this – if there WERE any ISI in those tunnels…….


      If they were there, perhaps they were helping outfit ISIS with WMD. That would make the most sense. And THAT would perhaps worry Obama, too. His own skin might be on the line.

      As for your never understanding why we did nothing – yeah – I totally get that. And I chalk it up to GWB. He thought that he had all of the whole Muslim world over a barrel when the towers went down. From what I understand, Pakistan got strong-armed to help after 9/11, but they quickly figured out how to slip out of the leash. They simply let Bush think that they would cooperate, and slowly began subverting him.

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    • dalethorn says:

      Oopsie! The Pakis lost some of their guys. What a darn shame….

      Liked by 1 person

    • Watcher says:



  31. Ziiggii says:

    Would Obama really say Paki?

    I always thought Obama had a soft spot for the Paki’s… I mean he did spend time there in college presumably with Brennan.

    Liked by 2 people

  32. BillRiser says:

    O’s three biggest worries:
    1. Global Warming
    2. Immigration (wanted more)
    3. Racism- because he was a racist.

    Liked by 3 people

  33. jstanley01 says:

    I am good friends with a Christian pastor in Pakistan, the Rev. Shakeel James, who oversees a church in Faisalabad that is part of a governmentally-recognized denomination, the Presbyterian Church of Pakistan. Although he enjoys some immunity from violence because of his legal status as an ordained assistant bishop, his parishioners do not.

    Pastor James has shared quite a bit of the history of Christianity in Pakistan with me. During India’s drive for independence from Great Britain, which ended in the partitioning Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Christians lobbied the British for their own homeland. But because of their small numbers, they were not successful. The Christians who found themselves stuck in Pakistan saw the schools and hospitals and other infrastructure, which they had developed under the British Raj, “nationalized” by the government of Pakistan. Which meant looted and destroyed, basically. Especially to be of any use to the Christians.

    Socially ostracized by Muslim Pakistan, the society does its best to keep Pakistani Christians uneducated and poor. They are forced to work the most menial and low-paying jobs. The plight of young women is a big concern for Pastor James. They most often can only find employment as servants for Muslim households, where they are subject to physical and sexual abuse, and attempts at forced conversion. As a solution, Pastor James is acquiring as many 50-dollar sewing machines as he can, to sell their production on a clothes market which he has identified, in which trade, the young women can make better money without being subject to Muslim abuse.

    While we hear about the big events, like the Easter bombing in Lahore in 2016, innumerable smaller abuses go unreported, often in concert with blasphemy charges being filed against Christians.

    Like the dispute between a Christian ceramics producer and one of his Muslim customers in a rural area, reported to me by Rev. James. During which blasphemy charges were lodged against the Christian, but the charges were never settled. Because the dispute ended when the Christian and his entire family were found murdered and burnt up in their own kilns. The police, of course, had no leads. And Rev. James traveled to the scene and did what he could to comfort the survivors.

    Or another similar dispute arose during a religious discussion between a Christian and a Muslim in Lahore, which is about 100 miles from Faisalabad, after which blasphemy charges were also filed. This dispute ended when Muslim “protestors” set fire to an entire Christian neighborhood and left hundreds of Christians homeless. If I recall correctly, this incident was in 2014. The blasphemy charges were dropped — thank Allah for small favors — but again, the police had no leads on the arson. And Rev. James traveled to Lahore and did what he could to help the homeless survivors.

    I have begun conversations, just within just the last few days, with Pastor James about forming a 501(c)(3) charity in the U.S, called The Bishop James Dean Fund for Christians in Pakistan, named after his late father who was a historic champion for the Church in Pakistan.

    Bishop Dean is remembered to have often said that, “Pakistani Christians are in desperate need of ‘Christian University’ because only education is way of success in Islamic Republic of Pakistan; He was always saying ‘It is my dream to build Christian University in Pakistan.'”

    The charity in his name, that Rev. James and I and others are envisioning, will be aimed at facilitating and supporting general education, vocational training, micro business startups, disaster relief, and defense against unjust blasphemy prosecutions for Christians in Pakistan. Our watchwords will be transparency, accountability and results.

    At the risk of violating Treehouse rules, I would welcome any Treepers who have experience with 501(c)(3) charity work or who want more information to email me at:


    Short of that, keep an eye out on the search engines for “The Bishop James Dean Fund for Christians in Pakistan.”

    Thank you, Sundance, for your kind indulgence.

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    • In AZ says:


      Thank you very much for this information.
      When I read information like what you provided makes me wish for major evacuations of every single Christian out of Pakistan, and every country in the Middle East. And some minor Muslim sects need to be evacuated also.
      Leave the moslems to themselves, let them fight one another.


      • jstanley01 says:

        I forgot to mention the most important request: Please mention us in the thoughts and prayers that you offer for persecuted Christians worldwide.


  34. I know which country Obama mentioned to Mr. Trump. It’s obvious. It was Texas.

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  35. Penelope Cottrell says:

    I could not have survived the last almost two years without your articles. I have learned so much and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

    Liked by 3 people

  36. The Ghost formerly known as Prince says:

    And Senator McCain can’t grasp any of this, and complains Trump has “no strategy”.

    To McCain “strategy” is blindly invading countries one after another, without rhyme or reason.

    Trump will settle accounts all over the world on terms favorable to America, ushering in a century of peace and prosperity. And he’ll never get a Nobel Peace Prize (that will go to Ashley Judd for her spoken word performance of “Nasty Woman”), and he’ll get nothing but grief from both the NeoCon chicken hawks and the deranged peaceniks.

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  37. thetrain2016 says:

    About North Korea, I’m more and more convinced, President Trump is pushing South Korea and Japan to cough up some serious dough to finance the removal of Fatboy.

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  38. Ziiggii says:

    “After More Than A Decade And A Half In Afghanistan The U.S. Needs To Deploy More Troops To Win, Experts Say”


  39. positron1352 says:

    Interesting that it could be Pakistan. Fragile governemt, nuclear capability….too obvious to me. I think it’s Saudia Arabia. They don’t have the nukes but they export their Wahhabi indoctrination in spades with long and broad tentacles. They would absolutely love to destroy the United States and can do so very effectively by continuing their strategy using wealth to purchase property here and other resources as well as through their terrorist infiltration. Homogeneous in their oppression and shrew foxes.


    • G. Combs says:

      Saudia Arabia is very much our most dangerous enemy. They supply the $$$ AND the Imans for the USA mosques that are radicalizing Americans.

      Go back to the 1970s and the oil embargo and OPEC. I think the Rockefellers and Saudia King coluded in forming an oil cartel. That cartel was then used to jack oil prices through the roof. From that time on Americans started losing manufacturing jobs and real wages dropped like a rock.

      On paper the Saudis ‘nationalized’ Aramco but I think the Rockefellers still have their fingers in that pie. Fast forward to 9/11 and the Saudias gave Bush (a connection of the Rockefellers) a reason for the Patriot Act. Note that there was NO CRACKDOWN on muslim immigration into the USA. INSTEAD muslim immigration per year DOUBLED and American patriots NOT muslims were targeted as potential ‘terrorists’

      NOTES: Granddad, Samuel P. Bush worked for the Rockefellers and was promoted see Wikipedia

      June, 2015 – 1.6 Million Immigrants from Predominantly Muslim Countries Since 9/11


  40. drillerelite says:

    I’m loving my ride on the Trump Train. whoo whooo baby!


  41. Kalena says:

    I just spent the last 3 weeks binge reading all of Mitch Flynn CIA novels featuring master spy/assassin Mitch Rapp. The latter novels focused on plots with Pakistan and the ISI. If even a grain of the story backgrounds are true, this thread does not surprise me. Go read the books. They are very enlightening.


  42. TwoLaine says:

    “He delivered a public message to leaders in Pakistan, whom Afghan officials accuse of permitting Taliban jihadists to establish sanctuaries and conduct attacks into Afghanistan with the help of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, Voice of America reported.”

    It’s horribly hypocritical to tell other countries they must stop providing sanctuaries when your own leader is doing the same exact thing. It drives me nuts anytime I hear it. With Bush, and especially with Obama.

    We can’t stand on high moral ground and tell other countries not to do this when we do it ourselves. 😦

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  43. TwoLaine says:

    “Well, I would make an argument the Obama-Trump conversation was about a tenuous nuclear country who hid Osama Bin Laden for ten years, Pakistan.”

    And every time I think about them hiding him, or see the movie Zero Dark Thirty, I know they are all bad actors. And remember how nasty they were to us after we captured Osama?

    Very interesting conclusion. And with a new possible alliance of ISIS and Al-Qaeda, it makes even more sense.

    Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapons Program: 5 Things You Need to Know

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  44. Very interesting take and likely correct.


  45. Sunshine says:

    PAKISTAN – the crazy place with crazy people. Serious Sharia, they lose their collective mind in an eyeblink.
    When the President of the Lahore Bar Association threatened to burn alive any lawyer that would defend a Christian accused of blasphemy, you know there is a problem with the people.
    They are crazy enough to topple their government and the military will side with the crazy people.
    They have the big weapon and they have Allah. Enough said.


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