GOPe Playing Very Dangerous Game With Current Political Con – Party Leadership Recommending Avoid Ohio Convention…

Somewhat quietly, though not without some water-cooler discussion, the Republican Party Leadership is warning membership to stay away from the upcoming Cleveland Ohio convention.

The media is describing the issue as centering around those elected politicians who may want to avoid the potential for divisive controversy.  However, if you look at the actual landscape, and then look at the political ideology of those who are openly saying they are staying away, what you’ll notice is the RINO caucus, the ‘Decepticons’, are the most cautious.

mcconnell ryan

If you spend some time digging through the professional GOPe messaging, what you’ll note is the party leadership seems fully aware something very dangerous might just come to fruition.  Not dangerous in a violent way per se’, but rather dangerous in a very political and contentious way; there’s very good reason for this.

Those who are professionally republican, the party insiders and those from Wall Street to K-Street who fund their legislative outcomes, the collective “establishment” – have manipulated a very large swath of the conservatively-minded electoral base.   There’s going to be busloads of “grassroots” types, currently being used to do the party bidding, who are going to wake up and realize they’ve been played.

Most of those being hoodwinked are Ted Cruz ideologues.   Rigid supporters who are blinded by very intense and narrow litmus test interests; and they have no idea their puritan intensity is being used against them.

cruz quote

The manipulation of the extremists is most notable when you consider the most rabid modern Social Justice Warriors (SJW’s) are now Cruz supporters.  The most religious ideologues, and strongest right-to-life anti-abortion activists, are embedded in the delegate selections of Senator Cruz.

These Cruz activists (many now delegates) are the “crazies”, “whackobirds” and “wing-nuts” the political ‘McCain-Ayotte-Graham-Cornyn-McConnell-Ryan-Flake-Rubio’ types have disregarded in almost all prior recent political issue discussions.

It is important to be clear on the segment of the population being discussed here.  This narrow group (perhaps 10-15% of the overall conservative population) places Abortion, Guns, Religion (in that order) as their primary motivational drivers.  Fiscal issues, trade, jobs, economy et al, place a distant second.

You might say this group is the personification of the “real bitter-clingers” when candidate Obama was poking at them in ’08.  Zealots, rigid ideologues.

The center-right populous has always defended this smaller rigid sub-set because those activists have generally received a bad reputation.  The progressive left likes to  paint all republicans with the broad brush dipped in the wing-nut paint. The knee-jerk response from the larger center-right group is to defend their smaller, more intense, affiliate.

However, candidate Cruz saw this intense 10-15% as the iron wedge to his own electoral road-map.   As soon as he took office in January ’13 Cruz pandered to them, praised them, soothed them, and as a direct consequence they have aligned loyally with him.

When Senator Cruz is introduced at a rally by a guy proclaiming all gays should be put to death, the Cruz coalition sees no issue with it – because they essentially agree with it.  They do not have the desire, nor the capacity, to accept these extremist views are so far away from ordinary Americans.  They honestly and genuinely believe Senator Cruz can become President Cruz if he openly promised to kill all the gays.

They believe this with all their heart.  Most are now Cruz delegates.

Most Americans abhor the issue of abortion.  Most Americans dislike the entire concept of abortion, and almost all Americans view abortion used as contraception as completely wrong and disgusting.   However, most Americans are also uncomfortable discussing the topic outside their immediate family or close social circle. It’s a social issue riddled with unease and discomfort. That’s the majority.

On the far fringes of the issue, many Cruz-type abortion activists have no issue seeing abortion clinics fire-bombed, and take the most extremist view on the elimination of it.  When candidate Cruz says: “no exceptions – even if the mother has to die, so be it”, the ideologues cheer and adore him as ‘principled’.

They believe this with all their heart.  Many are now Cruz delegates.

beck and cruz 2Now, before you think I’m being unfair with the characterizations – go look for yourself at the social media of these people (facebook accounts for Cruz and twitter are a good place to start).  I’m not describing the “average Cruz supporter/voter”, I’m specifically talking about the Cruz “delegates“.

It takes an entirely different level of commitment (time, money, investment) to go from being a ‘Cruz supporter’, to being a ‘Cruz delegate’.  Within the difference you’ll notice those defined as delegates are much, much further into the land of rigid social issue ideology.   In short, they are the extremist 10% within the far-right 10%.

Here’s the bigger problem – The republican party apparatus (and I do mean all of it), in order to stop Donald Trump from winning the nomination, have chosen to leverage the Cruz ideologues to maximize the strategy of beneficial delegate fracturing.

The republican party leadership is using the elements within the party they despise, the whack-o-birds, to rid themselves of the risk presented by candidate Donald Trump – who they cannot control for their own legislative agenda.

In essence, the party itself has surrounded the most politically explosive danger with  volatile fuel brought by the Cruz delegations.   Senator Ted Cruz, the Bush-aligned party insider, is fully aware of what the party leadership is doing; it appears he’s enjoying a role he’s dreamed of his entire life.

The entire republican apparatus has to treat Cruz as the magnanimous, awe-inspiring savior of all things republican, in order to defeat Donald Trump.  Cruz is relishing this role.

However, those who really control the legislative agenda are intensely smart.  We’ve pointed out repeatedly how Wall Street positions to control all outcomes, and they don’t give a hoot about the downstream consequences.  Wall Street cares about controlling the legislative agenda, that’s what matters – that’s all that matters.

The DC-based party leadership knows this [Wall Street (globalist) -vs- Modern SJW’s Cruz Support] is going to end badly – very badly.   That is why the GOPe are warning the RINO caucus to stay away from Cleveland allowing the wing-nuts to self destruct on CNN nightly.

Take a look at the voices staying away:  Jeb Bush, Kelly Ayotte, Richard Burr, Mick Mulvaney, et al.  These are the usurpers within the UniParty machine.

[…]  Quietly, some officials in the highest rungs of Republican leadership are advising their rank-and-file members to stay away from Cleveland. One top GOP party leader, who asked not to be named so they could discuss internal thinking, told CNN privately that he has advised his colleagues to hold campaign rallies and town halls in their home states during the time of the July convention. A senior Senate GOP leadership aide echoed that sentiment. (more)

The explosion will not come from the candidate, it will come from the rebuke of the policy demanded of the candidate – just watch.   Do you really think the professionally republican give a rat’s ass about:

• Abortion • Gun Rights, or • Religion?

Really?

Of course they don’t.  The professionally republican care about MONEY.  Money is derived from legislative policy not social issues.  Social issues are used by the professionally republican to make ¹sheep ²push lever and ³get pellet, that’s it.  Wash – Rinse – Repeat.

In order to retain the legislative priorities the professional republican want: ♦ No limits or controls on campaign finance.  ♦ Open borders to include comprehensive immigration reform. ♦ The retention of ObamaCare ♦ Control over spending, and ♦ The Trans-Pacific Trade Deal.

Here’s representative Mick Mulvaney, one of those staying away from Cleveland,  a “House Freedom Caucus Member”, explaining what’s important to the professionally republican types like: Speaker Ryan, Kevin McCarthy, Trey Gowdy (please watch):

That moment when the wing-nuts realize their social justice issues are irrelevant to the professionally republican….

golfing obama 2

 

Advertisements
This entry was posted in Big Government, Big Stupid Government, Christian Values, Decepticons, DNC Convention - Philly, Donald Trump, Election 2016, Fabian Socialists - Modern Progressives, GOP Convention - Cleveland, John Boehner, Legislation, media bias, Mitch McConnell, Notorious Liars, Paul Ryan, Political correctness/cultural marxism, Predictions, Professional Idiots, propaganda, Tea Party, Ted Cruz, Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink.

519 Responses to GOPe Playing Very Dangerous Game With Current Political Con – Party Leadership Recommending Avoid Ohio Convention…

  1. jim hollynder says:

    I believe I have finally figured it out. It’s cantaloupe. They pay attention to you if you give them cantaloupe.

    Liked by 8 people

  2. jim hollynder says:

    #Cantaloupes4Mitch

    Liked by 1 person

  3. truthandjustice says:

    True – not a good sign that they’re staying away. I’m sure nothing good is being planned. Here’s the latest from Stone:

    “These “Trump” delegates give the anti-Trump forces a majority on questions of rules, credentials, and platform — all of which must be ratified or rejected by the full convention before the First ballot for President. This is where the big steal will take place.

    The big steal happens even if Donald Trump hits the magic 1237!..

    The fix is in. The same insiders who have nearly destroyed the Republican Party are at it again, plotting in a backroom deal to block Donald Trump’s nomination as the GOP candidate for president. Trump has played by the rules and he’s winning big, fair and square. This lobbyist-led plot was concocted by the donor class and others who have bought and paid for the allegiance of the dishonest brokers of the Republican Party.

    The Bushes, Mitt Romney, Paul Singer, the Ricketts, and Zuckerberg are driving the train for the Lobbyist/Insider Class committed to stopping Trump, led by my old partner Charlie Black, as shrewd and skilled a political operative as exists today.

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/12/roger-stone-trump-delegates-should-sign-a-loyalty-pledge/

    Liked by 6 people

    • paulraven1 says:

      “The big steal happens even if Donald Trump hits the magic 1237!..”

      I have said this. 1237 is a chimera. Trump can’t win (as they are scheming it). If he doesn’t reach 1237, he loses the easy way, if he gets to 1237, he loses the hard way.

      Liked by 4 people

      • jstanley01 says:

        They’re going to burn down the party to save it? Something tell me that’s not going to work out so well.

        Liked by 2 people

        • lou Ann Watson says:

          more than the party burning down

          Like

          • anon says:

            I agree. This is about widespread perceptions of the fundamental legitimacy of our system of governance, the ‘Mandate of Heaven’ as some have called it. The majority are unhappy that we have opposed multicult and open immigration for 40 years and yet it happened anyway (and we have been forced to pay for it.) Once the majority of the American people (not the tens of millions of illegals and unassimilated foreigners with papers) understand that our views are irrelevant to those who govern, ostensibly on our behalf, that we are not being permitted to have a functioning democracy on issues that matter, then starts the unhappy time. We will need all of our solidarity and self discipline to ensure the least uncivilized solution possible. God help us all.

            Liked by 2 people

      • Eris says:

        I keep hearing Trump can’t win this, Trump can’t win that, blah blah blah for a while now. Give it a rest. He has Paul Manafort and resources available to him way beyond your typical Presidential candidate. Let’s just see what happens, OK ?

        Liked by 15 people

        • dianeax says:

          For that I am thankful!

          Liked by 3 people

        • Southern Son says:

          Mr. Manaforte was on hannity.
          I used the e in his name, because I learned here, that it was Italian? for Strong Hand.
          I would say that is Very becoming of Him.
          He represented an Alpha Male.
          At the end of the interview, Hannity extended his hand, with his pen in his fingers. He did a secretary? half fingers handshake? Mr. Manaforte owned him on his semiautomatic trick questions, and he appeared to be Beta for it.
          Mr. Trump Knows all the Very Talented people he needs to Conquer Any Challenge.
          Also saw America’s Future First Family with him on Amperson Derpooper.
          They are The Class Act among ALL the political/celebrity spectrum.
          A First Family we have needed
          for a long time.

          Liked by 10 people

        • paulraven1 says:

          I’m not saying he cannot win. I was representing the mind of the GOP to make a point. The GOP does not see the 1237 delegate number as dispositive. It is just something else for them to deal with in their strategies to destroy Trump.

          I think Trump’s best hope is to take this fight more and more into the public realm. One can talk about how brilliant Charlie Black is, but his skills are entirely limited to a closed world. Drag him out of his sick ecology into the sun of the public square, and he will be thrashing and gasping for air.

          Liked by 8 people

          • TheseTruths says:

            I agree with you: Shine the light on these people. I also agree that the 1,237 is not a magic number, and that the GOP is scheming as we speak to make rules to get around it. I am trusting Manafort even though it would be easier if we knew what was going on behind the scenes. (But that’s the definition of trust: to believe even when you can’t verify.) But yes, put a spotlight on the rats and cockroaches.

            Liked by 4 people

      • Lee Snyder says:

        This riddance of Trump will be simple. He doesn’t reach the magic number. The estabs, simple refuse him the nomination and create a brokered convention to APPOINT a stable RINO who will cause a major split in the conservative voters, giving the presidency to hill, As a side note to their success, they destroy the republican party and do severe damage to the United States. Nomination comes from a desired list of Ryan, Jeb, Kasich, etc.
        Things get a tad more difficult if Trump exceeds the magic number by less than 20 delegates, The estab, simply determines that those 20 delegates are ineligible, putting Trumps count back below the needed count.
        If Trump manages to have over 40 extras, the estab fines a obscure rule that will define Trump as an ineligible candidate. Thus throwing him out as a candidate.
        Either of the two actions above, will again elect hill, end the repub party, damage American politics forever. and destroying the American Representative republic. The U S as we have known, is dead.
        The only way to save the nation, Cruz must grow some gonads, realize what damage he is doing to America and join Trump. Together Cruz and Trump can restore conservatives belief America can be restored. Together they can end the estab, rinos, donor class. As a bonus, they end the clintons, wild-eyed radical liberals, sorros, and his ilk. The key is if Cruz wants to be a heroic American conservative or if he wants to be defined as the coward who destroyed the U S.
        Cruz’s blind greed could end us.
        This nomination may very well define our future and the future of the entire planet. I implore Cruz to be a man, not a tool, not a useful fool, He has the opportunity for greatness.

        Liked by 3 people

        • Lantos says:

          Cruz is a Bush. He has always been and insider. I have no faith in him. He is a GOP-e Obama. Period. Cruz cannot be a heroic American because he only became an American in mid 2014.

          Liked by 10 people

      • mossback says:

        I have a feeling Trump knows this, even if he does not want it to happen (easy is always better than hard)…..however, from all this recent yelling about “stealing” votes or delegates, I can foresee Trump going independent or third party and taking almost all the voters with him……both sides……Bernie is making a similar case but will lose to kankles due to the Dem fix………..will be interesting to see how all this comes to play in Cleveland.

        Liked by 1 person

    • Boudica says:

      I don’t understand, how can they steal it if he has the 1237????

      Like

      • Eris says:

        Well the anti-Trump delegates could vote in rules design to unseat Mr. Trump’s delegates like those from states that allow non-Republican registered voters to vote in the primary election for example. They could even go “nuclear” and change the word “majority” (which means 1,237 delegates) in Rule 40 of The Rules of the Republican Party (2012) to something else that would be higher than the number of delegates who will vote or are require to vote for Mr. Trump on the first nomination ballot. Rule 42 allows this since Rule Nos. 26-42 are temporary rules for the 2016 convention so are much easier to change.

        https://cdn.gop.com/docs/2012_RULES_Adopted.pdf

        Of course I don’t think any of this will actually happen.

        Liked by 3 people

        • Lulu says:

          Problem is they would disenfranchise their base states in the South where many states do not have party registration at all — the GOP can’t disenfranchise the South

          Like

      • muffyroberts says:

        No one will. That is the beauty of it. They can’t, and still win against Hillary.

        Like

    • dianeax says:

      Of course the big steal happens even if Trump reaches 1237. Curly admitted as much. It’s one of the rules that can be changed at the convention.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/16/rnc-member-political-parties-choose-their-nominee-not-the-general-public/

      Like

      • lou Ann Watson says:

        the problem with this approach is that the people that will be attempting to do this will have a spotlight on them this time around. it will not end well for any of them.

        Liked by 1 person

    • Prothonotary Warbler says:

      Yes, I think you’re right. The current set of rules for GOP primaries expires shortly before the 2016 convention. They can adopt a new set of rules and have it go into effect immediately.

      I could even see them adopting a new rule stating essentially that the first ballot doesn’t count anymore.

      We’re basically playing a game of Calvinball, here.

      That said, it’s still definitely worth it to get Trump to that magic number of 1237 delegates. Force the GOP to choose whether to accept the will of us voters and allow Trump to be the nominee, or to come right out and tell us in no uncertain terms that we don’t count as far as they’re concerned.

      Either the party is brought to heel, or we have to put it down like a rabid dog. I’m fine either way, to be totally honest.

      The only possible problem from where I stand is the chance that Trump might fall short of 1237 delegates going into the convention. This would give the GOPe a thin veneer of legitimacy for whatever shenanigans they decide to pull.

      Liked by 6 people

  4. keebler AC says:

    Bell curve showing that the left and right extremes are considered 2 to 3 standard deviations from the norm.

    Overstuffed Kasick and Lyin’Ted are known to push extreme views at the complete and inhuman disregard for people involved. They take the Bible out of proportion…….in order to attest that they are morally superior to everyone else. What it means is they have a surface understanding of faith.

    For example, it is very rare that a mother’s health is at risk due to pregnancy. But these two turn it into a major issue. I know this may be difficult to accept but think of it as your own life being at risk due to a pregnancy where it is not yet understood what’s going on. Is the embryo healthy, microcephalus, does the mother have 2 other children…..etcetera. There are a lot of factors to consider. Imagine if it is not a healthy tissue and it kill you. How different is it from your being attacked by someone where you must defend your life. The ethics are not black and white and I myself would defer from making simplistic judgments on the woman and her family. I’m not saying I’m for or against, but it happens so rarely, and is complicated.

    How about compassion for a young girl who has been raped by incest or criminal? To hear Kasick deny the girl rights is to deny real victims because of pretenders. There has to be a level of compassion which is sorely lacking in Lyin’Ted and Glutton Kasick. Even if you argue it is murder, there has to be a point in time where one should not politicize this very difficult issue for rape victims. Both the baby and the rape victim are victims.

    Then to suggest that gay people’s lives should be ended – how does that mesh with anti-abortion? IT DOESN’T. The 10% extremists are deviants – Lyin’Ted and Glutton Kasick.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Deb says:

      My friend has a beloved child who was conceived when she was raped. It’s hard for me to say that that child should have been dismembered in the womb because his father is evil.

      Liked by 6 people

      • TheLastDemocrat says:

        There are plenty of decent human beings walking around who were conceived in rape.

        Miss Pennsylvania Valerie Gatto is one of them.

        There are plenty of mothers who are grateful for their child who was conceived in rape.

        This is just the “last-man-standing” as far as justifications for abortion go. This is all the pro-abortion forces can muster.

        Liked by 3 people

      • keebler AC says:

        I should have clarified but the paragraph was long already.

        When I refer to rights of the rape victim, I’m referring to the right not to be judged harshly by John Kasich who did so during his time as Governor. Rape victims, and incest victims who are very young, have a right to compassion. Theirs is not something to be politicized. How about young girls who are too young to bear children? Again, it’s not black and white just like when mother’s health on the line. I point out that Christians don’t revictimized the rape victim by judging them because no one has been through their ordeal, least of all, a man like John Kasich.

        I believe In God, and some things are more complicated than we can ever know as mere mortals. I do know he would not abandon both the baby.

        Liked by 1 person

      • keebler AC says:

        That’s not what I’m suggesting when I say the rape victim has rights too.

        I commented but it got lost. Maybe it’ll show up later. Being raped is an ordeal especially for a young victim of incest. For such a girl or victim having already gone thru an ordeal, to suggest that she is cruel having mixed feelings is lacking compassion. She has a right to counsel and a hearing just like anyone else who has been violated, sometimes violently. This is new to her. Perhaps your acquaintance who had the baby was lucky and had access to counsel. John Kasich offerred no counsel. Just dictate. This lacks compassion treating these women the same as those who were careless and reckless with their activity. Some would try to use it as an excuse but the real rape victims have a right to be treated with compassion and a hearing.

        Like

      • keebler AC says:

        That’s not what I’m suggesting when I say the rape victim has rights too.

        I commented but it got lost. Maybe it’ll show up later.

        Like

      • keebler AC says:

        Did I say that the baby of a rape situation ought to be dismembered?? You see, you’re already accusing a rape victim of being a murderer for her confusion and mixed feelings. They’ve been thru an ordeal no one else can judge.

        I said the rape victim has rights. Perhaps your friend received counsel and that is what I’m talking about. Accusations that the rape victim is cruel for wanting to rid of a reminder of an ordeal is overboard.

        Like

      • keebler AC says:

        Did I say that the baby of a rap e situation ought to be dismembered?

        Like

      • keebler AC says:

        Perhaps your friend had counsel. This is what I mean. Rape victims have a right to compassion and not be judged the way Kasich does for wanting a hearing and for feeling mixed up, even wanting the trauma to end somehow, anyhow. They have been through an ordeal and no one has the right to judge them for their reactions. This does not equivocate to dismembering a baby violently. Geesh!

        Like

      • Elizabeth Rider says:

        I agree, Deb. Ending the life of an unborn baby won’t erase the memory of the rape. It’s a red herring used by those who want to promote abortion, is all.

        Liked by 1 person

        • fran wendelboe says:

          Have you ever met a person who was the child conceived in a rape? Powerful. To think that only for the grace of their mother being able to not blame the child and to put aside the violence done to her of the rape but to carry the child to term is to be commended.

          Like

          • Nick says:

            There are genetic predispositions to rape and pedophilia. Earlier generations understood this and acted accordingly, but its now too un-PC to go there.

            Like

    • Jenny R. says:

      Because it is so rare, and such an extreme situation, is the reason why I say allow it in the case of the mother’s life — and my extreme condolences and compassion for any who are placed into that situation.
      In cases of rape I think that women should be counseled, and not just with an eye to they will automatically choose abortion. The child should not suffer the sins of the father (or mother), but this would be a hard situation and yes, understanding should be present. This would also go for underage girls, as pregnancy can be more risky for very young ones, and they are often not in an emotionally mature position to not be open to coercion or quick decisions they may later come to regret.
      Again, compassion and empathy should be present.
      With that in mind, I’ve always thought that the legal position in regards to abortion was a no-show…it’s better to change the culture.

      Like

  5. keebler AC says:

    Bell curve showing that the left and right extremes are considered outside of 2 to 3 standard deviations from the norm.

    Like

    • keebler AC says:

      Overstuffed Kasick and Lyin’Ted are known to push extreme views at the complete and inhuman disregard for people involved. They take the Bible out of proportion…….in order to attest that they are morally superior to everyone else. What it means is they have a surface understanding of faith.

      Liked by 2 people

      • keebler AC says:

        For example, it is very rare that a mother’s health is at risk due to pregnancy. But these two turn it into a major issue. I know this may be difficult to accept but think of it as your own life being at risk due to a pregnancy where it is not yet understood what’s going on. Is the embryo healthy, microcephalus, does the mother have 2 other children…..etcetera. There are a lot of factors to consider. Imagine if it is not a healthy tissue and it will kill you. How different is it from your being attacked by someone where you must defend your life. The ethics are not black and white and I myself would defer from making simplistic judgments on the woman and her family. I’m not saying I’m for or against, but it happens so rarely, and is complicated.

        Liked by 1 person

        • keebler AC says:

          How about compassion for a young girl who has been raped by inces_t or criminal? To hear Kasick deny the girl rights is to deny real victims because of pretenders. There has to be a level of compassion which is sorely lacking in Lyin’Ted and Glutton Kasick. Even if you argue it is murder, there has to be a point in time where one should not politicize this very difficult issue for rape victims. Both the baby and the rape victim are victims.

          It’s shocking that women think they like Glutton John more than Trump because the glutton has shown very little sympathy for the ordeal that young girl incest victims go through. I personally find Glutton John abhorrent.

          Then for Lyin’Ted to suggest that gay people’s lives should be ended – how does that mesh with anti-abortion? IT DOESN’T. The 10% extremists are deviants – Lyin’Ted and Glutton Kasick.

          Like

          • OneWingedShark says:

            How about compassion for a young girl who has been raped by inces_t or criminal?

            So do we punish the children for the crimes of their parents?

            Both the baby and the rape victim are victims.

            If this is true, and I believe it to be, then how could anyone advocate the killing of one of the victims as morally desirable?

            Like

        • JeremyR says:

          To me, the ethics are a lot less gray than for others. Lets take a tubal pregnancy, there is no way the child will reach a state of sufficient growth to allow it to survive outside the womb. If that pregnancy is allowed to continue, both child and mother will perish. That one is fairly simple.
          Now consider what happens when the mother’s immune system goes haywire. Again, there is the strong possibility that continuing the pregnancy will result in death of mother and child. With close monitoring, and chemical intervention, can the pregnancy be continued to the point where the child might live? the bare threshold is 24 weeks, a child born at that point has a reasonable chance of living, but will likely have serious health issues. t that point, I would opt to deliver rather than abort, and every day that delivery can be postponed increases the chances for that baby. If a physician, not an abortionist makes the determination that the pregnancy would pose too great a risk, then let it be terminated. Since most physicians practice in groups, it would be easy to obtain a concurring opinion, and also to find a solution if one is presented.
          I am strongly pro-life. I believe in GOD, and I believe he created each of us, and that terminating a pregnancy for other than life intervention reasons is wrong. I feel the same about the death penalty, GOD defined behavior that he declared to be abominations, (I always want to spell it Obamanations)and he prescribed death. Where would our society be today if we executed the criminals whom GOD said should be put to death?

          Like

          • law4lifeblog says:

            The procedure that ends a tubal pregnancy is a lifesaving procedure in which there are two patients but the baby can almost never survive. That is not an abortion. The purpose of an abortion is to KILL the baby. That is not the purpose when ending an ectopic pregnancy .

            Liked by 1 person

            • JeremyR says:

              Call it what you will, it still ends the life of that child. I do not oppose it though some do.

              Like

              • fran wendelboe says:

                I think the RNC would realize that this would never fly…..Plus a rules change can not void state law that specifies their delegates HAVE to vote for their delegated candidate on the first round.

                Like

        • deqwik2 says:

          In Jesus day the Jews allowed abortion for the physical or mental health of the women. They didn’t take it lightly & a rabbi had to approve. Jesus never spoke out against what they were doing. They value an existing life more than a potential life.
          Judaism still follows this view today.

          Liked by 2 people

        • sandraopines says:

          I am VERY pro Life but understand exceptions very well.

          My mother had 5 miscarriages, all around 6 months gestation. The last one did a number on her. After the last one, the dr told her do NOT under any circumstances, get preggo or you will die. Daddy, being the understanding hubby, raced out for a snip snip.

          Any one of these pregnancies today could have been called for termination to have saved momma’s life. She would have done it even as staunch pro Life as she was. The health of the mother should always be up to the mother and the Dr.

          Rape, I am unclear why folks who are raped don’t take the morning after pill. Hello, you know you were raped. Take the pill.

          Incest…….. I can’t even imagine. Let the family figure that out. (shudder) I support whatever decision they have.

          Even as Pro Life as I am, I still want folks to have options and make their own decisions, just not for birth control purposes.

          Common sense conservatism and morality is what I call my position!

          Liked by 11 people

          • Margaret-Ann says:

            I really wish more people thought like you do, Sandra. I never comment or discuss abortion, but making an acceptation to tell you how much your post touched me, that there are people like you – with morals, common sense and an open mind. Thank you 🙂

            Liked by 6 people

          • deqwik2 says:

            In Cruz’s world there would be no pill either. He wants to ban that too. No abortion & no pill. He would allow the regular birth control pills but not those considered “abortifacient,”

            Liked by 2 people

            • sandraopines says:

              No morning after pill???? That is crazy! Morning After pill has the same effect as birth control pills. Seriously, Cruz needs a few minutes with a woman and an OB/GYN………… and I would like a few minutes behind a woodshed with him………

              Liked by 6 people

              • boutis says:

                Cruz is lying. Most of his positions are poll or focus grouped for a very specific audience. I doubt he believes anything except for his own purposes and ambition. As a debater he can take either/or positions on anything.

                Liked by 2 people

            • Big D says:

              “In Cruz’s world there would be no pill either.”
              Yes there would.
              ” He wants to ban that too.”
              No he doesn’t.
              “No abortion & no pill.”
              Still plenty of both under his presidency. More than anyone should be comfortable with.
              “He would allow the regular birth control pills but not those considered “abortifacient,”
              I beg to differ. What has getting a majority ‘Pro life, God fearing Conservative’ Congress yielded ?
              Massive selling of baby parts hasn’t been stopped.
              Fiscal responsibility hasn’t been embraced.
              Respect for the rule of law, anyone ?
              Rafael isn’t a genuine God fearing man, he just plays one on the campaign trail.
              Sure he drops the lines of Christianity. I see that as an inside joke.
              I’m sure he and his owners sit around and laugh at the easily duped ‘Believers’ .

              Liked by 1 person

              • deqwik2 says:

                I’m just ready to abort the GOP & give life to something better.

                “duped Believers” — Those who believe is he real are definitely duped. They would probably pack for Guyana too. You shall know them by their fruit & I sure don’t see any good fruit growing on or near ole Ted.

                Like

              • larry outlaw says:

                the video of cruz in college,tells you he is not a god fearing man,he is a pretender, he will never be god fearing because he thinks he is god.

                Like

            • Jenny R. says:

              I don’t think this is Cruz the person’s world (I think he’ll do whatever it takes to remain in some sort of power — the man is without scruples).
              It is the world of the Dominionists though — and that’s where a lot of his base is at (that and neocons such as himself who are without scruples).

              Liked by 1 person

          • keebler AC says:

            I don’t know everything but I do know it’s not up to us to harshly judge a rape victim of violent rape as a murderer for her feelings of wanting to end an ordeal. Women of true rape situations aren’t the experts and in control of how they react. It’s new to them.

            Like

            • Big D says:

              I have yet to see this myth in real life, where a genuine rape victim is shamed and judged.
              I have seen the ‘rape victim’ meme used to justify slaughtering tens of millions of babies, however.
              You are correct, women in that situation are not experts and have a range of emotions, feelings, etc and are fodder to be used to uphold the legitimacy of this barbarism by those who claim to be.
              Which is why My wife and I have consistently donated to the cause of Christian, Pro life pregnancy centers which offer counseling and habitation, if necessary, ( among other services ).
              Even in those centers, if she chooses abortion, she is not judged as a murderer.

              Liked by 1 person

          • SharonKinDC says:

            I actually think with the advent of the morning after pill, the entire ‘product of rape’ question should be moot, other than in cases where the mother is imprisoned by a kidnapper, like that young Mormon girl who was abducted and confined for years. Thus, I think the ‘debate’ doesn’t confront reality for a reason, but is simply carried on as if the RU pill didn’t exist. Furthermore for the 10% of the 10-15% faction, the reality is that subset likely would disagree w/ the RU pill… but they don’t want to focus on that aspect because it would make them look extremely unreasonable. Better to make it seem like rape victims who abort do so in the third trimester and ‘hack the baby to bits’.

            It’s dishonest, imo.

            Liked by 1 person

            • fran wendelboe says:

              So late term abortions and hacking the baby to bits (which happens in even first and second trimester….they get suctioned to pieces AND feel pain) are terrible you seem to imply….. But the pro choice movement —almost totally— fight ANY restriction of ANY type at ANY time. Rabidly.

              But the pro lifers are patented as the whacko extremists. go figure….The ones who are fighting for those tiny, innocent lives…..

              Liked by 1 person

              • The left controls the media. Defenders of partial birth abortion, live-birth abortion, and spinal snipping of viable “aborted” third-trimester babies are all hailed as heroes of the Democrat party. But it doesn’t matter. If I had to pick somebody to call extreme, it would be those who think infanticide as abortion is perfectly OK.

                Those of us who feel that a potential life in the future has meaning and influence upon our actions now, understand the “no exceptions” people. However, we live in a society where many do not share that view of the universe. To them, the universe only has meaning as it exists, and our latitude to change it should be impeded only by what we percieve in the here and now. They do not see a future human. They see a current “pre-human”, subject to being treated as less than human.

                Sadly, in many if not most cases, their view will change in the future, and there will be intense regret.

                The risk of seeing the world only in the present, is that one cannot see a future where one no longer sees the world only in the present.

                Like

            • stobberdobber says:

              SharonKinDC says:
              April 13, 2016 at 8:15 am
              I actually think with the advent of the morning after pill, the entire ‘product of rape’ question should be moot,

              http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/emergency-contraception-state-laws.aspx

              http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/pharmacist-conscience-clauses-laws-and-information.aspx

              Unfortunately many states have an awful lot of restrictions placed on being able to aquire the “morning after” medications. And the RU-486 medication is NOT legal in the U.S. I believe.

              Like

  6. mboyko2k says:

    I’m on the same page with a lot of the die hard social conservatives myself, but I have to shake my head at the naivety and lack of effective strategy. Rand Paul said it flat out “the right approach to abortion is to return it to the states, we could save lives immediately.” But the pro life people fight for federal enforcement of pro life statutes, which is the flawed principle that allows their aims to be thwarted 100 percent. And the number of abortions related to rape, incest or life of the mother are so small they should concede the issue to save lives now, and could keep working for more restrictions even while those laws go into effect and save lives immediately. And frankly reagan and both bushes (5 presidential terms, 20 years) should have been able to reshape the court to repeal roe v. wade, I would conclude it wasn’t important enough to them and the pro life voters were betrayed, but the same useful idiots just keep on voting republican. If trump does nothing else of value this cycle, I hope he can either reshape the gop or else bring about the beginning of the end for this crony capitalist fraud of a party.

    Liked by 10 people

    • RP says:

      Stop for a minute and think how profitable abortion – errr fighting abortion – is to these non-profits pro-life groups, politicians and churches. Why solve it and watch that swamp dry?

      If you want evidence that the so-called pro-life movement could care less about the innocent babies being slaughtered in the womb was their absolute silence – in some instances rebuke – of Trump when he answered the hypothetical answer on abortion….

      Liked by 11 people

      • yohio says:

        I would like this a million times but as usual problems liking anything oh well you get the point

        Like

      • paulinohio says:

        You know, I am always telling people it is about the money but I will admit that until I read your comment I never viewed the pro-life vs. pro-abortion as being about the money. But after pondering it for a while I realize you absolutely hit the nail right on the head.

        Give this guy/gal eleventy million likes.

        Liked by 1 person

      • SharonKinDC says:

        Excellent point. Additionally, it also provides a convenient wedge issue to be exploited politically in elections… often making it impossible for R candidates to be elected who are in the ‘no exceptions even in rape’ etc category-even in Red or mostly Red states. On the other hand, the pro-life advocacy makes it difficult for R’s in purple or even blue states, who are more moderate on abortion, to get elected if they try to saddle the candidate w/ an abortion stance which is more extreme than that State’s general population.

        Like Sundance said in the OP, few people love the idea of abortion. Almost all find late term abortions grotesque, regardless of their overall abortion stance. I’m tired of every R having inordinate amount of time spent questioning them on this single issue. Same w/ gay marriage. In the latter, besides having left it up to the states as a better option, the reality is the ‘marriage’ bit NEVER had to be part of the equation. It could simply be that Fed Gov recognizes for purposes of policy that two consenting, non-related adults may, for the purposes of benefits, legal access to medical records etc, file appropriate forms showing a legal union, which could even be a contract drawn, signed and notarized. (This wouldn’t prohibit those religious institutions who don’t object to gay marriage’ from issuing proof of a legal union for a gay couple. Poof. No fears of places of worship ultimately being forced to ‘marry’ those which their religion forbids. Mitigates the prospect of others claiming ‘marriage rights’ such as polygamist advocates, those who want to ‘marry’ a pet or stuffed animal, etc.

        Like

        • fran wendelboe says:

          MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger industry for Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry. Compare the revenue numbers! Pro-life groups are not well funded at all. Susan B Anthony list supports pro-life candidates, compare their revenue to Emily’s List. Pro-life people support their belief in grassroots and personal advocacy. Pro-choice people put their money first and are MUCH more strident in their support of “a woman’s right to choose”.

          I think the Trump comment flap shows that pro-life people don’t blame the woman having an abortion, but view her as a victim of circumstances and only damn the providers. They were as appalled at his prosecute the woman statement as pro choicer people were.

          There are many more alternatives to abortion. The “It’s may body” forgets that there is a second body…no matter how tiny and developing…involved.”

          Like

    • Jenny R. says:

      Honestly I’d like to take it the entire issue away from government permanently as I trust the state governments about as much as I do the federal. But this is likely not possible as our society has become one that is desperately wedded to our nanny state (everybody, not just liberals or whoever — everybody).
      The pro-life lobby (not pro-lifers, who may be very legit) is a racket, just like a lot of other movements (just look at conservation: there are many people who support for completely viable and worthy reasons, but the lobby is corrupt as all get out).
      This is the inevitable result of grassroots movements that become lobbies — destroy the influence of lobbies (which were never supposed to wield as much as they do) and you can put a dent in the corruption.
      Practically, and sadly, speaking, good luck with that.

      Like

  7. JAS says:

    The GOP as a party is in a no win situation. It certainly looks to me like it’s over for the GOP. It will be relegated to just another historical footnote.

    Thanks to Sundance and others the GOP has been unmasked. And Bernie is doing the same for the democratic party, which is even worse than the GOP. Both parties are merely a vehicle for Wall Street and Washington insiders to line their pockets with our money, and profit from our blood on the battlefield.

    The GOP faction of the uniparty has been scamming us conservatives for years and it is all about their pockets – period, just as Sundance just wrote. In the last 15 or so years they have done so blatantly, and with impunity.

    They will do anything and everything to stop Trump from getting the nomination, lest they lose control of their scheme. They will not give the nomination to Cruz either. And even if Cruz did get the nomination he would not win the general. I will go further and say that the GOP without Trump will lose the general no matter what. And they don’t care as long as can still take our money.

    Their big problem though is that there is no winning end game for the GOP without Trump. The GOP as a party will die. There will be no saving it. It will be damaged goods. People will never trust nor respect it anymore. No matter what, even if the whole thing is taken apart and rebuilt from scratch people will not want anything to do with it. The party will go the way McDonnell Douglas did with the DC10.

    Liked by 9 people

  8. pyromancer76 says:

    IMHO, the convention — which I expect Trump to win on the first ballot, but it won’t be easy — will come down to whether the GOPe kleptocrats/gazillionaires have enough voting-machine control to throw more primary elections. These crooked machines will also be major trouble when Trump runs in the general election.

    I can be convinced that Trump lost Wisconsin, but just barely, because I know it is a leftist-oriented state (I refuse to use the term Progressive. Socialist, leftist, communist is more honest, from an American history perspective.) However, I believe that with honest voting the outcome would have been much, much closer.

    I hope Colorado continues to blow up in the GOPe faces. Sunlight. How long has it been since we have had such brilliant sunlight with a large community to enjoy the glow and enhance the luminosity (astronomy term — the real thing).

    Thank you Donald Trump. Thank you, Sundance. Thank you. Treepers. And thanks to all the other bloggers — other investigative reporters — who are fighting the good fight.

    Liked by 15 people

  9. William says:

    He is there lecturing all those white faces in the room, guilt inflicted, staring at him. What if those were black faces, for instance? Would he be as bold to tell them that they only make up 38 percent of the voters, and in order for their party to elect the next president, the party can no longer ignore white conservative voters?

    Liked by 4 people

  10. alliwantissometruth says:

    I don’t give a damn about the system, or if all of this is legal or not, it’s wrong & it’s criminal. The reality is we, voters from both parties, are being denied the right to choose our candidates by a tiny minority of establishment citizens

    In essence, a “lawful” criminal cabal of swindlers & hustlers who carve up we the peoples process in order to enrich themselves, not caring about the destruction to our political integrity & to our country as a whole

    We need lawsuits, marches, criminal investigations, whatever it takes to confront these outrages & hold these miscreants accountable. I cannot believe the American people are just going to take this

    Liked by 3 people

    • RP says:

      The GOP and Democrats whatever you call them are PRIVATE entities not much difference than your country club…or church for that matter.

      The problem is not with the law, it is with stupid people who have notion of these things…

      Liked by 1 person

      • mboyko2k says:

        It’s organized crime, the federal government innovated RICO statues to go after such organized corruption!

        Like

        • JeremyR says:

          Our founding fathers innovated Tar, Feathers, tall trees and short ropes.

          Liked by 1 person

          • Christopher Johnson says:

            Those who make peaceful reformation impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.

            Liked by 2 people

            • JeremyR says:

              An interesting platitude, tell me, did Ignacy Mościcki make peace impossible? Do you blame Wilhelmina Helena Pauline Maria and Hubert Pierlot for their country’s invasion? What did they do to make peace impossible?
              Are we to tolerate the intolerable? Must we be wrong to be right?

              Like

    • nnud says:

      Revolution

      Liked by 1 person

    • larry outlaw says:

      exactly right,there are rules for the rules for the rules,and they can change them when ever they see fit, i`m a firm believer in capital punishment,and these crooks belong at the end of a rope.

      Liked by 1 person

      • fran wendelboe says:

        Wait a minute, the rules say if you don’t have 1,237 on the first vote, it goes into a second or more series of votes. Obviously someone has to give or you would just keep voting with the same result. and some are released on the second ballot, some will go IN totally uncommitted and can go wherever on the first vote. Most of this variation is determined at the state level. And here in NH, delegates are elected to the state convention by the people on the primary ballots. then they are the only ones who can vote on who state committee members will be. And the state committee members determine the policy of the state as to presidential rules. So it is a process that starts with the electorare.

        Ted Cruz understands the structure of this. And if Trump goes in with the required first round voters, Cruz’s efforts will have been a waste of time. But because of the RULES–which can only be changed by ratification of the presidential delegates of ALL candidates in Cleveland—it is unlikely that someone will come in out of left field. Do you really think Cruz and Trump delegates would vote to allow them to bring someone else’s name forward? The nominee can only be fairly one of two candidates at this point…Trump or Cruz.

        What Cruz is doing is not cheating. What Trump has failed to do is indicative of the seat of the pants operation he has. Big rally’s and sound bites can only carry you so far. Jeez, he wasn’t up enough on the rules to make sure his own kids had changed to the GOP by the deadline!

        And remember, while he is ahead in delegates right now, he has only had 37% of the vote. Don’t forget people voted for Rubio, and Kasich and Carly, Carson and so on. So 63% didn’t want Trump. You will always have a majority not wanting a candidate until you get the the final two. And then you get to see who will end up with a majority, whether it be by vote totals or delegate totals.

        Like

        • Mike says:

          Everyone criticizes Trump organization, but never have much to say about Cruz’s

          Because Cruz is losing to Donald Trump is number of voters, delegates and states won.
          What does that say about Cruz’s organization? Are they incompetent? Are they a bunch of bumbling dolts? Why can’t they attract quality endorsements? Why do they call a voter-less caucus “winning an election?” Why do they have to steal all of Donald Trump’s positions? Are they all hat and no cattle losers?

          Like

          • fran wendelboe says:

            What is says is that the Cruz team understand the process and turn out their supporters and the Trump people relied on Trump’s “i am so great that is all I need”. Trump’s biggest attraction is NOT that he is qualified, but that people are angry at the establishment and want to send a message. Cruz can give the same message and people are coming to realize that now.

            Like

        • LM says:

          That leaves an even greater majority who did not, do not, and never will want Cruz.

          Like

  11. tuskyou says:

    Sundance once again you are on time and on target! This topic was discussed on xm radio earlier today. I don’t remember if it was Wilkow or Hannity tho. Jeb Bush was used as an example. The reason given was he wouldn’t want to be photographed in a way he can’t control and end up in an opponents attack ad!

    I still can’t decide on going to Cleveland or staying home.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Lantos says:

      Hannity is another sellout like Rush, Levin and Beck. They were all laughing how Cruz did not let Colorado citizens vote. Cruz was smart to run a primary like Cuba or North Korea was Hannity and Rush’s take. They are evil scum.

      Liked by 2 people

  12. entagor says:

    Mick Mulvaney is self proclaimed leader of the “freedom caucus” which itself was a scam, set up to give legitimacy to GOPe tricks including to make it look as if the tea party approved of Paul Ryan for Speaker

    From the Breitbart article “Conservative Review Editor: How Did Open Borders Mick Mulvaney ‘Appoint Himself Spokesman For Conservatives’?”

    … if not for Brat’s electoral upset, a majority of the House Republican majority would have supported the Ryan-Gutierrez-Mulvaney immigration plan.

    the warning to stay away from the convention suggests to me there are going to be professional agitators stoking violence, and I do not mean BlackLivesMatter. I suspect the old communist tactic of using agitators posing as the opposition, posing as disgruntled Trump supporters, to create the illusion that the Trump movement is dangerous to America, The MSM will play along and use the violence to discredit the Trump movement.

    Both the GOPe and the DEM leadership fear only Trump. Soros rent-a-crowds used to overthrow governments overseas will now be used to stop US citizens from preventing a coup

    The coup leaders will avoid the convention and pretend their hands are clean

    Liked by 10 people

    • wondering999 says:

      I smell that sulfurous stink also. Everyone who goes to support Trump should be prepared for contingencies. I’ve never participated in demonstrations, but I think this should be researched. What do you do if the rent-a-crowds act up and you are teargassed, shot at, etc.

      Like

      • entagor says:

        I believe the only way to counter the rent a mob, is to have an organized group of Trumpers outside the convention, possible identified with numbered photo badges, Specially numbered shirts, who stick together in a tight contiguous group. They will be abused, spit on, etc, but by not splitting up, perhaps linking arms, they will clearly be identified as Trumpers, and the rent a mob will lose legitimacy

        I believe the MSM wants to stage people in Trump shirts, hats etc doing violence. One way to counter this game is to organize and control your own group for the camera. As with the bogus delegates, there are going to be Trojan Trump supporters who will try to blend in and gain trust of the others, and then betray Trump with racist and violent sloganeering

        people will have to reach back to Martin Luther King, who correctly indoctrinated his followers with non violent behavior, praying singing and limp non resistance. His people suffered great abuse, but ultimately discredited the opposition

        To think, my ancestors escaped communist Poland, and now the disease has followed to America and the American Trotsky amazingly is a venomous Bible waver

        Liked by 5 people

      • tuskyou says:

        I’ve done protest research because of the convention. No lotion cause the tear gas particles cling to it. Bring a bandana soaked in vinegar to hold over your mouth/nose if gassed. There is so much to learn and plan if you don’t protest on the regular! Lol

        Liked by 1 person

    • You could very well be right. The crowd at one of the Ohio Trump rallies included a few very sketchy and very loud “pro” people who seemed like Alinsky-style plants.

      Liked by 5 people

    • AdamSelene says:

      Yup. And there are posters on this very blog winking about violence at the convention. Repeatedly.

      No one in their right mind can think this is a good idea. There is no outcome where a pro-Trump crowd erupts in violence and this looks good and brave and justified on CNN. We are being goaded into something very, very bad.

      And Roger Stone is stoking this. What is his game?

      Liked by 1 person

  13. Vince says:

    I’m stating to question why anyone would still want to be in this party.Most of us are playing checkers, while the powers that be are playing chess. Funny thing is most everyone had an idea of all of the BS our Government and their parties were doing all along. At least, now it’s been proven. I’m sad to say it, but the America I grew up in and served for, just won’t be the same. I am glad there is someone like Mr Trump. Trump 2016

    Liked by 4 people

  14. Ace says:

    It’s time to remove the lower case “e” from GOPe. You people are kidding yourselves. They are the GOP. You ain’t. If you’re in their party, you’re one of their minions.
    The only chance is a hostile takeover by Trump. The Republican Party, as is, is evil.

    Liked by 8 people

  15. Vince says:

    Ace…I do agree..!

    Like

  16. JRD says:

    “There isn’t going to be a 2nd ballot.” – Paul Manafort
    He was awesome on Hannity this evening.

    Drop. Dead. Ted.

    Liked by 8 people

    • bofh says:

      “There isn’t going to be a 2nd ballot.” – Paul Manafort

      I’m not confident that there will even be a FIRST ballot.

      The Uniparty can’t take a chance on Trump being selected, despite their nobbling of delegates. Much more certain to just avoid the ballot nastiness entirely. They’ll probably either kill it during the rules meeting, or else look for a false flag outbreak of violence that disrupts the convention, blamed on Trump supporters. Or Cruz supporters, if you prefer – I doubt the Uniparty cares, since they have no more love for Cruz than they have for Trump. Cruz is just their current useful idiot.

      Think: Chicago Dem convention 1968, but with more at stake, and more professionally staged. I wonder if they’ll subcontract it out to Bill Ayers?

      Liked by 1 person

    • smiley says:

      the art of the deal

      Liked by 1 person

  17. joebal says:

    so “New York values” to a cruzer means.. “Not for killin all the gays!”

    ok

    Liked by 1 person

  18. Nettles18 says:

    Liked by 1 person

  19. rinokiller says:

    You can forget Sturgis….

    The annual Sturgis Rally will be in Cleveland

    It might not be pretty!

    Liked by 2 people

  20. mightyconservative says:

    Wow, Sundance! Incredible research, outstanding job in breaking it all out. I’m so utterly sick of the GOP. All of this filth going on, I know it won’t end, but when will things go back to being more honest? Can they?

    Like

  21. Linda says:

    I hate to say this, but what if these RINOs are avoiding the convention because they know something horrible is going to happen, like some really bad violence against Trump supporters who may be there in big numbers? I’m sure the powers that be would love to make an example of all of us and show us that bad things happen when we go against them.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Jason Ross says:

      They have Chicago 1968 as a example to draw from.. If they aren’t there, Trump will once again be pegged as the instigator of violence. The media walks lock-step with the establishment.

      Like

    • AdamSelene says:

      They will incite violence, blame the Trump supporters, and use that as an excuse to disavow Trump. I think the only hope is for Trump supporters to not show up and protest.

      Like

  22. Howie says:

    I don’t understand the “conservatives.” Trump has clear positions. He is for protecting the 2nd amendment. He is pro life and anti abortion. He is a practicing Presbyterian.
    The beef is that he is for sovereignty, against amnesty, and against the crooked trade deals. What is not to like? This is crazy nonsense.

    Liked by 5 people

    • Eris says:

      Common sense does not apply with cult psychology. We are dealing with absolutists who cannot accept Mr. Trump because of things like “he’s been married three times!” or that “he’s a closet liberal!” (never mind there’s no proof.) SMH.

      Liked by 2 people

    • JeremyR says:

      The GOPe are merely demonicRATs who want to own cheap politicians. Lets face it, a Clinton costs a bunch.

      Like

    • flawesttexas says:

      Many of the so-called “Conservatives” aren’t really Conservative

      You cannot be Conservative and support Free Trade with Communist China, sponsor ObamaTrade, join the Council on Foreign Relations, or end American Soverignty with a North American Union. Oh, and, its not Conservative to hand out soccer balls and teddy bears to Illegal Aliens who entered under President Obama’s executive order

      Ted Cruz supporters are the last folks to talk to anyone about “Conservatism”. Ted Cruz is as GOPe as the GOPe. Bet we will trace some Soros behind Cruz real soon

      Liked by 2 people

    • SharonKinDC says:

      It is precisely because Trump supports sovereignty, against amnesty, and against the crooked trade deals” that the sheep herders have done their psyops on the ‘whacko-birds’. I’d also say that some of the ‘true believers’ -ones highly involved in the political process-inc delegates or State GOP apparatchiks either really aren’t so staunchly social cons deep down, or are, but are also GLOBALISTS.

      Even the so-called uber religious right such as televangelists, preachers, and politicians sure do seem to fall off the morality wagon in their personal life at a rate which seems higher than perhaps the general population, whether ‘merely’ heteroxexual adult affairs or worse-creepy sex stuff or base financial fraud.

      Liked by 1 person

  23. TheLastDemocrat says:

    You guys have a stink storm going on. I am glad this political problem is getting so much high level media attention, with Ryan’s actions, always the topic on the news-talk shows, etc.

    Before any of this, the Tea Party folks were already upset. And, regular Republicans have fully recognized the “I will end Obamacare” declarations, followed by nothing,

    Now, on top of all of that, the party is getting painted – big time – as not interested in what its members want.

    This will not go well for them. The lack of turn-out in 2008 was sad enough.

    I so much want to see Trump-vs-Sanders.

    Liked by 1 person

  24. ezpz says:

    As a legal immigrant from long ago, it really irks me to no end when these doofi lump all immigrants into one monolith. In this case, the congressman puts all Hispanics into one group. That in itself is imo bigoted. Those who came here legally, Hispanic or not, are very much in favor of respecting and enforcing immigration laws and of having strong borders.

    Are these idiots that dense? Or do they just like the status quo of cheap labor, outsourcing American jobs, and perhaps even profiting from the black market drug trade? I wouldn’t put anything past them if it lines their greedy pockets. Nothing at all would surprise me.

    Liked by 8 people

    • wondering999 says:

      Hear hear. Identity politics are, in principle, disrespectful of individuals. I love Spanish and many of the Hispanics I’ve known. I loathe gangs, ingrained unquestioned misogyny, unwillingness to assimilate and join in creating a free, prosperous, healthy America, items like that — no one should be lumped into some random ethnic group regardless of their individual character. (That includes Caucasian Americans whose families have been here since the founding of the nation).

      Like

      • ezpz says:

        Indeed, wondering999.

        And I would extend that identity politics to gender as well. Not all woman think alike; nor do all men, as we well know.

        At the CNN town hall last night with Anderson Cooper, Melania said something very important and so very true: DT treats men and women equally. If a woman comes after him, he will fight back equally as hard as he would if it were a man. (paraphrased, of course) She has said this before and it needs to be repeated often, especially with Hillary chomping to play the ‘sexist’ card to the max.

        Liked by 1 person

  25. rjmc says:

    Manafort in Hannity: “Cruz people misses the whole point. There’s not gonna be a second ballot” Excellent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXy2X-CmZGA

    Liked by 5 people

  26. CountryclassVulgarian says:

    Hmmm. I am one of those “hobbits”, “whacko birds”, “bitter clingers”, “wing nuts” so hated by the GOPe Inc. I am a Christian. I believe abortion and homosexuality are sins. I will have no part in either under any circumstances. My Christian faith directs every aspect of my life. I do not advocate or will support anyone who advocates killing homosexuals. I am a staunch supporter of 2nd ammendment rights. I care about the economy. Although an immigrant, I totally support Donald Trump on immigration, trade “deals” etc. Most of the descriptives of the average Cruzer above applies to me yet I do not support Rafael Edward Cruz. I used to like him. I don’t anymore. I have been a supporter Trump from day one.

    Liked by 4 people

    • paulinohio says:

      I feel the same way as you do, but understand that Sundance is speaking more about the 10% of the 10% – meaning the people that have no issue with, and probably even support, Ted Cruz being introduced by a man that advocated all homosexuals be put to death.

      Further, these 10% of the 10% put abortion above all – I will say that again, above everything, even religion. How is that possible? How can they place one singular issue above their entire faith?

      My Christian faith guides me in my life, in fact i would say it defines who I am. But that does not mean that My top 10 concerns are all and only religious related concerns – homosexuality, abortion etc, etc.

      I’ve always felt things should be “live let live”. I have a very deep libertarian streak from the perspective of wanting government out of my life and out of the life of my fellow Americans. Where I struggle is reconciling that with my Christian values. Am I a hypocrite for thinking that does not apply to abortion? I view abortion (and I am speaking more about where abortion is used as a contraceptive situations) as murder – flat out, it is murder. So we’ve obviously already got those laws on the books.

      Sorry to ramble, just wanted to say that I share your thoughts and let you know that I have a hard time meshing it all together – that is my religious beliefs and my political beliefs.

      Liked by 1 person

      • CountryclassVulgarian says:

        Thanks for sharing that. I feel the conundrum too. I don’t like to say live and let live though because the love of Christ compels me to let people know the consequences of rebellion against God. I don’t want to legislate it but I can’t not say sin is sin. I do believe this country is under judgement – abortion, sexual perversion – those things are deeply loathsome to God. Anyway, I don’t want to turn this into a Christian discussion but I’m glad someone else understands how I see things.

        Like

        • jello333 says:

          I can completely understand how people can have really strong feelings about abortion. But for the life of me, I CAN’T understand all the concern about homosexuality. I’m not talking about the stupid parades and stuff where idiots “flaunt” or whatever… having problems with that, yeah I understand. I mean just the average gay person who only wants to date (or yes even marry) a person of the same sex, and then live an otherwise normal, boring life. I just can’t understand why the thought of that freaks people out so much. (And if the answer is “the Bible says so”… well, nevermind.)

          Like

          • CountryclassVulgarian says:

            This has nothing to do with my “feelings”. This is.about God and what He says is sin or not. “Male and female created He them.” He is the creator not my feelings.

            Like

            • CountryclassVulgarian says:

              The thought of human beings going to hell THAT freaks me out.

              Like

            • Big D says:

              It’s a perverted, satanic ritual which opens the practitioners up to demonic spirit infestation.
              Yes, this stuff is real.
              Yes you are living it whether you believe it or not.

              Like

          • SharonKinDC says:

            Jello, for some, it’s the “M” word. Some of my staunchest religious friends would not like it, but wouldn’t object to some sort of legal ‘union’ between two non-relative consenting adults for Fed Gov purposes: HIPPA medical records, benefits, income tax filing purposes, etc. They’d still hate it, tbh, but wouldn’t feel threatened by appropriation of a term which they (rightly, imo) see as a religious term: Marriage. Why do they feel threatened? B/C many believe this was the nose in the camels tent to have Fed Gov hound places of worship to ‘not discriminate’ against SSM and worse, to PERFORM ceremonies in their churches.

            Freedom of association is already under assault with the Christian baker and wedding photographer cases. In each, it’s a mom and pop biz w/o deep resources providing goods and services which are widely available elsewhere. IOW, there are plenty of bakers and wedding photographers who would happily provide a wedding cake or photo shoot for a gay couple. Frankly, if it’s not a big multi-national, or US National company, but a small, state owned business, who the hell cares who they choose to do business with? My example is what of a couple of lesbians who want a lesbian only bar? Should they be forced to serve men? (Frankly, I’d think a lesbian only bar would be welcome in areas w/ a sufficient population to support it… they wouldn’t have to deal w/ getting hit on by dudes who have zero chance of ever scoring!)

            Liked by 2 people

  27. Howie says:

    The establishment will abandon the convention? They will sit back happily and watch the show. I think they do not care who wins the nomination because they have Hillary to carry the ball. They just want to keep the loot flowing. The GOP does not care if they are the majority party. Just so they are the second party in the corrupted two party system. If Trump wins the nomination in the primary elections, they will have hell to pay. They will do anything and everything they can to prevent it.

    Like

    • SharonKinDC says:

      They’ll also avoid being buttonholed by MSM to answer Q’s on supporting Trump or Plan B, should that occur. For some, I think they want to see the result to best decide how to position themselves for their own reelection efforts.

      IF it’s Trump, even if they detest him, if they live in an overwhelmingly pro-Trump State or District, they may prefer to NOT have alienated themselves from the very voters they’ll need to remain in office.

      I see it less as a nefarious plot than a profound vested interest in looking out for themselves.

      Like

  28. roberto says:

    Either 1237 is absolute or it isn’t.

    Like

  29. muffyroberts says:

    This dang election is a roller coaster of emotions. Today we are up, tomorrow the GOPe will bring us down, most likely.

    Liked by 1 person

    • Ivehadit says:

      Steel yourself, Muffy! 🙂 We are warriors for Trump and we don’t let things get to us, especially the e and the media. We have our eye on the prize and yes, there is lots of emotion which is why this is just about the greatest campaign year in the history of the United States! 🙂 Go Donald! We are with you all the way!

      Liked by 2 people

    • Nope. If you remove yourself from today and look at the campaign as a whole, every time things seemed to get really bad from a media and opposition perspective it was right before someone dropped out or became irrelevant. I am seeing the same thing now –
      Ted Cruz has gone full Marco with this Trump is a gangster/mob guy thing. He is talking about horse heads on beds.. The media is picking apart Manafort’s sexual proclivity (he followed a swingers club on twitter – I don’t care). Cruz is not doing interviews with anyone other than his Beck and Levin crowd. The Rubio twitter crowd has stopped trying to figure out how to prevent Trump and just calling for the end of the world.

      Trump is appearing Presidential and getting the right people in place. We are close to capitulation by the opposition. This delegate thing will ruin Cruz.

      Liked by 3 people

  30. Truthfilter says:

    I have read this article 3 times and I don’t understand it. I get that the extreme wing of the GOP is the Cruz camp. I get that they are being used and that many are ideologues who are focused on social/moral issues. But these people don’t care about immigration, TPP, the debt, or the globalist agenda. What kind of policy might the establishment force on Cruz that would cause his delegates to see that they have been used?

    Liked by 2 people

    • jello333 says:

      Nothing’s gonna be “forced on” Cruz, because he’s not gonna be the nominee. But at least his supporters wouldn’t be TOO freaked out over that, as long as some of what Cruz “stands for” was incorporated into the party platform or accepted by the eventual nominee. That won’t happen either… and THAT is what’s gonna light the fuse under the hardcore Cruzbots. (I may not have that completely right, but I think so… 😉 )

      Liked by 1 person

      • fran wendelboe says:

        I believe that everything that Cruz stands for IS ALREADY in the GOP Platform. The plank is pro-life, pro second amendment, pro religious freedom, pro defense of our borders and on and on….so what EXACTLY that Cruz stands for isn’t there please?

        Like

        • Mike says:

          Apparently you don’t get it that he’s called Lyin’ Ted for a reason, he’s in the pocket of doners, and a GOP insider. Haven’t you paid attention to anything in the last 10 years?
          Have you ever bothered to follow the money? Have you ever bothered to fact check your pro-Cruz sources?

          Grow up and use your own brain for a change

          Like

          • fran wendelboe says:

            I understand the impact of money in campaigns and I know all about the process. Probably a lot more than you do. And as you telling me about growing up, if I haven’t done so in my 63 years, I guess I won’t. Cruz is a first time Senator so oh yeah, he is OWNED—NOT! And the establishment is having to really hold their noses…..but Cruz will not cave, that is why they don’t like him. OH and remember how Trump was asking just what would Cruz owe the two financial institutions that lent him and Heidi a million and a half? Making it sound he was OWNED by those two banks. Yet the good Donald failed to mention the HALF A BILLION he owes to some of the biggest financial institutions. You don’t see the hypocracy in this?

            Like

    • Howie says:

      They will show Cruz “The Green.”

      Like

  31. chasingfactsblog says:

    I think she designated the new GOP icon.

    Liked by 1 person

  32. Clc says:

    when herman cain had woman problems exposed, he was forced out of race. not so with super ted. the media whitewashed it. that is very telling. the super rich just want somebody they can control. ted just might be their guy.

    Liked by 1 person

  33. geoffb5 says:

    My own fear for the convention is this.

    Trump manages to win the 1237 and change but many of them are GOPe ringers who will vote the Party line when they can. The rules committee submits a rule change which unbinds all delegates, before the first vote. This gets sold as freeing the Party of unwanted/bad/racist influences. The ringers (and all the other candidates delegates vote to approve this as all hope for their guy to now have a chance to win). The motion passes.

    Then on the first vote all the GOPe ringers, who are in every campaign’s delegates, all vote for whoever the RNC/GOPe has decided will be their nominee. Chaos ensues and the election of Hillary is assured.

    Liked by 1 person

  34. GoodNews says:

    Well, obviously you overstated your case about who the Cruzers are. But yeah, I get the point. Fact is though: The RNC really doesn’t give a ratz a** about winning. They’d be just as happy to have Hillary,

    So yeah: Between the overstatement and that other thing: You bet they’ll nominate Cruz in a heartbeat, because as you said they are pragmatists. Sure will be a high point though.
    I’m sure Alex Jones is encouraging militias etc. to converge on Cleveland. Can’t say I blame anyone who wants to go to try to keep things civil and fair.

    The problem with Cruzers as I see it is most of them come from “Christian” heresies of one sort or another thus like your cartoon: They’ll lie and cheat in Jesus name. because they and theirs, Jesus himself is the center of their focus. You bet they’re dangerous. Fact that ALL Americans with a bit of common sense realize their comfy life is slip-sliding away raises the ante doesn’t it?

    I would say that Trumps new guy Manafort looks like a very level-headed type. I’m glad he’s on the team. I know he will assert himself with authority when the moment comes.

    Cruz himself is probably the biggest danger. He’s riding the edge and he’s close to criminally insane by my sights. He has always been a psychopath. Rrom the Sybil-type personality change we’ve seen anything goes.

    Like

    • fran wendelboe says:

      Good News, exactly what do you base your “opinion” that Cruz is CRIMINALLY insane? Your assertion that he has always been a psychopath? Are you a psychologist or criminologist? Have you EVER met Cruz in person and how much time have you spent with him? Met his wife? His kids? His Father? I’ve met them all, and spent days with Cruz traveling on his NH bus tour. He is none of those things.

      Oh, and you guys are basing your darts on some of his teen year statements but BLINDLY accept the change of position of very adult Donald Trump that flip flops with the wind, from guns to life, to the economy, to immigration, to health care being a fundamental right and role of government and ON AND ON. But Trump in your eyes can do no wrong, but yet you make these grand damning opinions based solely on your bias and blind lemming love of Trump. We all had grandiose and immature ideals when teens but grow out of them and most people rarely have huge swings in position once an adult.

      Like

      • AdamSelene says:

        No, but I’ve met psychopaths before, and they act like Ted. Have you ever met one? One of the smart ones that lies as easy as they breathe. If you haven’t then I can understand how Ted fooled you. That’s what they do.

        Liked by 1 person

      • Mike says:

        You’re a typical Cruzbot. Whenever Cruz is attacked or criticized, you refuse to face it, and pivot to attacking Trump. You’re lying about Trump flip flopping on everything, too.
        I doubt if you even know his positions, which have been on his website for months.

        But you’re a Cruzbot and you don’t care. There’s a reason he’s called Lyin’ Ted, but you don’t have a problem with that. Why should you? You’re a liar, too.

        Like

        • fran wendelboe says:

          Mike, I have not called you names. I am not a liar, I am telling the truth, look up independent stories on the web on the Trump changes in position. Hell, he changed his position I think four times in one day after he said women who have had abortions should be prosecuted. I find that people who go into name calling as you did do so when they can’t effectively defend their statements. I will not waste any more time with this thread….You see I do have a brain and now know that you can’t respect other peoples’ point of view.

          Like

          • GoodNews says:

            It boils down to Aristotle. A is always A: It’s not B. Of course as a teen, I had to try to make sense of gross contradictions to this in the name of love.
            Trump spoke hypothetically: If it was the law that abortion was illegal. He’s the only politico with enough honesty to answer honestly.
            You screwed up the context of the quote just like the MSM. The Domonionists, Mormons, word of faith and heretics of all types screw up the central message of the Gospel. The Gospel is about Jesus our bridge to God and our sin: Not about taking the reigns of control, best life now, keeping the law of God, etc, etc, etc,
            When we get down to keeping things in context: Obviously only Trump is qualified. Trump is a man of good will whether people like it or not.

            Liked by 1 person

      • LM says:

        Just wondering, have you ever gone back and researched Donald’s positions on guns, immigration, healthcare, and the economy or are you simply looking at him through the filter of Ted Cruz’s words?

        Have you yourself ever had moments in your adult life where you came to a differing conclusion from one you had previously?

        Have you looked at Ted’s flip flops on TPP, TPA, his loans from Goldman Sachs, his views on immigration, and the immigration reform bill he wrote for G.W. Bush? Do you agree with his views on the North American Union?

        As an adult, I came to the Lord and changed my positions about many things…including abortion.

        As an old adult, I have recently changed my opinions about talk radio, main stream media, and Ted Cruz. I am still trying to learn and grow, which often requires me to look into things more closely and then spurs an adjustment in my position,

        I don’t mean any of this unkindly, I just encourage you to follow your own advice to us.

        Like

        • fran wendelboe says:

          Yes, I have changed my mind on things, gambling the primary one. I had always voted against expanded gambling in NH but after 12 years, I decided that it was everywhere and having a casino in NH could be managed so that there would be help for those addicted.

          Yes, I have seen the actual video of his comments that are totally opposite of his now candidate positions. And he insists people are lying when they mention them while it is right there in black and white and full color too. Mr. Trump is a very interesting person and he does have charisma. I’ve met him a number of times, including one on one time.

          I understand the legislative process and know that someone in office will say I can support this IF, IF IF IF, the following is changed. The changes aren’t made and you don’t support it.

          Like

          • LM says:

            The if, if, if, part really shouldn’t apply if you wrote the bill.

            It really shouldn’t apply if you say you liquidated your assets for a campaign and it really came from Goldman Sachs and then say you forgot that.

            It shouldn’t apply if you say you are an outsider but you spent years working for the Bushes and have people from Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley working as your campaign advisors.

            Many of us don’t like insiders anymore because, for instance, they have made it pretty clear that they don’t like us and do not need our support. When we were called racist, uninformed, Hitler brown shirts we did not feel appreciated. And when we were told that we were all white males who do unmentionable things to anime…most of us felt that the title of “true conservative ” was no longer one to which we would aspire.

            Mr. Trump is not perfect, but Mr. Trump has displayed a huge amount of guts in saying things to defend this country that have caused a backlash of hatred and vitriol the likes of which I have seldom seen…and some of it has come from Ted Cruz and his campaign. Donald Trump said those things in defense of ordinary American citizens…things that should have been said and acted on by the people we elected to look out for us and did not…he put himself and everything he holds dear in jeopardy. We love him for that, and not because he is charismatic. Whatever you can say Ted Cruz did, and he wqs on both sides of the immigration issue…it was not effective.

            We love Mr. Trump in spite of the fact that he admits he is a nominal but respectful Christan who says the wrong things sometimes. We love him because he has demonstrated and declared that he will build up the country so that we can defend ourselves, help people being persecuted by terrorists throughout the world, and insure that our homeless and our vets are cared for and given medical care.

            We are almost all peace loving, good and decent people who have been betrayed by a party and its pundit. These were people we supported and invested in.

            I apologize if I have offended you in any way. Please forgive me if I have. I know it takes courage to come to a site that leans one way and post something opposing the popular point of view, but please understand. This is a refuge for the supporters of Donald Trump.

            Liked by 1 person

      • GoodNews says:

        Sorry about missing on re-read before posting: I meant to say “They’ll lie and cheat in Jesus name. because they and theirs, not Jesus himself is the center of their focus.”

        Like

  35. Holy Harlot says:

    Abortion and religion are fake political issues to keep the population distracted while we are financially fleeced. There is nothing conservative about activist abortion stance or proselytizing morality and sin. There is nothing conservative about sticking your nose into other people’s families and lives. It’s abhorrent.
    The right to bear arms is different inasmuch as it has constitutional standing and is probably the singular reason that we have not yet succumbed to European style control and oppression

    Liked by 1 person

  36. Daz says:

    I can already see how alot of this is going to play out. The establishment is bold and crooked because they have no fear of their Republican voters (Trump supporters mainly) they’ve already made it abundantly clear they”ll never allow Trump to be the nominee. It doesn’t matter if Trump
    won every delegate in every state. They”ll chose their candidate come hell or high water.

    Their in Obama “s court , if voters protest against it, whether in peace or violence. Obama will just enact marital law making Trump voters to be terrorists. We already see Obama and other world leaders protect Muslims and their terrorist activities. Either way they are cocky and comfortable letting it all hang out. We are just peasants to be controlled. Same on the Democrats side. Bernie fans will be made to comply with Hilary.

    Samuel Adam already in his time said if government got this way Patriots would have to step forward. During his time, he and the founding fathers was considered terrorists against the King. History is repeating itself. They are not going to go quitely, not with all the money at stake. Soon Americans are going to have to make a choice.

    Fight or be slaves to its government. They”ll be no change from them. We the people will have to enforce it.

    Like

  37. shipley130 says:

    My observation about the convention is this…Some of those pundits are warning about what a disaster the convention is going to be. Comparing it to past conventions. If these same people are literally attempting to make it a disaster, then if they succeed, of course it’s going to be a disaster. It’s like telling your daughter that if you leave the pie in the oven too long, it will burn. And then, if the daughter is called to go take care of something other than the pie and asks you to watch it and you leave it in the oven intentionally to burn it, of course it’s going to burn.

    Like

    • fran wendelboe says:

      the reality is that there will be protesters no matter who the nominee will be or if there will be a contested convention. All the liberal leftists will be there. But I agree that all the delegates will be pissed big time if they gop attempts to bring in someone totally new……

      Liked by 1 person

  38. Daz says:

    Well the Gop has already took away CO right to vote and gave the delegates to whom they wished.The people in CO should be up in arms removing those who dare to take away their voice. CO is just a taste of whats going to happen at the convention. Im sure the elite mindset there is that if we can get away with it in CO ,we”ll get away with it here.

    And as we see their totally shameless about it.

    Liked by 1 person

  39. myrightpenguin says:

    Took quite a few reads to fully absorb this. A very educational post, ty.

    Like

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

w

Connecting to %s