On the heels of the G7 in France, U.S. President Trump and Italian Prime Minister Georgia Meloni have been engaged in a geopolitical spat.
The core of the issue centers on Italy’s refusal to allow the U.S. military to conduct flight operations for the conflict against Iran from U.S. airbases in Italy. President Trump, Vice-President Vance, Secretary of State Rubio and Secretary Hegseth have all remarked on their disappointment with Italy and Spain that has led to a full review of U.S. NATO operations in Europe.
The issue became personal at the G7 when President Trump ignored Meloni’s repeated attempts to repair the friction. President Trump was no longer tolerating the two-faced approach. Actions speak louder than words.
Understanding, a very specific image sensitivity Prime Minister Meloni carries, President Trump stated, “Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni asked, over and over, for a picture with me during the G-7 meeting in France. She is doing poorly in Italy with her level of popularity, possibly because she turned down the United States of America, a Country that truly loves and protects Italy, when it came to denying Iran from obtaining or developing a Nuclear Weapon (But so did NATO, for that matter!). She wouldn’t even let us use Italy’s landing strips or runways, a great logistical inconvenience, and this despite the fact the U.S. contributes hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year to protect Italy, and other “so-called” NATO Allies. Now, after the United States defeated Iran militarily, she wants to be friends again in order to get her “numbers up.” No thanks!!! ~ President DJT
Meloni then hit back with: “these constant, unprovoked attacks are senseless. As for my popularity, being your friend certainly has not helped it, nor does it depend on my relationship with you. My popularity depends on my ability to defend Italy’s national interest, and that is exactly what I have always done,” Meloni said in a post on Instagram. She added that “in any case, my popularity is none of your concern. I suggest you focus on yours.” {source}
Check Date:
I don't trust this one.
She climbed on nationalism.
Then governed on globalism (pro EU).
Now returning to nationalism.Meloni is the Lindsey Graham of Italy. https://t.co/jz7TdRZQPi
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) December 15, 2024
Georgia saw this and got jealous.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QiInRF-7Nlc?is=KEKQQwcawt_JLrZI
Haha
Game of Thrones…
I never understood why Trump would rather bicker with this obnoxious woman in the media than use actual leverage against Italy and the EU in general.
These countries have lost their way, assuming they ever found it. For the past two decades, they’ve embraced values incompatible with ours and acted openly against U.S. interests.
That’s also why I never understood why we accept the EU, an illegitimate political structure not only detrimental to U.S. national interests but built specifically for the purpose of competing with the United States and weakening the U.S. dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency.
I never understood why Trump negotiated trade deals with the EU instead of using access to the U.S. market as leverage, playing member states against each other, destabilizing the bloc, and peeling them away one by one, rewarding good pro-American behavior.
Frankly, I don’t understand this president at all. He adopts an aggressive posture, insults everyone, and then caves, abandons leverage, or walks away from the very commitments he appeared ready to enforce.
Ray, this can be summed up in your statement “I don’t understand”. Global politics and economics are always a delicate balance, especially when America has undertaken the truly amazing and precarious change from globalism back to an America first (and other countries nationalism) policy.
You don’t understand. But he does.
Correction: Israel first.
Prove it.
Oh, gee…
So why do you culturally appropriate and profane the sanctity of the holy Jewish name Jake? Why not use your own names like Adolph?
Two words that have not belonged together since the Crucifixion.
re: “Israel first.”
Small minds grasp at the chews each and every time.
What is it with your kind, is that your ‘dog whistle’?
I’ll be praying for your Zionism recovery.
Horse manure. Boring and tired.
Isss da j000000s!
The most tired political comment of the 21st century.
“You don’t understand. But he does.” is not an argument. It’s an act of faith, and not a particularly serious one.
Of course global politics and economics are complicated. Nobody serious disputes that. But complexity doesn’t convert failure into strategy, and it doesn’t turn nonperformance into some hidden master plan. At some point, “maybe there’s a strategy” stops being analysis and becomes a coping mechanism.
The inconceivable ease with which our self-proclaimed negotiation genius most recently gave up on the equation — the nuclear program in exchange for lifting the stranglehold — testifies to the intensity of the collapse.
The willingness of his fans to pretend that this crushing strategic defeat and humiliation is somehow a strategy is mind boggling.
The tough-guy act gets stale fast when it repeatedly fails to produce results. What did he achieve that would outlast his presidency? I’d be hard pressed to come up with something and, if you were honest with yourself, so would you.
The recurring pattern of behavior is prima facie evident. Trump doesn’t follow through on anything that costs him. Wars, mass deportations, the DOGE effort to cut waste, prosecutions as part of accountability for the 2020 election, false Russian collusion allegations, weaponization, and declassified releases are all dropped or quietly abandoned the second they become inconvenient or face pushback.
What remains isn’t strength. It’s the bad aftertaste of a rather mediocre but drama-prone amateur politician, running his mouth and mistaking incessant shrieking for command.
He wins against people like Clinton or Jeb Bush because a man with no philosophy cannot be pinned down, which is a strength in a mud fight. But his election and re-election campaigns have both concluded. And it’s getting more obvious by the day that he cannot build anything that outlasts his own presence. There is no Trumpism without Trump because there’s no real product. It is personality, not architecture. He is a magnificent tactician with no strategy.
Donald Trump is a demolition instrument that we all desperately needed. He demolishes facades, exposes pretense, and gives permission. That is his function.
Expecting him to build the replacement architecture is like handing the wrecking ball operator a set of blueprints and asking him to do the framing.
In a way, as an officeholder, he already served his purpose. He showed that you can say things we were told we couldn’t say out loud, attack the sacred cows, survive the liberal hysterics, and still win. That mattered.
But that phase is over. Now it’s damage control, because what remains is his ego acting out without a strategy for implementing anything, and this will almost certainly cost us the midterms and eventually the White House.
predictable and stable politicians gave us the rust belt.
Yawn. Tell John Kasich hello.
He’s another first and last name TROLL…
Yep. Total hasbarah bot.
Think he brought his frinds for backup?
Becky BE
Did you know his father was a mailman?
And eats pizza with a knife and fork
Watch him eat pancakes.
John Ka-suck, here in Ohio.
“You don’t understand. But he does.” is not an argument. It’s an act of faith…”
It most asssuredly is an argument, and it is built on your very own premise that ‘you don’t understand’ and adding that President Trump does.
A strategy exists and the fact that you don’t understand it, does not change the fact that it does; your whole comment is just one detailed diatribe of complaints that absolutely prove that you do not understand.
The fact that your comment highlights that you seem quite capable of reasoned thought, has me not understanding your motives; do you just not wish to understand? Is this the classic concern troll approach? or, maybe a different form of Stockholm Syndrome with the lame stream media in the role of kidnapper?
Trump has just taken down an enemy–one run by a cult that wants to wipe us off the face of the earth–that has been fighting us for 47 years. He brought them to their knees in 12 weeks with the same number of casualties as Biden’s withdrawal from the last forever war of 20 years, and he did it without ground troops. Let me make that more simple for you:
Afghanistan–20 years–defeat–13 KIA just in withdrawal
Iran–12 weeks–victory–13 KIA
He prepared the battlespace for it beforehand, so that the oil disruption would not slow the US economy, while minimally affecting gas prices.
OPEC is done for, China has lost ME influence that took decades to acquire, the dollar has been strengthened, BRICS is done, and he destroyed Iran’s capacity for striking us with a nuclear weapon, What can the Mullahs do? Nothing, or else they would have already done it, I mean, just today they claimed the strait was shut down again and yet 16 million barrels came through.
That is just a partial list, and if you can’t see that, then you just don’t want to; it is not an act of faith, it is solid results in making America Great Again.
There’s a lot of money being paid to trolls out here. Now they’ve infected TCT, and they’re very real.
Perhaps Ray is genuine, perhaps not. However, he may likely be behind on a basic premise. Donald Trump is not the wrecking ball, for that was Rush Limbaugh. Rush was the first force on a mass scale to ridicule and expose the left for the frauds that they actually are. Then others, see Liberalism is a Mental Disorder on Amazon.
Many two faced politicians jumped aboard, promoting themselves as the answer while the sign above them said cash and carry, if you know where that came from. But it took a few decades to fill the dump trucks and haul out the ruble.
What we see know is indeed the new way having it’s foundation poured by a master builder. But on this project, the blueprints are not approved in advance, they have to be drawn as the process occurs. It’s ambitious, and ambiguous at once , and you don’t know where it exactly leads. We don’t have time to get there before the project manager has to retire, so the future is largely up to us, and a bit self writing.
I’ve said here to several people’s displeasure that Starmer is the worst leader in the world right now, far worse than anything we have ever had in this country, though we thankfully missed an opportunity in 24. He has declared the nation he leads unable to defend itself while preventing the defense of its most vulnerable citizens at home. There is no use in going on about him, but vast examples abound.
Our challenge is to block his fellow travelers here, and there are plenty of them . We do this by influence of those around us, responsible choices in where and how we do business, and being the most successful people we can be. The shift in trade, the rerouting of the flow of energy markets, validation of our representative republic via voting reforms, and ensuring free speech, commerce, and an economy that will benefit all who choose to participate are the major needs. A free and engaged citizenry will be the invisible hand that ensures the outcome.
It’s simple really. But never easy. It’s not Trump’s job. It’s mine.
Very good comment, especially on responsibility!
Why don’t you run. You have all the answers.
You’re an anti-Trumper on thegatewaypundit and you’re an anti-Trumper here. Simple stuff, really. It doesn’t matter if you write a small book for your comment. All you really need to say is I’m an anti-Trumper and be done with it. Why make us all suffer reading your vapid tripe.
Astute comments, sir. Thank you. Concur with all, so eloquently expressed with great clarity.
In short – it’s called “The Art of War” – by Sun Tzu
“What did he achieve that would outlast his presidency?” TDS has you by the Gonads something terrible. He got rid of a very real nuclear threat you fool. NUFF SAID…
they always know better, except the wait a few days rule.
He does? Is there more to that or are we supposed to guess? He does what? Knows what? From the look of things, Iran won the war which he started based on Netanyahu’s whining about Iran having the bomb. That story is so old it has moss growing on its north side.
Our costs are thru the roof and climbing and no, gas prices will now plummet by magic before the mid terms.
Bickering is what Trump he enjoys. I stopped pretending a long time ago that his style is endearing.
You have to look at the big picture.
President Trump knows what is at stake and he’s playing to win.
Keep telling yourself that as he, weekly, shoots himself in the foot and undermines the agenda of actually restoring this nation with unforced error after unforced error. Betraying and embarrassing his most loyal supporters and handing power over to the democrats.
Too many have forgotten that the point is “America” First. Not “Trump” first
Correct. He essentially A/B tests issues on his base, not to build policy, but to identify which grievance produces the strongest emotional response. The outrage becomes the product.
Then it’s monetized, redirected, or used as political cover for whatever patronage arrangement, backroom deal, personal vendetta, or ego exercise happens to be useful at the time.
But when the pushback becomes structural, when it moves beyond social-media mud wrestling and starts imposing real institutional, financial, legal, or political cost, he backs away fast.
Wow!! It reads like a copy and paste.
Is that how you really see President Trump?
Almost like word salad. The commie billionaire knew he’d have to send his best wordsmiths here. Same basic concept however as all the lesser smithy trolls.
Your lack of reading comprehension does not nullify Ray Bach’s statements.
See Rau brought his friends … another
much more at play then meets the eye
At this point, there is “much more at play then meets the eye” or “it’s complicated” is just the polite version of “please stop noticing.”
I predict we’re going to stop noticing you very soon communist.
We notice who you really are, and we’re not going to stop.
Just like with the FISA 702 re-authorization, sometimes you have to goad your opponent into walking away first. Remember, the EU and NATO are counting on the legislative branch to prevent the consequences from being implemented.
Well. Trump has earned the right to be Trump, regardless of what I think is proper behavior. I don’t really care how he walks, talks, acts, posts, insults or anything else in his bag. None of it bothers me at all.
Meloni’s popularity has ebbed in Italy and she did not want to be seen being Trump’s puppet. It’s very similar to Trump being accused of acting as Bibi’s puppet.
One acted as a profile in courage and one did not. She was called out – it works for me.
Thank You,David!
I’m far from being a teetotaler, as I know that even a Queens native holding the highest office often makes mistakes, but when measured and weighed compared to what we’ve had over the last 4 plus decades, he’s the fighter we needed, even if he falls short of expectations
Forgive me. I did not mean that as a slight towards the president, but on myself for being such an impatient a$$
Imagine, you have no inner voice or moral compass and you are in a high position of power by votes from……someone! You get paid for staying in that position.
Now, here in America politicians are hated pretty universally but in other countries they are like royalty.
They will dance to the piper who throws the coin.
Side note: if you could ever get a democrat to see that they would probably wash uncontrollably. What they say they hate they put in power over their own life, all that includes.
Are we all that brainwashed?
re: “I never understood why”
A difference in ‘pay grades’, responsibility levels, combined with the length and breadth of experience knowing, and working with the human factors like emotions, wants, drives and desires.
Hey Ray,
If you do not understand JUST MOVE ON!
We are good here without you.
Becky BE
We all are. Good luck in the midterms.
What about the European people ? Why don’t they do something?
How many were against this from the start?! and over-ruled! How many AFD candidates have DIED?! or other non EU candidates been threatened with prison?
How does anyone extricate itself from invisible chains with a complicit media re-enforcing phony narratives and values? Especially to populations raised under a Nanny State all their lives ?
Europe is pretty much lost when an oppressed people have Stockholm Syndrome.
Fight for America. We still have a little time but the window is closing fast.
Trump is able to do more than one thing at a time.
Often, while everyone is clutching their pearls distracted by Trump’s last bombastic statement, he’s doing something else that nobody is paying attention to.
Its funny because he’s been doing this for longer than he’s been in politics and people still fall for it.
You don’t think Trump tried actual leverage? The no-fly from American bases vs our needs in the middle east from Italy is a deal breaker. This is way more than a mere inconvenience.
Ray Bach –
Ray Bach –
Well said. Concur.
President Trump allowed himself to get sucked into a manufactured fake crisis in his second term, just as he did in his first and has seriously damaged his presidency and drove up the cost of living for everyone.
Blustering to wipe Iran off the map impresses no one because having uttered those windy threats, he loses interest. The pattern repeats, over and over.
All he had to say about Giorgia Meloni was that it was again a pleasure to meet with her at the summit, much in common, etc.
Instead, he compulsively starts with the schoolyard taunts which make him appear very small. Giorgia Meloni is all Italian. Her mother is Sicilian. He thinks she’ll forget that juvenile outburst of public humiliation?
Our country is slowly sinking into communism. An islamo-marxist is now running NYC. His counterpart is running L.A. Now D.C. is about to be taken over by a cop-hating, criminal loving, commie afro leninist.
Meanwhile, he’s off on a Sandbox Adventure with buddy Bibi, when not playing The Dozens with one of the few friendly European heads of state?
This ‘deal’ – and since when do nations make ‘deals’ rather thank agreements – is expedience defined, a band aid breather in hope of lowering inflation and gas prices ahead of looming mid terms.
> I never understood why Trump would rather bicker with this obnoxious woman
Because her vanity is her Achilles heel. By tapping that button, Trump makes her flame out in public and increases the gap between her and the Italian electorate. It’s a master stroke designed to get her to show her ‘true colors’. That’s Trump’s lasting legacy: getting every duplicitous rat out in the open.
Imagine a U.S. military that served to defend U.S. citizen’s interests and not be the muscle for the global “Rules-Based System” at the U..S. tax-payer’s expense.
Couldn’t agree more.
This sounds good, but it draws a false distinction. The U.S. military defending American interests and the U.S. military protecting the global system that sustains American power are not always separate things.
The dollar doesn’t remain the world’s reserve currency because people admire our poetry. It remains dominant because the United States has the deepest capital markets, the most liquid safe assets, global payment reach, sanctions power, alliance networks, naval power, and the ability to secure the trade and energy routes on which the system depends.
That doesn’t make every war wise. Vietnam and Iraq wars were disasters. Afghanistan became one too. Libya was outright idiotic. Plenty of interventions were elite vanity projects dressed up as principle.
But pretending the “Rules-Based System” is just charity paid for by American taxpayers is not serious either. It’s the operating environment through which the United States has extracted enormous advantages: cheaper borrowing, global financial leverage, sanctions power, dollar demand, market access, and strategic depth.
The real argument is not whether America should defend its citizens instead of the system. The real argument is which parts of the system actually serve American citizens, and which parts have become parasitic, obsolete, or captured by foreign and institutional interests.
That’s the distinction.
Filibuster Ray. At it again.
That last one looks like it was written with ChatGPT. Or is it Ai 100%?
Paste it into Originality.ai
That will let you know what percentage of Ray Bach is authentic.
You sure type fast Ray.
What a difference from your last comment, this is actually a sound argument. The only thing that I would add would be that while, yes we did extract benefits from it, they were gained in service to the bankers that run the rules-based system, who acquired the primary benefits.
Changing it to the US being the primary beneficiary is what Trump is doing, and his success or failure is the determining factor of whether we survive or transform into total chattel slavery.
Wrong again Ray
That’s exactly what your seeing now; no imagination required.
Meloni will learn, very soon, that, indeed, actions speak louder than words. President Trump has always made that his policy and he “rewards” disloyalty accordingly.
She picked the wrong bear to bait.
^^^^ This!! So simple.
but, but, but…
melo learned earlier (without saying so) the melo
-feared the illegal immigrants local reactions in ita ly
more so than loving the decades of u.s. providing handouts and defense to euro
(and ita ly was not the only ‘nato’ member that was playing games with air strips etc….is that right stam mer?)
p.s.
and yes, with ‘actions’ known,
that is some substance for upcoming nato talks ( prior verifiable actions speak louder than current words.
(and the media narratives, try 24/7/365 for decades to help people to not see the facts, the verifiable actions…) )
imho
All the Euroweenies are terrified of the cockroaches they have allowed in their countries. FOOLS!
Say good bye to their nato base in Naples. And carrier and fleet port of calls nationwide. Italy will loose billions of lira.
One can only hope!
I can’t stand Hegseth addressing Nato v.3! Get the US out of NATO and let it collapse under it’s own weight and incompetence!
And support for Ukr in that speech!
We have six military bases in Italy. Should we close them all, or just half? That’s the question on the table now.
Meloni must believe that the midterms will sweep in the Communist/Democrats and end Trump’s successes. Thus, the immediate rewards for working with Trump now are outweighed in her calculus by the punishments the Communist Democrats will mete out later.
You don’t think so? Note that the revolutionary cadres are ripping up the new lining of the Reflecting Pool and spraying algae to pollute its fresh water. They cheered when Trump’s name was taken off the JFK Center. They have said they want to demolish the new White House Ballroom. If they take the House and Senate this year, they say they will impeach Trump and the whole Cabinet.
This might be what Meloni had in mind when she said “my popularity is none of your concern. I suggest you focus on yours.”
She’s just counting on the Media to take her side, as she knows the weak minds are easily influenced.
Ain’t gonna happen
There are the sNews highlights, and then there are the people. We haven’t all lost it, and Damnitcrats are getting their arses handed to them where they are not the majority.
Might need to cut back on what you are smokin’…..
Just sayin’… do as ya like…
I live “rural” in a “blue state”.
Your viewpoint is not as accurate as I seem to think that YOU think it is….
God Bless ya~!
Move the 173rd Abn from Italy to Panama. That would far better serve US purposes and bolster our presence in Central and South America. It would also make the cartels a bit more nervous.
Can we signifantly expand Guatanamo for soldiers and deportees???
She sounds like a petulant escapee from The Jersey Shore TV series…with a better vocabulary.
What difference does it make, it’s simply the lion vs. the insecure little tart masquerading as a political leader
No va bene…
British usage “tart”?
😉
no equivalent in the italian language…
Took cues from Hillary
The EU experiment is dead – 1993-2026.
FWIW, I still hold out hope for Georgia. Up to now, she’s been pretty good at not getting Liz Trussed by Ursula, sending old, beat up Italian tanks to Ukraine as a pretend contribution but really dumping her garbage on the slavs. She’s been a survivor so far, and that isn’t an easy thing.
My fantasy is that this is kabuki theatre, and that we’re still going to try to peel Italy away little by little.
She’s not looking out for Italy’s national interest by letting the barbarians in.
Great call, Sundance!
Meloni is reason 10,000 why women don’t belong in government. She’s just pissed he’s not into a chain-smoking mid and she’ll MAKE HIM PAY for that.
Same story a million times over. And don’t even get me started on Frau Merkel.
Exactly! If we can’t use our base there, why do we have a base there!
We established a base in Italy in 1952. Today, there are five. I believe Italy was used in the F-111s bombing of Libya by support aircraft, and logistically, it was convenient then, and likely will be again.
There has been a reasonable Italy, and we can always hope that there will be again.
Six. https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/us-military-bases-in-italy/#:~:text=Italy%20currently%20has%20one%20air%20base%2C%20three%20Army%20bases%2C%20and%20two%20Navy%20bases.
One air, three army, two navy.
Let’s have one each service branch or none. We pay for just Italy’s protection twice. Once with Nato and once again with the bases. We pay rent on those things and the servicemen use their pay checks to buy stuff.
You’re only describing one side of the deal. Logistics is worth millions. If not true, Trump wouldn’t repeat how their offense hampered our efforts in Iran.
She isnt doing herself any favors by attacking President Trump. She would be better off, keeping her fat lip buttoned. She is shooting the golden goose. Just like rhe rest of the eu, phew…
Take our bases out of Italy Spain and whatever other. Country does not let us use them when we need too.
Screw them.
Sec of War is working on it. 6 months maybe less. 🙏🏽👏
That crew (UK, France, Germany, Italy) are no different than high school mean-girl cliques where the illusion of power they have over the rest of the girls in school disappears the minute the real world hits them in the face.
Sec. of War Hegseth’s comments in Europe the other day, about the US drawing down the number of troops we will be having on European soil is the dot on top of the i when it comes to paying attention to the mean girls of Europe.
The question I want answered is, when does Greenland become the 51st State? Netherlands, you are on notice.
Denmark Bessie 🙂
My bad. Thanks; too many topics to stay on top of, too many nations to remember who’s on first, what’s on second and so forth.
here’s Sec. Hegseth at the recent NATO meeting; 14 minutes:
Another emotional woman wanting to push into a man’s space but finds when she gets there she either has to rely on the men around her to get the job done or it doesn’t get done because she cannot do it.
Here body language at the G7 told the story. You didn’t need to know what was being said to understand that she was using her female appeal to try to get back in Trumps good graces. The leader of a country trying to offer herself as a form of payment. Wow.
EU already made the decision to dump Trump! And when Trump had “success” with Iran, and EU realized they made another mistake going against Trump. Trump remembers, and with his team will decide how to handle this with “strong actions”, not with strong “words” or “diplomantic word-salad”.
😴
I think Trump is the best president since Reagan, however on this issue he has been a paper tiger so far. Geld Spain and Italy for not supporting the war on Iran, do it. Stop talking about it and acting childish. Move the bases to Poland and Hungary. They know an ally and would welcome the $.
‘Tis a shame. I thought it kinda cute having her flirting with our VSGPDJT! 😉
White House
“President Trump’s Iran Agreement Is America First in Action”
This includes a lengthy list of favorable quotes from many politicians and others.
This is a good link to keep for future reference.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/06/president-trumps-iran-agreement-is-america-first-in-action/
If she decided not to participate her nation in this ill-advised war started primarily for the security of Israel, then more power to her. Maybe she, like I and other America-Firsters, did not swallow the baloney that Iran was going to launch nukes at the world in general either.
Oh so the EU is our friend? Lol.
That’s not the point. She did not want to embroil her country in something dumb.
AIPAC’s talking point about Iranian nukes is the equivalent of Saddam’s WMDs. Suckers lapped both of them up.
Then she should dis the most powerful nation on earth trying to remove a nuclear threat with reach to her country.
Now that is dumb
Your AIPAC talking point is tiresome.
You must not have been paying attention, for the last 47 years.
I have been paying attention to the fact that the US has been acting as the world’s policeman during that time and that we have been overextended. I was expecting a reduction during Trump 2.0. Instead, our adventurism has increased.
It’s costly. It’s ruining our budget, something that should be a top priority for America-Firsters like myself. Others like globalists or neocons think otherwise.
You sound like Rand Paul.
Oops, no you don’t:
Sen. Rand Paul: “The same voices now attacking Trump’s Iran deal are the architects of every failed intervention of my lifetime. This war must end. I stand with President Trump on peace.”
in general, politicians are anyones dog who wants to hump
Where is my Sundance is never wrong hat?
Let’s see which way her popularity swings, when the citizens of Italy find out that she was one of the primary motivating factors for the dissolution of NATO.
There is no point in having military bases in Western Europe if we can’t use them when needed. And, there is no point in defending Western Europe, if they are not good allies, have no interest in defending themselves and are intent on starting a hot war with Russia.
They want us to pay for it.
Interesting…but grain of salt.
Dear Italian Government and @GiorgiaMeloni, We Americans remember the the COUP DE’TAT you participated in re: the 2020 Election
Testimony:
In Italy, Leonardo, a defense contracting firm had strange people come and go from Frankfurt into the Italian US Embassy.
According to Italian Intelligence, they were at Leonardo to change the results of the 2020 election Presidential Election.
—— This was a calculated attempt to take down presidencies and control entire countries.
• A hand delivered letter that described how the election was stolen was delivered to Donald Trump on Christmas Eve in 2020
—— Arturo D’Elia was willing to testify….
• Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department head, in an audio recording, reveals there was an operation to rescue Arturo— But it never happened and it was buried.
• John Durham is in possession of documents relating to Barrack Obama moving $400 Million in Pallets of Cash to the Dubai Embassy into the Merrill Lynch Bank in Geneva Switzerland.
• Following the Coup, 5 Italian Government officials, including an ambassador, was murdered.
• This Coincides with Marco Polo’s report on the CCP using the Italian defense contractor Leonardo SpA to steal US aerospace technology
• Leonardo SpA was in business with the same UBS Securities that infused $400 million into Staple Street Capital, the owner of Dominion Voting Systems, just weeks before the 2020 presidential election
• This coincides with the Supreme Court of Italy legal counsel testifying under oath about interference in 2020 election rumble.com/v3usaek-supreme-c…
• This coincides with General Thomas McInerney speaking about Leonardo and was Foreign Election Interference, Hammer & Scorecard, Italy Changing Votes
He mentions There was an affidavit in Italy:
—The affidavit he is referring to is of Aldi’s D’urso. Reportedly a Senior IT Expert at Global Defense Contractor who testified in an Italian Federal Court; that he and Others Switched Votes
— “What she’s talking about is a person who is telling the world what Italy’s role was using the Italian Government satellite, Leonardo, and they were changing votes.”
“There were many countries doing that, but it had to be controlled from China using HAMMER & SCORECARD, in my opinion, because you couldn’t have so many different attacks because you’d be changing numbers and all 50 states wouldn’t match up. That has to be synchronized.”
Foreign countries involvement in the US elections in 2020-2021:
https://rumble.com/v381m67-general-mcinerney-flashback-2021-foreign-countries-involved-in-elections-ha.html
US and Italian testimony:
https://rumble.com/v7bisow-italian-satellites-involved-in-the-theft-of-the-2020-election.html
Holy mackerel @ Harrison for your post and Thank You for refreshing my memory re Italy’s role in the 2020 “election”! And thank you @ Sundance for posting the pix of Meloni using her Italian “charm”, eg, pleading child eyes. What a useless ploy. The last thing I’ve seen Meloni do is go bring Biden back from his wandering at some “world leader” meeting at some forum. Thought that was kind at the time, but am now thinking she ought to have let him roam.
Also let us not forget that Italy is/was one of Fauci’s favorite hunting grounds for ejackulating his shot into everyone residing there. Where is Meloni on that whole thing?
I believe she is using her “sexy.” Uh, honey pie Meloni, in case you haven’t noticed, President Trump is married to Melania.
My neck gets a workout every night just shaking my head from side to side just thinking about stoopid humans.
Just where did the world wide belief begin wherein “there are no consequences for committing a sin?”
All true, yet happened before the current government came to power in October 2022.
Shall we start about how right after the Italian government made a deal with Khadaffi about oil and refugees the Obama regime ignited a civil war in Libiya? I mean put the blame where it is due.
Trump called macrons wife beautiful. he didn’t notice the size 14 shoes and wig.
Deplowmanic stuff.
Trump is just calling out two faced meloni baloney.
Obama’s oddball libary building is art to some people.
what is fake is obvious to most people except those who don’t live in reality.
Another sideshow.
Be sure and send the Obummers a couple of million to pay for your art. Good idea.
Maybe Elon can go cool her jets?
She favors Elon.
Many people. I believe, are missing that President Trump has put the PM’s vanity on public display. She wants to be liked by those in power, but 47 is secure in his self and operates by logical thoughts and tosses feelings out the window. Italy, didn’t stand with us during this global Iran issue. They’ve been kicking the can down the road for as long as we have. Things are different now. Change or get runt over. Her feelings are hurt…so what. Grow a set, put “the feels” aside and govern your people well. 47 hasn’t changed. They want him to change…ain’t gonna happen. ‘Merica First baby.
She is fickle two faced …. and let me add by the way she was looking at President Trump, A HUSTLER of our President.
President should send a bill to Georgia for protect her country ,
She comes across as a wolf in sheep’s clothing, yet she is a part of the EU, that issue speaks volumes.
Every thing President Trump does is strategic, a psyop, a way to get leverage. He is making moves to leave NATO.
She sounds miserable.
EU & NATO & GB are not friends of America. They will use NATO to drag US into WW3 with our Natural Ally, Russia. imo.
“The core of the issue centers on Italy’s refusal to allow the U.S. military to conduct flight operations for the conflict against Iran from U.S. airbases in Italy. “
The core matter why PM Meloni broke with PDTJ is the US-Israel war on Iran
At the UN General Assembly on 9/24/25 , the dispute between Prime Minister Giorgia Melloni and Infrastructure Minister Matteo Salvini (the Lega leader’s approval rating has plummeted since then) over support for Palestine’s statehood and partial backing for EU sanctions against Isreal escalated publicly.
Two months ago, Meloni announced that she will halt Defence Agreement with Israel from 7/12 and her refusal to allow the U.S. military to use U.S. airbases in Italy for Iranian flight operations. At that time, she also defended Pope Leo IV. (“right and proper that he call for peace and condemn all forms of war”) following PDJT essay on TS (“WEAK on Crime, WEAK on nuclear weapons, and terrible for Foreign Policy”). This did not go over well with Italy’s population, three-quarters of whom are Catholic.
This leads to a significant fact : Meloni can’t win over Italian voters with the U.S. foreign policy: As 4/5 of Italians now hold a negative opinion on PDJT, it seems that voters rejected the constitutional referendum on judicial reform in 3/26 to signal their discontent to Meloni ahead of general elections next year.
As I posted yesterday.
Futuro Nazionale Vanmaci (5.9%) has actually hurt Lega Salvini (5.8 %) a lot more (lost 50%) than FdI Meloni. FdI is still at 28%.
I think FdI Meloni could gain more Center votes. President Trump is not popular in Italy. Vannaci is taking more from Lega Salvini which is a shadow of its past (dropped to about 10% and now almost half of that post Vannaci). It’s possible the Center Right coalition could lose power. As an Italian citizen I hope that doesn’t happen.
In the third paragraph of my post I simple wanted to point out that Meloni’s motives are also driven by electoral tactics. Her next escalation of the side issue regarding the “op-ed” (“My popularity is none of your concern. I suggest you focus on yours”) reinforces my view.
Yes, I agree on the Meloni’s electoral motives (she is a political animal) but my point is FdI Meloni will maintain current levels of support into 2027 elections. Just have to see how it all plays out.
She’s the Lindsey Graham of Italy? Nonsense. America should leave it’s bases in Europe and in most of the rest of the world where we don’t belong. Let’s focus on America First and stop meddling all over the world. While we’re at it, let’s unplug the CIA, twin sister to MI6, and destroyer of liberty around the world. We’re 39 Trillion backwards and America has been falling apart for decades – time to wake up and smell the coffee. If PDJT can really get the American Financial Sytem fully-functional, there is hope. If we can deep six the idiots like Lindsey et al, we have a chance to save Ameria. Let’s start building and stop being the enforcer for punks like Israel, a country that shouldn’t exist on the face of God’s earth, and The City of London.
Agree wholeheartedly.
Our membership in NATO has gone on too long. It has been a costly, unnecessary burden after the demise of the Soviet Union. It has allowed the EU to skate on their own defense needs. Sadly, the US has been picking up that tab while Europe doles out socialistic benefits to its citizens and immigrants. Criminy.
However, in this case, Meloni is correct. NATO, no matter how passe, was an alliance for a mutual defense of its members, and not a task force for Israel. NATO stood as a guardian against the Soviet Union, and not against any pest in the Middle East. NATO has been hijacked for meddling in that quagmire and Meloni refused to participate. Kudos to her.
Tell me, do you remember NATO being involved in Afghanistan? Pretty close to the ME.
As fake as a two dollar bill
If her popularity is based on her ability to defend Italy’s national interests then she has failed miserably.
She has pissed off the best ally Italy ever had and has failed to expel the invaders from Africa and the Middle East.
George Papadopoulos
@GeorgePapa19
I think @mattgaetz
is on to something here regarding the US-Italy fall out….
Video linked…
For a long time now, our Intelligence Agencies have used foreign intelligence agencies to do things they want to do but are hindered from doing by U.S. law. Gatz knows this is true. His presentation of that idea as speculation is pure CYA on his part because he doesn’t want anyone asking why HE did not seriously question it when he was in Congress.
Sundance,
I had a bad gut feeling about “missy Italy” and YOU were and are 100% RIGHT.
It took a little while but the EU monster causes fear in even the most well meaning light weights. To go against these mafia bullies you have to be determined WHATEVER the COST.
Meloni is leading a stable (in a few months the longest sitting cabinet since the republic was established in 1948, after the abolition of the monarchy) right wing government, a coalition of (some more than others) conservative movements, not just her party.
This in a country were the institutions are thoroughly infested with leftist ideologues, were streets and avenues are named after Antonio Gramsci and trade unions still regularly strike and bring public transport etc. to a standstill.
In March a referendum, championed by Meloni, to constitutionally reform the justice system was narrowly rejected and a political setback. Yet despite it all she supported Trump, which in Italy and Europe in general (the msm here are just as biased as in the US) does not win you any popularity contests. . Just a little background.
Not giving advance notice to use the bases for such major operations (as agreed upon when the leases were established!) and basically denying a choice to the Italian government in the matter is not handling in good faith and basically a slap in the face of an ally that has also bled in Irak and Afghanistan.
If you want to run roughshod over other countries internal interests or don’t care about them, fine, go ahead, but don’t go calling them out afterwards when you don’t get what you want.
If you don’t want or need any friends, fine too, but it does get lonely after a while.
Who is to say that the current policies of the US will continue after 2028?
You can’t even hold free and fair elections, have an utterly corrupt establishment and yet you have no qualms lecturing the rest of the world.
It’s called hubris and about time for a serious look in the mirror, if you dare.
PS Before you unload;) I think the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are some of the most important documents ever written in modern history and should be the basis of any society (should they choose so)
“constitutionally reform the justice system was narrowly rejected”
It’s in the eye of the beholder whether a 47–53% rejection (or short of 1.8 million votes) is narrow, after polls in mid February had shown a similar advantage the other way round (which most commentators called “significant”.
“Yet despite it all she supported Trump”
She has publicly distanced herself from PDJT since the fall of ’25:
I agree but I believe FdI Meloni will stay at current support levels ~ 28 % into the 2027. As I mentioned previously I think this current rift with President Trump might actually help gain support for FdI Meloni. The question is can the Center Right Coalition maintain power. I am not a super Meloni fan but as an Italian citizen I rather have her than M5S Conte or PD Schlein. Also some of the talk here (not you) is not well informed.
“I think this current rift with President Trump might actually help gain support for FdI Meloni.”
Those are her intentions, which will likely be reflected in upcoming polls. It remains to be seen whether voters will still be thinking about the “op-ed” affair next year, but when it comes to President Trump, I’m certain: it’s because of her policy shift, not because of the “op-ed.”
“some of the talk here (not you) is not well informed.”
One of President Trump’s biggest matters is that he is confronted by a united Left that
while the remaining Bush-guard Republicans and the patriots are drifting further and further apart, particularly because of his pro-Israel policies. This is a reality that few are willing to acknowledge, and whose consequences could reach a scale “we have never seen before.”
Meloni faces similar in Italy. She is under intense attack by the Italian Left. Some people here (not you) are totally uninformed.
As you know Meloni is no lightweight politically. She actually formed a coalition government unlike AFD and National Rally Le Pen (who if they can ever form a government will be Center Right). Meloni will do what she has to keep the coalition together.
If you aren’t for us, you are against us.
That applies to Meloni and all leaders of NATO member states who didn’t allow the US use of our military facilities.
We don’t value two-faced “allies”who don’t support us when we need them.
The US has guaranteed security in Western Europe for 80 years.
80 years of shouldering a burden because of a war we did not start, but were instrumental in ending.
Did the America of 1940 have a single base in Europe???
Are not the nations of Europe (both Western and Eastern) fully recovered from the devastation of WW2???
And are they not supposedly in a political alliance (the EU) that gives them the ability to fend for themselves???
Why does America have to maintain men and military in Europe?
Why is NATO still (supposedly) functional???
WHY does the American taxpayer still support the snobbish Oh-so-sophisticated
European citizen????
When a child grows up – the parent needs to let it stand on its own 2 feet.
To be independent.
Free to learn from its mistakes.
Otherwise, the child will Always remain a child.
It’s time for the United States to allow Europe
to grow up.
She is looking at POTUS like she just met her teen idol…
You don’t have to dig too deep to see who’s pulling her strings. Politics and religion are not strange bedfellows their soulmates. They always have and always will go hand in hand. Chris and dumb is not Christianity and the Italians will do whatever it takes to keep The ecumenical ball rolling.
No scriptures of any private interpretation says what it means and it means what it says.
Good call, Sundnace!