My dearest friends, I have not spent a decade focusing on FISA or the ‘702’ issues because defeating the pending surveillance state has been the priority; that is an ancillary matter against powerful financial interests.
No, the core of my focus has always been on what FISA (702) represents.
FISA (702) et al, is a tool, a key per se’. A key that unlocks a data library. We debate control of the key, but do not spend enough time focusing on the data library itself and what it represents.
I’m not even sure if President Donald Trump is fully aware of this or not, but I am generally confident that DC insiders understand the potential.
The NSA database is essentially a library of information about activity. It is a storage box of metadata and within that data there is a sub-set, a flow of information related to election activity.
Behind that part of the issue, with that thought in mind, you now have an expanded perspective of why the ODNI would be involved in election type investigative activity. The DNI is above the NSA Director. The ODNI is an access point to the data library. Tulsi Gabbard as DNI has a vested interest in all the data housed within that vault.
Congress stood jaw agape at the appearance of DNI Gabbard in Fulton County, Georgia, without actually recognizing what stakeholder interests are represented by the content in Fulton County election warehouses.
Essentially, the NSA data vault shows XXX activity, and the factual paperwork supporting XXX exists in physical warehouses. The data is within a digital library. The factual paperwork is on the ground.
Now, pause for a moment and understand the digital library is one aspect. Access to that digital library is an entirely different kettle o’ fish.
The lockbox to open the digital record is accessed using the recently discussed 702 pathways. As presented for several years, the FISA (702) key is simply a tool. The tool is needed to unlock the data.
Arguably, if you cannot access the data there is no reason to capture it. As a result, without FISA (702) there is no collection, because there is no need for metadata collection. Understood?
As a consequence, FISA (702) is not about foreign stuff as it relates to the common discussion; instead, it is the baseline of the entire data capture. Understanding this takes you to a mental reset.
The capture is never discussed (see Edward Snowden -vs- James Clapper), we only see debate on the access.
So, if you take your thinking back to the data collection itself, then you ask what is in that massive digital vault we call the NSA library.
There’s a lot of stuff in there, including all of the electronic data that surrounds elections. All of that data can be filtered permitting a granular look at election outcomes and all the background electronic communication that comes attached to it. [Hence, the DNI stakeholder interest in Fulton, County.]
FISA (702) essentially represents the authority, the key that unlocks the ability to review the data.
Think very carefully.
If the database contains the digital records of elections, and if those digital records show manipulation of election data, then anyone accessing that massive library would represent a risk.
How many people in DC are in elected office as a result of election manipulation?
Now, does the recent display of extreme concern from specific people in congress start to take on a new context?
Well Trump has said several years ago that we caught them all. Using the NSA data info for a RICO case for treason or election fraud would explain why he could say that…
OK so where are the indictments? Arrest?
I do not know. Hopefully this this the reason:
“A sealed indictment is a formal criminal charge issued by a grand jury that a court keeps hidden from the public and the accused. It carries the exact same legal weight as a regular indictment, but its existence is locked away until authorities are ready to make an arrest.”
Adding on to your reply:
Plus, an airtight case must be in place, one that can withstand the initial court review by corrupt judges in the most likely jurisdiction a case would be made, as well as withstand the appeals process.
My brain hurts thinking about all the facets legal teams have to work through for a successful prosecution.
And like with everything else, public opinion matters. So on top of the law, PR is a consideration. Get the public on the side of the prosecution, and judges just might respond properly and legally, maybe.
Just like with negotiations occurring on the Iran topic, instant reward is not in the cards. Iteration is key.
You can’t just have the data, you must be able to illustrate that you obtained the data by legal/lawful means. Therefore simply possessing the data would be thrown out if you were obtaining it through the FISA database & didn’t possess the approved warrants/accesses for that specific piece of information. Also, if I’m not mistaken, FISA is only supposed to be utilized for foreign intercepts & not domestic. Hence while we can see what “manipulation” has occurred, there has to be a legal workaround to be able to present it & be able to illustrate how & where it was lawfully obtained.
In essence we can’t break the law to show how they broke the law, if you want any arrests & convictions to hold.
Yeah, I would think the Secretaries of States would have to submit election info to Federal Government for that to be legal?
Yep, unless any of the SOS’s in question were working with a foreign actor(s) to create the manipulations. But if it was the Michigan, Arizona, Nevada & Georgia SOS’s working together then I don’t think it’s usable unless an eye witness or whistleblower comes forward?
Think FOREIGN manipulation of voter data.
That is an excellent argument.
It is a logical argument.
And yet, democrats and RINO’s broke every law and rule you mentioned, got caught by the FISA court, and were *NEVER* held accountable.
Corrupt FISA judges made mighty sure of that.
It cannot be a two tiered system.
But for democrats/RINO’s……it has been.
And they KNOW it.
“where are the indictments? Arrest?”
IMO best to keep that under wraps until after the mid-terms. Otherwise the majority of the populace is going to believe this is only political retribution.
This always reminds me of children asking ‘are we there yet’ without having any knowledge of the procedure, time and effort it takes to get to that destination.
Sundance, thank you for your tireless efforts on behalf of all Americans. Praying for your continued good health and safety.
Excellent educational summary, SD.
This stuff helps frame my thinking when I read or hear what our politicians are saying.
Thank you.
Hmm, it does seem that some people in Congress (both chambers), as well as state-level offices (legislative, executive, and judicial), as well as “in the know” media talking heads are, methinks, protesting a bit too much.
I would bet that trump knows what the database represents.
Wouldn’t the perps, those who want to keep their election corruption on the down low, be inclined to do away with the 702 query ability?
If no one can access the database, their election manipulations could be kept secret.
Maybe I’m missing something.
The perps want the query ability so that they can keep blackmailing people. The stuff the perps were/are doing is so blatant that they think throwing a “conspiracy theory” label at anyone questioning them would be enough to keep the gig going. DJT and team (Tulsi) keep throwing wrenches in their plans.
Not if you intended to stay in power. Trump, and those who voted for him, ruined that. Explains the bonkers TDS that we see today.
They have Pandora’s Box.
They have opened Pandora’s Box.
They know if anyone opposed to them can get into Pandora’s Box, they get caught.
They want to maintain absolute control of Pandora’s Box at all costs.
Precisely. The snare caught the hunters at their own game. The only way this resolves is either full-tilt control by the guilty (many congresscritters and senators and their enablers) or the system exposes the deeds. THIS is the struggle we are seeing, which actually explains the bizarre public machinations of guilty parties. Things are not as they seem
How many people in DC are in elected office as a result of election manipulation?
In one form or another, literally every uniparty elected official is in office by means of election manipulation.
Thank you !
How can some of the most unpopular people keep getting reelected decade after decade
What other data are they interested in? Surely it’s not all for elections.
Collection of Company A data, that sure is talking a lot to Company B. Is a merger in the works? Trade the stock or don’t trade it?
A lot of people meeting up in a certain place and at a certain time? What are they up to?
A lot of chatter about uprising over a certain court case? Can it be spun up with a little help from the Deep State? How many people can then be compromised and used by the IC Satan altar?
Just a couple of scenarios that come to mind. I’m sure there’s a bazillion more.
You can even get down to the individual level. Why wouldn’t a “contractor” sell 702 access to a Divorce Attorney? Or sell the answers to the SAT test? Or blackmail a wealthy person based on their search history???
It certainly is not all related to election. There would also be data concerning:
1. Biolabs funding
2. CIA/USAID operations
3. Blackmail information on thousands of UniParty Deep State functionaries
4. “Follow the money” kind of data on every single national security/foreign relations issue of the last 75 years
5. Bath House Barry’s factual origin story and the names of everyone who conspired to anoint him as president
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. We are indeed living in interesting times.
It needs to be explained how the elections are manipulated using the data …not getting it..
The database contains an electronic record of all electronic communications, transactions, etc. Included in that data are all electronic communications, transactions, etc. relating to election manipulation.
“If the database contains the digital records of elections, and if those digital records show manipulation of election data, then anyone accessing that massive library would represent a risk.
How many people in DC are in elected office as a result of election manipulation?”
oh how i hope this has already been done – accessed, copied, printed, stored
and ready for distribution to federal prosecutors in every appropriate jurisdiction.
that would be a great 250th birthday present to America!😁🇺🇸
If it’s not quite a secular Holy Grail, you’ve clearly explained how the NSA Library is the closet thing…or perhaps Pandora’s Box is the better analogy…and everyone ought to be profoundly frightened about what might be found inside…even as we know we need to know just how completely our government has been corrupted…how far back does it go? Dare we even look at that?
I say burn every data center to the ground that is unlawfully collecting Americans’ information
The NSA was named on November 4, 1952 by the Truman Administration. The origin of communications intelligence developed by the US extend back to World War I.
Some proportion (? how do we know how much? We can’t look inside it.) of the NSA ‘library’ as described by Sundance is foreign intelligence data.
We need to go at least 74 years back with respect to domestic intel that is in that library.
I’ll wish our Nation good luck on that. I won’t be holding my breath. But then again, as Rush talked about many times, what is ‘wishing’? What is ‘hoping’?
They are nothing, because they result in no action. So I retract the ‘I’ll wish…’ sentence above. But I still won’t hold my breath.
Forgot to include an interesting link. Take it for what it’s worth.
https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/early_history_nsa.pdf
Posted this yesterday as well. It is NOT 702 that violates my 4th amendment rights, its the fact that they seize all my stuff to begin with. It requires that I be secure in my “persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.” This is a GOD GIVEN right, not one bestowed upon me by any Gov’t.
I am NOT secure in my papers and effects! Blow up the whole thing (after busting the election thieves).
👉Exactly 100 percent 💯
As you say, “…the fact that they seize all my stuff to begin with”.👈
Could this be why President Trump is for a reauthorization of FISA 702? He knows that there is information about corrupt election practices contained in parts of the collected data?
Well, then let’s start finding out. This is the root of the evil that is the deep state.
What this suggests to me is, DNI Director Tulsi Gabbard’s position, her experience, research into these 702 queries, their abuse and misuse, as well as her timely retirement (her Husband’s illness aside). Makes her, IMO the A#1, Witness for the Prosecution . . .
Since RICO investigations, Evidence Gathering as well as Witness Preparation are, quite intensive efforts which require months. . .
I hope Ms Gabbard enjoys her summer reading suggestions. . .
ps: I hope PDJT and DoJ can get a serious grip on the 702 issues, they are at this point in time, a critical resource. . .
I have been praying for accountability. Not sure if or when it will happen.
Everything has a backdoor, multiple back doors. Everything you do is tracked and all of it is collected. The cloud is stored in government and commercial databases and likely in foreign databases as well. Your phone, your computer all your apps are spying on you. Your credit, debit and ATM cards too. Some 20 something kid with a high school diploma at NSA is looking at every picture, everything you wrote and everywhere you’ve been. But wait! It gets worse! Have you ever wondered how so many people are caught with kiddie porn on their computer? They can put it there, they can put tracks to it there, they can frame you. Evidence of other crimes too. But you use fake names on YouTube and Facebook!! LOL! But you signed in on the same computer that you used to send emails or E-bank with. It’s all interconnected. But don’t worry about the 2000 HUGE data centers they want to build. Ignore the fact that any commercial enterprise that tried to build something that was going to impact the environment that much would have to go through 10 years of red tape to be able to build. I’m sure it’s fine…
Tulsi retrieved the physical election data from Fulton. Did she also retrieve the electronic using 702 or are they willing to stop 702 to stop her from accessing that data?
If the ODNI needs the 702 to access the NSA database, this might explain President Trump pushing for a clean 702 reauthorization.
I pray that there is data that can prove election fraud.
I’m not seeing it.
For instance, I go to vote at a local school.
I fill in my ballot, I walk over to a box that scans and swallows it.
The machine tells me that I was the nth voter to use that box.
After the polls close there is counting and, from what I know locally, totals are entered into a spreadsheet, and are forwarded to the city or county clerk by usb drive or maybe some other means.
Where the physical ballots go, who knows.
Now insert some fraud at the local location, city or county clerk, or some level after that.
How is the NSA database going to tell you that?
No wonder Warner’s pants are on fire.
SD: The NSA database was in place long before FISA/702. What was the lockbox to access the data prior to FISA? It makes me believe that the NSA database (the seizure of my papers and effects) would continue even if 702 expired and the DS would just revert to whatever tool they used prior to FISA.
On order to open a fisa, it takes authorization. That leaves a trail.
IF IF I had the file of authorizations, how valuable is that?
Each time it is utilized, many data points are collected… before the actual “tap”…
I would be able to peer inside of strange places/// say, Perkins coie?
Or,,,,
Perhaps….
??
Admiral Roger’s knows this answer
There may come a point where in order to prevent these manipulations from occurring in the future, we put these treasonous perpetrators through the prosecution process fully knowing they will end up walking, but only to get the truth of things to publicly surface. The problem with that is that no one will be held accountable, & secondly, the judicial system would probably not allow the introduction & release of the data if we can’t lawfully illustrate how we located the evidence. We can’t just say “we saw it in the FISA database when I was searching for a phone call between an Egyptian official & the Georgia Secretary of State.” I believe you’d have to get a FISA judge to sign off on your specific search, & if it’s a domestic search, they would not approve it. Which is why I believe PDJT is so confident in fact that the elections were “rigged”, as he’s seen the proof, but being able to present that proof is the challenge.
How does election info get into the data library?
“How many people in DC are in elected office as a result of election manipulation?”
I’m game. I challenge the Acting or next DNI to prove/disprove this theory by targeting Warner as the subject of an investigation to prove/disprove the premise. Start with his most recent election and go in reverse chron from there.
In the meantime create a law, if necessary, whereby any fraudulently elected candidate is fully held responsible with fines/prison sentence set in stone bc the candidate defrauded the citizens and fraudulently took an oath.
If a conspiracy between the candidate and others can be proven, others are fined/jailed also.
I fully advocate proving/disproving the above-referenced theory.
I’m not a betting person, but if I were, I’d bet my limb in the Treehouse that this premise is accurate as applied to Warner and many cohorts.
Excellent article, Sundance! I’m embarrassed to say that I’ve never connected 702 surveillance with election data. I feel stupid for not connecting the dots.
If what you say is true, and I don’t doubt it for a second, this is a country changing event that could blow up any time now. Could Trump be talking about this when he says “we caught them” or “we have all we need”? If so, midterms may be VERY memorable indeed!
If data can’t be accessed, does it exist?
Thank you Sundance. Thank you.
My concern is not only fabricated and stolen elections, but we have seen what can happen to us when we have a hostile government. The government has ALL our personal and private information, which can and will be used against us. The collection of data is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Brilliant breakdown of the key issue underneath the whole architecture! Awesome!!!
To onfirm: FISA 702 of allows the U.S. government to collect foreign intelligence by targeting non-U.S. persons located outside the United States. … Significant for its role in national security. … If there is a suspicion that election ballot tallies were tampered with through communications that were transmitted outside of the US (which is highly likely) and among non-US service and equipment providers, then a “702 warrant” would be the vehicle to open the “proverbial ‘black-box'”. … Hence the demonrats want restrictions on 702 authorities or no 702 at all (“keep it all buried”) ?
If they are collecting “meta” data then they are getting it all. Not just the “to and from” but the entire conversation whether it be via text or voice. The collect the entire conversation. This is why people such as Nellie Ohr and others obtained their HAM radio license so they could send encrypted messages without being monitored. HAM can do text or voice as well. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2019/04/02/confirmed-nellie-ohr-lied-about-ham-radio-to-congress/
The truth is that the NSA database and data collection effort existed, in a more primitive form, long before the advent of FISA 702. Searching that database was a far more arduous task at the time but it was done. They combed and searched the database prior to FISA 702. What makes anyone think they will not continue to do so if FISA 702 is not reauthorized. Complying with FISA 702 is strictly a legal cover for “law abiding people” to use the data “legally”.
Open the doors!
I think the public wants to see