Late last night (midnight) the House members were called back to session in order to vote on a procedural rule to facilitate a negotiated FISA(702) extension. The advancement vote failed to pass the House (200-220) collapsing the bill, which is not a bad outcome all things considered.
House Republican leaders posted a compromise FISA amendment just before 11 p.m., and then called the House members to vote. The Amendment would have extended FISA (702) for five years and did include language that would have strengthened criminal penalties for misuse of the program, and some language that would have required warrants under certain circumstances.
However, there is strong opposition in the House to a FISA(702) extension that doesn’t contain a full warrant requirement when the FISA search targets, directly or indirectly, an American citizen. A rather eclectic group of Republicans including: Brian Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Andy Harris (Md.), Darin LaHood (Ill.), Thomas Massie (Ky.), Mariannette Miller-Meeks (Iowa), Zach Nunn (Iowa), Andy Ogles (Tenn.), Scott Perry (Pa.), John Rose (Tenn.), Keith Self (Texas), Mike Turner (Ohio) and Jeff Van Drew (N.J.) voted against the bill.
Leftists are voting against anything Trump supports, though there are some democrats who are consistent in their efforts to stop FISA (702) for many years. You can tell from the Republicans who opposed last night’s bill, that there is also a wide divergence of opinion on the issue.
My personal opinion is that most of the legislature, both parties, don’t have any honest understanding of how FISA (702) is used, has been used, and will likely continue to be used. While this effort at reauthorization may have failed, it’s not really a bad thing and more time for lawmakers to get educated on the core issue is always a good thing.
The root of the issue is the Fourth Amendment and ultimately the process that FISA (702) touches on, which is electronic surveillance.
The use of FISA (702) against a U.S. citizen has only been tested in one court case and that case wasn’t a great example {SEE HERE}. Only one case has ever pushed into the sphere of challenging this unconstitutional exploitation. A 2025 decision in the U.S. v. Hasbajrami case in Brooklyn, New York, where Eastern District Judge LaShann DeArcy Hall identified the misuse of FISA-702 “backdoor searches” regarding defendant, Agron Hasbajrami.
Politico has tried to make the FISA (702) reauthorization an issue of division between President Trump -who supports it- and Tulsi Gabbard who supports Trump’s decision. {LINK}
DNI Tulsi Gabbard appears to have just as many reservations as us about allowing the government to search an electronic database that contains our private papers and effects without a warrant. It is simply a Fourth Amendment concern.
At the same time, President Trump is told FISA (702) surveillance is critical for DHS, deportations, domestic terrorism intercepts and foreign intelligence use that relates to U.S. military application. All of which is likely true because the core of the FISA (702) search issue is warrantless real-time surveillance.
The collection of data, the database itself, as well as the search functioning therein, is part of the toolbox for FISA-702 surveillance.
The historic problem is not that “authorities granted under FISA-702” were/are used to conduct surveillance; but rather the search of the NSA collection database was done, illegally and frequently, for non-authorized reasons.
The capability to conduct those search queries is maintained by justifying the need for FISA-702.
The historic searches and domestic surveillance were done by exploiting the NSA database, for a reason and purpose that is not authorized and has nothing to do with FISA-702. THAT’S THE PROBLEM.
The existence of the U.S. citizen data itself creates the opportunity to search it. The legal justification to search that database is done under the auspices of FISA-702; however, that’s not the issue. The issue is that searches of the NSA database are done by government officials and government contractors for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with FISA-702.
As a consequence, it’s the collection that creates the problem. Not the legal process for searching it. As long as the database exists there will be unlawful intrusions into it for domestic and/or political surveillance.
If FISA-702 did not exist, the quasi-constitutional justification for the wholesale collection of U.S. citizen metadata no longer exists. It really is that simple.
There is ZERO justification for the capture of U.S. citizen data by the government. The capture itself violates the Fourth Amendment. The only way the government can justify the capture of U.S. Citizen data is if there is some quasi-constitutional or national security reason for it.
Take away “702”, and the data collection collapses; ANY “incidental” search of the database then loses any plausible legal justification. 702 is the camel’s nose under the tent.
If you remove FISA (702) from the toolbox you remove the legal authority to search the database when any American citizen data is involved.
It appears the House has given themselves two more weeks to continue trying to find a solution.

Pray
I truly believe that prayer with no action is not what Christians are called upon.
If you dispute me, please cite a Bible verse.
Why do people assume that the act of prayer is an end unto itself? It’s like complaining that a foundation holds no value absent the walls and roof.
God is the rock upon which the fate of humanity rests. Prayer is the foundation upon which solid walls can be built.
As long as the database exists there will be unlawful intrusions into it for domestic…….
exactly. whatever can be abused, will be abused. if you make a doomsday device, the psychos will make a line to push the button.
Whatever can be abused
Will be
The issue is it’s not schoolhouse rock anymore
Words matter
Ask. . . Corney
One cannot walk into Wells Fargo
And fire a board member
To stop a foreclosure on a Wells Fargo mortgage they pay every month for 20 years
Who are you
Where are you
What leverage do you posses
How do you use it ?
Jurisdiction
Is
Key
__________
What is being surveilled?
Who is surveilling it?
Is it a property?
A security?
Or
Data?
Is it data about movement?
Which court has jurisdiction?
If it’s verbal cell phone conversations about movement,
Is this different from emails. . .
About planned wire or SWIFT Transfers ?
Is it about a US Citizen or
an undocumented immigrant
Or. . . .
What if due to legal
And
Financial definitions
An undocumented immigrant
Was receiving
Social
Security. . .
From a US Citizen SS#
BEING ADMINISTRATED
IN A ZIP CODE
GOVERNED BY
SENATORS
____________
who has jurisdiction over the county
Chicago is in?
What district court presides over it
What FEDERAL Reserve DISTRICT
Is it in?
What collateral has been securitized?
Who controls that data?
What is that data worth
📫
After decades of watching C Span
And reading regulatory manuals
To engage in international banking
And
Commodities trading
I realize
Words matter
So does formatting as it slows the brain down
And forces changes in thinking
Corney shows you things
Comey won’t
The FISA hearings
Have some very specific language. . .
Legally and financially
Speak clearly.
Seek first to understand
Then be understood
Freedom of speech shall not be infringed
Feel free
To skip my posts
Its not that I don’t want to read them…I want to understand what you are saying. But if you want me to skip them, I will.
Understood,
Thank you
The issue is the public reads with Webster’s
And
The government writes in legalese and regulations
Both of which have their own diction
And
Dictionaries
When you see the text
Pause
Especially with. . .
That’s the clue that the word used
Has other private meanings
That’s how they hide the solutions
They tell you what they are doing
but
The public says
Yeah yeah yeah
I know
But they don’t
_____________
Per Sundance above:
“House to a FISA(702) extension that doesn’t contain a full warrant requirement when the FISA search targets, directly or indirectly, an
American citizen. . .”
“The use of FISA (702) against a
U.S. citizen. . .
has only been tested in one court case. . .”
”
DNI Tulsi Gabbard appears to have just as many reservations as us about allowing the government to search an
electronic database
that contains our private. . .
papers
and
effects
without a warrant.
It is simply a Fourth Amendment concern.”
________
Define by legal and regulatory definitions
American
US Citizen
Private
Papers
Effects
Then ask yourself;
” Does a US Citizen have 4th amendment rights? ”
This IS NOT SOVEREIGN CITIZEN GARBAGE
this is how one keeps the Republic
Operate Privately in ones affairs
And
Understand financial jurisdiction
Private Equity. . .
Wealth
Management. . .
Are not conspiracy theories
The Executor and Administrative Bodies
Have manuals
Go find them
_________
Be well
Do good
Live free
Have a great weekend
well done.
This is how AI speaks.
Sorry, I don’t speak AI, I speak English in real sentences.
I enjoyed your format . Made it easier to understand for some reason. Thank you
. . .
We can start & end with the simplest of things.
The collection of US citizens’ electronic data is Unconstitutional. Full Stop.
Not when they download an app
And
Grant permissions
Just a clarification: That’s how corporations do it. At this time, the government doesn’t need permission and vacuums everything.
You are misinformed on how the government gets it’s data
Yes, that’s exactly how corporations do it.
My name ended up on a “list” because I pissed off a corporate level supervisor. What they’ve done to me since is beyond the pale.
Most of it probably by AI, right??
You’re oblivious to the way the IC hoovers…
Maybe not. What is the right hand (IC) doing while we’re focused on the left hand (FISA 702 reauthorization)?
Our information is already out there for the taking, whether we like it or not. Our quibble is basically with who can see and act on it.
Example: The IC has access to a 5 eyes/ foreign bag of vacuumed US citizen info from various sources. In order to legitimize the IC acting on this previously vacuumed information they may seek FISA 702 “permissions.”
However, many Americans readily give away their permissions with every device they purchase, including software updates, apps they install and websites they may visit. To peruse the remaining info we haven’t yet shared with them, the IC simply announces a hack of our sensitive information, for which a software patch is sold to prevent *future* occurrences.
Rinse and repeat.
Quite the opposite actually
Snowden and Assange knew what was being done years and years ago. They were silenced.
Admiral Mike Rogers let Trump know before his first run for POTUS; it pushed him in the right direction only to get sidelined by the Uniparty.
Information can be used for good or evil purposes; just like drugs.
The CIA is the evil doers when it comes to information; both gathering and dispensing.
God help US
It’s hard to distinguish information from propaganda from the mouth of the CIA; it has a forked tongue and speaks for many different languages.
The CI@ may have 6 ways to Sunday but God made all seven days. He has this.
We just need to remember to look up to Him for the answers and not here with earthly answers. Gods will be done! 🙏🏽
Adam gave the dominion of the earth to Satan. Even Jesus reaffirmed it when Satan came to tempt Him after His 40-day fast.
There have been godly prayers going up since I was a child in the 50’s, people standing publicly against all kinds of evil, and yet almost nothing is stopped. Because this is Satan’s world, and no amount of prayer, action, etc. makes a bit of difference. That’s just reality.
Thank You!
I also would really like to understand!
We have to learn AI speaking. It’s like another language. About like reading a telegram didn’t seem like fully speaking, took some getting used to.
Morse Code, too.
Now AI speaking. It’s just a little off.
He’s AI speaking.
I am not AI speaking, you are making an uniformed assumption as to why complex information is distilled into outline or non traditional syntax
Haiku with a twist?
anyone lived in a pretty how town
(with up so floating many bells down)
spring summer autumn winter
he sang his didn’t he danced his did.
ee cummings
Not AI, entirely human. (1940) Prose with visible pause to provoke fresh thinking among ordinary words too often taken for granted. We all get stuck on stupid. We all need each other to get unstuck.
English is more like primordial mud than concrete.
@glissmeister
ee cummings is one of my favorites
pity this
busy monster man unkind
______
Prose with visible pause
To
Promote fresh thinking
Indeed
C-Span, especially after Brian Lamb left, is 100% useless. Even when he was there, in the early 1990s, they had two call-in lines Republican and Democrat, and they would field a call from someone claiming to be a lifelong Republican but wishing for socialized medicine.
Really?! A constitutional conservative asking for socialized medicine? Could someone have lied and called the Republican line pretending to be a Republican? …Bueller? …Bueller? …Bueller? Anyone?
C-Span is, and was, useless.
This is how the RINOs started infiltrating our ranks.
Trafficants floor speech that got him imprisoned
Was on C Span
Chris,
Please pardon me for a minute!
Your writing style is most definitely not normal and speaking as someone who is steadily losing their eyesight, I have a Dicking’s of a time trying to make heads or tails out what you are attempting to communicate. I am not sure if you write this way because this is the way you were taught in school or what.
In all probability I think that I agree with what you are possibly saying. It is just that sometimes I have to give up and move on to the next Comment.
Is there any chance on this earth that you would possibly consider the various members of the audience and their inabilities to fully understand the writing style of your comments?
If by any chance I have trespassed into an area where I should not be, then I beg of you to please pardon me!
I move on and don’t spend time when following a post that is confusing…bill
@ Nomen Nescio
Sincere Thanks for your input, I will absolutely meditate on this and adapt my message.
Be well
No doubt this data base has been used and abused since its inception. The IC has done this before FISA and the courts were designated as “legal surveillance” because of “national security”. More like protection of criminal activity by those with bad intentions. Expecting the “honor system” to be followed by those with no honor is a fool’s errand.
The fake issue about the data is that it was collected without humans seeing it. The point of AI is to do the seeing for the interested “consumers.” Government run AI isn’t about anything else. If the data collection source is shut off, watch how FAST the “AI boom” dies.
Thank you, Sundance, for the clear explanation and support of all American’s Fourth Amendment rights.
Seems like it is time for members of Congress to get with Sundance for a civics lesson..
Blessings to you, Sundance! 🙏🏻🙏🏻👊👊🇺🇸🇺🇸
The core of the issue is
American Civics
Are unrelated
To United States Commerce
Or
Securities and Exchanges
_________
District Courts have greater LEGAL power
Over
A States Commercial Contracts
Than a President
Unless or until
Americans start trying to see how the system has metastisized in this manner
Instead of arguing about the constitution
And school house rock
Nothing
Will
Change
Your chosen format is lets say very trying.
Carry on
There are hundreds of pages of regulatory code and house transcripts
Deciphered in this format
Your welcome
Your “Your” should be corrected to “You’re”. Improve yer English.
Yep. Makes it easy to spot when scrolling and skip right by. If it even said anything useful the format is ignorable after seeing the 2nd-3rd time.
I like the format, my brain follows it just fine, I’m as old as a rock…
@ Dee West
Birds of a feather. . .
Marinating
Vs
Spoon feeding
I find it curious
I’m trying to help expose the actual root of the FISA issue
Which Sundance has written volumes on
And so many are like;
“I’ll have the value kids meal please “
N other words, Sundance has already gotten to the root of this issue.
He has summerized the legal issues
The root
Is in the finance and securities
Thank You Chris. Well Said. Reminds how Insulting it is when I see someone breaking down complex issues for clarity and understanding only to met with one of the most insulting new acronyms being used in todays lexicon of so called online experts.
They simply start off with TL:DR and then go on to wildly pontificate on the subject disregarding the authors previous statement. Keep up the good work.
Sincere Thanks
I find it compelling
I am trying to expose corrective actions to serious issues
And i have either:
– insightful engagement
– format complaints by drive bys
Some people are part of the solution
Some arent
If you don’t want your kids to eat cookies, don’t stuff the cookie jar full of them.
The gross abuse of the search function is mind blowing in scope and scale. Forget lawfare/DS spying for a moment. How much of congressional insider trading is conducted based upon the NSA database capturing business comms?
Nancy Pelosi doesn’t have a natural talent for picking stocks.
What if. . .
Nancy Pelosi
Is the name of a TRUST
and Nancy is just little Debbie. . .
On the package
And Nancies Heirs, Assigns and Board members
Are the traders. . .
Reaping the profits
Stop watching the stage
Read the Play Bill
And credits. . .
For executive producers
And I don’t think she can hack anything to pick the stocks that make her millions either.
I’d accept a FISA extension, if it was bundled with SAVE America Act.
That’s one way to get something to pass, assuming that CONgress wants one and not the other. But what if CONgress wants neither bill to pass?
FISA should have never been passed… I hope it dies forever…
As to the “Save America Act”, it doesn’t address the fraudulent voting machine problem so it is nothing but “window dressing” in attempt to convince the public that something is being done to secure our elections…
I agree with both of your points. CONGress never should have authorized unconstitutional searches or passed the Patriot Act. The Save Act can be circumvented by computer software. CONgress can also change immigration status to render the “illegal” voter distinction moot.
However, the best way to kill the FISA 702 reauthorization is to pound every single UNiparty traitor over the head with it until *they* beg the Supreme Court for relief.
It’s not like the UNiparty has suddenly found itself a conscience or anything.
I’m not willing to trade anything. The unconstitutional opportunity goes away, SAVE or not.
I wouldn’t, because the states can resolve the voter ID issue, but they cannot abolish FISA.
@ JoAnn Leichiter
🏆
Those 50 laboratories of self determination are on a one legged stool. Alas if the judiciary were not so corrupted at state and federal level. Would the progressive communists have such sustaining impact?
Yet the states have NOT resloved the voter Id issue.
Not saying I think FISA should pass. Protecting citizens data (without a warrant) is of chief concern.
agree ….they just need to get a warrant and shut up
The states have NOT resolved it
Because the People
Have not held them to account. . .
Because
It’s more finance
Than law
The counties are the key
This is one of the issues I strongly disagree with PDJT47, but I am not about to start a podcast and declare his entire presidency a failure or under complete control of his billionaire buddies or (gasp!) Israel. I’m going to remain cautiously optimistic that he has good reason for his position.
Edit: What happened to not signing any bills until the SAVE Act hits his desk?
Have any bills been signed?
I halfway feel like President Trump specifically endorsed the FISA extension because he knew it would drive the congressional Democrats to oppose it with all their might.
They still hold it against Schumer that he let the Big Beautiful Bill pass. The rule for the Dems now is that nothing President Trump wants can pass.
If this succeeds in killing FISA, I really think President Trump should endorse breathing, just to get the Dems to stop.
This crossed my mind as well.
The “big beautiful bill” passed cause it had stuff the democrats wanted.
The FISA passes for same reason.
“Save America” cuts too deep in democrat votes.
And really, America is now a past thought. It waxes and wanes but freedom left the stage long time ago. Probably the moment a single profit was made on anything. A few beads sold to Indians. Now we kill the opposition.
This greed is our destruction. It’s taught and championed. It has destroyed our planet.
Every invention that can solve problems is destroyed so profit flows. Evil people rule and run our world. And for what?
“Sell all you have and give to the poor” that’s a cure not a mandate.
Jesus had it all, the riches man in history. He didn’t carry cards or cash. Anyone we know can feed 5000 with two fish and 3 loaves, whenever he wants? Pull coin from fish? Heal anyone. Gave it all and said you shall do greater than these.
I had similar thoughts, but I think that’s a bit too clever. What this does is give the neo confederate secessionists and their friends across the aisle a chance to crow about the success of bipartisanship “if Orange Man Bad would just get out of the way.”
That is exactly what I thought…
ROTFLMHO
This is President Trump at his best. Using reverse psychology. He knew the Dems would vote against and he exposed a long list of Rino’s in the process. Our defense and intelligence agencies have all the tools they need. FISA 702 isn’t needed. He is a genius.
Trump speaks in algorithms. I would love to see how the ingenious hyperbole and syntax translates into the major languages of the world.
The mullahs, our adversaries and the rules-based parasite class freak out with every Truth truthed.
5 Boroughs lingo for the win!
The same thing happened as what happened to “No taxes on Social Security”…
From what i’m seeing on social media, the never Trump Democrats against the 702 bill is working to our advantage. Conservatives and Treehousers have been saying this for years. Removing FISA (702) from the , “Toolbox”, is a good thing.
Suddenly CONgress is concerned about the FISA 702 searches they had already exempted themselves from? Hmm..
They wanted to hide behind the Save America Act but President Trump flushed them out by disconnecting the two bills.
I suspect CONgress will reauthorize these searches as soon as it suits them and their donors again, in much the same way that they will remove the filibuster immediately after Republicans deliberately throw the midterms.
These are really devious, sneaky criminals who have gotten away with everything, including election fraud, for many years. They are certainly not stupid, and those who installed them via election fraud are not stupid either.
I can’t imagine (donor or not) why anyone would want their private info stored for someone to abuse. Especially the big money people.
Don’t we give away our right to privacy every time we download an app – heck – every time we upgrade a software or phone. Does anyone really read or if they do, understand the small print of the legalize the company claims before we hit the button?
The biggest problem is blunt force bad faith process without immediate consequences. They have the data. They have the power. Somebody always will or complex commerce and government services becomes unsustainable.
Structure to punish this manner of wrongdoing needs a major rethink.
Those who advocate, aide or abet the misuse of these data or in any way breach their duty to protect same from misuse or fail to report such, would void and forfeit their pension/retirement and and other benefits in full.
Would the bad actors of the last 15 years been so willing under those rules?
There are outside threats to our nation – the logic behind FISA.
There are worse threats inside our nation – the logic against FISA.
The most important battle we face right now is, as Justice Thomas put it in his recent speech in Texas, against leftists and their administrative state warriors, who are inside the walls themselves and whose aim is communist revolution.
Hannibal intra portis.
The “logic behind FISA” is all lies… it was supposed to be used to counter outside threats, but instead is used against American Citizens…
FISA is the primary tool the dims/commies used to weaponize government against us…
Ask the right questions and follow the $
What is the answer for how to capture/track (surveillance) the foreign entity engaged electronically with a citizen?
Once you have the info- how do you “unsee” it?
Is it simply a “proper” and distinct authority, or is there no way to separate the two and still conduct “necessary” and appropriate intelligence?
The FISA court legitimizes warrantless surveillance of an American citizen. Its demise would not stop incidental surveillance if it were only in the immediate context of surveillance of a foreign actor.
Thank you, JoAnn 👍
You reminded me.
NSA existed long before 9/11 and has been collecting all data in the world for a very long time.
FISA was created after NSA and long before 9/11 as a way to legalize using this NSA data against Americans.
FISA 702 didn’t create, it only expanded and justifies further misuse.
Ending FISA 702 will not end what it didn’t create. Slow it down? Maybe.
Frankly, as long as agencies are willing to keep things secret from Presidents, Congress and Judges, nothing will ever succeed in protecting our rights. And as it is, all three collude to deny us our rights even when the agencies don’t keep it secret.
For instance, lets make a law that requires notification of American citizens within 1 year after their data was accessed. And that courts can order complete divulgement of what was learned, who accessed it and how it was used. That would be very useful in protecting from illegal search and in revealing the political targeting.
What good is any of that if the FBI can hide that information beyond the reach of all?
notification of American citizens within 1 year
So, on the 364th day since the search, the American is notified. What now?
What recourse does the American have about the event and the use of the data?
I think that is a little too late….the horse is out of the barn and the consequences are already realized, nullifying the 4th Amendment.
A possible case of: oops, our bad…so sorry!
Corruption indeed.
I am not saying it would be perfect, but right now nobody has to tell you anything. Your data can be used to build a criminal case against you and you don’t get to challenge it. Not even in court.
Thus giving judges the power to unveil it. You could even FOIA the abuse of your privacy.
As I wrote the above I was overwhelmed by the certainty that they would put in loopholes to prevent us learning anything. The might abuse my privacy because I talked with Omar, and they don’t want Omar to know that they are watching him. Those excuses would be used to defang things.
And I chose the 1 yr time frame because it gives them time, but prevents most prosecutions from being completed before you could learn about their abuses.
But it is all moot if Judges, agencies, etc collude against us (J6), or if agencies hide all abuses (Comey, Wray).
And more thought should go into it. But they are going to keep finding ways to abuse us however we get protections.
It’s actually more opposite. Yes, the NSA has existed since 1952. But they were not capable of or engaged in massive collecting of data until after 911.
FISA has been around since 1978. So it’s not specifically a FISA issue either, except that foreign intelligence data has always fallen under FISA. So when they expanded collection after 911 in the name of foreign intelligence, we end up basically where we are today.
NSA has claimed they can’t possibly filter the data at the source. The root of this claim is that they plug collectors into the major internet/telecom backbones. It’s kind of like drinking from a fire hose given the volume of data. So the claim has some truth to it but today there’s a lot more that could be done to filter at the source than there was in 2001. But they also use the fact that US citizens engage with foreign actors so you “need it all.” That one is harder to shoot down.
I don’t see this toothpaste (the collection) going back in the tube at this point.
It would be entirely possible in my estimation to fully audit and control all internal searches and have some sort of non-partisan review process, with actual legal penalties instead of FISA keeping it all in the FISA family and issuing their slap on the wrist “penalties” when audits show abuse.
If you’ve ever done DoD (DoW now) work, for example, you know that it’s nearly impossible to move any data you’re not allowed to move from point A to point B without triggers being activated. Same for trying to view data you don’t have clearance for. If you’ve ever worked for large financial entities and, to some extent, even health care entities with HIPAA protected data, same sort of deal. With FISA they’ve actually made laughable claims that tight auditing is not possible (at least in the past).
I should also note that FISA 702 was created in 2008. Before that, there was no real control after they started mass collecting in 2001. Bush had a program called Stellar Wind that was doing that. FISA 702 was supposed to rein it all in.
Whenever people in DC tell you they’re “reining in” something by creating a new program or new legislation, be very concerned …
And Obama removed all control by 2012 MOU’s that allowed contractors to ransack the database as well as preventing IG oversight of the DOJ-NSD.
1980’s the news was talking about NSA massive data collection.
5 eyes existed before the NSA, but we had news of sharing data in the early 70’s.
It has been out of the tube for a very long time.
Remember when the government went after porn but was embarrassed because so much porn was hosted on government computers?
The NSA can’t analyze it? But they can build massive data centers to store it all?
The government does and says things that don’t match up.
I do agree with Sundance though that Obama ramped up the abuse. Massively.
Agreed
Trust is compromised, to say the least.
If there was a way to make sure members of Congress, and their family and staff, are explicitly NOT exempt from the legislation that reauthorizes the FISCA(702) part, that might be a way to finally end it and clean up all the problems the entire Patriot Act created when the federal government took power the Constitution was never intended to to give it.
Why stop there? Let’s make it so Congress shall not exempt themselves, family, staff or government employees from ANY legislation. Remember the carve out they gave themselves with Obamacare? That would fix a lot of problems. It would take an amendment to do it though.
And the vax exemption.
🎯
Right on
That’s the ideal situation; might have to be one of those one step at a time then all at once things to get it through.
Get rid of the Freedom Act (formerly Patriot Act) altogether. I have yet to hear anyone defend it and show that it has kept us safe.
Why Are they exempt from so many legislative acts that THEY promote upon the people? Is that even logical?
It is perfectly logical given the fact these despots are installed via fraudulent elections and therefore have zero fear of losing their ill-gotten power.
That is, they were all cocky as hell until President Trump came along.
Yes!
People need to stop pretending that FISA-702 is going anywhere. Like it or not, as long as there is a federal government there will always be a “national security” reason to keep it.
Does this mean you think the government’s “need” outweighs the rights of We the People?
This nation was founded on the answer to that question: A RESOUNDING “NO!”
We have a righteous heritage that our individual liberties are granted by GOD, not another human and most certainly not a government.
I have considered FISA 702 an appalling breach of the 4th Amendment ever since its exception. It’s really the contemporary version of a Star Chamber and utterly repugnant (no matter how convenient or “necessary”).
Yes, JoAnn, it (FISA 702) is indeed an appalling breach of the 4th amendment.
On the Star Chamber issue, I have to say that I would welcome Star Chambers in every area with a rogue, judicial activist masquerading as a judge. If you had seen the movie, justice (appropriate or otherwise) is delivered to those who escape the system BECAUSE of the so-called judge setting the criminal free with no punishment. Vigilante justice is going to come to those areas where citizens have had it with criminals being set free to commit crimes over and over again. We read about it every single day.
Yes I agree; judges have ruined our legal system and society with their “let-em-go” attitude to reoffend…bill
English Court of Star Chamber: A Brief History
English Court of Star Chamber: A Brief History
FISA/702 is “unconstitutional on its face.” An explicit violation of the 4th Amendment, and simple proof of why that Amendment is there. Our Founders were worldly and wise.
It masquerades at “legality” by proposing a “court.” But the accused isn’t present, isn’t represented, and doesn’t even know that anything is happening. The “judge” can do no more than rubber stamp, because there is no “other side.” Every now and then, they become angry because they’ve been lied to – but what can(!) they expect?
The databases are irresistible, because they are there. The ultimate voyeur. Right down to geo-location. If someone wants to know which room in your house is your bedroom, they can find out. Anonymously. How many trillions of dollars a year does the government spend on “mass storage devices?” 🤔
I’m having an Indiana Jones moment. Who goes through that data? “Top … Men.” 🤡
All politicians, most federal government employees and their dogs, have access to your private data…
If you take a million points of data, and then selectively interpret portions of that data, you can come up with anything you want.
That selective viewpoint can diverge wildly from the accurate full picture of a person.
The selective application of government surveillance, against a target, ought to be outlawed because what we really see is the prosecutions mindset rather than the targets.
“We deemed the man’s conduct criminal, say the criminals.”
“Give me the man, and I’ll give you the crime.”
“Give me the man, and I’ll give you the crime.”
Yes, The FISA motto…
“Bring me the man, and I will show you the crime.” — Lavrenti Beria
I’d love to see the search terms made public, that might change a lot of minds.
If it is going to exist, it needs to exist in transparency and away from DC. Put oversight in the hands of the most liberty loving group you can think of, give them a bullhorn and locate them in Podunk Texas. Otherwise nuke it.
“My personal opinion is that most of the legislature, both parties, don’t have any honest understanding of how FISA (702) is used, has been used…”
Ain’t that the truth, I think it sums up pretty much everything. Our book of laws is too large, too many special interests doing smoke shows to get their solution codified. It’s all about money, protectionism or as my great co-worker says: Friends, Feelings and Empires guide all decision making in what he coined the trinity of management.
People that can have a deep understanding of the nuance do other things to make a living. The congressional staff hire minions, those minions network with people not knowing they have ulterior motives and get an agenda and position — the rep most likely knows nothing, is not an expert on anything other than socializing, smiling for cameras, be grinding donors (again people with an ulterior motive).
Those that do buck the system get ostracized.
seems like the republicans had a pretty good understanding of how FISA was being used when it targeted them. I recall recently that the GOP senate passed some bill that gave them hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars if the “government” spied on them…….
Good for thee but not for me?
Same type of problem in state legislatures. Making laws just to make laws. If not outright communism then tyranny of the “do gooder”. Which ends up being the same thing in the end.
Busybodies.
Make every instance of a search, public. They can still get the info, but the ‘who’ and the ‘why’ is in the public record. (Not necessarily the ‘what’ was found.) Either the search can be justified, or it won’t stand up to scrutiny by the public.
I’d change it to every instance of a search of a US Citizen public.
Ban all contractors from access to Data bases. Woods files must be thorough and reviewed by entire court.
just because Trump supports a reauthorization doesn’t mean we should. He gets lotsa advise from many people and many of those people have very bad intentions with their advise.
If it takes a bunch of roadapple republicans to stop this, it’s fine with me. FISA or no FISA, the domestic spying continues full-speed. I hope folks get that.
One of the saddest things about this is the msm’s total failure in bringing this truthfully to the public. Every day, every newscast, local & national.
But I dream…
” While this effort at reauthorization may have failed, it’s not really a bad thing and more time for lawmakers to get educated on the core issue is always a good thing.”
It would be swell to have BOTH the House and Senate attend a mandatory? lecture by a citizen authority on the core issues surrounding FISA 702. For that, I nominate Sundance as that citizen authority. The lecture(s) could be presented without his actual presence to protect his identity.
Seems that the pretending reality of domestic abuse of the FISA courts has come home to roost.
The non pretending reality that FISA(702)(etc) can reach into fraud and unethical activities of elected, appointed, civil service employees(staff and representation) and etc within the federal and state seats of governance.
Has finally drop the mike on these plastic people’s pretending game not to know the scope of FISA(702) abuse.
Not because of the abuse has finally revealed what is at stake to us plebs leading lives under a FISA microscope.
(sarcasm)Yah, folks I wake up every morning worried the govt is going to drag me into court over my midnight emails and phone calls.
Sure if I was doing something doggy maybe IRS would come knocking.
So, the mic drop is now more about how can the pretend game be maintained in light of the pretending can no longer maintain a straight face.
In keeping things focused, Senator Schiff is a Senator with that very unique distinction of being shown as a emperor without clothes.
The Senate can not ignore his ethical conduct and at the same time pretend that the DOJ is not moving forward on a criminal and civil referral that reveals conduct that began in his Congressional Office.
That is why the FISA(702) is now up in the air because someone came in and turned the lights on when FISA(702) crosses the Potomac into Legislative Pretend Land.
“Some-bo-dy’s wat-ching me!” 🎶
That songwriter had NO idea …!
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=6cd0372d1931dd859b9536b2109fae07687ec150010baff2d91c2ce9b9037234JmltdHM9MTc3NjM4NDAwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=3eb53115-ada8-69da-3dca-260dac5868ae&u=a1L3ZpZGVvcy9yaXZlcnZpZXcvcmVsYXRlZHZpZGVvP3E9c29tZWJvZHklMjdzK3dhdGNoaW5nK21lJiZtaWQ9QzVFNENEOTNEOERCMTM2QkQ1MDRDNUU0Q0Q5M0Q4REIxMzZCRDUwNCZjaHVybD1odHRwcyUzYSUyZiUyZnd3dy55b3V0dWJlLmNvbSUyZmNoYW5uZWwlMmZVQzd4cExrNkZ1V3JtdldzSE1vZEhhRGcmRk9STT1WQU1HWkM
I prefer for my government to spy on me the old fashioned way, with shoe leather, camouflage, tape recorders, and binoculars. It’s at least more sporting and human that way.
This automated E-surveillance monster all started to take off long before 9/11, back when the Internet took hold in the early 1990s, and even long before that, with the huge ATT central switching monoliths mass wiretapping all the copper signals in the 1960s.
The 2001 Reichstag Fire just supercharged it and set it to autopilot. Now they don’t even have to work to see what I’m typing here.
Chck
“The only way the government can justify the capture of U.S. Citizen data is if there is some quasi-constitutional or national security reason for it.”
I fail to find within the US Constitution a “national security reason” to violate any of the Bill of Rights amendments.
My first thought was that Ellison would be out of a job if 702 was forbidden by law at the Federal level. I don’t see our CONgress critters being as powerful as that man is. I would love to see him fall from grace however. It seems that if the databases only contained information on foreign threats/actors, it would be much smaller than it currently is, and no need for the massive data centers holding all our personal “papers”.
And then, moving forward, it would be glorious if it were illegal for ANY COMPANY to scoop up and retain “metadata” or any data on Americans. Who needs 702 if you can just hoover up every Americans’ keystrokes, preferences, and transactions? We have zero privacy at this time. The data is already out there. 702 just makes it more convenient for the government to access all of it.
Full steam ahead with the data centers. If we don’t wrestle this now, we are screwed.
– Expose the scale.
Un-redact Judge Collyer’s 99-page judicial finding written w Mike Rogers.
– Publicise the numbers of unauthorized searches on American citizens.
– Sundance omits his previous logical conclusion that people – contractors, CIA – are making millions, possibly more, off of exploring this DB.
The next two weeks are a blessing from God. It will take a miracle from Him to get rid of FISA 702.
Pray continually.
Definitely, PRAY! PRAY for the survival of our Nation as it was founded!
May The LORD’S Will be done…May The LORD continue to BLESS USA 🙏🙏🙏
I once asked a self proclaimed NSA officer to please point to the section of the Constitution that authorizes them to collect all US citizens’ electronic data.
He opened & then closed his mouth, spun around & walked away.
He knew that the collection is unconstitutional. They all know that it’s unconstitutional. Even the SCOTUS knows that the Constitution doesn’t bend for “national security” or laws passed by the Legislative Branch.
Throw it in the trash and leave it there. It’s a tool for tyrants to persecute innocent American citizens with.
Data collection. All data from all sources today is available on the internet. Public-facing and private-facing alike, all is collected on some computers somewhere, even if just passing through.
All internet activity, personal and work, is data on server somewhere. What’s on individual computers that’s ever been connected to the internet, capable of remote viewing. With or without user permission. Banking data, transactions. Store purchases, member card histories. Websites visited, how long on any given page. Data on car computers like location, speed history, climate/music controls. Anything and everything on cell phones, audio, video data, scroll, zoom data. Medical records, visits, veterinarian data, all professional services, hair salon visit, style, frequency data. All customer data for all businesses using the internet. Surveillance camera data at street intersections, license plate readers, toll road transponder data. Ring camera data canvassing entire neighborhoods data. Fitbit app data, all app data. Alexa always listening data. All government records data. Genealogy records, social media records, known associate/circles records.
Anything and everything that we do today in our day-to-day lives is captured as data that exists somewhere on some server as data. Even hiking in national parks where cameras are positioned, beach cameras, ski cameras showing conditions, data. Satellite cameras, data, zoomable to read license plates and hair styles, color faces from space. Building cameras atop skyscrapers pointed downward, data. Telescopes used by hobbyist astronomers that’s connected to skywatching apps, maybe trained across town instead of the sky, on buildings down the block, data.
It’s all data, nearly every nook and cranny of human existence now exists as data somewhere.
Snowdon revealed only a tiny glimpse of the types of data that’s accessible.
The relative comfort we have knowing that all of this data about all of existence today is that it’s so massive, contained on independent servers, there’s been no real way to do anything with it. To put together a profile on any one or group of individuals using all available data would take unfathomable amounts of dedicated searches, scraping of all servers and computers, routers, etc the data passes through and resides on.
Any privacy and anonymity we believe we have rests on the capacity and desire to focus resources on us by the surveillance state; it’s all there. And sheer numbers of us, amount of data, in different databases makes it useless. Until someone becomes a specified threat worth dedicating massive amounts of intelligence surveillance resources at an individual or small group of individuals.
Ever notice how many deranged criminals are described as “was on our radar” when they commit a horrific act? Because ALL of us are on their radar until we do something that gets their attention to focus on us. Post-facto “on their radar” in most cases.
That’s what we live with. Fine. Right? What if the resources necessary to search, seek, scan ALL data on everybody that exists anywhere and everywhere to make profiles on all of us in real time, perpetually existed?
What are AI Data Centers built out all over the country and world being designed to do? Just massive data repositories that will sit passively on the data until directed to search for patterns, targets of focused attention? Just for Walmart, Amazon to make Just-in-Time inventory more efficient? What are brand new nuclear power plants being built to power AI Data Centers for that’s important enough to toss safety concerns that idled and decommissioned them for four decades? Gets Bill Gates to declare “Climate Change” wasn’t that bad after all, time to tap that clean coal?
AI Data Centers are the resources necessary to take ALL of the data that exists everywhere always, real-time and make sense, patterns, profiles on every single one of us. Even without doing anything to earn focused resource attention. No commission of horrific crimes necessary. 330 million profiles possible in real time. Including location.
Movies like Minority Report, “pre-crime” units become reality.
With Larry Ellison and Oracle saying what they all know, that AI cameras and data analysis will make us all “behave.”
How tiny or large does 702 FISA renewal look in that real-life construct of what is being built around us?
Remove 702 and make it a 10-year prison sentence to violate Amendment 4.
separately, but importantly noting there is little distinctions, searching public open source and central secret police spy state has not limitations whatsoever, gaining surveillance data from private companies. NOR do the secret police state have to actually perform the surveillance directly. They can simply “refer the matter” to foreign five eyes (* and more), to do the hoovering for them.
none of this is covered under FISA. none of it is prohibited by any law.
clear eyes. whether FISA 702 is renewed or even canned, makes little difference in the bigger picture.
every single thing that you do that involves communication, transportation, banking/transactions is captured by the commercial and public industry. all of it. No NSA, no Jason Bourne involved.
the real problem I see is the great game of pretending that the central state can gain this information under NSL letters and even buy them directly or contract a private firm (palantir) and then pretend it’s not the same as a warrantless search.
know you know.
clear eyes
God Bless America
Thank you, Sundance!
“The advancement vote failed to pass the House (200-220) collapsing the bill, which is not a bad outcome all things considered.”
Just a brief comment. The U.S. Congress is dysfunctional, filled with the most disgusting, degenerate, assortment of criminals, sex perverts, and pathological liars inside the United States. What small amount of true public servants there are in Washington, DC are vastly outnumbered by the forementioned. It is a miracle from Almighty God that we are still a Country and still able to function and remain the greatest Nation in the History of the World. That is a good sign that He is not finished with us yet and has given us a leader that He is using as His instrument to accomplish His will for this Country, and the World. Comment not so brief after all.
“If FISA-702 did not exist, the quasi-constitutional justification for the wholesale collection of US citizen metadata no longer exists. It is really that simple.”
100%.
If PDJT is truly interested in plunging a wooden stake into the heart of the deep state, this would be an opportunity.
Given the established abuses of the system, no one could honestly blame him and a majority of Americans would cheer.
With all of the means available to collect this metadata, PDJT has a chance to establish himself as a true champion of civil liberties.
Drive a STAKE through its heart….KILL IT!
If it’s bad now, wait until in order to “protect the children” we all have to install an app to use the internet. Of course, the personal info the app collects would never be searched, right?
Have you been following the global push for age verification for every operating system and electronic device? “it’s only age?” Nah. To have age, other details have to go with it, otherwise, how could a number be verified?
Willful ignorance. They know how it’s used. Many want to benefit from it, many more fear it and the people who use it in the dark. They have “some idea” but they know what the like to know — it’s power; they want it for their side and do not want the other side to have it.
We are not getting – and never have – the true story on FISA. I am certain that there must be an ABSOLUTELY UNIMPEACHABLE source of intelligence that we have access to due to FISA. I’m guessing it’s something akin to TOP SECRET ULTRA from the days of World War II. At first Trump, Gabbard and a host of other people who were not cleared for it opposed the continuation of FISA. Then, once they were read into it, they understood the source and the content that it provides, and now have seen the light.
SOLD OUT AT 2AM – Part 1
Part 1 is a Forensic Investigation into 9 of the members who voted to continue spying on us without a warrant. These 9 I have deemed as “Tier 1” based on an initial investigation across all members.
Leah
APR 17, 2026
“….This investigation focuses on nine of those 197 members. Not because the other 188 are clean. But because these nine have the most documented financial conflicts, the deepest ties to the industries that profit from surveillance, and the most red flags in their personal, professional, and financial histories. They are the ones who had the most to gain from voting yes, and the most to hide.
What follows is a forensic accounting of their money, their LLCs, their donors, their scandals, and the patterns that connect them. Every fact in this report is sourced from public records: FEC filings, congressional financial disclosures, IRS Form 990s, state business registries, court records, and investigative journalism. Nothing here is hidden.
It just hasn’t been assembled in one place before.
Until now….”
https://theleahfiles.substack.com/p/sold-out-at-2am-part-1
They ‘effin better not reauthorize it. My patience is wearing very thin.
There is ZERO justification for the capture of U.S. citizen data by the government. The capture itself violates the Fourth Amendment. The only way the government can justify the capture of U.S. Citizen data is if there is some quasi-constitutional or national security reason for it.
Says it all…
Sundance, please offer a “text wrap” feature for blogs like this one. Thank you.