It’s around lunchtime and I’ve spent so much time deep in the weeds of an issue that I need a break. So, here’s a little funny story from my real-world travels in the past few years that given the current Davos meeting topics you might find interesting.
I went to Russia in 2024, because what I was hearing in western media about the sanctions did not align with what I was seeing from reports inside Russia. Before I went into Russia, I spent several weeks in Northern and Eastern Europe visiting various institutions, reading material and checking to see how systems in Europe were engaging with commerce given the Russian sanctions. It wasn’t very exciting work, and sometimes I literally just sat in the lobbies of banks listening to conversations.
When I went into Russia (April, May, June and July ’24) I noticed many of the “Uber cars” were BYD brand, Chinese electric vehicles. It made sense given two years of existing sanctions and few cars from Europe or America available except under costly brokerage fees for acquisition. They like the Geely brand better, but BYDs are much cheaper. A brand new BYD costs around $5,000 to $10,000 USD, in some places even less.
Then later I noticed even more of these BYD cars in Europe. I started to pay attention to them and saw them everywhere.
When I went back into Russia a year later in 2025, there was a very noticeable increase in BYD cars. It was crazy, they were everywhere.
My travels also took me to southeast Asia and again those damned BYD’s were all over the place. In Thailand, Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, these BYD’s were everywhere, maybe even 30% of total vehicle traffic at times – most certainly well over 50% of all EVs – and there are digital billboards for “Build Your Dream” (BYD) all over the place throughout Asia.
Australia is stocked full of those things, and the middle east, yup, even there too. It became increasingly weird to notice. So many were visible I was wondering how the heck China can mass produce and ship this many cheap EVs so fast.
Then as serendipity would have it, I ran into a Chinese guy, professionally an actuary, in a hotel restaurant. He explained to me that China produces the BYD not to make money from the automobile, but rather to sell the carbon credits the automobile generates within the auto industry.
The actual value to Beijing is in selling the carbon credit worthiness to various automakers who are fined or penalized by their government for producing gasoline powered vehicles.
BYD is, in essence, not a car per se’, but a mechanism to generate a carbon credit certificate that can be sold to other car companies. It’s the carbon credit certificate that generates the revenue, not the sale of the vehicle. As my dinner guest explained, the auto insurance industry was having fits about this because the actuaries couldn’t accurately put a correct figure on the cost of the insurance warrantee within the industry (that’s another story).
The bottom line is that China is manufacturing a product to create a carbon credit certificate in response to the demand for carbon credits from all the world auto-makers. Any nation that has a penalty or fine attached to their climate goals is a customer. Those are nations with fines or quotas associated with the production of gasoline powered engines if the auto company doesn’t hit the legislated target for sales of electric vehicles.
In essence, EU/AU/CA/RU/ASEAN car companies buy Chinese car company carbon credits, to avoid the EU/AU/CA/RU/ASEAN fines. The Chinese then use the carbon credit revenue to subsidize even lower priced Chinese EVs to the EU/AU/CA/RU/ASEAN car markets, thereby undercutting the EU/AU/CA/RU/ASEAN car companies that also produce EVs.
Big Panda brilliantly exploits the ridiculous pontificating climate scam and has an interest in perpetuating -even emphasizing- the need for the EU/AU/RU/ASEAN countries to keep pushing their climate agenda. China even goes so far as to fund alarmism research about climate change because they are making money selling carbon credit certificates on the back end of the scam to the western fear mongers. This is friggin’ brilliant.
My dinner buddy was in the business of identifying the cost/benefit equation between the climate change fines and the prices Big Panda could charge for the carbon credit certificates. If, as an example, Brussels dropped the quotas for EVs, China would need to lower the price for the carbon credit certificates. So, Beijing wants Brussels to make sure they don’t drop the quotas. See how that works?
The climate change alarmists are helping China’s economy by pushing ever escalating fear of climate change. You just cannot make this stuff up.
What does the outcome look like?
Well, in this example we see thousands of unsold BYDs piling up in countries that emphasize climate regulations with no restrictions on the import of EVs (which most don’t even manufacture), which is almost every country. Big Panda doesn’t care about the car itself; they care about generating the carbon credit certificate to sell in the various carbon exchanges.
Put this context to the recent announcement by Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney about his new trade deal with China to accept 49,000 EVs this year.
Prime Minister Carney bragged about getting the Chinese to agree to only super low prices for the Canadian market. Mark Carney was very proud of his accomplishment to get much lower priced vehicles for Canadian EV purchasers. No doubt Big Panda left the room laughing as soon as Carney made his grand announcement.
1. China sells EV’s in Canada, creating credits available on the carbon exchange scheme. Europe et al will purchase the carbon credits because Bussels has fines against EU car companies.
2. With a foothold already established in Europe, China will then take the money generated by the carbon credit purchases and lower the prices of the Chinese EV cars sold in Canada.
It’s gets funnier.
3. Carney bragged about forcing China to only sell low price EV’s as part of the trade agreement. The low price of the EV’s in Canada will be subsidized by Europe. China doesn’t pay or lose a dime.
But wait….
4. Carney can’t do anything about the scheme he has just enmeshed Canada into, because Canada has a Carbon Credit exchange in law. 😂🤣😂
Big Panda wins again.
[…] In a statement published Thursday, BYD said sales of its battery-powered cars rose nearly 28% to 2.26 million units.
Musk openly laughed at the mention of BYD while being interviewed on Bloomberg TV in October 2011. He said he did not see the company as a competitor to Tesla, adding: “I don’t think they have a great product.” Meanwhile, Tesla said Friday it delivered 1.64 million vehicles in 2025. [SOURCE]
Elon thinks BYD are building cars. They aren’t.
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Thank you!
Try expanding your vocabulary!!!!!
Thank you, Sundance!
Donald Trump is the little boy who was the only one at the parade with a lick of sense.
“Look! 👀 The emperor isn’t wearing any clothes!”
The rest of the crowd were the village idiots.
Our president daily calls out the 🐂 💩.
Neither the domestic or global idiots appreciate his candor.
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It sounds like BYD’s are lower priced than they should be. In other words, China is “dumping” these on the world at a price lower than likely manufacturing cost, to play games with the carbon credits.
I thought selling products under cost, dumping, is illegal. Sounds like PDJT needs to find a way to destroy the carbon credit scam industry.
The very simple and obvious reality is that “carbon credits” are nothing but(!) “a scam!”
However, they have become an extremely lucrative one. If you’re wondering where “green” turns into “money?” Here it is. And that is precisely why you today hear anything at all about “green!” The actual color is on currency.
whoever thought you could monetize stupid? these people should be put down.
Stupid has been monetized since money was invented.
I believe it was PT Barnum.
Even if your theory was narrowed to exclude direct government spending (what is ‘redistribution’ but subsidy?), it would make government subsidies illegal.
But the ones that benefit vested interests at the expense of the nation (e.g., ethanol mandates) provide kickbacks.
And more than a few (e.g., public schools) have popular support even though private alternatives would work better.
It might be a good idea, so I wish it luck, but I won’t expect much.
Second objection: never demand a government DO SOMETHING! without specifying DO NOT MAKE THINGS WORSE!
I can’t find the cartoon, but there’s one with 3 ladies in a prison: one for selling at too high a profit “in for price gouging”, one for too low “in for dumping”, one for selling at the same as everybody else “in for collusion”.
You really really really do not want government bureaucrats setting prices (unless you want to destroy the economy).
Yessir Jack the gubbermint is good at 2 things Killing People and spending money.
Keep in mind .. China Inc. was admitted to and is still treated by the WTO and World Bank as a “Developing Nation”.
Dumping is not a crime for “developing nations” trying to establish their economies.
They are a classic Loss Leader: “Give away the razor and sell the blades” or in this case give away the car and sell the carbon credits.
Fun light read. Carney is an idiot. How do you say that in French? Curious of the Professor’s new project. Can’t wait.
“Carney is Canadian”?
They are not just making money on the carbon credits in the countries with climate hysteria, they also have a lock on the wind generation and the solar panel markets as well!
I’m listening to ads on my local conservative radio extolling the virtues of solar and saying that it preserves farmland………..FTW???
I agree, Cottontail.
Lots of former agricultural acreage around me converted to solar panel farms.
Can’t even grow the corn anymore that they used to sell to the (heavily subsidized) ethanol producers.
What a joke!
I guess radio shows will push anything for commercial $.
Wow what an amazing panda scam after another
Kinda puts the Somalis to shame, no???
health care and education put them all to shame. there is no legalized grift as lucrative as US health care.
Wow! Hard to believe those national leaders can be that stupid. In the early days of China flooding markets with total junk, the term
“K-Mart Fall Apart” was the description of just crap being sold at then big US retailers like K-Mart. The current ignorance displayed in the EV carbon credit BS, isn’t that much different then Big Panda did 40 yrs ago with total junk sold in US retail outlets. That was the start of the US destroying America manufacturing. Same Chinese game, different product. Carbon Credits is a total scam many US states bought into and are still trying to enforce.
you could sell a liberal his own thumb up his ass.
They just prioritize what they understand in personal and short term gains. The CCP as it is, is comprised of highly educated but unskilled people. The political class in every first world country is similarly useless.
Expecting them to make smart choices “for their country” will never ever occur to them. They want power to gain wealth and comfort. That’s it.
Proverbs 15:21 NKJV
Folly is joy to him who is destitute of discernment, But a man of understanding walks uprightly.
Exactly! Excellent verse! Thank you!
Political leaders in western countries are mostly attempting to destroy the nation and people they supposedly are interested in leading / protecting.
The BYD economics lesson most fundamentally reiterates: i) “follow the money” if you want to understand an industry / market; and ii) every politician’s “sin tax” is an “entrepreneur’s” windfall opportunity.
[https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs4751/files/downloads/WorkingPapers/GW%20Reg%20Studies%20-%20Bootleggers%20and%20Baptitsts%20Working%20Paper%20-%20SDudley.pdf]
It once was understood (or as capitalism would have as a goal) that one must have a deep understanding of how “incentives” work; and that understanding cannot be had if you do not consider the entirety of those (directly and indirectly) benefiting from a transaction.
Readers might also want to consider the BYD auto sales to foreign markets exports a future environmental cost; disposal and remediation of the destruction cause by these vehicles and the intrinsic toxic lithium and other non bio-degradable materials; as well, the fire hazard which the expended lithium will present for decades (if not centuries; might as well start randomly burying anti-personnel mines).
The stupidity of not considering “life-cycle” costs of basically all products has long been known to governments and industries such as defense and nuclear. … But, not environmentalists, politicians, et al – straws, paper (or is it plastic) bags, … are hazardous materials. Toxic elements/material, long-chain pharmaceuticals, depleted uranium, … don’t concern environmentalists.
Not to mention asbestos in brake linings which were found in Chinese made Chery cars in Australia
Yeah western leaders are trying to destroy their own countries, but I contend that they’re too stupidly narrow-minded to see all the underhanded ways it’s being done, and that it will destroy almost everything they value in the lives they have now.
That’s a really nice 3D model! Uncomfortably “telling.”
AI is creepy…
In Davos, Trump mentioned seeing the “windmills” all over Europe which are sold to them by China…funny thing is that you don’t see windmills in China! China profits by their stupidity.
Yes, China has a vast number of wind turbines, contrary to claims that it does not use wind power.
As of June 2024, China had 129 offshore wind farms, more than any other country in the world.
It is the global leader in wind energy, with over 561 gigawatts (GW) of total wind generation capacity, which accounts for about 16% of its electricity production.
AI answer.
Are you really going to take that AI answer as factual on it’s face?
I follow energy issues. Every source says China has wind farms. Go do a search.
I’d say R.F.’s real point is to search beyond AI for some non-Artificial answers.
AI is a liar
Panda pilfered this scheme from creative businessmen in marshy coastal states.
Same exact business model/concept has been going on for more than 20 years regarding, Wetland Credits.
I am sure there are other environmental darlings it has been used for.
The very first climate credit exchanges, where credits were to be bought & sold & a handsome commission made for the exchange on each, were created & owned by …. Albert Gore, Jr..
The entire scheme … Book, tours, exchange, ad nauseum, for $$$!
Tennessee ownes that excrement.
“…………….were created & owned by …. Albert Gore, Jr..”
I can not, for the life of me, imagine Albert Gore Jr. as ever being even remotely clever enough to create such exchanges. Rather, I see it as some very clever, powerful, and manipulative individuals outside of the public’s view as being the ones employing Gore as the Useful Idiot Front Man to market their schemes.
But he invented the Internet! And the ballpoint pen!
Those ‘wetland’ credits are used in the arid western US too. Any little puddle can be a wetland for credit or an inland waterway manged by the evil EPA.
Last year I was in Joburg and Cape Town SA.
Those things were everywhere. I think every fourth car I saw was a Chinese EV.
The guy I know there told me people buy them because the cost is so low compared to BMW and Mercedes.
He told me no company can compete.
It is monopolistic behavior. China truly is the world’s bully.
This “carbon credit” farce needs to be stopped. Total bullshit. If the powers-that-be who are pushing the climate change crap were genuinely interested in the climate, there would be no “credits”, only results. IMHO, it’s all a load of nonsense.
What happens if the car companies don’t pay the carbon credits? Are they banned from selling cars? This seems crazy to me and who enforces it? EU?
It’s a load of nonsense but comical to non participants.
Climate Change might change life in the EU as they know it but not for any weather related reason.
Agree. Any truly interested party- EU countries et al who govern in carbon credits just need to visit China and take a good whiff of the air which should be a good indicator of the climate change scam they are exploiting. Been to Shanghai and exiting the plane was an ‘in your face’ gaging experience – no joke.
“In essence, EU/AU/CA/RU/ASEAN car companies buy Chinese car company carbon credits, to avoid the EU/AU/CA/RU/ASEAN fines. ”
CA= Canada or California?
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/cap-and-invest-program
Nice scam. You face “fines” unless you buy financial instruments that don’t actually affect “the environment” at all. Wonder just how many people are cashing in on that revenue stream?
You can’t call the Chinese stupid that’s for sure.
Think of all resources used to over produce batteries and even then to dispose of them when used up.
China is the lead designer of the climate scam.
Are they the lead designer of the climate scam, or simply the ones who have exploited it for the greatest financial gain?
“ Big Panda brilliantly exploits the ridiculous pontificating climate scam ”
Man! You’d think even the loyalist climate whackos would understand how absurd they are! 🤪
BYD does not meet US standards and have a 100 % tarrif on them. 15 states have Carbon trading.
If a Demoncrat is elected in 28 I imagine they will try to get BYD in our market.
Just one more reason to keep voting MAGA.
And all the while, China is the biggest creator of CO2 on the planet. Ain’t that a kick in the head.
This article activated 🛎️ 🔔 and whistles! 🚧
Someone sent me info on Technocracy.
With remarks….watch China. I did a little research.
In one of the articles I read during research, it stated China
was the beta test- the ground zero to watch. The World would
initially be divided into Zones.
China…
Free Speech curtailed ✅
Surveillance✅
Social/energy credits ✅
Promote/ use digital payment ✅
Promote/ use technology to control everything/everyone ✅
What are issues we in the US fighting against?
Any of the ✅above? 🤔
What are/were the intentions of the Technocrats they
stated they would control? Hint: all of the above.
What two factions are we watching closely in our
political sphere….Techno Bros and Sea Island.
The mention-use of the term….energy credits is nothing new!
The Technocracy movement began around 1919, gaining momentum
during the Great Depression in the 30s.
Those early teen years in our history are the fulcrum of events today.
Recycled and updated.
Does Elon know…. I would say-Yes!
His grandfather was part of the movement!
I keep thinking…nah…just a coincidence…but I don’t believe
in them. 😖A conspiracy theory type deal…maybe..🤷♀️
But good grief…🧩🧩keep lining up!
Anyone ever read about Mao? Look at a map.
Read about the 1911 Revolution…and the International
movement that was happening at the turn of the century…
those “teen years “. ☺️
His theories, which he advocated as a Chinese adaptation
of Marxism-Leninism (Bolshevik), are known as Maoism.
It appears to all be connected……
Love those new Chinese EV models!
The Molotov Cocktail
The Flame-O coupe
The Fireball CCP
They’re cheap because the airbags don’t work and they tend to go up in flames for no reason.
To paraphrase Ralph Nader, Unsafe in any garage.
Probably not fast enough to legitimately be called Greased Lightning, but I’m sure they earn that moniker by exploding in the garage.
China is building carbon credits. Wow!
can these people really be this stupid? the scheme seems like something devised by a chinese con man. but it wasnt. they deviswd it themswlves and the cjinese just took advantage of it. Idiots!
No words. Just shaking my head.
It’s ridiculous. Are the people making these decisions on the EU side all stupid. China buys and sells the carbon credits while blowing carbon up their asses.
China doesn’t care about the western world’s climate commitments.
The elites live in a bubble. Idiots.
https://www.cfr.org/articles/chinas-latest-climate-pledges-fall-short-whats-needed-cop30
BYD stands for ‘Burn You Down’. They are notorious fire traps.
Search YT for ‘BYD car fire’. Monitor ‘China Observer’, ‘China Unfiltered’, ‘Serpentza’, ‘China In Focus’, ‘Car Coach Reports’ ‘Digging For China’ or other YT channels which detail issues in and about China.
If by chance you ride in a BYD anywhere, make sure to keep one door open for escape
Trump At Davos: ‘The More Windmills A Country Has, The More Money That Country Loses’
Wind energy company kills 150 eagles in US, pleads guilty
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/04/06/wind-energy-company-kills-eagles/
“A subsidiary of one of the largest U.S. providers of renewable energy pleaded guilty to criminal charges and was ordered to pay over $8 million in fines and restitution after at least 150 eagles were killed at its wind farms in eight states, federal prosecutors said Wednesday.”
$8 million total?! Should be at least a million per eagle.
Right you are, except even a million dollars per eagle is not nearly enough because it won’t make a dent in the lucrative industry. Nor would it bring back to life a single one of the dead birds.
There is a lake of fire in which all those who serve Mammon will burn.
I wonder if the interest in BYD in Russia is more for the actual cost of the vehicle rather than any climate agenda. I don’t think that Russia adheres very much to the green agenda. Their climate doctrines indicates that they will achieve about 10% production of renewable energy by 2050. Right now it’s about about 1%. They are heavily invested in fossil fuel.
Russia is likely smart enough to differentiate between “air quality and pollution control” vs the “new green agenda”.
Then there is the attractiveness of an EV being used for relatively “short range” and “low speed” applications such as Ubers and for those having the means to purchase a vehicle for “local use”.
A note on Elon Musk before laughing too much at the lines ending Sundance’s Article … Elon Musk gladly TOOK Millions in US Department of Energy Grants for alternative Power Technology Development being doled out like candy by the Obama Administration, in 2009-2010.
Elon took that cash to CHINA to develop the core energy related parts of those EV’s being sold by China Inc. as well as for elements of the Alternative Energy Sources all the green new deal nations are erecting. Elon is getting a kick back with China Inc. EV car that is sold … on top of the kick backs for the alternative generation and batteries IMPORTED from China Inc. by the same carbon credit nations and the US.
Yuk it up over Elon’s comments all you want but he is laughing the whole way to the bank.
Very plausible.
The panda is an animal that doesn’t deserve to live.
It forked away from all other bears long long ago and for reasons not understood, adapted itself to eating bamboo shoots. There is precious little nutritional value in it and the plant itself is actually poisonous to the panda. It has adapted to the poisonous plant by learning to eat only specific parts of the plant which are the least toxic.
It rolls and tumbles about often and it’s very cute to humans but the reason is to preserve the calories of consumes. And one of the main contributing reasons it has a low reproduction rate is the lack of calories in its diet… “mating” requires a lot of effort… not only to meet/find a mate, but to actually do it.
It simply doesn’t deserve to continue.
Looking for an analogy with China? OK!
China has a lot of resources and a lot of human power. Also a lot of IQ power. So why aren’t they actually out-competing the world outright? The CCP ruling class are unskilled people who didn’t earn their power and due to lack of practical productive experience, it cannot lead a nation to being productive. The best they can do is command their space population to make things that look impressive but like S.Africa, they have a propensity to punish and even kill their most talented and knowledgeable people to prevent them from rising up to take the CCP’s power from them.
Made this comment in answer to another’s question about this practice of selling under valued EV’s as dumping … which is illegal in many nations and on the world stage.
Keep in mind .. China Inc. was admitted to and is still treated by the WTO and World Bank as a “Developing Nation”.
Dumping is not a crime for “developing nations” trying to establish their economies.
The reportedly second largest economy in the world is still a developing country? What a whopper. Easier to buy the label from the WTO and World Bank as they have a vested interest in selling the status.
Contrast that with details coming out of late that China may have been over counting it’s population by some nine figures for the last couple decades. That changes a lot of economics numbers.
This is pretty rich. 🤑 Angry Irrelevant Panda
“ The Chinese Embassy in US has posted this video from its official account. LMAO!”
Hope those cheap Chinese batteries work for you in Canadian winters, suckers.
Sundance excellent explanation, but my thought is China doesn’t only work for carbon credits imo. I surmise that China tracks, records and spies on every person driving BYD’s. So somewhere embedded equipment that records their discussion, where they went, who they are and live and more. There must have embedded devices that can scoop up everything about them. China is interested in controlling, tracking and punishing their own citizens. Believe me this very theory is more likely than not. Remember their embedded trackers etc in our military equipment? The info on the citizens of every country importing themis probably more powerful than CC. Two birds with one stone!
And since most of these countries dont approve of free speech, the country leaders let it occur and china tracks their citizen.
Nothing is beyond their imagination from what we learned from the hoaxs of us gov against Trump.
That’s what first came to my mind. China’s been doing that for years. What was it a few years ago, phone charging cables?
Does everyone at least have one of those spy cam detectors? Sweep your homes and vehicles and don’t forget to use it when traveling.
Carbon credits are wondrous things!
Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos buy lots of them so they can travel everywhere on private jets. Other filthy rich, (but, they claim, not filthy), like David Geffin can buy carbon credits so they can sail the rising sea levels on yachts like his German-built Rising Sun, that produce carbon footprints bigger than some cities.
But not to worry, because my AI assist on DuckDuckGo informs me that “buying carbon credits for their yachts and jets helps them (the super rich) demonstrate a commitment to sustainability and reduce their environmental impact while enjoying their cruising and flying experiences. “
Isn’t that nice?
Big Panda wins again.
Carney is a significant investor in carbon credits and is poised to make millions on this deal, maybe 10s or 100s of millions personally. He knows what he’s doing.
We all will drive BYD’s in 10 years time thanks to the Paris agreement over carbon emmissions. China will hold the monopoly because they are essentially buying out the car companies through carbon credits to be able to sell their cars cheap. If the Paris agreement holds there will be no more gas powered cars in ten years time because they reduce the carbon emmisions every year. BYD will not be so cheap anymore in the future.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Carney is as dumb as a rock.
I wonder if such purchase shenanagens were part of Trump’s blunt speech to Europe at Davos to start living in the real world again.
(as per Dr. Pippa Malmgren)
@Osint613
3h
A new European social media platform called W, which launched privately in Davos, aims to compete with X by requiring mandatory human verification to curb bots and disinformation. It has drawn backing primarily from left leaning members of the European Parliament, who are urging the European Union to provide public funding for the project.
https://nitter.poast.org/Osint613/status/2014453102426935748#m
Thank you again, Sundance!
Somewhere I read an article that those Chinese EV’s also collect data, from the passengers, the towns the vehicles drive through and then transmit that information back to China, a stealth surveillance program.
Wonder if that’s true, the EV version of the Chinese balloons that flew over the US during the auto-pen years.
Canada, explicitly involved not only in the fentanyl trade that kills so many Americans – but also in the money laundering trade…
Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway was an early investor in BYD, initially buying a 10% stake in 2008.
They sold off their entire stake down to zero as of March 2025 (after PDJT’s reelection.) Reportedly they made a 20X return on their investment.
Buffet also put big investments in Chevron and Occidental Petroleum, both of which are investing in “Carbon Capture” technologies. (Another carbon credits-farming play.)
Fascinating. Perhaps you should have a word with Elon. His bright mind will see this quickly and ratchet up reactions broadly.
A game of Poker ensues, hmm
I get pushback when I say this, but EVs are better than ICE cars in many ways. Would you want these features in your next car?
EVs are not all that different from gas cars. After getting used to the difference in managing a battery compared to managing a gas tank, owners report they watch the gauge and charge when the battery is low. An EV battery is huge compared to any other battery you own. You are unlikely to have experience with a battery that large, but it is easy to learn.