Before getting to the details as released for media consumption, three facets deserve emphasis.
(1) The primary objective of Ukraine/EU has been a publicity campaign to retain influence and support. (2) U.S. Emissaries Witkoff and Kushner are silent on the announced negotiated result. (3) Ukraine’s lead negotiator Rustem Umerov notes, “There is a lot of noise and anonymous speculation in the media right now. Please don’t fall for rumors and provocations. The American team led by Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are working extremely constructively to help Ukraine find a way to a peace agreement that lasts.”
I would overlay that within the weeks of discussions it is easy to spot distance between Umerov and Zelenskyy, specifically as it pertains to the influence of the EU Leadership group. Meaning, Zelenskyy is a puppet for the EU team, whereas Umerov appears more pragmatic and seemingly more focused on the interests of Ukraine.
Additionally, despite the violence and death in the war, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy continues to say he is in no hurry to end the bloodshed. This becomes more important to recognize when you look at the post-Berlin comments from Zelenskyy himself.
First, to the outcome of the negotiations as expressed by the EU Leadership team.
This is their official joint statement on their position within the framework. Again, not signed or accepted by the U.S delegation. [SOURCE]
The Leaders welcomed significant progress on President Trump’s efforts to secure a just and lasting peace in Ukraine. They also welcomed the close work between President Zelenskyy’s and President Trump’s teams as well as European teams over the recent days and weeks. They agreed to work together with President Trump and President Zelenskyy to get to a lasting peace which preserves Ukrainian sovereignty and European security. Leaders appreciated the strong convergence between the United States, Ukraine and Europe.
Leaders agreed that ensuring the security, sovereignty, and prosperity of Ukraine was integral for wider Euro-Atlantic security. They were clear that Ukraine and its people deserved a prosperous, independent, and sovereign future, free from fear of future Russian aggression.
Both the US and European leaders committed to work together to provide robust security guarantees and economic recovery support measures for Ukraine in the context of an agreement on ending the war. This would include commitments to:
♦ Provide sustained and significant support to Ukraine to build its armed forces, which should remain at a peacetime level of 800,000 to be able to deter conflict and defend Ukraine’s territory.
♦ A European-led ‘multinational force Ukraine’ made up from contributions from willing nations within the framework of the Coalition of the Willing and supported by the US. It will assist in the regeneration of Ukraine’s forces, in securing Ukraine’s skies, and in supporting safer seas, including through operating inside Ukraine.
♦ A US led ceasefire monitoring and verification mechanism with international participation to provide early warning of any future attack and attribute and respond to any breaches along with a deconfliction mechanism to work on mutual deescalatory actions that can be taken to benefit all parties.
♦ A legally binding commitment, subject to national procedures, to take measures to restore peace and security in the case of a future armed attack. These measures may include armed force, intelligence and logistical assistance, economic and diplomatic actions.
♦ Invest in the future prosperity of Ukraine, including making major resources available for recovery and reconstruction, mutually beneficial trade agreements, and taking into account the need for Russia to compensate Ukraine for the damage caused. In this vein, Russian sovereign assets in the European Union have been immobilised.
♦ Strongly support Ukraine’s accession to the European Union.
The leaders expressed their support for President Zelenskyy and agreed to support whatever decisions he ultimately makes on specific Ukrainian issues. They reaffirmed that international borders must not be changed by force. Decisions on territory are for the people of Ukraine, once robust security guarantees are effectively in place. They agreed that some issues would need to be resolved in the final stages of negotiations. They underlined that they would support President Zelenskyy to consult his people if needed.
They were clear that as in any deal, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and that all parties must work intensively towards a solution that could assure a lasting end to the fighting.
They were also clear that any deal should protect the long-term security and unity of the Euro-Atlantic and the role of NATO in providing robust deterrence. They stated that any elements affecting the EU and NATO will be discussed among EU and NATO members respectively.
It is now incumbent upon Russia to show willingness to work towards a lasting peace by agreeing to President Trump’s peace plan and to demonstrate their commitment to end the fighting by agreeing to a ceasefire. Leaders agreed to continue to increase pressure on Russia to bring Moscow to negotiate in earnest.
They all committed to work on rapid further progress in the coming days and weeks to jointly conclude and endorse an agreement for a lasting peace. They reaffirmed their strong support for President Zelenskyy and the people of Ukraine in their fight against Russia’s illegal invasion and in delivering a just and lasting peace.
This statement remains open for other countries to join. [SOURCE LINK]
As noted in the position of the “EU Leadership,” under their plan the Russian sovereign wealth fund will be permanently confiscated by the EU and distributed according to their stakeholder interests. Ukraine President Zelenskyy later stated he expects to receive $40 to $45 billion euros per year from these confiscated assets.
There are two scenarios: 1 – if the war ends, the funds will go toward rebuilding the country; 2 – if aggression continues, Ukraine expects €40–45 billion annually for defense and security.
Here, in his words to the media after the Berlin conference, is where you need to read between the lines for Zelenskyy’s mindset. Notice he is already positioning a continuance of the conflict, “if aggression continues….”
To the issue of permanent confiscation of a captured sovereign wealth fund. Think about the ramifications here, not just to Russia but to the international monetary system. The Russian sovereign wealth fund is not the money of Vladimir Putin; it is the investment fund belonging to the people of Russia.
This precedent, if carried out, means all nations with sovereign wealth funds (Japan, Asia countries, Saudi Arabia, et al) will now look upon those funds as “at risk” investments forever. If the U.S/EU assembly can simply confiscate the EU/USD-based wealth of a sovereign nation, then all nations are at risk of a similar outcome based on the ideological alignment of the control group. Western asset holdings will forever be viewed through this political prism.
Next, Zelenskyy expects to receive all the Russian funds, or €40 to 45 billion annually from the Russian account holders in the EU if the fight continues.
Presumably this Russian money would be used to continue the Ukraine graft and conflict if the USA refuses to send more money. This is a core element behind what Zelenskyy then said to reporters.
Here are Zelenskyy’s words as quoted and summarized (I have verified by reviewing 3 sources from the media team). The emphasis is mine:
– The U.S. wants a quick end to the war; for us, quality matters. If speed and quality coincide, we’re fully on board, Zelenskyy said.
– Neither de jure nor de facto will we recognize Donbas as Russian.
– Zelensky confirmed talks with Trump and European leaders. According to him, the unity of Ukraine, the U.S., and Europe was demonstrated.
– Today or tomorrow we will finalize the documents. Then, in the coming days, the U.S. will hold consultations with the Russians, followed by consultations with the U.S. President. After that, our teams will meet in the U.S. soon—possibly even over the weekend.
– “I believe we are very close to strong security guarantees. Where there is a Fifth Amendment, as in NATO—meaning a mirror of Article 5 for all Alliance members.
– Ukraine supports the idea of a Christmas truce.
– A reparations loan or other use of frozen Russian assets is a financial guarantee of Ukraine’s security. There are two scenarios: 1 – if the war ends, the funds will go toward rebuilding the country; 2 – if aggression continues, Ukraine expects €40–45 billion annually for defense and security.
– In the first version of the peace plan there were certain points I don’t want to comment on, but importantly, they are no longer there.
– The U.S. is seeking compromise approaches and proposes a free economic zone format, but this does not mean Russian control. At the same time, the President acknowledged that the issue of territories remains one of the key questions, and there is still no consensus.
– “I am ready for elections. If we reach certain sensitive issues and decide elections are needed—if there is a ceasefire, there will be elections.” {SOURCE}
The second point by Zelenskyy is factually stunning. “Neither de jure nor de facto will we recognize Donbas as Russian.” Not within law, nor within a matter of fact, will Zelenskyy recognize the Donbas region as Russian territory.
If accurate and not just PR, Ukraine will not concede the Donbas region to Russia. This is the context behind all other points on regional geography or territories. Zelenskyy will not give Putin the Eastern Ukraine region which Russia currently occupies.
In a very real and pragmatic way this position can make all of the negotiated ceasefire talks, entirely moot. This is also why this appears to be the emphasis: “U.S. officials said that territorial questions — including Donbas — will ultimately be resolved directly between Ukraine and Russia, at the highest political level, essentially leaving the territorial question for the final stage of discussions. {Source}
I’m not sure how the Ukraine-U.S-EU-Russia negotiations can frame all other aspects while simultaneously leaving out the part of territorial concessions until later.
As noted by the official statement from EU Leadership, “as in any deal, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.” Perhaps this is how they are structuring momentum; keep focused on the small things for agreement, until you hit the wall of major disagreement at the end. This would not be beginning with the end in mind.
I’m not sure who the U.S. officials are in these points being relayed by (pro-Ukraine) media, so take this stuff with a grain of salt, because, well… World War Reddit:
“STRATEGY ON RUSSIA: U.S. officials say President Trump is focused on reaching a conclusion to this conflict that truly stops Russia from moving west: “Under President Bush – Russia moved West, under President Obama – Russia moved West, under President Biden – Russia moved West. President Trump really wants to see this seeded as an agreement that ends that for good. That’s really what we’re trying to find a way to bring there.” {Source}
American officials say that President Trump’s focus is on robust security guarantees for Ukraine and Europe, while also rebuilding economic and political relations with Russia: “President Trump’s focus on this deal has been, number one, we need to make sure that there’s very, very robust security so that the war really ends and this will not happen again. Number two, how we make sure we deal with all the economic issues for Ukraine, so they have a bright and prosperous future. But also that Russia gets back into the global economy, so that they have incentive not to go back to war in the future, and hopefully they get focused on a different project, which is really the economy and being part of the global world, which is possible.” {SOURCE}
U.S. officials say the parties plan to meet again this weekend, likely somewhere in the United States—possibly Miami—where working groups, including military representatives, will review maps and outstanding issues. They believe roughly 90 percent of the issues between Ukraine and Russia have already been resolved, with a few remaining points still to be worked out. As additional information is gathered, the sides will compare remaining positions, including European views on territorial issues.
U.S. officials say there has been clear and acknowledged progress in narrowing the gaps between Ukraine and Russia. “We’ve identified multiple possible solutions to help bridge those gaps, which we’re proposing to the parties. We broke into a working group today focused specifically on this issue, and within about an hour we produced a three-page draft outlining the key points. As we worked through it, we realized that on roughly 90 percent of the issues there was consensus and unanimity of opinion. That reflects a real good-faith effort”, – Americans said {SOURCE}
Zelenskyy’s public statements seem to change based on his audience.
As you can see below, Zelenskky’s wording is fraught with passive-aggressive context and manipulative structure. “If these meetings had taken place earlier”…. blah blah blah. The U.S. team has literally been immersed in discussions with the Ukraine delegation for months.
If there was anything missing in the U.S-Ukraine discussions before, it was/is not an issue of availability from the U.S. side. The only thing that recently changed substantively is Zelenskyy hiding behind the skirt of Merz, Starmer, Macron and Von der Leyen (EU Leaders) to frame his talking points, AND this newly expressed zero-sum position that none of the Donbas will be conceded.
Just as a reminder: Zelensky and David Arakhamia, Ukraine’s initial negotiator, refused to sign the Istanbul ceasefire and peace agreement because, as they said, “we would have to give up NATO, and that requires changing the Constitution, which is impossible.” This was after Zelenskyy received direct pressure from British Prime Minister Boris Johnson to stop negotiating with Russia.
Now, as it turns out, what they said was “impossible” is entirely possible – just as it has always been possible to hold elections during a war. Zelensky’s decisions in 2022/2023 had nothing to do with a genuine position of the state, or best interests for Ukraine. Zelenskyy’s position was driven by a desire for control, power and profit at the cost of the lives and fate of millions of Ukrainians.
Now, Zelenskyy wants a structural security guarantee that creates a de facto NATO alignment. Essentially, all of the NATO security benefits, NATO recognition, NATO protection, NATO tools, and yet not officially a NATO member.
In addition, Zelenskyy demands full expedited entry into the European Union.
So, to summarize the position of Zelenskyy that is supported by the EU Leaders. (1) No concession on Donbas. (2) De facto NATO protection and membership. (3) EU membership and (4) Ukraine control of the Russian sovereign wealth fund.
To the folks in the administration who read here: Please accept that ¹Zelenskyy (et al) is manipulating you into a very narrow gauntlet in order to use the USA clout to achieve an objective that is not part of the administration goal.
Begin with the end in mind and now modify the approach. Tackle the issue of territorial concessions and watch all of these endless discussions collapse upon their own weight because they are missing the foundational block. Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin is not going to retreat from Eastern Ukraine; any more than President Trump would give Texas to Mexico.
[¹There’s also a better than average likelihood, Zelenskyy is in alignment with a genuine EU/Nazi mindset. Which, of course, was the reason Obama/DoS selected him in the first place.]



In general, I appreciate that trump shakes up the unbalanced, stupid, pretending status quo where usa or We The People always got fleeced so the elites could make friends and line their pockets with our money, freedom and safety.
I hated the go-along-to-get-along status quo of everything.
But the flip side is that so many of those on the other side of the broken status quo are insane or tantrum throwing spoiled children.
What is JARVANKA doing at these meetings. Is he representing TRUMP or Israel? TRUMP is still listening to him behind the scenes because TRUMP supporters see right through that SOB. He ran TRUMP decisions the last time and doing the same this time BUT TRUMP took him out of public view. Wonder why no ONE member of the SWAMP has been drained, corrupt judges and politicians never pay any price and we fight Israel wars for them . Look no further than JARVANKA ?
So clever. Why didn’t i think of JARVANKA. Probably cause I’m not obbsessed with Israel.
Jared Kushner was the architect of the Abraham Accords, which will finally bring peace to the ME. Thankfully, the muslim Countries did not let his religion cloud their minds, as you clearly have.
I would think for his knowledge of all things foreign and his negotiating skills, especial regarding Israel or anything Jewish because he is Jewish. Trump is completely in the dark regarding protocol and manners for that sort of stuff.
Last time I looked there were no US boots on the ground in Gaza involved in combat.
What we did to the Iranian Nuclear threat protected us. We are the Great Satan. It would make a lot of sense for the Iranians to nuke us first and then take care of the Little Satan later.
I would be happy to see another round or 2 of bombing of the nuclear sites and IRCG key locations.
when you have given a spoiled child everything they demand for so long, the tantrum is inevitable when you finally come to your senses and withdraw it.
Their belligerence is dangerous.
just ask the reiners.
Going to need a time machine for that.
Dangerous to who?
When the people of Ukraine get weary enough of the war they will replace Zelenskyy, either through elections or other means.
I am openly astonished that the Ukranian people have not “done a Mussolini” on him already . . . 💀 . . . My history books tell me what to expect, but it hasn’t happened yet.
He would need to be in Ukraine for that to happen. I don’t think he’s been there in months based on his travel and tv appearances.
We’ve been paying for his bodyguards and suppressing his opposition.
I’m surprised the Russian KGB (or its successor) hasn’t taken out little Z.
And that is exactly why the Ukrainian people fight this war. The random bombing does not help any.
the Ukranian ” people ” WILL When the Interest Turns to Forcing ENLISTMENT of the Kiev Crowd that Parties Every Night.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/4055024-verkhovna-rada-passes-first-reading-of-draft-law-granting-deferment-for-1824yearold-contract-soldiers.html
Well, they better get there soon.
So should the people of EU/NATO countries who are soon to add their own blood and treasure to the pile of Ukrainian dead.
“Corpses of NATO and the EU will guarantee a truce.”
A mistranslation of what was actually said. Still very probably the truth…
https://m.antikor.ua/en/articles/808942-trupy_nato_i_es_perevodchitsa_oshibochno_perevela_slova_zelenskogo_vo_vremja_brifinga
From “Blackadder” as posted in a comment elsewhere…
As Blackadder replied to Melchitt’s “Fine body of men you’ve got there, Blackadder”, he said, “Yes sir, shortly to become fine bodies of men.”
Good morning Betsy….after killing one of member of UK special forces …they been forced admit they got troops in UKRAINE… Lavrov told them about 100 of them and they are killed no prisoners taken he also acknowledged they are war with UK…..
from….pronews .org
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Morning, dear sejmon, just barely here still…
Farage’s Reform Party took three by election seats yesterday. That’s a tell.
All this hurry up to go to full out confrontational war has not gone unnoticed by Britons who are on the edge anyway.
No doubt Starmer will reintroduce conscription. And when that happens, all bets are off.
There has never been a British government so despised as this one.
Starmer government is preparing to narrow the definition of “hate” speech today.
“Anti Muslim Hate Speech”
Otherwise known as a Blasphemy Law.
No man will go to war for Starmer’s hubristic folly, knowing that once most military aged men are conscripted that their wives, families, mothers, girlfriends will be left at home, ripe for the predations of subhuman rapists who will not be required to sign up and go.
If there isn’t mass uprising when it happens, we will know the UK’s last gasp has arrived.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-introduce-anti-muslim-hate-definition
Total insanity. The EU is an empty shell militarily, and it has hollowed itself out financially. Every bit of this silly document requires the US to prop it up. I am proud that our country refused to sign any of this nonsense.
Agreed! This isnt a peace deal, its a financial bailout of the EU – the new Marshall Plan. Enough with the bs diplomacy … Time to say it loud and clear – We tried – effective immediately this is NOFP. Good luck!
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Zelensky still thinks that President Trump is going to sit down with him…
🇺🇦💬🇺🇸🇷🇺In the coming days, the US will hold talks with Russia about the agreements reached with Ukraine, Zelensky said.
After that, possibly over the weekend, the Ukrainian delegation will meet with Trump’s team in the US again.
“Well, we’ll see after this meeting. We’ll think about a meeting at the leaders’ level, at least with the President of the United States,” Zelensky said.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/167498
“Z,.” you are astonishingly cocky. The President of the United States will meet if and as he decides. You are not the legitimate President of Ukraine, and you have utterly no say in the matter. The USA is not a dog to be lead around on your leash.
EU/NATO started this war with the intent to “conquer Russia,” and finds that it cannot finish it. This is not the USA’s war, and you will not make it so.
We were very involved in starting this war. Think Obama, et al going into Biden.
I’m going to connect some dots here. Preface this by saying I pretty much only follow The Conservative Treehouse. So this isn’t sourced thoughts.
Dot 1: The US has been invaded by over 10m foreigners. Musk’s speculation is that it’s to turn elections blue. I think thats true but there is more to it. The make up of the imports screams potential leftism / islamic guerrilla army. Just waiting for the call to mobilize. Add those to Antifa and BLM and we have a young rebel army in our midst. Didn’t they really need voters, I mean they have the machines and the counties they need to throw critical elections when needed. If the composition of the imports were working families then I might feel differently but they were predominantly men of fighting age from countries that specialize in guerrilla warfare. Every revolution since ours had murdering thugs seize power. You can’t have a revolution without them.
Dot 2: Left has started shooting conservatives. These are John Brown moments. The message is filtered out to leftist that we are worthy of death. Let that sink in.
Dot 3: US Senators are calling on military to disobey orders. I dont think this is about drug boats. This is how the South started reaching out to the Army pre-civil war. When then call comes from the President to put down a rebellion, they need the US Military to stand aside. They will work on how they transition to supporting the rebellion after a bit but initially they just need it to look more like a popular uprising.
Dot 4: The UK and EU is now positioning themselves as potential hostiles to our current administration. A rebellion needs foreign support and it is appearing that Obama et al have shored this up.
Dot 5: Trump’s admin is stronger than last term. He has real practical fighters and it makes him (and us) more dangerous this time. Rubio, Vance, Tulsi, Noem, Bessent, Hegseth are all solid vs Pence, Tillotson, Pompeo etc who happily subverted Trump.
Dot 6: Border security and exports are working. This needs to stop otherwise it’ll cut into their future brown shirt army.
Dot 7: Trump is aligning with Russia and breaking apart the world order. He’s actively communicating his populist national sovereignty message and the people of Europe are listening. The EU is at a critical juncture and Trump must go.
Dot 8: There are trillions at stake as Sundance says but this feels more like a well through out and gamed planned action much like 2020 election war games and covid. It feels way bigger than money.
Dot 9: Obama. I feel like he is going to rise to lead the UK or EU. He ego dwarves the brightest star in heaven. He’s been in the UK. The coalition of the willing are really Obama’s pr team.
The US courts are just a retreating action by the leftist. A defeated army posts pickets behind them after losing a battle to slow down the advancing victors. The main rebellion force regroups and organizes, hopefully unseen.
Trump needs to shore up the FBI fast. They are his biggest threat when this turns into a hot war.
Dot 5: You forgot Bagpipes Barr. He was subversive against Trump from within before and more after the 2020 “soft coup.”
This list is super long and for brevity sake I hit just a few.
PERFECT!
It’s time to say “We’re done, Good bye! We’ve problems at home to solve.”.
Dot 1
He was born a poor black roth’s child.
With a “special purpose”.
I need to know what Steve says about this movie now. Maybe I don’t.
Saw this when about 13. Raised my kids on “Don’t Trust Whitey”, and Shinola comments, and “He hates these cans”.
Plus, Bernadette Peters.
You may be giving Obama too much credit, but your speculation otherwise doesn’t seem too far from the bullseye.
Have you ever wondered why Obama is building himself a monument that looks like a giant trash can?
He’s the perfect face of an exiled leader just trying to help his home land be free of Nazi suppression. He’ll rise in Europe somewhere.
Dot 10: There won’t be formal declaration of war from UK or EU. Look at WW Reddit, the revolution in the US will be a narrative from the European side of the Atlantic about how it’s an oraganic uprising against Nazi authoritarianism and focused on Border policies. It’ll be a color revolution run by MI6, CIA and FBI
Well done IMO. I hadn’t thought of listing all the things happening.
And per later post by SD, there’s the Susie Wiles interview that dropped to give red meat to the enemy.
Someone needs to cross reference immigration records with gun purchases
Facial expressions mean everything and close ups of each of them is telling.
As far as I am concerned, this is great news.
I have been on Russia’s side since this mess began. Now that England has labeled the US as an enemy and is telling its people to prepare for war we can freely side with Russia against Europe. WWIII is shaping up to be the US and Russia against China and Europe. I like our odds.
President Trump’s world realignment is happening
Miss Lindsey better get his priorities in order.
Dis order is his priority.
…is ms.lindsey pirouette out of this ????
…and absolutely NOTHING has changed. The EU, UK, and Z positions remain as they were 3 years ago.
So too remains the viewpoints of many Americans. We will NOT fight for Ukraine squat. We will NOT provide treasure for Ukraine period. The Machiavellian EU and UK psychopaths can go pound sand, include the latest real Nazi put in a position of power in the UK (Mi6). We will point at laugh as their systems collapse under the sheer weight of their moronic manipulations, while praying that the sane among their population will rise up and reclaim their heritage and lands.
…and absolutely NOTHING has changed. The EU, UK, and Z positions remain as they were 3 years ago.
I thought the same thing, It’s the same old EU wish list.
Ah… but the bought-and-paid-fors in Congress disagree with your ideas. They are a VERY wild card in this equation.
It looks like the proposed seizure of the Russian sovereign wealth fund assets could be the wedge that breaks apart the EU. Because all the Europeans will not agree with it, and the implication is for the Cabal to censure the ones that disagree, and they won’t like it.
Our team can go around the Coalition of the Talking and seek out saner heads. Find out where Russia is willing to draw a border line in Ukraine, and recognize it! Proceed then with normalizing relations with Russia, and include the European countries individually that want to have reciprocal trade relations with Russia. End sanctions. Let us not speak of American taxpayers paying off both sides for a ceasefire this time, we don’t have to.
Why? Why keep playing these games….The EU has no say. They can have NATO but not with the USA in it. Figure yourselves out. Good luck beating Russia….
SOS/DD
There are people in Europe who want World War III, because they don’t remember what War actually cost them. They want to: conquer Russia, then steal all of her vast natural resources. That’s it. That’s why they built up a massive proxy army and put it right on Russia’s doorstep. And, that’s still(!) what they want to do today. All of the rest is smoke.
Russia read the tea-leaves correctly and wisely decided to strike first. She thus seized the military advantage and has never lost it. She’s not going to abandon the battle until she has won it – which she is well on her way to doing. NATO’s and EU’s ambitions will be defeated where such things always are – on the battlefield. The word is surrender, but on Russian terms. Which don’t mean “conquest.” Russia has stated plainly what she wants, and doesn’t, and she will get it.
This is a Slavic territorial war, and resistance to aggression by NATO, which is no longer a “defensive” alliance. And, they want to put the USA smack-dab in the middle of it, where she has utterly no business being. Europe then steps back out of the way, and watches the USA go to war with Russia on their behalf.
As Sundance put it in LARGE PRINT in the article above, the answer must be: “NO.” This is not our circus and these are not our monkeys.
“There are people in Europe who want World War III,”
Most of the wealthier string pullers sincerely believe they will survive a nuclear exchange, and eventually rule unopposed over the ashes.
So true. The wealthy also believe that they will be able to keep their “wealth” when SHTF.
The financial ruin in Europe today is catastrophic for the plebes…there just aren’t jobs and the governments keep giving benefits to the illegal criminal invaders, known as muslims. The invaders are bleeding all of these countries dry.
We need to walk away from this.
I’m with you, Mike: on Russia’s side since the beginning, which is a place I never thought I would be. I don’t always like Russia’s tactics, but as a former military analyst, I understand them and can anticipate them. What the EU/NATO/Ukraine are doing makes NO SENSE, but what Russia is doing–well, that I can follow.
And like it or not: with the EU/NATO/Ukraine being completely delusional and having nothing but corrupt leadership hellbent on WWIII, the only way this gets finished is Russia reaching its military and strategic objectives and setting up a Berlin Wall, part II ,to protect the Russian Donbas. Godspeed to Moscow, cuz the bodies are stacking up quick. As far as Ukraine’s future goes, it has tossed a whole generation of fathers, husbands, brothers–now grandfathers and teenagers–into the meat grinder of a war the country could never win–THAT is something that takes generations to recover from. Ukraine will be a very weak state for the next couple hundred years. Burn in Hades, Z, EU/NATO/Obama/Biden/Hillary/Nuland/….
In readng the contents of the one sided terms
it Sounds like the eee uuuu wants:
– to keep its arrogance
– to spread its illegal immigration infiltrations ( corruption and lawlessness )
– to blame Trump on war continuiing
– not to talk with russia,
i.e. eeee uuuu is scaredy cat$
– to rob russia
– to lose territory and a hundreds of thousands of real lives while in war for 3 years
but not admit its mistake
by not accepting the loss of land
– create a 800,000 force to make it a military state ( and make excuses to keep war going )
– and to be funded by others without accountability ( again ).
– nothing stated about deadly bio labs
– nothing stated about prior financial accountability, the miss spending…which says…they, eeee uuuu, are thinking more of the same to continue ( and fund corruptions world wide )
– miss create a way for the eeee uuuu to cover for its bad, selfish, scaredy cat policies that cause a degradation of its culture and laws ( i.e. hidden globalism desire) .
( sounds like b o, – ist etal is miss involved including starting the war… that relies on other peoples money.)
Imho
p.s.
( after 10+ years, and 3 years of lost lives and poor counting / reporting of deaths and injuries )
Glad to see them put it out on the table for people to begin to see the sad truth of the eeee uuuu christmas grifts….
Love thy neighbors…
Merry Christmas
Furthermore,
it appears that in a lost eeee uuuu ‘game’ that of course the eeee uuuu wants to
save face.
Whom broke the terms of the Minsk agmt?
( but it’s own policies in its own countries, brit, swed, fra etc. are degrading law and order and finances and peoples well beings to pursue happiness while increasing tyranny)
That whole interim agmt – with nice meeting rooms, meals etc –
looks to have a design for the eeeee uuuu to save face
( while exploiting usa and russia ) under the cover of giving Trump credit.
The ‘game’ they play they think is smart but does not look sustainable
and looks to continue to harm a country in their continent – russia.
( p.s. Russia and the USA helped to stop WW II and its the arrogance in one of e u countries that wanted tyranny
– and it looks like the eeee uuuu has not learned, 80 years later, and miss thinks that tyranny is a good idea ( while spending other people’s money ) )
Imho
We all can do better for we the people.
Love thy neighbors
EU skirted men & a piano playing pervert puppet playing word games with the lives of strapping, young, brave men (both sides) as if they are of little value. Comprehensive article from the Professor. Thank you Sir. I see a big picture. The world is in chaos. The Prince of peace is returning soon. He will restore Eden as He promised.
“The Leaders welcomed significant progress on President Trump’s efforts to secure a just and lasting peace…”
whatever else happens, i am just glad that the “just and lasting peace” canard was in the first sentence, this time! i may have to revise my drinking game criteria…
is it weird that every time i hear that phrase now, i hear it in either starmer’s or von der leyen’s james bond villain voice?
these guys are such fkin clowns.
“Sovereign wealth fund”?
What a concept!
Too bad we can’t do that here…
President Trump talked about creating one, not sure if he has yet.
Sovereign wealth fund?
Is that the new name for $ 38 trillion in national debt?
So the current balance of the wealth fund is
– $ 38 trillion… ?
Maybe the $18 trillion in tariff income can help whittle down the deficit?
I do not know
Lumber, agriculture, water, precious metals, oil & gas, & rare earth, on Federal land & sea estimated value is 150 trillion. Imagine a sovereign wealth fund that could pay off the deficit. The world would need to participate. Problem is the house and senate’s addiction to spending. The economic Troglodytes would run the deficit to new highs.
Hence my comment.
Until someone takes the credit card away the poltroons will spend to infinity and beyond!
Dear President Trump,
Please consider as the EU acts as petulant children please treat them as such.
X is what you will accept and and give them a date to accept or else.
The chicken dance is tiresome and for the poor bastards fighting not an intellectual exercise.
Withdraw all support of Ukraine. Withdraw from NATO. Let nature take its bloody course. God can sort it out later.
Does anyone need more proof that NATO is a failure and that the best thing for the US (and the world) is for the US to withdraw from it? With us gone, the Euro weenies will no longer be able to yell, “if you hit me, my big brother will beat you up!” Cut them off completely and let ’em stew in their own juices!
“So, to summarize the position of Zelenskyy that is supported by the EU Leaders. (1) No concession on Donbas. (2) De facto NATO protection and membership. (3) EU membership and (4) Ukraine control of the Russian sovereign wealth fund.”
Untenable. EU mucking up the works, yet again.
A very weary rest of the world is watching the slow decline and death of the EU.
Yes, how does the loser demand to dictate the terms??
delusion
You forgot one thing. Z. wants 40-45 billion annually! And they all agreed. The gravy train must be kept going at least for the next 25 years!
From the Article …. They (the EU) underlined that they would support President Zelenskyy to consult his people if needed.
This statement is another very telling line that the Ukraine is NOT even considered a participant in the negotiations by the EU nor that the war is even between the Ukraine and Russia … it is between the EU and Russia.
Remove Z-Man and US Assets and the war ends, period.
How many more “hints” are needed??
Also a note on the following statement from the Article … ” AND this newly expressed zero-sum position that none of the Donbas will be conceded.”
This statement means the EU says the Minsk accords NEVER HAPPENED and the EU province of the Ukraine goes all the way to the DON River, which includes the “original” breakaway provinces that voted to join Russia.
In backhanded way … the EU is trading the Crimea (that EU still does not accept as Russian) for the DONBAS territory, i.e. trading territory the Russians occupy for territory the Russians occupy … and keeping Russian money as reparations for a war the winning Russian side did not start.
This would be the equivalent of the Allies paying the Germans and apologizing to the Germans for winning WWII.
hey kids!
this one’s from Big Don and dedicated to the Z-man in Ukraine and all his pals in Brussels, France, Germany, and the UK …from all the folks whose time you’ve been a-wastin’.
Coalition of the Willing is trying to present this as a conflict between Zelenskyy and Trump. The war drums beat that we need to prepare for war with Russia… And they need us to contemplate that. We must say no. The EU/NATO/Coalition are entirely committed to that, for reasons I have not fully understood…
They are despicable, and the EU along with the rest of NATO (Not the US) have earned my scorn and rejection. We need to be rid of this, and the sooner the better.
We have truly bat shit crazy people ruling over us. They will kill us all before they are through.
i accept these terms.
Gramps was a famous NAZI.
Crazy eyes. They always have some crazy eyes going on.
and the karen haircut.
imagine being in russia and watching that this is what has become of western “leaders.” it would all be so laughable if they weren’t all running around with knives and scissors screaming at everyone in the preschool.
You can’t Not Zee it!
dont know who this guy is, but i like him; and he is probably not long for this world if the UK Stasi have their way.
I hope we stand fast and will not go in a bind with Ukraine as to give them a mirroring 5Th element like in NATO.
Let the coalition of the willing (beggars) put their money and treasure ( citizens) where their lying mouth is.
As a matter of fact let’s get out of NATO.
if we sign up to ANY security guarantee, they know they can and will drag us back in with their scumbaggery.
an america security guarantee to ukraine is NOT america first.
You don’t even know what the guarantee is, and what the purpose of these things are. Remember Trump is trying to negotiate. If I were to guess witkoff and kushner are trying to get essentially narrower terms with the intention of negotiating large portions away.
“This precedent, if carried out, means all nations with sovereign wealth funds (Japan, Asia countries, Saudi Arabia, et al) will now look upon those funds as “at risk” investments forever. If the U.S/EU assembly can simply confiscate the EU/USD-based wealth of a sovereign nation, then all nations are at risk of a similar outcome based on the ideological alignment of the control group. Western asset holdings will forever be viewed through this political prism.”
And the dollar is hardest hit. We will destroy our own currency.
Also, what is to stop another coalition (EU+X) freezing US Funds or (US + X) freezing EU funds. There are more combinations besides the EU+US that could do the “freezing”.
also worth mentioning to much smaller actors than an entire state, is that once the precedent is set, it moves fast to encompass and justify many other moves.
if the EU can confiscate russian assets for not bending to its will, it will definitely not give a damn about seizing individual people’s assets for not complying and obeying and agreeing with their politics.
Can we just walk away now?
His statement is pathetic.
i would not call it pathetic at all. it is PROphetic.
this is the start of the new reich.
Here’s the WWII analogy:
Our grandfathers fought the Nazis and Japanese Imperialists with the Soviet Communists. To seal that war, President Reagan defeated the Soviets, largely ‘without firing a shot’.
Since then, our Parasite Class has gone Globo-Communist and allied itself with Ukrainian Nazis and Chinese Imperialists for Genocide and One World Government.
Psalm 28:
5 They care nothing for God or what he has done or what he has made; therefore God will dismantle them like old buildings, never to be rebuilt again.
6 Oh, praise the Lord, for he has listened to my pleadings! 7 He is my strength, my shield from every danger. I trusted in him, and he helped me. Joy rises in my heart until I burst out in songs of praise to him. 8 The Lord protects his people and gives victory to his anointed king.
Praise God!
Godwin’s Law.
Been a while since I’d studied prophesy but doesn’t 12 nations join the anti Christ to war?
That is a dispensational premillennial interpretation of biblical prophecy that teaches a future confederacy of ten nations or kings associated with the rise of the Antichrist, as depicted in the books of Daniel and Revelation.
It appears that the group of the so-called willing is very polished at writing fairy tales. Unfortunately, their kindergarten skill set would be laughable if their play toys didn’t have nuclear warheads. Hopefully POTUS Trump and the US team is going to put the EU and NATO on a short leash by informing them that if they escalate this regional conflict, which would have been stopped if Boris Johnson (at behest of the EU and NATO) had not interferred with Z’s and Putin’s peace negotiations approximately three years ago, don’t count on the US coming to your rescue as we did in WWI and WWII at the expense of the lives of US citizens.
Grimm fairy tales – been doing it for a long time.
PDJT, just walk away and let the Europeans do what they want. Leave them to their folly. They seem determined to crash. Best not let them take us down with them.
I see a lot of compensating in that group photo.
There is nothing in this agreement that benefits the USA unless I missed something. IMO, agreeing to this proposal would hurt the citizens of American by using our money to continue funding NATO and the Ukranian scammers. We should walk away from this and the dog and pony show should stop.
Sundance, you need to relate the current objectives of the EU as the reincarnation of the 135 years old German concept of Lebensraum.
Lebensraum (German for ’living space’) is a German concept of expansionism and Völkisch nationalism, the philosophy and policies of which were common to German politics from the 1890s to the 1940s. First popularized around 1901. Lebensraum became a geopolitical goal of the German Empire in World War I (1914–1918), as the core element of the Septemberprogramm of territorial expansion. The most extreme form of this ideology was promoted and initiated by the Nazi Party, that had ruled Nazi Germany, whose ultimate goal of which was to establish a Greater German Reich. Lebensraum was a leading motivation of Nazi Germany to initiate World War II, and it would continue this policy until the end of the conflict.
Germany has only been reunited since 1990 and just 36 years later is marching east with slave Ukrainians doing all of the dying for now.
NATO can draw the US into a war not of its choosing. The US might need to
1) exit NATO
or
2) reform NATO and bring it under American control and leadership with HQ based in mainland US.
Look dude, don’t be getting all logical. Mmmkay.
I choose #1, vote for me for Grand Poobah.
How does the investment fund belonging to the people of Russia become available to Ukraine, et al? Who makes that decision? And with what authority? Where is this money being held and by whom? I suspect that any person involved in this proposed transaction should immediately hire an estate planning lawyer.
Z and the EU are negotiating from a position of weakness and are whistling in the dark while walking past the graveyard.
And all of this need never to have happened had the 2014 “color revolution” not taken place, or at least if the new government had not insisted on revoking the quasi-autonomy of the Donbas region. If only Ukraine had not begun to repress the ethnic Russian population, then shelled civillians for 8 years when they finally resisted…
It has become very clear to me that the EU/UK want a new world war. Their rhetoric has been amping up the past few weeks and news stories about nuclear fall out are appearing – conditioning the people. They are preparing for war. Which is exactly what the WEF demanded a few years back.
This meeting was clearly the EU demands, not Ukraine. Stealing a sovereign wealth fund is likely to end any further talks with Russia and ensure that the war continues.
Larry Fink and someone named Keane were present with the US negotiation team… was that General Jack Keane?
Maybe it is time to let the EU know that if they expand the war, then they are on their own.
#1. Ukraine can not produce a military force of 800,000 bodies
#2. The Willing can not produce a military force to supplement Ukraine forces
#3. Ukraine economy is nonexistant.
#4. EU, UK, France, Germany absolutely need a war to boost their economy
#5. All the countries mentioned above are dependent on NATO aka US for military and intelligence to fight a war
#6. Most important…US does not want to go to war.
Those Lederhosers need the Kickback$ and a Public Enemy to save their own skins.
The Cabal was continued war and bloodshed to cover their criminal activity in Ukraine. Ukraine is their golden goose where they launder money, run their pedophile racket, and run secret bio lab activity. There’s no way they’re giving that up and being exposed for the satanic cult that they are.
With you, “pedophile racket” is too focused. Sex slavery/Slavery racket covers more ground.
My only quibble.
Heads on pikes.
I read that Zelenskyy wants $90 BILLION in military assets? Not from the USA I hope. But even if European nations provide this. Wow. Just Wow. To the average US citizen like me, it seems Zelenskyy is not to ne trusted, he is so shady.
Public corruption in Ukraine is epic. The Transparency International’s Corruption Perceptions Index for 2024 gave them a score of just 35 out of a possible 0 (worst) to 100 (best). And that was AFTER they were pressured to clean it up. Why do you think so many high level U.S. politicians were over there? Hint: the grift.
Yep. Biden was into the grift big time.
Talk about propping up a failed state. They need to make their own way – build their country the old fashioned way.
No such thing as an instant state. learn to respect your neighbors is a step.
Ahem…looks like the money pit cant spin anymore reparations to Ukraine
Belgium shoots down EU offer to unblock Russian assets stalemate
The concessions are not enough for Bart De Wever’s government amid growing demands for the Commission to explore other options to finance Ukraine.
BRUSSELS — Belgium on Monday pushed back against the European Commission’s proposed concessions to unblock a €210 billion loan to Ukraine funded by frozen Russian assets — dashing EU hopes of securing a deal in time for Thursday’s leaders’ summit.
With two days to go, the Commission is making a last push to convince EU member countries to back the loan so that billions of euros in Russian reserves held at the Euroclear bank in Brussels can be freed up to support Kyiv’s war-battered economy.
read the rest of article at link provided
$alivating…
You will not get an agreement while money is still made available to Zelensky and Ukraine to put up military resistance. There’s absolutely zero strategic interests for the US. The war has long left the front pages and you have the EU and Zelensky playing games per the aforementioned. Let it drag out and the billions to dry up and they’ll be lucky to keep what they have. I would never sign an agreement with Zelensky nor Ukraine period, too corrupt.
MNN BREAKING…
*NEGOTIATIONS HIT SNAG WHEN ZELENSKY DEMANDS 72 VIRGIN PIANOS
Donald must dissolve our treaty membership in NATO by executive order, now.
He cannot. Congress inserted language into a recent NDAA that asserts the President cannot leave NATO without Congressional approval.
Putin will tell them to jam it as should Trump…as this is just more of pulling in the U.S. and is in essence stating the Ukraine is a member of NATO or might just as well be…DOA in Russia.
Europeans already sense the extent of betrayal. They feel it in energy bills, in steep (engineered) industrial decline, in censorship laws, like the DSA, passed in their name but never with their consent. They know suicidal decisions are being made without them, and that their leaders volunteered for this humiliation by surrendering diplomacy as a principle.
Russia understands what Europe still refuses to grasp: peace is not born of gestures, rituals, or seasonal sentiment. Peace is born of finality. It does not arrive wrapped in candles or moral theater, but in maps, guarantees, and consequences. It comes only when power itself decides the war has reached its end, and the lines are redrawn to reflect reality, not Western fantasy. That moment will not be choreographed in Europe. It will come when Washington and Moscow settle accounts at the level where wars actually end. Kiev, tragically, is not holding the pen, it forfeited the final semblance of soverignty in 2014 . And Brussels, for all its noise, hysterical proclamations, and posturing, no longer even holds the paper on which history is written.
Europe did this to itself. It chose hysteria over realism, obedience over sovereignty, and illusion over negotiation. When the war ends, and it will, Russia will have secured her red lines, Washington will have accepted the reality of such terms and the limits of force, while Europe will be left to pay the bill for a conflict it prolonged, a diplomacy it abandoned, and a future it surrendered without a vote. The security architecture of Europe will not have been debated in Brussels, it will have been written elsewhere, by powers that retained the capacity to decide.
The final absurdity of this moment is that Europe is still on stage, faithfully reciting its lines, unaware the play has already ended, and the audience has gone home.
Now calm down, the radical leftists in charge of Europe’s rapid decline assert all that’s needed is more Muslim immigration and everything will work out beautifully. Remember radical leftism and DEIversity is their strength. Note: Sarcasm intended.