Today, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy arrived in Berlin to meet with President Trump emissaries Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner ahead of the previously scheduled Monday summit with the Coalition of The Willing, U.K, France and Germany.
The wording used by Zelenskyy tells the dynamic: “We are currently preparing for meetings with the U.S. side and our European friends in the coming days. Berlin will host many events.”
The “U.S side” and “European friends”, a notable distinction in the terminology as Zelenskyy notes his friendship with his European stakeholders.
Today, Sunday, Zelenskyy notes, “I am already in Germany. Today’s agenda includes a meeting with the American negotiating team. We are focusing on how to reliably guarantee Ukraine’s security so that the experience of the Budapest Memorandum and Russia’s invasion are never repeated. We are counting on constructive talks.”
For President Zelenskyy and his EU coalition, everything revolves around the security guarantees. As noted by Politico:
“The summit in Berlin is important: we are meeting with both the Americans and the Europeans,” Zelenskyy told journalists in a WhatsApp group chat on Sunday, according to a transcript of his remarks. “It is important for us. And believe me, we have done a lot to ensure that these parties all meet together.”
Zelenskyy emphasized the need for Ukraine to receive firm guarantees from the United States and European allies that would be similar to those offered to NATO members, according to the transcript of the group chat.
“These security guarantees are an opportunity to prevent another wave of Russian aggression,” the Ukrainian leader said. “And this is already a compromise on our part.”
Zelenskyy emphasized that the security guarantees would need to be legally binding and supported by the U.S. Congress. He said he expected an update from his team following a meeting between Ukrainian and U.S. military officials in Stuttgart. (link)
“We are talking about bilateral security guarantees between Ukraine and the United States — namely, Article 5-like guarantees … as well as security guarantees for us from our European partners and from other countries such as Canada, Japan and others,” Zelenskyy told journalists in a group chat, according to a report by the Financial Times.
This is exactly what we predicted would happen.
♦ On the ‘Security Guarantee‘ issue, this is where a quagmire is presented by European leaders.
From a pragmatic standpoint, a European demilitarized zone, stood up and supported by EU military forces, would appear to be the best solution. However, the “coalition of the willing” say they are willing to put security troops into Ukraine, but only if the USA will defend them if attacked by Russia. In essence, quasi-NATO forces on a non-NATO country, that if attacked would draw the entirety of NATO into the conflict, including the United States.
The U.K, France, Germany and EU Commission want a security structure similar to NATO for Ukraine that legally binds the United States to defend their interests if the ceasefire does not hold. President Trump has rejected this construct as yet another way for Europe to pull the U.S into a conflict zone that is not in our vital national security interests.
The ceasefire proposal structured by Trump, Witkoff and Kushner – seemingly supported by Russia, does not permit Ukraine to join NATO; however, EU membership is entirely up to the EU and people of Ukraine to decide. If Ukraine joins the EU, then EU forces alone should provide the security guarantee, not NATO which includes the U.S. and Canada.
It will be interesting to see how the Europeans organize their “security guarantee” proposal. I strongly doubt Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are willing to enter into any “article-5 like” agreement to put American troops into the mix, despite the demands of Zelenskyy.
ENOUGH ALREADY! If Zelenskyy’s European “friends” are willing to put their military troops into the mix, then the EU friends should be responsible for the security therein. President Trump needs to exit this hot mess, regardless of what congress wants to see happen.


Correct, there is no reason America should be involved in “security guarantees” “similar to those offered to NATO members.” If Ukraine were to be a NATO member, which they should never be, then we would, presently at least, be bound to contribute to its security, but never in a non-NATO scenario. It’s a European problem. If we were to be in it, it would just be another money pit like NATO.
Get USA out of NATO. Let Europe financially and militarily support their own national interest…bill
https://nypost.com/2025/12/14/opinion/self-righteous-smug-europe-chokes-on-its-scorn-for-america/
These clowns in NATO are neither our friends nor allies…time to cut the umbilical cord. Remove the US from NATO and keep $820 B for America and Americans.
This is NOT America first… we can and need to turn the focus back to domestic, America First policies.
Mr. Basssler needs to correct his information. BlackRock is not a construction company nor a contractor, they are an investment company. BlackRock rebuilds nothing. Now BlackRock could influence which companies or organization get the contracts, companies BlackRock has an investment position in.
I look at that list and I’m not happy.
But everyone has to remember that it’s not just us that is here in the Trump voting base.
We are not the only people under the Republican Tent.
Elon Musk voted for him too and he’s got a list of wants.
Every single thing on that list is voters, jobs, its the BIG $ investments and donations that he needs to rebuild, modernize, and win- that money that Republicans need to win.
So there it is, we ain’t the only game in town and he’s their President too.
This is the reality of it all.
Who’s this moron? Social media check? Yeah if someone let’s say threatens the US or president why should they be allowed in the US? Trump have blackrock a cent? No. Sent 800mil to Ukraine? Again no, that’d be CONgress. Exempted AI from state law? Established a universal regulatory system. Hijacked a Venezuelan oil tanker? Followed through on sanctions on two thug regimes one illegitimate narco regime the other an anti human sharia law run state
Waiting to see what is likely the obvious construct of these “Security Guarantees”, is like forcing us to accept the strawman facade of the entire Ukraine farce. Without the US, Ukraine and the EU actors pretend to be in some strong position bargaining. The best thing for the world in general to happen would be for the US to get as far away from that Ukraine mess possible. 100% guaranteed a false flag “Russian” attack or some very heavy provocations launched by the EU into Russia’s mainland to escalate the war in the attempt to get or keep the US engaged will happen like clockwork. Thinking the Ukrainian people have a say in anything, such as EU membership is laughable. If they can’t choose their own president, how are they supposed to “choose” to be part of a failing system?
Let the autocrats have their war sans US.
Totally agree,,get out. I mean All the way out!
Oh we’re not your friends. You hurt my feelings.
It is more important to have a coalition of the “able” than the “willing”. I don’t see that. Are Germany and France going to draft Muslims for service? Good luck with that.
Like the Z man they have no Trump cards.
👍🏻nice one, Wordman would be proud…🖖🏻
The original oval office meeting earlier this year was when Trump blew his stack over Zelenskyy’s demanding “security guarantees” and not “taking the deal” that apparently had been negotiated same day.
This is total deception on the part of the so-called “European friends” (of Ukraine) attempting to suck the USA into a contractual agreement that still accomplishes “Security Guarantees” for Ukraine and ultimately Europe.
Imho, they are dangling the carrot called ‘Nobel Peace Prize’ in front of Trump.
Get out now!
Trump knows they will never give him that. The reason they won’t give it to him is the reason he doesn’t care about the now meaningless award.
Trump ripped off their mask. His superest of super powers.
I think Trump does want the Peace Prize.
He should look at it this way; getting out of this negotiation IS ultimately about peace. Our USA peace.
Keeping USA out of a potential future major conflict/war earns him any and all peace rewards.
No way to know, but I think he delights in crushing their brand for dissing him.
I agree.
I can only hope that our +|- $200 or 300 billion US sent Ukraine is traced.
Also, our weapons we sent them should be tracked to see where they ultimately ended up?
Imho, we need to know just how corrupt this war really has been.
Since 44-Admin, it’s never added up.
Sadly, it HAS become meaningless!
One only needs to look at some of the more recent awardees. It is political, and has lost its shine.
Same thoughts earlier today. Followed by another thought:
Best Legacy?
*An award for a fake peace deal – OR KEEPING THE UNITED STATES FROM GETTING SUCKED INTO YET ANOTHER EUROPEAN WAR?
From the American perspective this is all laughable. Even Biden, while in power, asserted the pretense of no American boots on the ground. Though Biden and the rest probably were assuring the Euros otherwise behind the scenes.
PDJT must know that if he commits to the reality or potential of American boots on the ground his Presidency and that of his anointed successor are over.
Just cut these freeloaders off already.
Not just Ukraine, but all of Western Europe. Grifters all.
They can throw snowballs at the Russians.
Considering that this guy spends all his time being wined, dined, housed, and protected in the finest palaces of Europe, hardly staying in his own country, I have been surprised that some enterprising Ukrainians haven’t tied him to a tree on the Donbas frontline. I suspect if other countries weren’t babysitting him, it would have happened long ago…
Landmark Court Ruling: Ukraine’s Draft Office Staff Have No Authority to Detain or Forcibly Bring In Citizens
Zelensky will launch a false flag 10 minutes after any “guarantees” are inked. Then it will be WW3 with the short guy and his buddies all requiring the USA to fight the war and pay for it.
The US isn’t doing anything until ukr and Russ ink a deal. And that’s not happening until there are some guarantees for Russia as well
‼️🇷🇺🇮🇹 “We are not at war with Russia. I don’t want my children to fight against Russia”, – Italian Deputy Prime Minister
▪️Matteo Salvini called on Europe to refrain from escalating the conflict with Russia
➖“Europe needs to stop boycotting attempts to establish peace in Ukraine”, – said the Italian Deputy Prime Minister.
▪️In his opinion, Germany and France are trying to shift their problems abroad, as things are not going well for them themselves.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/150566
Fico also has said, NO MORE! https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/slovak-pm-fico-blast-brussels-warmongers-wants-no-part-western-europe-if-russian “..Fico said he had held an almost hour-long phone conversation with European Council President António Costa focused on EU funding for Ukraine.“While he spoke about money for the war in Ukraine, I kept repeating the senseless daily killing of hundreds to thousands of Russians and Ukrainians,” Fico wrote.
“If for Western Europe the life of a Russian or a Ukrainian is worth shit, I do not want to be part of such a Western Europe.”…”
Christmas Markets in France are cancelled Why, you may ask? Could it be invited immigrants from the Religion of peace will not tolerate Christian values. Remember the Paris Olympics? Yes, the holy Last Supper was mocked. Never forget!
German police cannot protect some Christmas Markets. Why not? Are European Open border policies to blame for this intolerance towards Christian traditions?
Is the German leader a girly man, afraid of some of his invited guests? Why won’t he protect native born Germans?
There there is Ukrainian “leader” Zelenskyy, the man who sends thousands of Ukrainians to their deaths. He doesn’t like Christians either. He has banned the Russian Orthodox Church..
It is understandable Zelenskyy regards these European leaders as friends. Birds of a feather.
I agree with Sundance. We either give them our deal or we get out of this potential hot mess. No American treasure on Ukraine’s or European soil.
I keep thinking that President Trump has carefully calculated when the time will be right to tell Z and his European friends to go eff themselves (although he would be much more polite) — and it’s not yet. That and / or he doesn’t have the cards right now and expects his hand to get better.
I’m certainly in no position to think I understand the situation better than the President.
And yet it is wearing on us, his supporters, to have these people, Z and friends, parading around, lying and pretending. It puts us through some extended cognitive dissonance, which is not good for any political movement.
And compared to the combatants, we are lucky to only have to deal with cognitive dissonance.
I hope and pray our President will get us disentangled thoroughly and quickly. Otherwise I think people will lose interest, if they haven’t already.
I think the American team should tell the Ukrainian team that if they don’t provoke Russia, Russia is likely not to be hostile. In other words, “Don’t Poke the Bear” which was always part of the funny learning lessons taught in the Boy Scouts when sitting around the campfire. That and don’t eat yellow snow. 😉
🇺🇦 The office of the President of Ukraine is left without gifts for Christmas!
Kenny Rogers:
You’ve got to know when to hold ’em
Know when to fold ’em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run”.
It’s time to let Z and his coalition play alone.
For Zman
We are not your “partner” you are in no position to make “demands”. PDJT is trying to stop the killing of Ukraine citizens and save your failing country. You and your friends from Europe really don’t care about “your people” and YOU keep making demands which are non starters. You are just jerking us around.
For PDJT
I know you are passionate about stopping the killing. Zman could care less. We are squandering precious people and resources dealing with fools that want to put us in danger. Please say “ENOUGH, YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.”
And then you have establishment Republicans and some Democrats (the Combine) who can’t stop writing taxpayer checks. Oh yeah, notice how the corruption investigation of Ukraine has gone quiet.
Coalition of the Willy-Nilling
“Nilling” (from the archaic verb “nill”) means being unwilling or refusing to do something, essentially “willing not to” or saying “no” to an action, often appearing in the phrase “will I, nill I” (whether I will or not). It’s the present participle of an obsolete word rooted in Old English ne willan (not to will) and is closely related to “willy-nilly”.
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The US security guarantee is only as meaningful as the US president/Congress chooses. If the people running the US only want to send blankets, then that is it (Obama level). Or, the US president/Congress can send trillions into a country without any security guarantees.
The three stooges and the money laundering dictator plan to make this a never ending war by designed to drag the USA into it… We the People of the United states Say go for it let the best Nation win.
GB, France, and Germany have been no better then Russia to the United States or to the civilized world. In my opinion all 4 nations would love to over throw the United State of America… FAFO go have your war… Don’t come crying to USA if you get your Ass Kicked…
As an American Tax Slave, I am sick of this thieving little scumbag Zelensky trying to call the shots with his demands on President Trump and the USA. It is absolute hubris to think that we are going to be forced to continue with this debacle for years without end.
Who the hell does this penis piano playing freak think he is anyway?? He has no more cards left to play especially since he’s robbed and plundered everything of value from his own country along with FJB, Hunter and their cronies.
I hope that there will soon come a time when our President Trump will act with extreme prejudice and lay down the law – go medieval on ALL of them.
Will give up NATO aspersions if US guarantees security .. ? Is this real.. ? realistically how about neither from US what you do with EU is your and their problem.. we need out of NATO like yesterday
The ceasefire proposal structured by Trump, Witkoff and Kushner – seemingly supported by Russia...
Alexander Mercouris @ The Duran has reported that the Russians will accept a ceasefire proposal only if and when there is a peace agreement, whereas President Trump, Zelensky, and the Europeans want a ceasefire – period. President Putin has made it clear what Russia’s terms for a peace agreement are since June of 2024, during a speech to Russian foreign ministry officials, but the Trump Administration repeatedly trying to get the Russians to accept a ceasefire, doesn’t seem to understand this.
Even if people within the administration are in favor of providing Ukraine with security guarantees, Russia will not agree to this. Also, a European demilitarized zone with European military forces is categorically unacceptable to the Russians.
These meetings are just theater. The two sides have irreconcilable differences.
They want so bad for western countries (the US) to be tied to Ukraine’s hip “in case Russia attacks again” (which would of course keep the cash flows coming), but they ignore the big stinky elephant in the room which would give Ukraine the biggest security guarantee of them all:
…simply declare Ukraine to be a neutral country.
The games-playing and grifting is nauseating.
A long read by https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/167413
Merz and other EUnuch puppet-“leaders” will have their talks to the Narcoführer tomorrow, who ahead of the start of “negotiations” said:
“From the very beginning, Ukraine’s desire was to join NATO, these are real security guarantees. Some partners from the US and Europe did not support this direction.
Thus, today, bilateral security guarantees between Ukraine and the US, Article 5-like guarantees for us from the US, and security guarantees from European colleagues, as well as other countries — Canada, Japan — are an opportunity to prevent another Russian invasion.”
“And it is already a compromise from our part.”
Putin FIRES Kinzhal at Odessa, EU’s Russian Asset Grab BACKFIRES | Mark Sleboda
Russia has intensified its strikes across Ukraine and the latest on Odesa Port has turned the lights out for ONE MILLION Ukrainians. Is this a brutal retaliation for the EU’s decision to permanently and illegally freeze Russia’s assets stolen at the beginning of the conflict? Geopolitical analyst Mark Sleboda breaks it all down.
Thanks Dogsmaw.
Mark Sleboda quote:
“Pay no attention to the quote-unquote “peace talks.” It is noise in the backgrouond. It is not going to amount to anything on the battlefield, which is what is important and will continue to be important.
“This will not be a conflict that is settled by diplomacy, not any time in the near future. It will be settled on the battlefield, because the losing side is not willing to admit they’ve lost yet.
“It will continue, and then eventually there will be a forced surrender and Russia will just dictate the terms.”
Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are to be joined by BlackRock’s CEO and World Economic Forum’s Co-Chair, Larry Fink.
Why?
Nagging at my memory today, but this Z, who “loves his populace so much” (NOT), changed when people are allowed to celebrate Christmas.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67816987
Not a one got to have a vote on that one. Will the estimated 200,000 refugees in Slovakia be able to submit absentee ballots when he decides to have an election? Who gets to count those votes? FUBAR.
“President Trump needs to exit this hot mess, regardless of what congress wants to see happen.” Spot on. BTW, it’s probably worthwhile to go read Article 5 of the NATO treaty again. It contains the phrase “… by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force …” which is a colossal escape hatch.
As Will Shakespear said “sound and fury signifying nothing” The political theater is obvious and tiring. Enough
Ukraine needs an election.