The authority for the United States government to capture the electronic records of all Americans without warrant falls under the auspices of FISA-702. The current authority expires in April of 2026.
Some administrative state defenders will argue this issue with me. However, having researched almost every aspect to the construct, and the argument, I am confident FISA-702 authority underpins the much bigger, quasi-constitutional justification for the wholesale collection of U.S. citizen metadata. Without the 702 authority, the legal justification for the apparatus of surveillance no longer exists. It really is that simple.
That said, there remains ZERO justification for the wholesale capture of U.S. citizen data by the government. It is not the searching of the database that presents the issue; the capture itself violates the Fourth Amendment.
The only way the government can justify the capture of U.S. Citizen data is if there is some quasi-constitutional or national security reason for it. That’s where FISA-702 comes in.
Take away “702” search authority, and the data collection argument collapses; ANY “incidental” search of the database then loses any plausible legal justification. 702 is the camel’s nose under the tent that forms the baseline for all data records to be intercepted, stored and ultimately available for review.
This is a very key component to fully understand. Most practical applications of surveillance are contingent upon the capture of electronic records for tracking. Ex. – if domestic travel records are considered private papers (never argued yet), then government agencies have no right to exploit them without a valid search warrant underpinned by a national security justification. The government, not private sector – government, tracking people becomes more difficult if privacy rules are applied.
The legal aspect runs through the 4th Amendment, which -while historically undefined in the modern era- likely stirs in the background of the recent TSA decision to provide a $45 opt-out, for the use of REAL ID in domestic transit (interstate commerce application notwithstanding).
The Fourth Amendment aspect to the ‘warrantless’ government capture of American citizen records has never been fully argued in court; the modern definitions are opaque, and the govt has a vested interest in retaining the untested status quo.
The Intelligence Community (IC) has told Congress, particularly the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, that all hell will break loose if they don’t reauthorize full electronic surveillance of Americans.
Congress has historically been scared of the “seven ways from Sunday” IC. However, now Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard is attempting to change things; specifically change things as they pertain to the domestic use of the intelligence agencies.
As the counterargument is made, House Speaker Mike Johnson, and all of the key participants, are siloed from understanding that 702 has nothing to do with incidental collection of American data, whilst the honorable IC were doing foreign intercepts.
According to intelligence experts, Speaker Johnson and most Republicans believe the IC justification, and perhaps many of them pretend not to know the alternatives. I do not buy this argument, because too much recent evidence exists to sell the story that Congress is unknowing of how this metadata capture is being continually exploited.
The only way to really test congressional knowledge is to question them. No one is questioning them.
In my opinion, the politicians and their key staff pretend they cannot fathom how the FBI, DOJ, NSD, DHS and contractors use this database to conduct political and “other” (think corporate espionage for sale) surveillance. When you engage with them, you realize they really do put on a great show proclaiming the IC is full of honorable rank-and-file, trying to walk a fine line between the 4th Amendment and exploitation. The counter position is akin to them living in a DC bubble.
The IC argument is now something akin to how we have let thousands of terrorists into the country through the southern border crisis. They say: “My god, we need to monitor the terrorists, and if you take away the 702, the foreign terror cells will activate and start killing us all. Do you want that blood on your hands?” You cannot take away surveillance tools.
Then you overlay the FISA 702 reauthorization argument, as used as a bargaining chip by the same people who don’t want to get caught up in the surveillance.
The DC conversations end up like, “Ok, we’ll reauthorize it, but you cannot use it against us – and all the sex parties and perverted stuff we do when no one is around; you must promise to keep our secrets hidden“… Then, just like the 2024 reauthorization change, they exempt themselves.
The IC agree to accept a reauthorization that exempts Congress. The IC keep the process – just promise not to use it against Congress. This outlook is what we see visible in the CR bill extension that included forbidding the FBI from seeking search warrants against Senator’s telecommunications, and this outlook is highlighted by Elise Stefanik demanding that Congress be notified if any federal candidate for office is under investigation. The Big Club protects the Big Club.
Unfortunately, ‘We The People’ do not have many friends in DC on this issue, other than a very small group in/around Tulsi Gabbard’s office, and they are constantly under attack.
The DC UniParty will attempt to reauthorize 702 to continue exploiting their surveillance authority. Do not forget, now we have over 10,000 log-in portals with access to the NSA database exist, including the workstation at Perkins Coie that tied into the NSA database {GO DEEP}.
♦ Here’s where we need to stay elevated, as the DC manipulation toward their 2026 end goal starts to become visible.
The Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) and the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) are currently being worked and updated within the legislature. As we saw with Elise Stefanik’s amendment, the IAA/NDAA votes are being purchased right now.
The NDAA secures funding for the industrial war machine and members of the Senate Armed Services Committee (via lobbyist spending) [Republicans love Money]. The IAA secures funding for the Fourth Branch of government, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (via deep state control) [Democrats love Control].
In January 2026, the short-term Continuing Resolution that reopened government will end.
Why this aspect matters. Fiscal year 2026 needs to be fully funded at the same time legislation for the IAA/NDAA is more than likely to be updated.
My suspicion is that all of the required funding, along with the passage of the IAA/NDAA, will be wrapped into one legislative package so that all of the ugly is hidden by all of the mandatory, and that’s where the FISA-702 angle comes into play.
We need to keep an eye open for the 702-reauthorization getting pulled into this pending legislative mess.
After spending several years asking every representative of consequence why they support the FISA-702 process, I can tell you every one of them says they believe it is needed, because the IC tells them there are just too many domestic terror threats that need to be monitored.
It is almost impossible to find a person in DC who will forcefully try to stop FISA-702 reauthorization.
If you ask me why in hindsight, I now take the position that FISA-702 is the gateway to the massive surveillance system currently being put into place using Real ID and the AI facial recognition software provided by Palantir (CIA exploit). In essence, the gateway that allows the full-scale surveillance state, is opened by the prior authorization of FISA-702 that negates any 4th Amendment protection.
BIG Why? Because all of the surveillance mechanisms within the network being updated and enhanced by AI search and capture, comes from the IC being allowed to exploit the NSA database. That same database access allowance is the targeting mechanism for FISA-702. If warrantless searches of the NSA database were stopped, the Palantir/IC and Tech Bro collaboration could hit a brick wall.
The significance of this FISA-702 issue is much bigger than most can appreciate.
This surveillance underpinning also reconciles many of the puzzled faces when it comes to who is permitted nomination and who is not. The DC Deep State confirmed both Kash Patel to be Donald Trump’s FBI Director (SSCI), and Pam Bondi to be U.S. Attorney General (SJC). Both Bondi and Patel are expressed believers in the value of FISA-702.
You might even remember this odd question from October of this year that came out of nowhere. Attorney General Bondi literally read a script on the issue that was prepared for her. WATCH:
Additionally, the nomination of Tulsi Gabbard to be Director of National Intelligence was initially opposed by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), until she acquiesced and agreed there was value in the FISA-702 process.
To explain how serious this issue underpins the control elements of Washington DC, watch this next clip as Senator Lindsey Graham starts foaming at the mouth and yelling about something that doesn’t even exist.
FISA-702 ONLY pertains to the private conversations of AMERICANS, not – I repeat – not any intercept or communication method that has to do with a foreigner or foreign adversary.
The only time FISA-702 applies is when an American person is captured in an intercept that has targeted a foreign person. Surveillance of foreign actors, foreign persons and intercepting communication of foreign entities, does not require any FISA authority at all. Foreign actors do not have constitutional protection.
FISA-702 only applies when the intercept of a foreign person is connected to communication with an American person. In that specific scenario, FISA-702 gives the U.S. government the authority to query the database of the American person.
However, the database search queries of Americans, people who have no contact with any foreign person, is the privacy aspect that has been abused by the intelligence apparatus. Senator Lindsey Graham comes unglued as he starts gaslighting on this issue. WATCH (prompted):
Everything you have just read emphasizes how important this FISA-702 reauthorization is to the worst elements of those within Congress who control the levers of power and use it for affluence.
Secret courts, secret justifications, warrantless surveillance and ultimately control. That’s what is at stake.
We have a few weeks before things get really ugly, but they will get ugly.
Deals will be cut. Offers will be made. Corruption throughout this argument will run amok.
In the background of every headline, that will surface over the next two months, this issue will enmesh.
We need to watch closely how National Security Advisor Marco Rubio, Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard and Vice President JD Vance respond to the surfacing issues.
All of the modern surveillance mechanisms, within the U.S. government network currently being updated and enhanced by AI search and capture, come from the gateway of 702; ie. govt being allowed to exploit the NSA database against Americans.
If warrantless searches of the NSA database are legally stopped, or no longer authorized, the gate closes and the DHS, Palantir/IC and Tech Bro surveillance collaboration hit a brick wall.
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This is even more relevant with the arrival of pernicious Windows 11, which would make the Stasi blush.
Maybe it is time to learn how to use Linux?
Exactly. Just watched another video of what to turn off in Windows that auto-magically captures data under the guise of safety and developer assistance. BS…it’s because Gates (and a bunch of others) is in cahoots with The Deep State scum who believe it is their duty to collect our data…again, more BS… under the guise of safety and protection. If you notice constant HDD activity it is time to review these background processes, they are not your friend. And since when is it the right of The Federal Government to surveil/spy on We The People? Time to cut the head off that snake.
Funny (not funny) thing is there are far too many indoctrinated that believe this is okay, enjoying their soft tyranny…like those who think it is wrong to make holes in the sea with drug cartel traffickers (who also traffic humans). Warped tortured brains that will not be convinced otherwise.
Any particular link to one of those videos?
Sounds like a great idea. Windows 11 infuriatingly shuts down my computer. I have to make sure my Autocad drawing is saved before I leave my computer for an extended period of time.
Here you go…this guy has always been excellent, and the latest one I watched:
I just completed this, and checked to make sure the restart didn’t reload,,,,,,,all nice, and I saved it, thank you
T H A N K Y O U !
In the update settings,
you can set hours not to restart.
you can pause updates for 1 to 5 weeks (It will update at end of pause.)
you can force the updates to take place now.
The first may help. At least not update during the hours you normally work.
The second is worthless. If you turn it on Wed, you clobber your computer next Wed.
The third is a pain but allows you to control when it happens.
That is all the consideration they give us anymore.
Mostly, we need to rely on good practices. like if your place is prone to power outages, you save your work more often.
If only AutoCAD made versions of their software for Linux and *BSD.
There are a few big software vendors that are keeping MS on the desktop.
There are ways to run Windows applications under Linux.
Look at Wine for one.
I run Linux Mint and it is much less intrusive, I haven’t run a MS operating system since Win98. A long time ago.
If you really want see what devices are violating your privacy, run Kali Linux as a dual boot with your regular operating system.
Linux Mint is probably the most friendly linux distro for Windows users looking to cross over. You can easily install Wine on Linux Mint using the built-in software manager to search and install. Easy peasy.
https://www.fosslinux.com/103961/the-comprehensive-guide-to-using-the-linux-mint-software-manager.htm
I’ve never tried the Kodachi Linux distro but most of the articles on Linux I’ve read say it’s the most secure.
Good luck. Some of my settings magically change themselves. Typically the result of an automatic restart to upgrade.
Long ago, Windows allowed me to control updates.
Now I never know if the computer was turned off and on while I left it in sleep mode.
Where do we get the LINK to the video?
Don’t forget AI. To date, much of what AI has been credited with doing is shady at best and criminal in action!
We all need Linux Lessons!!! Screw Microsoft and their attemp to control our lives!
AN ATTORNEY PAID CASH AT WALMART WITH NO PHONE – AND THEY STILL KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE BOUGHT
https://x.com/HustleBitch_/status/1996367697328656895?s=20
The attorney had his phone ON HIM at the time, right?
He had nothing on him in the store.
This suggests AI is being used with facial recognition to track our travel and doings in social settings apart from our phone, phones that are around us, or our computer. In the comment section of the video I also read that someone had installed this system in the year 2000, and that Walmart updates Gov systems daily with their info. I also read somewhere that Palantir was actually within the Govt not too long ago (collecting all this meta-data) and they formed a corporation outside the Govt to separate what Palantir is doing from the Govt so Palantir dosen’t have to abide by things like the 4rth amendment. Being in the public market Palantir just sells it back to the Govt without the Govt being blamed for violating our freedom.
Don’t know if this could be a possibility, but if his credit card was in his wallet without any RFID blocking, then maybe they scanned his card and learned who he was that way?
We would need more than Linux to avoid interception of data. The only thing I can think of is to turn it all off.
May I add even more relevance? The surveillance data being collected is everywhere…the cameras all over the country are tracking us.
This is frightening, to say the least, and I believe Ring and other surveillance tools have been “updated” to include facial ID.
https://deflock.me/what-is-an-alpr
There is a new one at an intersection right outside my neighborhood.
There is NO safe Operating System. If it exists, the folks running the data collection have it and have broken it. All those neat APPS you run have adapters and interfaces with links that pass through your vaunted secure OS.
If you believe there is then the tooth fairy will be visiting you someday with a deed to the land bridge across the Atlantic Ocean.
The best you can hope for is to follow the advice offered above as to which switches to flip in your OS, to at least slow down the data collectors.
It was time to learn to use Linux (not a steep hill at all) 25+ years ago.
this article may be helpful for those using Gmail too, so it doesn’t read your emails and attachments to train its algorithms:
https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2025/11/gmail-is-reading-your-emails-and-attachments-to-train-its-ai-unless-you-turn-it-off
I am a target of the deep state who has been targeted for over 12 years. I can tell you that they use surveillance tech that maybe only the most sophisticated of us could evade. There’s a connection of criminal elements to the IC, often by so called national security reporters and private security firms that hire IC and LE as moonlighters. These private security firms are in the Epstein emails as uncovered by The American Conservative (Investigative Management Group). They are hired by the wealthy, and Epstein used them against his victims. I have reason to believe they were hired initially to illegally spy on me. They are very very technologically advanced by years, and may even be using DARPA tools.
Why can’t an American citizen that was targeted with this file a suit to challenge constitutionality? Or have they to no avail?
im sure they are very careful to launder their info back another route to hide the 702 origin. and then they also have a backup of courts declaring no standing with judges subject to frameups, extortion, and other applications of skullduggery. its a lock.
That ‘public private partnership; that baby Bush touted?
Sounds like fascism to me.
Perzactly.
They absolutely could.
However the cost to fight/appeal/fight/wait/wait/wait/fight/appeal all the way to SCOTUS, would cost millions in legal fees. No one exists today with both the money and desire to embark on such a process.
Which the CrapWeasels know, and use to their advantage.
I dream of President Trump taking it on after he leaves office…
I do know of specific cases where some random NSA person has called a local cop and told them to be at a certain location to stop a drug deal in real time. The DA in court tried to claim that a CI provided the tip so they couldn’t reveal them. But due to discovery and right to face your accuser in court they either had to give up the tipster or the case had to be dropped. I’m sure you can find the case if you google it. I’ll never forget reading the entire article probably 7-8 years ago.
If a patriotic law firm could take up a case like that Pro Bono, I think it could work. Just need the right firm. If they even exist.
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I think the gubmint skirts around the issue by forcing our service providers to include permissions that the users must agree to with every software update. I guess their contention is that as long as surveillance is granted by the user to access the system then the user (us) has every right to forego their Constitutional protections to use that system.
I say it’s coercive and manipulative to enforce unconstitutional diktats as a condition for participation in free market systems.
For the last quarter century at least, our Bill of Rights have been violated and basically made ‘null and void’….
In particular:
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment
Per a Brave AI search, comment from Ben Franklin:
Benjamin Franklin’s famous quote warns that those who surrender essential liberty for a measure of temporary safety forfeit both liberty and safety. This statement originated in a 1755 letter Franklin wrote on behalf of the Pennsylvania Assembly during the French and Indian War, where the legislature faced a choice between raising funds for frontier defense by accepting a tax on the Penn family’s lands or preserving its right to self-governance. The quote reflects Franklin’s concern that sacrificing foundational freedoms to achieve short-term security undermines the very principles of a free society.
If the nsa database exists, holding all that data, it is irresistable to the government. There’s no way they’re going to NOT abuse it. They can’t. That’s just human nature.
we natural born americans have no standing…
Per Sundance: “…politicians and their key staff pretend they cannot fathom how the FBI, DOJ, NSD, DHS and contractors use this database to conduct political and “other” (think corporate espionage for sale) surveillance.”
Indeed
Pretending not to know how the database will be used and/or not caring how it’s used and who is using it…is a typical day on Capitol Hill, IMO.
Money and power, power and money, or a bit of both, this is our elected officials in action on both sides of the aisle.
Yes, there are exceptions, but they are too few to turn the tide.
They all remind me of Gomer Pyle… “Well Gollee, Shazam!”
Evil clowns, the lot of them!
Marbury v. Madison – “A law repugnant to the Constitution is null and void”
Take it all the way to the Supreme Court!
No standing.
Isn’t the Bill of Rights part of the Constitution?
it is.
“no standing” is the classic worm-out that “judges” have exercised for quite some time now when they do not want to address weighty issues. i also tend to believe the Constitution is not meaningfully in effect in this post republic. we are still going through motions, but thats just cargo cult ritual.
Perzactly! I knew that…LOL.
What’s the best you could reasonably hope for?
More of the same . . .
I have 0 doubt in the event fisa702 is ever eliminated, deep state will stage a mass murder event and blame the politial figures responsible for its elimination in an effort to reconstitute.
There is one way to convince President Trump to dump this reauthorization.
Explain to him why it is a massive waste of money that could be used to help pay off the debt.
He understands money.
It’s what they used to surveil him and everyone around him – illegally.
My hill as well. Thank you Sundance.
Is there any realistic expectation that this illiberal, anti Constitutional monstrosity will be stopped?
The venal, corrupt talking shop which is Congress which pays nothing but lip service to their constituents and who…let’s be honest and non pretending on this point…at best ignore those they are chosen to serve, and at worst regard their voters with contemptuous disregard are delivering the death blow to the whole foundation of our Republic as the Founders designed it.
I am neither sanguine nor resigned.
I believe we have a flesh and blood coterie in front of us of what the Founders meant when they specified our enemies as being not solely “foreign”.
Can we any longer claim that we are a Republic?
In name only…
Spot on. The federal government metastasizes at will, hardly ever “reducing” because the constant justification of doing something means the continuation of said thing then considered “but we’ve always done it so it needs to remain”. SSA and Medicare are two prime examples that have morphed into bloated wasteful confiscatory ‘programs’ that now are next to impossible to reduce or repeal. Citizen data collection has become so ingrained to the point the argument gets flipped so it is now “necessary for public safety”. Baloney…government has no Constitutional right to such an activity on innocent citizens.
Ronald Reagan on eternal life:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Uut6C0Lp0pc
“…no Constitutional right…”
Correct, and there it is in beautiful script on the sacred document.
A document which over the decades has been ignored almost to irrelevancy by various judges who have sworn to uphold it. And not only that…
Judges who have twisted the plain meaning of each word into some sort of grotesque hybrid of the original. Wordsmithing at its partisan worst, twisting until the role itself of government is no longer as servant but master.
We point fingers at nations which have become shockingly despotic…i.e any country you care to name in the West,
Only to those paying very close attention can there be a terrible understanding that we are travelling in the same direction and are covering ourselves with disgusting hypocrisy.
Pots, kettles, glass houses and all that.
A savvy business partner said this to me moons ago…stuck:
“Lawyers define the world into their terms then argue forever about the meaning of those terms.”
The Founders knew this and gave plain language…yet so did God and look how many shade The Commandments to fit their preferred outcome.
An apposite comparison, Campfixer.
“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain – that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it.”
~Lysander Spooner
This is exactly why the Pharisees were called out in the Gospel by the carpenter from Galilee. The rebuke might have been lost on some of them in that era, but serves as instruction for generations since.
When did we lose the Republic? Likely when the exploitation of the NSA data base started being used for insider trading by members of congress. There is always an underlying financial motive
Akways, always, dear sir.
When? Difficult to say exactly when as there has been so much unseen.
But if I had to pick one thing, I believe the “Patriot” Act (prewritten and then locked in a drawer somewhere until “something” catastrophic occurred where fearful and traumatised people would accept the obliteration of our constitutional liberties) would be the first outward sign.
It makes me even more certain that we lost it far earlier than that and didn’t know.
Indeed.
Looking into past events that the FBI and BATF were involved in suggests as much. A lot of those past incidents are associated with all kinds of sketchy business in one way or another on the part of the Feds.
Little by limit testing little, RF. Then all at once.
When did the chipping away in earnest start I wonder….
Post WWII is my uneducated, ignorant guess.
At least as far back as 1864. The Union survived the war between the States despite all the foreign meddling to the contrary. Ditto the War of 1812.
Then you got this Albert Pike who spelled out a future for the United States being involved in three world wars and a diminishment before the eventual creation of a global government.
Bad actors have been spelling out such plans for many years, if you know where to find it.
The thing is that both the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were, and still are revolutionary in that God-given individual rights are paramount and government exists solely to uphold them and serve its people. They’ve been hated since day one for the principle alone and have always had enemies within and without looking to undermine and destroy everything based on it.
At no time before or since has such ideas of specifically limited government ever taken hold elsewhere. It’s literally lightning in a bottle.
If there’s anything to remember, providence has always had that particular and often subtle influence at critical junctures of our history. Our story is far from over.
Testing times, absolutely.
Our bedrock documents and form of government were constructed for a moral people. We have fallen far from that in too many ways to list.
Our story is not over, I agree, dear sir. However, we are not exempt from the raging war and winds of change which are consuming the entire West.
This is a deeply divided nation now. Not since the Civil War has it been more so, and this condition is unsustainable. We all know Lincoln’s words about that. At this point, I can see no way to breach the chasm as both sides must desire to unite which, as has been made clear by those who want perpetual power, theirs is not remotely interested. Those for whom there are no rules…except their own… but only purely evil means for securing it.
Providence? Perhaps…
The Divine Will of Almighty God?
Oh I think definitely., one way or another.
One could argue the form of chastisement that would occur given historical precedent, and there are still plenty of those salt of the earth types here in the States. Hope endures.
I also would agree that we are increasingly divided purposefully. Divide and conquer has long been a tactic to maintain power.
More importantly it acts a filter of a sort, an opportunity for the authentic American national character to resurface from more recent constructs which would’ve been intended to supplant it completely.
A spiritual revival is indicative of a certain shift, is it not? We should remember what is often meant for evil can serve God’s plans for good in the long term.
A last thought, we are certainly living in interesting times.
If the problem is mass data capture, then we can’t pretend this is just a government thing. You’re furious (understandably) about 702, but you also cheerlead DOGE, which, unless we’re suddenly pretending otherwise, hoovered up a ton of user data itself. If you’re fine with DOGE (or any other favorite platform / project) vacuuming up behavioral data and monetizing it, but you draw the red line only when the DOJ or NSA touches it, that’s not a principled privacy position.
This is a HUGE hill, perhaps a mountain. These CONgress criminals and clowns have set themselves above everyone. The 702 fiasco should be a reminder that CONgress is NOT on our side, and there are no “aisles” in CONgress to cross for appeasement.
yes congress is full of traitors… but if trump can refuse to sign it, why doesn’t he?
Did you miss the part where the renewal will be likely hidden inside the giant must-pass budget process in April?
Because that’s how Corrupt CrapWeasels operate.
no, i did not miss that.
thats indeed a big part of the question.
On Christmas eve no doubt.
Yep.
He could refuse to sign it but it would automatically become law after 10 days; read the Constitution. He could veto it and then the big ugly would be huge and his veto probably overrode.
then lets get to the big ugly.
Usurpation of the power of We The People needs to stop.
There’s an exception to that.
If Congress is adjourned at the end of that 10 day timeframe the executive can effectively kill it with a pocket veto as they cannot officially receive it back and pass it without a 2/3rds vote. Congress will have to go through the entire process again with a new bill.
WE The People need to overwhelm his email on this topic.
What can we do? 1) share with friends & family. 2) Email your Congress critter & senators. 3) Share on social media. 4) Make a donation to the CTH!
we can also demand trump not sign onto it.
its curious we keep exempting him.
I’d like to see him use the pocket veto on it. No forewarning or discussion, simply just doing it.
And if Congress wants to make a big deal of it, he can just point directly to the 702 authorization that a lot of people hate within the monstrosity and say that if it is so necessary they can make a separate bill for it.
Sunlight is not in Congress’s interest. Given exposure and opportunity people are going to find more things to abhor within bills they sponsor.
Congress needs to be reminded, esp. the libs, how that will make finding the illegals in need of deportation, far easier.
There is a slight feature to that abomination…
EASIER WAY –
ASK Which TEAM is Their Favorite FOOTBALL TEAM ?
If They Answer – Atlético Nacional
You’ve PROBABLY got an Illegal
( THE BEARS… It’s a Toss Up )
for what its worth, supporting the CR process in lieu of a real budget where we get to know exactly what “our representatives” support, is not MAGA, and it never has been.
sneaking things into it, and trying to force each others hands with political bludgeoning, is why those select few, most of whom are thrown under the bus for it, refuse to support the CR kick the can down the road nonsense.
Does Rand Paul happen to be amongst the “select few” who have occasionally thrown down the gauntlet? Don’t be fooled. This is properly termed political grandstanding aka “controlled” opposition.
They do it to look good, knowing perfectly well that whatever they protest will pass, regardless. If these “select few” really gave a fig about our Constitutional Republic they would call a recess to allow our MAGA president to finally appoint his own cabinet. Not one of them will do that, even though it only requires one Congressman to call a recess.
Not a one, in any of President Trump’s two terms, will do that. “Select few” my bupkis.
We all know that between the House and Senate GOPe leadership they will push to reauthorize Fisa 702. And I have no doubt it will pass again. There is no America First in Congress, only Me First. Screw our Republic and it’s citizens.
For this the GOPe will twist arms, not so much to protect President Trump or his supporters.
“…the Palantir/IC and Tech Bro collaboration could hit a brick wall”
Oh what a tangled web we weave…
One would think that under a Trump administration this is not a real threat. The truth is we suffered through 8 years of Obama, and then the vegetable puppet Biden. We have watched conservatives and Christians be deplatformed, debanked, some jailed, business and lives ruined, some even killed.
If we don’t stop 702, we are admitting that we want to live in a surveillance state much like Communist countries with no right to privacy, no right to conduct our affairs as we see fit, no right to free speech, etc. It’s a very dark path.
I don’t admit that, never have, never would. A second US revolution may be the only way to stop all this.
Every day another attack on our constitution surfaces.
In every instance the defenders are out numbered ,out gunned, surrounded by traitors ,marginalized by the press and undermined by an army of Rinos lead by scum like miss Linsey.
With a fraction of the money Peter Thiel made from palantir in the last six months he can buy every member of Congress and their families.
Behind every attack on our country by the enemies from within there is another Peter
Thiel .
Sorry if i misspelled his name ,I am too disgusted to look it up.
Can anyone give me some insight as to how this could possibly end well ?
The country I love so much is slowly dying and it is causing me to have a cloud of deep sadness surrounding me.
I am sure I am asking this question on behalf of a great many treepers who would like some incite on the situation
I am not trying to be negative ,just searching for some light at the end of the tunnel.
Believe in the Light. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
If Republicans love money – why does it seem most people stealing taxpayer money are democrats?
Republicans hide it better. Look at Lindsey? Speaking of, who has been very quiet lately…
The republicans are paid to look the other way. Or outright assist.
The democrats use the money they steal to fund their power plays.
It has always been thus.
Democrats are sloppy and stupid. They do stupid things that are easily discovered, like stealing Covid funds. Republicans hide their theft better by engaging in laundering and other methods. See Ukraine funding for reference.
NSA database….do you remember being admonished as a pre-teen not to do anything in public school that might be put on your “permanent record”…?
Turns out that the NSA database is that permanent record.
And all those taxes on our utility bills…from Cable/Internet to our electric smart meters…to our smart phones and our loyalty cards….is that how TPTB get paid?
Asking for a broke friend…still healthy…
Something to consider, beyond 702 databases are many other databases that keep all of our information.
For instance, I just asked Alexa what the temperature is right now. It told me, and then proceeded to ask if I was interested in hearing about a potential re-order.
Sure, tell me.
You might need to re-order the following supplement. Alexa went on to specifically tell what supplement, mg amount, capsule count, and price.
So, Big Tech in cahoots with our benevolent IC, offers many a work around from one big 702 database with all their many databases of our consumer spending habits alone.
Doing what I often do best/s…
When Alexa first came out, there was ‘controversy’ about how it was thought it would listen to us, invisibly, behind the scenes….and all of us that had that fear, were phoo phoo’d as being conspiracy nuts…
And here we are.
There were concerns about the ‘smart TV’ too…so who’s to say our phones are not little snitches or stool pigeons?
How often do you think people with access to NSA data use it to illegally enrich themselves and their evil friends? “Confidential” conversations between 2 CEOs discussing a merger or acquisition for example, could be mined for and used to play the market. It’s a big club….
President Trump should refuse to sign it. If he does sign it it should be under the condition that they remove the exemption for Congress so they can illegitimately spy on everybody.
If you think for a nanosecond that the NSA et al aren’t spying on Congress and simply not telling them, then I have a bridge to sell you.
All happening under GOP control of all three branches…
702 likely extended…cashless (programmable crypto)…Universal Digital Identity…all data in the cloud…10,000 of Musk’s low earth communication satellites running 6g…quantum computing…AI controlling all of it..
All operational by 2030 or soon after…
What could possibly go wrong?
Thank you Sundance for all you do
To me, FISA-702 is a symptom of the disease in a dying Republic. When elections become corrupt, the politicians insulate themselves from the people they are supposed to represent, and lo and behold they are exempting themselves from the illegal behavior of the Deep State and not giving a darn about the constituents who pay their salaries.
BUT thank God that the Founding Fathers were students of theology and history, and wrote the 4th Amendment to protect us from a rogue government. I believe that Trump’s Miraculous win in 2024 is giving us the chance to have a rebirth of freedom in our 250th year so we can enjoy another 250 instead of falling apart like Rome. Keep praying. The Deep State’s walls can fall like Jericho.
One other point. The Real ID came about because CA was giving drivers licenses to illegals like candy and letting people change their sex and other info. The Feds said that wouldn’t fly for interstate travel so they created the Real ID. CA took over a decade to acquiesce. When I got my real ID, I showed the same documents as I did as a teen, SSN and birth certificate. Real ID may seem nefarious if you live in a state that doesn’t give out fake ones, but it is not. I wish more Californians would get it as it would make it easier for Duffy to root out the 17k+ illegal alien semitruck drivers AND the 2 million + drivers licenses given to illegals.
There is one component to “real” ID that you may have missed, and that is the facial recognition part. I suspect that when they stand you in front of their camera and direct you *not* to smile, that’s a clue this is no ordinary ID.
Brave AI search, from Machiavelli’s book, The Prince:
“Niccolò Machiavelli’s political philosophy, particularly as articulated in The Prince, suggests that rulers may need to employ immoral or illegal actions—such as deceit, violence, and breaking promises—to maintain power and ensure state stability. He argues that a political leader must be willing to use such means when necessary, as the ends, particularly the preservation of the state, can justify the methods. “
Why has this not been challenged in federal court for 4th Amendment violations?
In a sideways approach, it was challenged…. unfortunately, incorrectly.
The federal government would have lost, if the argument was framed correctly. The judge found the DOJ use of FISA702 violated the Fourth Amendment in this case.
FOLLOW LINK
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/01/24/edny-judge-finds-clear-and-compelling-evidence-of-fisa-702-backdoor-search-violations-by-doj/
https://www.aclu.org/documents/section-702-memorandum-and-order-u-s-v-hasbajrami-11-cr-00623-ldh
The whole thing has to go. The reasoning behind it is ridiculous. The United States never was and never will be in serious danger of destruction from third world terrorists. The threat of terrorism was never a legitimate reason to develop this massive surveillance state spying on United States citizens.
All local telephonic communication should have to go through Sarah.
SD, did you ever make it to the conference you mentioned? I’m sure peopling side are aware. This stuff really scares me.
God help us stop the reauthorization, my simple human imagination doesn’t see the way.
This is my hill also. This is primary-able.
I don’t know when Sundance’s view on FISA and all changed but I’m glad it did.
Some years ago, he stated something along the lines of “in the right hands [it] is useful/important powers…” To that I was aghast and responded repeatedly “There are no RIGHT HANDS. Even if Jesus himself were in charge of such powers, term limos or some human limitation would ensure that this power gets into the wrong hands eventually.”
This government was founded on the recognition that there are no RIGHT HANDS in which to place absolute power. It then went on to FORBID the government from restricting some very specific freedoms. And yet we live under government which has violated that very clear bill of rights which the courts agree there should be SOME exceptions. The constitution provides exceptions! It’s called PROBABLE CAUSE and DUE PROCESS.
Agreed, the average Congressman is pretty dopey, but even they are not so dopey that they do not understand this!
They seek to go along to get along with the IC. They already have their hands full, with unruly constituents, the last thing that they want is for the IC to stab them in the back with a manufactured transgression, or a mini color revolution.
Once DJT either repatriates, or imprisons all of the terrorists, criminals, narco terrorists, radical Muslims, mental defectives, Marxist extremists and other assorted America haters that are here illegally, what is the justification for 702? IMHO the no-borders crowd was co-opted and encouraged by the IC, in order to justify the implementation of their Stasi tactics. But, these aforementioned miscreants are not the actual target. The Uniparty fear American citizens. Sure, they fear political outsiders, like Richard Nixon and DJT, but it’s the people, themselves, that they fear most and they want to be able to denigrate, spy on, infiltrate, or destroy any grassroots leaders, or organizations, that could pose a thereat to the Uniparty and their cozy relationship with the IC.
Also, a lot of things would change for the better in this country, if we had a Constitutional amendment that sez that Congress must not exempt themselves from the misery that they routinely visit upon the American people. But, the Uniparty can not allow a Constitutional convention, the TEA party, MAGA, TPUSA, or any other groups that could gain traction with the American people thereby threatening the status quo in Washington. All of these groups must be destroyed and 702 shenanigans is a key tool in their tool box.
EDIT: For some reason quotes are not working today.
Sundance,
I’m writing this as much for the particular someone in the White House who recently reached out to ask who’s leaking. Since they’re already reading along, here’s something worth carrying back upstairs.
If January’s IAA/NDAA fight is going to decide the shape of the next four years, then FISA-702 has to be on the short list of non-negotiables. That’s the gatekeeper statute. Leave it in place, and the entire surveillance machinery stays exactly where it is. Remove it, and the whole apparatus loses its legal spine.
If our quiet reader wants to be useful, they can make sure Susie Wiles treats the 702 sunsets as a must have in that January package. Don’t use it as a bargaining piece. Make it an actual line in the sand. If this isn’t handled now, the moment won’t come again for many years.
Since they’re already following along with CTH, they might as well take the important part with them.
They’ll keep using it. They used it before it was “created” after 9/11. They were using it before the general public knew it existed but some knew it as “Echelon.” It was brought to light when all of these closets and secret/undocumented rooms were installed at telcos around the country. Most of the people who worked there had NO IDEA what they were there for and on occasion, they would run a “scream test.” A scream test is where no one knows why this thing is there and no one knows who uses it. So it’s powered down or disconnected in some way to see who screams about it. Turned out, it was “government” with guns who wouldn’t identify themselves.
That was some 35+ years ago when the discussions were being held about what the F was going on.
If they lose the LEGALIZED power to do it, they will continue doing it. If all of those closets and rooms were shut down, the same guys would appear to turn it back on again. GUARANTEED.
“If warrantless searches of the NSA database are legally stopped or no longer authorized, the gate closes…”
If they ARE “legally stopped”, we’ll simply be here talking about how they broke the law.
They won’t quit. Ever.
They will if we push it hard. Courts, “turning things off”/disconnecting things, OMG (OKeefe Media Group) needs to get whistleblowers/tipsters on this.
They haven’t been met with sufficient resistance. It’s time we gave it to them.
FISA-702. The current authority expires in April of 2026.AND should be ENDED in April. I want my Constitunial rights restored to me as a itizen of the United States.
Thank you Sundance. I join you on this hill. There are many many many other “fleas”standing with you before the furnace. I do believe our indignation is righteous. May divine providence continue smiling on our nation!
I will not comply, if they grab my communications, as I am sure they do, seeing as I was at the forefront of the Tea Party, and I refuse to REAL ID, and was a charter member of Gab, and I run a securely encrypted server, and the fact I just don’t give a flying jump at a rolling doughnut,,,,,,,,,I will not bend the knee to them,,,,,I will exercise all of my rights
“camel’s nose under the tent “
Wut? Never heard this analogy before. Any ‘splainin’ on this one?
Funnily enough it’s Arabic in origin.
Point is, the rest of the camel will soon follow if you allow it to stick it’s nose under the tent.
In laymans terms it’s about pushing and exceeding boundaries if you don’t stop the smaller intrusions.
There was some value in tolerating surveillance in order to edumacate the surveillers, but now they have AIs that are advanced enough to filter out mind anti-virals and do the bureaucratic work technologically, without human assistance.
We need emissaries now, just as Trump does.
Did it get us Hillary’s emails? Why do we need it at all?
Sundance, you speak as though legality of searches has ever stopped any of them. I’m sorry, but I disagree. Legal or not, they will continue to collect and use the data against us. Remember, there are trillions at stake.
The only way to stop this is to get active, hostile Congressional oversight, which will never happen because Congress has been thoroughly corrupted.
That’s easy. Remove CONgress’ plan to exclude themselves from Fisa-702 searches. Then search them all. That will soon bring this constitutional breach to a screeching halt!
E v e r y o n e reading this needs to write their politicians in DC and ask them where they stand on FISA 702. A bullet question. Play your cards close to your vest. Demand an answer pro/con. If the pol is con, volunteer for their next campaign event or two. If not, get at least a dozen like minded people and form a club, give it a name and invite the pol to speak at a Club Meeting the next time they return to your district. Ambush the living daylights out of the pol in the meeting’s Q&A and have the phone cameras running. Immediately offer the info to all media/news services in your area. Next offer the data to the adversary pol in you district. If they are pro removing FISA 702 start campaigning for them.
This authorization runs counter to the 4th amendment and we have seen blatant and gross trespassing on American citizens to include congress and the President.
This needs to be squashed
Either 702 for ALL Americans or NO Americans. Congress should NEVER exempt themselves unless they are looking to nationwide recall elections. 702s are simply WRONG. Democrats will fight for them because they have Jebbo Bobsberg still in control of the Fedcrimecourt. That one court authorized more unConstitutional, criminal and unAmerican activity than any other entity in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!!!
I’m living in 2001: A Space Odyssey. HAL is FISA-702. Sorry, <insert your name here>, I can’t let you do that. HAL is ‘the continuity of government. It overrides everything, all those that serve in the government, whatever the branch, and, most importantly, the Constitution/Bill of Rights. If there is a way out of this short of revolution, someone tell me. Otherwise, we can wring our hands all we want but FISA-702 is not going away. Ever.
We all remember Johnson……I am against FISA 702’s ……..after being briefed by our honest IC suddenly changes his mind.
“FISA” is not “a Court.” The accused is not represented and has no idea that anything is going on. Only the accuser, who is the Government. This is nothing more than an empty attempt to attach legal legitimacy – of which there is none.
The entire system is a direct and express violation of the plain language of the Fourth Amendment. In fact, it is for precisely this reason that the Amendment was created.
But, today people are constantly confronted with “unreasonable search.” Your license plate and your face are constantly being “scanned.” Your phone is constantly transmitting data about exactly where in the world you are. There is nothing about “the place to be searched” (everywhere), nor “the things to be seized” (everything).
Trillions at stake!