To understand the dynamic, it is necessary to remain elevated and unemotional as the confrontation takes place.
The U.S. Senate currently has two issues of great importance to President Trump within their upper chamber. The first is the Big Beautiful Bill (a reconciliation spending and budget plan). The second is Senate positioning on sanctions against Russia and support for Ukraine. Both are of great importance when you consider the domestic and geopolitical ramifications.
President Trump wants the BBB structurally passed and doesn’t care about the nibbling on the edges or customary Christmas Tree decorations (special interest add-ons). Trump wants the Term-1 tax cuts extended and the border security money, these are must haves.
On the Ukraine/Russia stuff, Trump basically wants the Senate to back away from doing anything that influences his leverage positions for a resolution he will construct. However, President Trump knows the Senate fully supports the proxy war aspect to the conflict (he doesn’t).
Trump has remained relatively quiet on Ukraine-Russia because he doesn’t want to antagonize the Senate who will use their affirmative votes for BBB as leverage to maintain the proxy war and support Ukraine. That’s the background on the BBB, Russia, Ukraine and Trump’s position.
Into this foray comes the always self-interested and short-sighted Elon Musk who -despite being an influence asset at times- has the most annoying habit of never considering the downstream consequences for his selfishness.
As Musk rails against the BBB, which took 14 months of work from the House to get across the line he runs the risk of collapsing the BBB in the senate.
The longer the BBB sits in the Senate and/or gets changed so much it will take forever to get through the House again; the longer Trump has to bite his tongue on solving the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Musk in his infinite selfishness, cannot see how he is doing real damage to Trump’s objective around Russia by stirring up opposition to the BBB. Things were getting ugly yesterday and became more so today.
Steve Bannon does not learn about the story of Elon Musk having a physical confrontation with Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent without Trump saying he wants to hit back against Musk. The subsequent leak to Bannon is made, the story is told to the Dail Mail and Elon Musk is now facing the ire of a pissed off White House.
…[…]” Former Chief Strategist Steve Bannon told DailyMail.com that Musk’s turbulent time in the White House was marred when he physically ‘shoved’ 62-year-old Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent after he was confronted over wild promises to save the administration ‘a trillion dollars’. ‘Scott Bessent called him out and said, ‘You promised us a trillion dollars (in cuts), and now you’re at like $100 billion, and nobody can find anything, what are you doing?” the prominent MAGA figure revealed. ‘And that’s when Elon got physical. It’s a sore subject with him. ‘It wasn’t an argument; it was a physical confrontation. Elon basically shoved him.'”
The revelation of a confrontation between the pair was confirmed by White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Friday. (source)
Secretary of State Marco Rubio knows the strategic stakes here and there’s no love lost between Rubio and Musk after Elon told Rubio he wasn’t cutting enough people at the State Dept.
Keep in mind, Marco Rubio was chair of the senate select committee on intelligence and a Gang of Eight member since day one of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Rubio was briefed on all the covert activities being carried out in Ukraine by the CIA and Pentagon. That’s why when Secretary of State Marco Rubio told media months ago that “Ukraine was a proxy war for the United States against Russia,” it was jaw-dropping. If anyone would know the receipts, it’s the former Chair of the SSCI.
Both Marco Rubio and President Trump have been mostly silent and very measured in their comments about Russia after the Ukraine attack on the Russian nuclear-capable bombers. Both Rubio and Trump know the Senate control of the BBB right now is bad timing for their solutions to the Ukraine-Russia war that the Senate will not like.
Quite simply, Elon Musk is screwing all that stuff up with his anti-BBB rants and unhinged ravings, that are supported and fueled by the same voices who want to diminish the power and influence of President Trump.
The issues are not just about the BBB, Elon Musk is mucking up the entire geopolitical agenda. WATCH:
BREAKING: President Trump Speaks Out About Elon Musk Opposition to the Big Beautiful Bill pic.twitter.com/H0gOtYL7me
— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) June 5, 2025
Interesting that Musk has become so vocal.
Likely Musk is letting it be known that he is available to the highest bidder.
I don’t think it’s all about money with Elon Musk. It is about his ideology, which is skewed, and the leverage he needs to further his own agenda.
What else can we expect from a transhumanist hell bent on neurolink?
Like Sundance says, Democrats (like Musk) use money to further a radical political agenda and Republicans use politics for the goal of making money.
If Musk had offered his own rebates or discounts or loyalty programs to his customers (with his own money instead of giving it to Republicans) he would not have to rely on “government” subsidies. No corporate welfare for a $100,000 automobile! Elon made an enemy of the left, long before President Trump came along. That is not our fault. He needs to pick a lane and stay in it. Democrats will gouge both his eyes out like the predators they are and won’t even eat the meat.
There’s something slightly more to it than transhumanism. He believes we are living in a simulation. There’s a lot of people who believe they can “soft hack” the system of the simulation. I’ve looked into it. It amounts to similar ideas like karma, positive thought framing reality and all of that. At a biochemical level, it makes sense to me. But biochemistry is WITHIN the simulations parameters if there was such a thing. Instead, it appears he wants to see things like neurolink become the way to break out of the simulation and even hack it more directly.
The problem with tech like neurolink is that it attempts to connect to the brain which isn’t ANYTHING like a computer. Sure, there are signals and pathways which are measurable and mappable, but the thing is, no two brains are identical and no two maps can be the same. And the brain can and will route around “the damage.” There are people today functioning perfectly fine with a fraction of the amount of “brain” that most people have. There are people missing half of their brain (one side or the other) who manage to continue walking on two legs and operating both hands. Trauma always changes a person but the split-brain theory is only accurate to the point that it’s merely redundancy like having two kidneys. Anyway… too much technical rambling. The brain will see neuralink devices as damage and WILL route around it. It’s the very nature of the organ and obviously so.
Musk doesn’t have a radical political agenda. He is clearly “high” on his own sense of self-importance and it was hammered home when he got Trump to address the South Africa problem which is QUITE personal to him.
Democrats LOVE making money. They just prefer to lie about it and hope their supporters never notice that while they SAY “one house is enough for anyone” they actually have a dozen houses! That said? As Democrats go?
As Democrats go, Trump is a pretty good Democrat. His policies and ideas would be GREAT and applauded in the Bill Clinton era because they weren’t all that different at the time. He just knew he couldn’t get elected as a Democrat because Hillary was running. So he went Republican. Don’t kid yourself about political identity. It’s never really about that. It’s about true intentions and true beliefs. And I believe Trump’s intentions and beliefs are as pure as I have ever seen.
Well, he has a lot less of it after this nonsense. TSLA down over 10%
Most of us here were leery of Elon’s too close proximity to POTUS. Both men are geniuses in their own right but Elon is a malignant narcissist fueled by his drug use, and his shortsighted personality disorder. It’s his way or the highway.
Trump thinks long term, he a natural born citizen/patriot and has a country to save, Elon has no allegiance to America only to himself.
Once again we are experiencing people not American born whether it be billionaires or illegals that take everything they can get from our bounty.
Musk is throwing a hissy fit because someone told him “no.”
THIS. 100%!
i would add also I don’t think the “President Musk” went over very well with Trump and at the same time I think it went over extremely well with Elon..perhaps too well and maybe he even began to act like he “bought the presidency” and had carte blanch’ …. that’s a ton of “Friction” on a daily basis and probably did not sit well with Trump.
With all that President Trump already has to deal with, this he did not need.
Hard for a billionaire who has said it’s pretty easy for him to send up one rocket after another because “if it blows up, ” we can always send another. That is why we can work faster and better than government at this sort of stuff.”
He seems not to appreciate that political “blow ups” usually don’t result in successess.
Kind of clunky effort by Elon to reclaim his liberal customer base after they ditched him and Tesla for helping President Trump.
The guy may be smart, but he’s all thumbs with finesse and devoid of appreciation. Used to be guys like this didn’t go far lugging around the “jerk” label
He got a taste of power and influence. He’s already had a really big head in that sense. But now he has reached THE WHITE HOUSE and the mainstream media. Now he thinks anything he says is powerful. I really wish I could break it to him but it’s not. Not at all. What matters about what he says is its usefulness. And this time, it’s useful to the WRONG Frikken People.
That is what happens when you let the Camel get a look under the tent. Musk right now feels he is bigger than the Presidency. PDJT may have to put him in his place and di it ASAP.
Done.
I think he always has. For all his strengths, Elon would be where he is if he weren’t a “Thiel Boy”. Neither would JD and Vivek. It has been hard for me to genuinely trust any of the “three amigos”.
Love Musk but this is one I don’t get. WTF is the point he’s making by publicly expressing this crap? On top of encouraging the RINOs in the Senate, the legacy media is eating this up. If he’s playing 4D chess, which I doubt, it’s going over my head
Musk has always been Musk first. The bill doesn’t include special carve-outs for his pork, so he’s mad. He’s a billionaire autist, not a politician, so he doesn’t care if it all burns down as long as he gets what he thinks is owed to him.
Musk was mad because funding was reduced for his EV initiative. he’s a spoiled brat.
What I see is he worked his ass off and proved major cuts were available but nobody would do it. He was given an honorary position because he got Trump over the line now Trump washes his hands of him, a practice he does over and over. Now, his voice is loud to do what everyone said they wanted but nobody will.
The Don likes to be the deal maker, make deals and let Elon make cuts. A beautiful marriage, but Trump needs to see his value and his power. Elon can do miracles, he is a proven attribute. I have no idea what Trump is doing on this we all voted for the democrat machine to be defunded and when Elon shows us how Trump balks?
Russia is pissed, China is pissed, Iran is pissed, Canada, Europe, cut all funding for wars, and DEI support, kill off the democrats money and let’s finish this. You have one shot at this.
Seriously, I voted for a nuclear option not a lady finger threat. Cut it all and see who falls, you can always add you may never get another chance to cut.
People voted Trump not Musk.
I tend to agree.
We have 1 shot at this. A remarkable moment in 5 decades.
I believe the BBB has pork galore, and I conjure, truly, it was designed almost to be defeated.
Imagine after the BBB is defeated we run into October without a CR….you know the routine….the GUMMINT will shutdown! The sky is falling !
Fine. Let’s do it for once ! the Democrats and Rinos will be stranded. Utterly de-uttered.
Thence, Only truly important, truly agreeable across Party lines funding bills then can be offered and agreed to. As it always should have been.
Single bills, single authorized funding, single votes.
Let the evil congress people out themselves for all to see if they vote NO to completely sane and honorable bills.
It might take a few months of work (heaven forbid) voting every day on a single bill of funding….
but these congress critters need a hot poke in the wrong place.
BTW
NPR and PBS and a dozen of other nasties will NOT get a frickin’ nickle if this were the process.
Please educate yourself and learn the difference between a reconcilliation bill and an appropriation bill and the processes involved.
Elon effed this up, not POTUS.
I don’t think Musk is capable of 4D Chess. He has his own self-interests that override his intellect. He is focused on Starlink, Mars, and his space missions. I think President Trump had it right: when President Trump decided on someone other than Musk’s choice for NASA, that made Musk angry.
I heard that there are many things in the BBB that do not support Musk, the biggest one is he is not getting favorable tax cuts he wanted and it is going to cost him millions and millions of $’s.
Millions and Millions $ is peanut change in the long run.
100’s of millions and 10’s of billions, well, that’s a different annoyment.
I hazard there is something else afoot, and we do not know what that is.
And FOX/CNN/WaPO etc won’t uncover it.
Don’t wait on them, and certainly don’t consider or believe their contorted “explanations”
which of course will come from Experts.
EVs shouldn’t be getting an favorable tax treatment. These vehicles need to stand on their own, not on Uncle Sam’s shoulders.
Musk about President Trump: “such ingratitude”.
Musk seems to be under the impression that his support for Trump now puts him in the position of owning President Trump.
He should have been doing it for the good of the United States!
We let him become a citizen, he is the petulant puss that is ungrateful.
He didn’t specify POTUS with that: he could always say, “Congress.”
BINGO!!!
That’s exactly how his thought process works, he’s always been able to buy and sell people’s souls but not Trump.
What’s even more disgusting is people like Massie, Chip Roy, and others are seizing the moment for their own agendas.
Loyalty goes a long, long way with President Trump.
Well how would you feel as one of the richest and most powerful men in the world today and getting Trump to address the South Africa issue in front of the entire world humiliating the elected leader of South Africa? Not gonna lie, if I got a win like that? I’d feel pretty full of myself as well.
What they don’t realize, while Trump is MAGA, MAGA is way more than Trump.
Interesting. I am not surprised, but both Trump and Musk are very direct. Not similar in personality, but direct.
Elon is not America First. When people tell you who they are, believe them.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1872860577057448306?s=46
This temper tantrum by Musk, while maybe colored in his DOGE cuts not being codified, does put PDT in a far weaker position with both the BBB and the Ukraine farce. However, PDT is smart enough to deal with power hungry Senators like Ms Linda. Fairly sure PDT will trade off one or the other for a slight win. PDT could possibly agree to continue to support the Ukraine scam for X number of weeks/months in exchange for the Senators to stop dillydicking around and pass the BBB. This slack time of both the Ukraine farce and the BBB gives PDT time to identify and weed out the CIA/DOD trash who are undermining his agenda
He is a “Thiel Boy”. That alone diminishes my ability to get comfortable with him.
“Musk in his infinite selfishness, cannot see how he is doing real damage to Trump’s objective around Russia by stirring up opposition to the BBB.”
-Sundance
I STRONGLY disagree.
He most certainly can.
Moreover, his pattern shows he explicitly gained inner access to Trump in order to be a disrupter and an agent of sabotage. DOGE did not and has not delivered on what was promised.
The picture used above in this post is perfect. Sundance has called it SPOT ON re: Musk going back when he and Trump first started circling one another. It is curious that Sundance would now say Musk “cannot see” what he is doing.
It is always very frustrating for a .com person to try and become (even temporarily) a .gov person. Musk might have over-promised on the savings estimates but only because he just doesn’t understand bureaucrats and/or bureaucracy in general.
The problem also increases when the obstacles to “cuts” end up evenly being split between Dems and Repubs.
It is a challenge to us all when you try to get control of the deficit while seeing the cuts being drowned by insane spending. A trillion in Defense spending is truly insane and even more so when you realize it has nothing to do with defense – only offense.
It is not all Musks fault, The Donald’s carnival barking methods and complete lack of clearly defined goals are maddening to anyone with a calm analytical mind.
you’re welcome,
p
Musk being a rat is 100% Musk’s fault.
You’re welcome..
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Very well reasoned!
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IIRC, It was Musk who sought and cultivated a friendship with PDJT after the Bulter shooting.. Who used who???
Exactly so.
Lest anyone forget.
You mean a $2500 toilet isn’t all it was meant to be ?
To become a tool for a single purpose like that is pretty unimaginable if you think about it. He has relentlessly built one of the most impressive tech empires the world has ever seen.
As for DOGE, his job was to EXPOSE it all. It’s still Congress who allocates the money and while the White House has SOME ability to challenge the spending, it can’t all be clawed back and stopped. DOGE was about creating justification and to bring a much larger and more popular spotlight on an issue we’ve known about for our entire lives… adding only one detail most didn’t understand — NGOs. But now that the public knows more about how the grift works, it can be better addressed going forward.
If you thought DOGE was going to do anything on its own? I’m sorry you thought that. I don’t think Sundance ever thought that either.
“I’m sorry you thought that.”
I never thought that. So your projection is false.
And his tech empire? Is all about control, and placing a digital collar around the neck of every man, woman, and child on earth. Moreover, he has had a LOT of help behind the scenes and has not done it on his own.
“If you thought DOGE was going to do anything on its own?”
24,583 probationary Federal employees would disagree with you.
I know people complain about painting an issue with too wide a brush.
But I think every single NGO out there ought to be completely for all time cut off of Federal funding.
The private sector dummies and communists and Anti-America scum who wish to finance these beasts are still free to do so. Just please submit to an Audit once every year. Be honest even if you will be evil.
I have decided we should do away with all itemized deductions. Time to end govt picking winners and losers through the tax code.
A 60s TV Show always opened with “democracy is a bad form of government, but you must remember all
the others are so much worse”.
Fast forward 60 years==mix in the spectacular EQUITY==pour out the results to be lapped at: “representative
Democracy has long ago been buried. The Democrat Party has been turned to rubbish. The Republican Party
is now rapidly catching up to rubbish status. You must remember: The USA is now one of the Others are worse
trash pile of Rubbish”.
I’m guessing it took Elon the Man a split micro second to realize he was introduced to the ultimate level
of zeros and ones: IT’S ALL GARBAGE IN==AND GARBAGE OUT……IMHO he was right as per usual.
It’s a good thing we’re not a democracy then!
“A republic, if you can keep it”
Thanks for your reply. I would add, in this Mahvelous AGE of OPINION, where everybody
is ALWAYS RIGHT–ALL THE TIME, that the “can we keep it” ship was sunk long ago.
Replaced by a Gray Ghost Created Ship, who sails along feeding the Clapping Seals just
enough false and Rebels-as-Misfits Soylent Dream as is necessary to keep movin’ along.
This is meant with respect: glad to see your irrelevant word scramble,
regardless of it’s truth, seems to garner applause from the 10 words or
less enthusiasts.
So in 10, or 20, or 1000 words can I PLEASE receive some learnin’ on
the first word in UNITED STATES of AMERICA ?? Thanks in advance!
Another excellent analysis by SD.
I posted this in PP about Musk.
I actually think Elon Musk is behaving emotionally and this is not about emotions. It also does not bode well for a rapprochement. It’s difficult to reason when someone is stuck in emotions.
Much of what President Trump is trying to achieve was exceptionally well known. There is no duplicity here. The EV mandates were spoken of at length on the campaign trail.
President Trump also just mentioned that Elon was well aware of this bill’s contents and had been spoken to at length about it.
Here is Stephen Miller on Charlie Kirk’s show explaining the BBB.
Well worth a listen, go to 29:05 for the Miller part.
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1nAKEgQMEvlJL
Sundance, I think you are being too charitable towards Musk. He isn’t getting what he wants so he aims to blow up not just the BBB but Trump’s entire agenda. I doubt this is a one-shot temper tantrum. Musk’s a raging selfish narcissist who was only pretending to be altruistic to America First.
Told y’all so… I didn’t trust Elon from day one and I still don’t trust RFK JR, Lil Marco, or JD Vance. Usha Vance is acting like the First Lady doing so many events and speaking in public. It’s like JD and Usha are measuring the drapes for the Oval Office and White House. SMH
I am so with you there. Usha is a racist snob, her disdain for Trump was quite noticeable especially at the inauguration ceremony when Trump went down the line to shake hands with everyone, and she turned away.
I didn’t see that but I did see the snake gown she wore.
I agree. She is like Amy Barrett the Supreme Court Judge. Both disgusting fake people.
This story will last through to the Sunday morning talk shows and they will be on their high horse and then the horse will break a leg. Trump will be galloping on to his next battle with a canteen full of water.
JUNE 05 2025
Jewish Lullaby comes to mind.
Down $45 now.
See? When Democrats want to “Burn Tesla” that’s literally what they do. But when Republicans want to “Burn Tesla” this is what they mean.
Beware of pseudo conservative MAGA podcasts. The influencers are siding with Egor Musk.
Egor Musk is a grifter and he’s intentionally making things more difficult for our President. Egor is for himself and his self interests… PERIOD.
I voted for President Trump and he is navigating shark infested waters. I trust Trump’s instincts.
Now Musk has put out tweets/x’s that without Musk’s personal help Donald Trump would have lost the election.
I liked President Trump’s comment about some people, when they leave the presence of working around the White House they miss the glamor, and then in turn go negative once no longer in the center of things. Again, that’s a fig leaf of grace that President Trump is offering to Mr. Musk, whom, it seems prefers to continue on throwing his tantrum and can already imagine Sundance adding a crying Musk to the chart of people President Trump has broken.
Musk was elevated by Trump, not the other way around.
Wrong.
Musk positioned himself as saying Trump was the only logical choice. He had (and has) a big voice. He embraced Trump.
You seem to be claiming that Trump should not have returned Musk’s embrace, when there was no publicly obvious reason not to at that time (pre-election).
This is not Trump’s fault.
Maybe Musk is mad that the tax bill eliminates EV credits.
Also – that picture of Trump with Musk is absolutely terrifying. You captured it, Sundance.
I think Sundance God love him is a little to deep in the kool aid on this one. Trump makes mistakes, see AG Barbie and ICE Barbie. To me it would seem the logical thing to do would be to cap spending and use the DODGE cuts for petti cash. with the problem being the enacted DODGE cuts as someone else put it “are Cuts for ants” For sure there are many ways to fail. Making these cuts now when DJT has the power to do so is important because it builds trust in his follow through and the cuts will be less popular later. Musk has done amazing work unlike an actual politician he let himself become the bad guy to the left because he is not afraid to stand by his principals. The man is a valuable asset throw him away and DJT will be left with Johnson and Thune. Nether of whom will be making any waves.
Too deep?
Our Sundance??
Is there such a thing when we’re having to deal with political skullduggery and malignant machinations intended to assume complete control and worse.
Someone needed to volunteer to go there…
It’s how eyes are opened.
God bless him for it.
Not many dare to go as deep as SD. God bless him…
For those who thought the world we were living in was ticking along nicely, Diceanna, we needed someone to show us how wrong we were.
Uncomfortable? Distressing?
Yes to both.
But we can’t fight what we don’t see.
We needed someone to boldly show us and to lead us through the minefields. Nothing stays the same, and it does no one any good to pretend otherwise. We are where are. Time to secure our battle armour…
“For we fight not against flesh and blood…”
Keep The FAITH!
“Trust in The LORD…”
If you use Reason, you can return from any rabbit hole, instantly.
I think you have absolutely no idea what you are attempting to talk about.
Elon is just mad that the EV subsidies are not included in the BBB and because DJT said no to Elon’s democrat pal on running NASA. Add to that Bessent calling him out for vastly underperforming on the DOGE cuts, which prompted the unstable Musk to turn physical.
Remember Musk’s insane “f you in the face” X comment, because he just loves those H1B visas. Then him congratulating the CCP, or the transhumanism stuff. Musk is emotionally unstable and he is far from principled!
Will Rogan call Musk out on his podcast?
Or, will Rogan side with Musk?
my hunch is he will side with Musk
So did Scott Bessent give Musk the black eye…….?
LOL
Great question! 💥👊
I heard it was Rubio, the two got into it at a local bar.
Exactly this! ^^^^
The black eye angle to his departure is interesting based on the Steve Bannon intel that there was a physical altercation with Scott Bessent.
And the notable that President Trump also mentioned the black eye during the presser. Palace intrigue.
It certainly IS an interesting thing.. this mythical “being admitted to the club” eye/face damage thing. I can’t say it’s “not a thing” and it’s definitely rather convincing. But I still don’t really know about that…. definitely weird in an interesting way.
So shoving and temper tantrums when he doesn’t get his way?
President Trump is dealing with a toddler of adult years.
And one with a massive platform to air his grievances and a Big Club which will take advantage of it.
How do they get around that?
I’ve got nothing…
Stop the “mail in ballot” fraud and the Demoncrats and Rinos will instantly lose 30% of their numbers.
I pray that issue is being addressed quietly, resolutely, fervently.
Then the tech Scum (who have looted us all) will be forced to come to the table and play nice/FAIR.
They have played devious for 20 years.
Let’s add that the way the census is conducted must be corrected, Rick.
No illegals, criminals all, counted.
Blue states/”sanctuary” states would lose Congressional reps…and electoral votes.
Also I read PT pull the nomination of Musk’s buddy for the NASA position.
“The issues are not just about the BBB, Elon Musk is mucking up the entire geopolitical agenda”
Easy to do, since he does not read CTH.
Does CTH have a babe to use as bait that can get to him to set him straight?
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Well, that gal would surely have to be of child-bearing age, so . . .
Right, I’m out.
It might be easier to reach someone close to Mr. Musk’s orbit to relay the CTH message to him.
I told Nick Langworthy (R-NY) when I saw him at a meeting last autumn.
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Within his orbit?
Hmmm. Maybe Elon hit on Kai, and really pizzed off grandpa . . .
By “orbit” I was referring to co-workers, social acquaintances, friends of spouse/ concubines, etc.
I think if he had a predilection towards underage females, it would have been exposed a long time ago.
The age of consent in NYS is 17. However, I do not know why a grown man would want to date a woman that you could not buy a beer for until she was 21 (unless she is your wife).
Genesis 25:20 KJV
And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padan-aram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
Different time, different culture.
do you mean 15+ years old ?
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No.
I meant that this babe would not fit into that parameter.
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And further, I am unsure if there are many — or any — 15 year old CTH commenters . . .
Probably not. And since there are no hand raisers amongst us, perhaps I can be a stand-up. I still have game.
Perhaps we can pitch in to help you out with expenses if your willing to try to deliver the gospel of CTH.
If Sundance sets up dedicated payment link, we could avoid that go-fund-me dung and giving them 10%.
Good enough, I bring my game… CTH brings “Treeper Game.” 😎
Do we get to suggest what you will wear?
😂
Like many brilliant people what advantage he may have in intelligence is offset by what might be collectively called people skills or tact. It is incongruent to argue for more cuts while promoting government subsidies for EVs. The only explanation is that Musk suffers what most Leftists suffer from a manic fixation on their own infallibility. Musk served a purpose, his cameo is over.
Musk may be the CEO of several large companies, but the shareholds of the US voted Trump in to office.
https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/elon-musk-companies/
I think Trump is in charge of a bigger company.
Musk is a narcissist man/child who needs to be sent to his room for time out.Maybe he would have more advantages in his home country…
Brilliant but a child in many ways. I think President Trump was sort of a father figure to him and granddad to Lil X.
It’s why I think this is emotional on Musk’s part and unlikely to be resolved easily because of the emotions.
Musk should be careful. Which of his businesses is not dependent on good relationships with the Whitehouse?
Weird, I will Trump an A on the border and trade, but an F on fiscal responsibility.
I will NOT pretend that the reincarnation of the last Biden budget is a good bill! It’s total BS.
I never actually expected spending to be cut by either party; the unstoppable debt train rolls on. My guess is when they crash the system the next iteration of the monetary system will be a mandatory digital currency. I never expected to reach 37 TRILLION without a fiscal collapse.
I wonder what the tipping point will be? 50, 100 trillion?
Let’s just eliminate all taxes and just print the entire federal budget… never mind, that might be a bridge too far
They already print the budget. And the debt is well over 100 trillion if you expect Medicare and SS to continue in the future.
They plan to transition the currency to digital and erase their debts and any private wealth in the hands of the proles (90% of the population).
It’s baked in – a currency reset was always going to happen with central banking.
You are a defeatist if I ever read one. Shut up. Grow a pair.
Think about History of other foul (even more foul) moments. Or can’t you ?
We can win this one. But little people like yourself will have to be adult.
I’m surprised that he doesn’t understand that politics is the art of the possible.
The President is dealing with an executive branch that is largely hostile to the MAGA agenda. The ‘Republican’ Congress is ‘Republican’ in name only, with over 4/5ths being traitors, IC compromised, and useful idiots. Then there is the third branch, which has completely gone off its Constitutional rails.
I think many of us share his frustration with Congress, but these rants aren’t going to help.
If he wanted to help, he would fund serious primary challengers to replace the RINOs and Marxists with MAGA. That and do the same stuff the Soro’s has been doing in key State AG and election integrity offices.
This isn’t going to come down to a 100 billion or even 1 trillion dollar cut over 10 years in this next bill.
We are one stolen election away from Marxism, and one miscalculation away from WW3.
I’m glad that many are starting to see this globalist snake for who he really is. It was all good when the U.S. government keep his empire afloat with tax credits and H1B immigrants.
You’re making too much of this. Musk left the administration as planned. In the interim the lefts global hate machine targeted his premier brand – Tesla. Musk has to put distance between himself in Trump.
In the meanwhile the techboys plan to create the perfect surveillance states continues apace.
If that slows down, then we will know there is real tension, not staged narratives.
There are times when it’s best to just keep your opinions to yourself! (learned that the hard way over many years of shooting myself in the foot, when silence would have been beneficial in the long run).
Bannon has been anti-Musk since day 1, and doesn’t miss a chance to criticize him. I have not been a big Musk fan, but felt as though he had some positives to offer President Trump and the country. Just like I like RFK Jr., but not everything about what he says or does comes out right. He’s human, too.
Everyone has their plusses, minus’ and their own axe to grind.
It would be great if both Musk and Bannon would just shut up about the petty back-stabbing trash talk, and try to add some positivity to the dirty, nasty, scumming, disgusting and slimy business of politics.
I like what Musk was doing with DOGE and that he helped elect Trump. That said he seems to not be a team player overall and not in control of his temper, rash, and as Sundance said selfish/self-centered. Trump also has very limited control over the budget process and there’s a reason they always pass these huge bills and don’t do standalone bills…because they can all get what they want while not having to reveal their position on anything…they can hide.
That day needs to end yesterday.
Single issue bills. Single funding allocations.
Specific, detailed. Roll call votes.
Expose everyone who CLAIMS to be a “pubic servant” but is more likely a grifter.
IRS DOGE STYLE AUDIT of every single politician in the Congress.
Every year. What a fun event!
We have a YUGE TOLDYASO coming now🤣🤣😘
Let’s put aside the business/politics of all this and look at the personal…DJT pretty much invited Musk to be part of his inner circle/family..he included his mother and kid in all the Maralargo activities, etc. And now, when DJT is on the verge of getting a major piece of his MAGA legislation in, this ingrate pulls this crap? yeah, sorry, ultimate betrayal….Musk is a small minded man child…I am actually shocked he has managed to make his businesses as successful as he has…he doesn’t seem to have the temperament to be a good business man…the one thing about DJT is that he is always even keeled…Musk is an autistic man/child…with zero loyalty
Just realized we are watching in live action the difference between a VSG and a VUG, very stable genius vs very unstable genius.
Mr. Musk’s over the top reaction is clear indication of instability, not called for, and will only damage himself. Sad. but wow, what an opportunity to see the difference in real time.
I have long said the Republican Party cannot be repaired or reformed but that it needs to be replaced with a party of patriots. If it were a party of patriots then both problems could be properly addressed – the need for frugal and wise spending, balancing income and expenditure not running up huge debt, and not getting involved in wars but concentrating on law and order and secure borders at home. With the current lot of politicians I do not believe this achievable no matter how much the president does to fix important issues. Few among the present politicians will nail their colors to the flag of patriotism but support each other to further their own interests not those of the country.
Elon is right but he he doesn’t know politics or diplomacy because of his immense wealth. Unfortunately we are in the $40T debt bubble because of diplomacy and politics. If our politicians were more like Elon, we would probably live in a debt free society with a moon colony and the average family would be much wealthier. But in the path that our elites have chosen, the BBB and $45T in debt is our near term future.
Elon has been quiet for years about the debt under both Republican and Democratic administrations. We’ve had nothing but continuing resolutions and debt increases since the Obama administration. He was never concerned about it when he was an Obama and Democrat lover. People need some reflection on what Elon is all about. He’s a business man first and this is nothing but sour grapes.
I’m pretty sure Elon considers himself as a member of the elites.
I should have asked this earlier….
Why doesn’t someone ask Musk where he stands on the Ukraine debacle?
His guarded response would be informing.
If you ask the right question, you can get the right information.
I said in an earlier CTH post that Musk’s over-the-top outburst over BBB was less malice than stunted interpersonal skills!
Elon wants it his way or the highway…and because he’s usually dealing with people who work for him, his way usually holds sway!
Even in the salad days of the Trump-Musk bromance, the signs of Musk’s autistic tendencies have been there for anyone who wants to take a look!
To wit:
1) His ranting condemnation of ANYONE who disagreed with him on the H-1B visa program…even going so far as to imply that anybody who opposed H-1B was a racist! Later, he tried to walk it back but the damage was done!
2) His sudden virulent condemnation of Nigel Farage, after first strongly supporting him, because he wanted Farage to publicly condemn the jailing of Tommy Robinson. Farage and his Reform Party went on to win big and he is the leading candidate to be the next UK Prime Minister, so Musk’s rant accomplished nothing but to estrange him from the party he should be embracing!
3)And now his very public, entirely unnecessary, trashing of Trump’s BBB! Since Musk had open access to the White House any reasonable person would have aired his problems with the bill in private…
…but Elon Musk is NOT a reasonable person! Genius, yes…reasonable, no!
Nailed it.
Elon’s help with DOGE caused Tesla’s sales to slow. The big beautiful bill eliminates EV subsidies. These two things have Tesla’s sales slowing now and in the future.
He’s a businessman. The bill is obviously not in his business interest.
I have to ask this silly question.
At what point does making more money not matter ?
I have a brother in law who is certainly 2 or 3+ times wealthier than I….
yet he is more fixated on money than am I…
I don’t understand it.
I spend $10 with the same concern he spends $100.
Is it a badge of some sort ?
I believe most assume that Elon is on the spectrum, and that is why he sometimes (often?) does things that make us go “wha?” He just doesn’t get the social or political niceties sometimes. Perhaps there is someone within 47’s inner circle who can take him aside and explain to him that he should keep quiet. Yes, this budget bill is not what we ultimately want, but as Sundance points out there are larger issues to address at the moment that take priority. There is always next year. Elon is making the political mistake of going crazy over individual balls and strikes, and creating an internal team squabble that will be exploited by our adversaries.
Lest we give Musk too much credit, consider where he would be today if Peter Thiel had not “anointed” him and gave him access to the MIC and IC and their intellectual property.
I like what Elon has done overall for MAGA but the H1B debate really exposed him for what he is: a transhumanist who sees people as interchangeable items that are to be eventually replaced by machines and nations as simply groups of foreign mercenaries brought in to push GDP up.
His loyalty ultimately is to the idea of America, not the actual country and its people.
… welp! I asked for it and I got it. Sundance presented a CLEAR and easy to understand analysis and review.
Now I think it’s time to start burning Teslas.
OK, I’m kidding about the burning of Teslas but you get the message in the sense that I’m now changing my position on Musk.
It’s not MUCH of a change in the sense that I knew what he was. He’s rather like me only far more ambitious and successful. But what does surprise me is how much influence they PRETEND he has. He doesn’t, actually.
The Senate has just jumped when they saw something that LOOKED like a chink in Trump’s armor. That’s the real problem and Musk absolutely created it.
I’m still not on Twitter or X and still never expect to be. Not buying a Tesla. I thought maybe for my wife and getting a used one for her short range driving… maybe. But not now. There are probably better options for that anyway. I see this over-powered tech as a huge part of the decline of the USA, actually and I’m a “pro” in tech. I do NOT endorse how far into “too far” we’ve gone and it’s getting worse.
So I was never strong on Musk. I was definitely entertained! No lie there. But this sort of clumbsiness makes him hard to take seriously.
And again… I see him as a much more successful version of me. I would probably be JUST as clumbsy if not worse! And I KNOW that! Which is why I’m not on Twitter/X in the first place. I know I’m quite and idiot when I get revved up. So I try to avoid that and if I do, limit the scope/scale of damage. Musk isn’t like that AT ALL. But he helped create the coolest tech we’ve seen in our lives so far. Let him exit the political stage…
Calmer heads need to prevail and people need to shut up.
Yes. Musk needs to shut up. However, he can not.
I am extremely disappointed in Musk like Sundance. I too have been worried about his lack of Christian faith and wild sensual history with multiple women. Now we see this moral vacuum being displayed as Musk risk destroying the vary candidate he helped get elected!! Very sad to see indeed.
Perhaps Musk has just overwhelmed his mental capacity with so many activities-cars, space X, AI, DOGE, etc. His conversion to Christ would be massive game changer for this confused genius. I will pray for his conversion and discernment.
Here’s the thing Musk did highlight the cuts and recisions needed. Beyond that self-serving and protecting Tesla.
Musk and Trump are playing the media once again. Musk needs to distance himself from Trump to save his companies, he needs to appear to go against Trump to get the favor of the media. Once the media agrees with Musk position he will then be the glamor boy of the left for his companies survival.
Musk has a CEO man-in-charge kind of look on life. Not too different from Trump, but a lot different from most everyone in DC, whether in or out of the administration. His comment to Rubio was probably fully justified, but it’s not the way things are handled in DC. Musk wants more cut and thinks the BBB is BS. A great many of us share that opinion. But Sundance is also right that the bill is but one of a number of competing priorities for Trump and to get all of what he wants these priorities will have to be realized in the right order and maybe he will have to agree to things he doesn’t like in order to get most of what he does. That is not Musk’s outlook or concern, and in that sense Musk is acting selfish and childish. It was great to have him around to get DOGE up and running and to show the way, but it is now great to have him return to his corporations and get on with his own business.
I’ll say this – if Trump can get the tax cuts made permanent and gets the border security money and changes he wants, and is able to keep the war-mongers at bay while doing it, then Trump needs to turbocharge his own CEO man-in-charge way of doing things and force ever-greater cuts in the next budget and deeper cuts to the federal workforce and make Musk and the rest of us happy in the process. I am glad Trump is there, because not too many could endure the balancing act that is necessary right now and still end up on top, and I think he will end up on top over all those who oppose him.
All fine and dandy.
But serious serious serious attention needs to be applied to mail-in ballot fraud.
It can change an election that was clearly won to an election just narrowly lost.
Certainly the 12 million illegals will all try to cast mail-in ballots.
Not many of them for MAGA candidates.
Oh, and BTW
did you see the recent Michigan bitch SOS testify in Congress?
Sick. Sick. Vomit in the mouth sick.
She wants to be Governator of Michigan.
Get up and active and in their face.
Or start studying up on Sharia Law.
This is why there is only one dominant male lion in a pride.
Oh well, I guess Mars moves to the back burner of priorities for the next 4 years and no more pictures of Little X jumping around in the Oval Office.
Sundance, I respect you and appreciate the massive amount of time, energy and resources that you have poured into this fight since the beginning. I don’t recall exactly when I started following your site, but I have been a daily reader going back years, possibly all the way back to the days of Rathergate. So I say this with utmost humility, but you are wrong in this and I strongly disagree with your portrayal and perspective.
I am not an Elon fanatic, but judge him based on his actions so far, and regardless of whether Elon himself is doing this for “selfish” reasons (which I have a hard time believing considering the personal time, energy, and money he has already put into this), the larger point you seem to be missing (or purposefully glossing over) is that a he is voicing the same feelings that a **MASSIVE** number of America First patriots are feeling. People who have supported Donald Trump from the beginning (myself included), and we are done blindly swallowing whatever new bitter pill they’ve decided to shit out this time.
Were are the Epstein files? Where are the prosecutions and arrests? Where are the codified cuts to waste and fraud? Were is the REAL accountability for the massive weaponization of government against the American people?
We have been screwed over by Congress over and over again. We have been repeatedly lied to, gaslit, and played for fools by the Republican party, and we have finally reached our limit. We are screaming from the rooftops to CUT THE MF WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE!!!
It is a slap in the face to all of us who have been in the trenches fighting this battle for years, ESPECIALLY after the TRILLIONS of fraud, waste and abuse uncovered by Elon and DOGE, to see yet ANOTHER insanely irresponsible bill that adds TRILLIONS more to the existential threat that is our national debt, without any meaningful cuts to spending. Just more empty promises and kicking the can down the proverbial road.
Congress will not stop spending until WE THE PEOPLE say NO MORE!!! We are DONE with the lies, excuses, two-faced pandering, grifting and non-stop fecklessness of our elected representatives. Our government squandered any last shred of trust or goodwill we may have once had, or willingness to accept their BS yet again.
We’re not going to play by their rules anymore. Our entire Congress needs to be replaced from top to bottom and right now, Trump does not seem to be listening to what we are saying. If there is a split in the MAGA base, it is because we are once again being ignored and told to sit-down, shut-up and listen to our “betters”.
WE. ARE. DONE!!!