To understand the dynamic, it is necessary to remain elevated and unemotional as the confrontation takes place.
The U.S. Senate currently has two issues of great importance to President Trump within their upper chamber. The first is the Big Beautiful Bill (a reconciliation spending and budget plan). The second is Senate positioning on sanctions against Russia and support for Ukraine. Both are of great importance when you consider the domestic and geopolitical ramifications.
President Trump wants the BBB structurally passed and doesn’t care about the nibbling on the edges or customary Christmas Tree decorations (special interest add-ons). Trump wants the Term-1 tax cuts extended and the border security money, these are must haves.
On the Ukraine/Russia stuff, Trump basically wants the Senate to back away from doing anything that influences his leverage positions for a resolution he will construct. However, President Trump knows the Senate fully supports the proxy war aspect to the conflict (he doesn’t).
Trump has remained relatively quiet on Ukraine-Russia because he doesn’t want to antagonize the Senate who will use their affirmative votes for BBB as leverage to maintain the proxy war and support Ukraine. That’s the background on the BBB, Russia, Ukraine and Trump’s position.
Into this foray comes the always self-interested and short-sighted Elon Musk who -despite being an influence asset at times- has the most annoying habit of never considering the downstream consequences for his selfishness.
As Musk rails against the BBB, which took 14 months of work from the House to get across the line he runs the risk of collapsing the BBB in the senate.
The longer the BBB sits in the Senate and/or gets changed so much it will take forever to get through the House again; the longer Trump has to bite his tongue on solving the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
Musk in his infinite selfishness, cannot see how he is doing real damage to Trump’s objective around Russia by stirring up opposition to the BBB. Things were getting ugly yesterday and became more so today.
Steve Bannon does not learn about the story of Elon Musk having a physical confrontation with Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent without Trump saying he wants to hit back against Musk. The subsequent leak to Bannon is made, the story is told to the Dail Mail and Elon Musk is now facing the ire of a pissed off White House.
…[…]” Former Chief Strategist Steve Bannon told DailyMail.com that Musk’s turbulent time in the White House was marred when he physically ‘shoved’ 62-year-old Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent after he was confronted over wild promises to save the administration ‘a trillion dollars’. ‘Scott Bessent called him out and said, ‘You promised us a trillion dollars (in cuts), and now you’re at like $100 billion, and nobody can find anything, what are you doing?” the prominent MAGA figure revealed. ‘And that’s when Elon got physical. It’s a sore subject with him. ‘It wasn’t an argument; it was a physical confrontation. Elon basically shoved him.'”
The revelation of a confrontation between the pair was confirmed by White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt on Friday. (source)
Secretary of State Marco Rubio knows the strategic stakes here and there’s no love lost between Rubio and Musk after Elon told Rubio he wasn’t cutting enough people at the State Dept.
Keep in mind, Marco Rubio was chair of the senate select committee on intelligence and a Gang of Eight member since day one of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Rubio was briefed on all the covert activities being carried out in Ukraine by the CIA and Pentagon. That’s why when Secretary of State Marco Rubio told media months ago that “Ukraine was a proxy war for the United States against Russia,” it was jaw-dropping. If anyone would know the receipts, it’s the former Chair of the SSCI.
Both Marco Rubio and President Trump have been mostly silent and very measured in their comments about Russia after the Ukraine attack on the Russian nuclear-capable bombers. Both Rubio and Trump know the Senate control of the BBB right now is bad timing for their solutions to the Ukraine-Russia war that the Senate will not like.
Quite simply, Elon Musk is screwing all that stuff up with his anti-BBB rants and unhinged ravings, that are supported and fueled by the same voices who want to diminish the power and influence of President Trump.
The issues are not just about the BBB, Elon Musk is mucking up the entire geopolitical agenda. WATCH:
BREAKING: President Trump Speaks Out About Elon Musk Opposition to the Big Beautiful Bill pic.twitter.com/H0gOtYL7me
— RSBN 🇺🇸 (@RSBNetwork) June 5, 2025
So when Trump says he offered black-eye covering makeup to Elon, is that a literal comment or metaphorical?
What a shame … it was enjoyable watching PDJT & EM work and banter back and forth … as MAGA & DOGE worked in tandem these first 4 magnificent months for WeThePeople and the United States of America … PDJT hasn’t changed … and I can’t imagine anything worse than ego changing EM.
Then of course, to pacify my sad, I’ll just engage in my MAGA conspiracy theory … maybe this is what is necessary to save lives.
Might I add not only is he a malignant narcissist, and a man/child but a hypocrite too. He believes trans humanism is a “thing” yet he spreads his DNA around like Johnny Appleseed.
Elon intent on annoying 75% of the Country. Interesting.
Eh, God is in control of all of this. Sunlight is the best medicine. Even if someone like Elon is involved. Take heart, and fear not.
Now everybody will be keying Teslas. Lol.
I’m so pissed at this knucklehead, everything was going so well.
It was? You could’ve fooled me.
Posted this on the Massie-Musk thread yesterday, but it is relevant here too:
Musk is not a genius he is what some call an artificial entrepreneur who wins—not through merit or creativity—but because Musk receives government favors—subsidies, protective regulations, tax breaks, or public contracts. Musk’s success is politically-engineered, not market-earned. He is the largest private contractor for government. Musk’s companies combine innovation with massive state subsidies and public contracts. In each case, the line between entrepreneurial success and government engineering becomes blurry.
Musk was not a founder of Tesla, that honor belongs to Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Musk was hired by them as the 4th CEO. Per Tesla’s SEC filings they make their money selling government invented carbon credits to other companies, not selling cars, despite all the subsidies that have been poured on them and the EV market. In 2002 Musk launched Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) with the support of Michael Griffin, then president and chief operating officer of CIA investment firm, In-Q-Tel. But by 2008 Musk was flat broke. Despite considerable taxpayer funded investments, SpaceX was bankrupt.
Luckily for Musk, Griffin was by then the Administrator for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). In December 2008, NASA awarded Musk a $3 billion space station resupply contract. SpaceX hadn’t yet successfully launched a single rocket, but Griffin bailed it out anyway. (NASA is funded by US taxpayers.)
SpaceX is also indebted to the US Agency for International Development (USAID), as we know that pretends to be a charity. USAID is paying SpaceX handsomely to provide the Ukrainian military and Ukrainian citizens with access to SpaceX-launched Starlink, a satellite communication system. Safe to say, then, that Musk has had a very long working relationship with the US intelligence community—the CIA, in particular.
In an all stock deal Musk’s xAI acquired X creating XAI Holdings, which many are saying was done to have floundering X ride the AI financial wave, as supported by his Memphis data center, Colossus.
Investing in any one of Musk’s companies isn’t about a quick return on investment. It’s about buying into the mysticism around Musk and swallowing whole a narrative of success that outpaces the actual numbers. Some call it a grift, pointing to Musk’s history of overpromising and underdelivering. All of Elon’s companies today are basically one company, Elon, Inc.
The internet and many of the major “Big Tech” firms that dominate it wouldn’t exist in their current form were it not for the considerable development efforts and monies that have been invested in them by governments—most notably their intelligence agencies.
Getting a tap on the shoulder from Peter Thiel has paid huge dividends for Musk. He is a “made man” of the deep state, hardly a “self made man”.
It was BS then and it’s BS now. A copy and paste from Democratic Underground.
Elon Musk in infantile and impulsive–he has NO DISCIPLINE. PDJT had impeccable discipline. MUCK FUSK
Boy oh boy, the dirty linen is being aired more publicly.
The MSM is goin to have a field day.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/im-very-disappointed-elon-trump-responds-musk-opposition-big-beautiful-bill
yes it is! My thought exactly. You rock Betsy!!!
I’m starting to think this is staged. I can’t believe two men in their positions would bicker this quickly before speaking. IMO, I think they are staging this for one reason or another. Maybe I’m wrong, but this is kind of over the top.
Rings true to me.
President Trump has never retreated from a confrontation, especially with so much at stake. And there is. Everything.
Both men are possessors of massive egos. I would expect the President’s frustrations are at boiling point. Nevertheless I wish he could be a little more circumspect publicly.
But having said that, he has never been politic in his utterances, which is probably why his margin of victory was so great and his support numbers still so high.
We elected him to do battle for us. And that’s what he is doing.
(No, I don’t believe any of this is staged…)
I can respect that, and as I said, I could be wrong.
But taking a step back, and thinking back to the rallies etc… PDJT said, in front of Musk, he will get rid of EV tax credits and all the green-new scam stuff when elected. Now, as it turns out, Musk really was looking for a handout and thought he would sway him? There is something wonky.
But hey, I’m not privy to their intimate relationship, so what do I know…
As much as I know, my friend…as any of us knows or think we know.
In the end, we don’t know what we don’t know 😎👍🏻
And when you know, you know.
Absolutely 😉
And knowing is half the battle!!
VERY TRUE!! Just praying for the best…
I am, too, bshaw…
Well Betsy, we can make of this duel what we will, however, I am inclined to believe that President Trump will handle this inconvenience mightily in his Trumpian way.
I suspect President Trump never fully trusted Musk, or anyone else for that matter, because he learned early on in life that to be successful there will always be someone to counter you while smiling at you as they shake your hand in complete agreement. The knife is always in the other hand waiting for the right moment to shive you.
President Trump is very calm and clear-eyed. He knows what is going on and why.
He expressed himself, without hesitation today, “Elon and I WERE close……”
Elon made a very big mistake: He underestimates President Donald J. Trump.
Not a good sign.
President Trump will Win this skirmish.
And I agree, Abigail…but I think Elon’s biggest mistake…and I do mean biggest…was taking the trust President Trump placed in him as a key player in the agenda to right our ship (which is listing so badly that would take a only small spring breeze to sink her) and abusing it, throwing it in his face….and very publicly.
Fatal.
Those before Elon who have done the same are many and have found out what happens after, if only he had looked and learned.
And now comes the East Wind.
I would expect nothing less.
I agree completely!
President Trump is older and has more life experience than Elon. Plus President Trump was shot at and wounded which gives him a different perspective on life than Elon.
“I don’t believe any of this is staged…”
I am with you on that one. When Steve Bannon & PDJT had that kerfuffle during his first term, at first I thought it might have been staged.
I spent a little time with Mr. Bannon in 2016 after a small event he attended at a volunteer Fire Hall in Elma, NY.
That’s what Dems do, DI.
You’ve made me think of Andrew Breitbart.
Wondering what he’d make of all this…
I miss him, too.
I know of a conservative Christian preacher that had a meltdown like this around 2007 with another pastor.
Posting all sorts of dung and accusations on his website, etc.
Years ago he used to be a heavy drinker, but overcame that.
Romans 6:11-14 KJV
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Except these preachers were close friends in the ministry for years – not months.
Ephesians 6:12 KJV
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I agree. This is all optics for some strategic reason.
SD wholeheartedly disagrees with us. I take some umbrage for the “mental fortitude” comment he posted. But he clearly is more in the know than myself.
I’m just looking at the context/content of the posts. They are sensationalized and nonsensical. Not too mention, he’s hated by the left, and now just sh-t on MAGA. If he cares about Tesla stock, he sure did just F over his shareholders. Tesla is a car brand without a country…
If this is the best Musk has, can we really trust what DOGE has uncovered?
Just want to point out that Sundance predicted this rift BEFORE the election even took place.
Thanks.
For those unfamiliar, I point ——-> to the CTH archives.
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we will never get a Constitutional Republic back if the federal budget doesnt start taking cuts. How much does BBB add to the national debt each year?
We are over a 100 trillion in debt – and any time the economy grows with more dollars that’s debt. It’s called unfunded liabilities and central banking. There’s no paying off the “debt.” There will be a economic reset – it’s baked in to fiat currency and central banking.
Ask yourself if you want a secure border and a middle class or a uniparty grifting operation and global governance.
Musk is and has always been working in tandem with the technocrats that are 90% plus globalists and most likely 80% eugenicists.
At the most basic level, Elon doesn’t give a crap about the debt as he has made tens of billions off government tax subsidies and contracts.
At the end of the day. This is about the 2026 midterms. The RINOS/Trump haters/Deep Staters/warmongers/America lasters need the Repugnicans to lose the House in 2026. THAT is their only means of “stopping Trump”. As usual they will do whatever it takes.
I am so done.
Of course. But we are gonna be okay. Gods will be done.
Bonnie American is a country that has a very big sin problem. If you know anything about God he doesn’t let sin problems continue. Israel is the pattern of such. When Israel started with their idolatry God punished them. Do you know what that punishment was? Yes it was that God sent the enemies of Israel against them and they were destroyed. It’s written in Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel if you need a reference. America is the biggest dispenser of pornography in the world. America leads in sex trafficking of children. America executes or sacrifices unborn children at about 3000 souls per day in the name of healthcare. Do you think America is going to be blessed if Americans don’t turn from this horrible sin? And if our time of judgement is near we deserve it. So instead of telling everyone “oh don’t worry God’s got this” you should be warning people to repent and turn from their wicked ways because God said if MY PEOPLE would humble themselves and pray and TURN from their own wicked ways THEN I would hear from heaven and heal their land. God does got this and it should scare the crap out of people who continue in sin so they repent.
I disagree partly. First, God punished Israel not just because they sinned but they broke/violated His covenant with their rampant sin. Second, II Chronicles 7:14 applies to Israel not America. We should not confuse the two.
That said, you are right. America has a yuge sin problem as you so clearly lay out. This country is in serious need to repenting and turning. Our time of judgement is not near it is here. When you look at the people who “lead” this country, the abominable perversions that are encouraged and celebrated, the fear of so many churches and Christians to call sin sin, the anger, hatred, violence and bitterness that prevails – over an election, you know judgement is in progress.
Divine Intervention. Thy will be done is my daily prayer ALONG with sending St Michael and his warrior angels to surround and Protect President Trump, his Family and Administration. Amen.
Michael is the angel protector of Israel.
Yep, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils anymore. These politicians from both parties would hand the entire country to China or someone else for a few thousand dollars.
We aren’t voting are way out of this. There are no honest people in Congress and the federal courts are almost entirely compromised and corrupt.
It’s game over and we deserve it as we allowed our society to dumb-down multiple generations of kids, promote endless deviancy, and actively sought to make the culture both ugly and amoral.
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There are no honest people in Congress and the federal courts are almost entirely compromised and corrupt. THERE ARE NO HONEST PEOPLE IN CONGRESS AND THE FEDERAL COURTS ARE ENTIRELY COMPROMISED AND CORRUPT”Just wanted to add my AMEN.,
For Abraham’s sake God would have spared Sodom if the angels could have found 10 good people. All they found was Lot and the women beholden to him. A weak and sorry bunch to be sure.
Perhaps for Jesus’ sake God will spare this country. We don”t know the number of Godly people it will take. We can only turn our hearts back to God and pray.
Have mercy on us, Lord, for we have sinned. In Jesus’ name I ask this… Amen.
As Sundance has said previously, MAGA is the direct descendant of the Tea Party. I am MAGA, as I was Tea Party.
Having administration officials come out and talk about over $1T in cuts, but omitting over 10 years, is an insult to MAGA voters. It means $100B in cuts per year when we have $2T annual deficits.
We are at the end of the road for federal debt, which currently is $36T.
The old trope that the perfect is the enemy of the good remains true, unless good means trillions more in debt over the next decade. It just can’t be sustained and the budget numbers show that. And the GOP has always claimed that tax cuts pay for themselves, but here we are, $36T in debt. It is of little consequence that tax cuts bring in more revenue if added spending exceeds whatever new revenue is realized.
It’s not the fault of either Musk or President Trump – the fault should be rightfully assigned to Speaker Johnson and Senate Leader Thune.
The cuts on The BBB don’t take effect until 2029. It’s also BS at this point
🥶 brrr…that picture of Musk gave me chills 🥶.
….speaking of people who need to learn their place….
Saw this press conference earlier and at one point, German Chancellor appeared poised to pull a Zelensky by hijacking President Trumps command of presser to start steering pro-Ukraine talking points. President Trump looked slightly annoyed…but he promptly/politely grabbed reins back and steered.
I didn’t care for what little I saw. President Trump isn’t himself. That Kraut freak was lecturing President Trump about D Day and he kinda took it.
The dig by Musk that President Trump would have lost without his help implies he wanted a quid pro quo.
That just isn’t how President Trump rolls. He is a business man first, not a typical politician.
No.
This is what Sundance predicted.
Namely, that Musk would ingratiate himself to MAGA, only to use his position to attempt to splinter the MAGA coalition and co-opt it to the Tech Bros use (see: JD Vance).
Read the CTH archives.
Sundance has called this with EXCEPTIONAL clarity.
Tying that posit into the topic and legislation, who wrote the big beautiful bill and designed its content?
Perhaps a discussion of corporate lobbying and how legislation is actually written and by whom would be productive as relevant to quid pro quo.
Love him or hate him, Elon Musk has done a lot in his life. If he’s still the richest man on the planet, there’s that, and humans seem to attach a lot of value to money. After all, this big beautiful bill is pretty much all about money, isn’t it?
Also, related to it, recession bills, meaning cutting expenditures, historically have either been avoided, or failed, at least in modern times. PDJT had his own experience with that during 45. I wouldn’t count on that. There’s data collated on that which is easily accessible.
I have zero control over what Elon and PDJT do. My mission lies elsewhere. Thanks for the article.
In unrelated news, SpaceX and X-AI are (soon) under investigation by whichever agency can F him the most.
Emotional warfare tactics… queue up the Petulant Child evoking nudge.
One would think that a person of Elon Musk’s means could afford to visit a proctologist to have his head pulled out of his ass.
President Trump at times has an impossibe situation, it seems. At first glance, names like Musk, Bondi, Patel, Sessions, Pence (still on the fence w/Rubio) seem to have some cred. When they don’t, there is a large price to pay. Tough, tough job, but the room for error is small indeed. We love him, but, sometimes we are left wondering how they got there in the first place. You are our best hope Sundance.
My two cents: Trump has always given people enough rope to hang themselves.
On the other hand, apparently there are some very ugly surprises buried in this behemoth. I just hate these “comprehensive” spending bills. There are wins and losses for both sides, but the one sure loser is always the average citizen.
At the end of the day, never forget the Musk is a transhumanist, nothing more. it controls all his thinking
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Musk needs to be shown that neither he, or any other man, or machine, is God.
And the Only Being that Can Do So IS God . . .
we did see Elon jumping around on stage, and he seemed really excited to join MAGA.
Elon is impulsive and Trump I thought handled Elon well, and Elon did help get Trump elected.
Trumps inner circle need to stay tight-lipped. Gossip does hurt relationships.
Sundance is looking at that from LONG TERM viewpoint (as he writes), BBB and Z need to be “fixed” or handled and it takes Trump abilities to propose a way to solve it.
Elon is trying to “help” but his impulse control needs work/mediation?/ hopefully not drugs.
Hard to know if Elon’s mood disorder and drugs he takes … makes him un-stable genius. TRUMP is stable genius (since Trump doesn’t drink or drug).
I do appreciate your viewpoint/perspective. I did get a little caught up in the RAT republicans porking the BBB. Your perspective helps to see the bigger picture.
Elon, a couple things come to mind regarding this situation. Given his genius level intelligence, looking like it’s an ego thing here with him. Also, I think some other things come to mind: phrryic victory, failure to understand that sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war, narcissists tend to hyper focus with tunnel vision which impairs their ability to have situational awareness. Worse, probably unwilling to take counsel on this matter from anyone.
Musk isn’t a genius.
He is Larry Ellison’s (Oracle Inc.) puppet.
Is Donald Trump Larry Ellison’s puppet?
In fairness, one has to wonder at this point. Musk? No question. Trump?
The pattern is beginning to get concerning.
Musk is as genius as Mark Zuckerberg. Take unattractive nerdy tech guys and anoint them “genius” while giving them an IC construct to be the founder of–well its the stuff of dreams for those infantile narcissists!
On another note, did anyone see former CIA Larry Johnson on Grant Stinchfield last night say there is proof coming out in the next couple of months that Lindsey Graham has been receiving shovel loads of money from his Ukraine buddies.
“there is proof coming out in the next couple of months”
You mean like Epstein’s client list?
Yeah. Right.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then, it’s hot air in summertime.
Just repeating what was said. Time will tell. Someone is running against him. I hope they are successful.
enjoying the show? some things that break cannot be fixed.
Nuke DC
Did Elon donate the M dollars as ws said in the beginning more than once? that could be a problem. Elon has multiple govt contracts as well and is tied to Palantir. Talk about complicated
The BBBill is hot garbage because of the Attempted Intelligence Regulatory Free For All and the immunity for self replicating mRNA kill shots and cybernetic medical diktats.
Is Elon trying to derail Thiel as the dominant AI digital slavery operating system? Or was Elons involvement much like I said months back, just a ploy to identify and eliminate massive black hole programs so no one paid attention to his black hole programs?
“Elon was “wearing thin,” I asked him to leave, I took away his EV Mandate that forced everyone to buy Electric Cars that nobody else wanted (that he knew for months I was going to do!), and he just went CRAZY!”
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114632205177163456
LOL
Well, if it wasn’t on fire before, the bridge is burning now.
Yep; burned bridge, no re-entry.
Stupid play on Musk’s part.
Oh, sh!t. Must they do this?
What a monumentally stupid move on the part of Musk. On the Presidential thread, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but PDJT posted this on Truth Social:
“Elon was “wearing thin,” I asked him to leave, I took away his EV Mandate that forced everyone to buy Electric Cars that nobody else wanted (that he knew for months I was going to do!), and he just went CRAZY!”
PDJT has now spoken out about Musk and it is not flattering. What a disappointment this must be to Team Trump. Sad.
JUNE 05 2025
President Trump’s vetting process leaves a lot to be desired. Elon was a risk from the beginning. Maybe Pres. Trump knew that and was using him. Maybe he didn’t know and really thought Elon could be trusted. I’m not sure Pres. Trump really understands who Thiel, et al is, or maybe he knows and thinks he can control them if he lets them into his inner circle which he’s done through Musk and in other ways. If that’s the case he’s playing with fire. Elon is a problem. He has enough inside connections and money and money backing him that he can cause a lot of trouble for us.
Musk is creepy and has always been so. He’s a billionaire doing breeding experiments with his ever increasing amount of babies and baby mamas. Epstein had a similar breeding plan set up in New Mexico.
It’s immoral and narcissistic.
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And there it is.
The play to diminish MAGA.
The question I have is…..is this on schedule, or rushed?
Either way a 3rd party like this benefits WeThePeople -intent on Making America Great Again.
A Musk Party will likely only attract disaffected democrats & my-way-or-the-highway-TDS-RINOS like the bushCARTEL & “letter signers” – who didn’t vote Trump in 2020
Feels rushed to me so the question is why? Perhaps the Trump/Putin agreement to settle Ukraine and Iran problems?
Wow!
Musk is really hellbent on self-destruction, isn’t he?!
He absolutely has no clue what in Hell he is doing; just overreacts with more jibberish.
Right, Elon Musk, an African, is going to circumvent our Constitutional Republic and start a new political party that encompasses only those who are in the middle-of-the-road!
Give me a freakin’ break!
Any US citizen with a modicum of intelligence and study of our US History and our US Constitution, can easily see the reality of the middle-of-the-road party, always gets run over, sooner or later.
Go Ahead Elon, Do It!
Just keep digging your middle-of-the-road hole deeper…….
JUNE 05 2025 – Now this :
OK, that’s gone too far.
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Haven’t we always known there was one flight (as a favor as Trumps plane was unavailable) from FL to NYC (or vice versa) that has Donald Trump listed?
IF this were true … the democrats would have released this info during the 2020 Biden/Harris election failure.
Exactly. If PDJT had any dirt on him we would have known it long before now. What a petulant little prick Elon Musk is.
Maybe Elon Musk is on the Epstein list.
Bloodbath.
Musk should focus on Mars – he can create whatever type of utopian government he wants with no one to get in his way.
And who better to lead it than the richest man in the world who supports H-1Bs over Americans?
Musk is losing friends and support rapidly. If he thinks Dems are his friends, then he is out to lunch. They get control of the House and Musk will be spending a lot of time at hearings. Anything Musk does for the government will be at risk, too. Now he is turning on the President/MAGA/Republicans. Musk may even start being subpoenaed while Republicans still control the House!
If I am not mistaken, President Trump has always been leary of Musk (just little comments here and there). Anyways, this bullsh!t about who won 2024 and the 2026 midterms. Those tech bros need to get Musk to shut up and fall in-line. Come 2028 President Trump will be the one who will decide who will be president. 🤔
Elon is acting like a petulant 5yr old being told he cannot have ice cream! I am beyond shocked at how nasty he is being… and that he is messing with all that President Trump and WE have worked hard for.
I think Elon will be shocked when he loses all his federal contracts…..
What a complete IDIOT!
in a way, Elon , just burned a lot of bridges! The DEMS hated him for joining MAGA. And NOW Trump has just posted the termination of their relationship.
I do love Elon and it is to bad what has happened. I do see a lot of Elon in me. When I act like a HOT HEAD, I have burned lots of bridges in my life. Mediation helped me to go inside to CENTER myself. Even with all the mediation I do, I can get “hot head thoughts” … and over decades … of daily mediation, I can spot sooner and quicker, and “dive within to IMMEDIATELY center myself”.
I love Elon and hopefully he will find something that Centers himself.
Many of you LOVE Elon too, so , … pray he finds his Center and hangs out there before exploding. 🙂
I think you meant “meditation”.
What you may not realize is….
Anger is a mask for fear and/or sadness. It is one of two reactions to those emotional triggers (fear and sadness)….which begets a fight or flight response in folks with under-developed EQs.
The trick is to recognize it for what it is: an emotional reaction.
It is effectively countered with logic and reason. Do I really need to be afraid right now? Deeper still: How have I been (or allowed myself to become) conditioned to be afraid?
The mind must lead the heart, not the other way around. IQ is worthless without EQ. EQ is emotional awareness and understanding….of one’s self as well as others.
This is precisely WHY and HOW Jesus said “Forgive them for the know not what they do”, despite hanging on the cross in spite of being completely innocent.
”The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself.”
Anger is mostly reaction to not getting one’s own way, not getting what they want when the want, not having control of a situation or power over someone to do what they want. Anger is not a mask. It is an expression.
Call me when the rift occurs with Ellison, Thiel, Sachs, Altman and the rest of the evil Tech Tyrants. While we are at it, why does anyone support President Trump’s love affair with Palantir? Palantir is the spy system that Trump has given billion of dollars to and Palantir is being used by Ukraine to send drones into Russia.
Let’s face it, Palantir is the beast system of Revelation 13.
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Ok.
But does not God’s Word SAY that will occur?
Isn’t it better to have a VSGPDJT at the helm to manage both its advent AND end . . .?
I fixed this quote because I refuse to pretend the stupid party is doing anything besides maneuvering themselves back into their comfy and profitable role as the minority party. I also refuse to pretend that the warpigs in the uniparty (socialists and stupids combined) will do anything but perpetuate our proxy war against Russia at any cost.
Instead of elevated and unemotional, I am apathetic.
Musk has no common sense or awareness of political reality.
If idiotic A1 had a talk with Musk he would follow.
I have a serious problem with how musk is acting.
This is not done and no room for games.
We don’t know what the arguments are that Musk had with the rest of the WH staff – and how those may or may not have blown up.
Lot going on behind the scenes that is only now bubbling up to the surface. Need to have insight before launching into motives, winners and losers.
Trump is incredibly good at minimizing a dificult and potential explosive situation with calm clarity and class. A master class in deescalation
if there were ever a time to frame the truism that genius has absolutely zero connection to wisdom, this is the moment. No need for scientific discovery or professorial lectures, just read the headlines.
Musk and Trump, just stop. Chill. Ice it. We’ve got bigger problems than your petty disagreements. Kiss and make up. You’re a great team. Take a deep breath. Keep moving forward.
Nope. For President Trump to not respond is to not be transparent. We are done with pretending and appreciate President Trump not pretending Elon is attempting an emotional usurpation of MAGA. Now is not the time to turn the other cheek or keep a blind eye.
What these have in common is they are both anti-American bills and not America First
The BBB (as a whole) blows up the deficit and government debt to astronomical levels.. one has to wonder if this is in long term best interest of America. It needs to be stripped down to MAGA parts only if it is going to be America First.
Then second, secondary Sanctions on Russia is an anti American bill.
Remember when the US bond market was cracking when China tariffs where at 175%?
Now Lindsay is proposing to elevate this to 500%
This won’t hurt Russia and China’s relationship, but it will likely strain the US, more so
Musk just revealed himself and burned his bridge
Seems much more likely that Elon Musk is in the Epstein files given the life he leads.
If Trump were in the Epstein files the deep state would have released it years ago to stop Trump.
Exactly!
Yep, there never would have been Butler.
oh, gee!
Elon and Trump should take a time out. Please go to the “time out” room, and settle down. Elon and Trump should stop fighting. You had bonding moments the last 6 months. Trump stop putting Elon down, and Elon stop putting Trump down. You are both very important people on a WORLD STAGE!
Please do not try to destroy each other. This could take you both down. This is NOT good for MAGA.
Trump threatened ELON and ELON just threatened Trump! Please stop! For MAGA.
Now they will have to release the files.
First 80 Senators go against the President with regard to Ukraine.
Then the Senate is going to kill the BBB bill.
Now Elon is dragging the President into the Epstein debacle.
Judges injunctions for every move the President makes.
Why would President want the release of the Epstein files if he was in them? Did he not agree to the release. I do believe he did.
RIP USA if this nonsense is allowed to continue. China is loving this.
Is this a coordinated attack? How much money did Elon promise the Senators to kill the BBB?
Yikes! And I thought Don Jr might be a little hot headed.
On one level the rift between PDJT and Musk seems scripted. I feel they are trolling the msm and RINOs/ UP because they all so much want to see problems between the two. A lot of people are taking sides: “i’m on Trumps side”, I’m on Elon’s side. I trust PDJT to know what he is doing.
There is another aspect that I am sure benefits Musk: The heat is off on his businesses.
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Well, that Mertz fellow surely did not get his day in the sun, today, with his visit to the WH, so there is that . . .
Exactly what I thought too … until now … and all this back and forth … I know I trust PDJT and believe Devine Intervention assists our President every day. Amen.
Still upsetting and now scary.
Elon is gone. He wanted to put chips in everyone’s brains. Remember?
Musk is saying the reason the Epstein files were buried is because Trump’s name is on the list. Sounds like a spoiled child remark.
That is one scary look on Musk’s face – gave me the shivers.
LSD eyes. Musk is hard core drug addict and it shows.
Maybe, but evidence?
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I watched a years ago podcast appearance of Musk (on Rogon) where Elon admitted he had microdosed right before sitting down to talk in order to feel ‘more comfortable’ and engaged.
Now I see that ‘micro-dosing’ is being/has been studied to treat PTSD, with one gentlemen who had participated said he only needed three doses over a period of time to ‘cure’ him.
No, no proof that Elon is an addict but surely thinks it is a helpful ‘aid’ . . .
https://www.barrons.com/articles/trump-musk-disappointed-spending-bill-rift-fe003cf1?mod=hp_LEDE_C_1
President Donald Trump’s close relationship with Tesla
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CEO and government cost-slasher Elon Musk has hit the rocks, and the two unleashed a barrage of criticism toward each other on Thursday.
By Anita Hamilton
President Donald Trump’s close relationship with Tesla CEO and government cost-slasher Elon Musk has hit the rocks, and the two unleashed a barrage of criticism toward each other on Thursday.
After expressing his disappointment with Musk for criticizing the spending bill, Trump escalated Thursday’s war of words with Musk by threatening billions of federal contracts in a post on Truth Social:
“The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn’t do it!”
Musk responded to the comment in a post on X, “Go ahead, make my day…”
Breaking up is hard to do. President Trump seemed to have liked Elon a lot. Almost to the point of son. Nothing worse than having the person you respect show little respect for you and what you are doing. Elon expected to rule the roost but instead got the door. Sorry Elon. You did a good job up until. …
Didn’t Sundance warn us that Musk along with Theil were just getting close to Trump in order to control outcomes of his policy agenda and therefore control more of the trillions that are at stake?????
Yes.
It’s in the CTH archives. Sundance warned of this as Musk was ingratiating himself to Trump after the assassination attempt in Butler, PA during the run-up to the election.
The relationship has been much like that of two teenagers, getting intensely hot in far too short of a time, only to blow up spectacularly (as we are now seeing).
Then no one who visits these hallowed halls in the treehouse should be shocked, surprised or disappointed. Trump has exposed Musk for who he really always has been……..part of the deep state corporate billionaire club trying to hold on to power and money by controlling to levers of government power and influence.
This Musk outburst, while very real, is not worth focusing on. Sundance explains the priorities and frailties very well. Trump’s reconciliation bill is a mess, still full of exorbitant spending that will deepen our disastrous debt, but is the ugly sausage of many competing interests. The SenateCONS foresaw this to some degree, and ARE using this as massive leverage to blackmail our President.
How sad is it, when RepubliCONS are willing to burn down our own national interests to force the desires of the DEEP STATE CABAL upon the world? Well it’s what they’ve resorted to for years and years. From elements within the second Reagan term, to the senior Bush implant, followed by the Jr compromised world order faker.
FACE IT….WE ARE ALL JUST ALONG FOR THE RIDE!
It was a Nazi salute. It was always a Nazi salute. Musk was never with us, just another Tech Bro desperate for a MAGA embrace.