As most of you know I have been traveling extensively. However, a strange thing happened today upon return through the airport.
Apparently, all of the test pilots for biometrics, real ID etc. are now linked and active. As I approached the passport control kiosk with my passport in hand, the gentleman said “welcome back, enjoy the rest of your day,” and that was it.
I stood there for a second, asked if he needed my passport and he said, “no, you’re good. Go on through.” It seems the facial recognition software is live. You no longer need to show your U.S. passport or any ID when arriving through U.S. international passport control.
Now, I should say I have never signed up for TSA pre-check, Fast Track, or any other kind of Global Travel authentication. I have always opted to just be a grey traveler with as little a footprint as possible. I reentered the U.S. the same way in February and needed to show the traditional passport, etc. However, this time in April it was totally different. There is no longer any paperwork or documentation needed. It actually, seemed a little weird.
I should also note the U.S. “opt-out” for facial scans is a little bit of a ruse; the reason is when you depart from a foreign country, destined to the USA, the facial recognition is mandatory. The U.S. Dept of Homeland Security, TSA and Border Control, require all countries to authenticate the U.S. destined traveler at the point of exit. It’s not optional in other countries, you either comply or you don’t get to come home to the USA.
Because it’s not optional in other countries, and because the database is connected to the U.S. border entry system, the fact you can opt-out of having your picture taken inside the USA is moot; your facial impression is already captured at your point of departure from the foreign country and shared with U.S. homeland security.
This appears to be how the interconnected systems are now recording travel. By the time you reach the U.S. entry point, they already have a database of your biometrics to match your entry. Cameras located facing toward the traveler as they approach the kiosk, cross reference the data and the passport control officer knows exactly what authorities for entry you carry as you approach. Showing documentation such as your passport is no longer needed.
As I mentioned this on my X-account, several people affirmed to have recently experienced the same entry process. Physical passports are no longer required regardless of whether you have opted-in to some pre-registration fast track travel system. You simply walk through the passport checkpoints now and collect your luggage.
I have seen this in several countries with varying degrees of technological advancement. However, it was usually when you are connecting from one flight to another within a singular international airport. This is different. This is the TSA/DHS database fully active with biometric, facial recognition scanning that you cannot avoid.
This process is obviously unavoidable now and given how much research CTH has done on the AI aspect to facial recognition (Palantir software), real id and enhanced biometrics that were being tested in various transportation hubs, it looks like the system is now fully active. April 5th was the universal deadline for “Real ID” rollout, and I’m guessing sometime around then was the trigger date for the live activation of the system I just experienced.
All of that said, this notification by me is not to raise any alarms, it is simply to raise awareness. The system is active, and you will likely experience it if you travel outside the USA and then reenter.
Everything seems cool, until you start to think about your biometric identity being attached to some form of travel approval. Owe the govt money, you don’t get to travel until the issue is resolved etc. You can see how this ‘slippery slope’ will likely play out. Additionally, it does not take a deep weeds thinker to expand the consideration when this DHS/TSA system is in the hands of a certain type of political ideology in charge of it (weaponizing it).
I survived Y2K.
I’ll survive AI facial recognition.
“The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.”
– Scotty, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
I wonder which one will be the one you don’t survive?
“It is appointed to man once to die.
And then the judgement.”
God
That’s the only one you need to survive.
“Choose life.”
God
In God We Trust
Trust God
Fear not
The World Wide Web is manmade; it can be nefarious or good depending on who sorts the data into categories.
Unlike Heaven and Hell; the sorting is done by The One and Only……the One who made man.
God Help US
Manmade always needs repairs, becomes useless, and thrown to the trash heap when the next better equipment is made by man to come to the forefront………and the beat goes on. The soul lives on.
I agree with what you’re saying, but it’s gonna become more insidious on a day-to-day level now that it’s active.
It’s already insidious for those with eyes to see.
Don’t fly commercial.
Yeah sure, this will all end with commercial flying only. Self deception is a terrible thing.
This will end with NO travel of any sort within your 15 minute city without the overlord’s permission!
And don’t go on cruises that sail to the USA? Etc etc, same thing. The real answer is for Americans to rise up, just as viciously as leftists defy PDJT, against the Deep State / IC that demands taking away our freedoms for the sake of “security”.
Here’s an interesting test. Type in the word “pharmakeia” into your search engine. Invariably Revelation 18:23 will then pop up.
However.. the word pharmakeia no longer appears in that passage, even though the search directs us there.
Upon further investigation you will find that very recently all references to this word on the interNet were in fact erased from that bible passage. Instead the word “sorcery” has been substituted, with an explanation that the word pharmakeia in biblical times has nothing whatsoever to do with any pharmaceutical drugs.
Oh you will find many recent webpages that disabuse you of the notion that John’s use of the word pharmakeia could in any way refer to pharmaceuticals. So now they apparently erased the word entirely, to avoid any confusion?
“They” are whitewashing the Bible on the internet as we speak.
It’ll be stored in the ‘cloud’ forever; but the only clouds worth looking at will always be in the sky; nature made.
OH, they are planning to make their own clouds to block the sun; can’t make this shite up.
Messing with Mother Nature is not a good thing; making their pretend ‘clouds’ is a step too far. IMHO
God Help US
Science has got to be dealt with; abortion for population control, eugenics, remaking human bodies to suit a fad, changing hormones, mRNA programing, weather changing cloud production, are all nefarious fields to be dealt with.
We are the carbon they want to reduce.
They are not planning to make clouds. They are already making clouds that dim the sun but too many people refuse to LOOK UP and see it with their own eyes.
don’ let the smoke get in you eyes. man doesn’t control the weather. so maybe he can make a few clouds.
You are comparing apples and oranges, but if deceiving yourself helps you sleep at night…..
I fear for my children. This is not the world I wished them live in.
Take them for walks, make sure they know the wonders of the natural world – the real world.
Manmade objects should be for entertainment, labor saving, and communication. Using ‘science’ for anything else can be used for evil; especially when it come to mind and body.
Everything, everything, that humans need is provided by God’s hand. The rest is artificial.
How many robots finished the Beijing half marathon?
Trust God not man.
‘James Street,’ a great name in UT athletics and late ’60’s NCAA, any connection? Had to ask, and person I refer to has long since passed on.
The facial station will be monitored by TSA type individuals. The data is only useful if the monitors who monitor are monitoring. However, the cutting off of a financial life gives me pause.
The gold standard, coins in your pocket, real dollars in your wallet; oh, the freedom of earning a living. ID only needed for booze and voting!
The good old days!
Alex Karp = crooked
You meant to say we are cooked and they are crooked, didn’t you?
Data Protection Acts may vary according to whichever Country one is Registered to, but I am assuming essentially they are all the same. In England Data Protection Legislation requires the “collector” of Data, to on request of the one that has his or her Data collected to disclose the complete Data journey of the individual, be that in a shopping mall, airport, or any other circumstances. There are many in England that are doing just this.
The headache for the Data Collector is. In Legislation the collector has to screen out all other Data that is not relevant, i.e. other faces, before the Data collector can Legally and Lawfully hand over the Data to the one that has requested it. The assumption is, that if to many people would do this “the System” would get overloaded, hence a re-think of the global concept of centralized Data Collection.
If a “National Person” in whichever Jurisdiction (Country/Nation) has Data collected, that “Person” has the Legal capacity to Sue for improper use of their “Personal Data”, creating a further headache that must be recognised by the Authorities, in Law, Legally.
Sure! governments have always respected their citizen’s privacy, and their rights (insert eyeroll)
My sentiments exactly.
Then technology really doesn’t matter – does it?
You mean like Tom Fitton at Judicial Watch…
And FOIA’s …
/s
JIC
Very interesting because just yesterday Trump mentioned that Elon was slowly backing off DOGE, and then WHAM we hear this from SD? Mmmmmm, suspicious cat remains….well….suspicious. 2+2 will ALWAYS be 4.
Yes, Elon got what he needed from the MAGA movement., now it’s time to move on. Elon’s lackluster help in the Wisconsin special election in March was a good tell.
Elon is backing off DOGE, that does not mean it is going away. Elon just has companies to run.
Facial recognition capabilities have been in development since at least the 1990s.
Ever hear of the frog in the boiling pot of water?
Bush, 9/11
The passport you still acquire is a booklet with pages that, in decades past, were stamped at the port of entry/exit when you were traveling. I remember, about 30 years ago actually, being surprised that my passport was no longer being stampe….someone would just look at it and let you pass. We have been marching toward this biometric reality for quite some time.
Yes – EWR (Newark) was one of the last ports of entry where we still stamped passports.
Officers were known as ‘stamp monkeys’
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We stopped requiring officers to stamp about 4-5 years ago.
Passport cards (good for “local” foreign travel) never needed to be “stamped”, but be sure all border crossings are logged anyway. I got my first one in 2009, 14 years ago.
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The question is:
What important “data” about you do you think is being collected via “facial recognition” that already hasn’t been and isn’t continually being collected. And whether it’s in one or a hundred or a thousand different electronic “databases”, can’t be retrieved in minutes? If not seconds.
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The facial recognition data collection points add to the growing surveillance mosaic.
Increasing granularity and completeness of surveillance coverage, while adding redundancy for error reduction.
And also, facial recognition may be deployed at all points useful for control. Basically, enabling complete control of the populace by Big Brother.
This may be deployed anywhere cameras are used. Which is nearly everywhere now. (Smile for the camera at the retail store checkout, in addition to the cameras in the parking lot and throughout the store. Paying cash is no longer anonymous.)
Note too that the Tech Moguls Trump pulled into his cabinet are involved in this. No coincidence. Starting to get the picture?
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Starting to get the picture?
No. It was a sincere question. What data? What control?
What new important “data” about you do you think is being collected via “facial recognition” that already hasn’t been and isn’t continually being collected and isn’t already able to be retrieved?
That you bought a magazine or donut at the kiosk with cash that wouldn’t already have been on your credit or debit card? That this morning you cut yourself shaving? That you sat for 18 minutes at the gate next to a mysterious man in a trenchcoat?
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If you want to see an example of where this leads, check out China.
All points of movement and transaction completely controlled. The regime has all options, from blocking transactions and movement, to arrest at or near confirmed location with the individual “disappeared” after that.
Complete control.
You say “we are not like that”? This nation is being steered toward that. Sovereign debt, provoking war it cannot win, bio-democide – these could combine to turn us into a totalitarian vassal. Under what nation? The same nation setting the example of facial recognition serving total control.
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I understand people are trying to be helpful. But no one has answered my question.
What new important “data” is being collected via “facial recognition” that already hasn’t been and isn’t continually being collected and isn’t already able to be retrieved?
Apparently foks simply do not understand what currently has been collected and is easily able to be retrieved. For decades.
Even decades ago, within minutes or fairly quickly thereafter, the following information easily could be got: All driver and other licenses and business and professional licenses throughout the United States. Passport and visa travel records. All address history. All relatives including birth death marriage and divorce records and dates. Voter registration records. Social security numbers. All accounts in financial institutions. All real estate title records throughout the United States including real estate owned by entities as to which the individual was a director, officer, or resident agent. Mortgages and mortgage payment records. Tax returns of various and sundry kinds if submitted anywhere other than the IRS and not electronically. All court records including lawsuits and arresrs even traffic tickets. All utilities records, phone numbers and phone calls, and insurance records. Employment records…
Now update within the past 10-20 years: All cell phone data in the cloud. All business data in the cloud. All electronically-filed medical, insurance, tax, and compliance records. All email and search engine records. All social media. Toll road records. Public and business surveillance camera data. Data from ring doorbells, medical devices, fitbits, Alexa/Siri, computerized vehicles, GPS in addition to phone GPS, IoT and the like, including Images, pictures, websites. All on-line electronic financial transactions in addition to credit/debit card purchases and payments, military service records, pharmaceutical records…
The above is a partial list off the top of my head. Add in satellite data. Google earth. The layout of the inside of your house. Pictures of the inside of your recently-purchased house if it was listed with a real estate agent.
So I am asking again.
What new important “data” is being collected via “facial recognition” that already hasn’t been and isn’t continually being collected and isn’t already able to be retrieved?
The blissfully ignorant suddenly are waking up because… their pictures are being taken at the airport and government agents’ computers are going to take only seconds instead of minutes to go through a suspected “one” database instead of many?
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Occasionally clients come to my office for a real estate transaction. They sometimes are shocked when they start to hand me a deed and I say that I don’t need it.
In the past I’ve had a need to do “skip-tracing”, or gather information about a potential law suit defendant, or other background for one or another reason. All that is needed is a name plus one other piece of information such as a birth date or an address. It takes minutes, and I’m not the government.
Re my comment above, I forgot to include credit reports and payment histories. I also forgot to include school records, internet downloads, IP addresses, vehicle registration records, and a lot more. Not to mention that for decades RFID tags have been telling the supermarket whether you bought milk with that cereal…
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And USPS electronically scans your snailmail.
Why is facial recognition of any more significance in ID’ing you than showing a picture on a passport. Because it’s faster?
Why is facial recognition more threatening of a “social credit score” than the huge HUGE credit and medical reporting agencies and databases that have existed for DECADES. (Do you usually purchase airline tickets in person with cash?)
Why is facial recognition more threatening than the GPS tracker with your life stored on it not to mention innumerable communications of thoughts and transactions that the vast majority already carry around everywhere
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That you refused the covid jab, that you spoke out against marxist ideology, or transgenderism, or fill in the blank.
“If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.”
and what is considered “wrong” today will be different tomorrow. Maybe buying a donut is verboten because you are “overweight”.
When I read The Trial by Kafka now, I tend to imagine a system in which the widespread assumption that the system knows everything obviates any attempt at mounting a defense at all.
THAT is the whole point indeed.
“Show me the man, I’ll show you the crime.”
My son in law says that all the time. Ask the J6ers
Because their cellphones and their credit cards provided enough information to rat them out tot the feds.
Not true.
Should have seen this coming:
https://genius.com/Husker-du-data-control-lyrics/q/release-date
Good grief…..can you see the day coming, and sooner rather than later, when you are forbidden to engage in travel, buying and selling, etc because they have all this data. Don’t be ignorant, this is the cage door inching closer to be slammed shut.
It will probably be fine, as long as you accept the mark.
All of this was spelled out for us about 2000 years ago. It will get worse, but not for everyone, because some of us will be removed before the plan goes full-on horrible.
Tell that to the church in China
‘ Don’t be ignorant, this is the cage door inching closer to be slammed shut. ‘
You think that it is ignorance?
Could it be COINTEL – seeding reader comment threads with counter-narratives?
Assuming you mean “outhouse council” is the counter narrative seed planter.
It’s the encroachment on 4th amendment rights that is the problem. Once we give in and sign something saying we agree, we lose that right. THAT is the difference between the data they have essentially illegally collected to date, versus us signing off on it. .
The answer to that question is of course the Fed’s database of facial recognition, grabbing and permanently recording images, videos, whatever, of every single face they can, however and wherever they can. Is your laptop looking back at you? What are you wearing right now? SNOOPING ON STEROIDS. A line MUST be drawn at some point, and it never helps at all to say, or even think, “no big deal”.
Everyone is going to be a Person of Interest.
There in lies the gist of the problem; how’s it going to be used once it’s collected and sorted into their nefarious categories.
A few good well aimed lightening bolts could save face. Or hackers could hack.
Communism never comes alone; it always brings complete control of body and soul.
Mandatory passports for international travel are only 100 years old. Next connecting flight? 15-minute cities.
“when this DHS/TSA system is in the hands of a certain type of political ideology in charge of it (weaponizing it).”
The only ideology is power. That red/blue thing is so overdone. The convergence on dystopia is impervious to party ideologies. Even with Trump, it slows down in places, only to accelerate elsewhere. The Uniparty with duopole optics is one of the most ingenious mousetraps ever invented.
I’m afraid I can’t let you do that Dave…
Great movie….Hal was one of a kind but he was “unplugged” in the end.
No fear is always a good starting point, when facing any new dynamic.
This kind of facial recognition was being used at Port Liberty 🗽 in Elizabeth, NJ 5 years ago. At that time, only for cruise ships, and only for ‘closed loop’ voyages (where your departure and destination are the same, say, Charleston to the Caribbean and back to Charleston).
I would suppose it’s currently only for USCs.
I am pretty certain that LPRs, visa holders, and foreign visitors still are inspected by a CBP officer.
Yet we somehow can’t find bodycam footage from police officers or surveilance video from prisons when it matters.
Excellent!
I had exactly that happen to us at Port Miami last November, returning from the Caribbean. And maybe the November before. We were through Customs before I realized it, didn’t even break stride.
We’ve always used passport cards on cruises, never had them stamped (obviously) yet we know all of that travel is logged. And now (for how many years?) my face is directly connected to those logs.
I don’t see any particular personal threat right now, but I can easily see something bad coming from it just a few years into the future… all powered by surveullance cameras and my face stashed in not one but many bureacratic databases.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/preamble
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”
Declaration of Independence
Is this even taught anymore in our schools? And if so, how much time is devoted to the same? One hour? One week? A constant barrage of awakening of our God-given rights throughout the educational process? Or, nothing?
I’m afraid it’s the later (all part of the Marxist plan) and that’s why our country is falling apart…
So since “opt-out” is a ruse, the only viable response is to use the system against them.
Explore and implement methods for modifying or concealing the apparent structure of your face. Research will reveal many ways to do this. Create a known, public “you” and one (or preferably several) private, unknown “you” which isn’t recognized. Buy a burner while wearing a heavily-masqueraded version of unknown “you”, because you will be on camera when you make the purchase. Carry the burner when you are unknown “you”. Practice changing your gait when in public as unknown “you”. Get a dark bag for your burner.
You’re already in the databases as you. Have some fun with it! The surveillance state can kiss my a$$.
I might have some respect for this government again when they start arresting high level pedophiles and child traffickers, and obvious traitors, and throw out the influences of foreign nations. Maybe.
Rest assured that this technology will never be deployed for voting purposes.
Thank you Sundance. You are the only one who is situationally aware regarding this issue. While it all seems streamlined and to offer convenience now….as you point out…with the systems in place, it sets the stage for any bad actors (ie BHO and Holder) to weaponize what appears to be a convenience/safety feature into a weapon to be used against us. Danger now? Maybe not. We have to have our eyes wide open on this. Could this be the “mark of the beast” of the book of Revelation in the Bible? Could be. Eyes WIDE Open!
This surveillance is deep. A local county sheriff’s deputy told me that they photograph the license tag of every car entering and exiting on every road. He recounted how they recently used a partial description of a car to trace a drug dealer and located him by coordinating with another county’s surveillance system.. This is semi-rural Mississippi.
Yesterday, I spotted one of the cameras as we crossed from Union to Lafayette county. Not hidden, but not glaringly obvious either.
And we know that whatever is true for “semi-rural” anywhere USA is in force everywhere.
Yes, I travel a lot for work. Many have read my anecdotes. I noticed this back in March and asked a few questions. TSA pretty much said what SD outlined here but not in as much detail. I have now signed up for Pre-Check, Clear, and will work through Global Entry. Hell, if they have collected it anyway, then I’m at least going to gain some benifit from it as a frequent traveler.
A very dark development. Technologically fashioned leg irons.
Somebody will find a way to breach this since all things human can never be perfect.
None the less, the government knows more about you than you know about you.
Very sad.
“Owe the govt money, you don’t get to travel until the issue is resolved etc. ” I would like to know if any of the IRS employees (thousands) are being denied international travel?
Exactly what wonderful loyal patriotic honest people will be overseeing this? SARC
I traveled within the US by air last March (’24). I just needed to scan the boarding pass QR on my phone. My info was already up on the TSA screen without showing my ID. I fly maybe twice per year.
Coming soon: No boarding passes will be issued to folks who do not own smartphones.
Yikes. I don’t have one. I recently signed up for a weight loss program that I assumed would be coming to me through my email. It wasn’t until I paid them the cost for one year that I found out it would be coming to me through a cell phone app. Just download the app… So, you’re right. I can see them using them for boarding passes.
I did the same thing!
I think the facial scan is just one leg of the data verification centipede.
“The chips in the Passport Card, Enhanced Drivers License/Tribal ID, Trusted Traveler Card, Border Crossing Card, and Permanent Resident Card have an RFID chip that operates at 860-960 MHz and can be read from multiple meters/feet away.”
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Your papers, pleaseNevermind.”I wouldn’t be surprised of there is some kind of RFID tech in the passports that allow them to be read as you approach. It all works together.
The certainly is.
What is a Biometric? Which one does the new Electronic Passport use?A biometric or biometric identifier is a measurable physical or behavioral characteristic of an individual, which can be used to verify the identity of that individual or to compare against other entries when stored in a database. Biometrics include face recognition, fingerprints, and iris scans. The U.S. Electronic Passport uses the digital image of the passport photograph as the biometric identifier that is used with face recognition technology to verify the identity of the passport bearer.
https://www.us-passport-service-guide.com/e-passport.html
And Real ID, which I still refuse to participate in. Thankfully, in NC Real ID is still an option for DLs etc. I just looked it up, again — can’t ever trust any part of an existing or just-previous demoncrat apparat.
Here in Ohio I was not required to get RealID.
Because they were letting the world cross the southern border I resisted as best I could and refused RID.
I’ll renew my passport and use that if I ever must ride an airplane.
I’m sure there is a beeg penalty if my PassPort RFID had a “failure”.
Whether we trust or not… it is happening. There is a lot of good that can be done with this technology, but also a lot of evil.
What is more amazing is that not a sparrow falls without the Father knowing, and that fact was relayed by our Lord to be of comfort, because it demonstrates the degree that He cares for us.
When I get anxious about easily unknown and conniving men can know details about me, I have trained my heart to realize that, If I live knowing that my Creator sees and cares about not only every deed I do, but every thought I have, it gives me comfort.
If every human being lived every second fully aware that our Creator was that aware of our deeds AND our thoughts — the power of our transformation and presence would change the world. That power of transformation would be not only as individuals but collectively as families, groups of disciples working together, communities, nations, and the world.
The seemingly miraculous power of PDJT comes not from his genius, but from his faith that he can make a difference, and from his choice on what that difference he can make should be.
If each of us worked to focus every second of our day — in deed and in thought — on doing the will of our Father, and believed that every thought made a difference — the danger of this tech surveillance would be insignificant.
That’s the path I have chosen and did so long ago, dear sir.
He is my Master and no one else.
Thank you for this!
Just to note, the subject of this article and others like it are Government trying to establish itself as God. Or rather, trying to finish the job.
They already know everything about you. In the sense that they can acquire it within minutes. I don’t like it but its not going away.
Right now the only eay you can have any anonymity is leave your phone at home and pay cash.
I expect cash to be outlawed within ten years.
Revelation is nigh
And drive a car that’s older because newer cars provide “them” everything.
but the street /store cams provide everything to them anyway.
we are pretty much hosed
Doubtless some gov’t drone will see this as a great way to encourage those who’ve defaulted on their student loans to make arrangements for payment.
I did Nexus and Global Entry over 10 years ago to ease the long waits coming back into the USA. It was beneficial especially coming back from Oh Canada.
This is what I fear will be happening: If you use a credit card at a bar or restaurant, I believe that your car will have a ‘glow’ to it that police can see, and it will be because your credit card bill shows drinks on it. And because your credit card is linked to your home address, as is your car’s registration, the linkage is already there.
I say this after getting a ticket on a highway because my registration was expired. No way the cop could have visually seen my plate to even manually run it; it had to be automated.
Maybe not … the state of Georgia issues different color annual registration decals for permanent tags. Any LEO can spot the color from 100 feet distance, and make a decision as to your renewal status.
I was in Pennsylvania. They no longer have the registration stickers in PA. There are still inspection stickers on the windshield, but no colored registration tags on license plates.
I live in PA. The reasoning for getting rid of the stickers was that people were ripping off license plates in order to get those registration stickers.
NC used to have those same colored decals, but if I’m not mistaken, they’re all white now (I’ll confirm next time I’m out). No more recognition from 100 feet away, or on a low-res camera image. Somebody got smart.
A local valet service at the hospital photos your license plate for retrieval purposes, that valet service ran my plate, got my info, and used my bank account in another part of the state
Interesting…
My British husband will be renewing his Green Card soon.
His passport renewal date is approaching, the cost $500 which for us as seniors is hefty.
We checked, and it seems the US does not require he show one at such time as he presents himself to an immigation office with the required undocuments etc. So as he will not be travelling again to his home country, he chose not to renew. Nevertheless, we were slightly perplexed.
“Curiouser and curiouser,” said Alice.
When he renewed his GC 10 years ago immigration officials gathered his biometric data plus fingerprints. We are in Texas and so have real ID, no choice to opt out of that. This state was ahead of the game there.
After reading this, all is clear.
So much written about the New World Order…
We have arrived.
Like it or not, and, unlike Alice, no waking up from it.
Highly recommend Green Card holders, if they intend to remain in the USA, obtain US citizenship.
A slight hiccup–a misdemeanor charge, DUI, forgetting to pay taxes, or a hundred other minor incidents that could be interpreted as reflecting poorly–can result in deportation, loss of status, and worse.
While Permanent Resident Aliens do have a better status than visitors on visas, or illegal aliens, they are still aliens, and can be quickly and painlessly removed from the US. Any encounter with Customs, Border Patrol, ICE, or other related government agency opens a PRA to potential administrative actions.
Once a PRA is a US citizen, all that disappears.
We in virginia can opt out, our dl has ” federal restrictions apply” in the corner,,,,I don’t fly, I don’t go overseas
They sneak up on you. I didn’t realize until reading this that for the past 2 years I didn’t have to show anything at Customs returning on a cruise. Didn’t even need to slow down, they waved us through.
And I just now remembered some type of video machine on a pedestal along the line of our re-entry. There were several of them spread across the (now essentially imaginary?) line of re-entry.
Likewise the Brits charge UKP 500 to move one’s Permanent Right to Reside & Work Stamp from one USA Passport to the next.
Years ago it was free and could be done while crossing in/out of the UK.
Now it is expensive and you have to send in your passport, losing access to it for upwards of a month.
Supposedly there is someplace where you can go to so it can been done while you wait?
Around or before 2024 the UK rules changed making your formerly permanent status contingent on a timeframe – anywhere from 2 years to in select cases 5 years away and your status expires.
UK checking passports of their new taxpayer funded for everything “residents”?
Didn’t think so.
I lived there for twenty years.
After our marriage, I had to present myself with passport to immigration officials. There were wait limits for that ” Given leave to remain” stamp. The Scotsman who examined our license took one look at us, dressed well as if for church, and waived every requirement…and stamped my passport.
That was in 1987.
On renewal of my passport, I had to go through the process all over again, where it was made as difficult as possible but didn’t charge us for the repeat stamp.
I’m not surprised it costs now.
The country I loved exists only in my memories now.
Once “they” declare you cannot fly because of some intentional or non-intentional quirk, then the fun begins.
I already have an older brother.
But I most certainly do not need a Big Brother.
I can emphatically agree with that, being in the same situation. I never needed an older brother telling me what to do or not do either.
So, given the masking technology that has been used in the IC for decades, there is no more security, at all.
Maybe everyone should stop flying for awhile. If the airlines lose money over this, they’ll start demanding an end to it.
Yeah, I know. Never gonna happen because people prefer convenience over principles. Just look at all those fools who lined up to get vexxed so they could travel.
Not everyone who wants to exercise their freedom and liberty to visit Yellowstone from
S. Florida has the time to drive there, visit, and drive back.
Air travel used to be simple and enjoyable. And noninvasive…
We are supposed to have a right to travel freely.
You drive, they scan your plate. Unless you never ever leave the country at all and never fly, you are connected to the system, right?
I had plans to visit Canada. After they stopped accepting my driver’s license to get back in my own country, I cancelled those plans.
It wold be nice if people would quit blaming the victims for this.
I suppose one could interpret the right to assemble as a right to travel freely, but there is nothing in the Constitution that says you have a right to get from one coast to another in a day. Don’t remember anything about the right to take vacations either.
Also, the chance that your license plate is scanned depends on where you live and how busy the local cops are. I rarely see cops on the road where I live, and when I do it’s usually because someone has been pulled over.
As for blaming the victim, first, criticism isn’t blaming. And second, willing victims deserve some criticism.
So visit the Smoky Mountains instead. A trip to Yellowstone isn’t worth giving up your right to privacy… to not be tracked wherever you go. Then again, you’ve already given up that right if you carry a cell phone wherever you go. (I still use a landline.)
If you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.
Trust them, they’re from the government and they’re here to help.
They’ve been perfecting biometric collection for at least 20+ years, since they rolled it out early during the Iraq and Afghanistan forever wars.
I read your first sentence, and I felt RAGE building.
Whew.
The Left already weaponizes everything. They already put innocent people on terror watch lists to make it difficult for them to travel. Facial recognition may make it easier for them but the problem was already here.
This was the flashpoint for the Truckers Freedom Convoy here in Canada. A trucker was going across the border and the agent had already accessed his data through his phone. He did not have to show anything. He had an epiphany of what this meant. At the time, it was about forced vaccination but you knew the bad places we were going to end up in.
unfortunately, we have portions of our own populations who will gladly build and ride on the train cars to oblivion.
God has already won but we must endure ourselves until then.
The 1960s series “The Prisoner” starring Patrick McGoohan depicted a man abducted to a small island town where all needs were met but people were constantly monitored and every move anticipated. One recurring meme was his front door opening for him when he entered his flat. Eventually he escaped the island and returned to London.
He didn’t notice when his flat door opened for him on his arrival home.
Creepy…
“… is when you depart from a foreign country, destined to the USA, the facial recognition is mandatory.” Well, that answers that question. My wife and I took an Antarctic cruise in January and went through the whole picture and thumbprint thing both entering and leaving Argentina. I was having a hard time thinking it had the infrastructure to track us down if it thought we’d overstayed our welcome but apparently that exercise wasn’t really for its benefit. When we returned, through DFW, we did have our passports examined.
In November/December of ’22 my wife and I were in Italy and took a cruise back. When we came into the US (Ft. Lauderdale as I recall), I handed my passport to the guy behind the counter, he never looked at it, but rather, he looked at his computer screen, looked up at me, and handed me my passport back.
My youngest kid and daughter-in-law were in Mexico a couple of months ago and he reported that they were just ushered off the flight and to baggage claim. No one even pretended to check them into the country …
This seems to me to have been going on for awhile now.
Miami 2024, we didn’t even have to slow down going “through Customs” (not even sure when we did that), nobody asked for anything or even looked at us directly. It was as easy as walking into Walmart through those automatic doors.
Nothing read any chip in my wallet because my wallet is RFID-shielded. Had to be the facial recognition at work.
This use of a human agent to compare with a database happens at the doctor’s office and a lot of other places.
Adding in AI, it even happens at some stores!
When told to do so, mismatches can be purposely allowed through as well.
Sundance, this is not new.
Where you departed from can make a difference.
And one-size-fits-all doesn’t apply these days.
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Realistically you were evaluated for entry long before you boarded the aircraft.
Likely you have a RFID-able passport as well as various accumulated data files.
Not only does your face provide confirmation, but in some cases your stride/gait and ears might be used.
Palm prints, finger prints, eye scans, voice profiles….
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Over the last several years, mostly traveling to the EU/UK, I’ve seen several of these in trials.
The EU/UK is seriously muddled up in the CTA (Common Travel Area) where if you can figure out what they are doing you are a lot smart than I am.
Sometimes they even do the US Customs in departure country. Last week when I arrived in the USA there was no immigration or customs, as they had been done before boarding. Walked out of the secure area to baggage claim, and you’re out of the system.
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The are collisions between some Departure Country procedures and our domestic ones. I mentioned the CTA, as arguably one might need a UK ETA (Electronic Travel Authorization) and eventually the new EU equivalent, or maybe you don’t? Never did find anyone who knew.
I no longer use a full passport, card only, and yes it has the RFID chip (I assume), but my wallet is RFID-shielded (because of the credit cards in it). Yet I breezed through customs last year, and I think also in 2023.
Unfortunately the Passport Card is limited.
Unless waived to allow the Card, you’re expected to have a full passport when flying internationally.
Cruising is a “it depends” situation based on the particular itinerary. You might need a full passport, or you might get by with a Gov Photo ID – check first.
Land the Passport Card works, and if just doing a USA-CDN or USA-MEX land trip you can also use a Global Entry (or certain similar) cards. (This I have done.)
There are some special arrangements for frequent crossers and other special cases.
An sometimes professional courtesies may be extended waiving some of the rules.
So just like the Patriot Act, Republicans create it and roll it out then the democrat/communists use it for their subversive purposes soon after.
So what happens when an illegal alien hits their face scanner? Do they get a pre-printed check for $10,000 and a free ceffone?
I last flew in ’79…I train, car,walk
And the sign said
“Long-haired freaky people
Need not apply”
So I tucked my hair up under my hat
And I went in to ask him why
He said, “You look like a fine upstandin’ young man
I think you’ll do”
So I took off my hat and said, “Imagine that
Huh, me workin’ for you”
I’m sorry Dave….. I’m afraid I can’t do that.
On the up side, then it should be easy to identify illegals as they stand in line. They could then be loaded up onto an airplane and removed from the USA.
Yet, the dems still oppose voter ID. This is Orwell’s dream in 1984. INGSOC by another name.
49 U.S. Code § 40103(2)A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.
Flying home from Stockholm to New York in 2000, I had a glass crystal napkin holder in my carry on. Got cleared in Stockholm and when I went thru security in New York they stopped me and showed me the X-ray of my bag. They said something like “Oh, this is the crystal glass” and on I went to my next flight. I had the distinct impression Stockholm had told New York about this item. And this was pre 9/11.
You got tagged.
Can be as simple as your experience or you can end up in an interview/inspection room for hours of fun & games.
Often just like antivirus software, certain things get you some sort of points, and when you have enough extra security clicks in.
Two ways of looking at SD’s admonition: stop the technology; stop the people using the technology for malevolent purposes.
Ultimately, in my view of things, it gets down to option two. It’s how the deterrence game is played: raise the cost of well defined limits on technology use until the point is found that the bad actors are inhibited. Cost, of course, can be defined in many ways.
It is very, very foolish to rely on this invasive technology for your “national security.”
Computers can be “gamed,” and they WILL be. You have been warned.
And passports haven’t for all eternity?
The equation is not whether a digital system can be gamed. It’s how difficult/costly is it to game the system. In the cybersecurity world, that’s about as close as one gets to a law of nature.
There is a weird aspect to all of this in the sense of consistency: facial recognition for authentication? Too much power invested in gov’t. Don’t trust people in power. Accept higher risk of aviation terrorism. Gun control? Guns don’t kill – people do. Accept higher risk that bad or crazy people can obtain weapons. Trust people to do the right thing; abide by the law. I get/support the whole 2A piece of it (legal rights; I am focused on risk). Two technologies that can both lead to detrimental outcomes have completely different perspectives when it comes to the human actors involved.
Different problem space when viewed from a risk perspective – and applications of the principle (people versus technology).
My intent here is to note the likely response from proponents of the technologies – in both cases.
Noting this is helpful, but what are the alternatives that are technology independent?
Realistically not much rises to an usable alternative that isn’t open to abuses.
Remember that “security is a relative situation” rather than an actual condition we can arrive at.
Security is on a continuum – shades of grey rather than the binary insecure/secure we’d like to be the case.
Clever are the ways the state of affairs can be nudged towards the secure end of the scale, especially if it can be done without undue burdens and costs.
Curious if you’ve spotted some opportunities to do this?
In order to travel domestically as of May 7th, you need a drivers license with what is called *real ID*. Since I only travel from NC to NY, I spent *SEVERAL* hours at 2 different DMVs trying to obtain one, to no avail.
Soooo, I decided easier to get a passport card (which actually was easier). However, that cost me $246. Now I can travel domestically (LOL). Will prob never travel internationally. But if so, they will not even require my $246 passport (per Sundance).
Tell me there is not a system that isn’t broken in the good ole USA?! :):):)
My state was long doing a Malicious Compliance for getting a real ID.
After making a half dozen trips with my documentation being rejected each time, I found that they consider your W-2 as an irrefutable identity source.
So I took mine and the DMV agent looked like they were going to have an aneurysm when they reviewed it.
Guess I must look like I am on welfare and they were surprised?
As the W-2 is basically an unverified receipt type document, using it for Real-ID is not very smart.
Once established it seems that Real-ID is a permanent thing for that person?
Again that they accepted a W-2 but didn’t consider passports, Global Traveler or any of my other official ID as acceptable on their own, leaves me scratching my head.
Is realID required to board a train from NC to NYC?
Travel between countries is one thing. Don’t think this isn’t coming intra-state.
The Trump administration should have pushed back on this.
Here we go, it was passed…. they already have…. should have done something sooner….
I don’t care.
Isn’t this administration fighting back on many other things that were done in previous administrations, that should not have been?
BTW why are we accepting a coverup for whatever occurred in a DC restaurant with the robbery of the DHS Secretary?
If someone hadn’t leaked to CNN, we wouldn’t have known a thing about it, and the Secret Service is being allowed to cover it up. Why aren’t we allowed to see a picture of the suspect?
No, this isn’t off-topic, until we know it is.
This solves the problem of illegal immigration.
Not an American citizen? Want to be one? For a price, Guido knows a guy who can flip a switch and you will show up in the data base as an upstanding American citizen.
Easy Peasy.
“Guido…” Chuckle, chuckle…
That is scary, but likely true. Every tool that is developed has the potential to be used for good — or for evil. Therefore, there must be law, there must be enforcement, there must judges, there must be justice.