We are not going to give up sharing generally hidden information and possible solutions just because it puts a target on our back. We will continue this conversation because we deserve to have this conversation, and the understanding within it. Additionally, we know that people who matter are watching this conversation. So, to answer some questions:
♦ Q: “if you had a direct line to the DNI team, what would you move to accomplish in the first 90 days?”
A: The DNI can assemble material from any silo. Meaning the DNI can reach into any IC silo and extract anything they want.
Under the original authorities given to the DNI, this authority exists. So, let’s spread the wings on this office and do exactly what it is permitted to do, only this time extract for the purpose of showing the President what is happening in every silo.
Almost every day an intelligence community overview assessment is compiled, it’s called the Presidential Daily Briefing or PDB.
The PDB contains content primarily produced by the CIA. However, in the modern era, the PDB is assembled and enhanced by adding information from other intelligence agencies (silos). The Director of National Intelligence assembles it; the position Tulsi Gabbard has recently been nominated for.
The DNI (now Tulsi) compiles the information, then delivers the PDB to the President, the National Security Advisor (now Mike Waltz) and the list of people assigned by the President to review it.
The PDB is the Intelligence Community (IC) telling the Office of the President, this is what’s going on. The PDB frames the worldview of the CIA and other agencies.
However, if the CIA/IC wants to frame policy and action to their agenda – and not to the agenda of the president/administration per se’ – the CIA/IC can shape the PDB information toward their own individual objectives. In the past several decades the CIA manipulation of the PDB became obvious.
Because the PDB was no longer considered to be an “independent” finding of fact, and was/is, instead, more of a CIA tool to shape and control the president, it became increasingly useless.
President Obama saw the traps within the CIA/IC use of the PDB and started to ignore it. Obama gave the PDB to almost two-dozen administration officials daily, essentially saying, “here this is what the CIA say is going on – check it out.” Meanwhile Obama did what he wanted to do in shaping policy, often regardless of the PDB content.
With an incoming President Trump administration, the CIA/IC use of the PDB to manipulate outcomes will be even more on display. With that in mind, here’s one approach that might be worth considering.
Make the CIA/IC (now Ratcliffe/Tulsi) provide a footnote for every assertion of fact within the PDB.
Put the footnotes into a classified appendix that includes sources and methods and give the appendix only to the National Security Advisor, now Mike Waltz. [ie. ‘Review and return’]
Let NSA Mike Waltz then review the attributions of source material in the White House SCIF. Then, if any concerns are noted, Waltz can turn to the National Security Council with a generalized statement describing the concern saying, “check this out.”
The NSC can then dig into the granular details and return with their own independent assessment about the validity of the information.
The National Security Advisor, Mike Waltz, can then go question the specific CIA/IC silo about any contradiction that might be at issue.
Do this enough times, and I predict the PDB will quickly change in both tone and content. The originators of the intelligence assessment, the CIA and other agencies, will be on notice that their homework is being checked by the National Security Council.
In essence, the DNI *CAN BE* deployed like a super strong cross-silo inspector general’s office. Force the other IC silos to comply with the demands of the DNI. This has never been done. But the DNI has this unique power.
The DNI can make the FBI, DOJ, DOJ-NSD, DoD, DoS and CIA provide anything and everything they demand. Instead of the other silos using blocks and threats against the office of the President, use the authority of the DNI to get them without confrontation. Then use the DNI to declassify the documents (if requested by potus), instead of the originating silo.
Can you see how the DNI office can be repurposed to be a seriously strong weapon in the toolbox of the President, against the schemes of those inside the various IC silos. The DNI becomes much more important than the CIA Director, NSA Director, FBI Director, Attorney General, etc, because the DNI can just show up and say, “give me this.” That’s the whole functional purpose of the DNI office that has never been exerted; let’s flippin’ use it.
Let’s use the office of the DNI as the central information hub that takes information from inside the corrupt silos, then provides that information to the President who puts sunlight upon it. Each corrupt silo penetrated with disinfectant. This could begin a process to pull down the shadow operations and let the American public see what has been happening inside our IC apparatus.
To accomplish this approach the National Security Advisor to the President (NSA), would be the person who tells the DNI exactly what they are looking for.
How does the NSA know what to look for? Because the National Security Advisor is the head of the National Security Council (NSC).
Now you see why I say put the strategic scruffy people like in a stripped down NSC.
Let the NSC monitor the silos with specific intent, then provide Trump’s NatSec Advisor with details on what appears to be happening and where.
With the approval of the President, the NSA then turns to the DNI and says, “POTUS wants this, go get this.”
Raw, unfiltered, unredacted information. The silo administrators end up in a fight with the ODNI, not the office of President Trump. President Trump then uses the power of his office to support the demands of the DNI.
Under this approach the DNI has a lot more power; yet funnily, it’s power they already have – yet have never utilized.
♦ Q: “Could Tulsi Gabbard actually enforce the rules for FISA? That would reduce spying by 95%.”
A: No. The DNI does not have any authority over how FISA is used. That is exclusively a DOJ-National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) decision.
♦ Q: “Has FISA ever been brought to the Supreme Court?”
A: No. You cannot bring FISA to the Supreme Court. It is not permitted because SCOTUS has ruled the judicial branch *must* defer all national security definitions to the executive branch. Period. End of Story. Understand this conundrum and you understand why this insufferable system continues without restriction.
♦ Q: “There are some voices here suggesting Gabbard lie her way into confirmation; agree with it all and fight it later. In your opinion, is this realistic, possible, sane, moral etc.?”
A: “In my opinion it is an unrealistic expectation. Whatever Tulsi Gabbard says to the SSCI during confirmation, is what she will be held accountable for. If she later deviates, specifically because of the interests we are discussing here, the Senate (both parties) will impeach her.
Chairman Tom Cotton and Vice-Chair Mark Warner will work together to remove her, if Gabbard flinches or moves one inch outside her senatorial permissions.
♦ Q: “Can Trump, on his own, end this FISA-702 thing? Can anyone answer this question for me please? Thanking you in advance…God bless America.”
A: Eh, sort of. As a confirmed Attorney General Pam Bondi can suspend the FISA process simply by not using the FISA Court. It would be a highly controversial thing to do, but President Trump is well within his “plenary” power to not use the FISA Court, and to use a standard Federal Court for Title-1 surveillance warrants; that can, if needed, be filed under seal. However, stopping the fraud and abuse via searches of the NSA database is another matter entirely.
♦ Q: “Add an amendment to 702 reauthorization saying any person who is involving an Illegal violation-spying of 702 is penalized with 3 mos in jail …that should stop abuses of 702 yet still keep program alive.”
A: I absolutely agree with a version of this. I have said so before. Any non-compliant access to the NSA database should immediately result in revocation of any/all classified security clearances, and immediate criminal prosecution should take place. Unfortunately, it will be challenging to do; because as IG Horowitz attested, over 10,000 users currently have access to this database across 1,500 workstations. {GO DEEP}
Office of Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified April 27, 2023, that more than 3.4 million search queries into the NSA database took place between Dec. 1st, 2020 and Nov. 30th, 2021, by government officials and/or contractors working on behalf of the federal government. These search queries were based on authorizations related to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Approximately 30% of those 3.4 million search queries were outside the rules and regulations that govern warrantless searches, what the politically correct government calls “non-compliant searches.” That means more than 1 million searches of private documents and communication of Americans were illegal and outside the rules.
Additionally, IG Horowitz also admitted that somewhere north of 10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database; a database which contains the electronic data of every single American, including emails, text messages, social media posts, instant messages, direct messages, phone calls, geolocation identifiers, purchases by electronic funds, banking records and any keystroke any American person puts into any electronic device for any reason. {READ MORE}


Confirms the meaning of Deep State………….
admins, can you please delete the above image/comment
it’s not what I entered, dunno how it happened’
thx
Your influence is quite outsized, Nim!
It did the same thing to me as above for one of my obit posts a little over a week ago.
I must have been a link to the photo as youtube links have never done that, hostile photo link subversion of some sort.
LOL nimrod, love it! Happened to me but I blew the screen page out haha. Yours works and a Statement Piece haha!
Next question is will they listen?
Or would they be afraid of a target on their back?
In that they’ll be a thinning down of entrenched DC/IC scum at the same time by Musk etc, both approaches to getting PDT the information he needs and taking an axe to the untouchable silos might not be all that tough
I admit I was naive when I suggested that she say whatever they wanted to get approved.
They are dragons guarding their lair.
So if Tulsi refuses to agree to allowing the IC to illegally spy on Americans for political purposes, they can remove her? I have a hard time swallowing that.
SCOTUS will not interfere with the 4th Branch of government violating Americans’ 4th Amendment rights willy nilly across the fruited plain? That’s also a hard pill to swallow. SCOTUS #1 priority is to make sure the government does not violate the Constitutional rights of Americans.
Something is seriously out of whack here.
We the People have not raised enough objection to her apparent capitulation on illegal 702 usage (against Americans who have not broken any laws but are ideologically opposed to the globalist Deep State Blob / government corruption).
The Fourth Branch has the goods on SCOTUS, too.
Real “goods” on ALL of them? Or fabricated smears for any justice who has no real immoral dealings?
This corrupt game of “checkmate” has to be exposed. No person is sinless. Only Jesus can claim that achievement.
Prolly both!
I agree, the Kulchur of Kompromat must end.
Sunlight for everyone!
(I picture Jeffery Goines every time I say that…)
Ah yes. 12 Monkeys was yet another example of A. uncanny prescience, B. well-informed art predicting future life, or C. simply life imitating art.
Personally I’m going with B.
“Predictive programming”?
Yes. That’s actually the Red Pilled Crowd’s previously established way of saying “well-informed art..”
Good comment!
Terry Gilliam is a trip.
He is! Got into the big time with Monty Python!
He did the weird animation with the pictures of feet between skits on the show..
I had forgotten that detail. Those shows were a total riot.
“Real “goods” on ALL of them? Or fabricated smears for any justice who has no real immoral dealings?”
Does it matter? All they have to do is get 50% of the country to believe the lie. We know how easy that is!
It WAS easy.
But IMHO there are signs that a majority (55% or more, maybe) of the public has awakened at least somewhat, and are not as ready to swallow the government/media BS as easily as most did the Covid hoax.
The MSM still has loud voices but they are playing to a markedly smaller audience than they did in 2020. 2024’s election fiasco (for the Democraps) jarred a lot of former Democrap voters into a cold reality.
Many anti-Trump politicians have had to grudgingly admit that Trump’s win came with a “mandate”, even though many haven’t said it out loud. Yes they will still fight dirty and obstruct but they don’t have anywhere near the support they had in 2016 or 2020
If the sunlight suggested by Sundance is enforced, then the fabrication would not be possible because there would be several way of accountability — with Teeth.
I don’t think three years of imprisonment and loss of top secret clearance is enough however.
Agree
Probably accurate conclusion.
Roberts and Barrett would vote with the 3 liberals, and Kavanaugh might too. Barett is an authoritarian, and Roberts will do whatever the uniparty wants.
Barrett is a disgrace. At least the 3 utopian, statist, collectivists were honest to the world.
Totally agree, CalCon. President Trump was sold a pig in a poke by Leonard Leo in #45’s first term. I do hope PDJT #47 will seek better sources for nominees…
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/24/nx-s1-5199049/federalist-society-conservative-supreme-court
Totally agree GB! SCOTUS referring matters of national security to the executive branch makes me think only PDJT can act/direct order on this. Another case of the most investigated, smeared, legally persecuted POTUS in US history with a mandate from We The People so deep state may try again but PDJT now has the bully pulpit to neutralize.
Been this way for a very long time my friend.
Five Eyes also has workarounds to the pesky rules the Founders compiled, to keep Americans free.
Every single one of us here, who have posted anything about the Blob, that we dont agree with, are labeled as those who will not comply with tyranny, when push comes to shove.
At my age, and health, and what is going on in my own life. I frankly my dear, do not give a single damn!
They can all burn in hell, as far as I am concerned. They cannot do to me, what has not already been done and more than once!
The only thing I trust, is God!~All others are sus!
Chief Justice Roberts and ONLY Roberts, was put in charge of creating and managing the secret FISA courts and judges.
Ultimately it was/is Chief Justice Roberts who permitted GOSSIP, “Steele Dossier” to be accepted as evidence to obtain a FISA warrant to endlessly spy on Trump and his associates.
In my opinion, Chief Justice Roberts broke his Oath of Office to defend the Constitution over and over again.
Secret courts. Secret judges Secret warrants. Secret surveillance. Manufactured evidence. That’s not just wacky.
What is ailing Mr. Roberts?
How do we effectively “raise objection”. We the People are gaining effectiveness as evidenced by:
The Bud Light response and the DEI retreat among corporations, but I suspect that was industry telling the WEF to drop their DEI demands on corporations because it was hurting their profit, and the WEF allowed it in news media.
It is interesting that there are so many things worthy of public outrage that are really there that are filtered out of the news media. This topic of the degree of unconstitutional spying on american citizens is one of them.
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I do not think Tulsi believes the FISA has zero place in providing security for our nation. I tend to agree that no FISA could create a massive miss of time sensitive intelligence in certain scenarios. However, she can MANAGE the process proactively to keep abuse at a minimum. Yes, immediately arrest and prosecute any who abuse it. Make a sincere factual evaluation annually per requirement and STOP the program if it is being mishandled. The Senate would have a difficult time opposing that to the American people.
Yep ,…like they are gonna impeach her for prosecuting provable fraud in the FISA 702 program. They might try but would put a spotlight on the whole raunchy business.
Start with searches on ex-wives or insider stock info. Go after the really egregious things that no one would argue with and then work up the chain.
Well, the ugly truth is…..wait for it……
They do not care.
They rub it in our faces, every minute of every day. More so now, than ever, in history. This is what Americans deal with. They simply treat everyone as a serf, to be used and abused, like a bad partner in a abusive relationship.
They don’t care, true. But We the People do. You do and I do.
Thats why the 12 steps of battered conservatives is important (and the twelve traditions). It is family principles and discipleship universal principles.
The boundary is ours to make. That is our data, our lives, our homes, our families they are invading. We take it away from them. They’ve shown us they have no respect of anything sacred.
Remove them. They must feel pain that says, “Don’t even think about f*cking with us”
Agreed. Prosecute all abusers of FISA – 3 months in jail + loss of security clearance and thus job.
3 months? Minimum 3 years. Or 5 years, minimum.
The system needs to be dismantled. It cannot be repaired. No one has has the capability to restructure it so that abuse will not reoccur. It’s like you have a gun and a hostile guy is 20 feet away with a knife and he says he is going to kill you when you fall asleep. Sure, you are safe as long as you can stay awake, but as soon as your attention wanes you are finished. The solution is not to try harder to stay awake longer, but to END THE THREAT so that you can sleep in peace. Whose country is it?
Sometimes when the scope of a task/problem is too large or complex, the corrective actions are implemented in phases.
Two things about that.
First I believe that other countries have similar system so unlikely we get rid of it.
Second I don’t remember how I knew this but didn’t a private contractor duplicate our system and was using it for financial gains and political advantage attacks?
Since congress wants to protect/enlarge the SS (Surveillance State), how can punishment be meted out for the flagrant abuse?
Boycotts of their stock portfolios…
Triple blind trusts.
Brokers blowing billions in the market without a clue whose Congressional ox they are goring.
How many have personal or family businesses? I am grabbing at roots on the edge of the cliff here, buddy… Other than mass non participation protests what do we have?
President Trump trying to wrestle a monolithic leviathan?
Wait until this new fangled Attempted Intelligence reads about what we put up with from Congress then we’re fuct.
I hear you.
I’m clinging on right beside you.
If the Derps thwart PDJT’S efforts at peaceable reform, all bets are off.
Maybe President Trump can release the List of Beneficiaries of the Staffer and Paige Sexual Abuse Hush Fund we pay for.
Maybe that will dislodge some of the calcitrate Uniparty Apparatus that we just can’t seem to get close to voting out of permanent residency.
Can you imagine the chaos of every American finding zip files in their every device with a dump that makes Wikileaks look like Captain Kangaroo?
We’d tear it down, and them apart, with our bare hands.
Well yeah. There’s always that. Nobody wants that. 1 thing I do know, either The Constitution Matters Or It Doesn’t.
Some of We the People do not care and will never care until they incur some suffering personally. They cannot see and refuse to look beyond the phone in front of their face and their self gratification.
^^this!
Flogging followed by tar and feathers and time in the stocks?
Agencies make their own rules.
“Additionally, I know that people who matter are watching this conversation. ”
Sundance, will these people who matter actually be serious about executing your outline in a beneficial way?
Or do the people who constitute the deep state have countermeasures to thwart such a move?
What is going on is not Constitutional.
The Founding Fathers would have none of what’s going on.
Think about what we know about the fisa court and the Intel agencies so far,and that without help from anyone inside. Now put Trump’s people in and imagine what the public is about to know. Those that matter will either do something about it or they’ll have another crowd in DC. IMHO.
We are no longer a constitutional republic . We will have to fight to get it back. That is not happening.
We have a Congress fully aware of the IC DeepState at this moment of time. They make absolutely sure they will not be watched, measured and judged by such a system, but they absolutely don’t care if we citizens are. Note there are NO whistle blowers either. Further, we have a complete Judiciary that has already decided they need to keep their eyes closed on any matter titled”National Security”, whether it is or not.
AMAZINGLY THEN, 2 of the 3 branches of government only want the other branch, the Executive branch, to stay hands off and permissive of this SECRET COURT, intended for foreigners only; not Americans!
I can’t help but believe our founding Father, George Washington, would have spilled blood over such BS!
The founding fathers would have been slacking them like cord wood by now…
Stacking
Yes.they.would.
I like the immediate prosecution idea. It’s up in 2 years, someone should pitch that to POTUS and Mike Johnson.
Mike Johnson – Hahahahahaha….Hahahahahaha…..lololol….. Gimme summa whut you smokin’!!!!
That’s quite rude.
Worse, I agree.
I still think there is a patriot in there somewhere, his most recent moves notwithstanding.
Given the lack of objective evidence, your belief there is “a patriot in there somewhere” can only be ascribed to wishful thinking, aka Hopium.
And frankly, when you are in a life and death struggle, you just can not afford hopium; it will get you killed.
The evidence is his career before becoming speaker. This isn’t from thin air, my friend.
Me as well….But we need someone with Nuts to follow it through
Was the motive of why the red team congress are so pro 702 ever explained? There must be more to it than the IC told them its important to have. Its hard to see them impeaching Tulsi over this.
Think of ways they can financially and politically benefit from the system being in place.
Two Wings, One Vulture; Mucha Mierda.
Blackmail. The IC knows everything about every Senator.
I still think there is room to maneuver on this point. She begins to see the massive abuse of the system and publicizes it. She won’t have to act. Just keep screaming in the bullhorn.
If you need an explainer and further info regarding the last pic….here ya go:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/?s=Perkins+Coie
With a surveillance state in place, we become an oligarchy masquerading as a Constitutional Republic.
Can’t happen.
Hopefully, Gabbard will reverse herself and work with those in agreement at DOJ to get rid of FISA 702.
Or someone else with suitable authority.
Our Republic…
“She’s dead, Jim.”
“You take his shoes,I want his tri-corder!”
“I get his Rolex!”
Go on, dutch…it’s yours.
They taken our liberty and our privacy, they would like to penalize us for speaking about what we’ve noticed….and we’re obliged by law to pay them through taxation for doing so.
I might as well have the designer shoes 😎
“Damn it, Jim. I’m a doctor not a Constitutional scholar!”
Gotta say, BamanIcious, we surely could use a few of the latter. They seem pretty thin on the ground, at least any in the judciary willing to abide by their oaths to support that tattered document.
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Even worse for Oliver h control is the fact that they direct the mass media via ownership.
Intended to say oligarch control. Wow.
Welcome to my world…
I chuckled, then sobbed a bit.
Became. Past tense.
“However, stopping the fraud and abuse via searches of the NSA database is another matter entirely.”
Publish the list of requesters and requestees. Put sunlight on it. Let us ALL SEE WHAT HAS GONE ON.
Cut way down on the number of people authorized to submit 702’s.
Remember Samantha Power’s admission that a great number of people had used her name to submit someone for 702’s and she didn’t know who they were?
If I am wrong, somebody please correct me…..
https://almariam.com/2022/06/12/decoding-deconstructing-and-fact-checking-usaid-administrator-samantha-powers-foreign-policy-address-of-june-7-2022-part-i/
(The link is just a summation of her speech that no one in her positon had ever done a speech like this before…..weird.)
Restrict the number of locations as well.
No way are 1,500 workstations adequately guarded and restricted.
I remember LAN parties hosting Quake II Frag Fests when deployed, exulting and screams echoing throughout the hangar; I imagine access to our everything looks a lot like that at times.
That doesn’t end her culpability.
That was plausible deniability. She did it.
Remember that the contractors were allowed also to submit names for 702’s. There are too many entities allowed to do this. STOP IT.
I agree: Require unique logins & limit the number of workstations. Violate the rules and you’re gone. Preferably prosecuted due to the sensitivity of the information. Any large Corporation would immediately fire someone who intentionally violated company rules for data access.
May be dumb on my part…..but what if certain info they want hidden ,never goes into the PDB. These people are capable of anything. Ignoring rules, laws and the constitution seem to be business as usually. If garbage on the FISA is left out there is nothing for them to check.
It’s not dumb and it’s somewhat related to my own question for Sundance. One of the items the silos are eager to hide are their mistakes…things they got terribly wrong and may even have cost lives.
How do we prevent them from hiding their mistakes? Perhaps that’s up to the individual heads of each silo. Certainly we know from past experience we cannot rely on the IGs to act in a timely or effective manner.
The NSC, working properly, should be looking for certain information; absence of such would merit investigations whose revelations could prove, useful.
Material Omission is treason too, but hard to find.
Get the FBLie out of the intel business…as a matter of fact just eliminate the FBLie lock, stock and barrel.
Destroying that completely corrupt cesspool is key to eliminating the politization of counter intel in the domestic space. Give it back to the military where it belongs.
ps…
NO MERCY!
WHO CAN DELETE ANY AND ALL NAMES ABLE TO USE FISA AND THEN MAKE PEOPLE REAPPLY BASED ON NEED.
Good point but no need to yell.
lol!
Im sorry but I always giggle a bit, when its termed as yelling….Hehe!
I suppose it is, in effect, but it is always funny, 100 per cent of the time to me 😉
“In essence, the DNI *CAN BE* deployed like a super strong cross-silo inspector general’s office.”
Yeah!
Good granular stuff here, (well deserved applause). If only there were a way to “hard wire” into the system an alert whenever an American Citizen has been inadvertently (lol) scooped into their rotten net and have it transmitted to a database run by people outside the silos perhaps a bipartisan “watchdog” group that monitors the collection process. It would take moving heaven and earth I am sure and also a ton of $$ to set up.
Inadvertent or no, notice one has been electronically cavity searched should be provided relatively promptly.
If it doesn’t result in an arrest, it must be disclosed.
Need a new law, The You’ve Been Violated Act.
I’m hoping that Tulsi can just tell all the pro-702 search hounds that she’ll support reauthorization, and then just tell them all of intercourse-off after she’s in the position.
Maybe a good idea and something the dems would do but we don’t really want to resort to their methods, do we?
The aggressor sets the rules!
If the battle is karateka vs streetfighter I’ll bet streetfighter every time.
Exactly. The other side fights dirty.
There is no need to play by any, tut tut rules, anymore, after what has been done to the US and thus, the world, by these modern day thugs…
Playing nice only gets you abused even more. This much, we have seen, as a matter of record. When they throw heat, you throw it back! That is the only way to get results. They went to the gutter, more times than we can imagine. Nicey nice gets you nowhere with Communist’s.
In this case, it’s not the democrats vs. republicans. It’s American citizens vs. rogue gubment.
We lost the Country, but at least we were honorable about it.
Thanks for doing this Sundance.
A power you may have overlooked is the power of martial law. It would be the most extraordinary power President Trump could invoke. Any protests of dismantling the FISA Court and the Illegal spying on Americans could land protesters in Military Gulag.
This would need to be the last option to root out the sedition
Why are some people so obsessed with martial law and military tribunals? These are dangerous in the extreme and not a part of our national tradition, not to mention their dubious legality. I understand our desperation, truly, but as Trump said during covid, let’s not have the cure be worse than the disease.
We’re Americans, we don’t want martial law implemented by a dictator.
Generally agree, but the current system no longer resembles law and order of a constitutional republic.
Ill remind you, the Founding Fathers, had no such thoughts or rules. Just a gentle reminder, that playing by the rules, doesn’t win you a war.
Thanks Bobo, Sounds like a good reminder to watch The Patriot this week!
No can do…lawfully, constitutionally. You’ll have to point to the Article, Section, and clause that gives the President that explicit power.
Because the National Security Advisor is the head of the National Security Council (NSC).
However, stopping the fraud and abuse via searches of the NSA database is another matter entirely.
What sort of choke points / firewall could NSA Mike Waltz put between the database and the persons doing the searches?
Can NSA actually do a review/audit of the FISA warrant and the underlying FBI Woods procedures before allowing a search? If it looks sketchy, bounce it back to the FISC judge.
Can they limit the searches to federal agents/agencies to be conducted from a federal building? No more contractors.
What else?
Haul Admiral Rogers and his assistant back into the Oval.
NSA gonna be the gatekeeper checking the work of the corrupt FISA courts?
I don’t see the collectors of Kompromat concerned about such niceties.
Re the database, and probably very silly question about those 10,000 users – change the password?
I don’t think it’s a password issue. The database just gets programmatically copied and provided to various entities. Personally, if that one thing x 10,000 contractors was done (cut off everybody until things get straightened out, which will never happen), it would solve a lot of problems. That is actually a tactic big companies use when they can’t find the source of a hack/leak. They just turn off access at the firewall until they can run down the specific problem. You’ll probably see them call that “technical difficulties” or an “unknown outage”.
My two cents: unless the incoming administration performs surgery on “the system”, nothing is going to happen.
Ha!!! Good suggestion, if possible.
“Change the password” EVERY HOUR, and each hour only give it to a certain number of people, noting their names. The next hour, with the new password, give it to another set of a certain number of people, noting their names, and so on and so forth. This way if you have abuses during certain hours, you’ll have a smaller list of names to interrogate as to why congresswoman Harriet Hageman was investigated 15 times during one hour.
The FISA Court is un-constitutional and will always be abused. Get rid of it and get rid of anyone who supports it.
Nice Sudance. Granular stuff us commoners aren’t privy to.
Can’t all access be revoked and security clearances be reassigned to a specific departments or work stations with fingerprint logins?
Probably. Good point.
Unauthorized access is also a cybersecurity issue. Any unauthorized access is identified and locked out. DHS alerted.
Every workstation physically guarded 24/7.
At the moment, I am certain many uses have many unauthorized eyes upon it.
“…SCOTUS has ruled the judicial branch *must* defer all national security definitions to the executive branch”
If I have this correct, in other words, SCOTUS has deferred all FISA 4th Amendment questions (and violations) to the executive branch?
I’ll look up the court cases in which those decisions were made, and how recent they were, because I’m quite curious.
There was an outfit/lawfirm that I once had trace to all things Russiangate. The resistance was coming from there. It was not Perkins Coie. I need to go back, but it was like the hidden funding source for everything. Tides and NGO’s come to mind.
?FISA 702’s are how the hunters will become the hunted? Just thinking out loud.
‘…the DNI can just show up and say, “give me this.” ‘
And then, true to form, the agency/office can say ‘Will do!”, and then sandbag.
“Where’s the stuff I asked for?”
“Doing our best, working on it…”
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But this is all academic. Many good ideas for reform, none will have any effect.
Dark, Dude.
Please keep hammering away Sundance. I believe you have effected great change.
As noted, she can’t deviate from what she promised them or impeached in nano second. But, can she turn light/transparency on who is caught up in sweeps (and maybe why)? As in, as soon as she finds out instead of the people find out years later?
True. Just expose everything. I still want to know about Judge Contreras.
” However, stopping the fraud and abuse via searches of the NSA database is another matter entirely.” -Sundance
My guess is illegal surveillance of the NSA database will continue even if the FISA 702s are not reauthorized by Congress in 2026! It’s become ingrained/second nature in the IC to spy on any American they feel a need to spy on!!! Exactly who will stop them? Just wondering? JMO
Makes too much sense Sundance. Probably never happen. I don’t understand how a senate committee can control what a presidents cabinet can and cannot do??
A gradual purposeful usurpation via the 17th giving the upper house to masters of foreign intrigue and granting them powers far beyond the intent of Advise and Consent.
The Senate is the creator enabler and protector of the Fourth Branch, which in turn protects and controls the Senate.
Furthermore, I consider that the Derp State MUST be destroyed!!
It’s advise & control now.
Dictate and Control, yes.
Thanks for the additional information.
Much appreciated. 👏
I don’t think very many of the people who are throwing the levers on this mess even understand their job description.
Why not just use it to snoop on enemies of freedom? Perkins Coie/Lawfare types. I know, I know. Then we’re no better than the serpents that abused it on us. Two wrongs don’t make a right and all that stuff. No revenge, just justice & accountability. Kind of a Clinton moment with the fly over military jets. “Those are our jets now Sir.” I’ll take the high road which is God’s road. Vengeance on these evil doers is His! We can help facilitate it. Just not by nefarious methods.
re: “any person who is involving an Illegal violation-spying of 702 is penalized with 3 mos in jail” and difficulty because of contractor access…
Why not revoke all access and make everyone re-apply for access?
And then anyone who uses any access, whether the original assignee or contractor, it is the legal responsibility of the original access owner to follow the proper rules or pay the penalty.
If Netflix can do it so can the DOJ.
Alternately, President Trump could just make every US citizen an honorary Congressional staffer…
Three months in jail – heck that is badge of honor. Take one of the people making illegal searches and give them the ultimately penalty on television and I’ll guarantee you it will stop. Put out the word that the first 1,000 that turn state’s evidence will be given immunity and watch what happens.
There is a chance to get the FISA court into the Supreme Court. It would require Congress to force the Court’s hand by giving it appellate or original jurisdiction in all cases arising from FISA violations and suits. The SCOTUS punted itself out of their Check/Balance responsibility by fiat. That’s what cowards do.
Especially cowards who have been informed by the Derp State just how dark their sins are.
1)Does or doesn’t the NSA database contain communications between the conspirators, for the Russia, Russia, Plandemic,2020 election steal, and J6 Fedsurection or not?
Of COARSE it does! Such large scale operations could nkot possibly have been coordinated without lots of communications, fro phone calls to emails and text messsges….etc.
2) Can’t these crimes be considered so aggregious
and such a threat to our Republic that as either acts of terrorism or espionage they qualify for FISA warrants with 702 About searches of the NSA database?
Of COARSE they can! Elections have already been designated as critucal infrastructure, and shining sunlight on these crimes, so bdight and clear that none can
deny them is ESSENTIAL.
3) Wouldn’t such an action be the best way to dissolve all opposition to reforming the system, as those most resisting any reforms found themselves under the glare?
Assign an AI named Derp Blue to access the NSA and iniate the largest RICO investigation and prosecution in history.
The Derps would burn it all down to escape the fates they’ve earned.
We’d still hang ’em though.
🙏🏻 NOW YOUR TALKING, I WILL BRING THE ROPE, MADE FROM HEMP IN THE USA.🇺🇸
Seems to me to be an immediate demand by the president. Get me every piece of the commo related to Russiagate. Every single piece. Then do J6.
“Q: “Can Trump, on his own, end this FISA-702 thing? Can anyone answer this question for me please? Thanking you in advance…God bless America.”
A: Eh, sort of. As a confirmed Attorney General Pam Bondi can suspend the FISA process simply by not using the FISA Court. It would be a highly controversial thing to do, but President Trump is well within his “plenary” power to not use the FISA Court, and to use a standard Federal Court for Title-1 surveillance warrants; that can, if needed, be filed under seal. However, stopping the fraud and abuse via searches of the NSA database is another matter entirely.”
According to a commenter on your part 1 THE Conversation thread, the collection of the data, without which searches legal or otherwise are useless, is authorised merely by an EO from the Bush/Reagan era. If that’s the case, why doesn’t Trump simply cancel that and force Congress to pass legislation, which at least puts it into the public forum for debate, if nothing else, given we all know Congress would indeed do such a thing, but they would certainly hate being forced to be seen doing it… Below is that comment:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2025/01/13/the-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-11467519
Is this their “currency”. Do they have any other currency other than control of information to control We The People? No other value?
Unfortunately, it will be challenging to do; because as IG Horowitz attested, over 10,000 users currently have access to this database across 1,500 workstations.
If I did the math correctly that means each work station is accessed by 6.666 users.
Seems like a good place to ask what did you do today?
Perhaps a random quality control pull would reduce the abuse.
Presidents Director of Quality Control? DQC??
Take away one 6 from your math and that’s kind of spooky…
Dump the database in its entirety. The collection of it violates our United States Constitution. The repeated MISUSE of it constitutes agencies and members who are untrustworthy.
If a person was unlawfully searched or records unlawfully seized out of compliance with the 4th amendment, said person must be notified that there was a data breach of his or her records and should be given the information that was viewed and captured. Recourse is due that person for the unlawful act(s) against the perpetrators who should also be revealed, name, rank, and serial number!
Should data need to be collected, it should be done the compliant way, with a court order and under strict adherence of boundaries – dates, times, transactional data parameters – and not carte blanche full data capture or review. If there is legitimate legal violations of said citizen enough to invoke a Grand Jury – then do it.
No more hanky panky – and anyone accused of a crime as a result of invalid search and seizure – well, they are off the hook during the time frame of the FISA 702 violations – because the information was obtained illegally. This “identify a person” and I will “find you a crime”… is absolute NONSENSE.
Time to get back to common sense and faith in the jurisprudence of the law.
Rods From God.
It’s the only way to be sure.
Tungsten @ 32ft/sec/sec….💥
Saddest part is ,woo is that they have been able to spiderweb together any any all “weirdos” at the drop of a hat for a few years now, how many domestic attacks/mass shootings has it prevented?
Is it because they don’t want to follow the leads it generates right now, just to let carnage and chaos rule the day?
Sundance for DNI. There, problem solved.
Bravo
Great Article Sundance……
One thing I wanted to add…Lets say these clowns actually toss President Trump something totally Legit and it is something that needs immediate attention…
And they (The Trump Administration) does go the Obama route as you suggest and President Trump does the “check it out” Like Obama…
and suddenly all hell breaks loose….
I seriously believe President Trump would NOT get the privilege of the Media – Rino’s and the Lefties ignoring any “wrong doing” as Obama would.
Is it possible that something like that could happen and tie up his Presidency?…the Rino’s and Lefties are waiting for it..they are waiting for anything….
Who controls access to the 702 files meta data? Can that access be reevaluated with stricter access requirements.
“If she later deviates, specifically because of the interests we are discussing here, the Senate (both parties) will impeach her.”
So why can’t she do a mayorkas and say, “meh, whatever” and do her thing anyway?
“Chairman Tom Cotton and Vice-Chair Mark Warner will work together to remove her,…”
Again, where was Tom Cotton, or any other republican when Mayorkas did his thing for 4 years?
“,… if Gabbard flinches or moves one inch outside her senatorial permissions.”
I say PISS on those “permissions!”
They already have and it’s time to do it right back ten times!
If the Senate goes after a confirmed DNI Tulsi then, as the Derp State enablers they are, they must be destroyed!
Considering their high exposure and limited number, the Senate, especially The Intell Committee, is the most obvious and vulnerable weak link of the entire Derp State.
Using 702 and beyond to exhume all Senatorial Kompromat could empower VSGGEPDJT to destroy the Senate’s anti-Constitutional grip on the Executive.
Wanna impeach Tulsi? OK, here’s some sunlight for you!
I like that a lot.
We are in a knife fight, and continue to delude ourselves that we are in a dual.
“Rules,…? I a knife fight?
There ain’t no rules in a knife fight!”
“Glad we are agreed on that”, Sundance says, while kicking his opponent in the fork.
Different Sundance, but the character played by Paul Newman had the right idea.
See how hard they fight to keep it, when we start using it against THEM.
Thats the only way to get any meaningful restriction on it.
“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over. The moment the Men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these Men who wanted to be left alone, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy… but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”
They need to be taught a lesson, one so severe their children’s grandchildren will know and understand what happened and why such wrath was brought down apon them.
Rambo
I so preferred it when the name Butch meant a man…
Impeachment originates in the HoR not the Senate.
I believe Tulsi is an honest broker. Add in changes at the DOJ, State, FBI, DHS, DOD and GOD knows where else, it’s possible we can get some progress
This is great Sundance!
Man I love the new media!
after all this handwringing,what
s the takeaway?...the takeaway is that the g.o.pe still has control of some of the most important ,anti-american,pro deep-state tools that help them continue to rule with an iron fist.......i was mentioning to some friends on another site that the left is again hammering us on "taxcuts for rich repub patrons" being the first and foremost agenda item...and of course,it is..the dems arent wrong about that caricature of republicans..it is true…..we have to face the fact that the republican establishment stil has control of some of the most important levers of power….we have too damned many stupid voters who are unwilling to vote against worthless,anti-maga incumbents…..
so,if tulsi doesn
t bend the knee to some extent,we arent getting who we want…if they zap gabbard,theyll zap the next "gabbard-like' nominee who has a similar p.o.v. on deep state power run amok....i think gabbard has pretty much been anti-deep state control of all this spying and government control(even when she was a dem)...would we be better letting her say what needs to be said knowing that in her bones she is basically opposed to all these shananigans?....who will we be able to get confirmed who will be better?..its not just gabbard…it
s anybody willing to buck the deep state( and the fact that gabbard would be a valuable scalp)....this is similar to the whole speaker fiasco...we can keep playing speaker musical chairs till the cows come home but it wont change who the bad guys will let pass go….we have dumb voters…truthfully i
sd rather gabbard say what needs to be said and trump still have someone he wants in the position...i prefer her to another establishment republican apparatchik out of bush-era central casting...we arent getting perfection…
“shenanigans”
The roving font choice is a poor one.
I find it hard to follow.
I know the intent is to grab attention, but it is an order of magnitude more irritating than TLDR.