We are not going to give up sharing generally hidden information and possible solutions just because it puts a target on our back. We will continue this conversation because we deserve to have this conversation, and the understanding within it. Additionally, we know that people who matter are watching this conversation. So, to answer some questions:
♦ Q: “if you had a direct line to the DNI team, what would you move to accomplish in the first 90 days?”
A: The DNI can assemble material from any silo. Meaning the DNI can reach into any IC silo and extract anything they want.
Under the original authorities given to the DNI, this authority exists. So, let’s spread the wings on this office and do exactly what it is permitted to do, only this time extract for the purpose of showing the President what is happening in every silo.
Almost every day an intelligence community overview assessment is compiled, it’s called the Presidential Daily Briefing or PDB.
The PDB contains content primarily produced by the CIA. However, in the modern era, the PDB is assembled and enhanced by adding information from other intelligence agencies (silos). The Director of National Intelligence assembles it; the position Tulsi Gabbard has recently been nominated for.
The DNI (now Tulsi) compiles the information, then delivers the PDB to the President, the National Security Advisor (now Mike Waltz) and the list of people assigned by the President to review it.
The PDB is the Intelligence Community (IC) telling the Office of the President, this is what’s going on. The PDB frames the worldview of the CIA and other agencies.
However, if the CIA/IC wants to frame policy and action to their agenda – and not to the agenda of the president/administration per se’ – the CIA/IC can shape the PDB information toward their own individual objectives. In the past several decades the CIA manipulation of the PDB became obvious.
Because the PDB was no longer considered to be an “independent” finding of fact, and was/is, instead, more of a CIA tool to shape and control the president, it became increasingly useless.
President Obama saw the traps within the CIA/IC use of the PDB and started to ignore it. Obama gave the PDB to almost two-dozen administration officials daily, essentially saying, “here this is what the CIA say is going on – check it out.” Meanwhile Obama did what he wanted to do in shaping policy, often regardless of the PDB content.
With an incoming President Trump administration, the CIA/IC use of the PDB to manipulate outcomes will be even more on display. With that in mind, here’s one approach that might be worth considering.
Make the CIA/IC (now Ratcliffe/Tulsi) provide a footnote for every assertion of fact within the PDB.
Put the footnotes into a classified appendix that includes sources and methods and give the appendix only to the National Security Advisor, now Mike Waltz. [ie. ‘Review and return’]
Let NSA Mike Waltz then review the attributions of source material in the White House SCIF. Then, if any concerns are noted, Waltz can turn to the National Security Council with a generalized statement describing the concern saying, “check this out.”
The NSC can then dig into the granular details and return with their own independent assessment about the validity of the information.
The National Security Advisor, Mike Waltz, can then go question the specific CIA/IC silo about any contradiction that might be at issue.
Do this enough times, and I predict the PDB will quickly change in both tone and content. The originators of the intelligence assessment, the CIA and other agencies, will be on notice that their homework is being checked by the National Security Council.
In essence, the DNI *CAN BE* deployed like a super strong cross-silo inspector general’s office. Force the other IC silos to comply with the demands of the DNI. This has never been done. But the DNI has this unique power.
The DNI can make the FBI, DOJ, DOJ-NSD, DoD, DoS and CIA provide anything and everything they demand. Instead of the other silos using blocks and threats against the office of the President, use the authority of the DNI to get them without confrontation. Then use the DNI to declassify the documents (if requested by potus), instead of the originating silo.
Can you see how the DNI office can be repurposed to be a seriously strong weapon in the toolbox of the President, against the schemes of those inside the various IC silos. The DNI becomes much more important than the CIA Director, NSA Director, FBI Director, Attorney General, etc, because the DNI can just show up and say, “give me this.” That’s the whole functional purpose of the DNI office that has never been exerted; let’s flippin’ use it.
Let’s use the office of the DNI as the central information hub that takes information from inside the corrupt silos, then provides that information to the President who puts sunlight upon it. Each corrupt silo penetrated with disinfectant. This could begin a process to pull down the shadow operations and let the American public see what has been happening inside our IC apparatus.
To accomplish this approach the National Security Advisor to the President (NSA), would be the person who tells the DNI exactly what they are looking for.
How does the NSA know what to look for? Because the National Security Advisor is the head of the National Security Council (NSC).
Now you see why I say put the strategic scruffy people like in a stripped down NSC.
Let the NSC monitor the silos with specific intent, then provide Trump’s NatSec Advisor with details on what appears to be happening and where.
With the approval of the President, the NSA then turns to the DNI and says, “POTUS wants this, go get this.”
Raw, unfiltered, unredacted information. The silo administrators end up in a fight with the ODNI, not the office of President Trump. President Trump then uses the power of his office to support the demands of the DNI.
Under this approach the DNI has a lot more power; yet funnily, it’s power they already have – yet have never utilized.
♦ Q: “Could Tulsi Gabbard actually enforce the rules for FISA? That would reduce spying by 95%.”
A: No. The DNI does not have any authority over how FISA is used. That is exclusively a DOJ-National Security Division (DOJ-NSD) decision.
♦ Q: “Has FISA ever been brought to the Supreme Court?”
A: No. You cannot bring FISA to the Supreme Court. It is not permitted because SCOTUS has ruled the judicial branch *must* defer all national security definitions to the executive branch. Period. End of Story. Understand this conundrum and you understand why this insufferable system continues without restriction.
♦ Q: “There are some voices here suggesting Gabbard lie her way into confirmation; agree with it all and fight it later. In your opinion, is this realistic, possible, sane, moral etc.?”
A: “In my opinion it is an unrealistic expectation. Whatever Tulsi Gabbard says to the SSCI during confirmation, is what she will be held accountable for. If she later deviates, specifically because of the interests we are discussing here, the Senate (both parties) will impeach her.
Chairman Tom Cotton and Vice-Chair Mark Warner will work together to remove her, if Gabbard flinches or moves one inch outside her senatorial permissions.
♦ Q: “Can Trump, on his own, end this FISA-702 thing? Can anyone answer this question for me please? Thanking you in advance…God bless America.”
A: Eh, sort of. As a confirmed Attorney General Pam Bondi can suspend the FISA process simply by not using the FISA Court. It would be a highly controversial thing to do, but President Trump is well within his “plenary” power to not use the FISA Court, and to use a standard Federal Court for Title-1 surveillance warrants; that can, if needed, be filed under seal. However, stopping the fraud and abuse via searches of the NSA database is another matter entirely.
♦ Q: “Add an amendment to 702 reauthorization saying any person who is involving an Illegal violation-spying of 702 is penalized with 3 mos in jail …that should stop abuses of 702 yet still keep program alive.”
A: I absolutely agree with a version of this. I have said so before. Any non-compliant access to the NSA database should immediately result in revocation of any/all classified security clearances, and immediate criminal prosecution should take place. Unfortunately, it will be challenging to do; because as IG Horowitz attested, over 10,000 users currently have access to this database across 1,500 workstations. {GO DEEP}
Office of Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified April 27, 2023, that more than 3.4 million search queries into the NSA database took place between Dec. 1st, 2020 and Nov. 30th, 2021, by government officials and/or contractors working on behalf of the federal government. These search queries were based on authorizations related to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
Approximately 30% of those 3.4 million search queries were outside the rules and regulations that govern warrantless searches, what the politically correct government calls “non-compliant searches.” That means more than 1 million searches of private documents and communication of Americans were illegal and outside the rules.
Additionally, IG Horowitz also admitted that somewhere north of 10,000 federal employees have access to conduct these searches of the NSA database; a database which contains the electronic data of every single American, including emails, text messages, social media posts, instant messages, direct messages, phone calls, geolocation identifiers, purchases by electronic funds, banking records and any keystroke any American person puts into any electronic device for any reason. {READ MORE}


“A: “In my opinion it is an unrealistic expectation. Whatever Tulsi Gabbard says to the SSCI during confirmation, is what she will be held accountable for. If she later deviates, specifically because of the interests we are discussing here, the Senate (both parties) will impeach her.
Chairman Tom Cotton and Vice-Chair Mark Warner will work together to remove her, if Gabbard flinches or moves one inch outside her senatorial permissions.”
If, big if, let us say hypothetically, OK, very hypothetically, Tuls, at some point, decided to go this path, to stand up to the SS (meant SSCI – must have been a Freudian slip), the righteous path, and the House did move to impeach her, and the Senate did move to convict her, she would be fighting back all the way, at this hypothetical point, and maybe the ,SSCI would need to dig two graves. It would depend on the remaining quality of the American people as to which side they took, light or darkness. It would be a great test of them.
Behold! On the one side will be the completely destroyed SSCI, on the other the fierce and righteous protectors of humanity. On the one side will be the destroyed enemies of the Lord, on the other, his friends who will shout at all the SSCI and their enablers as they destroy them, “SSCI Delende! SSCI Delende! SSCI Delende! Christus vincit! Christus vincit! Christus vincit! Deus vult! Deus vult! Deus vult!”
Ah well, it would be glorious!
Make America Look At This.
Interesting exploitation of your target’s language and culture, Tav.
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I agree. I think if she comes forward with Ed Snowden like information – warrantless spying on American citizens is a criminal act – it puts the Senate in a box.
Plus Trump can fully pardon. An impeachment means removal, but also means A TRIAL.
If only the game was that simple. There are many Shades of grey here.
I was asking someone today “how did life get so complicated?”
They made their crazy our crazy.
A maze inside a labyrinth that gets more confusing as it is traveled.
That is where I am trying to decode the political code that is an enigma.
Some things make sense and others don’t.
In other words the political stuff doesn’t add up.
It is very disconcerting to me.
I am trying to made sense of it but feel like I’ve gone down a rabbit hole and I am in wonderland where things are not as they seem.
Logical explainations and speculation leave me guessing at the conclusion.
Have you noticed that political stuff makes less and less sense?
We’re on the treadmill of propaganda powered by fake news.
Any conclusions are only temporary and will often change leading to frustration.
I have stepped back at drawn the conclusion I need to check the condition my condition is in.
😳🤨🧐
Look who you cannot criticize.
Also, look to who is shaking the jar, what what bastard put you in a jar to begin with.
Just jargon to me.
That’s a shame.
Jargon: obscure and often pretentious language marked by circumlocutions and long words
The Definition. Your jargon. “What bastard put you in a jar”. Pretentious and obscure Jar gon.
To glean or not to glean information. That is the question.
https://audaciouscat.com/rabbit/jargon-can-be-pretentious-language/
<If only the game was that simple. There are many Shades of grey here.>
50?
Works for me!
For all Latin-challenged folks”….
SSCI Delende! = SSCI is to be destroyed!
Christus vincit! = Christ conquers / reigns / rules!
Deus vult! = God wills it!
Thank you! I was going to take Latin as a high school freshman and sophomore but they cut a full hour of studies from high school beginning with my graduating class, so I didn’t get to.
It’s never too late to learn.
Frankly, my impulse to learn is far stronger than when I was young.
I have Latin lined up behind a couple other tongues, thinking I need to prioritize Japanese first, but Latin will stand one in good stead for so many other languages it’s a must.
https://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/latin-101-learning-a-classical-language
Latin is a beautiful language to learn. Back in the dinosaur days of my schooling, Latin was a requirement for graduation. Understanding Latin also helps further understand word origins in the English language.
No problem!
I signed up in 7th grade to take Latin starting in the 8th grade but the stupid Baltimore County Schools permanently dropped Latin and also my second choice- German. So it was either French or Spanish.
Not having a Crystal ball to see in the future my marrying a Spanish girl, I opted for French. Mon Dieu!
However my (formerly Roman Catholic) wife helped my with some rudimentary Latin, while my time spent perusing the Latin Vulgate Bible has also helped….
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Since Tulsi Gabbard isn’t a legislator, and it’s not up to her, seems to me she can say anything she wants to in order to be approved. Someone else in her orbit will have to do the spouting off against things in the media.
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I agree. The commies do it all the time. Say anything to get confirmed, then do the exact opposite when in office. It’s a dishonest game, but we didn’t make it dishonest. If we’re ever to make it honest again, we have to get in by any means we can and then blow it up once inside. If that’s the plan, it’s fine with me.
Almighty God didn’t remove the Red Sea. He made a way through it.
We can only pray through His mercies that He would grant us grace so that we may find a way through this dark pit we find ourselves in.
Beautiful, Tom.
Amen!
We will have to fight against ALL of Evil Musk’s ANTI LIBERTY creations with the Deep State in the next 20 years.
THE FIGHT WE CAN’T LOSE
FILTHY LIBERALS
Musk is NOT EVIL.
Musk is not MAGA
Transhumanists are indeed evil.
God created us human, not a blend of human & machine.
No, he’s insane though
It would be President Harris without Elon.
Silly
He did a pretty good job of fooling you by creating a cover for his true self.
That was all intentional just so he could fool people like you.
No, it wouldn’t be.
It would be President Trump with 290, instead of 312.
When the name Musk pops up…
I think of Tesla…
Then I wonder why I never saw an American Flag or a Trump 2024 flag on a Tesla.
I say those that buy and support ev (evil)- Tesla- Musk are NOT MAGA.
Any comments??
Here in Texas, I’ve seen a number of Cyber Trucks sporting an American flag wrap.
He IS Godless.
Apparently you have f ed your face in joyful compliance.
Good citizen, for now.
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Is there a requirement that we must characterize someone as either a MAGA hero or evil villain?
Everything and everyone is not all good or all bad.
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when they are given a position of importance that effects everyone’s life in the Country
YES
It isn’t the number of users and number of workstations to be an issue. If there are extreme penalties of losing clearance and jail time all you need is a few convictions or loss of clearances and the workforce behind this access will fall in line.
The thing I learned when I was in the space where you needed a clearance was that for people in the DC area, a clearance means everything to them. It was their ticket to continued employment. They had options for mobility around the DC area. Lose your clearance and you might as well move to another part of the US and start over.
The Trump FISA searches were supposedly done by contractors, not Fed employees. First step, cancel contractor clearances. 2nd step, SCIF only access with two person accountability. 3rd step, only NSA folks do the searches and retain control of the docs
Yep, no contractors, no friends, no media.
With armed guards at every access point.
Better yet, remove all the exterior access points. Perkins Coie would need to cut 2/3 of their staff, lol.
And all these contractors have security clearances. They are expensive to get and very valuable. Start losing them for violations like this and future contractors will think twice about doing this.
I personally don’t make a distinction between contractors and government employees. The security clearances are all the same with the same responsibilities. They are super valuable and if you lose it for cause you basically can never get it back again.
SD, get a position in the Trump admin. You are a valuable asset in this war and I would finally get a look at you!
SD would be the guy taking the picture of the spook eavesdropping on us all. I say guy, but, I have never been sure. I thought ‘she’ was a grandmother then there are these pictures of a person with back towards the camera. The person could have been a linebacker back in the day. So, I don’t know.
He.
Confirmed a zillion times.
Truly don’t understand why this keeps rising from the grave time after time.
A Sundance Podcast would be great.
Yes…but I love to read and savor his words
He is to the internet…what Rush was to radio
Underrated movie.
Sundance is a broad spectrum advisor whose output would be highly constricted and constrained on the inside.
I like him just where he’s at.
Sundance and the few others in his league are far more effective outside the DC Swamp than they would be on the inside. If they were on the inside, they couldn’t be saying the things which need to be said to the MAGA faithful on Main Street.
Very good point
I don’t care if Sundance is in reality:
-the Suspicious Cat
-a recluse holed up in his basement (except when he ventures out to make home repairs from the most recent storm
-a secret agent
– a wizard time traveler who stumbled through a present day portal….
Sundance — in whatever manifestation– is someone who is keeping me sane in an insane world.
May the force be with you!
God bless! 💕🇺🇸
Yep, freedom really is worth something. Janis was wrong about that.
Jack Ryan’ esque
But not Alec Baldwinesque.
I’d rather that he have a position, but remain a hidden asset.
For national security of course.
Bravo Sundance! I’m praying for you daily.
Like your last name, Joy. 😉
I like the first!
Quelle Joie!
How about a Tax Revolt on Day 1?
Sounds flippant to say it but it has worked in the past.
Right?
And then Trump can pardon us.
I pay taxes through automatic payroll deduction. How do you suggest that I revolt?
You can claim EXEMPT on the federal form you complete for your employer. Then nothing gets taken out during the year.
Don’t worry about the instruction that says you can only claim exempt if you didn’t pay any taxes last year. I’ve been doing it for many years now. I just pay what I owe in April.
I don’t just mean me and you but your employer too.
Maybe your employer would like a tax holiday and some privacy too.
We are all Americans.
Defund the gubbermint Spot on thats the only way to fix this. Take the $$$$$$$ away.
I’d prefer preemptive pardons and a lockdown for
everyone who doesn’t have one.
Then, if truckloads of military weapons went missing….
And we are given space to ‘protest’.
My brother is a career Air Farce officer(used to fly nuclear armed BUFFs when the Wall was up) and I am a long serving soldier and we both agree on this: Strip mostly everyone in government management of ALL security clearances except Trump’s appointees and then dole out from there. I know it would be an daily interruption for the worker=bees for a short while, but so what? These clearances aren’t being used in many ways to protect us.
I agree. They’re going to have to decapitate the resistance to make it harder to fight back.
Have you ever been snowmachine riding near 196.
Thank you, to you both, for your services, sirs. “You didn’t start the fi-re …” (Billy Joel)
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A security clearance doesn’t grant anyone the right to have or get information that they don’t have a legitimate need to know to do their jobs, or might inadvertently get exposed to in the course of doing their jobs. It’s supposed to document a trustworthy and upstanding person.
Those who have been cleared are valuable when they leave government for, e.g. private defense contracting industry, because they can engage in discussions with government officials.
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10,000 upvotes for this suggestion.
It would be a shame if the NSA files and all of it’s backups suddenly went poof. Hmmm.
Inexplicable natural disasters happen.
Crazy things like phones being erased with no repercussions.
Well, if you want to talk about reaching out and touching someone in a way that gets their attention, I bet EVs blow up way nicer than pagers.
As for data centers, a nice chunk of tungsten dropped from orbit would do nicely.
Cloths are plentiful in DC.
You mean like the one Hilliary used to wipe her server?
And BleachBit is still free.
spontaneous combustion happens in the UK all the time
those ULEZ boxes almost light themselves.
why not the NSA files ?
lyoverdeplorabley: “It would be a shame if the NSA files and all of it’s backups suddenly went poof.”
We shouldn’t be too surprised if this happens. A good deal of evidence regarding what the election fraudsters did behind the scenes to steal the 2020 presidential, 2022 mid-term, and 2024 downballot elections for Democrats could probably be pieced together reasonably quickly from what the NSA database contains.
Assuming the information is actually there, the question then becomes, could that information be retrieved legally and then be used in a court of law for prosecuting domestic criminal activity; e.g. blatant and illegal election fraud?
Powers of the president he can sign a search warrant for anyone using any means No FISA No Judge required.
^^^^^
“I’m not going to give up sharing generally hidden information and possible solutions just because it puts a target on my back.”
Don’t worry. They “can neither confirm nor deny” any allegations, and nothing you or anyone else outside their inner circle says will impact them in any substantive way in any case.
All the discussion is for naught. Except as another channeled diversion.
So, Sundance is a Derp leading us all astray on a fruitless venture of pointless discovery?
Truly?
Simpletons are always helpful like that.
Channeled diversion from what, or whom?
All of this accepts the premise that all of these three letter agencies and bureaucracies have some Constitutional authority for their existence when, in fact and truth, this type of agency is strictly forbidden by the 4th Amendment among others…
Trust God.
Fear not.
Tell me One thing the FISA courts have prevented from occuring. The FBI has always been watching the perps but never arresting beforehand.
FISA is as effective as TSA searching our shoes before we board a plane.
Since 9/11, the only known shoe bomber was captured by the passengers on the plane. Not TSA.
Interesting. Kind of like the only (so far) known illegal-alien arsonist in the LA conflagrations this time was snagged in a neighborhood citizens arrest.
Like how the healthcare CEO’s assassin was caught by a McDonalds employee not by the FBI or state police.
The fall guy was caught, not the shooter, or the planners.
trumps second term in 2020
They are the perps.
Pam Bondi and Tulsi Gabbard. ABC at the SCROTUS disappoints (again). Florida judge lets case notes written by an unconstitutional special counsel to be published. Now we are asking these women to go boldly. Not buying it.
Me either-seeing that photo of Barbie Bondi doesn’t fill me with confidence but I am hopeful they will all outperform.
You know what they say about hope ?
Sh*t in one hand, hope in the other, see which
fills up first.
We can always f ourselves in the face, so there’s that.
This from supposedly ‘our guy’.
Ridiculous. They got to Cannon somehow.
“I’m not going to give up sharing generally hidden information and possible solutions just because it puts a target on my back. ”
Thank you Sundance!
It seems like two things are being confused by Sundance and in this discussion. We had illegal FISA warrants approved for surveillance of Trump and some near him (getting to Trump from the hapless ex-Navy intel guy through the two-hop rule). Then we had people, like someone (or more) at the Perkins-Coie workstation and who knows which of the other 1,500 work stations, doing queries of the NSA database. That’s how Michael Cohen was mistakenly accused of having been in Prague. It was Snowden who revealed the NSA programs that were/are feeding that database. First of all, that database should not exist! The existence of that database does not seem to be related to the 702 question. Second of all, the FISA courts should not exist, as Sundance points out. There is a conceptual/methodological problem in the intelligence approach that was called TIA–Total Information Awareness–in the Admiral Poindexter days before 9/11. After the Snowden revelations, there were a few NSA veterans who came out in support of him. One of them, at least, can’t remember his name, totally opposed the concept/methodology of vacuuming up all possible info in order to then search it (with Palantir-like tools, which were around before Palantir even existed) for the needles-in-a-haystack. This guy said he had devised a collection approach that would be effective yet not violate the Constitution. Let’s talk about that!
Yep. Some DS moron after 9-11 said “bring me the haystack.” Stellar Wind. William Binney’s program protected rights:
In response, Binney and his team (of which Wiebe was a member), created a program – ThinThread – that could effectively isolate and streamline data in the new Information Age. More importantly, it could filter out all types of irrelevant data, thus eliminating the need to forward and store large amounts of information for subsequent analysis. To ensure the privacy rights of American citizens were adequately protected, Binney and his team installed an “anonymizing” feature to ensure Fourth Amendment protections for the communications of U.S. citizens.
https://whistleblower.org/bio-william-binney-and-j-kirk-wiebe/
Another thing to consider is Reagan’s EO 12333.
No president has ever ended the EO and it gives power to the SS (Surveillance State).
“Executive Order (EO) 12333 is the foundational authority by which NSA collects, retains, analyzes, and disseminates foreign signals intelligence information.”
https://www.nsa.gov/Signals-Intelligence/EO-12333/
An unConstitution power created by executive order can be undone by either executive order or the Court noticing that endless “emergencies” have transformed government into something far removed from its founding intention.
Were it to be so reversed, it must be destroyed in every manner possible, including physically.
Create ways to complicate and frustrate every effort to reconstitute it.
Draft and pass laws that none could object to, that would thwart those bent on seizing all our everything.
Brave and Useful are the ways I would characterize what you’ve shared here, Sundance.
Brave, because no one wants to have a target on his back, especially when the targeter is anonymous and malevolent.
Useful, because the process of un-corrupting the PDB that you’ve outlined requires Gabbard, Ratcliffe and Waltz to be diligent in a way that Congress is not. Just as only members of Congress who’ve actually read a bill brought to the floor should be allowed to vote on it, only a CIA Director and Director of National Intel who’ve done their due diligence by footnoting every assertion of fact in the PDB, should be allowed to hold these positions.
Useful, also because you’ve illustrated the biggest impediment to preventing violations of 702 with mandatory jail time for offenders is the large number of users with access to the data base. That being the case, greatly restricting the numbers of those with security clearance to access to such sensitive information about the private information of American citizens should also be a top priority.
All due respect, we all matter
Does this also include information of “an ongoing investigation” ?
🤣😂 They Live was a great movie!! Let’s see if we can recreate the ending here…
Great article, thank you, MAGA Brother
Simple question here: Why cannot Trump himself VETO the Reauthorization of FISA-702, and say, “No, I have had this tool weaponised against me already, I have seen it deployed exclusively against Republicans and Conservatives, and I do NOT TRUST the bureaucracy of the US Government with that power.
Its Over. Title I courts only., Get a Warrant
He IS, after all, THE President, and the SCOTUS has ruled that ALL executive power is embodied in him, and no one can overrule him..”
This kind of comment is why I love CTH.
Yep. Good question!
One Guess: The corrupt Pubs have told him they would massively overide the veto?
President Trump should still call their bluff.
Is their cover going into the next midterm election more important than getting their FISA-702 reauthorization in 2026?
Agree. Let them campaign on spying on Americans. As noted during the recent CR debate that wrecked the uniparty Bill, we can get quite LOUD at times.
Then we can let them know their political career is over….and mean it.
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In THEORY, those in national security positions want the capability to “watch” the communications of and with potentially dangerous foreigners that may not arise to a level of “probable cause”. In THEORY, the purpose is to PREVENT attacks and devastating terrorist acts.
Remember that search warrants in the usual course of criminal investigations typically are “after the fact” of a crime being committed.
Some of this is valid, and does not lend itself to simplistic issues or solutions. E.g. suppose — and this is just hypothetical — we have a U.S. imam in Orlando area who has been abroad for years and recently back, kicked out of UK twice as a known radical Muslim. But he’s a “U.S. person”. Do we wait while he organizes a terrorist attack.
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When is the next time it comes up for reauthorization?
The only answer is going to be leaks and sunlight. SCOTUS will be less likely to reject review if it is known that the IC is spying on Americans. But it’ll have to be done a certain way.
The system rests on the idea that it’s all classified. Senators can straight up lie because they don’t fear declassification of the targeting of American citizens.
This is one and only one way to fix that: data dumps. Big ones.
Take away their ability to lie about it.
What was the purpose of the J6 prosecutions? To make an example and promote fear.
What would heads on pikes (figurately don’t get excited) for illegal spying do?
To make an example and promote fear.
If President Trump’s nominees are forthright and as noble as he is then this is all they need to do….. to help in the saving of OUR AMERICA!
This shout out is mainly for Pete. Don’t give up. Don’t give in.
“Hey, baby, there ain’t no easy way out
(I won’t back down)
Hey, I will stand my ground (Ooh, I won’t back down)
And I won’t back down” – Tom Petty
Btw, the Executive Branch is not without power. If the DNI suspects crimes have been committed – conspiracy to violate rights is a criminal act – DOJ can investigate.
The weapon is sunlight. Threats are threats, but if the AG, DNI, and FBI Director come forward with evidence of crimes, what is the Senate going to be able to do about that?
The Republican ones will cower in fear.
Expand your thinking.
The databases were/are not used merely to persecute and intimidate.
They have also almost certainly been used to create “ghosties” who can traffick kids across borders through erasures and changes to the data to lay false trails. Add in to create fake identities, and engage in surveillance of private comms in support of insider trading.
Not to mention using the databases to spy for and leak information to foreign powers (like the one with the table in the kitchen.)
And also China.
There is a VERY high likelihood that people in VERY high places have directly used the databases to benefit themselves financially over the last 2 decades.
If the people involved in those crimes were to be fully exposed to the world through full declassification of all their criminal activities, in all their gory details . . .
Nuclear bomb, baby.
Does the incoming administration have the brass ones to actually do it?
FLASH: China reportedly in discussions with Elon Musk regarding the sale of TikTok!
I figure this fits somewhere in this discussion.
Carry on!
This is an excellent, highly informative article, Sundance.
Hope the right people are listening.
The U.S. Supreme Court has signaled that they will deny a request by President-Elect Donald J. Trump to prevent the ban of the Social Media App, TikTok if it is not sold by its Chinese Parent Company, ByteDance by Sunday, January 19th 2025. ByteDance has stated that they would rather shutdown TikTok in the United States instead of selling to a U.S. Company; with it likely that TikTok will be removed from App Stores on Sunday.
https://nitter.poast.org/sentdefender/status/1878845126258368574#m
The influencers and luvvies will be very upset
You’re coming out of LEFT field and OFF topic
Consider the possibility: if Tulsi or Bondi or Trump went rogue and began to expose the abuse of the FISA-702 program via any of SD’s above scenarios, TPTB could (and likely would) catalyze an event so horrendous that the citizens would be begging for protection. Sort of like the Mafia; “nice place you got there, be a shame if something happened to it.”
TPTB?
At some point these people will have to confronted. We can talk about the intrigue all day and all night, but the fact is this system has to be destroyed, and the people running the system and gaining from the system will not willingly let it go. It must be taken from them. It’s time we took “nice place you got there, be a shame if something happened to it” and used that against them. We are the majority, and we have the power. It’s just a matter of having the guts to use it. F them.
There is a workaround that would allow Gabbard to do in the SSCI. Scrap FISA-702, knowing that if removed from office, Trump will simply bring her into the WH and create a position for her that would legitimately allow her to be placed on his list of designated recipients of intelligence. Now, let’s say that a certain National Security Advisor doesn’t work out …
Security clearances should not be ‘contracted out’, so cancel all contractor security clearances. Anyone who leaves a three-letter agency, for any reason, should automatically forfeit their security clearance. Security clearances have become cheapened.
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Well then no defense contractor would be able to manufacture any equipment for the armed services because they would not have anyone “cleared” to discuss needs.
Seems to be some confusion here regarding what a security clearance is. Maybe because people like Clapper abused theirs to yak lies to the media? Or because Congresser midwits sometimes have to get them to do their jobs and yak likewise with idiot media consequently giving this high credibility because of the “security clearance”?
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Let the security clearance be for specific people at specfic times only – for example, for work on a classified project. And allow it to apply ONLY to that specific informational need and no other.
Another great idea!
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How do you limit a top secret security clearance without describing in detail to people in DOJ who don’t have need to know and shouldn’t know, and don’t themselves have a top secret security clearance, what it’s going to be for.
(Yes the system is kind of messed up, and what’s being checked for are things that could subject someone to blackmail or cause them to blab, drug or alcohol abuse, financial problems… It’s not what sometimes it’s thought to be.)
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Maybe the better rendition of John’s post would be that anyone leaving government service loses their security clearance immediately and if they get hired on by some contractor, they need to go through the clearance approval anew.
Any system can be abused, but at least let’s put roadblocks and difficulties.
Agree. The automatic continuation of the clearance while doing what they want to do when they want to do it makes no sense to me….it never has.
Based on recent events, it seems like many/most use the clearance for political and personnel purposes in order to conspire with others to bring down a sitting President as well as the Constitution.
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It’s kind of already a PIA, already has to be periodically renewed, already expires two years after service if not renewed, and I suspect that the kind of stuff that gets checked, e.g. polygraph for drug use, personal issues, etc. isn’t what some think it is.
A security clearance does NOT give someone who has no valid reason to have information the right to get it.
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I think an amendment stipulating a punishment would be a good start.
Reading this made me think of an ABC tv show called the Good Wife. I think it aired on Sunday. I watched it every week. It had a scene where two federally employed ease droppers assigned to ease drop on a corrupt Chicago politician, began illegally ease dropping on his wife. They were not listening to her to gain information against her husband but rather as entertainment. They listen to her personal life. The two were portrayed as if what they were doing was just good fun not the creepy stalkers that they were. It was a good show, but it was getting close to the truth of political corruption. I stopped watching when the lead actor, don’t know his name, went on a TDS rant. The show went off the air not long after his ranting. He did not know the audience.
FBI and DHS Issue Warning on Potential Terror Attacks on US Soil
https://nitter.poast.org/Osint613/status/1878945089977983301#m
You’re getting all spammy again.
Orders to divert attention from the current topic?
Q: why not issue an EO requiring complete revocation of security clearances regarding the NSA database, then reissue the clearances with “vetting” for need and identifiers to keep the access honest?
My greatest hope, is that President Trump has Sundance on speed dial… – – -…
Re: Tulsi and FISA-702, versus commitments to the SSIC
#1) The Constitution designates “advise and consent” responsibilities to the Senate. No where does the Constitution permit the legislative branch Senate, veto power over the Executive branch operations. The commitments that the Senate is extracting from Trump nominees for “permission to serve”, are unconstitutional.
#2) Tulsi and I probably don’t see eye to eye on a lot of issues. That said, she seems like a straight shooter, not a wilting flower type person. She’ll do what she thinks is right, or resign.
#3) I can’t live Tulsi’s life for her. I had certain choices to make as an officer in the US Navy. I was compelled by certain people and circumstances to violate my oath. I told them to screw it, fell on my sword, and let the chips fall where they may. I paid a steep price, career wise, but through hard work and accepting “career ending” assignments that others rejected, I obtained command opportunities and senior rank (btw, praise Jesus for all of that, too). Tulsi should do the same. There’s nothing that anyone can do to her for doing the right thing, that’s worse than living a compromised life.
Tell the Senate to f**k off, and do what she has to do. If the Senate couldn’t impeach Mayorkas for facilitating a FOREIGN INVASION OF AMERICA, let ’em try to impeach Tulsi for supporting the US Constitution’s Bill of Rights against their wishes.
#1) The Constitution designates “advise and consent” responsibilities to the Senate. No where does the Constitution permit the legislative branch Senate, veto power over the Executive branch operations. The commitments that the Senate is extracting from Trump nominees for “permission to serve”, are unconstitutional.
Agree 100%, thank you for your service and your post.
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Q: “Add an amendment to 702 reauthorization saying any person who is involving an Illegal violation-spying of 702 is penalized with 3 mos in jail …that should stop abuses of 702 yet still keep program alive.”
Perhaps it doesn’t require charging every violation, just enough to be threatening to the rest of would-be abusers. Especially the repeat offenders. And perhaps cutting down on who has access.
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§ 11.448 Abuse of office.
A person acting or purporting to act in an official capacity or taking advantage of such actual or purported capacity commits a misdemeanor if, knowing that his or her conduct is illegal, he or she:
(a) Subjects another to arrest, detention, search, seizure, mistreatment, dispossession, assessment, lien or other infringement of personal or property rights; or
(b) Denies or impedes another in the exercise or enjoyment of any right, privilege, power or immunity. [Presumably includes, e.g. Fourth Amendment]
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18 U.S.C. § 241 Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same… They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both…
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18 U.S.C. § 242 Deprivation of rights under color of law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States… shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both…
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However, stopping the fraud and abuse via searches of the NSA database is another matter entirely.
Office of Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified April 27, 2023, that more than 3.4 million search queries into the NSA database took place between Dec. 1st, 2020 and Nov. 30th, 2021, by government officials and/or contractors working on behalf of the federal government.
Do we know what was meant when they said ‘contractor’? I know that the libs just love to bring on board a bunch of left wing activists and pretend they are the government.
Wasn’t there a story of Perkins Coie having FBI access in their main office?
Hate to say it but IMO the only way We the People get any consideration and change to 702 is if Sundance gets an hour one on one meeting with PT himself.
PT responds to in person, personal relationships and discussions.
No one within his team is representing the position that Sundance represents and most of his MAGA people.
Unfortunately PT doesn’t know what he doesn’t know, thus why Sundance IMO is the only one who has the background of abuses and overall knowledge to provide the other side to PT.
One hour could literally change everything
Susie Wiles would burn the White House to the ground with everyone in it before she would allow President Trump one on one access with Sundance. The President’s silo is the thickest and strongest one in existence.
Thank you Sundance!
“A: I absolutely agree with a version of this. I have said so before. Any non-compliant access to the NSA database should immediately result in revocation of any/all classified security clearances, and immediate criminal prosecution should take place. Unfortunately, it will be challenging to do; because as IG Horowitz attested, over 10,000 users currently have access to this database across 1,500 workstations. {GO DEEP}”
Question: Can PDJT update definition of NSA access compliance per executive order? Can PDJT also direct Waltz, etc to implement audit of those with security clearance who are not in compliance?
IMO most efficient way to do this is to clean the slate for ALL who have access and require them to reapply based on their current job roles and responsibilities AKA Need to Know basis. This is what the feds require for HIPAA security already so this would not be a precedent requirement.
@JimFergusonUK
Labour Staffers Could Face U.S. Charges for Election Meddling!
The 100 Labour Party staffers who traveled to the U.S. to campaign against Donald Trump and in support of Kamala Harris may face serious legal consequences under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).
Acting as unregistered foreign agents is a federal offense. By interfering in America’s election, these Labour operatives crossed a dangerous line.
With Trump set to take office on January 20th, his administration could pursue charges that lead to fines, imprisonment, and lasting damage to Labour’s reputation.
Did Keir Starmer authorize this? Was Labour acting as undeclared foreign agents? The U.S. doesn’t take lightly to foreign meddling—and the fallout for Labour could be catastrophic. @FBI
https://nitter.poast.org/JimFergusonUK/status/1878896808107135484#m
OT BUTT.
Off topic why are you spamming this thread?
@LeadingReport
BREAKING: 80% of federal government managers who voted for Harris said they will resist the efforts of the Trump administration, while just 1% said they will somewhat support him, according to a Napolitan Institute/RMG Research survey.
This is an absolute fact. During Trump’s first term I was fairly good friends with someone at the DHS who was a HUGE Hillary supporter. When Trump won she lost her mind. She told me about weekly meetings at DHS where employees discussed ways to stop Trump’s various efforts.
https://nitter.poast.org/amuse/status/1878858177602814394#m
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Why we need the help of “DOGE” to clear people out.
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Off topic…..why?
Sounds like treasonous behavior to me with conspiracy thrown in. IMO that is like planning a coup.
MAGA / America First patriots have done a great job of ferreting out the unconstitutional use of FISA-702, the warrantless searches of American communication and electronic metadata, by the personnel in the departments of the pre-2025 Executive Branch, thereby negating American’s 4th amendment protection.
Electing President Trump on 11/5/24, has given “we the people” a chance to eliminate the problem, not only for President Trump’s term but “permanently” for decades, even a century or more.
But to do it, we have to change our approach. We can’t play by the rules of the globalists / communists in the legislative and judicial branches. They run a fixed game …… you can’t win a fixed game.
We stop trying to out maneuver the rules of the fixed game, and instead, develop our own rules (methods) to get to where we want to go …… protecting all American’s 4th amendment rights …… and then just go do it.
President Trump is the Executive Branch and all the things that need to be done are in the purview of the Executive Branch. There ain’t nothin’ to it, but to do it ….. there is no need to ask permission from any stinkin’ congressman, senator or jurists.
The next paragraphs describe our methods to permanently protect all American’s 4th amendment rights from the globalists / communists FISA-702 process.
File under: FISA-702 trap
The FISA-702 trap is just another example of a standard catch-22 trap that has been set by the legislative and judicial branches against the Executive Branch, to steal some of the Executive Branch’s Constitutional power. They have been setting these traps for over a century. Stealing a little of the Executive Branch’s Constitutional power at a time.
Over the century, the globalist legislative and judicial branches have co-conspired with the globalist presidents, like the Bushes, Clinton, and O-bummer to steal some of the Executive Branch’s Constitutional power.
The globalist presidents would just not challenge the legislative and judicial branches’ Constitutional overreach, thus abdicating the power of the Executive Branch. The Constitution wasn’t amended, the globalists in the 3 branches just conspired to reduce the power of the Executive Branch.
That stopped with the election of President Trump, 45, and now 47. The unconstitutional FISA-702 process is the most recent example of that stealing occurring.
A FISA-702 catch-22 trap involves a network of unconstitutional rules that leaves no avenue for a 2025 Executive branch employee to take, to honor his oath of protecting the Constitution and every American citizen’s 4th amendment rights
The FISA-702 catch-22 trap can be defeated permanently in 2025.
Here is how it is done in a 2025 Constitutional Compliant Executive Branch, a 2 step process:
(One, the temporary fix) Simply stop following the FISA-702 rules set by the previous unconstitutional agreement between the 3 federal branches. Based on his oath President Trump can not be associated with anything unconstitutional … the same goes for his employees. Just stop using FISA-702 against any American ……. period ……. President Trump issues an order for all Executive Branch employees to stop using the FISA-702 process against Americans. They don’t stop doing their job, they still perform their duties, they would use Constitutional means of achieving their objectives, just like they did before the globalist set up the unconstitutional FISA-702 process.
(Two, the permanent fix) President Trump’s Constitutional compliant Executive Branch would then take their own Executive Branch “constitutional actions” to protect the 4th amendment rights of Americans.
Occam’s razor principle points to the most effective, direct method for President Trump’s Executive Branch to permanently defeat the globalist / communist FISA-702 catch-22 trap:
Large databases are the Achilles heel of the globalists / communists and their unconstitutional FISA-702 process. Make the large databases that the “FISA-702 process” accesses “null” and presto, the unconstitutional FISA-702 process is eliminated, the catch-22 trap is disabled.
Don’t let the globalists tell you it can’t be done …. the large databases are a recent development (within decades) … prior to those, disjointed data files were used for storing data. Constitutional freedoms and large databases can not coexist. The unconstitutional federal weaponization against Americans only started when the large databases were built and funded by the federal government.
The Constitution rules. The globalists / communists in the legislative and judicial branches be damned. Their day of reckoning will come with the election and appointment of more MAGA / America First citizens. Until then, the 2025 Executive Branch will stand alone as being Constitutional Compliant. Thanks to the voters on 11/5/24, electing President Trump who loves, supports and defends our Constitutional Republic and the Constitution.
“Let’s go Brandon and the globalists and all the damn democrats, up and down the ticket!”
Two Wings, One Vulture; Mucha Mierda.
@bennyjohnson
Greenlander’s message to President Trump: “Buy Greenland. No more Danish.”
https://nitter.poast.org/bennyjohnson/status/1878918767926976756#m
Off topic. Presidential or open thread please.
LA Wildfires are a Cover for SmartLA2028 and the 2028 Olympics!
Project Constitution
For those who doubt my assertion that these fires are a strategic land grab aimed at preparing for the 2028 Olympics and establishing 15-minute smart cities, citing the impossibility of navigating all the regulations and bureaucracy in just three years, here’s your proof!
Governor Gavin Newsom has just issued an executive order to bypass these very regulations and cut through the red tape for rebuilding efforts in fire-affected areas, particularly in Pacific Palisades. Interestingly, if you examine the map for the SmartLA initiative, it coincides exactly with the proposed Olympic sites.
https://nitter.poast.org/ProjectConstitu/status/1878929048560107806#m
Still Spamming.
And off topic derailing the thread.
Endlessly.
Been at it for years, actually.
But this subject really seems to have stirred certain outsiders up.
Thanks very much for entertaining all this & expounding. The first one I like so much there are no other words. Better than a Barium memo and makes them do the work.
Make it so. Toujours, l’Audace!
Satellite photos show all 3 wild fires in Los Angeles, California, starting at the same time
And it looks like nothing in nature caused those wildfires.
https://nitter.poast.org/96f20JR_OToole/status/1878984260243341590#m
Nothing natural in this comment thread about throwing out the most sensationalistic subjects one can conjure for the purposes of driving the conversation off the cliff of irrelevance.
Nice try.
I guess I’ll have to explain it to her when she emails asking WHY she’s in moderation….
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A well earned pawse.
The more I ponder this, the more important it becomes to me: Supreme Court Justices Roberts and Barrett need to be investigated in the most detailed way, their sex life, financial affairs, every detail of their life, all past cases, staffers, enemies, and dig deep to find out who this person really is. Investigate who appointed them, and raised them to position they hold, who groomed them, who their mentors were. Dig, Dig, Dig like the DEEP STATE dug into Trump’s past. Let’s see if they are clean as TRUMP proved to be.
If we have many american’s dig, the TRUTH will come out. And of course , … WE PRAY and ask GOD to lead us to the TRUTH. The TRUTH which exposes and allows healing to take place.
p.s. Let’s get really, really honest here … the Deep State did a deep dive into Roberts and Barrett and got them to agree to the CORRUPT path the Deep State said they had to go, so their dark secrets are not revealed. So OUR SIDE exposes their dark secrets and “asks them to resign “due to health problems”. 🙂
Dig deep and you get…….dirt and a hole.
All people are humus, uh humans.
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust.
There are none righteous, no, not one.
This is the reason full intelligence, full detail on every single person in the USA ……will find something exploitable.
Yup! But I guess so far, TRUMP is the exception to the rule. And Supreme Justices should pass the deep probe into their past. The Justices are the TOP COURT in America, if they are being exploited, America should find out before their are 5 or more “corrupted Judges” on the court.
I’m not disagreeing with you neighbor and all of Congress and the DOJ should have a background check.
sorry folks I got a little over-excited in this post. Frustration speaking. I was mediating on “appreciating all the wonderful things happening around me, and trying to “stop critical thinking” and what I do after mediating: come here and be critical. Practicing “appreciation is something I’m going to have to practice every day until it becomes a “new habit”. At least I can laugh at my blunders. Thank God.
Thanks, this is the very most important discussion for the future of the USA. In regard to national defence, we are a temporary dictatorship, not a balance of 3 power centers. Which is absolutly needed for national defence, no question. This is why the connection of Trump to Russia was so important for the courts and congress.
What happens next is very exciting!
Nobody puts it down where the goats can get at it like Sundance.
I pray for Trump, I pray for his picks, I pray his picks are honest patriots. We are perilously close to a tipping point.
Amen.
What a mess
It would just be great if PDJT received a printout out of all articles.
On his pillow at night.
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Silos most likely prevent that.
Nope, it’s confirmed.
CTH has a fan.