Six months ago, I was asked my opinion of the Silicon Valley alignment with MAGA. I said at the time I thought it would last around 18 months and finally climax with a large fracture in the political movement around 2026. I had no idea at the time, the group of technocrats would begin publicly advocating for replacing American workers before Trump took office.
For the past several days I have watched Vivek Ramaswamy, David Sacks, Elon Musk and his big tech influencers debating with their followers about the importance for them to continue expanding H-1b visas for foreign tech workers. It is stunning to see this crew double, triple and quadruple down on advocacy, while defining American workers as inadequate for their Silicon Valley needs.
Alas, it is what it is. Within the argument Musk, Ramaswamy, Sacks and group have presented multiple justifications for their foreign worker assistance programs, while advocating for expanded immigration support therein.
Within the tone of their argument, they essentially say the American worker is (1) not intellectual enough; (2) doesn’t have the right work ethic; and the latest point of justification is that (3) American culture is to blame for their need to import foreign workers.
As Vivek Ramaswamy recently said, “Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.” Thus, as the narrative is sold, American workers need to be replaced with more culturally appropriate Indian tech workers.
When the Indian-American starts saying Indian culture is more adequate at creating workers for the American tech industry, he loses me completely.
If the Indian culture is the holy grail breeding ground for software engineers, then why isn’t New Delhi replacing Silicon Valley?
Considering that factually the Indian culture is entirely based on a caste system, the argument is even more absurd.
What we need are training and recruitment centers for American students. However, the larger issue within the billionaire tech team advocacy is an issue of self-interest.
What we see in the justifications and arguments of the Ramaswamy, Musk and Sacks group is a very specific point of immigration policy for their subset within a singular sector of the American economy. Perhaps this would not be such a big issue, if these points of advocacy were coming from outside government interest groups. However, with this tech team going into the administration, the influence becomes something a little bigger.
The part the Tech Group do not understand is the core of the American DNA, “Liberty“…
It is only from the position of liberty, intellectualism actualized in freedom form, that the working culture of America, the ingenuity part, can be understood.
If you attempt to quantify Americanism with math and algorithms, the translated outcome always fails.
Dear Vivek Ramaswamy, my counter take…
Several years ago, Florida Power and Light won the prestigious international Edward Demming Award for excellence in multi-platform engineering, efficiency superiority and total quality in the process of energy management.
However, the scruffy rednecks did not blow every PhD intellectual out of the water with slide rules, CAD programs, articulated and quantified quality improvement processes and engineering acumen. They did it with hard hats and dirty fingernails.
Because they lost the award, the jaw-agape Japanese spent 6 months visiting and reviewing FPL and later published a 1,000-page study essentially saying FPL “wasn’t really good, they were just lucky.”
You see, the reviewers couldn’t actually quantify the reason why the Florida-based energy company was so successful. In response the FPL field leadership laughed, took out magic markers and wrote on the back of their hard hats: “WE’RE NOT GOOD, WE’RE RUCKY.”
A few years later, every single Kuwaiti oil field was blown up by Saddam Hussein. Global analysts and think-tanks proclaimed it would take 5 years to cap them all off and restart the Kuwait oil pumping industry. Well, the Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s called Texans, who had them all capped and back in working order in 6 months.
We are a nation that knows how to get shit done.
A few more years pass, and the Northern Chile mine workers were trapped two miles underground. The eyes of the world began to tear as the word spread. Most began to whisper no one could save them. Who did they call for help? A bunch of hick miners from USA coal country who went down there, worked on the fly, engineered the rescue equipment on site, and saved every one of them.
Yup, that’s our America. Ingenuity born from freedom.
Across the pond a half-breed Islamic whack job, armed with an AK-47 and a goal to meet his virgins, began opening fire on a train in France. The scruffneck Americans on board didn’t run to the nearest safe room and hide themselves amid baguettes and brie. They said, “let’s go”, and beat the stuffing out of that little nut with a death wish.
Legion d’Honneur or not, that’s us. WE ARE AMERICANS! That’s just how we roll.
In fact, Lady Liberty can stroll along the Champs-Elysées with a swagger befitting Mae West because without her arrival, they’d be speaking German in the Louvre. Yet, for the better part of the past decade, a group of intellectual leftists have been teaching our children that it’s better to be sitting around a campfire eating sustainable algae cakes and picking parasites off each other; because ‘save the planet’, or something similarly minded. It would appear, they hate the outcomes and inequities from freedom.
Warmest regards,
Americans First!
My BEST advice to @elonmusk @VivekGRamaswamy @DavidSacks and the Silicon Valley tech elites, is to keep talking. Just keep telling Americans how terrible they are and how they need to be replaced. Great Job.
Every time you guys open your typeset in public, @LauraLoomer grows a…
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) December 26, 2024
Stabbed in our backs again!
Exclusive With Patrick Wood! Technocracy EXPOSED! The Dangerous Totalitarian Ideology Infiltrating Trump’s Inner Circle And American Politics (1:35:05)
20 Nov 2024
https://rumble.com/v5r27ch-live-exclusive-with-technocracy-founder-patrick-wood.html
Not in the video, but just an aside:
Excellent research. Thanks for sharing!
Both are foreigners, nuff said.
Work with what you have not what you “think” will work. The whole freakin reason kids are dumb is the incentive is to be dumb. America will rise to the occasion stop with the quick fix that brings us more problems.
Let’s pull the elephant in the room front and center. Vegetables! Who picks them? Fruit? Low wage people desperate. Do we have low wage desperate in America? Yes, they are the welfare recipients and prison inmates, do the job DOGE. Stop the handouts and put people in the fields, you want to see a generation rise. One or two seasons and that generation will crawl out of the mud and educate real dang quick. It’s the government that created this problem.not us.
Tech? The dang tech companies are putrid with DEI and don’t pay, they take. How is it the richest companies are screaming for low wage workers? They have billions coming in and can’t pay Americans? BS!
We did a quick study on wages from 25 years ago til now, heck I thought I was killing it. It’s exactly the same pay when compared with inflation except no pension. 401 K which is a joke.
They all lie to us, I’m so tired of the lies. We are flooded at work now with foreign workers who are “unwashed” they have no idea of American culture and want their own to break apart the American culture. That is exactly what is being purposed now.
Does anybody actually think immigrants will save the day? If my dad were alive he’d be screaming louder than me. Went through the depression and that “press” built men strong, tough resilient, able to do anything. Make life tough and you will see men rise from the ashes. This “protected minorities class” needs to be left to rot. Some of the toughest, most self sufficient are being neutered by handouts.
I always cringe when Vivek says “Our American culture “, born and raised in Florida, I find most people who aren’t generational Floridians feel connected to places that they do have generational roots. Which makes me question if Vivek can truly claim “Our American culture “.
FLOGROWN……….:)
Damn Right.
Vivek wants a low wage culture.
The problem as I see it as a septuagenarian, is K-12 today is teaching “what to think, instead of How to think”!
Same as a Carpetbagger.
Yep. I live in VA. We get all these people who come here for government work, and are not and never will be Virginian. When they say they are, I cringe. I bet Florida is awful with the massive influx of come heres.
Do actual Americans need to say “Our American culture?” I don’t think so. He also speaks about it via tropes and like an anthropologist observing a primitive culture.
I am on the fence about this one. I can see both sides. The quality of students entering the workforce from the US is abysmal both from the intellectual standpoint and work ethic. Engineering programs in the US are dominated by foreign students. US students opt for easier pathways i.e. business or social degrees. Couple that with the Dei requirement forced onto companies and this is what you get. It will take generations to recover if we even can. High School students in Baltimore for example are failing at an alarming rate. O.15 gpa gets you in the 50th percentile of your class. Baltimore spends $22K per year on each student. This is a self inflicted wound. The solution won’t be quick or painless. I am in the last years of my career. I studied engineering(BS). As a manager for North and South America I am the least educated among the foreign managers. My counterparts have a BS/MA minimum and most have doctorates. Where do we find the right talent among a bunch of self absorbed entitled kids that are lazy? Of course there are exceptions but it is rare to find among US kids the exceptional talent with the necessary skills exiting the US school system that are ready to contribute in day one. IMHO
The STEM Crisis Is a Myth
Forget the dire predictions of a looming shortfall of scientists, technologists, engineers, and mathematicians
30 Aug 2013
https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth
Excerpts:
Another surprise was the apparent mismatch between earning a STEM degree and having a STEM job. Of the 7.6 million STEM workers counted by the Commerce Department, only 3.3 million possess STEM degrees. Viewed another way, about 15 million U.S. residents hold at least a bachelor’s degree in a STEM discipline, but three-fourths of them—11.4 million—work outside of STEM.
The departure of STEM graduates to other fields starts early. In 2008, the NSF surveyed STEM graduates who’d earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees in 2006 and 2007. It found that 2 out of 10 were already working in non-STEM fields. And 10 years after receiving a STEM degree, 58 percent of STEM graduates had left the field, according to a 2011 study from Georgetown University.
The STEM Crisis Through the Decades
The takeaway? At least in the United States, you don’t need a STEM degree to get a STEM job, and if you do get a degree, you won’t necessarily work in that field after you graduate. If there is in fact a STEM worker shortage, wouldn’t you expect more people with STEM degrees to be filling those jobs? And if many STEM jobs can be filled by people who don’t have STEM degrees, then why the big push to get more students to pursue STEM?
That report argued that the best indicator of a shortfall would be a widespread rise in salaries throughout the STEM community. But the price of labor has not risen, as you would expect it to do if STEM workers were scarce. In computing and IT, wages have generally been stagnant for the past decade, according to the EPI and other analyses. And over the past 30 years, according to the Georgetown report, engineers’ and engineering technicians’ wages have grown the least of all STEM wages and also more slowly than those in non-STEM fields; while STEM workers as a group have seen wages rise 33 percent and non-STEM workers’ wages rose by 23 percent, engineering salaries grew by just 18 percent. The situation is even more grim for those who get a Ph.D. in science, math, or engineering. The Georgetown study states it succinctly: “At the highest levels of educational attainment, STEM wages are not competitive.”
Boeing lost hundreds of experienced Seattle-area engineers last month
Dec. 7, 2022
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-lost-hundreds-of-experienced-seattle-area-engineers-last-month/
Last month, hundreds of very experienced Seattle-area Boeing engineers walked out the door. They chose to retire early with the realization they’d have a significant cut to their pension payouts if they delayed.
Though this quirk in traditional pension plans is not unique to Boeing, the outcome is a local brain drain that will accentuate a looming experience gap at the jet maker.
Boeing’s white-collar union said more than 500 highly experienced U.S. engineers and more than 130 technical staff retired in November.
For most of them, it was because a pending interest rate adjustment would otherwise have dramatically slashed their lump sum pension payouts by as much as an entire year’s salary.
Boeing’s Shift from Engineering Excellence to Profit-Driven Culture: Tracing the Impact of the McDonnell Douglas Merger on the 737 Max Crisis
January 13, 2024
https://airguide.info/boeings-shift-from-engineering-excellence-to-profit-driven-culture-tracing-the-impact-of-the-mcdonnell-douglas-merger-on-the-737-max-crisis/
How many engineers are required to design an airliner?
…..then they took a well deserved break and came back as free lance ” consultants and independent contractors…..(..laughing all the way to their investment advisors office…- don’t think they’d use a “bank ” do you? )
That mirrors my experience. BS – Engineering, worked in automotive and aerospace engineering, only got decent pay when I moved to program management. Mere engineers were considered a commodity.
In the past recession before the recession previous to the recession antecedent to the recession before that, they laid off my next door neighbor who was an engineer at GE. He went to teaching high school for the 10 years before his retirement. Industry likes to pull the rug out at a late age (and pay) and should be thoroughly punished for that.
Not my experience. Aeronautical engineers from Northrup Grumman, Lockheed Martin, etc., were well paid. The trade-off, having socialized with these people, was that they worked their proverbial arses off. Big, big money sits behind all of this.
You are correct that PMs make a lot more money. That’s where the action is at in the big scheme of things. Engineers, in my experience, are not well equipped when it comes to leadership, human relations, management of Cost, Schedule, Performance – which is where the project rubber, and ultimately contracts, meet the road.
Engineers solve problems in their sphere of expertise. The lifeblood of any project is on time, on schedule, on budget; “Buck Rogers” as it was phrased in The Right Stuff.
Reminds me of how long it took for corporate America to realize how absolutely important computer/net/tech security is. We were well into the Internet age before most of big tech locked in on creating IT security positions, and paying enough to attract and keep qualified experts. This was happening way too slowly as China was persistently hammering firewalls thousands of times a day, literally. I myself was underpaid despite not having a 4-year degree… I had experience, which back then was worth its weight in gold. But nobody was listening.
But you can’t get experience if you don’t go there and hang around for a while. And while one is working somewhere else, in a completely unrelated industry, all of that STEM education received in school years ago becomes less and less meaningful.
Unfocused, not sure where I’m going here, it’s hard to pin down what-all is going on and the main reasons why.
But I do know, as you allude Wnston, that America is not that dumb. It’s just misappropriated in various ways.
I see both sides too. Both sides can be true. “The solution won’t be quick or painless.” Amen. I think parts of our culture will go very far to avoid pain, to our lasting shame. Let’s get in there and get moving toward solutions while accepting the “licks” we deserve.
We actually used to train people to work, not expect them to know everything about the business they were about to enter. We tested them and educated them and created a capable work force.
But you had good raw material. People who wanted not only to work, but to excel. They had good work ethic, a foundation to build on, and ambitions for their future.
I hired and trained a lot of people in my management career, and a much smaller number when I owned a small business. At the end of my management career, if I wanted to fill 3 or 4 positions, I needed to sift through up to 100 applications, most of which were awful. Say I found 20 good ones and I called. Maybe five people would call back to schedule and interview, and not all of them would show up. I’d be very lucky to hire 2 okay people. Maybe, maybe one of them would be a decent employee for awhile.
This was retail work, qualifications were much lower than in the tech industry. I do not necessarily see that as making it easier to hire. I would hope that people who can get a degree in math, engineering, or science fields have learned discipline.
Imfound most applicants under 30 to be poorly educated, often slovenly, rarely dressed properly for an interview, and unprepared to actually work, and produce value. They simply expected to show up and be paid. Consequently, I much preferred to hire older people, the older, the better. I once had two part time retired men working for me who got more done in their 20 hours per week than almost all my full time employees. And they were never late, or out, and never bitched about working.
Math has long been a love of mine. And that came about because about fourth or fifth grade, I decided I wanted to be the smartest kid in school with the best grades. Math was my weakest subject, so from then on, I did double or more the math problems assigned in homework. I studied the material over and over, until I mastered it. And allow me to tell you, I could never have approached being one of the best of the best in a STEM field. But I got very good.
For those of you, like me, who love math and science, have you tried to converse with younger people about something in those areas? Have you tried to get a feel for how well educated they are? Have you actually had any opportunity to read something written by most people 30-35 or under write? Have you talked to them about what they like to read, art they admire, their knowledge of history, and grasp of big concepts?
I am not on either side, particularly, here. I think Vivek totally bungled what could have been a good conversation. I think Americans are routinely denied opportunities that foreigners get. I think American culture in the past has produced innovation and brilliance unmatched by the rest of the world. I think also that we are in danger of losing that, because schools don’t teach and parents want said schools to be babysitters for their undisciplined brats.
But the problem is, as always, we have stopped being able to have conversations and debates, learn from each other, and come out, both sides better.
It’s always about scoring points, winning an argument. Almost never about listening and learning.
What a terrific and thoughtful post. Like many in my generation ( later baby boomer) regular classrooms were not suited to my type, or one of our brothers.
That said a strong work ethic, and a raw intelligence that we had inherited was a determining factor in our success.
My brothers story is quite remarkable as he to is a baby boomer, who left school at 12 with no formal paperwork, but because of his incredible work ethic, night school career specific courses, and a keen business acumen is in a highly respected position.
That drive came out of a dysfunctional environment, and poverty.
Welfare, and “ social assistance “🤮 has destroyed much of that.
Fortunately we were able to steer our sons away from University, explain consumer debt and its curse.
All is well “ one day at a time”
Thank you!
At the end of the day, your brother had the internal drive/will to acquire the human capital and experience needed to create value in “the system”. I know people like him. It’s a tougher path to follow – yet very often leads to business innovators who change the dynamic; who themselves become the agents for employment of others.
Bravo Zulu!
👍
I went to high school with my husband. He hated every minute of it, made poor grades, and barely graduated. I was valedictorian. He is a creative thinker, me, not so much. He’s masterful at useful mathematics, and he’s a true craftsman who can build things and solve problems others are stumped by. I doubt that he’d score higher than me on an IQ test, but he is in actuality much smarter and a better problem solver. I am good at those things, but he excels.
Thank you!
Cheers!
Couldn’t agree with you more….the US education system, particularly at the college level has falls into the abyss. Being the least educated in the room makes you the smartest one amongst a group of highly educated, dumb people. Dumb educated people are the ones that require the most attention, and can be the most damaging to an organization if not managed properly.
While I agree with your overall condemnation of the American educational system – I have met more than a few “least educated” types who were also dumb as a rock.
Finding good people for the job at the level that it is funded is not easy. There are whole industries training people how to navigate through the resume/interview process. We all know how the “friend of” angle works. We all know how corrupt HR departments can be. Heck, many hiring decisions are made by “group” interview recommendations that themselves reflect the biases/histories of the people charged with finding the next hire.
The tired and true path, at least at the entry level, that I have observed, is to accept a lower paying job, make one’s self truly value adding quickly, and then play the system off against itself: Mrs/Mr branch head, “I just received a job offer at this salary and with these benefits. I have two weeks to decide. I really like it here, but my family comes first. Can you make me a comparable offer?” I have seen this over and over again. It’s a tough decision for management. They absolutely want to keep performers. They do not want groomed experience walking out the door. They do not want to have to endure the training process all over again. They do not want investments in training/education to walk out the door to the benefit of other enterprises (i.e., no return on investment). Within a budget cycle, higher paycheck often equals fewer total hires. It can create rancor among the non-performers.
My experience differs vis the “the most educated are the biggest fools”. Not what I have experienced. What I have experienced, anecdotally, is that the best educated are often placed into leadership roles for which they have no prior work experience – very often, again anecdotally, people in these positions cannot make timely decisions with conviction. And that, inevitably, destabilizes the entire business/operations process.
The tried and true path….!
That is one YUGE blanket statement, Phil.
Plenty of Americans were laid off and replaced with cheap foreign labor in the tech industry.
It is primarily about the Benjamins. IMHO
I know productive people who were replaced by foreign workers.
I am a teacher. Students are a mixed bag– like everyone else. Plenty of them are bright, hardworking, and have a desire to learn.
BK, where are you?
Concur 100%. In my extended family there are some very bright young people who apparently have received some good education and guidance along the way. This is one of very few things that gives me hope for America’s future.
I also had experience with people leaving for money all through multiple careers in multiple segments of the working world. Grass is always greener, somewhere else. Often not, as a whole, but it keeps on happening.
The problem resides in the school system, especially high school thanks to Jimmy Carter’s creation of the Dept. of Education. What are the priorities in high school? Sports, especially the golden calf – football. I’m not saying you shouldn’t have sports, but priorities should be in STEM not athletics. When our son was in a high school heavy on the football program, if you didn’t go to class for whatever the reason that day, you didn’t have to inform your teachers or counselor, but be sure you informed the football coach. Our son wanted to be an architech. The 4 year program made to him by the counselor was so disastrous and mediocre that, if we would allowed it, he will be flipping burgers. When we went to talk about it and correct it all, the counselor had the nerve to tell us that “they” didn’t require all those classes for graduation. We told him: you don’t, we do. And this is only one example of he mediocre disaster that is infesting our schools natiowide.
IF, this is actually their words, I see: ” trickery wordsmithing”, betrayal, greed and unmitigated gall! Their mouths just
over-loaded their brains. Gentlemen, “pride growth before a fall”!
“he quality of students entering the workforce from the US is abysmal both from the intellectual standpoint and work ethic” Study the cause! American education is failing, it’s “abysmal” because over half the country are now illegals, and when globalists want something they MAKE it happen. They want a one world government. So, out go native Americans, with our massive resources, develope by the greatest American generations in the first place!
We have the most expensive education system in the world and produce terrible results. Start there. Children don’t know what they don’t know. This is an adults in positions of power problem. By the time they reach collage age its already too late.
Start with the teachers unions, tenure and administrators.
Take exception to business being easy. Without businesses you don’t need techies. Who runs the economy, techies? They are needed support. American gets shit done , remember that.
Spot on.
Anyone in the trenches of high tech hiring and R&D knows that there is a huge gap in talent versus need and that foreign engineers represent a significant percentage of the “gap” solution. Same holds true at many of our advanced research labs. Then again, no one should be surprised. Who occupied the top rungs of the theoretical science ladder of the Manhattan Project? Who formed the backbone for early NASA? Post WWII, what country did we pilfer expertise from to advance our biochem weapons capabilities?
Anecdotally, it hasn’t escaped my attention that the best healthcare professionals I end up being “led” to by primary caretakers (in FL) come from India, Pakistan and other foreign locales. One of the best primary physicians I had was raised in Columbia – this guy knew his “stuff” and caught my cancer well before the blood test interpreters. Specifically, the pointy end of the stick, the surgeons who actually perform the work I care most about when wearing my patient hat. It may only be incidental that I found these people to be much less bound to political concepts such as DEI.
To remain consistent with CTH thinking, all of the engineers working the gov’t sinecure system are unproductive rubes regardless of country of origin.
Not all the students are lazy. My granddaughter is finishing up her civil engineering degree and was hired, without her degree yet, by the engineering company she interned with last summer.
I guess she so impressed them they created a new position description just for her. She continues her college and works 40 hours. Thank goodness the company is very flexible with her work time.
She was there 6 months and has already been recruited by two other companies; she does excellent work and a lot of it per reputation.
Our kids are out there working hard; they just need to be given the chance to succeed.
Saying engineering programs are dominated by foreigners is a stretch. I graduated from a very large university in an engineering program 13 years ago. Yes, not “recent” but not that long ago either.
There are a significant amount of foreigners, but it is no more than 1/3. Also, many of these engineering discipline programs are controlled. Meaning they do not admit many students even if they qualified because they want to keep the enrollment down. In other words, they are replacing likely American students with foreigners.
Whenever I was in college, I did find many of the foreigners did well in the classroom, but I personally never met one that had any mechanical, electrical, construction, ect. aptitude. I know we are talking more about tech and not the more traditional engineering fields, but I think this is evidence that Americans posses important qualities that foreigners from other cultures do not.
Baltimore was never producing engineering students. The universities favor foreign students because they pay full out of state tuition. They also favor non-whites over whites to include Indian and Pakistani kids whose parents are here but not citizens themselves.
Anecdotal but I know of a specific instance where a white young man was denied admission to GA Tech while his Indian classmates/friends were all admitted. He was a National Merit Scholar with a higher GPA and better academic record but was white. He was advised to do a year or two at another GA college than transfer in later. It was made clear that his race was the deciding factor.
He is now a working mechanical engineer who left GA. I don’t believe this isn’t happening at colleges around the country.
The root cause of all of this is the broken, federally funded, education system in the US.
D’s get degrees………
That is true, but I am getting really tired of Americans getting blamed for everything, all the time. Everyone else’s poor lot in life is all our fault. Sick and tired.
We have problems with our schools.
Founding Fathers grew schools out of Churches.
They took God out of schools and indoctrinate.
Woke teaching,
Covid.
The New Math ..
Not sure about word problems.
As much as I hated them they taught me to think things to the end.
hugs treepers
MAGA
Never vote for anyone with a foreign name. Do a background check to see if they have changed their name.
Yes
They came, they saw, they conquered??
If they truly came to US to become MAGA this is the last thing We need to realize; just like the elites who advocate for illegals to clean our toilets and pick the crops??
To them ‘high tech’ is too complicated for US, we’re not prepared??……….they have missed the point of what it means to be the land of plenty with freedom to reach all your potential.
There is nothing in the USA that can’t be done by US.
God Help US
So many areas of the USA have succumbed to D.I.E. it’s going to be an uphill struggle for the young to catch up on what they lost.
The Medical Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, and even our Agricultural Complex are out of reach already; now the ‘Tech Industrial Complex’ is too complicated for the average MAGA American?
The good ol’ US of A ended when the Civil Rights Act was passed in the 1960s, which conferred special preferred legal status to every other category of persons, except the evil hated dreaded white man. There is no way to recover from the result of the subsequent sixty years of cultural, economic, and political madness. Even the phenomenon of Trump himself can’t correct such a catastrophe.
The young people going to Trade schools and Colleges to get education in actual solid thing’s are as good as any in the past. The colleges that teach classes in ,transgender violin repair or Transvestite toy repair , vocal fry speech . They have messed up everything.The professors at most colleges couldn’t hold a job as Manure shovel-er at a milking parlor.
Bunch of bull. Our younger generation is every bit as smart and hardworking as any other country if they are/were given the chance. Nothing is worst then trying to get anyone in another country to understand what one needs or what instructions would help. In truth, they don’t have the ability to go into our technology without being trained and that could be done as well for Americans. We are the land of the great and that includes the ability to take on technology and win. Keep your people where they are needed and give our people what is owed.
I agree
As someone who hired and trained a lot of people over the years, I do not agree. Smart maybe, but their work ethic and motivation and desire to earn a place in the world is not nearly as good as older workers. Very few people I interviewed fresh out of school come dressed properly for an interview, arrive on time, and professionally present themselves. They haven’t been motivated enough to care to learn those skills.
When employed, their attendance is poor, they are often late, they not only do not complete tasks, they cannot process instructions unless you give them things to do one step at a time. They feel it’s their God given right to look at their cell phones every few minutes, and do no see their performance as related to salary and raises. They expect to be well paid for simply showing up. They are not problem solvers, and initiative is rare.
They percent of you people not fitting the above description is alarmingly rare.
My husband and I saw it as a huge part of our responsibility to teach our sons to work, to work hard, smart, and that success was entirely related to work ethic and knowledge. I don’t think parents are doing that much nowadays. Too many seem to think schools should teach everything from reading to how to tie your shoes.
There are two sides to this discussion, and there’s good stuff on both sides.
Today’s young adults would be utterly unable to handle a “great depression” scenario.
Collectively, they are EXTREMELY weak of morals, will and mind.
“Participation trophies”, “safe spaces”, etc.
Remember when calculators were banned in math class? Today’s kids use AI to write their term papers.
And don’t get me started on how doing away with “spare the rod, spoil the child” has indeed spoiled…sorry, RUINED….today’s lazy, undisciplined, disrespectful, narcissistic, “gotta have it NOW” children in adult bodies.
The thing to realize is…..this 👆 is EXACTLY what DC and the Deep State wanted and has worked so hard to manifest, starting with Jimmah Carter and his ruinous Dept. of Education. The intenional and very purposeful destruction of families, single moms, skyrocketing divorce rates, etc.
They wanted NPC’s, and they have been WILDLY successful in creating them.
I blame the people as much as the politicians and the educators. The parents who let this happen to their kids are culpable.
In have two granddaughters, ages 21 and 25, who are exceptional and they did not have the advantage of coming from money. One is going to nursing school on grants, not loans and the other one is a full time employee for an auto auction managing their online sales. If we require more from our children, they usually deliver.
DOGE is important but they need to stay in their lane. This issue puts the whole enterprise at risk.
The whole enterprise was at risk when a disgruntled employee dissed his supervisor to DOGE, which posted her name and salary online. We’ll see much more of this. Reminds me of people in medieval times calling out their neighbors as witches just so a land and possessions grab could occur. The worst emotion is envy. “If I can’t have it, you can’t have it, either.” DOGE is a way to ensure that what people worked very hard for can be taken away.
The number of people who could tell a similar story is probably in the hundreds of thousands but reading this this morning brought back to me a quintessential experience with these super Indians, from more than 35 years working what I thought of as nuts and bolts IT assignments for one of America’s largest companies, all over the midwestern states.
I had a client in the late 90s that was (and still is) a heavy equipment manufacturer with its major operations in the US and some overseas, some in China, some in India. I was called in to help them drag a networking project over the finish line. They had staff adequate to the requirements I thought, the project plan seemed reasonably sensible, but they were way behind.
After two weeks of peeling the layers off this thing, looking for the hold up, I was asked to attend a “management turnover meeting”. I was a little surprised someone was getting whacked, having seen many (ok, pretty much all) projects behind in which no culprit was either ID’d or sent packing.
The turnover, in fact, was: the Indian guy running half the project was going back to the company plant in India and another guy was coming in from the plant in India, to take over. I spent two days listening as guy 1 walked guy 2 through every jot and tittle of the project and the plan. The third day there’s the usual corporate BS coffee and cake goodbye and guy 1 leaves.
I then watched in amazement as guy 2 dismantled nearly everything guy 1 had done, and started over. I dug a little into the background of these guys and discovered there’d been a string of them. The company could bring in “management trainees” from the plant in India, in very small numbers so as not to gather too much attention or generate too much paperwork, but had to swap them out every six months to keep clear of immigration law complexities.
I had a work buddy in the local office at the time who was in his mid-30s and of Indian heritage. He’d come to the States as a two year old when he parents emigrated. He was about as Indian as I am. Over lunch one day I told him this story and said I just didn’t get it and lamented the fact they’d never get the project done the way they were going about it.
He quizzed me about how many Indian guys there were (about a quarter of the project team, pretty much all hired guns from a local job shop) thought about it a moment then said something along the lines of: “Imagine you divided everyone on the project up by religion. Then discovered, the Catholics wouldn’t talk to the Presbyterians but they would talk to the Baptists who wouldn’t talk to the Methodists under any circumstances and the two Jewish guys won’t talk to anyone but the one Unitarian guy and he will only talk to the Catholics. How long would it take to have a project go casters up?” I replied, not long and he said, “Only it’s about a hundred times more complicated than that. It’s a wonder they get anything done.”
Namberak,
I am one of the hundreds of thousands.
I worked for a Fortune 500 manufacturer before retirement. They hired many Indian engineers at a Bangalore design center, from where many who would come to the USA for short periods. Most were highly intelligent, book smart, but subpar when compared to the American engineers. Most couldn’t make independent decisions, lacked innovation and problem-solving skills, and if they ever made an error, they started pointing their fingers at everyone but themselves.
I always suspected the inability to accept responsibility for mistakes and finger pointing was a product of the caste system, where I presumed blame only rolls downhill if you’re from a higher caste.
I recall the company also hired many IT Indians, forced the local American IT workers to train them, and then fired all the Americans and replaced them with the newly trained Indians. It was a disaster, and they ended up rehiring those Americans who were willing to return for higher wages.
There are many other examples I could mention in other departments.
It was never about getting the best workers. It was always about hiring people at much lower wages and the bottom line. Also, another reason was they needed local content to sell products in India, so the engineering was considering part of the local content.
My experience is they don’t listen. They want to do what they want. And then when it doesn’t work instead of going back to the origin of the problem they want to craft bandaide over bandainde “fixes”.
Well put. That ‘local content’ thing was and still is, no doubt, a killer. ‘Local content’ is how my employer queued me up to do a two year stretch in Beijing which would have started in 2012. A friend who had a similar assignment there a couple of years previously waved me off of it. I retired instead. Smart move on my part. 🙂
Vivek and Musk are fooling no one. Trump needs to get their attention.
Watch a group of Indians build a 2.5 to 3.5 million house near us.
The property owner always a Sikh or Chinese uses only Indian labour, labour gotten at the local Temple.
Labour that skirts all but basic regulations.
Watching these things being built is quite something. One can see immediately when the owner will occupy or sell.
As true trades folks are involved, and real wood as opposed to OSB is used etc.
I am friendly with many in the Sikh community, and have been offered some fantastic insights by a few of them over the decades.
I have a great respect for their culture of family.
However it is quite different from that of many native borns.
Is it right? What’s Gods plan?
My elderly neighbour received something like 2.3 million for a particularly desirable view property she owned. It was left vacant until permits were issued, and then down the old house came.
She was delighted, and her “ Golden Years “ are more comfortable and her adult kids too.
Our entire hillside was cherry orchards sixty years ago, and that was long before we got here.
Cheers to all.
The whole premise of their argument is garbage. The tech industry is inherently remote. You don’t need to bring anyone to this country to work in Tech engineering. Let them live remote and pay them that way if they are so valuable. AND you save your company money on salary and cost of living. Not to mention sponsorship and all those costs.
Absolutely ridiculous.
They don’t want to be in the 25% (or whatever it is) tax bracket for corporations under PDJT’s new rule of “Put your business in the USA and HIRE AMERICANS and you get the 15% corp tax bracket”.
They want to create exceptions to the rule that are so dire that they can only have Indians work in their industries. Create an emergency so that your industry gets the asterisk as to why the rules don’t apply to them.
They want their cake: Business is in the USA, and eat it too: Don’t hire Americans.
True!
A Sikh friend uses an Indian in a India for his basic computing requirements.
The detailed stuff is contracted to an individual here in Canada.
Vivek, are you saying American workers “don’t cut it”? Please explain.
He doesn’t want to pay the going wage. He wants cheap foreign labor.
There’s something more ominous in Rama’s comments.
I hate to say this but his criticism of American culture in order to promote the import of more foreign tech workers has echoes of “deplorables,”” smelly wal mart shoppers,” and “garbage.”
Not good. I think President Trump should rebut or explain.
It is a common attitude that Indians have about Americans. They come from and mostly support a caste system where they treat other Indians worse than we’d treat a child molester. Think what they honestly feel about white or black people.
Very interesting and enlightened debate.
Former President Trump was re-elected. He runs the show. Musk and Vivaswamy are advisors. They may be grabbing headlines and Tweets, but they run DOGE. PE Trump runs them.
Prayers of wisdom for PETrump.
Fredo runs them. Or perhaps more accurately, they’re running Fredo, who seems to be basking in their limelight.
Is it because there’s no high quality talent in the USA , or rather that “foreign“ engineers from 3rd World countries are so desperate to escape their dire situation that they’ll work many more hours @ a lower pay rate? I tend to believe it’s the later.
As a degreed Mechanical Engineer, I left the Petro-Chemical Industry in the mid 90s when the EPA essentially shut down all major new construction projects in the US. While I’m still work in a Technical field, none of my classmates work in Engineering any longer.
Yes. In the hey day of big visual effect movies of the 90s. We had many many Korean transplants in our company. We found out they were being paid HALF what American artists we being paid.
“They’ll work many more hours @ a lower pay rate” is useless if they don’t accomplish anything.
Bean counters don’t see it that way!
A video clip of an HR manager for gas-oil companies shows they are creating culling lists of vaccinated employees with projections of having to replace these workers in three to three and a half years.
If that was true, they wouldn’t need DOGE as supposedly 90% of DC located federal employees took the jab.
They are used by the tech industry as indentured servants. They own them and make them work long hours for much lower pay than any American will accept. The visa holders can’t complain because if their employer drops them they have to go back to their country.
Let’s wait and see what President Trump says. Watch. And wait.
Elon Musk vs. Stephen Miller: Washington preps for battle on high-tech immigration
Tech lobbyists see a rare opportunity to bring in new high-skilled workers. They’ll need to get past a powerful current in the GOP
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/01/elon-musk-steven-miller-battle-high-tech-immigration-00191922
Big Tech’s H1B Arguments Aren’t Just FALSE… They’re Also Immoral
…While bringing allegedly top talent from around the world to the United States sounds good on its face, this isn’t actually what H1B visas do.The O-1 visa is actually the program used to grant legal work status to a foreign nation in the United States that is considered a ‘once-in-a-generation’ intellectual talent in a critical industrial sector.H1B visas apply more to workers with skills that native-born Americans can easily learn through technical training programs or even collegiate classes. Think more programmer or mid-level software engineer than someone trained in semiconductor fabrication.Even more concerning is that the big tech companies routinely abuse H1B visas as part of a scheme to suppress the wages of both American and foreign workers while maximizing shareholder profits.Recently, the U.S. Department of Justice ramped up enforcement of visa rules after a pattern emerged in which tech companies artificially create the appearance of a domestic work shortage to increase their H1B allotments. This ultimately resulted in native-born workers being laid off and replaced two or threefold by cheaper foreign H1B workers…
https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis-post/big-techs-h1b-arguments-arent-just-false-theyre-also-immoral/
The aspiration of making America great again collapses under the premise that Americans can’t rise to the occasion, only immigrants can meet our needs.
*The whole point* is that *our own* greatness is just waiting the pathway to be unleashed.
Extremely disappointing.
This new response to Vivek, from Sundance, speaks for me –
https://x.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1872353425398354037
I believe that there are good arguments on both sides of this contention, but I must say, what you said here…
“The aspiration of making America great again collapses under the premise that Americans can’t rise to the occasion, only immigrants can meet our needs.”
…is one of the most succinct and telling ripostes I’ve read so far. Well done.
J
Why not recruit Pat Buchanan to head up DOGE?
Yes.
I would say, “What a numbskull!”
I dunno.
Maybe because Buchanan was a Nixon disciple? You know, the same President who created multiple executive departments now hated by most conservatives, took the US off the gold standard permanently, opened the door to Chinese ascendancy, like as not lied about many Watergate related matters?
President Donald J Trump is a Buchanan disciple.
As Donald Trump should be.
Slainte friend!
Honor Patrick J. Buchanan with the Presidential Medal of FreedomThe TAC co-founder made the world we’re living in.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/honor-patrick-j-buchanan-with-the-presidential-medal-of-freedom/
“During the 1990s and into the 2000s, Buchanan was a voice of one calling in the wilderness, warning the nation about unrestricted immigration, free-trade agreements that were decimating the middle class and outsourcing our manufacturing base, and the consequences of the neoconservative and liberal internationalism that resulted in endless wars. Buchanan also defended traditional values such as marriage and the life of the unborn, and he fought against the progressive attacks upon American history.”
I respect your allegiance to PB and his ideas.
My pov differs from yours. PB has been right on many things. But overall, a sideshow in American politics.
Mutual respect from myself to you. Cheers
Maybe ask Kissinger and the others who babysitted and framed Nixon…
Naahh.
We hold all Presidents accountable. Buck stops here and all that stuff.
You’re telling me Indians are better coders than Americans? No they are not. I have direct experience with them and they suck.
And also succumb to same dangers of drugs and alcohol.
My experience has been the same. Many if not most are not problem solvers and lack initiative. They will tell you things are fine, no problems, until the day of the deadline when it will be found the code does not work as it’s supposed to.
And I have experience that both can suck
What’s your jingoistic point?
Reality: really good coders (read as engineers)? Have been and always will be expensive. That was my experience in cyber-security. I knew anti-virus top of the pyramid types who told the military they were going to work from home and what communications infrastructure and IT they demanded. It’s why Google, deep in resources, way over-hired capable people as a “ready reserve”.
Really “good” coders still have to be trained. I can’t count the number of really “good” coders I worked with who didn’t know/understand **** about aviation, weapons profiles, combat time constraints, etc. Lotta money and time went into grooming these people to understand the applied space they were hired to assist. I can recall both the Harvard types and the self-made coding geniuses having to be groomed (extensively) to understand all the time constraints in the underlying TCP/IP protocol architecture and the additive effects of their employment in various spectra for combat a/c moving very fast three dimensionally. Everything from weather to antenna locations as source/destination aspecting changed; how internal systems and protocols would need to change to accommodate differing classification levels; how software defined radios introduced a huge array of security issues.
It should be obvious, but bears repeating: expertise in one skill set (e.g., coding) does not automatically translate to domain expertise.
Addendum: I also sat through more than one cybersecurity conference with leading luminaries (coding wizards; race independent folks who founded their own companies or found employment at places like DARPA) for gov’t cyber projects/R&D who, in their previous incarnations, were sentenced for major league hacks. That one always left me somewhat skeptical.
Given the realities of todays education system and what liberal professors are chosing to teach and given a lot of colleges kids in todays U.S.A. can’t even read, I think maybe Musk and Ramaswamy are just staing the current realities on the ground.
With all of the foreign students attending these so-called American universities, where does that leave us?
How many students actually learn anything after 7th / 8th grade? Why force them to go to High School to clog up the system? Maybe the 50% who aren’t interested in academic learning, should be given workforce training instead. Then the students who are interested in further learning could receive better, more focused education, and be better prepared for STEM and other college degree tracks.
My Grandfather did that as the Superintendent of a PA school system.
I am certain many are now enjoying a 6 figure salary and their own retirement plan.
They were shuffling off high school students to work in daycare about seven years ago.
It’s BS. They want cheap foreign labor.
While Vivek disparages Americans, my son who recently graduated college with a computer science degree cannot even get a job interview because the tech companies want to hire lower wage foreign workers. Trump better get a handle on this because
the American People who voted for him like my family are deeply disappointed in this H1B visa situation.
Take your concerns to Senator Ted Cruz. Cruz The Canadian supported this for YEARS. President Trump did not organize this at all. Tr..l.
As a Trump supporter for years, I expect president Trump to fix this threat to the MAGA base.
Cruz isn’t my senator and Texas can do better.
You do not seem to understand how senators and Ted Cruz’s wife, i.e. Goldman Sachs, work together to ruin our country.
Since the 17th Amendment, ALL senators are yours.
EXCELLENT RESPOMSE to the “AI TECHS”. Well said and Thank You!!
All sounds like an oxymoron to me.
Hey I remember a guy once, who, was shot at and then stood up and raised his fist, thats why Vivek and Elon are working for him. He is the embodiment of our culture! Thats why we survived Ice Ages and all the rest of it, it’s literally in our DNA,
I worked with an Indian engineer who was the head over a major airport infrastructure project. In order to figure out what days concrete cylinders needed to be broken for testing, he had to ask Siri what 3, 7, 28 and 56 days from the current date were. He was amazed I could do it in my head, and I have an English degree and Masters in Education, not an engineering degree.
My boss (I will let you guess the ethnicity) told us Jan 1st was not a federal holiday and if we didn’t show up for work that day, don’t bother showing up on the 2nd. We did not get holiday pay.
I appreciate Musk’s and Vivek’s support of the MAGA movement. However, they are “Johnny come lately” oligarchs who came to the movement AFTER it had already gained critical mass. Their support has been valuable, but they are in no way entitled to “drive the wagon”. Neither they nor Vance are far from completely self made: they were elevated to their oligarch status by Peter Thiel who is very heavily invested in each one of them.
They are not really free market capitalists, but are rather modern mercantilists or at best crony capitalists. Their fortunes are very heavily dependent on their connections to the US government. Frankly, given their past statements and actions, I have trouble trusting them to be interested in what is best for the hard working, non-elite US citizens. Let’s remember the old Ronald Reagan caution: Trust, but verify.
Good.
We’re waking people up to these MAGA fraudsters.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/12/vivek_steps_in_it_with_trump_s_base_on_h1_b_visas.html
Thanks Sundance, Kilroy was here.
I was thinking of buying a Starlink; not now. That weirdo doesn’t need my money.
Don’t waste your money. The unit coats $500. Then it needs a proprietary router, another $100. After that the monthly service is $150…. Per Month.
All those Starlinks Musk “donated” to the survivors of Hurricane Helene? Yeah the routers and monthly service was NOT. All he did was basically commandeer new customers under the guise of “relief”.
Liar and Fraud. He belongs nowhere near any decision making responsibilities for me and mine..
Yeah, I had deleted all social media accts years ago but was considering the lowest monthly fee to open an acct on x to follow Sundance, catturd and a few others. Elon will not get my $3 a month.
This is an old, old issue ref. tech workers. For over 30 years, the US educational system have overproduced grads in subjects other than sciences. Think gender studies, for example, as the latest. Smart ones major in business and haunt Wall Street. Fact is there simply are not enough US citizens that are tech workers regardless of segment. Example: in the 1990s we recruited from places like Russia, India, et al, for software developers. And, if anything, the situation has gotten worse.
The issue is who we allow into the country.
The high tech workers, imho, are not only OK but vital to the economy.
My American son just graduated with a computer science degree and can’t get a job interview. There is no shortage of
software workers. They just want cheap foreign labor.
That’s the lie they’ve told to justify not employing Americans. Corporate America wants cheap labor – period. They have no loyalty to the US. They are more than happy to have the dumb rubes fight and die to protect their interests overseas and at home, but don’t want to hire or pay a living wage.
There’s no shortage of tech workers – there’s a shortage of workers they can pay low wages, work 60+hours a week without OT, and not pay SS or Medicare taxes to employ.
Moratorium on all immigration.
Retrain all.
Make Americans Useful Again.
Actual story illustrative of the problem: White male, high iq, nationally recognized scholar, top 1% SATS… DEI blocked from ivys. Graduates early honors college with computer science engineer BS, looking to program for techs. Applies google, facebook, etc. Interviews conducted telephonically by non-Americans. Ultimately, not offered programming position. Attends law school, becomes IP lawyer, makes good income.
Moral: first choice for an extremely competent conservative American native was programming position. Most tech openings are relatively low paying, date entry positions, which American university educated, skilled cs grads find boring and don’t want.
Solution: Instead of filing in data entry with H1b visas to keep salaries low, pay talented Americans enough to attract them to accept starter level position with chance to work their way up.
Excellent point. The cream always rises to the top, that is UNLESS the manager happens to wish to bring his cousins family over and despises Americans.
Ain’t gonna happen.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-clash-maga-movement-foreign/
Good going patriots!!!
People are posting on Gab that people on X are being censored about this topic by the people who are running X.
LOL
Truth.
Laura Loomer brought up legit problems with the H1B visa program,on X.
Elon responded, Loomer bodied him with facts, so he took away her Premium service she had been paying for, he unsubscribed all of her subscribers, lied to her subscribers with direct messages to them stating Loomer herself chose to end subscriptions.
She proved him a liar again, he retaliated by banning her from new posting.
So, not only is Elon Musk a liar and a fraud, he’s also a pussy.
So there’s that..
Sd, if I may point out one item and posit another. Point one, most of the hailed stories were of those people that were brought up in the 70’s and 80’s (and earlier). Parents of Depression and War. The drive to work hard, innovate and make your mark in society was high.
The posit is the great disconnect between the current educational system (Carter) and excelling in society. Those that want to excel are held back to the lowest common denominator. That is where “Redneck Engineering” comes in. A denigrating title for those that think in a non-linear fashion to get the job done. Education vs. Wisdom.
Food for thought, when did our schools stop promoting intelligence and motivation? I say, look no further than the formation of the DOE.
As for the foreign workers…they work hard and are disposable. Until capitalism figures out that it is better (and cheaper) to have one hard working patriot with an innovating mind than two hard working drones, this H1B issue won’t be solved. In my simple mind, it boils down to quality over quantity. The business schools just don’t “get it”.
…steps off soapbox…
If your a white male, highly educated, & not woke, the high tech sector & corporate America does not want anything to do with you. Trust me, I have lived it & got out a long time ago. MAGA needs to be based on merit. Get rid of the crap & you will have more than enough home grown talent!
Merit.
I agree.
Respectfully, still leaves open the problem of getting that first chance to perform meritoriously. A problem I had to repeat to my daughter endlessly: your future depends in part on a chain that reaches all the way back to high school and maybe earlier.
But as a foundation principle you nailed it.
Move the companies back to India.
Guess I’m using UPS going forward.
THIS is the problem. Indian mafia.
The people of the US must understand we are under constant attack from every other top down country on the planet due to our design of freedom.
The source is Newsweek but wouldn’t they have been sued if a story of this magnitude were not true?
https://www.newsweek.com/vivek-ramaswamy-fraud-always-has-been-opinion-1823853
He is a 🐂 💩 artist!
He is authentic as a three 💵 bill.
I see a 50’s era make America feel great again style patriotic movie in the works here…..hmmmmm? ( Elon & Vivek will not be the hero’s – more like ” THANKS for your great help guys, don’t let the door hit you on the ass as you leave! )
H1B is a scam. I worked in one of the fields being taken over by H1B workers. They weren’t smarter or better they had one significant advantage for their employer and that was they would work 100 hour weeks without complaint for less money than American workers. I worked 60-80 hour weeks without overtime pay. I didn’t like it but it was part of the job. If the employers were required to pay all workers for their overtime the benefit of H1B would disappear. They should end all these programs and sned all the H1B workers back home and make America great again.
The bottom line is that we must get the American unemployed or individuals just holding a job to survive who were cast aside due in part to many of the policies put in place by the Biden administration back to work in positions utilizing their trained skill sets. H-1B and other like visas, although the employer has to pay certain charges/fees, provide the employer with financial and contractual benefits regarding the visa holder. Also note that the H-1B visa and possibly others provide for a backdoor permanent immigration into this country for the visa holder and family (individual, extended?). Until this country gets the American workers back to work and fully employed in their trained professions and the illegals removed, we do not need a hoard of visa applicants taking jobs and basically replacing qualified American employees.
This article adds more to the issue by rolling in the universities and foreign influence there on why there are fewer Americans in high tech. A very good read IMO
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/ingrassia-what-elon-vivek-get-wrong-about-h/
I don’t know the current state of tech in terns of the quality of labor. But I observe the following:
Big Tech has been swamped with WOKENESS over the past few years. This has forced many good people out of tech to be replaced by incompetent ideologs.
Big Tech makes excessive use of foreign support for production and for support services. Most of the time, English is not fully understandable and the support reads from a script… probably augmented by AI by now so they are effectively unskilled.
AI is where Big Tech thinks it wants to go which creates additional human crises in terms of demand and interest in remaining in the field.
Anything that becomes automated makes people more stupid. We’ve known this for a long time because they forbid calculators from classrooms until they achieved basic proficiency. Nevertheless:
GPS navigation makes people unable to navigate and will get lost easily.
Depending on Google Search for information gives people a slanted and advertiser-interested set of facts and a political bias on the truth.
AI examples shows wokeness in the results — both comical and frightening.
Let’s not concern ourselves too much about this until we better understand things.
#1 Trump is NOT that sort of employer. And Trump makes the decisions.
But the facts that PRESENT DAY BIG TECH are staffed with Wokesters and those who aren’t wokesters have mostly been pushed out (same for military and many other things) means there is a high probability there is a degree of necessity here.
Elon Musk solved many of X’s problems by firing useless people and found he didn’t even need them to be replaced.
I don’t consider Vivek Ramaswamy to be relevant in the sense that he is not an employer — he bought useless drug patents and remarketed them. Not a developer and not quite an entrepreneur… more like a drug company equivalent of a used car dealer.
It’s 100% true from the start, however, that the US does want and even need immigration after decades of birth decline as well as moral decline.
Does anyone think we are able to just click back up to levels we once believed we had? Not at all.
A well reformed and properly managed H1-B program can still be America First but we absolutely need proper management of these programs. We are all familiar with the abuse of those programs so ending that abuse and even punishing big tech for their abuses should be on the table.
But while we WANT US Americans in those jobs, we have to look at what we have to work with.
Moral decline? So, you want to bring in millions of muslims and pagans to stop moral decline? Or do you want to accelerate it?
It’s called replacement migration and has been the plan in North America and Europe for decades.
There is a family from India who own/operate a convenience store and gas station in our small town. Wonderfully friendly, community-supporting people. Works on his own cars. Mows his elderly neighbors’ yards for free. They raised their kids at the store. One child is now applying for her PhD in Neurology at Vanderbilt, the other just started undergraduate work toward an Aeronautical Engineering degree at a top engineering school.
How did they come to operate a convenience store (with surprisingly low prices, compared to other such stores around town)?
He was in sales with AT&T. The goal for all their sales people was 100 residential sales per year. Most were achieving between 50 and 60. He was achieving 160, then using his spare work time to develop sales in the business side (who had come to him–he had not gotten outside of his lane to pursue them). Was AT&T management happy with his industriousness and how it was benefiting their company?
No. They hammered him on inane kinds of things that you see in a Dilbert cartoon. He finally got so fed up with being punished for doing good, that he purchased this store (which was in near derelict shape) that he’d seen while driving a friend out of town to help him look for work.
I grew up with Great Depression Era parents. I know what work ethic and industrious attitude look like. I know I don’t see in my mirror anything like what I saw in them.
I have friends who are a generation or more behind me. When they saw what modern life was doing to their children (and these were intentional, purpose-driven parents who closely monitored and limited internet and smartphone availability) they sold their homes in town that were close to their work, and bought farms outside of town–just so their kids would grow up with real work and chores that were necessary for the family.
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Oh. BTW: My Indian friend’s son wanted a used new-model Ford Bronco for his going away to college vehicle. Dad did the research, saw the repair history on those, and wasn’t going to entrust his son to that! He did more research and bought his son a far more reliable Land Rover. I was shocked when he told me this, and asked him how a British-made car was more reliable?
His response was, “This model isn’t made in England. It’s made in India now, and it’s become the most reliable small SUV on the road.”
This discussion shouldn’t be about America-bashing. But it should be about looking at ourselves in the mirror, being honest, and individually doing something about it.
https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/doge-days-of-the-color-war-friday?r=yg4sn&utm_medium=ios
Another dangerous globalist posing as a support of Trump!! Normalcy, mediocrity, conformity, lazziness” describe America’s politicians & leaders. Well schooled, hardworking, excellent achievers have already been replaced with foreign workers. SHAME on both of them!
What a disappointment. It appears that even the billionaire club takes orders from their masters.
My advice: stay in your lane. You had great public support for the notion of drastic reduction of waste in government. That’s a lot to chew on so don’t get off the track. And once finished go back to your offices and let the “American culture” take over.
I guess it was too good to be true.
Not a supporter of a bloated federal government. But does it seem strange that they want to take away millions of well-paid government jobs, while at the same time advocating importing millions of foreigners to take away jobs in the tech industry as well.
It’s almost as if they want to destroy any middle class jobs in America…
I imagine Vivek and Elon will get frustrated and take their balls of money and leave, ending the DOGE project altogether.
Another promise/hope extinguished.
Indian people don’t wash their dishes and are too cheap to hire help but one day a week. Talk about stink.
Not for anything, but how is it that Elon Musk at 6′ 2″ looks three inches taller than Trump who is 6′ 3″?
Regarding H1b workers, as someone who spent the last 25 years working in Finance/IT at GE, who had an entire India-based IT development/support division that they spun off and used extensively for functional and technical support as sub-contractors, I can tell you that whatever cultural advantages Indian workers might have due to their caste-based history, is more than offset by a lack of creativity, ingenuity, transparency, and instinctive commitment to doing the right thing. These are uniquely American traits and CTQs for an effective IT organization.