Storm Shadow is a joint UK/FR effort developed in 1994. At a cursory level, its capabilities read like a US missile we have seen in action since the early 1990s. It has a 340 mi range per open sources; air platform hosted; GPS/terrain mapping guidance; non-nuclear warhead. The missile has been used in Iraq.

There are claims it has already been used in the Ukraine War.

So let me get this right: the missile is produced/stocked in UK and FR but UK PM Starmer is here to discuss deployment and/or battlefield use? Starmer is discussing this with our non-president puppet-President? No one else at the table? No discussions (at least reported) with ACLANT types in Norfolk? Trudeau is not part of the mtgs but is part of obviously coordinated messaging?

What a cluster {….}.

TPTB are playing a VERY dangerous game!

This ‘deep dive’ analysis / discussion from Daniel Davis is direct, stark and somewhat frightening.

The interview with Putin that sundance included is addressed, and more.

42 mins long but a ‘good’ watch.

The WAR PIGS are on terrible course.

It Was Not ‘Unprovoked Russian Aggression’: Chronology Shows Decades of NATO Aggression

https://larouchepub.com/other/2022/4923-it_was_not_unprovoked_russian.html

Waiting from any American politician to ask:
“Who’s willing to be NUKED for FUKraine/EU ?”
Every member of Congress, executive and Judiciary should be required to attend seminar on the effects of radiobiology….it would scare them to death! I studied 1 semester in med school Radiobiology and it’s Not pretty! Just 1 symptom: Nausea,Vomiting, Diarrhea..where you hemorrhage thru EVERY opening of your body and that’s a slow miserable death. These people are madmen!

The logical strike from Russia if long range missiles are sent over Russia would be to take out the privately owned spying satellites. I hope Musk and Gates have good insurance. Making the West (not just Nato) partially blind. Being civilians this would not be an official attack against Nato.

Being privately owned this would not give legal reason for Nato to officially attack Russia.

However even before that Russia has scope to take out the facilities in Ukraine before the rockets are launched.
Again, not an “official” strike against Nato because Nato is not admitting to having US UK people there.

If that doesn’t work in scaring hell out of those cowards hiding behind Zelinski to cease, then after that the advanced spying and information gathering”Wedgetail” aeroplanes which are also flying over the areas along the Russian borders would be the next logical target.

However these belong to the various Nato countries airforces so would be an act of war by Russia against Nato and I believe Russia will not do that yet.

NATO Expansion: the Road to Cold War and War Itself

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/07/23/nato-expansion-the-road-to-cold-war-and-war-itself/

Idiots are going to get us into a hot war and for what? Cannot see the rational antagonizing the Russians. NATO would have been better off working with Russian on a range of foreign and domestic topics.

Goldman Sachs CEO sitting in Hell proudly stating: “My stocks in Boeing and Locheed Martin were at a 52 week high when I was vaporised by a nuclear warhead!”

Do not underestimate the DS. The CIA launched fake bogey North Korea nukes early in the Trump administration (picked up by Hawaii) to goad Trump into a retaliatorily strike against NK. The best way to tie Trump’s hands after elected is to start a major war with Russia B4 election.

Wanton recklessness.

We make men without chests…

Cooler heads have prevailed for now. Starmer went back to England without approval to use SS long range missiles to attack Russia
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvdyd4nnzro

Provoke war with Russia with winter coming on. They must either be expecting a warn winter in Russia or the battlefield to be in a more mild part of the globe, Europe? USA?

Our federal government is an embarrassment to humanity.

Maybe this will be the big distraction from our upcoming elections being stolen from Trump once again .

Please Lord hear our prayers.
Our government is evil and corrupt.
We do not want these wars.
We do not want these horrible conflicts that kill men, women, and children.
Please Lord, if it is within Your Will for us, and the people of the world, stay the hands of the evil people who want death and destruction for their own gain.
I ask in Jesus’ name and under the blood of Jesus.
Amen.

The quickest way to end Kama chameleon’s run is to force her to publicly own this war and the NATO saber rattling. She’ll destroy herself in 30 seconds in her support of Biden and idiot Justin.

Mike Benz: The CIA, The Oil & Gas Industry, And Hunter Biden In Ukraine | Video | Bongino interview:

“…You can go back to the 1960s when George Bush Senior began his intelligence career, before he was president of the United States or vice president under Reagan or even before he was the CIA director in 1976. Before that, he came from the oil/intelligence world. He was the CIA’s liaison to oil companies in Latin America and that’s why he created Zapata Energy Offshore in Colombia and whatnot. There’s a long relationship between the CIA. If people want to do further reading on this, you can read the book “Private Empire” about ExxonMobil and its relationships with the U.S. government and the intelligence services. Dick Cheney runs through this story obviously with Halliburton, which coincidentally owns the oil and shale refining rights in Ukraine.

You had in Ukraine, this Grand Ukraine Energy Play by corporate and financial stakeholders on both sides of the political aisle, which is that Russia has $75 trillion worth of natural resources in Russia. It is the most resource-rich country on earth, but most of it, the vast majority of it is unexploited. But Russia itself, its economy was destroyed during the 20th century and as it rebuilds itself, it rebuilt itself through basically two things, its export of its natural gas, principally to Europe, and its arms industry, which has been the bane in the side, the thorn in the side, of the US foreign policy establishment for many years now.

If you remember, the Obama administration tried to invade Syria, but we were repelled because Russia provided Syria with the air defense systems, right? Look at what just happened in Niger just now, we just got kicked out of Niger and that’s because Russia was providing small arms to the army there. So if we can bankrupt Russia, there’s no opposition essentially to US military hegemony.

So there’s a DOD interest in bankrupting Russia. There’s a State Department interest in bankrupting Russia and taking all of their deal flow and having it transferred essentially as windfall profits to US or to NATO-based companies.

This is where the natural gas story comes in. Russia used to provide 100% of the natural gas to Europe through the incredible, it sits on basically the world’s second largest supply of natural gas. And it all used to run through Ukraine, either Ukraine or in a direct pipeline to Germany, but we know what happened to the German pipelines. But Ukraine was the great transit point. Not that Ukraine, Ukraine has a fair amount of unexploited natural gas and this is what Burisma was doing. But most of it, most of Ukraine’s financial gift and most of its annual revenues come from the gas transit fees that it has because it is the locus point of the East-West connective tissue.

So you have basically 100 years of gas pipelines that Ukraine is central to running through. So if you can simply rewire the gas so that it no longer comes from Russia, it no longer comes from Ukraine’s East, but it comes from Ukraine’s West, for example, by piping in U.S. LNG or British LNG up through Poland, through the Baltic Sea, and then connecting it directly to Ukraine, you have the same gas architecture. You don’t need to build a whole new web of energy infrastructure, which is very expensive to build and maintain. You simply reroute it and now you have basically a trillion-dollar market that’s captured by the West rather than by the East.

There was a plan in motion that goes back at least about a decade to have this happen. As Putin was reasserting himself on the world stage, he began to use gas diplomacy to win back countries in Central and Eastern Europe that had been folded into NATO or were trying to be folded into NATO to bring them into the Russian orbit again. This was called Energy Gas Diplomacy. The U.S. State Department, beginning in about 2006, began to coerce European countries to buy more expensive, Western gas than the natural gas that was coming from Europe in order to prevent Russian economic influence over their own politicians. These countries didn’t want to go along with it, but they ended up doing it anyway because of pressure from the U.S.

And then when Crimea happened in 2014, a lot of this was also because of this same gas story. If anybody follows any of the CIA cutouts in this space, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Center for European Policy Analysis, the Atlantic Council with seven CIA directors on its board, they are monomaniacally obsessed with getting the transfer of Russian gas.

Burisma played a very interesting role in this because Burisma was one of the biggest private sector gas companies in Europe that was providing this pipeline of endogenous gas into Naftogaz, the Ukraine state-owned company. Part of the reason we orchestrated the coup in 2014 to overthrow Ukraine was because the Ukrainian government under Viktor Yanukovych had refused an IMF trade deal where, in order to assuage its debts to the IMF, Ukraine would have had to privatize Naftogaz and sell off their public gas company to private stakeholders from the George Soros financial crew, which he played a big role in that, amazingly. …

If you can cut Russia off and force these countries to buy much more expensive Western-based gas, a lot of this just comes down to the logistics of the price system, which is that a natural gas pipeline is much cheaper than liquefying natural gas in Houston, shipping it across the Atlantic Ocean 5,000 miles, sending it to a port in Poland, running that through a connective tissue in Slovakia and then pouring it into Ukraine, then de-liquefying the gas. It’s just way more expensive so countries don’t want to do it. So the State Department has played a major role in coercing foreign governments and pressuring them and doing regime change operations to make sure that there are pliant puppet governments all over Central and Eastern Europe that are down with this plan.

You have to understand the CIA is not the big boss of all this. They’re not even the brains of all of this. They are the gimp of all of this. They are the assistant squad to the State Department.

We have three departments that are foreign-facing that comprise our “department of dirty tricks” that are allowed to do supra-constitutional activity, so to speak, in the name of helping, you know, “for the benefit of US citizens.” We have our Department of Defense, our military, which is for national security. We have our, but the State Department and CIA have a much broader mandate. They operate under something called “national interest,” which means if we think it’s good for us, if it helps us economically, then we can do it. We don’t even need a defense justification.

The CIA was created because the State Department needed some sort of cloak-and-dagger mechanism to be able to achieve State Department goals without having State Department fingers on it. This is what the plausible deniability doctrine of the CIA is. They can do all sorts of dirty things. They can blow up a pipeline, they can overthrow a government, they can rig elections, or rig media ecosystems in foreign countries. And there’s no diplomatic blowback because the US government didn’t do it. “It just happened by itself.” But it was happening because it wasn’t really by itself. It was the CIA engaged in these covert actions that range from subterfuge, sabotage, and demolition to corporate espionage.

And that corporate espionage side is where you get to the Burisma story. Burisma was a mostly Russian-dominated private gas company within Ukraine. And Ukraine at the time in 2013-2014, Ukraine was very much split between its Ukrainian half and its Russian half. The country is basically split down the middle in its east-west. This is how the civil war played out when we overthrew the government in 2014, the entire eastern half of the country seceded in a breakaway state and Crimea ended up joining the Russian Federation in a democratic referendum, essentially.

At this point, we descended on… Well, it goes back before that. If you look at Victoria Nuland’s speech in 2013, she talked about how the U.S. State Department provided $5 billion worth of support to the civil society organizations that orchestrated the color revolution there. The right-sector mobs that effectively January Sixed — if you believe the official story — surrounded the parliament building, ran the president out of the country, and installed a new unelected government.

When Victoria Nuland gave that speech about providing financial support to those groups, she was doing it in front of a sign for Chevron and Royal Dutch Shell, which were two of the big oil and gas companies that had each made a $10 billion investment in Naftagaz, which Burisma is the feeder to. These were the major oil and gas companies sponsoring the State Department conference on the coup.” …….

How is it that no one points out the apparent?

1. ALL including the US govt are symbiotic with the globalist elites.

2. Globalists are symbiotic with China as the industrial engine driving global supply chain and therefore global economies and globalist power.

3. Russia and China are closer than allies now.

4. Ergo, all major powers are actually coordinating through back channels, and the apparent conflicts are actually coordinated as well.

5. Conclusion: There will be no WWIII. The current conflicts are being coordinated for various reasons including feeding the MIC, splitting the west and east economies and monetary systems, sinking the US Bloc and raising BRICS+, and keeping the masses in fear.

6. Everything leads to an end state of “multi-polar global governance” with China-Russia leading behind a veil and the US Bloc sunk to vassal states.

SEPTEMBER 14 2024 

US says preparing ‘substantial’ Ukraine aid package in coming weeks

Joe Biden says it is preparing a large aid package for Ukraine in the coming weeks

[…]White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said on Saturday that Washington is working on a “substantial” round of further assistance for Kiev and Biden will meet his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, this month.

“I do think we need a comprehensive strategy for success in this war, and that is what President Zelenskyy says he is bringing,” Sullivan said in remarks delivered via videolink at the Yalta European Strategy conference in Ukraine’s capital.

[…]The White House adviser added that Biden …… is working to put Ukraine in the “best possible position to prevail” during his final months in office.

[…]Meanwhile, NATO Military Committee Chairman Rob Bauer said he supported Ukraine’s use of long-range weapons to strike inside Russia.

“Every nation that is attacked has the right to defend itself. And that right doesn’t stop at the border of your own nation,” the admiral said on Saturday at a committee meeting.

https://dnyuz.com/2024/09/14/us-says-preparing-substantial-ukraine-aid-package-in-coming-weeks/

Reading between the lines, it appears Russia will interpret an attack by NATO missiles as a NATO attack on Russia, requiring a response.

I could see Russia shooting down NATO recon aircraft, or even satellites. Perhaps they’d fire missiles at select NATO bases in Europe. Even bolder, they could fire on bases elsewhere, even the US, although they’d likely keep that as a second phase tactic if NATO ignores the first phase.

I think the neocons have decided to back down from all this. They have lost and they know it. Now it’s the blame game.

SEPTEMBER 14 2024 

KIEV

Victor Pinchuk Foundation

Only Ukraine’s victory can restrain the global escalation of the war

https://pinchukfund.org/en/

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What Stands In the Way of Doing All That‘s Needed? 

David Petraeus, Timothy Snyder, Olha Stefanishyna

The 20th Annual Meeting of Yalta European Strategy (YES) – THE NECESSITY TO WIN was held on September 13 – 14, 2024 in Kyiv.

Panel Discussion “What Stands In the Way of Doing All That‘s Needed”.

Speakers:
— Timothy Snyder, Richard C. Levin Professor of History and Global Affairs, Yale University
— General David Petraeus, Partner and Chairman of the Global Institute, KKR
— Kajsa Ollongren, Minister of Defence of the Netherlands (2022-2024), Member, YES Board
— Annette Kroeber-Riel, Vice President of Government Affairs and Public Policy at Google in Europe
— Olha Stefanishyna, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine – Minister of Justice of Ukraine

The war that Biden thinks he is going to start using Ukraine may not be the war he actually gets.

Worst case scenario:

1. Ensure War with Russia is Declared by mid October.

2. Secretly allow China swallow Taiwan.

3. Secretly allow Iran & Turkey to directly attack Israel.

4. World War 3 irrefutably underway globally now.

5. Anti Trump “RINO’s” & Leftists in Congress grant President New War Powers. Using precedent set in Ukraine & extreme threat of Russian subversion of Voting Systems, temporarily postpone General Elections. (Supported by McConnell & Johnson)

6. Enact an immediate draft. Targeting “MAGA” families with extreme prejudice.

7. Immediately activate Militarized Unified Police Departments, Department of Home Land Security, ATF, FBI, IRS, National Guard & other agencies to round up & imprison/otherwise neutralize MAGA protestors, identifying them as “Russian Assets”

8. DJT “accident” (or outright elimination, it won’t matter at this point.)

9. 12 months, after MAGA voter base is eradicated, hold General Elections with no fear of dissent.

10. American Bolshevik Revolution completed in 12 months, tops.

(As for the 300,000,000 or so guns Americans are said to have, keep in mind Joe Biden’s repeated threats. “We have F-16’s…”)

It would be messy. It would be horrifically bloody, but it could be executed rapidly & when the Left already owns the media, dissent would be quickly silenced.

This should be a fiction movie. But the threat is actually quite real.

Start WW III to stop trump and quickly destroy America before Trump can get back in……stack up on provisions folks TSHTF.

“This is not getting nearly enough attention.” I agree 100% . Its one of two stories that are not receiving any attention. What is really going on in Ukraine and the “proxy” war with Russia and the rigging of the 2024 election. Both IMO are the most important topics facing us today.
Thank you for talking about them both SD, God bless you sir.

Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Hamas can quite easily screw with the US through domestic terrorism. No need for nukes just yet.

Take your pick: power, food, internet

Sir Keir said to non responsive Biden, but it was a good idea at the time now how do we back out without another Afghanistan.

The Pentagon has made clear that they think it would be stupid to give Ukraine these missiles on the grounds that it would achieve nothing of any significance militarily other than threatening to get all of NATO directly involved in a hot war with a nuclear superpower. The neocons are the ones who want these missiles in Ukraine – because they’re idiots – and unfortunately, the neocons always seem to get their way in the end.

For the sake of our country and all of humanity, I hope Trump permanently purges the neocons from from Washington DC. They’ve done more damage to our country than any foreign adversary and their stupidity now really could set events in motion that end in us all getting killed.

The Russian Air Force has over 1,400 bombers and jet fighter aircraft capable of leveling every city in Ukraine in a matter hours.

Our military leaders know that and knows that Russia has deliberately refrained from such destruction which Ukraine and NATO have no means to stop. Ukraine has no airforce and no anti-aircraft systems to speak of yet NATO and the United States seem intent on provoking Russia! Why?

So Canada/lame duck Trudeau and the U.K./Starmer (30% of the voters) is offering their countries as the test Russian target practice for NATO’s first round?
Germany, Poland, and France should push these 2 to the side.
D.C./the State Department (Nuland)/the usual Agencies got this going in 2014 (and before).
There was a lot of bragging about destroying the German/Russian Nord Stream pipeline, but a lot of finger pointing once the dirty deed was done. Why not admit you did it ?
It is a good thing for Russia (and the West) that they have a steady, reasoned Helmsman or our Irrational Western “leaders” would have had us incinerated already.
Ukraine will be a neutral neighbor, by negotiation or blood.
Perhaps the run away, like Afghanistan and Vietnam option is the best option. Reverse gear sometimes is the best and only option.

President Trump says he will put an end to the Ukraine-Russia war as soon as he is elected; he won’t even wait for inauguration.

You know the Obiden Regime is scheming how to keep it going. Obviously escalating it enough to get Putin to declare war on NATO might do the job.

The question is, does Putin have the patience to restrain himself until President Trump is elected? I’d guess that if he’ll be satisfied with the two Russian-speaking provinces and a guarantee of no Ukraine in NATO, he will hold off, figuring that’s what Mr Trump will give him.

Can the Obiden Regime ignore the President-Elect?

Victoria Nuland Installs Zelinsky in 2014, barrack gives Iran 20 billion dollars to fund Russian missles (and Hesbola, Hammas), spineless Mike Pence backs down on 2020 election irregularities, none of this had to happen. Meanwhile, msm deflects with Liz Cheney/James Carville/Barney Sanders/Nicki Haley, (insert meaningless loudmouths here).

This is exactly why Dick Cheney endorsed Harris – never ending wars.

Biden told a reporter to …be quiet while he is speaking. He must be taking lessons from Comela.

What GOD Told Me About WW3!! A Great Turnaround Is Coming!! | Donna Rigney (youtube.com):

“He said “I told you in the past this is not the time for World War Three.” Out of nowhere, He said that to me. …This is going to give you peace: Then He said “I said it and I remind you, so that no matter what you hear. or who says it, if they declare that we are embarking on World War Three, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. My Words are true, theirs are not.”

Good is the Word of the Lord!

They are going to get us nuked or into some barbarous ground war that leads to a draft and many dead or maimed American kids.

“NATO Threatening to Launch Long-Range Missiles into Russia from Ukraine……”

Who, specifically, is the one person within the NATO power structure that wants to do this missile strike? Not a particular nation, but a specific person. There’s always one in every group that will be the first to say “hey, I’ve got an idea, I think we should do “this thing” and like a bunch of bumbling fools, the rest of the group falls in line. Who is that person, and what do they see as a personal gain by invoking this action? That’s the person that we need to make public to halt this nonsense.

combined into one clip for easy listen

Putin clearly said that giving the Ukrainian gangster long range missiles to strike within Russia would be an act of war. An act of war. What part of that wouldn’t be true? So when the Potatus is asked about this, he says, “I don’t think much about Vladimir Putin.” Maybe he should put a little more effort into being president, maybe give it a think next time he’s on the Rehoboth beach.

Buyem and the installed UK puppet are making grand designs ignoring that only congress can declare war on Russia. Not that the idiots wouldn’t do it because they all seem to think their #1 job is propping up Zelensky’s patented democracy. He is a tyrant, ethnically cleansing his country to make it safe for Blackrock to exploit and the war pigs to pull an Afghanistan for the next 20 years costing trillions of dollars. Harassing Russia is a fringe benefit.

Maybe Kamala should campaign on destroying what is left of Western Civilization for Ukraine, or does her New Way Forward not include business as usual in the New Afghanistan.

Putin has his own Afghanistan on his hands. Just do what they did in Afghanistan and withdraw. Have the Russian people voted to be erased along with the rest of the world in a nuclear war? This entire misadventure by Putin needs to be brought to an end. Instead he makes the ridiculous proposal that Ukrainian allies cannot support her. Russia can fire whatever it wants into Ukraine but Ukraine can’t do the same to Russia, how absurd , what hubris. Russia can use weapons from all it’s allies but Ukraine can’t? What delusional attitude. He is bluffing.

This is the same way accidentally WW1 began.
I wish there were a history test that policy leaders were required to take and pass.

Those who failed it would be 99% of the present turds who run things.

Using the logic of NATO, the US and Canada wouldn’t have any concerns if Russia placed their long range, accurate missiles in Cuba. Right? We’re being led by complete fools!

Following Putin’s Warning that Any Attacks in Russia with Western Supplied Missiles will be Treated as an Act of War, NATO Flips

https://sonar21.com/following-putins-warning-that-any-attacks-in-russia-with-western-supplied-missiles-will-be-treated-as-an-act-of-war-nato-flips/

China at our borders, nation full of fighting non-Americans. What’s there to fear? We don’t even have enough weapons thanks to our generous gifts to Ukraine, Afghanistan, and Iran. A government full of thieves and liars. The field is ripe for the picking should a harvest be forced.

The Biden administration is asking Congress for an additional $5.8 billion aid extension for Ukraine to be added to the “continuing resolution” to avoid a government shut down when the new budget year begins on October 1.

“We have $5.9 billion left in Ukraine Presidential Drawdown Authority; all but $100 million of which will expire at the end of the fiscal year,” Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, told The Hill. “The Department will continue to provide drawdown packages in the near future and is working with Congress to seek an extension of PDA authorities beyond the end of the fiscal year.”

“But if that fails, a desperate US Defense Department will look into other options, though it was not reported what those other options would be. A congressional aide told The Hill that there may be some legal challenges in trying to allocate all $5.8 billion at once, as Biden administration lawyers are worried there might not be “an authority to permit transfers of munitions that are not currently in stock, or considered in surplus.”

https://ukrainetoday.org/biden-asks-congress-to-extend-use-of-5-8-billion-for-ukraine-the-hill/

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1811295192567185444

Reminder of NATO doing exactly what they agreed not to do

Trudeau is either completely ignorant or deliberately provoking Russia with his commentary. He is wrong about Russia killing civilians which is what Ukraine has done daily when it shells civilian markets, civilian apartments, and hides its own air defense in civilian areas since 2014. Russia has avoided to an unusual extent the targeting of civilians.

Our government, NATO, UK, EU risk playing “chicken” with Russia over Ukraine because these evil clowns want more profits, more stolen resources, more spending of tax payer money, more money printing, more escalation for their egos.

I condemn anyone who risks my life for their own profits. But, then who in government cares what any ordinary people want? They will go to their bunkers and let the rest of us die.

“Biden and Starmer have started walking things back AFTER Vladimir Putin made his remarks.”

Given the emphasis on the phrase ‘strong position’, I’m guessing their plan is for capitulation, leaving the State Dept and their loyal presstitutes to put lipstick on that pig with tough sounding diplo-speak.

Either way, it’s an answered prayer that they are dialing it back. These twits have no idea how to engage the Russian bear, nor any good reason for doing so.

Giving Zelenskyy the missiles and targeting data needed to use effectively could end up guaranteeing Cuba get filled to the brim with hyper-sonic nuclear missiles, electronic eavesdropping, intelligence centers, ships, troops and agents to enter America and agitate the millions of unhappy “undocumented immigrants” invited in by Joe and the Democrats. When Cuba is full, move on to Mexico, the Central American countries and on to South America. We don’t have a lot of friends South of the border! Putin is smart and strategic; he will not fall for the Rope-a-Dope the Globalists, NATO, Biden etal are trying to get him to bite at. Why turn Russia into a war-torn wreck again, when the populations in the Western nations are ready to tear each other apart in Civil Wars?

The Western World (US, EU) is not going to solve their problems even if they were to steal every bit of Ukraine and Russian wealth, resource and land-mass as Sen Graham advocates. The politicians unending corruption must end themselves for any real change to occur; and I do believe they understand this! It’s why they hate Trump so much!