This is an interesting aspect to the latest school shooting in Georgia, and I’m not sure exactly what to think of this new approach. The father of the 14-year-old shooter Colt Gray, has been arrested and charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced the arrest of Colin Gray, the father of Colt Gray, the 14-year-old boy accused of opening fire at Apalachee High School, resulting in the deaths of four individuals including two students and two teachers.
Colin Gray, aged 54, faces severe charges including four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children, highlighting the escalating scrutiny on parental responsibilities in safeguarding firearms. (more)
Arrest warrants said he caused the deaths of others “by providing a firearm to Colt Gray with knowledge that he was threat to himself and others.”
(Via CNN) – […] “The key issue in the case against the father here will be: recklessness, foreseeability, how he handled the gun in relation to his son,” Toobin told CNN on Thursday night.
Colin Gray could face up to 180 years in prison if convicted on all counts, state Judge Currie Mingledorff said during a Friday hearing.
Central to the case against Gray will be an interaction the father and his son had with law enforcement more than a year before Wednesday’s mass shooting; the teenager’s access to the weapon used in the attack; and what the father knew about the boy’s mental state, experts told CNN, as a portrait of the teenager’s tumultuous family life emerges.
In May 2023, law enforcement questioned Colt and his father about online threats “to commit a school shooting,” the FBI has said. Colt at the time denied making the threats, and his father told authorities his son did not have unsupervised access to hunting guns in the house.
Just seven months later, the suspect’s father purchased the firearm allegedly used in the mass shooting as a holiday present for his son, two law enforcement sources told CNN. The AR-15-style rifle was bought at a local gun store as a Christmas present, one source said. (read more)
On its face, this does seem like the action of a reckless parent in purchasing a firearm for his son just after there was evidence linking the son to online threats of violence. And yes, factually there are several precedents for parents being held criminally responsible for the actions of their minor children. However, I’m not sure about the criminal justice system being consistent and charging a parent with second degree murder.
There are hundreds of non-school fatal shootings that could be tied to the reckless action of parents, either by willful blindness or complicity; some in gang related killings.
Is it just the venue, the school shooting aspect, that suddenly draws the attention toward the father Colin Gray?
What about the youth shootings in Chicago, Los Angeles or Baltimore that are carried out by underage teens and yet the parents are never charged. What happens in those cases.
What are your thoughts about this new accountability model being placed upon the parents?
I doubt they would have arrested the dad but for two things:
1. The in-home visit by law enforcement: Dad was warned. Dad lied. Dad (based on reports) was antagonistic with officers.
2. Dad buys AR15 murder weapon for the killer as a gift less than a year later.
The circumstances matter. For example, the Columbine HS shooters got their guns from a friend who bought the guns for them. She paid civil penalties, but not criminal. Another person sold a gun directly to the killers and he went to prison for 10 years. I don’t know why the girl got off so easily. In any case, as school shootings have continued, there are a lot more warning signs these days that people know are not a joke.
In Georgia, if reports are to be believed, the dad knew his kid had been accused of making specific threats to shoot up a school, antagonized and lied to officers sent to investigate, and apparently bought the murder weapon 7 months later AS A PRESENT.
While I’m generally skeptical about “news reports” and leaked police-only versions of events, if those basic things are true, the dad should be charged as an accessory or accomplice or whatever the proper legal term is.
Agreed. Each case is different.
I would like to know more information… but the 3 points in your 2nd paragraph seem sufficient to charge the father.
1. Was the child on meds?
2. Was he seeing a psychologist?
3. What did his teachers detect? Did they report to the parents any concerns – isolation, agression, other concerning behavior?
4. Did the POLICE tell the school principal that they visited Colts home w/his father present b/c they had evidence that Colt threatened the school?
They could add that Colt denied he made the threat. Still, there was sufficient-enough reason to believe it was Colt. That’s why the police went to his house to put both Colt and his father on notice. IMO the school should have been advised.
Are ANY news reports about this true? Was Colt even the shooter or were dark handlers using this kid to advance the attack on the Second Amendment?
Any photos of Colt at the scene with a gun? The judge did not ask for a plea to be entered…because Colt said to his appointed lawyer that he was not guilty?
Just another operation if you ask me…
There are multiple eye witnesses (students and teachers) to place him (Colt) as the shooter.
Colt admitted guilt to the School Resource Officer(s) who confronted him and stopped the carnage.
Mk ultra’d
I think if you stick your neck out saying you want to be violent online, the feds will arrange for that. I figure you could “brainwash” very easily by impersonating a like-minded peer who encourages the violent ideology to come out.
Mk ultra never ended, it simply went darker. And humans are extremely easy to brainwash. Bc of our instincts for social inclusion, we are all susceptible to this type of manipulation from a friend or friends we meet online. Even more so for kids who are socially excluded irl.
Well… I do believe that it’s established that Colt is the shooter. I believe he was arrested at the school. Kids can identify him too.
But… I also believe that a pattern exists for these school shootings… and this one occurred right b4 the debate and the election and KH … NEEDS an issue to run on.
Does the CIA (others) have the ability to trigger a person via drugs or some other brainwashing techniques? Yes. They do have that technology/ability.
Did they do it? I dont know. Maybe.
The TIMING is simply too politically advantageous for KH/dems.
They have no issues to run on except abortion fear. Now they can add another one- gun control and use the suffering families as their props… AND it’s GEORGIA… a possible swing state that dems want.
One thing that makes me question everything here is the speed at which it’s all happening. Since when do we have accountability happening this quickly to anyone who actually did bad things? And how come we are flooded with information about this guy but it’s pulling teeth to find out anything about the shooter at the Christian school, or the guy who (allegedly…) shot President Trump? I mean, both of those are (allegedly) dead now so it’s not invading their privacy or anything.
And bringing the guy’s father into the case – just seems like a bread-and-circuses attempt to get American bloodlust for wrongdoers focused somewhere else than the actual wrongdoers.
And the shooter is white. I don’t believe in coincidences. End
I agree with the timing but that shouldn’t imply this event didn’t occur. The media was simply told to make this rather pedestrian school shooting the headline.
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Circumstances should always matter but more importantly, the factual truth about all of the circumstances has to be determined beyond – and entirely clear of – any biased or subjective assessments or findings. This has become extremely difficult in the current highly charged & politicized environment.
Unfortunately, recent history and many people’s experiences have indicated that we can no longer accept FBI’s or most law enforcement’s word at face value. LEA’s & LEO’s credibility has been damaged too frequently and this makes it even more important for the public to wait to know the unaltered facts of each case before rendering judgment in the form of opinions.
Agree
Not really liking the the “AR15 murder weapon” part. A weapon is a weapon, not one is made for murder.
What is it that you believe the father lied about?
The kid was either 13 or 14 at the time he got the AR-15-type Christmas present.
Perhaps a fishing rod would have been a better gift?
Looks like Mom had no say that mattered in the decision.
This stupidity just encourages those that want to take away guns.
Places change. His part of Georgia probably isn’t as remote & open as it once was when when Colin Gray was just turning 14.
So no doubt you really have a problem with the likely millions of fathers who buy their sons guns at much earlier stages in their lives, take them hunting or to the target range, teach them gun safety, how to shoot, and care for their guns? Then there are all of the daughters that are taught the exact same things (quite common in the country). Heaven forbid that they should be able to defend themselves, especially in the world in which we live today – where the urban areas are THE most dangerous and where such skills are even more important.
No, what is stupid is not teaching your children the knowledge and skills that they need.
And your forgot the biggest reason of all. They are white. We all KNOW it.
Parents have always supposedly been responsible for our children’s welfare, education and actions until eighteen. But some how they were shuffled off to war at that same magical age with a gun but unable to buy cigarettes or spirits. Now we send them to school to be indoctrinated unbeknownst to us. They are told they are not the sex they are and need to have surgeries and take drugs to suppress their real genders whether we parents know or agree or not. Yet here we are, prosecuting a parent for something the kid did??? Once more the hypocrisy of the left is actually undefinable.
If this results in a conviction I see it going the SCROTUS and being overturned.
No. SCOTUS will not touch this one with a ten-foot pole. The kid is obviously on his way to “transitioning”. Because of his dysfunctional home life and probably bullying baggage, he has more screws loose than a hardware store in an earthquake. That being said, if he was “on the radar” of the Famous But Incompetent, I smell a set-up. Read Matt Bracken’s short story: PROFESSOR RAOUL X. These loons are trolled by operatives to serve the Leviathan’s corrupt agenda. Bleib ubrig.
Hopefully RFK Jr will be able look into the effect of mass, long-term inoculations of school children on the advent of mass shootings in schools.
When did mass inoculations start?
What was added to the “required” list of inoculations? When? Why?
What other medications became commonplace for treating school children? When? Why?
When did mass school shootings start?
Were shooters heavily inoculated as children? On other meds?
I think we’ll see that drugging our children for whatever reasons, and the increased drugging over time, preceded the onset of school shootings.
[FYI – Semiautos have been sold to civilians for over a century. The Colt Model 1911 .45, various rifles by Remington, Savage and others are among the semiautomatics available to civilians for years].
I agree with everything you wrote, but will add one major factor. The IC looks for these exact types of possible shooters for the MK Ultra program.
Yes. RFK Jr… has done a lot of research. It’s not just or even definitely inoculations.
Many kids are on ADD meds and depression meds too.
Lots of problems w/our over processed foods… and kids lunches are pretty over-processed.
Social media, violent movies, gaming and music that promote gun violence do affect children’s minds. And, our public/govt schools are engaged in a lot indoctrination that can be validly viewed as child abuse too… and reckless lousy parents. It’s the perfect storm.
RFK Jr… told a story from his childhood. He said in middle school they had rifle clubs and kids brought their rifles to school. There were no school shootings… until about the mid/late-1990s. Now these mass shootings occur pretty frequently.
These shootings do not occur frequently.
Divide the number of schools by the number of mass shootings but be careful which numbers you use for “mass shootings”.
The vast majority of shootings are gangbangers shooting gangbangers. This case is just too perfect for the gun grabbers. This has the look of a construct.
Take a look into the Smith Mundt Modernization Act of 2012. This was passed several months before Sandy Hook.
It would appear that this change in government propaganda rules would allow a fake shooting event to be legal.
They occur fairly frequently. There have been 26 school shootings this year that resulted in injuries or deaths, according to an Education Week analysis. There have been 208 such shootings since 2018. There were 38 school shootings with injuries or deaths last year. There were 51 in 2022, 35 in 2021, 10 in 2020, and 24 each in 2019 and 2018.
Here’s the criteria they use:
Reported incidents where a firearm was discharged
Where any individual, other than the suspect or perpetrator, has a bullet wound resulting from the incident
Occurred on K-12 school property or on a school bus
Occurred while school is in session or during a school-sponsored event
Read behold a pale horse by William Cooper. He predicted it all.
Behold a pale horse predicted all this way before columbine. The book is by William cooper
Eroding away gun rights like what they did to the Michigan shooters parents. I suspect from now on they will be charging parents of shooters regardless of where the gun came from.
If a parent knows that a child may be a threat to others, yet provides a weapon to accomplish the potential threat, or otherwise enables the child to have unsupervised access to firearms, I don’t see how that parent is not culpable. Even if the child is not necessarily a threat to anyone, anyone who enables anyone to obtain a firearm should consider age, competence in handling firearms, and known or well considered character as primary factors in whether unsupervised access is appropriate. Many adults lack factors that make it wise for anyone to enable their access, while many children, duly trained, have the necessary factors, some even having saved their families from criminal attack. However, skill and character are extremely important to carefully evaluate, more than age.
Only if they are white…
Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.
The kids had supposedly made threats of violence. The 14 year old isn’t going to admit he did so to the police. He’s going to deny it.
dad knew that there might be a chance (or maybe Dad knew more). Buying him a rifle sounds more like an invitation to act on what he may have (or what he denied doing). If Dad had rifles, the kid could have used one of those rifles for great father/son bonding while Dad taught him proper gun handling and care.
Dad is certainly an accomplice.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
There’s not a state in America that allows a kid to “own” a gun.
Just a about everybody I know has bought their kid a gun. The parent owns the gun. It’s a figure of speech to say it’s his or her gun.
My parent (single) bought my first gun (.22 single shot) when I was 6 years old. We called it my gun but legally it was my mother’s gun.
I walked to the woods alone, several blocks, and past my elementary school with a pump shotgun when I was 13 years old.
My God, I had no clue how naive most Americans are about guns.
And being an AR-15 .223 calibre is irrelevant (It’s not much different than a kids .22 long rifle semi-auto) The same damage could have been done with a single shot shotgun with a little practice loading.
(With practice it can be done very quickly.)
The worst school shooting in America was VirginA Tech(?). Asian student with a .22 CALIBRE PISTOL!
This country is in trouble if people are this ignorant.
Its a tragic situation the boy sounds like he had emotional if not physical as ive read from Mother, she has a history of crime, drugs, recently seperated. i think the boy if trans fits all the reasons, if not fits a very disturbed family what chance to the kids have? IF the boy wasnt a boy boy, probly dad ws upset, tried to get him more manly hunting/guns? In the pic of the Boy and his Deer, hes not hovering like normal people hes pulled away. So i can see so many reasons, i think the charges are over the top for Dad, he should be charged but not that extent as you say others have done same or worse. Hes the example now. The Police/FBI should have dogged him. Now Corey will spend his life in jail when he had no close to normal Childhood. Sure not every Kid raised like that Kills, but they are the ones laying on the street from Drugs, or the Only Fan Girls, or Alcoholics. And its going to get worse, Come Lord Jesus Come
i apologize i said wrong name, Colin is what i should have said
Agree. I observed that in the photos he looked as though this was just another performative task that had to be done. Thought the other things you expressed as well.
Trans isn’t real…its BS.
Why is a 14 year old child being charged with murder as an adult? Like , immediately. There is no way a 14 year old is an adult. Maybe 16, and definitely 18. I can see him sent to an institution for the criminally insane for life, which perhaps he is, but death? That is unseemly. I am sorry, but this is a child.
I agree. The 17 year old who try to rob the NFL player’s Rolex in San Fransisco and instead shot him in the chest, is being held as a juvenile with zero photos. This makes no sense Dad is overcharged but he allegedly Tod cops his son was being bullied for being gay…that would be a clue…
One is white and the other is not. End
I have heard life in prison w/o parole but no mention of death…
The judge said death was a possibility.
I thought I heard that the judge came back and said the death penalty was off the table because of his age.
There is no death penalty for a 14 year old in Georgia. The judge made a mistake and later corrected himself.
Mention Death to the little shit, and watch the explanations/excuses flow…
Agreed. Colt should not be tried as an adult. He is certainly a child.
At 14, you know not to kill. He isn’t mentally retarded.
14 year olds were Kings in an earlier time.
14 year olds fought with Washington against fascists British soldiers.
What’s missing here in your logic ?
Re “14 year olds were Kings in an earlier time.”
There have never been enough kings, much less 14-year-old ones for that to be a consideration in a discussion of what is or should be acceptable or commonplace today. Yes, that happened but it was not the norm. When it did, it was usually in name only, kinda like Joe Biden being ‘president’, ya know…
Re “14 year olds fought with Washington against fascists British soldiers.”
Fought with? Yes, that happened but again, it was not commonplace. Do you really want the same standards to apply today? You would willingly send your 14-year-old son to war? What about the fact that until the mid-1700s, 13-year-old girls getting married and having children was commonplace and acceptable? In your opinion, a majority of today’s 13-year-old girls should be allowed to do the same?
Yes, George Washington’s band of brothers came in all ages, from young boys to old men. The majority of them, however, were between 18-24. Younger boys usually worked as messengers, water carriers, and drummers.
Re “What’s missing here in your logic ?”
What’s missing in yours is the fact that both peoples and times change; and along with them, so does the logic of continuing to do things the same way.
The last time Britain came close to having a new monarch subject to a regency because of age was when Victoria ascended to the throne. If her predecessor, King William, had died before her 18th birthday Victoria would have begun her reign under a regency. A regent would have been the person making the decisions, along with a council.
14 year old kings or queens would almost without exception have not ruled on their own.
Re “14 year old kings or queens would almost without exception have not ruled on their own.”
Exactly. Thank you for confirming my point and for the additional details.
Tell the victims’ families that this murderer is only a child.
Thoughts? Very slippery slope.
Yes. Slippery slope- each case’s facts create precedent… and those facts/grounds usually expand over time, case after case.
2A advocates, with firearm experience, need to do more, take the lead in figuring out a solution that is not banning guns. Don’t let the left/dems control this issue.
This incident will likely now be one of the Trump/KH debate questions too.
Banning guns isn’t the answer. Trump hopefully will say more than I support 2A and we should arm teachers. Hopefully, address the CAUSE.
What is the cause of this change in our society?
Bring up that schools used to have rifle clubs and kids brought their guns to school and there was never for many decades a school shooting. What changed?
Maybe say… we can’t ignore the fact that our kids minds are inundated with violence – gaming, movies, music… and no moral/ethics teaching in the public schools anymore… and many kids are on drugs… and lots of poisons/chemical in our food supply.
How are all these things affecting the mind and healthy development of our children?
Trump could say he will setup a commission to investigate all of these cumulative causes of so much violence in our society today. We need to protect our children. We need to help them.
Bobby has a lot STATS he knows off the top of his head. Provide them to Trump for the debate.
Gun control will definitely be a debate question now.
Oh we have solutions…armed vets and off duty LEO for one in schools….but see if that gets allowed.
Kare you are part of the issue here.
SHALL. NOT. BE. INFRINGED. Full stop.
Stop letting your emotions rule your common sense.
If charges were handed down to all responsible ‘adults’ in this country, damn, traffic would be a whole lot lighter.
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This shooting incident is tragic to all involved and I do not minimize it. However, does anyone think it curious how the “state” exerts authority over that of the parents to hide transexual behaviors, to provide abortions, and other activities; and the parents seemingly have no rights?
Yet when the “state” looks into a potential crime and determines no problem, the parents are subsequently hung out to dry because they should have known and such. How is this justice?
This shooter was evidently expressing trans behaviors and was mentally ill. Were SSRI drugs involved which can create homicidal behaviors as a side effect???
Does a parent who permits their child to legally drive a car subsequently get held liable both criminally and civilly should the child get into a traffic crash and harming or killing another?
Just an observation.
And now, Kentucky joins the fray. Look for more of this.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/breaking-active-shooter-numerous-people-shot-interstate
It is easy to judge his case on the basis of the facts we know; not so easy to judge based on what we do not know, such as what was really going through the mind of Colin Gray in regard to his son? Now I will probably be judged for my own parenting skills ( a word I use judiciously because none of us knows how to parent anybody else; we wing it as we go, we learn on the job, and we pray a lot; at least I did.) We went through quite a time with our younger son in his early teen years. He was lively, curious, very bright, not too keen on school, but began working from age 15 as a computer programmer in summers and p/t during the school year. He could be counted on not to do anything wrong; but was very stubborn and if he didn’t want to do something, there was no getting him to do it. He had a temper, but managed to keep it in check. He used to like to go exploring in the woods and bought himself a large hunting knife. He loved animals and did not hunt. But I suspect he liked wearing that knife to impress other kids. Should I have let him have it? Probably not. But I kept a very close watch on him and how he was handling himself and having that knife and using it responsibly (that is, not using it; just wearing it) was something I felt he could do and somehow needed to do. We had a good relationship and yes, I prayed a lot about that child. He grew up to be a fine, responsible citizen. He was not at all interested in school, and ultimately dropped out at the end of his junior year; but he is very well-read, self-educated, and worked his way up, ultimately becoming the manager of software programming for a large company (He’s now in his 40s). OK. I tell all of this to say as much as I did not think my son would ever harm another human being (or animal) with that knife, what if I had been wrong and he did the unthinkable? And there, but for the grace of God, go I in the way of Colin Gray. Using my best instincts as a mother and praying my way through the raising of my child, still…our situation could have gone another way and I would be in prison today because of it. I just cannot judge parents of teenage children because who — from the outside — really knows what goes on in their minds and in their relationship or on what basis they make the decisions they make?
A paragraph or 2 might have given your post more attention.
Write well, or don’t write, please.
And sadly it is telling that at one point in your post you write “that child”
You obviously had lost control by that time…
And I imagine you feel some guilt as a result…
I should just pass off your remarks as those of an ignorant critic. But I have decided such a thoughtful post as yours deserves an equally thoughtful reply. I do suggest that if you don’t like a post one would assume you would know it after the first sentence or two and would read no further. That you chose to read it is on you, Rick. I’m not sure why you felt it necessary to criticize my writing and me personally. Could it be that you are projecting your own feelings? Anyway, golly gee whiz I’m sorry you don’t think I write well. Plenty of people do. I am a writer and have had several stories published and plays produced and each received awards. I still call my boys my ‘children’ and they are 40 and 50. You must not have children if you actually believe a parent can “control” a teenager’s every move. I feel no guilt whatsoever as my “children” have turned out very well, we all love each other and at my age, especially, (8th decade) I am very grateful for their help. I wish you the same success in life as we have experienced. p.s as for the “attention” my post received, I can’t help but notice it has 8 upvotes where as yours has 0. 🙂
I thought you wrote very well and was honestly puzzled by his criticism so I reread both posts.
I still don’t get it. I suppose he doesn’t understand what good writing is and confuses that with adherence to rules of grammar or punctuation. We can all use occasional editing but that is really a different thing than good writing.
Thanks for your support, Jazzbogie. I was shocked by his comment. People on CTH are not normally rude to each other like that. Having slept on it, though, I see what he means. Paragraphing, even though contrary to grammatical usage, is desired here for ease of readability. I’ll keep that in mind for future posts 🙂
Bro, just use proper posting etiquette. Please.
OK. I get it now. Sorry. I’m used to the rules of good writing and only now realize the rules of readable posting trump the former. I promise I will do better for my fellow CTH commentators from now on.
It does make for easier reading to have paragraph breaks.
Thank you.
Just skip those one paragraph rants – not worth the headache
I’m sorry it seemed like a rant to you. My intention was not that at all, but to share a personal story showing how a parent might appear negligent when he may not be at all.
With these kinds of arrests, all parents are now subject to this kind of kneejerk reaction called justice.
Still, I appreciate Rick’s and your comments.
Rude though they may be, I have now learned to leave spaces after every few sentences so that readers may rest their eyes periodically <3
Thank you.
Have a blessed day!
Are you aware of the fact that this website’s original claim to fame was revealing that almost everything the media initially reported about the Treyvon Martin case was a lie?
A media blitzkrieg crafted by a public relations firm hired by the parent’s lawyer.
I was here long before that. There was also a girl who got burned alive by some gang members that never got charged that I remember – but i was here well before that too. Can’t remember why I liked this site back in 2011. Can’t believe it’s been 13 plus years.
I became aware of CTH just before the Treyvon Martin case. As Hanslee says below, I, too, began posting on the case where the girl was burned alive by gang members.
Not sure what this website’s original claim to fame has to do with paragraphing for readability, but rest assured, I get it now.
As evidenced by this lovingly paragraphed post <3
p.s. I’ve always gotten a kick out of how serious topical discussions on CTH sometimes devolve into stupid off-topic nitpicking like this one, generated as it was by the paragraphing police. So while this has been fun, and after having just read the brilliant Clarice’s Long Paragraphs on American Thinker, I shall indeed keep in mind something I learned as an editor for a textbook publisher long ago:
To ensure saleability, college textbooks are put through a readability scale and must all be dumbed down for the reading level of the general public, which is to say: 6th grade level.
Yeah. Can’t wait to se the impact this has on crime when we expand to single urban mothers and the activities of their 14 year old sons.
Fathers need to also be held accountable.
Not just the mothers.
Regardless of whether or not the men choose to leave the mother and children.
Oh child, the Gaffer speaks to fatherless feral miscreants that need to be incarcerated for life and the moms held to same standard as this father if that is where we are going.
i don’t like it.
son commits the crime.
son should be held accountable.
this seems like a way to do a gun grab.
whats next…go after the guy who sold it to the dad?
or the company who made it?
i don’t believe the dad knew this would happen.
and i don’t believe ANYTHING the media reports or what the fbi says about this.
just looking at it…this is a way to confiscate guns.
just my opinion.
The Lord says he will not visit the iniquity of the sons on the fathers…or the sins of the fathers on the sons…they each are to be held accountable.
i don’t think the dad should be charged.
just my opinion.
This has to be a setup. Who buys their bozo son so much as a semi automatic Pez dispenser after LE comes to visit for threatening a school shooting?
Christmas would have been cancelled for a few seasons around my house of I had to answer the door to agents looking for my fruitcake kid!
Great question about the “birth givers” in Chiraq, ATL, or Baltimore being on the hook for their progeny with the Glock Switches and extended magazines, pumping that dope for Uncle Cartel.
The same entity that bought the Uvalde “shooter” two high end Daniel’s Defense law enforcement model AR-15’s (have to be an employed cop to purchase) at over $2,000 each.
Shooter a homeless kid sleeping in grandparents living room and working part time at Burger King.
Guns purchased the day the kid became old enough to legally purchase a gun.
Narcissist ,sociopaths and psychopaths’
Democrats is what I call ’em!
Not anywhere near enough information to make a sane reply.
The state intends to control children. Arresting the parents for for the crimes of the children dovetails into that.
Yes to this. I was searching for information about law in Washington State as to kids being given puberty blockers at age 13 without parent notification. Hard to find information without a lot of “in some cases…”, “most of the time…”, etc.
But I did find something about “emancipated” children being able to do any medical treatment they wanted without parent’s knowledge. It said a 13 yr. old could be emancipated by ruling of a judge. A 13 yr. old cannot even drive, let alone be old enough to make life-changing medical decisions.
It also said a 13 yr. old might be allowed puberty blockers if he was deemed a “mature” 13 yr. old or something. By whom I am not sure, I think a doctor.
Bottom line you are right – the state does intend to control (and own) our children.
This is downright serious demonic evil.
The FBI knew about his online threats a year ago, even made a visit.
I wonder if this fella made new glow in the dark online friends in the months afterward.
Seems like another political prosecution, an overcharge.
The dad is guilty at some level, of a crime, depending on the level of unsupervised access his son had to the firearm. For (an imperfect) example, I bought my son a beat up dirt bike when he was 8 or 9, but my son was only on it under direct supervision. He wasn’t out driving DUI on a Saturday night, killing some pedestrians in the process of having his fun. However, I GAVE my son the booze and knowing allowed him to go out past midnight on the weekend, I’m culpable, because neither the booze nor the motorcycle where lawful for a 9 year old boy.
In that example, the father would be guilty of perhaps the booze, but not the bike, since there’s no law about selling (or gifting) a vehicle to a underage driver.
We are a land of lawfare, with Constitutional justice and the Bill of Rights, long gone. Would parents of a son or daughter of a member of the elite be so charged? You KNOW that they would not.
The father may be legitimately guilty of a crime or crimes, but not those that he was charged with. The prosecutor wanted something more “sexy” for the media (not to mention, his/her career advancement).
It is telling that federal prosecutors have a high rate of “successful” convictions.
A plea deal often means a case lacking enough evidence for a clear conviction never goes before a Judge and Jury.
Worse, the prosecutor would know the defendent(s) would not have unlimited financial resources to duke it out in the courtroom. The process is more often than not the punishment. Plead guilty to X charge, or we’ll ruin you, both your reputation and financially.
Pops had me work on potato farms to pay for my dirt bike(s).
Any damage wrought on a neighbors property meant a possible beating and definite restriction from telephone, television, and dirt bike only to go to school, work and football practice and back home again.
Not to mention restitution in the form of labor at the neighbors. Scenarios like that didn’t happen, often.
I got my first rifle at 9 which was only handled under Pops scrutiny. There was zero fooling around.
I will bet my milk money Colts Dad is a registered Democrat.. Main reason being if he were a Trump Supporter, that would be all we heard about like Ethan Crumbley’s parents.
I would not be confused by the issue of “are the parents responsible?”
School shootings and other mass shootings we know have the following in common:
The goal is to destroy the 2nd amendment to the Constitution.
Also there is a mass shooting event before every election, according to Laura Loomer’s post on X.com.
Those in control of our government cannot get full control unless they disarm the citizens. Thus to them it is URGENT to make the people feel “guns” are the problem.
Similarly, those who are eugenicists, who believe the world has too many people in it, have decided that Climate Change is a good vehicle to use to get rid of human beings: after all, they believe it is HUMAN action that causes “global warming.” The enemy are human beings.
This is all about trying to convince Americans that gun ownership is responsible for too many deaths. This is laughable coming from the same people that are attempting to depopulate the globe using a fake “vaccine” that is really a deadly poison. And the same people are working on a plan for nuclear war. These are evil satanists and should never be listened to.
Everything they project onto us they have already done and are planning to continue to do.
The father is caucasien.
I received my first gun at 8 years old. That said, it may have been mine, but I didn’t have unsupervised possession until 16. At that point I had proven myself to be responsible enough to handle a gun. I believe this is a tragedy, mistakes made, but the father suffers the guilt of that. You would have to prove the father somehow encouraged his son or was aware of his son’s actions. Dog owners can be held responsible for their dogs actions, if you can prove negligence to stop the dog, or prove the owner provoked the dog. Training is important for children and dogs. Unfortunately, poor parenting is not a crime…
It’s a figure of speech to say it was your gun. Legally it was your parents gun until you reached the legal age to own a firearm.
This has never been an issue in America. Almost everybody I know received a gun as a kid.
If a kid does not handle guns at an early age they typically will never develop an interest and not care about the 2nd amendment.
The ‘Powers that Be’ will be well aware of this.
I would say it’s a long game strategy but they seem desperate to outlaw the AR-15 platform as soon as possible.
It truly is the best for self defense at a distance or close up.
So obviously, it’s also good for offense.
I suspect many of the charges against the father will be dropped before he pleads to something like reckless endangerment. I think the initial charges are part of a plan to put parents on notice of their potential criminal responsibility because they are the people in the best position to intervene with kids before these mass killings (4 people killed in 24 hours or less).
There may also be an effort afoot to change the narrative away from the “FBI let another one kill on their watch” story line. I expect a few of these cases will go to the Supreme Court on the constitutionality of holding the parent responsible for murder at the same time as trying the kid as an adult for the same murders. Of course, 2 people can be convicted of murdering the same person, but this situation has a twist. One person charged with murder is claimed to have directly effecting the murders and the other is being charged with having derivative liability. If I was dad’s lawyer, I’d argue that either the son is competent or he isn’t. If he isn’t, why are they trying him as an adult? If he is, why isn’t the whole murder responsibility on the kid? If the kid is responsible, Dad should only be leave for recklessly endangering others or at most reckless indifference manslaughter.
If the shooter had been 35 years old, his father bought him a hunting rifle even though he had shown a propensity toward violence and the 35 year old shot up a movie theater, would they both be charged with murder? I doubt it. If the kid here is really to be treated as an adult, how is this different from a 35 year old shooter?
A strategy that might be at play may be to throw the book at dad in case the attempt to try the son as an adult doesn’t succeed. Dont all shout me down at once, but I feel sorry for this kid. He was old enough to understand what he was doing, but we don’t know if he was “all there” emotionally or intellectually. If he wasn’t, maybe prosecutors are hoping this will shake out where the son is tried as a juvenile (followed by public outcry) and so the dad will do the long sentences so the families and public feel like they got their pound of flesh.
Obviously, there may be an anti-gunner political agenda at work here too.
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Surprised the wife, and shooter’s mother, was also not arrested. After all, she had to have been aware of the danger her son posed and the enabling her husband was doing. That’s how it works now right?
SEPTEMBER 07 2024
JUST IN: The mother of Apalachee school sh**ter Colt Gray called the school on the morning of the sh**ting, warning them of an “extreme emergency.”
According to WaPo who obtained text messages, the mother appeared to have advanced warning of what was happening.
“I was the one that notified the school counselor at the high school,” a text message from Marcee Gray to her sister read.
“I told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go immediately and find [my son] to check on him.”
A call log shows that Marcee Gray had a 10-minute phone call with the school just 30 minutes before the tragedy unfolded.
“A counselor told Gray during the call that her son had been talking about a school sh**ting that morning,” the WaPo reported.
The school then looked for Gray but there was confusion between Gray and another student with a similar name.
The administrator left the classroom after neither student was present
The sh**ting happened moments later.
Odd how recently that the parents reach out just before the shooting happens.
That’s very good to know; wonder how the gap of time between her call and the event was not able to stop it before happening. Good for her.
Wondering if the administrator put the school on lock down before heading out to hunt down Gray?
Long overdue
Question: Is it legal for a 14yr old to own a AR 15 styled rifle?
Do people shoot deer with AR 15 rifles? Sounds a little strange to me.
Remember, AR is just brand name acronym. I’m not hugely knowledgeable, but I think its just a rifle like many others. Maybe a bit more high tech.
AR is just a scary initial for the narrative creators…assault rifle is much more scary than ArmaLite.
You can hunt with an AR-15 in some places, not that it is recommended with one chambered in .223/5.56.
Better with a .308, .30-06, etc to drop the deer with a single shot to the vitals than having to track a wounded deer. Or so I’ve heard from more prolific deer hunters.
350 Legend, 300 blackout, and .223 is fine with right bullet for smaller southern deer.
Noted.
Maine whitetail deer are not as small as some I’ve seen farther south.
It doesn’t pay to be very tall with so much under brush and low hanging oak limbs with a rack of antlers to account for..
Tracking a wounded deer is no fun. It gives you more time to think that you made a bad single shot and caused suffering. Anyone who eats meat, and didn’t kill it him/her/etc-self should understand that someone killed that animal for you.
Being a precise hunter is both a science and and art. But it’s also a culture in the American south. You don’t get props for a bad shot. If you get a doe instead of a buck at the wrong time of year, it’s also a demerit. The blooding of the hunter after the first kill is traditional. In a way it SHOULD be done, to drive home the responsibility. This kid had a couple light streaks under his eyes …. so his dad didn’t bathe him in it. Some families rub it all over you, sometimes a little in the mouth. Residents of Mississippi, Alabama, etc. know what I mean. I’ve seen comments of the similar “first-blood” ritual in the UK.
But traditional southern rifle hunters use a single-shot, bolt-action rifle. It’s the fair way to go because deer have acute hearing, and if you miss the first shot, it’ll be gone by the time you reload (one shot at a time, then a mechanical process, like Oswald’s rifle). Using anything with a magazine, like an AR, etc., is consider “fair,” but it works if you don’t want to take the time to become a good marksman.
The general consensus I’ve heard for years is that a .243 is the best round for southern deer. I remember getting a “through and through” with a higher caliber and I felt like dog-doo.
This is the point I’m crawling toward: in the dad, from the video and transcript I’ve seen, I see an honest attempt to make a hunter out of his son. Looks like maybe the son was doing it to please Dad. The light blooding may reflect that.
That said, a certain breed of hunter hunts dirty,” in which it’s OK to use a magazine to take multiple shots, instead of waiting patiently for hours, often in bitter cold, and trying to get one good shot, having a multi-shot magazine does take a lot of the sport out of it.
If the family processes the deer, distributes the meat, then I’m OK with a CLEAN (quick) kill. Venison is lean, tasty and healthy. I wish I could buy it at the market. Deer are more overpopulated than some may think, in certain areas.
So as to the dad’s culpability, it’s going to come down to whether he bought another gun to help his son hunt “dirty,” or what the motivation was. From the photos, it doesn’t seem like the kid was totally thrilled with the deer kill.
Just being clinical. This stuff is going to go to a jury for the father – Kind of a groundbreaking case.
Prayers and peace to the families of the injured and passed. This kind of stuff didn’t used to happen. I don’t think it’s so much the gun, as what happened to that kid’s mind.
RFK, Jr may end up being of good help here. If my classmates good carry guns to school on racks in their pickups and this never happened, then the gun debate looks like a distraction. Serious study needs doing on these kids.
Long, but sincere comment. I’m so sorry for everyone involved.
“This kind of stuff didn’t used to happen. I don’t think it’s so much the gun, as what happened to that kid’s mind.
RFK, Jr may end up being of good help here. If my classmates good carry guns to school on racks in their pickups and this never happened, then the gun debate looks like a distraction. Serious study needs doing on these kids.”
Exactly right. The problem isn’t the weapon of choice…does it matter if the killer chooses to use an AR 15, a 38, or a machete? The real question is:
what in the hell is wrong with these kids?
Correction – using a magazine rifle is NOT considered “fair”
Yes to q. one, (he cannot purchase). See Kyle Rittehouse!
Yes to q. two, it is a fine hinting weapon with right ammo and set up. Especially for sneaky peaking through the wood. I have a “scary looker” in 350 Legend that I hope is dynamite in the deer woods.
Did our colonial father use their muskets to hunt?
No it is not legal for a kid to own any gun.
After the alleged Parkland shooting the governor of Florida raised the age to own a riffle from 18 to 21.
To own a pistol minimum age 21 nationwide.
So it’s a figure of speech for a parent to say it’s the kid’s gun. Legally it is not.
It’s never been an issue in America. It’s been a tradition since 1776 for parents to buy their kids a gun.
Got my first at age six years old. I believed it was mine but legally it couldn’t be until I turned 18.
Remember that when Paul Revere said the “British are coming “, they were coming to disarm the colonists.
Florida also has a law that if a minor (under 18) lives in the residence all guns must be secured with a lock. And every new gun comes with a trigger lock.
The dad knows too much so they puttin an insurance policy on his head to keep his trap shut. He’ll walk but will never divulge what he really knows.
I smell a rat. There’s a long game in the works here with the intent of intimidating good, responsible parents , including, hunters, ranchers, and farmers, as well as many city dwellers who want their kids to learn responsible firearm ownership, from providing their kids with one. When I was a senior in high school in a rural Colorado town, back in 1971, the ranch kids would drive their trucks to school every day and leave their rifles in their gun racks inside their trucks. No one thought anything of it and NOTHING ever happened. Leftists never do anything that sounds slightly reasonable without an ulterior motive.
We had hunting rifles and shotguns in racks in our pickups on school property in the early 90s in SE Idaho.. Never an issue until Columbine.
If he did threaten to shoot school, why wasn’t he expelled?
Does this school district participate in Obama’s Promise program?
Georgia is overwhelming Black so it probably does participate!
“(Via CNN) – […] “The key issue in the case against the father here will be: recklessness, foreseeability, how he handled the gun in relation to his son,” Toobin told CNN on Thursday night.
Via CNN. Why publish anything from liars? For one thing, don’t we know by now that whatever they (MSM) say others do its really what THEY do? Its the FBI that should be charged with 4 murders because they knew what was going to happen when they interviewed FAM a year ago. This is a false flag, charade, you name it. And all to promote dual agenda of killing 2A and LGBT whatever nonsense.
My gut feeling is that this new approach is only going to apply to certain demographic groups…
Not the beasts of the inner cities eh?
Pray tell — what consequences will the family of Trump’s assassin face?
Surely the injured victims could bring civil suits against the father? And no doubt the FBI, SS, and associated agencies will do all in their power to assist?
Great Question. Not a peep have we heard about their responsibility. It was said they called LE, before the shooting but that was stuffed so far down the memory hole, it has never been brought up at all.
But he was of age to have a gun, unlike the 14yr old.
Under these interpretations of application of law…there are hundreds of imams that should be charged with complicity to murders by their devout followers.
There are no coincidences anymore – probably never has been concerning the IC and deep state. Whether its mass shootings or withdrawal from Afghanistan, assassination attempts, or car “accident” fatalities of those fighting for children’s causes. They look at the deaths of children as collateral damage. It makes me sick.
Mother of suspected gunman called Apalachee High School with warning before shooting, aunt saysThe mother of the teenager suspected of killing four people during a Georgia school shooting called to warn a school counselor prior to the shooting, the gunman’s aunt said Saturday.
Marcee Gray described an unspecified “extreme emergency” involving her 14-year-old son Colt during a Wednesday morning call to the school, sometime before the shooting began, Gray’s sister Annie Brown told the Washington Post and later confirmed to CNN.
Is this a slippery slope? “Providing a firearm when he knew the person was a risk to others.” When will MAGA (or any group that goes against the powers that be) be called a risk to others and be put on a list. And for us to be armed would be considered dangerous…and those who helped us acquire guns would be at risk of jail.
The parents are the primary educators of the children. But I believe this is a new way for the anti-2nd amendment villains to crush more and more people. It puts fear into every parent who has a child who enjoys hunting.
What we are witnessing is an expansion of guilt based on relationships, even if the involved party has little to do with it.
If my patient overdosed on the pain medicine I prescribed for the surgery, even when patient signed for directions, am I guilty of murder?
The parent bought his gun for hunting animals, not people. And while the child is a minor, mental illness onset and consequences are not a parents fault.
I am open to correction.
I agree to an extent – I seriously doubt any person on this website including Sundance would have bought their kid a weapon of any kind… if they were questioned about a school shooting and being warned by police to make sure the father locked up his weapons. Buying a gun as a gift for the creep is way over the top.
One thing I am going to add to this…I really do wish that some members of the GOP would knock off the pics of their kids with guns around the christmas tree… and they themselves with guns being displayed
Yes, I think this parent should be charged for applicable charges. I don’t think they should make up charges. The father does have a responsibility to protect the lives of others from his son. The kid was a well known threat to society, and his father had a duty to protect others, especially children. Colt should have never been at a large public school in his mental state. I believe the father was negligent, and a case could be made that he was an accomplice or commited involuntary manslaughter.
I am going to get real and maybe this has already been done, I have not read the 506 comments posted so far.
You are G..Damned right parents should be held responsible for their kids and that mean a f*ning hell of a lot more too.
responsible to know from schools about what the children are “identifying” as and having a say so.
right to have a say in a case of pregnancy for a daughter or for that matter a son fathering a child (not the girl carted off for an abortion without parental knowledge.
Right to know about trans treatments and the power to stop such.
Yes, if you are going to hold a parent responsible for the sins of the child then give them full power here to prevent sins of the child!!
Remember this…Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, 27, fired 75 rifle shots at police, with the police returning 380 rounds at them. When the carnage ended, Burguan said police found 1,600 rounds of ammunition on their bodies or in their car
They both lived with his mother and child
In addition, Burguan said investigators discovered 12 pipe bombs in the couple’s apartment, bomb-making materials and another 4,500 or more rounds of ammunition.
14 people were killed and 22 people were injured…at the IRC Christmas party
The Mother was never charged for what they did…even though the house was filled 12 pipe bombs and bomb-making materials and another 4,500 or more rounds of ammunition. She did not alert anyone.. even though the son came home after the killing dressed in tactical gear and hearing her sons name on the news wanted for the shooting…
The mother was never charged with anything related to what her son and daughter in law did (the murders)- she was charged with shredding a document planning the attack. all she received was six months home confinement and three years probation for destroying evidence connected to the massacre….She and a daughter was named in a huge life insurance (over 250,000) not sure if the feds took that…
I think 14 is too young to be tried as an adult, and yet, he has willfully taken the lives of innocent people. No doubt he has psychological problems, a terrible home life and reached some kind of breaking point.
Whether he can be fixed or not, a good time to start working with him was a year ago, when the threat surfaced. It will do no good to put him in a prison with adult criminals. If he is criminally insane he may belong in an asylum.
As someone who lived in Chicago you are correct. Never any charges for those parents.
I’m torn in all directions. I want accountability. We have no way of knowing how much the bullying turned this kid into a shooter & how seriously the father took the wake-up call a yr ago. Buying your kid a gun, knowing he’s being bullied daily, is just wrong unless you wanted this to happen.
I’ve read stories of the dad claiming the school would not stop the bullying. There’s a reason why a 14-yr old can’t easily buy his own gun.
The biggest problem, IMHAO, is the non-stop bullying in schools, on the internet, at home…. wherever it occurs. Buying this kid a gun & making inaccessible to him without supervision was fatal to 4 people. It is not OK.
This “new accountability model” is being used against white parents. It will never be used against the parents of black youths in the aforementioned cities. Don’t shoot the noticer… But if you pull up to a higher altitude, you will notice that the governments of all first world countries are siding with anyone but the native populations: Germany, Ireland, the UK, France, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, etc. It’s almost as if this was a coordinated international operation…
A person cannot own a rifle until they are 18 years old; they cannot own a handgun until the age of 21. The father could have given the kid the rifle for a gift when he is of age. I personally think the father was irresponsible and should be held accountable for his son’s actions as well as the son. Our children were all taught gun safety and were only allowed to handle a weapon while we were present. Kids should never have access to any weapon. That’s why a gun safe is the best bet to store them along with trigger locks. Even though the son was supposedly making threats, if he hadn’t had access to the rifle, he may not have followed through with them. And I am a very strong proponent of the 2nd amendment. It’s more about responsibility than anything.
I think parents should be accountable. But take a step back. Why does this happen? Almost all of these kids are in bad home situations, denied God, and neglected. As our society decays this will accelerate.
I was relentlessly bullied in school from 6th grade on and gave double barreled middle fingers on the way out the door my senior year. And that bullying got physical at times. Less than four months later I met my wife, started college, and my life turned 180. Bullying is no excuse for the hatred it takes to pre-meditate murder. That’s from a very broken home and a kid held back from God. I didn’t grow up with a perfect childhood but my parents were together (if dysfunctional), cared for me as they could, and I knew God.
My children have their own guns they use under my supervision. They have been around guns the entirety of their childhood and have handled every one of them. There is no mystery for them and they do not touch them without my permission. I also have invested in the necessary hardware to securely store them. I have gone to great lengths to explain and reinforce how once that bullet leaves the barrel it can never come back, and people don’t “respawn”. I think the father of this child failed at being a father. He should be held to account, along with the mother, who must be a total train wreck if she didn’t get custody.
Will all those charges stick? I don’t know what is just as far as the law.
I find myself understanding and even sympathizing with the points others have posted arguing against the charges. But I arrive at a different conclusion from my life experience.
We need to know whether this kid was on SSRIs. Did he have a psychiatrist ?
Was he fully vaccinated? Did he have 2 mRNA shots and 6 boosters? Did he need that to enroll in school?
What other drugs and vaccines did he have in his body?
Some here mentioned that he was a trans. If that is true what drugs was he on? What are the interactions of all these medications and injections of foreign substances?
I failed to mention in my previous comment that facing murder charges is way too extreme. It’s the son and only the son who should be charged with the murders.
Collective guilt by association. This is a nose under the tent towards a program of mass group persecutions, and it should be vigorously opposed.
I heard he bought and gifted the gun used in the shooting. Does that make a difference? The parent of a psycho child is probably the reason they are psycho. That may be less true today given all of the “the school transitioned my son/daughter without my knowledge” stories.
Mental illness isn’t always the result of environment. I have known someone who has a bipolar child yet both parents are “ normal”.
We want to believe there is an obvious cause for everything tragic. But sometimes it is just a mixture of bad environment and unfortunate genetics.