Senator JD Vance gave the keynote speech at the RNC convention for day #3. Senator Vance officially accepted the nomination to be Donald Trump’s Vice-Presidential nominee.
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Nice lapel flag pin worn by the Trump nominee. Don Jr wore the same one.
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I see the old guard that has held our politicians and our country hostage slowly cracking like a 1,000 yr old turtle’s shell. It may take another 1,000 yrs to disappear, and we owe it all to our one and only American hero extraordinaire my President for life Donald J Trump.
At first I was disappointed with Vance speech which to me seemed rambling and disorganized. I had wanted soaring inspirational polish and we did not get that.
Now after sleeping on it I think trump made a brilliant pick. Trump won 2016 by appealing to rust belt working class.
I think Vance’s best line was his promise “I’ll never forget where I came from.” And he is undeniably charming and likeable.
And I buy the convincing argument that he became a converted never – trumper because he was impressed with trump’s successful presidency.
I think Vance is A brilliant pick and I believe he can be counted on to be loyal and helpful to trump while receptive to trump’s mentoring over next 4 years
I was where you are on this Elder. What it felt like to me was that when he was notified he was in the final 3, he was probably told to write an outline of the speech, which he did. Then, when he was chosen, he took that outline and filled it in with a speech that probably had the polish you talk about.
BUT, my guess is that then the handlers, advisors, Trump campaign, etc got a hold of it and asked him to add X here, and Y there, and Z over there…..and it got a bit Frankensteined up in order to hit all the notes Trump’s campaign team wanted hit. And we were left with what we got.
The fact it was a decent as it was, given all that, is probably a miracle on its own. Additionally, the VP speech historically has been more about “getting things done”, than the President’s speech. The purpose for the 2 is very different. The VP speech is usually an attack-dog speech and more, oh, utilitarian speech. It’s the Presidential speech that is more with the high-flying rhetoric. So, in that light I think this speech did what it needed to do.
But, yeah I thought the exact same thing you did upon hearing it.
I liked that it was not polished.
He doesn’t come across as a smooth political type.
He actually seems more like a high school kid who’s been taken into the locker room of his favorite football team at half time, excited and happy and kind of shocked that he’s been so lucky to have been chosen to hang out with his heroes.
I like that.
Yeah I think thats sorta where I landed. It was choppy in a down-home way, and it was certainly written to accomplish an agenda rather than to bring a tear to the eye. You could also tell it was written by a young man still finding himself (which I think is ok).
I would imagine a Presidential speech from him with be more….soaring.
Ultimately, I agree with you Val, that he was excited, had a job to do, and did it with his own flavor (except where pieces were stuck in for narrative purposes).
It was choppy because it was to the convention crowd interrupted by clapping and verbal remarks from the audience. It had the start stop feel to it.
They all have speech writers. Maybe his isn’t high rent yet.
He’s 39. If he chooses to, he’ll grow into his role, and he’ll get better at speeches too.
I believe the wisdom of choosing Vance for the ticket will be borne out in the coming months.
There have been a number of high-profile previous Trump-haters who have come around, like Mark Levin & Glenn Beck. Altho I’m not a fan of either, they have been open and humble in their reassessment of him. I’m hoping JD will be in that company.
Time will tell.
All I can say is Vance had better be loyal to Trump and adhere 100% to the Trump agenda and never make any sort of comment about Trump that the Democrats can use for their own benefit. And he had better not use his VP position to wage a stealth 2028 presidential campaign. No matter how well he does as VP he is not going to be my #1 choice in 2028. I’m all in for Nikki Haley! (hahahahahaha, just kidding)
Does anyone have any examples of Vance criticising Trump after he became a Senator? I know the “Hitler” text message was sent in February 2016. I suppose some Democrat media web site has a compiled list.
Also, I read that his wife is a registered Democrat. She needs to fix that ASAP.
don’t believe everything you read with all the fake news just sayng!
Business Insider says:
To make her political affiliations even murkier, Vance was a registered Democrat until 2014, The Times reported. Yet she shifted to the right alongside her husband — in 2021, Federal Election Commission records reveal that she donated to Blake Masters, a conservative Senate candidate in Arizona.
As long as she’s not a registered Democrat now I don’t care if she used to be one. 2014 is pre-Trump. 🙂 An entirely different political era. Though it does mean she probably voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.
Since Rush isn’t here to remind everyone I’ll do it. There was operation Hillary where we all switched parties to vote for her on the dem side. Rush showed us that we should use the primary system to vote for the person we Republicans want to run against (the weaker choice, the one with the most baggage or who is the most progressive). This isn’t fraud as they do it to us. Ethical is questionable. But Rush was adamant. Politics, thanks to the dems, is now war without the bl*odshed. Do what you can until they finally close primary voting to the party voters.
But this is probably why the sho*er was registered as a republican and yet gave to a demgroup.
I know many registered democrats who vote for Trump every chance they can.
It’s not good optics if the GOP VP pick has a Democrat wife, that was my point.
Probably true, but I think some of that is the historical paradigm of the 2 parties that have flipped in the time since she became registered. Meaning, when she would have been of voting age it was clear that the GOP was for the country club elite, and the DNC was for the working man.
That paradigm has totally flipped due to Obama and Trump. It’s clear that Vance and his wife identify with the hard scabble life of the working class and where that WOULD have made them Democrats 20 years ago…..it makes them Republicans today. I’m guessing if that flip was unwelcome to the wife, she wouldn’t have married Vance in the first place (he’s basically always been a Republican). I’m guessing she realizes that paradigm shift (she’s lived it with her own husband).
Yes she needs to register as a Republican, but I’m laying out the case why she could do it without even being a sell-out to her values or even a red flag to us. Id call it a yellow flag…
In 2016 some of President Trump’s own children were not able to vote for him in the primaries because they were registered Dems.
If I remember correctly Trump was a Democrat at one time.
Nah, according to the judgements I’m reading from some of these people, he sprung full grown from Zeus’s skull, in full battle armor.
But I don’t think you want a GOP VP’s wife to be a registered Democrat, do you? I’m glad to see she already changed it.
She was in way deeper than being registered Democrat. She was a lawyer for the DNC law firm – until this weekend.
Reminds when all the GOPe “influencers” and trolls were scouring the internet trying to brush off Ted Cruz’s wife’s seat on the CFR.
“Usha Chilukuri Vance, the wife of Ohio Senator J.D. Vance, quit her job as a corporate litigator at DNC-affiliated Munger, Tolles & Olson, within minutes of hearing that JD had been selected as President Trump’s Vice-President nominee and running mate. Usha Vance worked in Washington DC for the firm.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/16/wife-of-jd-vance-resigns-from-san-francisco-law-firm-moments-after-her-husband-is-announced/
As I said it is not her religion that bothers me, when I said say a closing prayer to many gods was not right.
its where she has for several years …..Didn’t know she was Democrat, so add that into the mess and WOW!!
Well, her speech was not inspiring at all to me. It’s as if she was trying to get people not to vote for her husband. JD plays with puppies, watches Babe, cooks for her mother, and eats vegetarian food.
hey speech was that of full-time housewife versus a wife who has been practicing law for many years.
It was almost as if she was demeaning herself to put her husband on some type of pedestal.
I’m not a public speaker, so who knows. But as a lawyer I do believe she could have done better.
How much bhang do they drink?
The media is already reporting such a compilation. Just watched it 15 minutes ago.
Maybe you have all seen this already, but per Vanity Fair (yah, I know):
J.D. Vance officially became Donald Trump’s 2024 running mate on Monday, but apparently the Ohio senator was struggling to get the VP nod locked up until the very last second.
The New York Times reported on Tuesday that “the lead-up to Mr. Trump’s selection of Mr. Vance was even more chaotic” than his selection of Mike Pence eight years ago, and was “uncertain down to the final hours, with a frantic lobbying effort until the last possible moment by anti-Vance forces, including Rupert Murdoch and his allies, with some of it playing out in public.” Trump, the outlet notes, “seemed uncertain right until the end, privately raising some of the negative comments Mr. Vance had made about him in the past.” (Those comments included calling Trump “America’s Hitler” and saying he is “unfit for our nation’s highest office.”)
The campaign against Vance for VP reportedly involved Murdoch sending top executives and columnists from the New York Post to meet with Trump and make the case against Vance’s candidacy. (The Australian billionaire apparently preferred North Dakota governor Doug Burgum.) Longtime Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway is said to have “argued privately that other options, such as [Senator Marco] Rubio, were better,” according to people familiar with the matter. Hedge fund billionaire Ken Griffin also “tried to persuade Mr. Trump not to choose Mr. Vance,” per the Times. (A spokesman for Griffin told the outlet that the businessman felt there were several good options and that Team Trump had been “thoughtful.”)
On the flip side, allies of the Ohio senator “ran a counter campaign to reassure Mr. Trump about” picking Vance. Elon Musk reportedly “told Mr. Trump directly that he should choose Mr. Vance as his running mate, describing the Trump-Vance pairing as ‘beautiful’.” (Musk did not respond to requests for comment from the Times.) Donald Trump Jr., who has grown close with Vance over the last several years “pushed…most insistently” in both public and private. Even Tucker Carlson personally beseeched the former president to pick Vance, making a wild, ominous claim about what might happen if Trump went with Rubio or Burgum instead:
(I don’t know why that last sentence ended with a semi-colon)
When word got back to Tucker Carlson a few weeks ago that Mr. Trump might be wavering on Mr. Vance, he intervened. Mr. Carlson, who was visiting Australia on a speaking tour, phoned Mr. Trump and delivered an apocalyptic warning, according to two people briefed on their conversation. He told Mr. Trump that Mr. Rubio could not be trusted—that he would work against him and would try to lead America into nuclear war. Mr. Carlson, who declined to comment for this article, told Mr. Trump that Mr. Burgum could not be trusted, either.
Mr. Carlson told Mr. Trump in that June phone call that he believed that if he chose a “neocon” as his V.P.—an abbreviation for Republicans who favor using U.S. power to implant democracy abroad—then the U.S. intelligence agencies would have every incentive to assassinate Mr. Trump in order to get their preferred president.
Also apparently hurting the non-Vance candidates’ chances was the fact that (1) Trump reportedly viewed Rubio “as disloyal for having campaigned in 2016 against Mr. Rubio’s friend and mentor, Jeb Bush, and wondered whether he could be trusted” and (2) Trump “was repelled by a Daily Mail article describing Mr. Burgum weeping at various moments.”
According to the Times, calls urging him to pick the Ohio senator continued “until the moment Mr. Trump finally told Mr. Vance of his decision, on Monday afternoon, less than half an hour before he announced his choice on social media.”
If you’re a big Tucker fan then you are probably comfy with the idea that Tucker drove the decision to choose Vance. I like Tucker sometimes, but not always, and his influence on Trump makes me nervous. But that said, nothing will stop me from voting for Trump and I pray Vance is totally loyal and ends up being an trustworthy and devoted wingman, because that’s what Trump needs.
In the next 4 years, people I want to influence Trump: Tucker, Trump Jr., Musk. People I do NOT want influencing Trump: Rupert Murdoch, Mitch McConnel, Paul Ryan, any Bush.
In that light, as Tucker said, the fact all the right people hated Vance- makes me feel pretty great about the guy. And I thought Vance’s excuse for his previous behavior was decently (though not perfectly) explained. The simple fact is that there WERE and ARE many never-trumpers who Donald turned around. Many folks who were worried about the kind of President he’d be, but who feel better today.
I like that Vance is embracing his prior skeptisism and rather than running away from it, is using it as a tool to help people understand how you can go from a Trump-skeptic, to a Trump-believer. And it doesn’t matter what you or I, or Sundance think anyhow. Why? Because TRUMP believes him, and that’s all that matters at this point.
Yes, we should keep our eye on the kid. Trump has given him the awesome responsibility of being the future of MAGA, but it’s telling that with his life on the line- and the ability to pick anyone he wanted- he picked this guy. Unlike Pence, Vance was chosen explicitly because Trump wanted him. Period.
It is Kubuki theater. I do not know about Don Jr, but the only thing that list of people differ on is which globalist/deepstate saboteur to force on the ticket.
I don’t want any of the people you named influencing Trump. I want him to listen and then do what he thinks best.
Many find out what President Trump says or gonna do and then they advice him to do it. Tucker is good at this. So is Wayne Root. So is Benny Johnson.
I have to say that Tucker’s caution that choosing a neocon could trigger a IC assassination attempt appears sound to me.
That was a big reason that I was opposed to Haley, Pompeo, etc.
I totally agree with this. Trump’s best argument to stay alive, is to pick someone the establishment is just as or even more scared of than they are of Trump. Of the notable contenders, Vance was the only one even CLOSE.
No one in the GOP establishment or the deepstate is scared of Vance – he is a puppet.
Yeah, right, Tucker drove the decision. Yeah, sure. Of course this is the narrative to push PDJT gets told what to do and he, by God does it.
Yeah, right. Not.
For some odd reason, even though I like him and think he’s said and done good things, I have a lot of skepticism about Tucker Carlson.
Vance’s story seems a little too convenient to me. I’m not saying that he fabricated his life story. What I’m saying is that I think we know the deep state recruits from the Ivy League schools. So it’s not hard to imagine the deep state targeting someone at Yale (Vance), Harvard (Ramaswamy) or Columbia (Obama) and saying “We find your story compelling. Name your price.” After which, it’s not hard to imagine the target responding with “Price? What the hell are you talking about, get out of here.” Whereupon the deep state might say, “Very well. Think about it, we’ll be in touch.” And in the case of Obama, he’s down with the struggle anyway so it wouldn’t take that long. Vance and Ramaswamy maybe a little longer.
In any case, it’s not hard to imagine someone like JD Vance seeing an opportunity to take care of his family beyond anything he could ever have imagined, and so explains such a meteoric rise to prominence. I have a few close friends who think the failed assassination attempt ensures Trump’s victory in November. But the next attempt, after the election, will not miss. Vance becomes POTUS and the DS/IC will already have their guy in place. Conspiracy theory? Time will tell.
To be honest I have felt that about DeSantis, that he would be the type to be swayed by money (and I think he already has been). At least Vance has his own wealth. That makes him a little less corruptible, in my opinion.
I think we’re all so battered by everything that has happened since 2015. We are very very wary, for good reason. I’m going to make peace with my discomfort, it’s warranted and legitimate. I’ll hope for the best and try to not predict doom.
Here is a Catholic’s comments on Vance:
https://catholicconvert.com/vance-not-the-choice-of-many-catholics/
t is sad that so many expect perfection before they will stand behind a good man.We have two choices this November — radically different choices for the future of America, our families, Israel, the world and the Church. Who else will fight on our behalf to stop the insane destruction of America and restore sanity in the world.
Even if one is skeptical about Trump and Vance remember that God uses flawed people. He does not expect perfection before he calls a person for his service.God draws straight with crooked lines. He has always used flawed men to do his will — King David the murderer and adulterer (whom God says was a man after God’s own heart) and Solomon the idolater.
God calls himself “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”, yet Jacob means “supplanter” and he was a crook and swindler. Moses was a murderer and stuttered, Aaron the High Priest was a coward and pushover.
God used Peter who denied him and waffled in his ministry at times and many others who were not even believers like the King of Persia (Ezra 1:1-4) — a host of flawed individuals.
I am not going to waste my time or your’s pointing out flaws in Trump or Vance (but I will point out my own). Frankly, from what I am learning, Vance is the ideal man to fill this slot. He is intelligent, conservative, a Catholic, eloquent, young and ready to defend freedom of religion and America.
I will pray for him and defend him and oppose the nay-sayers who have nothing better to do than take cheap potshots. Who would they be happy with?
You left out Samson, whom I like to draw parallels between him and Trump. There are many.
I can imagine Trump wishing, if not praying, for revenge against his enemies, same as Samson:
28 And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord God, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
“Vengeance is mine saith the Lord,” and sometimes he uses flawed individuals to get it.
I did no write that; that is the article that the link goes to…
When it comes to the Catholic Church, wouldn’t it be better to focus on the Pope first?
I’m not Catholic, but my wife is. Devoutly so. That is what she and her family constantly discuss.
Were I to answer your question, that would take this entire thread in an endless opposite direction. I believe it’s called hijacking a thread. And your post made it clear you would not entertain any disagreement with your viewpoint, anyway, so why would you even ask?
That was a full quote from the posted article. I did not ask the question…
I gather no one clicked on the link….that is the whole article..I did not write that or actually say I agreed with it all..just food for thought
I don’t care that Vance was Never Trump back in 2016.
I supported Donald Trump for president since 2011. Yes four years before he came down the escalator. It doesn’t make me better than anyone, but I am not a newcomer. The reason I was and still am a Trump supporter was his America First policies on trade, energy, and foreign policy. He didn’t talk much about immigration or the wall much prior to 2015, but I support that as well.
Vance stands for all those things and that’s good enough for me. You can poke holes in every other person that was considered. There was not a single person that would be “perfect”.
Trump picked Vance. No one tells Trump what to do. Even if Vance was a string that was attached to some deal, Trump still figured it was the best option.
Sometimes the enemy of the good is perfect . In politics we have to be sober and have eyes wide open . Only time will tell if Vance can truly be trusted . I believe he can be loyal , but he will surely be tested .
I will support the Trump / Vance ticket , because visibly and demonstrably the other side is working for the demon agents trying to destroy national unity , Christian culture and promote degeneracy , and they want to make it a totalitarian system where we can have no freedom of conscience.
As long as the Republican Party leaders can avoid the mentality of unity no matter what one has to compromise , I will support them . Yet this is a very real danger in our times . You can not dialogue with pure evil .. which sometimes comes disguised as an angel of light .
Interesting analysis of JD Vance (or is James Donald Bowman or James David Hamel) by Kerry Cassidy,
https://t.me/s/projectcamelotKerry
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/jd-vance-and-peter-thiel-what-to-know-about-the-relationship-between-trump-s-vp-pick-and-the-billionaire/ar-BB1q6DSs
Recall other Paypal people:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/members-of-the-paypal-mafia-include-tech-titans-like-elon-musk-peter-thiel-and-reid-hoffman-heres-where-they-are-now/ss-AA1jMU4c
Remember Reid Hoffman visited Epstein Island: https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/linkedins-reid-hoffman-visited-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island/
And, this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/peter-thiel-plays-kingmaker-again-as-trump-picks-jd-vance-for-veep/ar-BB1q4PEE
https://gizmodo.com/someone-is-trying-to-discredit-the-story-of-peter-thiel-1796135794
But see this:
https://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.html
JD investment Companies:
https://www.fastcompany.com/91157500/companies-jd-vance-invested-in-as-a-vc
More details: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ambrosia-young-blood-plasma-jesse-karmazin_n_5c1bbafce4b0407e9078373c
Cassidy suggests that JD Vance has links to younng blood transfusion company, “Ambrosia”:
about that company and its investors:
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ambrosia-blood-transfusion-aging-20190228-story.html
Still researching for JD direct links…
More on JD investments:
https://www.fastcompany.com/91157500/companies-jd-vance-invested-in-as-a-vc
JD started venture capital career at Thiel’s Mithril Capital. Tolkien fans will recognize this):
https://www.mithril.com/
Look at Adimab-empower the human immune system with category leading antibody technologies.
Adimab is the global leader in the discovery and optimization of fully human monoclonal and bispecific antibodies”. Further, “The Adimab Platform is based on synthetic and natural immune repertoires (can you say real human plasma from real human blood?!) that are propagated and screened in their propretary yeast system. Its technology allows selection of key antibody properties in real-time.” Sounds like DOD, DARPA/DITRA to me.
FDA warning about transfusions :
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/statement-fda-commissioner-scott-gottlieb-md-and-director-fdas-center-biologics-evaluation-and-0
Here is an article referencing Thiel’s links:
https://mashable.com/article/ambrosia-blood-boy-company-back-in-business
Thiel was pushing hard for JD VP appt.
Oh goodness, maybe I should vote for Joey or Karmela now. Good grief what a depressing thread. The democrats could not ask for more.
Article with picture of Ambrosia founder:
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/lost-in-transfusion-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-startup-that-wants-to-slow-aging-with-young-blood-20190226-p5108x.html
JD’s current investments:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/jd-vance-investment-portfolio-includes-bitcoin-walmart-nasdaq-100-etfs-2024-7
I am appalled at what people are writing here. The inability of commenters to think independently and analyze President Trump’s VP choice logically and strategically is surprising.
Vance has an amazing life story and the fact that he has risen from a life of poverty and abuse, to being chosen to be the Republican Vice Presidential nominee is truly outstanding. This speaks positively about his character, wisdom, courage, determination and intelligence.
His life “is” the American Dream and Vance is visibly humbled by it and grateful for it. He will be a great role model and inspiration to others.
Vance will also be a huge asset and support for an aging President Trump. Vance has an extensive, well rounded resume, and brings to the job more positives than negatives.
The fact that so many are writing comments almost to the point of hatred, tells me that President Trump made the right choice in JD Vance.
Well said.
I wouldn’t say that the comments are almost the point of hatred.
I think folks have been pretty beaten up by persons who seemed to be on Trump’s team but who have proven to be traitorous,like Pence, and are now justifiably nervous and even skeptical of anyone who hasn’t been hardcore Trump from the start.
I think this might be a good time for all of us to show patience and grace to each other.
The true JD Vance
https://x.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/1800921004472181168
This is nearly a replay of 2016 when I and others were pointing out Pence’s true loyalty – “a godly man” I was told. Trust Trump they said
Yeah, it’s nearly a replay of 2016 when were were told Trump as a NY liberal, a former Democrat, he’d been bankrupt, divorced, and I can’t remember everything else.
Vance might go either way. I don’t know. I took a leap of faith voting for President Trump the first time. I’m voting for him again and Vance is along for the ride.
In spite of my reservations about JD Vance, I am not going to definitively state whate he can or will be. I don’t know and no one else does either.
Difference then was it took not too much research to determine the media/RNC/GOP were lying to us about Trump and they were covering up Pence’s background and loyalty.
I disagree entirely. I had absolutely no grantee in 2016 that Trump was the real deal. I was more confident in him than I am in who and what Vance is, yeah. But there was no overwhelming evidence in his favor.
Then perhaps someone in his “own Intelligence network” should have been the VP pick.
Trump doesn’t “know” any of that. He was bad at picking people last time and only time will tell if he is better this time.
Basically what a lot of these people commenting want is to have their cake and eat it too, logic wise.
First point, in their mind. President Trump is all knowing and just about perfect. We support him 100%.
Second point. JD Vance is without doubt a deep state plant who will bring us all down.
Which totally appears to be saying that they think President Trump has no idea what he’s doing in his choice of VP, or is so weak he’s being led.
I think you present some options to think about here, which is what is needed, rather than just blanket statements of judgement.
So you think that the american dream is to take tens of millions of dollars from morally degenerate oligarchs to act as their tool to visit the same objectionable travesties Nimrata and the Meatball had in store for us?
Or did you think that oligarchic filth paid him all that cash for nothing?
Maybe we should stop this useless voting thing and just let them pick? They bought up the votes last time anyway.
IMO Vance was picked by Trump because he was viewed as a useful running mate in the election cycle, that’s all.
Why to I think that? Because if anything happened to Trump, there is not one person available who would be able to be the kind of president we need at this time, so he picked someone he thought would help with the election.
I think Trump understands and I think many of us understand, it’s all Trump, or nothing at all.
Well Trump said he was looking for someone who would be a good president if something happened to him, so there’s that…
A lot of folks were screaming like school girls when Mike Hesus Johnson became speaker but less than a month later were sorely disappointed. Same with ACB. Give Vance a break.
Vance was inducted into the same club.
Random musings.
Obamas went to Netflix in 2018. In 2019 or so, Servant Of The People, a Ukrainian TV show, started streaming there.
In 2020, Netflix gave us child pornography in Cuties. They also signed the Markles. A movie by Ron Howard based on a book by JD Vance debuted that year.
Just sayin’.
Appreciate the timeline
Absence of a pin means nothing.
Absence of any real substance to his speech is more concerning.
“Nice lapel flag pin worn by the Trump nominee. Don Jr wore the same one.”
Your flag pin won’t get you into heaven anymore –
None of the Vance cheerleaders appear to have bothered doing any reading here on CTH. Sundance has been all over this. Try using the CTH search bar.
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“Vivek Ramaswamy and J.D. Vance were college buddies, later funded by billionaire Peter Thiel who is BFF’s with billionaire Elon Musk. Beside their Big Tech relationship, what do Peter Thiel and Elon Musk have in common?…. DHS, IC and FBI activities.
We have already seen the history of placing a VP Mike Pence with Donald Trump just to undermine the MAGA agenda. Now we have an FBI informant, working with a political manipulation effort (TPUSA) to position his asset, JD Vance, into the Pence role for 2024.
And no one wants to admit this is happening, because it might be too uncomfortable to admit.“
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/06/17/unfortunate-charlie-kirk-tpusa-and-richard-baris-construct-push-poll-to-influence-vp-selection/#more-261351
There is much more where that came from.
I’m honestly quite surprised at how many people here are on the opposite side of this as Sundance, whose track record in such things has been stellar. Everything he has said matches my own gut instincts as well.
Last bolded quote sums it up perfectly I guess.
I believe I can say with great confidence that Sundance could save himself a lot of money if he wanted a bunch of pied pipers. He could just not invest so much money into a site that allows not only comments, but so many simultaneous comments that we are almost a little Facebook. He could have a site that was closed to commenting, or where people had to pay, pretty much guaranteeing homogeny.
He has written truth, he’s researched, he’s thought, he’s travelled, he’s looked people in the eye and come to his conclusions. I doubt that he’d be disappointed at all if JD Vance turns into the best vice president and biggest supporter and aide President Trump has ever seen.
I also suspect he hasn’t ruled that out entirely in his caution and well informed analysis.
Sundance writes great articles. Perhaps people can read the CTH articles and come to reasonable conclusions that differ from yours. I don’t need to be a member of the CTH collective to think clearly.
The CTH collective gaslights anyone who doesn’t think like them. It’s a herd mentality. “And no one wants to admit this is happening, because it might be too uncomfortable to admit.”
Who decided that agreement is herd mentality? Since when is disagreement gaslighting?
If you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchen.
A need to control is a reaction to fear.
You’ve heard of this?… 🙂
We see what we see.
We know what we know.
Pattern recognition.
This means President Trump knows all this too.
Plus much we don’t know.
For the moment, it appears that he has accepted the Obama construct dressed in a Deplorable mask, in return for Silicon Valley support.
If Silicon Valley believes it has won the long game, it would have a lot of evidence upon which to base its conclusion.
Appearances can be deceiving.
The SSCI / Rubio / Epstein crowd thought it scored when it got President Trump to make Alex Acosta Secretary of Labor too.
Maybe Vance is a double agent for MAGA, maybe he isn’t. Maybe if you can run a fake Joe Biden as a puppet President for 4 years, you can switch out to a fake JD Vance at will too.
It’s almost never the puppets who actually matter. Let’s keep that in mind.
For now, it is clear that President Trump’s mission is uniting the whole country. His pick is his pick.
And if the last 9 years was just a Hegelian play and a long running psy op, well, I guess we’re all going to end up where we were headed in 2015 anyways.
I’m going with Pascal’s bargain, except applied to Team Trump. If he’s real, and for real, we are going to be okay. And if he’s not, and the Vance pick is data on that point along with some other very concerning dots (Real ID), well, then, we are going to be just as likely dead or enslaved as we would have been under the Clintons, just more aware of reality as we travel further into 1984 / Agenda 2030.
For now, there’s no downside to unity, and no real upside to beating a dead horse.
We just thoroughly finished putting Vance under a microscope. The type of bug has been identified, at least on its surface appearance. It is what it is.
We still vote Trump, and we choose to move forward. And if not all of us add the lower name to our signs, well, no harm no foul.
Well stated!
For the last year I have logged in and heard many of you state that Carson should be the choice as he will bring unity. Now that he is not the pick several of these voices are sowing division. I hope you can see the irony.
Carson was my first choice. When Carson spoke at this Convention, he stated that Vance is the right choice.
Perhaps we should all suspect Carson’s integrity too. /s 😀
A lot of people here need to breathe…
Trump is building for the future. I’ll bet Carson recognizes this too.
Have a question that is kind of bugging me. Seems I am not the only one who is wondering too.
Has Vance ever publicly apologized for his Never-Trump Vile Rhetoric!
I looked all over and can find no apology, and it does not appear to be in his speech last night.
His comments were not just about Trump but he said some very vile things about the people who support and have supported Trump.
I don’t believe that JD Vance has TRULLY deep down done a 180. My gut says his claims are just words spewing from his mouth. Just like so many other so called Republicans I and many others do believe he is using Trump to be able to climb the ladder of politics. H3LL I do believe he used Trump to get his seat in Congress.
Even when Pakman talks about and tries to excuse some of Vance’s other comments, it does not appear that Vance has ever ever apologized to us MAGA supporters for what he said. It is apparent that the
Just my humble Opinion
Vance stated he was wrong. Perhaps you could explain your need for an apology.
WHY—because I am Trump supporter , at least for now.
And when Vance was spewing all his Anti-Trump stuff he was also putting down Trump supporters which mean he was putting me down. Guess Trump supporters including me are and were not a good enough church goers and Christian per his standards.
Oh I’m the first to admit I’m not perfect, for there has bee only one perfect person to walk this earth Christ who died for us on the Cross so that by His grace we might have life eternal.
“I think if folks went to church a little bit more, they may not be as excited or as attracted to the sort of social experience that Trump provides.”
My gut tells me Vance has TRULY not done a 180. Do believe that he is using Trump and the people that follow Trump as a way to more political power and wealth.
Perhaps you won’t want to read 1/2 of the New Testament since Paul (not Saul) wrote it. Be a Berean and breathe Brother…
The last I read – in Revelation – the world falls apart. Then Jesus – the only perfect Person to walk this earth – comes back and rules Forever! Amen!
Now you are sounding like what Vance said about Trump supporters. Thank You, makes me feel warm and cozy inside. “I think Trump provides that sense of community that many in the White working class would have, if they actually went to church,” Vance told New York public radio. “I think if folks went to church a little bit more, they may not be as excited or as attracted to the sort of social experience that Trump provides.”
Hey I’m not perfect and will never claim to be perfect, for there was only one perfect person who walked the earth–Christ. 1Peter 2:24 He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
Churches should offer a spiritual and social experience that far exceeds any in the secular world. Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way anymore. The Church is apostate. There is little righteousness in the churches and almost as much wokeness as in the Democrat Party.
“It is for freedom that Christ set us free. Stand firm, then, and never be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Gal. 5:1
America is not a Christian Theocracy. Its founding principles are culturally Christian, and Spiritually christian – note where I use CAPS. I hope I am explaining myself well.
I will have no problem voting for Trump/Vance, as long as they support the free debate of righteousness vs evil, and, truth vs lies, in the open forum. Vance was right, but, Jonathan Edwards is NOT running for President. There are no Jonathan Edwards’ in the Church today. Any who are close – like the excommunicated Archbishop Vigano – are being pushed out of the apostate Church.
We are in terrible and exciting times. The sheep and goats are being clearly separated. No one will have an excuse for ignorance about which side of the real schism they stand. A friend of the world is the enemy of God. I will remain a free Christian no matter who wins. One political group may get me home sooner than the other 😀
Right Wing + Left Wing = Same Vulture
I can respect other religions without demeaning mine by praying to false gods and idols like the Israelites were doing when Moses came down with the Ten Commandments the first time.
So do you support Trump religious stance or not…Singular form of GOD, not plural gods
Exodus 20:3 NIV
You Shall Have No Other Gods Before Me
Luke 4:8 NIV
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.
if you are such a supporter Of President Trump, why do you not respect his choice? You act as though you want him to lose.
Everyone has gut instincts but that doesn’t mean we are right.
Many people have joined the MAGA movement that had their doubts before and just didn’t like Donald Trump. They changed their minds and it has grown for all the right reasons.
Maybe we have been given a reality test by God. Trump won against the odds in 2016. Maybe we were tested, in 2020 when Biden stole the election. We certainly did see in the last few years the difference and we really appreciate and know what bad really is. Obviously many others have awakened to that.
What other choice do we have anyway? I support Trump and respect his decision.
The lady who did the “hindu” closing was Harmeet Dhillon a Sikh and she was the person running to be chair of the RNC against Ronna the clown. She has been around far longer than Vance so it was not for him that she was there.
We have been fooled by many who have stealthily hidden their pasts so I have trouble trusting anyone. But sometimes you just have to until you find out different.
The choice has been made and we should allow the other side to do the usual ruining of our candidates and not make it easy for them and FJB.
That is such a weird question.
Hey there are many people I care about and support but does not mean I have to , need or will support everything they do.
I have a ton of friends that just love to each sushi. Since I don’t like Sushi and they choose to eat, does that mean I don’t support them h.mmm
Will say I don’t support Trumps new VP new policy proposal announcement. Do you.. JD Vance Begin Announcing Policy Proposals, Starting with Elon Inspired Carbon Taxes
I don’t need an apology. I do need him to publicly renounce the morally degenerate oligarchs from whom he’s taken tens of millions of dollars.
Otherwise, he’s just repackaged Meatball.
Let’s see him follow suit with President Trump and take zero salary since he is already a big baller number one, then let’s see him divest all creepy business ties to be overseen by a third party not his wife for a second “slice of fried gold”..
Trump should not do that again , he deserves every penny and a lot more .
“Like a lot of people, I criticized Trump back in 2016,” Vance said. “And I ask folks not to judge me based on what I said in 2016, because I’ve been very open that I did say those critical things and I regret them, and I regret being wrong about the guy. I think he was a good president, I think he made a lot of good decisions for people, and I think he took a lot of flak.”
Vance added that he himself had been criticized for standing up for the former president’s voters and agenda, saying, “I think that’s the most important thing, is not what you said five years ago, but whether you’re willing to stand up and take the heat and take the hits for actually defending the interests of the American people.” jdv 2021
Since 2016 there has been this crazy trend with Republican Politicians, with so many apologizing and cozying up to Trump people when it benefits their upcoming election &/ or ability to schmooze others into supporting their agenda.
The list of Republican politicians who have been using & abusing the Trump agenda is so lengthy that it probably very difficult to list. Crazy as it sounds many of them have even gotten on and off the Trump Train so many times it is hard to keep track of them any more.
So now I am supposed to believe that Vance has honestly gotten on the Trump Train because he truly loves the Trump Agenda and Trump supporters now, when most of his political career and media appearance was bashing Trump and his supporters HMMMM
Will I vote for Trump probably—
It would probably make a nicer world if sincere apologies were given more often when one has wronged others, especially when it is many others. .
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The fact that Vance actually thought Trump didn’t care about people is mind boggling to me . How could he be that ridiculously clueless is my question .
If he could think that I don’t think he gets Trump as a whole at all . Extremely troublesome to me.
Personally, I believe JD Vance was chosen for VP for simple economic reasons … like with a minimum of re-work requiring only the change of two (2) letters, all of the former 2020 TRUMP-PENCE campaign material, election signs and banners can be recycled to read:
TRUMP-VAnce
instead of
TRUMP-PEnce
Actually makes better sense then any other reasons.
Yes I will take the bashing, but too many somethings about Vance just does not fit into what Trump has been preaching and campaigning for.
Crazy as it sounds but in Vance’s VERY short political career he has spend more time bashing Trump and Trump supporters then anything else.
Did Vance Truly do a 180? Probably like so many of the other RINOs who want to get elected have.
The removal of the lapel pin may be a sign. The lapel pin most often seen around Washington, DC is the rectangle US flag pin with the USSS Star over the stars and stripes. I have several of these and have previously enjoyed wearing them, now not so much.
Can you explain? I don’t know.
No, in Washington many wear a flag pin that is blue and yellow anymore.
All this chest beating.
And yet no mention of what I thought was the prime mover for the whole day and convention: the families of Obiden’s abandonment of Americans in Afghanistan. Wow! The manipulative camera panning notwithstanding that was a powerful reminder to everyone – the human costs/suffering and the consequences of investing in the Progressive/Transformative brand marketed by the folks who currently own and run the Uniparty/Deep State.
Boy I will say I certainly don’t have a clue what’s going on. I just read the Diane Marshall report re her take on the outing of Vance along with many others including all of the supreme court justices except Clarence Thomas! I do remember DJT saying “we would all be surprised and excited re his pick “, I don’t think its over by a long shot!
Crap weasel!!!