Senator JD Vance gave the keynote speech at the RNC convention for day #3. Senator Vance officially accepted the nomination to be Donald Trump’s Vice-Presidential nominee.
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Nice lapel flag pin worn by the Trump nominee. Don Jr wore the same one.
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Rush on ribbons:
Great find!!!
El Rushbo !
Thanks, needed the laugh. There’s a lot of virtue signaling going around.
Miss him so….
Its crazy how less than a week ago, everyone was commenting how Trump was spared by God, that basically he has the hand of God on his shoulder, and and now many don’t trust his judgement in his VP pick.
Well if we are being honest Trump has not had particularly good luck with many of his personnel picks. Also we have to note that SD has very good instincts when it comes to the denizens of D.C.
I remember voting for W. Mc Cain. Romney.
They present themselves very different from what the actually are
Also thought the guy with the eye patch was a good guy too
Get my gist?
Yes I do.
Yeah, the Republican Party gave us some great choices for president. They attacked the Tea Party and then we were left with McCain vs Romney in 2008, and then Romney vs Santorum in 2012. It’s almost like the Republican Party wanted “Born in Kenya” Obama to get elected–twice.
And Obama was helped by the vote counts being changed in his favor.
Trump’s hands were tied with a lot of his nominations and picks. Name one other person who could have done what he did with what he had to work with.
Yeah!
At least this time I think he was able to make the choice himself and not have someone telling him who could be his VP like I think McConnell and others did last time. I pray he made a good choice. The list of ‘influencers,’ I’m not so sure they will all be a good influence.
I don’t think any of us are in a place to pass judgement about anything Trump.
We do not have a clue what kind of pressure he’s under with any of his actions….guesses perhaps..but not a single one of us is walking in this man’s shoes.
Even if we could, we couldn’t do one iota of the good he’s brought to our country…and brought it free of charge.
Yeah and they let some sikh women pray to some false god at the convention.
Why would you trust any of them. JD Vance is certainly not who he appears to be.
It isn’t about other peoples religions, it is about your own. Other cultures have a right to their beliefs as long as it is respectful to the beliefs of others. We all worship the same God.
“The Western elites worship Satan.”
V. Putin.
We do NOT all worship the same god.
WHAT LIBERALISM IS
It is the world of Lucifer, disguised in our times under the name of Liberalism, in radical opposition and in perpetual warfare against that society composed of the Children of God, the Church of Jesus Christ.
https://www.liberalismisasin.com/chapter2.htm
Please don’t try to tell me that YHWH/Elohim who sent his Son to suffer, bleed and die for our sins is the same as the demonic Hindu goddess Kali with her belt of human skulls, or the Aztec/cartel goddess Santa Muerte with her skull draped in blasphemy, or any of the Voodoo gods to whom Haitian children are sacrificed, or the Rothschilds’ god, Lucifer.
You may think this doesn’t matter.
It does.
Freedom of religion is one thing. Destruction of the Christian foundations of Western civilization is cultural suicide.
It still grates on my nerves to read an op ed where a Hindu complained about his kid being told to turn the other cheek in a schoolyard fight, because “turn the other cheek” was an explicitly Christian concept that should be expunged from our culture as a result of his decision to immigrate here.
Try going to India and similiarly undermining their culture.
Insert expletive here.
I want my country back, the one founded upon a single Creator God who is the source of all our inalienable rights.
THAT is foundational, and frankly, nothing about the Hindu religion resonates with that concept at all.
My Western Christian concept of a Creator God who gave us Free Will is the underlying foundation to the very concept of freedom of conscience and freedom of religion.
Try finding the concept of and respect for Free Will anywhere in Hinduism, or Islam. Good luck.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact, it is said.
Neither is the concept of freedom of religion meant to be a dagger to the heart of this shining City on a Hill.
No, I’m afraid we certainly do not worship the same God.
No, we don’t all “worship the same God.”
Geesh!
I only worship Christ, the Son of God.
Luke 4:8 in the Bible says, “You shall worship the Lord your God and serve only Him”. In this verse, Jesus responds to Satan by saying that it is written, “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve”.
Matthew 7: 14[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way,
which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Well, no actually we don’t. That’s actually an OLD heresy!
Some god, not same God.
With accusations usually comes some modicum of proof. Where is yours?
Vance V1.0 quotes on candidate and President Trump:
“I’m a Never Trump guy.”
“My god, what an idiot.”
“America’s Hitler”
“Cynical asshole like Nixon”
“Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.”
“I can’t stomach Trump.”
“I think there’s a chance, if I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning, that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.”
thank you for posting those…people need to see what he said…he didn’t just disagree with DJT’s policies…the man had TDS…he must have found the elusive cure that so many need…he should share with Morning Mika….
you thank someone for posting what the media said a man said. First of all maybe he did say those things so what? One thing I know for certain is I have said things in my lifetime that were taken out of context based on not having enough information to form my own opinion! It happens all the time. we have all come this far perhaps its time to stop judgement until all the true facts rise to the surface. People have free will and can change their minds at anytime!
Wow, not sure what has happened in the Treehouse lately but not sure I have been blasted as many times as I have in the past week….I thought this was a site for questioning and probing and using our critical thinking skills? things must be changing here…
I am sorry I came across that way I truly am. you could be 100 percent correct. I have no idea what is going on. After reading information from many sources I don’t know what I don’t know. I would love to believe there is someone out there who has the same agenda to push America further down the road with integrity, honesty, and truth ! It will play itself out that’s for certain. Thank you Michele M !
J.D.is NOT someone I would have chosen to be VP.
We’re voting for Trump but not happy about J.D..
“The Ides of March have come.”
“Aye, Caesar, but not gone.”
So, everybody that’s been red-pilled are not welcome?
well maybe he said those things many of us say things in the heat of the moment! that being said we are all guilty of something we said somewhere along the line. No one is a perfect human being. None of us are on this earth to be liked or admired and if we are good luck with that. we have a job to do get on with it. This world can live in peace !
JDV 2021
“Like a lot of people, I criticized Trump back in 2016,” Vance said. “And I ask folks not to judge me based on what I said in 2016, because I’ve been very open that I did say those critical things and I regret them, and I regret being wrong about the guy. I think he was a good president, I think he made a lot of good decisions for people, and I think he took a lot of flak.”
Vance added that he himself had been criticized for standing up for the former president’s voters and agenda, saying, “I think that’s the most important thing, is not what you said five years ago, but whether you’re willing to stand up and take the heat and take the hits for actually defending the interests of the American people.”
When Vance said he and his opponent had one thing in common, both not vote for Trump………read in context, that is only thing……Vance went onto change his mind, think for himself, and get to know PDJT personally.
Oh please. False god? Really? Are the gods of all the other religions false as well? Jeepers.
Yes
Who in your eyes is he pretending to be? I knew nothing about him however, after his acceptance speech I like him. He is an honest man, a man who cares, a good man! Senator Vance is honest and can relate to people of all ages and after four more years the united states needs honest hard working respectful people who listen to the people and move this nation forward imo! So many are so quick to judge when honestly imo there are people who will never be without criticism! It’s time to move forward! President Trump has always given people the opportunity to show themselves and in the end they do, always.
You knew nothing about him but, after a scripted campaign speech you know he is honest?
There is no way that anyone remotely politically inclined could not have known who and what Evan McMullin and Hillary Clinton were in 2016. Was he lying then, or now? Or just pre-programmed?
“So ultimately I think I’ll probably vote third party. I might vote for this new guy who I really like, Evan McMullin, who I actually met the other day. But I think that I’m going to vote third party because I can’t stomach Trump. I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.
If I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning, that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.”
https://www.npr.org/2016/08/17/490328484/hillbilly-elegy-recalls-a-childhood-where-poverty-was-the-family-tradition
I’ve voted for all the Republican losers since 1984. I was a never-Trumper and shared those sentiments about Trump in 2016. The past 8 years have shown me the error of my ways. I’ll vote for Trump/Vance enthusiastically. Many people changed their minds.
lots of interesting stuff going on in the TreeHouse lately….I don’t think I have seen as many people knee jerkingly loving up on someone so quickly in a while…and jumping on those who turn a skeptical eye…..
I support DJT’s choice for a whole number of practical reasons. Foremost because it’s who he selected for crying out loud. One has to assume due diligence and a number of other feedback loops/considerations factored into the process.
Strawman terminology – “loving up”. Good to see you aren’t immune to the same fulsome rhetoric!
Knee jerk? I don’t think so. Someone disagrees with your choices ipso facto consigns them to the knee jerk bin? You are blessed with deeper insights and first hand intelligence? I don’t think so.
Guess what? The decision has been made. We’re all going to have to live with it. Better to guide it than attack it. There are ways to fence in the politics.
I was tempted to post more biting retorts. But what’s the point? Just a few days after an assassination attempt I’m more interested in picking up the hand that has been dealt and working to a winning end game.
You do realize you are attacking other Trump supporters? I can see reasonable disagreement. But this passive aggressive nonsense?
you are certainly entitled to your opinion. For me he came across as a genuine relatable person. He has a lot going for him imo. ” There is no way that anyone remotely politically inclined could not have known who and what Evan McMullin and Hillary Clinton were in 2016. Was he lying then, or now? Or just pre-programmed?” …what does that even mean?
You reached all of those conclusions after hearing just one pre-scripted speech?
“President Trump has always given people the opportunity to show themselves and in the end they do, always.”
Yep, and therein lies the problem.
The lion is passing the torch to the cub. Vance is only 39 years. He resonates with common, working class folks who have never had a seat at the table. He resonates with the addicted, the broken families, those without hope. Neither Trump or Vance are perfect, but I have never had so much hope.
Kennedy did not pick LBJ.
Reagan did not pick Bush.
Trump did not pick Pence.
The day after surviving a deepstate assignation attempt, Vance is on as VP.
Connect the dots.
I am sick of reading the computer whining. Today we should be celebrating so much and instead this thread is filled with whiners. At what point do they reach acceptance and start doing more than complain?
PDJT almost died on Saturday. Instead of gratitude and joy that the MAGA movement almost died with him we have a thread full of whiners complaining that they wanted sparkling water instead of tap water.
The deepstate and its mockingbird media want us to believe Vance was Trump’s “pick”. Vance is an empty shell, recently reprogrammed from “orange man bad” to MAGA.
I, for one, find it absolutely impossible to pretend Vance isn’t a product of the same Uniparty(R) that tried to foist Romney, Haley, Ramaswamy and deSantis on us.
Sundance points out the signposts. Ignore the trolls pointing the other way.
Maybe the newcomers to MAGA did a turnabout, they infiltrated their camp. Maybe all the gaming will come to an end and we can just get on with life, and not pay so much attention to politics like in the old days.
I am hopeful that JD is as honest and driven by where he came from as he presents himself. He was one of the only people (with PDJT) to show up after the toxic blast that washed over Palisade OH. That action was against the interests of the Power Brokers.
The Uniparty has the ability of corrupting every firebrand that gets elected to DC unless the have a quest for something other than power. Their internal guardrails have to be permanent and unmovable. PDJT is incorruptible by DC and sees them for who they are because he has flirted with that corruption and decided he won’t live that way.
It seems JD is likewise crafted by where he came from and who raised him. MaMa’ was the force that crafted his life.. Do you really believe he will risk a Drive By from her angelic auto?
‘MaMa’ should be ‘MeMaw.’ Friends from Arkansas have a MeMaw. She’s the grandmother. Great grandmother is Granny. I love hearing her adult grandchildren calling her that. Pure love.
On Hannity today, Don Jr said that PTrump was kind of thinking about it not being
Vance and Junior intervened…
I trust Trump, and just to make sure everyone knows, we are headed for the BIGGEST economic crash in US history. Nothing can stop it, not even Trump, so use the 4 years you will be blessed with to prepare yourself. Self sufficiency is the way to go.
Property prices will crater, but can only be snapped up by those who are out of debt.
Living within your means and debt free, is true freedom.
All of the Democrats schemes and scams will come to fruition as soon as Trump takes over.
‘Nothing can stop it’…
Verily, verily,
What you know, and what you think you know, are as disparate as zero and absolute zero.
Trust God. Fear not.
It’s really very simple math.
We love our best, and we don’t like our best saying we are going to be kinder and gentler. I suspect that is coming.
Our best politicians cave. That’s what we’re worried about.
“Come on Man” The guy’s not wearing his flag pin.
consider ther is a pattern we need to be looking for, not one incident
Lol!
Yes, yes, and yes.
The criticisms of Vance are only a problem if people are using them as a reason to not vote for Trump. If people (like myself) are voting for Trump regardless of his VP pick, then we’re good.
You don’t seem to notice Trump didn’t announce a VP not mentioned in the press as he stared @10:00 am (I think that time is right.) Instead the RNC upstaged his pick by announcing the cabal pick before Trump could make his announcement.
Maybelline Vance was in every fake media discussion.
We have great reason to question. They just tried to murder Trump on live TV.
I showed up at a corporate meeting one morning without my company lapel pin. When asked why I didn’t have it, I answered “I forgot to remove if from my pajamas this morning.”
Comrade, You have channeled my Corporate Experience as well, though I liked most of my associates the Pogroms from the ChairPerson were Insane BS / propaganda. I can only imagine the Internal Shiat flowing in the Feral Coupist USSA Grub-Mint.
Their/Them’s External Excrement is bad enough…………
Good answer! 🙂
Good speech. He is better at a faster speed. He needs to learn to speed up his delivery.
JD’s flag lapel is as nice as Ben Carson’s.
It was not an impressive speech. He played way too much to the crowd, pausing and pointing to the audience and waiting for responses to his applause lines.
Also, I got the impression he was not running for VP of the USA, but for VP of Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. How many times did he mention those four states? It was calculated and obvious.
So, reading into what Sundance has been saying about the unfortunate awfulness of this choice (we could have had Ben Carson, dammit!), we should be happy and grateful than Donald Trump is still alive; we can be happy if he wins the election; but there is no hope for our nation beyond 2028, because we are so royally screwed then either way.
Do I have it right?
The rust belt is important. JD’s appeal in the area contributed to him being picked as VP. It is likely he will spend most of his time campaigning there.
Way way too many flags on this pick…
That is because that is why Trump selected him. He is from the depths of the rust belt and he will know how to help Trump make gains among the long time labor union crowd in that area. He has been assigned to focus on those four States because they are close enough races and have a lot of electoral votes among them. Notice he is forgetting about Indiana and Illinois because Indiana is solid Repug and Chicago is solidly Communist controlled. Trump can focus on other States where he needs to be in order to run the table, which I believe he can do. This is how VPs are usually selected. Plus Vance is a very good at debates and Kamala will be no match for Vance in the VP debate. But I think extra security will be needed for PDJT because, if he wins the House and the Senate decisively, the 4th branch will keep trying to eliminate him.
I realize all that. So, he’s good at debates? I hope he’s a lot better at debating than he is at speechmaking.
Remembering who else was a “speechmaker.” How well did that serve us?
No comparison. J.D. Vance is a GOP VP candidate. He played to the crowd. He milked his applause lines. He never addressed his “conversion” from neverTrumpism in his speech. You like the guy as a candidate, great. So does Ben Shapiro. So does Charlie Kirk. So, I guess we’re good then.
Vance is bringing in tech money as well.
It will be interesting to me to see how a man from Vance’s background and his relative new comer status in Washington will shape his future with Trump.
I thought Ben Carson gave a more compelling speech. Ben Carson is older and wiser. I wouldn’t wish a political life on anyone.
Tech companies and billionaires are starting to line up behind Trump, e.g., Musk moving his X companies to TX.
They have no choice.
Bidet is a disaster and they know it.
minor correction – BigTech money bought Vance
We would have been much happier with Dr. Ben Carson as his VP choice.
Vance’s wife reminds me of Prince Harry’s wife … J.D. is still trying to figure out who he is, values and beliefs. Her being a Hindu, has already made him int a vegetarian. She has a lot of pull over him. She was a Demoncrapper until 2014.
I know vegetarians, he may like his veggies but body mass indicates he still eats meat and potatoes, maybe when his wife isn’t looking.
His wife gives me Paul Ryan wife vibes
Ben Carson is a vegetarian, too, as are most Seventh Day Adventists.
How bout abolish the labor unions. Why pander to them.
Better to try to work with them, but, if companies would treat and value employees a lot better, unions would fall by the wayside. E.g., why does the CEO of Boeing get compensated by over $30 million annually? He doesn’t own the company. Why do many, many CxOs get paid exorbitant amounts of money? Most are no smarter than the people who do the everyday work.
I was fortunate to have been in the executive suite for a short while during my career. The money was great but I was glad when it was over. Another company bought us out. Some of the decisions I saw being made by other executives were just pathetic and incredibly stupid and ignorant. The egos were huge.
I am retired now and glad of it. The huge salaries started in the late 1970s and early 1980s with all the hedge fund and junk bond crap. That’s when company and loyalty were abandoned. Look at what IBM did in the 1990s, the unthinkable happened: thousands were laid off.
https://www.marketplace.org/2016/06/13/profit-ibm/
Companies focused on the market and shareholder value, not employees or customers. Look at where we are today.
My company was bought out and all the execs were fired. On the last day on his job, our President gave everyone a 15% raise. There was nothing the new company could do about it quickly. The next day our new VP called everyone into a mandatory meeting and the first words out of his vile mouth was “if it’s the last thing I do, I will take that f’ing 15% raise out of your asses”. He did. No one got a raise for years. Corporate America sucks. I’m happily retired from the MIC.
Not just the Rust Belt (I used to live in PA and OH) but all the other states that have lost thousands of mfg companies and millions of mfg jobs. Bring those back and we will be on our way to being a self-sufficient country again.
How will PDJT make gains in the rest belt unless the manufacturing is brought back to this country?
Tulsi Gabbard would be my pick
No. She is far more progressive than she lets on.
Yes, she is. Up until 2014, she was a registered Demoncrapper.
Her husband running for office was the first time she voted Republican.
Not thrilled about J.D. or his wife.
No.
Let us remember that our nation is on the line, and we must win in November.
To me it is very simple, President Trump believes JD and Usha give us the best chance of winning.
Be thankful.
Another IC pick in the WH is going to help-how ???once the baton has been won.
Exactly.
Seems to me Tucker Carlson said he likes JDV because JDV is hated by all the right people.
That counts for quite a bit with me.
Kubuki theater.
Usha? So now we’re voting for a presidential candidate based upon his VP pick’s wife??
A new generation mentored by President Trump. I like it for now and for the future.
Agree. We, at the Treehouse, thought there are many wise, too often are critical and negative.
Frankly, I loved Vance’s speech and the connection with his mother. Can we give the man a chance.
The fact that he was comfortable speaking about his mother’s addiction and introduced her showed that he is not ashamed of his background. Then at the end, he brought out many extended family members from the region that he grew up.
With 100,000 a year dying from drugs, mostly fentanyl, opening up about this silent epidemic in his own family and bringing them on stage was smart.
Totally agree. I lost my son to fentanyl two years ago. If I had known the extent of his problem, I would have done everything in my power to help him, but he was too ashamed to seek help. We must remove the shame. I was pleased that Vance was open about it.
God bless his mom, but I so distrust this guy that I wouldn’t put it past those who really selected him, to get out in front of the media with that story.
My favorite speeches were the private citizens but you had to watch CSPAN to get it all. Fox was too busy interviewing has beens like Karl Rove et cal. What’s the deal with FOX? I quit watching it about the time Rino Ryan joined the board. They are pretty filled up with Bushies on their panels. They need to get moving ahead with the new republicans. BTW Loved the Gold Star Families, the elderly WWII vet and the military vets. Really touched my heart.
C-SPAN was perfect. No media talking heads with worthless opinions. I don’t need anyone to tell me what I heard. Straight video of the convention.
No talking heads but the callers before the convention started were certainly trolls, calling Trump supporters a cult, the 2025 agenda, etc. Three callers in a row, one started where the other one left off. paid operatives, I then turned to YouTube’s RSBN where the sound quality was much better.
Why is my family not gold star? I obey the laws, pay taxes, love my country.
F all the special classes and special treatment. Dont you understand this is
part of the problem.
Do you understand what is meant by “gold star family?”
Gold star families are those who have had a family member, who was currently serving in the military, die. I’m sure all of them, including my family, would be delighted not to have that “status.”
At least on Fox we didn’t have to hear Kimberly Guilfoyle scream for 15 minutes.
FAUX news is not a news source we take seriously for news.
Why didn’t FAUX let her speak and CENSOR her out?
Why censor her?
You just exposed FAUX news and your own bias.
They are a$$es that’s why.
Mr. Bill mouth.
Sundance, you are probably the best investigative writer I have had the pleasure of following but I think your radar if off completely on JD Vance. I also have a great track record of political predictions going back to the 1960’s and from my observations into JD I believe that he does believe in the America First agenda.
Ben Carson is a wonderful man but he seems fairly frail to me and wouldn’t be able to endure much past a four year term as VP so where would he be for the future?
Nope
Someone is “upset” that there’s no FLAG PIN being sported about on a lapel ???
I’m no ‘fan-boy” of JD Vance, but while I’m USN retired, I’ve never worn a “flag pin” on any lapel when serving my Country for 30+ years — military or civvie’ street. Could the lack of a flag lapel pin make me “less than patriotic” if that’s what the inference was intended to convey … ??
MY GOD !!! The horror … THE HUMANITY !!!
I just wish JD would cease and desist with the “my childhood was marked by poverty and abuse” and “I’m a USMC Vet” talk. We all (most of us, anyway) had rough times growing up and while serving in the US military; some more than others. Get over it, JD.
But while in the Marines, JD was a “combat correspondent” which is the functional equivalent of an enlisted PAO officer. That’s an “Admiral John Kirby” kinda’ job. JD for all the “I’m a Vet” talk, was not a “tip-of-the-spear” infantry Marine or trigger-puller kinda’ guy …
So why don’t we focus instead on things that matter — like saving the Country — instead of what’s on an individual’s lapel ??
I more or less agree with you. I also agree with your “pointy end of the spear” thought with one caveat. Once in theatre in whatever capacity one becomes a target. I had a friend, former mil, who took a contractor job that led him to Iraq. He’s in a conversation with a few soldiers that included “trained” tribal converts. He walks away from the conversation when called by someone. The tribal convert explodes a hidden IED and everyone in the group moves on to meet their maker. Once in theatre, the risks amplify for everyone IMO.
Capt_Aloha, thank you for your service.
Yeah, I’ve lived through the Gender card, the Race card, and now the “Military card”. I’m pretty much all filled up on it all.
Mostly I applaud your comment, but I would like to add this thought. I’m old, slow, and walk with such a limp that I could never be a warrior. I’d never claim to be, and I don’t think, were I to be in any kind of battle situation at all, that I’d come away seeking glory or credit, or to look like a soldier.
But you know what, I could feed those soldiers. Give me halfway decent provisions and I could turn out the best meals they could get with what I had. I could reload, stack ammo, give out water, and do what some medic told me to do, probably just fetch and carry.
I could comfort the wounded and pray with and for the dying.
And all those things, humble and most certainly never being the tip of the spear, would make stronger that tip. I’d be content.
And from your comments, you seem to be exactly the “type” with the heart, courage, and compassion we need to “have our backs” … and thanks.
Snarky (no) lapel flag pin comment is the big takeaway from this? Sounds like somebody just fell out of the treehouse. Can we get back to having honest conversation about meaningful issues?
Try the daily thread & if that is not to your liking I have a feeling that Politico has a few articles you might like.
We all have the right to our feelings and opinions.
What I am seeing is people like you all criticizing Treepers then showing us Why one should support Vance.
Three young children, a wife probably nervous, your family is all there, you are getting ready to make your speech of a lifetime in front of millions so you forget your flag lapel pin. OMG how petty!! Knock it off!
We all have freedom of speech, and that is one of the great things about our country. But I think the attacks on Vance on this site are ridiculous. Give the guy a freaking chance. Yes he said some nasty things years ago, but Donald Trump has forgiven him. Why can’t others do the same? Would you rather have Pence? Kamala?
I completely understand the hesitance, given we’ve been burned before. But maybe a few minutes of unity for this ticket would be nice.
Thank you for expressing my sentiments exactly. An echo chamber where no grace is afforded people to change, grow, or learn from past mistakes is not a healthy place to reside. Many committed supporters of Trump need to learn from his example of extending grace to those who need it but maybe (to our thinking) don’t deserve it. Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley were both on stage this week – and the earth was not shattered.
Trump is a special person, like his DIL Lara said “he sees things in people they don’t see in themselves.”
I wish I could be more like him but I’m just a commoner.
Rush was slow to get on the Trump train also. The boost in the people voting for Trump from 2016 to now is in the multi-millions. People change. Reagan and Trump were Democrats at one time.
I get it…you’re not a Vance fan. Get over it.
They can’t.
Pence wore a flag pin on his lapel and his Christianity on his sleeve. How’d that work out?
Anyone who’s not afraid to get on an elevator with a woman, is an upgrade IMO.
Of the 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Where is everybody today?
I am to the point of being grateful that that stiff Mike Pence was not on the stage this week. Remember how excited we all were when that piece of stiff cardboard was our VP candidate? That brought the ticket to a self made billionaire and a multi millionaire, fake Christian, fake America first stiff who never knew how to smile. But hey, he wore a flag pin. Remember his sour faced, sullen wife? But somehow, we were all happy with that choice.
At least JD Vance brings some life to the VP office and to the stage. He engaged with the audience in the room and at home. He smiled and laughed. His wife had a smile that lit up a room like Melania Trump’s does. His story is an inspiring one of the journey from poverty to VP candidate. He is young and will appeal to younger voters rather than the traditional RINO strategy of putting up two older men as their choice. Vance leapfrogged right over the RINO way of being picked by their Stab Americans First pool of choices and has upset the Good Ole Boys network.
This brings the MAGA ticket to a self made, bad*ss, billionaire, who will save the nation, who disappointed Plouffe by rising again, who understands that this cannot end in 2028, that it is for all of the marbles, and is sacrificing so much for Americans AND a young man who rose from poverty, served in the military, college, law school, and the Senate.
If we want to OVERWHELM the vote then we have to bring in non-typical MAGA voters. We have to peel off votes from people who are of the working class, government money dependent class, union workers, non union workers, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, young men, mothers, fathers, the Steel Belt, the Oil Belt, the American Manufacturing Belt, and more. Now is not the time to ignore these people.
PDJT is taking voters from the RINOs and the commie dems thus making the Uniparty bird extinct. Isn’t that our goal? He only has 4 more years to kill the corrupt system and relegate these monsters to the pit of hell.
When Mike Pence was VP his office was cloistered and closed off from Team MAGA Trump. That was how he was able to shiv PDJT. With Vance, he will have a friend and buddy, DTJJr being there and monitoring him. Don Jr will probably be an advisor as well. We now have a Trump in the office of the vice presidency. That is more than we had with the stiff Pence. Vance witnessed how we turned on Pence and now hate him. He does not want that to happen to him. If MAGA becomes the system then he will have to be MAGA to survive within the system.
In the meantime, I want to be grateful that PDJT, through the Grace of Almighty God, survived an assassination attempt. Now he really wants Retribution. I am not going to complain about lack of flag pins when I saw Bush, McCain, Romney, Ryan and all of the other RINOs wear flag pins.
If you believe that God spared PDJT on Saturday then you have to believe that God is guiding PDJT into putting the right people into the right place for His purposes. If God is doing His work then stop griping about JD Vance. Saturday should have shown you that God is in charge.
I was once spared from being kidnapped, raped, and murdered because my car wouldn’t start. If my car had started then this monster would have followed me in his van until the right rear tire went flat. He had put a gigantic nail in that tire. I was in a ragtop convertible. My car did not start so I called my dad to come get me. Forty minutes later my dad showed up and this man in the van immediately drove away. Even my dad saw the van leaving and he also saw the nail in the tire. God spared me. If you don’t think that changes a person then you have no idea how PDJT feels. I still cry in gratitude 40 years later.
God is in charge. PDJT KNOWS that God is present in his life. Look at the bigger picture.
Amen!!
Thank you, the armchair, computer keyboard whining is getting very tiring. It is like listening to toddlers STILL throwing a tantrum 3 days after you told them that they do not get what they want. Good grief. We are supposed to be adults who can handle disappointments. Vance is not 100% horrible. Is he 100% MAGA? I do not know.
Here it is Thursday and they are still griping. Hurry up and get to “Acceptance”. Then go figure out how you can keep Vance in the MAGA lane if you are so concerned about this choice.
So long as Ad Rem doesn’t toss us off the site, we still get to express our opinions here.
Even if those opinions differ from your own.
Yes. You are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to be weary of the whining. Free speech goes both ways. You do not have to like my speech and I do not have to like your speech.
I never advocated for AdRem to remove the whiney comments. Go right ahead and express your opinions. I will continue to express my opinion that the whining is very wearying to me. I have the right to do so.
I am entitled to say that. I am bored with the whining but carry on and whine all day if you want to. Maybe take a week or two to whine about it.
Your opinions did not indicate that you are advocating for anyone to be tossed off the site. I didn’t take it that way at all. Of course, I’m advocating a cautious wait and see attitude as well, so maybe biased.
Thank you, Menagerie.
Some people have the misconception that Free Speech means that they can say what they want to say and no one can criticize, dislike, or roll their eyes at it.
The poster to whom I responded seems to think that I am bothered by their right to free speech. Contrary. I am exercising my right to not like their speech and be bored with it AND THEN publicly saying so.
I did not make personal attacks unless you think that me being weary of hearing your same speech over and over again to the point of boredom is an “attack”.
Preach it! The perfect comment. I saw a lot of miracles on the stage last night.
Loud prayers continues for PDT and VPJDV.
Amen! I questioned Vance due to Sundance’s excellent concerns. BUT after watching Carson and Vance speak, there is NO WAY that Carson would add anything to the ticket.
After doing a bit of research on Vance, I now believe that he is the perfect choice. He will bring many new voters (young, Union, tech, etc.) into MAGA. He will (already has) brought many new dollars into the campaign. He will hammer home the globalist outsourcing attack on Americans. He will bring at least allow another communication site (X) to NOT censor MAGA supporters. Taken together, this greatly improves Trump chances of winning the election (too big to rig). After all, if Trump doesn’t win, who cares who the VP choice was! Does Carson or Vance give Trump a better chance of winning?
Let’s assume the worst. Vance is deep state. Do you think that he is going to let rural American jobs be outsourced? Do you think he is going to allow drugs to still come over the border? Do you think he will put America last? Funny thing, even if deep state, once installed as President in 2028, the power of the Presidency will weaken the influence of the deep state over him (example – Biden). Many of the goals of Trump’s MAGA are inherently built into Vance. I stand convinced.
Finally, do you really think the Trump is unaware of Sundance’s criticisms of Vance?
I was with you regarding Vance as well. Back then he was barely over 30, he was childless, and he had not become a Catholic/Christian.
Now he has his children’s future to think about. He has looked around at the Rust Belt where he and his family have lived for generations and sees the world through the eyes of an adult who wants to leave his children, their friends, his extended family, and neighbors a better world. His extended family has been buried in a cemetery for 7 generations. But these globalists want to pretend that Americans have no roots to this land and need to be replaced by outsiders. He finally understands.
Becoming a Catholic has allowed him to see Good versus Evil on a God versus Satan level.
I was a young idiot once who voted for Clinton/Gore because “maybe they can save the planet”. That was as far as my thinking went.
As a father I am sure that he sees how the Uniparty has allowed the middle and working classes to be gutted. He probably sees his friends from high school being destroyed by the “global economy”.
I think that PDJT is aware of the criticisms of Vance. But he is smart enough to know who is a snake and who is not. We did not sit in on the interviews of potential candidates. We were not there for the brainstorming.
We now have the SCOTUS decision making the President the sole occupant of the Executive Branch. What a delightful and wonderful purging of the bureaucracies this will be in the first 60 days of his presidency.
We have been conditioned into accepting this boot on our necks, our jobs being outsourced to foreign nations, being relegated to third class human being citizens in our own nation, and them making our lives more and more miserable and difficult that we cannot see how it can possibly be better. That is how they want us to be.
We have been in an abusive relationship with our government. They have destroyed our spirit, our strength, and our ability to see a way out of the abuse.
Thank Almighty God for PDJT. I cannot wait to see what he does to these demons next year.
Virtual hands clapping gif here!
To be perfectly honest, I was a never Trumper when he first started running for office. I thought his first debate was terrible. Didn’t seem to understand the subject matter, just called people names, insulted their spouses, etc. I thought, surely this man has the resources to get up to speed before the 2nd debate. No, same as the first, name calling and insults. It was Billary that got me to vote for Trump. When she said anyone who supported him was deplorable, I said ‘sign me up’. Much like what JD says, his presidency won me over in a big way. In spite of both parties, the media, and the deep state working against him he still managed to have an incredible presidency. I went from never Trumper to solid supporter…it can happen. It appears it’s happening all over the country.
A virtual unknow to most in America until picked as a candidate
Not even on full term in the Senate.
Already has a published book about his life out there.
Graduated from one of the biggest ivy league colleges
Very critical of the Trump administration
Oh my who does this remind you of.
Pretty close to everyone in DC.
Also pretty close to everyone in 2015.
I Trust Trump. Completely. He watched the theft in the industrial states in 2020. He worked his tail off to help those manufacturing states and then he watched Biden wreck his heartfelt efforts. He’s taking a deep breath and going for the fix. Again. And Vance is going to be his point guy in this important work to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Those states will respond to Vance’s story. Those states may hear that story and bring the votes to overwhelm the steal. Those states COULD make the difference in Trump’s election. So I Trust Trump.
Completely.
That used to be the case around here.
Apparently not now.
I trust that President Trump has “advice and advisement” from ALL angles…..as does ANYONE serving our country in the highest echelon……much of it we are aware of (because it’s made public), alot of it private – that which we will NEVER know about for a myriad of reasons. He lead us to a good place in 2016 and, until the 2020 election was stolen from us, navigated some pretty big mountains (COVID) and ALOT of BS (Russia, Russia, Russia+). We NEVER would have survived these 4 years of Biden had he not girded our loins. I do believe, and I pray daily, that JD Vance is a cog in the magnificent wheel he is putting together for us to rise again. He did it once, he will do it again….I think Saturday was proof that the Lord is not done with PDJT, or any of us, yet!!!
Vance has been given an opportunity to succeed, let’s hope he takes full advantage. Every day is a job interview.
On “never Trumping”, he may not owe an apology, but a good explanation would be nice. Tell me about the change and your path forward.
On lapel pins and fake hillbillies, the only jewelry a man should wear is a wedding ring. He may have been poor white trash, but he made a decision to transition, working that out is the effort of a lifetime. Time will tell.
P.S I’m suspicious of everybody, all the time, don’t mean I’m right.
Yea….when he idled up to the lectern one of my initial thoughts was “explain your previous positions” – your about face. Then, it occurred to me, that this is not the place for that. The speakers on the third day fall toward the top of the list for the “messaging” the Party Presidential candidate wants for stage setting. No distractors. No exploitable content. Keep the good vibes rolling as the saying goes.
If there are VP debates, you can dang well bet a hostile media will confront Vance with this line of questioning. But for the moment, the priority is cohesion, highlighting the candidate’s primary themes, no distractions/internal feuds in the open.
Symbolism is powerful, but always according to the content that it represents.
So if you asked me, in a serious discussion, “Do you believe in the United States?” I might ask for a qualifier: Which do you mean: as in “the United States is…” or “the United States are…?”
If you asked me, in a serious discussion, “Do you believe in America?” I might ask for a qualifier: Do you mean the current brand, or the historic idea?
In our lifetimes, the American flag has been used as political cover by unelected, unresponsive agencies to commit atrocities and assert financial control over other free peoples–policies that are in absolute contradiction to our founding principles and documents.
I’m the proud son of a WW2 Marine who put his life on the line on Guam and Okinawa. The nation he fought for exists now only in small communities, most usually in pockets of geographic isolation and attitudes of resistance, and in cyber communities of the like-minded–via a network of communication we do not control.
The USA, as a geo-political nation, is an artifact of history to the global financial powers who relate to the world as one whole, dealing with oligarchies and global corporations as the powers that be. Political powers and national agencies are merely tools of enforcement, or inconveniences to be discarded as soon as feasible.
When the larger economic picture is considered, we have to admit that we are once again being “taxed” without representation.
I always purchase American flag stamps, having reverted back to cash and mailing checks to pay my bills. As with those stamps, IMHO, if you’re going to wear an American flag lapel pin today, it only stands for truth when affixed upside down.
I believe in the country and the concept of the United States as the Founding Fathers envisioned it in the Constitution. The brainwashing of a lot of people by leftists in higher education and the media has turned many people against the original idea of this country. That has to change. Trump is the man that can lead the start of that change.
19 loaded handguns, huh?
Exactly 19?
Who knew hillbillies could speak in numerology too.
🤔
And yet Pythagoras influenced later thinkers like Kepler, Newton and Copernicus.
I agree though. We all know the exact number was six guns.
How do you know the tooth brush was invented in West Virginia?
Can we please, please stop nit-picking about stuff like lapel pins?
I rarely if ever wear any sort of Trump gear, flag pin, red-white-and-blue clothing or anything like that. But I am a patriot right down to the bones.
Vance is the VP pick. He was not my first choice. Will I criticize him between now and the election?
HELL NO I WILL NOT.
We want to win, right? Or do we want our way or the highway?
I have adjusted my thinking on this, if only momentarily.
Maybe President Trump can straighten this dude up and make something out of him instead of a weak author and do-nothing Senator.
I have seen President Trump land crazier backflips than this in impeccable style. So we will see what happens.
I pray Dr. Carson is appointed to a Senior Advisory role and spends four years with unfettered access to President Trump’s ear and 3/4.
LOVED the Ear and 3/4!
One of the most uninspiring speeches I’ve seen.
Transference of accomplishments is ladened thick in his speech
He will not be the 2028 nominee
He spoke of the USA as if she was somewhere else and not right below his feet.
For me the speech did not feel right–The speech didn’t really seem like he knew what was going on the average American or even America for that matter.
I have tried to like Vance, but I am getting the feeling, no its I have the feeling that Vance is a part of some crazy deal with the GOP elitists. You know the GOP enlists who still stand behind people like Cheney, Bush and Romney just to name a few.
Hey Trump is not perfect, in fact none of us are. for Christ who died for our sins was the only perfect person to walk this earth. However I have a feeling that I can’t get rid of that we are not voting for the same President Trump who solidly fearlessly stood his ground without wheeling and dealing with those who threaten America and Americans. My gut says something has changed about Trump, but I can’t pinpoint it. Maybe Trump has been worn down from all the crap thrown at him, but he is not the same man who was President in 2017 to 2020l!
I think President Trump’s resolve is the same as it was in 2015..taking America away from the globalists and giving it back to the American people.
I think putting JD Vance up as VP is dangerous for President Trump, but, at the same time it works to nullify JD Vance..see Nikki Hailey example, see Meatball example, see the Turtle example, see Ladybugs Graham example..
President Trump knows he’s dealing with Demons all around him.
Put on the full armor of God every day.
Very interesting how Sundance throws out a relatively minor aside about a flag pin, and a bunch of accounts appear attacking him or defending Vance while totally ignoring Don Jr.
It’s almost like Sundance did that intentionally, knowing he would expose something much more important…
What did Sundance expose, do tell?
Has the Mean Stream Media gone after JD’s mother yet? That was a moment when here he is being nominated Vice President of the United States and he congratulates her for being 10 yrs. sober. WOW!
An American moment if ever there was one. Proves a good mind can develop anywhere.
I watched his speech last night and was not impressed. The best thing about his speech when he was talking about his wife and his MAMAW. Anyone find it weird that no one was talking about the fact that liberal Hollywood director made a movie about his book with a uber liberal actress playing his grandma until now? IF you all knew that and it was just me who didn’t know the book was made into a movie by those people, my bad. Did the people involved in the making of the film know what JD believe or his party affiliation? My guess is if they did the film wouldn’t have been made.
Anyone think it is just a coincidence that Trump was shot the same week he was about to officially become the GOP nominee and the same week he picked Vance?
Vance was a NeverTrumper when the book came out and still on the fence when the movie was made.
Apparently, now liberals who loved him are throwing his book in the trash. And Obama comrade Van Jones called him ” a dangerous virus.”
Vance,I think, was not the majority of conservatives first choice. But who knows? People can surprise you. Sometimes, they evolve into real leaders.
I just want President Trump to take his rightful place at 1600 in November.
Lots of Leftists wear USA flag pins externally on their clothes
while
harboring a hammer-and-sickle-red-flag internally in that cold stone where a heart should be.
The reason we love Trump: he fights. He fights back. He puts it right back on the attacker.
Trump set the fight bar pretty high, especially last weekend.
Probably not fair to measure others to that standard.
We are so tired of loser Rinos, lying Leftists and the whole Uniparty. Trump came on the scene and skewered them all.
That’s why we love him.
Best speeches so far are the Everyday Americans. So glad for that. The D-Day veteran was bigly terrific.
We are between and rock and a hard place. Trump was nearly taken away from his family and the presidency. There is no plan B gang.
The mark of a good manager is someone who is willing to make the tough decisions and who is right 80% of the time.
Donald Trump has made his decision and it’s more likely his choice for VP will fall on the 80% side as opposed to the 20% side.
And if it doesn’t turn out that way, the rank and file of the MAGA movement will sort it all out in 2028.
We have two daunting tasks immediately ahead of us: mobilize huge numbers of Trump voters and prevent the 2024 election from being stolen.
Let’s put our focus back on where it belongs and move forward with the truly important work which now has to be done.
I’m surprised but not shocked that he isn’t wearing an American flag pin, plus he was in the military.
Un-American to say the least. Maybe he forgot his Vivek pin?
Sundance, you can’t blame Don Jr for recommending Vance.
President Trump decided to pick Vance.
Vance can be just a paper pusher with some crayons if President Trump becomes The 47th President of the United States of America 🇺🇸
Trump 2024
“President Trump decided to pick Vance.”
Well, some of us are concerned that he did not.
Flag Pin ? Now questioning Jr’s Patriotism? You’re going to stir up the mockingbirds.
Not that it matters but recalling VP John Garner’s comment of his job; not being worth more than a bucket of spit. The comment was actually bucket of piss. Interesting this man hailed from Uvalde Texas.
Vance will have 4 years to convince us all that he deserves the mantel to carry on for MAGA. Other’s will be willing to step up if he is not capable.
I will wait and see about Mr. JD Vance. I was very very wrong when I thought a “good” Christian like Judas Pence wouldn’t be a sleazy politician but he is. My entire thinking about people has really changed since this Covid lie. What has surprised me so much are those that I thought would never line up to take the poison clot shot did. So many people I thought I knew but I was wrong. My own family members. How sad.
Good grief, Sundance. You are obsessing about a flag pin? What are you, in 6th grade? I am sorry that only a few people in the world can grasp let alone match what you think is the only way to view facts, especially about Trump, and likely have no first-hand knowledge of his motivations or reasons for his decisions other than wild inference. Are you now going to be like Matt Walsh and mewl like a NeverTrumper about how the Republican Party and MAGA movement doesn’t comport to your delicate feng shui political sentiments?
You sure read a lot into an simple observation. Maybe its just the end of a string to follow.
Respect to Sundance. I adore him. Same as I adore Trump. Listen to them both. Make my own judgements. Don’t have to agree with either of them 100 percent to still ADORE THEM BOTH! So grateful to have this forum to respectfully hear opinions from people who, like me, love Sundance and Trump.
With full cooperation from the GOPe, the deepstate and their globalist financial machine have literally thrown everything they have at Donald J Trump to stop his nomination.
Then the day after their bullets failed to stop him, a rabid never-trump’er appears as his VP “pick”.
Sundance will shine the light – he’s not gonna spoon feed us.
Peter Navarro is hosting Bannon’s show this morning and he thinks the Vance pick is a home run.
I’ve been concerned about the pick because of Vance’s late [convenient?] turnaround on Trump. We shall see. I actually liked his speech.
First time to listen to JD speak what he believes and wishes for America and her citizens. He agrees with me.
I will pay more attention to him now. Good speech.
I have my reservations about Vance, as I have noted here since the announcement, including saying my vote is on the shelf until Vance shows me.
Rather than listen to people, I decided to go listen to and review some of his debate highlights, speeches, and interviews since 2020.
I’m still skeptical because of his connections: Thiel, his wife’s previous law firm, etc.
But I’m comfortable with it now. Vance appears to have an open mind and is willing to adapt and change as he learns and better understands things.
I will keep my eyes on him for actions and not just rhetoric; additionally, everyone is excited that so many are stating this selection is “dangerous,” but I take pause and view it differently- those shouts are too pointed and blatant- something else to pay attention too because its as if they are trying too hard to say they don’t like Vance.
There was this guy. He had the deplorable habit of hanging out with prostitutes, adulterers, tax collectors (basically another version of deep state swindler) and all kinds of nasty broken people. He dined with them, he stayed in their homes.
He called them. He used them, he sent them out to call others. And in the process of that call and service, they were changed, and they changed the world.
And yet, he also called Judas. We have need of caution, but common sense. Jesus didn’t get perfect disciples. We danged sure aren’t going to get perfect politicians. We might just have to make do with the least rotten.
But come on people, some are going to rise to the occasion. Some are going to be overcome, by the pure grace of God, and become fighters.
I’d bet my last dollar that what President Trump has become is not even close to what he thought he was taking on when he started his campaign, even when he served his first term. I think he started with good intentions, but he didn’t become the lion he is on his own steam alone.
JMO.
JD will do just fine. President Trump will assign him the job of getting the MAGA / America First voting system passed and installed in all 50 states before the 2026 election. It is an important job that needs to be done, quickly.
Now, the democrat party, that is something to go after.
The illegal certification, staffing and non-stop support of the communist biden administration for over 4 years, proves that the democrat party and all of its executive branch and legislative branch members present a “clear and present danger” to our Constitutional Republic, the Constitution and to our fellow citizens.
“Let’s go Brandon and the democrat party!”
Back in the day after Trump came down the escalator, not a few treepers were saying what a disaster he would be for the country. Now those folks are on the Trump train. JD would not have been my choice (Ben Carson would have been much better) but it wasn’t my call, it was Trump’s. Time will tell if JD was a good or bad choice. It seems most of the anti-Trump statements were made while JD was either promoting his book or movie deal. Keep in mind the people he was dealing with to get those deals done, it might provide some context.
I am from Ohio and have two considerations. 1) Vance was our only conservative in the Senate and now we are left with the weasel DeWine to choose a new senator whose term will be another four years. Speculation is either himself , Husted or Dolan, all bad choices . 2) Vance had a history of Never Trump which I thought on the surface he seems to have resolved then I read this post on Substack this morning and my concerns were ignited again. https://open.substack.com/pub/leohohmann/p/who-is-jd-vance?r=pfs0m&utm_medium=ios
Vivek R lives in Ohio…
OH NO!….something is missing on Dr. Carson’s lapel. Talk about petty…
He’s also not the candidate for President of the United States.
Neither is Vance, in point of fact.
Watched JD Vance speak last night. Felt it was good overall, but not great, not particularly inspiring, and not a big mover for those inquiring about this ticket. I would have highly preferred Sarah Huckabee Sanders as VP, but Jr pushed JD and the Thiel wing pushed, and Vance hits the right marks on border, endless wars and other issues, so he’s the one Trump settled on.
I’m uneasy about his past comments and positions, but intelligent young people can and do adjust their thinking based upon emerging wisdom/experience. I count on Vance having largely done that. Less certain about his wife’s dance with the left, so her influence as of now is a question mark.
Agree it’s time to quit whining about Vance, nuances, etc. The President gets his spotlight tonight, and whatever UNITY means, it better mean we unify every member of this nation that is an independent, moderate and every shade to far right behind PDJT. The DIMS are about to ditch their flat tire, and suck up all the oxygen for the next 4 weeks while the DRAMA unfolds. Make no mistake….this evil cabal will do ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING to win. This one really will decide the fate of our nation.
All hands on deck and no more bellyaching! We storm the beachhead together or else.
Yeah, rah rah, here’s the JD Vance battle hymn:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/10548598-i-broached-this-issue-with-mamaw-confessing-that-i-was
Maybe he’s too real to wear the costume.
You mean like the one Vance wore for his wedding picture.
Ev’rybody’s talking about
Flag pins, Buckskins, Break-ins, Drive-ins, Cave-ins…
All we are saying is give Vance a chance
Sweet.
You know it would be nice to see an PUBLIC apology from Vance for all the VILE Rhetoric he spewed no only about Trump but the people supporting Trump.
Guess what then just maybe if i felt it was a truly sincere apology i might give him a chance.
I don’t thing Vance regrets any of the vile stuff he said in the past about Trump and Trump supporter.
Vance is using Trump and Trump supporters to climb the political ladder to wealth and possible fame.
KinTNW…are you old enough to have seen John Lennon?
You would realize my comment was not really an opinion…
But a parody of one of his songs…
Peace.
Vance should’ve done that before he was selected, but since he is part of the ticket now I don’t think that would be the best thing for the campaign now.
“Like a lot of people, I criticized Trump back in 2016,” Vance said. “And I ask folks not to judge me based on what I said in 2016, because I’ve been very open that I did say those critical things and I regret them, and I regret being wrong about the guy. I think he was a good president, I think he made a lot of good decisions for people, and I think he took a lot of flak.”
Vance added that he himself had been criticized for standing up for the former president’s voters and agenda, saying, “I think that’s the most important thing, is not what you said five years ago, but whether you’re willing to stand up and take the heat and take the hits for actually defending the interests of the American people.” JDV 2021
Were you on national TV—I bet no.
No. Not that only phonies wear the pin but a phony would definitely wear the pin for the supposed credibility. The lack of flag pin is not an indicator of lack of patriotism or deception. Neither is the wedding costume.
Are you not aware that he had two weddings, one for each culture?
48 years ago I got married in the Catholic Church. I disagreed with a lot of what I thought I knew about it, and I had lots of questions. In participating in that Sacrament and liturgy, I entered into practices of a faith totally unknown to me.
I did that because I had no faith or place of worship or beliefs I held dear and true to offer. I felt, and still do, that it would have been utterly a selfish act to deny my husband and his family the practice of their beliefs in so important a moment in our lives. So, I met with the priest as many times as I could before the wedding, and I talked to Catholics, as well as a few non Catholics I knew about the faith and their beliefs. I read some.
I learned enough to be sure that I had no reason to morally object to what I was about to do.
Now almost five decades later, that first Sacrament I entered into in the Church has become the defining moment of my life.
Their story isn’t over yet. Hers, or his.
Just out of curiosity how many gods to you pray to.
Yes I am totally perplexed and irritated that the conventions closing prayer was to many gods and not our Lord that we have been thanking and praising for protecting Trump.
It is also VERY puzzling how so many commentators on here can go from praising and thanking our Lord for protecting Trump to saying it OK to pray to other gods in closing the first night of the Convention.
There is a difference between a presentation of another a religion’s prayer and saying a closing prayer to many other gods in an America Conservative Convention That prayer was meant as a closing prayer NOT a presentation of the Hindu religion.
Exodus 20:3 NIV
You Shall Have No Other Gods Before Me
Luke 4:8 NIV
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.
What in the hell does that have to do with the comment I made? The one you’re responding to, and any other I’ve made all day long. I want you to find a comment of mine and show me where I addressed praying to many gods, and the closing prayer at the convention.
I am waiting.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer.
We were talking about their weddings and need for two..
One wedding for a religion that prays to many gods and the other a Roman Catholic I think that is a Christian Church that follows the teachings of Christ —Luke 4:8 NIV
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.
You said you entered into a faith unknown to you—Interesting that you would say that in regards to a dual wedding that Vance had —
Are you saying Vance has entered in the faith of Hindu or ? That is his right though.
Doesn’t really bother me, but I will not be a participant in prayers to any other gods, but the TRUE God .
That is the reason for my response.
It’s a stretch I’m not making. I will say this. When I was quite young, it is probably something I’d have done. Now, no, I would not participate in a non Christian ceremony.
I posted a very long, very good article by JDVance on another thread a few days ago. He talked about converting to Catholicism after he married, and he questioned in his own mind whether that was fair to his wife. I’d imagine that means he’s made some changes in his life and beliefs and practices that she may not have been comfortable with, or would have preferred. If his growth as a person and a Christian are like most people I know, more will be coming.
Your response to my question isn’t a logical connection, not to my statement, nor any other one I’ve made today.
All I am doing is saying in the midst of my own disappointment at the choice of Vance for VP, I still have some hope, and I cannot say with all the absolute 100% confidence being thrown about here that I am sure of his motivations and how he will perform.
Too many red flags keep cropping up on Vance and so far nothing that makes me feel good about him…..
As one member said to Sundance’s latest post
“Red flag number..” with someone responding “My analog clicker from the nightclub doorman days rolled over”
I am just so frustrated for none of this making sense.