The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) created the systems that permit intelligence weaponization. The SSCI is the organizational institution that supports the Fourth Branch of Government, the intelligence branch. Keep in mind, the SSCI previously created a bipartisan “Restrict Act,” to deal with what they deemed dangerous information on the internet (under auspices of TikTok ban). SSCI Chairman Mark Warner is the current enabler of the continued weaponized intel operations.
In this video segment below, notice how Chairman Warner leads off his remarks. Two flares triggered. First, you can tell by his response, that President Trump’s “classified documents” were exactly what we thought they were; evidence against those who constructed the Trump-Russia claims from inside govt. Second, notice how Warner now wants to block any President from controlling intelligence as defined by the Fourth Branch. This stuff is getting brutally obvious. WATCH:
“I’ve got bipartisan legislation that would reform the whole classification process. We way overclassify. We, frankly, should have a process in place so that no president or vice president ever takes documents after they leave office.” 👀
MARGARET BRENNAN: We turn now to Virginia Democrat Mark Warner. He is the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Great to have you here.
REP. MARK WARNER (D-VA): Thank you, Margaret.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I have to pick up where your Republican colleague just left off. Are the Trump and Biden classified documents that were in their personal possession, and not in controlled areas, equally egregious?
MARK WARNER: Well, Margaret, three things quickly. One, the administration took way too long to get us these documents. Two, while Mike and I have a great working relationship, I believe, based on the documents I’ve seen, that there is a difference in terms of the potential abuse that came from the Trump documents. And, third, it’s one of the reasons why I’ve got bipartisan legislation that would reform the whole classification process. We way overclassify. We, frankly, should have a process in place so that no president or vice president ever takes documents after they leave office. That is kind of the lowest common fruit.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
MARK WARNER: We ought to get that passed. We’ve got part of that in the intel authorization bill and I hope becomes the law of the land so we can prevent this from happening going forward.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’ve said based on documents you’ve seen, but you want to see more documents?
MARK WARNER: We have actually — I’m about at 98 percent satisfaction at this point.
MARGARET BRENNAN: OK, 98 percent satisfaction.
There’s a lot more on the national security front that we’re tracking right now, including this potential prisoner swap with Iran to bring five Americans home. Are you comfortable with the trade?
MARK WARNER: I’ve not gotten the brief. The Senate Intel Committee has not gotten the brief. We will be getting it shortly.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Wasn’t the staff briefed?
MARK WARNER: Well, I can tell you, I have not been personally briefed.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You weren’t? OK.
MARK WARNER: I think we need to start with the premise, it’s always the policy of our country to try to bring back Americans, who are held hostage. That was not only under Biden, it was Trump, it was Obama, Bush. I want to hear what kind of constraints are being put on in this exchange in terms of what has been reported of the $6 billion that was South Korean payments to Iran that would be released. I want to hear that and get those details before I weigh in further.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Because you have concern that money is fungible and there could be abuse?
MARK WARNER: I – you know, there is obviously — money is fungible. The administration has said there are guardrails. I want to get a better description of those guardrails first.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You have been very active on artificial intelligence. And we talked about this back in January.
Microsoft just announced a few days ago that China has a new capability to automatically generate images for use in influence operations to mimic American voters across the political spectrum and create controversy along racial, economic and ideological lines. How much of a risk is this to our upcoming elections?
MARK WARNER: It’s an enormous risk. And artificial intelligence, I’ve spent as much time on this I think as any member of the Senate, and I never spent something where you — the more time I spend, in certain ways the more confused I get. The whole economics around these large language models, which used to be, you know, who had the most data, who had the most compute power would win. That fundamentally changed after Facebook released its so- called llama model into the wild in the spring.
We just had a major session, Leader Schumer put together, had the kind of the who’s who in the room. And what it – what I’m concerned about is even the AI leaders who say they want rules, guardrails, I’m concerned that when you actually put words on paper will those major tech companies support that? Because you’ve seen, we in social media have done zero.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
MARK WARNER: Now, in terms of China, China is a major player in AI. And where I think we ought to start, where AI tools, whether it comes from China or domestically, could have the most immediate effect would be the public (INAUDIBLE) in our elections –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right. And (INAUDIBLE) legislative reaction.
MARK WARNER: Which Microsoft just cited. And hear — hear me – hear me out – hear me out on this. But the other area beyond elections is faith in our public markets. These same tools could completely disrupt the confidence in our public markets by using these same deep fake tools.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
MARK WARNER: So, I believe we ought to start. If we can put together an alliance between the capitalists and the small d democrats, we might at least get guardrails coming in the next year with the elections and the concerns about our markets.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you’re concerned not just about spooking, you know, the stock market. We’re talking about misleading people going into an election. Congress isn’t going to legislate ahead of the election, are they? I mean Leader Schumer said this is the most difficult thing we’ve ever undertaken.
MARK WARNER: I think this is – this is why the notion of trying to solve it all, the bias questions, the whole questions around deep fakes –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
MARK WARNER: The questions around what’s called hallucination, where you get answers that have no relationship to what the question was asked. But we ought to at least start with some guardrails around trust in our public election, trust in our public markets. There I think we can move before our elections. I think it will be bipartisan. Let’s start on that framing point. I think we can all agree there could be huge disruption in both of those areas. And that’s where I’m focusing my time.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You may have heard our CBS polling there at the top of the program. And one of the data points I want to show you here. It says, when people compare their finances now to how they were before the pandemic, by two to one they say they’re worse, not better. And when they feel worse, they tell us they’re voting for Donald Trump.
How can President Biden win over those voters?
MARK WARNER: Well, I think we’ve seen from President Biden’s actual record, record amounts of job growth coming again after Covid. We’ve seen major legislation. There are now laws in infrastructure, in the so-called CHIPS bill, and transition in our energy economy, and most of that has only been about 10 cents on every dollar spent out. So, I think the positive effects of that will really continue to penetrate this coming year.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Do the people in Virginia feel that, that you talk to?
MARK WARNER: I – listen, I think there is a general feeling, oh, my gosh, everybody seems to be at each other’s throats here in Washington.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
MARK WARNER: You know, the notion that we’re going to potentially go into a government shutdown. Mike Turner and I work very closely together.
But I do think – I wish the House leadership would be spending a little more time on what would happen with a government shutdown, which makes us look bad around the world, and, frankly, in a state like mine, in Virginia, where we have so many government workers, government contractors, it will be a disaster. And yet the attention coming out of the House leadership is on impeachment and putting forward things they know will not ever pass the Senate in any kind of bipartisan fashion. And I think that is part of the underlying unease that voters feel.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you believe we are headed for a government shutdown?
MARK WARNER: I would like to say no, but we’re eight or nine days away and we’ve not even been able to see the House pass the most basic defense appropriations bills. I hope and pray that Speaker McCarthy will say, hey, I’m going to throw over the far right, and I’m going to put together a bipartisan effort with the Democrats and mainstream Republicans to keep the government funded. I think that would get, again, 350, 400 votes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, good to have you here in person.
The agencies are executive branch. President owns the information.
Correct. I believe the only place the word “secret” appears is in Article 1 (Congress) of the Constitution in regard’s to reporting of business. However, seeing that our Congress, over time, has subjugated their sole spending and legislative powers to an unelected bureaucracy in the executive branch, in a nutshell; screw them!
They’re pre-emptively restricting intelligence products because they know PresTrump will be back in as Chief Executive.
Prove me wrong
Actually, wasn’t looking at that angle, but I think you’re correct.
Possession is 9/10ths of the law.
Typically, classified information is in control of the originating agency where it was generated, aggregated, etc. Normally, copies are what is provided to anyone outside of a small circle of that agency.
Furthermore, I consider that the Derp State must be destroyed!
…and the originating agency is 100% controlled by the President and only the President! All government documents created by agencies are owned by the President.
Nominally that is the case with Article II authority. In practice that is different, where we have rogue bureaucracies and a Congress that is much of the problem.
Furthermore, I consider that the Derp State must be destroyed!
In practice is outside the law……Nominally is the correct answer.
That is how it should be.
But it’s not how it is.
Everyone from deep state intelligence to random governors to miserable minor functionaries are doing things they can’t do.
They will continue doing things the can’t do until people stop them.
The recent example of the governor who didn’t feel completely bound by the Constitution is what I’m thinking of, here. The way her own AG and many brave sheriffs stepped up and refused to enforce her gun ban was balm to the soul. It gave me a glimmer of hope for our nation.
and therein lies the corruption of our Constitutional Republic.
If the government agency that is requesting the information, or anything else for that matter, is unconstitutional … is it a government agency?
I like your thinking.
Yes, this regulation/legislation or whatever it is HAS to be violating the constitution and therefore illegal and to be ignored.
They’re not the least bit shy about their operation of a shadow gubmint accountable to no one.
Exactly. That’s the big takeaway. Not a flinch from anyone who saw this today…..
… Some days I feel like a flea shouting into a furnace.
The audacity of proposing such legislation is beyond the pale.
You’re heard over the roar of the furnace & we’re grateful for your analysis. Things make sense now that never did before.
God bless you for sharing!
We have to put this out to everyone: YOU ARE NOT REALLY VOTERS AT ALL.
If my voice counts, I flinched for sure. What you write on CTH Sundance is a SHOT heard round the world. And even a FLEA gives a really, really itchy bite. That one bite can drive one insane.
well, little flea, your voice is being heard by a great number . . .
you are not alone.
all of this was predicted. we are just recording the events as described to happen.
and this is not restricted to the USA either. it’s happening all over the world…in every major “developed” country and in even third world shit holes.
at the risk of…blah blah…ted kazinski wrote about this…that it’s not technology that is the bane of humanity …but of the few men and women who COMMAND the technology and as loathsome human beings…void of any humanity. (I do not recognize ted’s thesis and manner in which he “published”…but he was correct..he saw it from an academic appreciation of the problem…that ultimately human beings would be stripped of all things good by the technocratic elites…he was no prophet, he just understood where this would all lead…he also suffered obvious mental illness…perhaps the world broke him..)
for the rest of us..we have to contemplate where this all leads…and how much pain we are expected to endure as your freedoms gets robbed ..and now, even with no fireside chats about an exchange for more security…that log isn’t even tossed in the fire anymore.
I worry for my country. I do. But I also believe in Prayer and the whether I understand it or not, this will have to run its course before patriots assemble. We are not there yet, but it grows…the uncertainty and anxiety of what awaits in the very near future is on the minds of millions.
I ain’t moving.
God Bless America
Let’s get this straight, “he also suffered obvious mental illness…perhaps the world broke him” – NO.
Those he was complaining about broke him.
Look at this, History channel MSM, they don’t even hide it, just a little scratch on the surface:
https://www.history.com/news/what-happened-to-the-unabomber-at-harvard
Funny thing Whitey Bulger also participated in these type experiments while in federal prison. He was kept dosed (LSD) for days at a time. He was a bit angry about it.
Funny thing Kazinski and Bulger were both at large for 20 odd years. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
He was broken while a student at Harvard, where he was the subject of severe psychological experimentation.
This article is a good brief explanation – https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/impromptu-man/201205/harvards-experiment-the-unabomber-class-62
During Kaczynski’s sophomore year at Harvard, in 1959, he was recruited for a psychological experiment that, unbeknownst to him, would last three years. The experiment involved psychological torment and humiliation, a story I include in my book Mind Wars: Brain Research and the Military in the 21st Century.
One of my favorite topics
If it’s any consolation Sundance we HEAR you every day Thank you from all of us treepers.
It’s because they slip it in so smoothly with a bunch of other stuff, some of which sounds good. (I’ve heard our side complain for years about excessive classification. Reform that might simply reduce overclassification sounds appealing.)
They make it just a passing point, nothing major, and act as if it is completely normal.
Casual viewers and tired humans miss the potential significance.
Thank you for being our eyes and ears.
The school textbooks are being rewritten as we speak to teach that this 4th branch of government was an inspiration of the founding fathers, is enshrined implicitly in the original U.S. Constitution, and (3) is a good thing.
Foundling who ?
That’s why the best course is to homeschool.
Where have you seen this? (I was unaware of it, but too much insanity is casually accepted for this to be impossible.)
Ain’t THAT the truth, and they figure our education system has been so bad and our citizenry so lazy they won’t care.
They denied a fourth branch even existed, a couple of years ago!
With Republicans like that, who needs Democrats?
Mark Warren is a demonic democrat.
But no bill is veto proof without 67% override vote in the senate.
They need RINOs to vote with them. They undoubtedly have promises from enough GOPe Cons to meet that threshold. Else they would not be so bold to go so public…..
2/3 of both House and Senate.
But what makes you think Biden would veto it?
Biden is so mentally gone that he’d probably cut off his own schlong if his handlers told him to. But ya never know.
😂😂😂😂
Ain’t that the truth?
Will it pass the House?
You’re days are numbered asshole.
The President is one of the three branches of government and the Constitution established the power of the President. This idiot can’t pass a bill to change that!
But you can be damn sure Brandon will sign it. Remember, rules and laws only apply to one side and it ain’t his side.
So what. If the next president challenges it in court it won’t pass constitutional muster. That is if the demonic democrats don’t pack the Supreme Court with commies.
Everything he signs should be declared null and void since he was not elected president of the USA.
The Congress has been giving up their sole constitutionally assigned powers, without any authority to do so, to unelected bureaucrats for decades. That is the shadow government that Sundance speaks of.
As pointed out by SD earlier today, they have also been selling off their Constitutionally assigned powers to the lobbyists that are now writing or have written our legislative bills.
Who is the Commander in Chief?
What is The Commander in Chief ‘s job?
What decisions are to be made by The Commander in Chief?
What was the original purpose for creating Intelligence Agencies?
What are The Intelligence Agencies jobs?
-Perhaps Space Force
will provide cause to abolish the existing Intelligence Agencies .
Also, since when does the senate have the authority to determine the president’s job
and limit the president’s ability to perform the president’s job?
-Who is ultimately responsible for homeland security ?
MARK WARNER is FULL of SH…….t! They real think we are stupid.
I think Mark Warner is stupid and seems disassociated from reality.
And, everytime I see his face I get the urge to go sand something.
For some strange reason. What could it be?
Yes. He was beaten in 2020. He was behind at 10pm on election night and Trump was winning. The government teat suckers in No. Va held up their results until they were sure they could “find” the votes. Nobody paid attention to Va because it was considered a blue state. Nobody questioned it.
I remember.
It was obvious
How could it even be constitutionally conceivable for the head of the Executive branch, the POTUS, to not be in complete charge of anything subordinate to their office?
Utter insanity!
It further reinforces my long held beliefs of the DS/IC 🌊👁️ A controlling the entire government.
Why would the SSCI even think of something like this unless they were ‘ordered to’ or made an ‘offer they cannot refuse?
Further, since this is coming from DS/IC, then it confirms my belief (reinforced by SD’s comments in this post) what I have repeatedly asserted as the reason for the MAL raid – seizure of documents to be used in civil RICO; exposing the DS/IC complicity and conspiracy in insubordination and removing a sitting President. That is the sedition, insurrection & treason that has been committed.
For this to be proposed at this point also reinforces my assertion of the last couple of days: PANIC IN DC!
To me, this is greatest ‘tell’ so far!
PS: to coin a phrase – “the need for control is a reaction to fear.”
This makes perfect sense especially when the bureaucracy stays and the presidency changes every four to eight years. Not right, but those in the bureaucracy have a better handle on everything going on in the foreign and domestic policies of the US government for better or worse for the citizens, especially when they are controlling the agenda which makes perfect sense why they are targeting Trump who doesn’t align with the deep state’s agenda.
It’s not Constitutionally permissible let alone conceivable. Warner doesn’t care either. If we had an honest and moral Congress, none , or very little, of these issues would even exist. The greater problem is that over time our Congress has created, without any authority, the ” deep state, administrative state, unelected state, call it what ever you want. It was done exactly for these reasons; unaccountability for THEM,.not the created sub sets of government. However, the unelected junk figured out long ago that if congress is basically willing to give up their authority, then anything goes Jack. So here we are now..
This guy needs to be exposed and embarrassed nationwide, big time.
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You’d think that him admitting his confusion — coupled with the revelation that his staff does not keep him ‘up’ on anything other than what they deem he should know — would be embarrassing enough for him, but he clearly has no shame . . .
Oh to see the tables turned and Sen. Warner’s treason made public and the Senator sent to prison…
Warner is as slimy as any of the deep state trash running around DC.
A non-elected bureaucrat should never have the power to do what they do. We have to get a hold of this.
Maybe someone should let him know he will need to amend the Constitution first.
Unconstitutional.
The Patriot Act has proven the Constitution is no obstacle.
Yep. A lot of people are doing things they can’t do.
Trump needs Tony Buzbee…
I’ve been thinking the same thing!
Trump is Americans’ last chance to live free because we long ago lost any and all representation in Congress, which answers only to the Deep State. The Deep State’s proven over the last 3 years that it can run the Executive Branch from the shadows.
Now they have to cut off our last avenue – the Oval Office.
The deep state has proven over the last three years that IT DOES RUN the executive branch of government.
Warner is a corrupt sleazebag. More importantly, as is always the case, with the deep state operatives, the obsessive fear of the real President Trump is forcing them to expose their corruption for all to see. And it bears repeating, there are way more of us, then there are of them.
I find it interesting they’d try to make a contingency plan if they felt there was no need to make a contingency plan.
It feels to me like they’re trying to move their secrets from the Executive branch to the Legislative branch, as they now see a way to have more protection from that branch.
This clown is deluded. Too bad he is even in Washington. There is only one option for real people to get our Country back. I don’t even know it will work, but we can at least have a shot at it. We have to elect Donald J Trump as our President. That is it.
Our job will be to talk to our own neighbors and show them how it is all of us against the richest people who have control of all of the levers of power and are using our media and schools to brainwash the weak minded among us. Even the weak minded must be shown that we have to get our Country back before even our right to vote is taken from us.
Everyone who is building things, repairing things, running their own businesses, or helping their employers make and sell their products are on the same side this time. We aren’t Dems or Repugs. We are citizens of a Country that is being ruined by its own Government and we have to fix that.
What an utterly BULLSHIT setup to claim that the Communist Chinese have AI that replicates grassroots voters concerns and biases that could influence our next election … gawwwwd … translation:
The Democrats KNOW they are gonna get SPANKED in the next election. SPANKED in numbers that cannot be cheated or blamed on Russian disinformation (that’s been done) … so they claim China will “steal” the next election.
we live in such a pretend, make-believe, dishonest, world that I just want to PUKE. Sorry Dem’s. the People are on to you and all your BULLSHITTY tactics. Prepare to be SPANKED … by We The People
AI and a virus transmissible between animals and humans spreading in India are more than enough.
Unfortunately, it’s not just the Dems.
Beginning to sound familiar?………………………….
“China, formally The People’s Republic of China, is regarded as a one-party communist dictatorship, in which the Communist Party of China (CPC) holds a monopoly on power.
In theory, political power in China is solely in the hands of the masses. In fact, according to the Chinese government, China is a multiparty, democratic state. In practice, however, a multiparty democracy does not exist.
China somewhat conveys the image of a functioning democracy. It has a legislature and executive that are theoretically accountable to China’s citizens. In reality, however, the real power in China’s government does not stem from the people, but from the Communist Party of China. Hence, the leaders of the Communist Party of China are also the leaders of the country.”
Can anyone say “Our democracy” in Mandarin?
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-type-of-government-does-china-have.html
Exactly!
If people would start doing
research and comparisons
they would see that there
are very few differences
right now between our country
and China.
There was also an interview with General Milley today on the Sunday talks. Milley painted Trump as dangerous basically with zero pushback from the talking head Raddatz giving the interview. All of these interviews by the establishment are coordinated and connected.
Biden just murdered 450,000 Ukrainian soldiers without any objections from Milley and he’s calling President Trump dangerous?.
Rudolph: Sunday interviews are entirely planned and scripted to create and disseminate the Uniparty’s talking points for the week.
I am again, not saying do not vote.
Do you really think we are going to vote our way out of this?
The 20th Century dictators could have only dreamed of the amount of control that is now available due to everything being digital. It is unreal. And most of the sheep out there do not see it. The younger ones have been trained to accept it. They know no different.
One of my wife’s students was back to help with her Spring Gala production. I gave her one of my new laptops to work on the Powerpoint projection. I foolishly went with a lower MS Office basic set. I did not realize you HAVE to work on the Cloud, and be signed into your MS account. I swapped my main business laptop for her to work on. (I corrected that issue with Office Pro, and signed OUT of my MS accout). I started bitching about it was none of Microsoft’s damn business what I was doing and when or where, and the total lack of privacy. Her comment stunned me. Amanda stated that there was no privacy, she didn’t expect any, and that was just the way it was! I asked her if she accepted this. She did. They have these kids programmed for this.
Everywhere you go, Google is tracking you and what you do. How do you think you get the monthly cat picture montage from all of your photos? Your monthly travel summary.
They could never have gotten the citizens to submit willingly to being digitally tracked.
Now we pay to be tracked!
Prepare yourself financially, mentally, physically, and spiritually for what is coming.
It is a lot closer then you think.
they’ve conjured up a new term…?
MARK WARNER: The questions around what’s called hallucination, where you get answers that have no relationship to what the question was asked.
warners statement does not encompass the breath or depth of the AI hallucination problems.
So … this douchebag wants to eliminate the Presidential Records Act of 1978? Why doesn’t this leftist interviewer frame her questions in that context? A reminder:
so Warner wants this key tenet of the Presidential Records Act overridden? By what Authority, and by what reason? Hatred for Trump? What’s next? Overturning the FOIA Act?
In keeping with my sacrosanct vow not to listen/watch to Margaret Brennan I gave this about ten seconds. The text was very helpful. Warner wants to eunuch and make every sitting President into the likes of JB.
Regardless, Warner did not even appear close to the cocksure person he was as when he was going after Julian Assange. Many people decline in the aging process, but to me, Warner was almost unrecognizable. How long did that decline take.
My take away is I”M GLAD I DON”T FEED MYSELF A STEADY DIET OF GREED FOR POWER.
Agree!
Very Thankful that
Sundance provided
the Transcript.👏👏👏👏
A goverment within a goverment controlling a goverment.
Thats AGWAGCAG acronym.
Or in plain talk- The Enemy Within controlling the uniparty illusion of government.👀😳
What a rabbit hole!
I hope the true blue constitutional attorneys have their act together to challenge immediately in the US Supreme Court.
Ted Cruz where are you? Is there an instance where one Senator can stop the bill being considered. I understand Senator Johnson was able to stop a bill.
Senator Warner, aka Senator Fishmouth, is full of more manure than a Texas feedlot.
Yeh and so is most of congress etc.
congress? Ha. They have given up their jobs so they can go on a permanent vacation and still get a paycheck.
This is what happens when no politician ever faces any consequences for their criminality.
Oh , we can’t let THAT STAND.
It means they have announced the INTEL COMMUNITY IS OUR RULER!
I could not help but be struck by all the micro-contortions in the senator’s facial expressions…. would love to hear how an expert analyst would interpret them. But even my non-expert eyes can recognize that there is something deeply disturbing and dishonest about this man.
TBH I think some of what you’re seeing is Warner’s own amazement that Brennan is so readily swallowing all the BS he’s shoveling her way. He’s probably saying to himself, “How can this be so easy?”
He knows it’s easy because of the whores in corporate media. They love having things shoved in their mouths.
Hasn’t gotten used to his botox muscle paralysis- all that moves anymore is his lower jaw, eyelids and eyebrows. I’m sure Brennen will share some tips on talking like a mannequin.
Watch the two of them talk with the sound off and you’ll see what I mean.
He sure likes waving that black ring around in front of the camera.
a conversation between two d bags
Sure thing, Senator…PDJT would undo everything (and may yet do so); POTATUS Biden is bats enough to let something truly damaging slip as easily as frequently-passing gas.
If Trump had all this power in his first term, that “they” by this action are now desperately trying to prevent Trump from having again (managing classified docs)..
Then is it at least reasonable to shift some blame to Trump for not having done enough on his first term for dismantling exactly this 4-th branch apparatus, when he had the chance. (If we are talking about “draining the swamp” one would think this would have been an attention point of at least 1 person in the Trump administration)
The argument that Trump “could not know” the amount of interference (everything short of a bullet) doesn’t make sense: getting impeached twice should have already been a tell of the rot of the system, right?
If the president is as-powerful as they say, then would not Trump have done something about the rot, when he had the chance.
(What happened to the “drain the swamp!” as soon as he got in office, not a lot of draining was done. For example appointing John Bolton in a position of power? Bill Barr, Chris Wray?? )
If the president is merely an administrative role, then why are they making all this fuss about documents, other than the plebs have something to get angry about?
Still not sure what to believe here. Are we witnessing a bread and circus?
President Trump had, and is continuing to, drain the swamp. Did you really think that act would be an instant thing?
Also, please don’t forget that PDJT could NOT appoint whom he wanted to, since those appointments had to be “approved” by turtle. Hence all the “bad” appointments.
“A Government shutdown would make us look bad around the world.”
I’m sorry but after what this pResident,this administration, and our Dod has displayed over the past 33 months we already look extremely bad around the world. A gov’t shutdown is nothing compared to what these clowns have showcased.
I’d like to lock Warner in a SCIF by himself and then unleash an unholy quantity of Asian Murder Hornets in there with him and watch him slowly succumb.
This is unconstitutional, I would think. The legislative branch has the right to check the executive, but not prevent the executive branch from knowing what its own executive branch is doing. The president controls (or should control) his own agencies and cabinet departments.
Apologies to those who posted earlier. I seem to be repeating the same thing that has been said before, but I am slow at typing and thinking through what I want to say.
“The legislative branch has the right to check the executive….”
It’s not a right, it’s their primary purpose. Each branch exists to keep the others in check. They maintain unique job functions while in the process of doing so. What Wormy Warner is proposing should have him run out of town on a rail if this were a sane world.
Mark Warner is quite shaky
~not just his hands
“………Block All Presidents from Fourth Branch Classified Intelligence………………….”
Hmmmm…..This sounds like a preemptive strike. Why would they need to do this if the deep state has enough control over who’s the next president? Maybe they’re doing this in anticipation of Trump’s election, and they need to control what information he has access to, as they know they can’t control him via their traditional methods. Do it now so the control won’t seem so obvious later.
This is the problem,
important notes:
pelosi advanced a bill (sitting in the senate, awaiting..tic tock), that would make the vice president’s role as president of the senate, a purely ceremonial role…a rubber stamp. it’s not been made into law yet, but there is no doubt this is going to be one of the single most important constitutional changes in US history. What it DOES? it removes the power the vice president to pause a certification on the basis of votes to form the function of the debate clause over matters of irregularities and perhaps even fraud…what this does, is that it removed the last check and balance backstop from state’s who committed fraud, or who did not solve fraud.
what warner is talking about is very similar. this new “law” would strip the president of the united states from controlling and ordering classified documents. And not simply after leaving office. Remember when President Trump ordered the DNI to declassify certain documents? and it never happened? it would take grennell to be appointed for a temp gig to do that work and even then he was limited…same as with ratcliffe. So there is already this move by the intelligence community to deny SITTING PRESIDENTS from access to and authority over classified material. This MEANS your vote for YOUR REPRESENTATIVE PRESIDENT IS CONTROLLED BY PEOPLE YOU HAVE NEVER VOTED INTO OFFICE!
understand the parallels here. The secret police spy state is engaged in a sweeping move to steal more power and to insulate itself from any inspection and control.
who controls the controllers?
God Bless America
“who controls the controllers?”
those who control the gold
God save America.
Bullets, bullets and more bullets. That will be the only way to get back this country.
For all of you saying this is unconstitutional, yes, of course it is.
So this would be one more thing that President Trump would have to waste time litigating during his too short four years of a second term. And you can bet it would be protracted. They are doing everything possible to minimize President Trump’s effectiveness and efficiency, should he be able to Stop the Steal this time around.
Can we also say FMW?
Mark Warner is one of the maggots in the administration. If McConnell wasn’t a traitor and a maggot eating away at the body of this country, he would have taken action to remove people like this from these positions!
First of all, a horrid filler/botox job on Warner.
But most importantly, he said, “And, third, it’s one of the reasons why I’ve got bipartisan legislation that would reform the whole classification process. We way overclassify. We, frankly, should have a process in place so that no president or vice president ever takes documents after they leave office. That is kind of the lowest common fruit.”
So, just like the emergency bill they passed to strip the VP from the power to send the decision back to the states on electors (because VP DID have that power), it seems like Presidents DO have the power to take documents with them when they leave office and they’re trying to pass a bill that STOPS them from being able to.
Sometimes just adjusting, or ‘sucking it up’ was the WORST advice.
In a recognizably manipulated scenario, one could improve by simply trying harder to achieve the perfect result…doing a better job.
But ultimately, in living (including politics) breaking the game, getting ejected from it, or just refusing to play, might solely clear paths to better success.