Obviously, we take all reports from Russian media through the prism of Suspicious Cat. Complicating matters, we take any/all reports from Western Media through the folded and mirrored prism of multiple Suspicious Cats. So don’t look for CTH to provide definitive analysis on this multi-geopolitical storyline; instead, look for me to share a series of possibilities that might not be discussed elsewhere.
As long-time readers know, I have a strong and reliable network in Peter (that’s the abbreviated name used in familiar Russian discussion with those who live in the Saint Petersburg region of Russia). I have previously discussed my opinion of the western media reporting on Yevgeny Prigozhin {Go Deep}, I will not repeat.
Dubya, Putin and Yevgeny Prigozhin the caterer.
Today, Russian media are stating that Prigozhin was killed in a plane crash after a series of meetings in Moscow, upon a return flight to Peter. Perhaps, or perhaps not. Given the nature of a very specific background in/around the issue(s) of Wagner and Prigozhin, and with both the Russian and USA geopolitical overlays as context, here are some possible considerations:
♦ Prigozhin completed his meetings in Moscow and was heading home to Peter when an unfortunate accident led to his plane crashing.
♦ Prigozhin completed his meetings in Moscow and was heading home to Peter when the Russian military leaders decided to kill him.
♦ Prigozhin completed his meetings in Moscow and was detained by Putin allies, then the return flight destroyed to disappear him.
♦ Prigozhin completed his meetings in Moscow and was returning to Peter when a successful retaliatory CIA operation killed him.
♦ Prigozhin completed his meetings in Moscow and organizing a defensive Wagner operation against NATO under the auspices of his death.
♦ Prigozhin completed his meetings in Moscow and is now very much alive and retired with no one looking for him.
♦ Prigozhin was never in Moscow and is very much alive and retired with no one looking for him. √
I’m sure the funeral will be quite superb.
(Via Fox News) Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of Russia’s Wagner Group who challenged the rule of Vladimir Putin just months ago, was involved Wednesday in a plane crash that has left 10 people dead outside of Moscow, state media is reporting.
The business jet was traveling from the Russian capital to St. Petersburg went it went down in the Tver region, according to the TASS news agency.
“Prigozhin was listed among the passengers, according to the Federal Air Transport Agency,” read a post by TASS on Telegram. “An investigation into the crash of the Embraer aircraft has been launched, the department noted.”
It’s not immediately clear whether Prigozhin is among the 10 reported to have died in the crash. The Pentagon told Fox News Digital that it is monitoring the situation.
“We have seen the reports. If confirmed, no one should be surprised,” White House National Security Council spokesperson, Adrienne Watson, said in a statement. “The disastrous war in Ukraine led to a private army marching on Moscow, and now – it would seem — to this.”
Putin, meanwhile, has made a public appearance at a concert in Russia after the news of the crash emerged.
In late June, Prigozhin initiated what observers called the most significant challenge to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime in his 23 years in power.
After marching his 25,000-strong mercenary forces to within 125 miles of Moscow, Prigozhin abruptly ended the operation and ordered his troops to return home before heading into exile in Belarus. (more) 👀 lol
Born in 1961, Prigozhin grew up as a somewhat snarky Soviet Robin Hood, a street urchin who flowed invisibly between Finland and Leningrad in a black-market social circle that, well, let’s just say I am familiar with.
When he was 20, Prigozhin was arrested for a heist and federally imprisoned for 9 years while the Soviet Union collapsed. When he exited prison Russia was different, and with St Pete now becoming a tourist destination, he joined the capitalist opportunity with a street food vending business, started a restaurant then opened a catering company.
Prigozhin is hard as nails, snarky as hell and very tricky.
He is one of the apex gremlins and very much still connected to the Peter streets, very connected. He is beloved. He was never connected to the towers of Russian politics as the West portrays. Prigozhin doesn’t have the pedigree nor the disposition for political power.
Let me put it this way, no one knows how to play gremlin mind games against the West better than Yevgeny Prigozhin. He’s a little bit like a less refined Oleg Deripaska, and much scruffier. Also remember, in February 2018, Prigozhin was one of 13 Russians indicted by Andrew Weissmann and Rod Rosenstein for interfering in the American election through the Internet Research Agency. lol
Review any definitive analysis with caution.
Kind of like our Swamp Fox?
Speaking of FOX. Make sure everyone Bud Lites FOX. All eyes on Trump/Tucker. FOX believe their rating will be the highest ever with the debates. WE can make sure it isn’t so!
The last option seems the best. It also makes Putin look strong.
Plus Vlad gets the benefit of making a fine Pour encourager les autres play.
Prighozin has been known to use a body double I’m told.
Talking about body doubles I’ve seen images of two Putin’s . The one in the above picture looks like the one that some insist is the double ha ha ha ha .
Will probably never know for sure.
Heads it CIA
Tails its CIA
Lands on its edge – CIA
Is the C.I.A. really competent enough to assassinate Prigozhin inside of Russia?
More likely is that Mr. Putin really dislikes mutinies.
They do have a history of stfu or else.
Sounds like Killary.
I don’t believe there ever was a mutiny.
Was it a mutiny?
Or was it the Russkies pulling a head-fake false flag on MSM doofuses? And to distract the genius “general” MIlley.
Sundance is probably correct, retired and no one is looking for him.
… probably “MASKYROVKA ” #2…..I very much doubt he actually died…
Lands on the sidewalk, rolls down a drainage grate and is never seen again: CIA.
Doesn’t land at all. Now that’s really CIA!!!!
I thought that was UFO.
Ron Brown suffered similar fate under Clintons tenure.
He’s retired to his dacha with our money the CIA gave him for the fake coup.
Complicating matters, we take any/all reports from Western Media through the folded and mirrored prism of multiple Suspicious Cats.
Time to introduce Fractal Cat?
This one almost certainly won’t see definitive resolution in our day, if ever, though the Derps will be spinning it furiously I suspect.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see them claim Z-Bag took him out, having tired of killing fifteen year old girls.
How about this guy?
Needs more inter-dimensional fun-house mirror.
Will work on it…but I’ll have to get his permission first. And that won’t be easy…
His claws clause can be difficult to negotiate I’m sure.
I’ll check the contract…if I can remember where I put it.
In your first aid drawer.
Ahhhh!!! Thank you! Bandages and antibiotic cream…got it👍🏻😉
Between the tourniquets and the cauterizing gun.
Don’t have those (checks Amazon🤔)
Order some plasma while you’re at it.
Already did 😎
They will give you pause
I smell a rat.
While meowing “bless your heart”…
Accurate, Aggiegirl.
hmmmmmmm… I am very doubtfull…. said cat…..
You speak cat very well.
“Wouldn’t be surprised to see them claim Z-Bag took him out, having tired of killing fifteen year old girls.”
Moscow has been under incessant drone attack lately. First reports I saw claimed the plane was hit by Russian AA. A drone/friendly fire incident would be plausible given the current state of the air space around Moscow. In 2019 something very similar happened outside Tehran.
But even if the Great and Powerful Zelensky’s forces were directly involved, that would only mean the CIA decided to use middlemen.
If the Zelensky government does claim responsibility that is going to increase the odds of Russian government going after (Western) command centers located in Ukraine, something it has threatened repeatedly but largely abstained from till now.
I highly doubt Z and his cabal will take credit for this. NATO, the CIA and others (the West) have nothing to benefit them by claiming responsibility. And the fact that many others died during this crash will not sit well
I don’t think it will either, regardless of whether it is responsible or not.
However, this is the same government which has bragged about assassinating journalists and issued multiple commemorative stamps celebrating attacks on the Crimean bridge.
This is a very ugly war being waged by increasingly unpleasant people. Not all of them are Ukrainian.
Nor sane.
Putin didn’t do it, he needs Wagner
I am not suggesting a deliberate shoot-down by Russian AA.
I am pointing out that given the constant drone incursions into the Moscow airspace, it seems entirely plausible Russian AA defenses made an error. Note the low cloud cover/reduced visibility, and the fact that this was a commuter-jet sized plane, not a commercial airliner… kind of in the larger drone/UAV range.
Entirely possible that jumpy AA operators and poor visibility combined to create an accidental shoot-down.
And with all that taken into consideration, I am not saying that is what happened. There is not enough evidence, and the fact that a prominent military figure involved in political controversy was reportedly on the plane seems way too big to be of a coincidence for it to be a coincidence.
right on…
If we get fractal cat, we can name her Julia.
One does not simply steal $6 billion dollars from the CIA and get away with it. They must be convinced you are dead. Yes?
Prigozhin is most likely being debriefed at Langley while we speculate.
The guy wasn’t stupid. If the CIA was stupid enough to trust anyone as close to Putin as this guy appeared to be, a few million to kill him against the 6 billion him & Putin took from the CIA is chicken scratch. Zero chance Putin himself didn’t end up with most of the 6 Billion himself.
If Putin got his hands on that 6 billion NATO/US payoff it will go to Russian veterans.
Leaders that want to “Make Their Country Great Again” do those kind of things.
One thing for absolute certain.
Nothing is as it seems….or is made to seem.
Okay, first, how in the world can you look at that picture of Putin and believe today’s Putin is the same person. Plastic surgery will not change the shape of a skull.
On Prigozhin, nothing about Wagner as related to Prigozhin makes sense. We’re supposed to believe this guy went from street urchin to career criminal to Celebrity Chef to Eric Prince in drag. He has no military experience at all. He couldn’t walk 100 yards in battle gear (which he apparently dresses up in every day). This entire Prigozhin drama is like a low budget B movie. How do you analyze a totally fake narrative?
“Okay, first, how in the world can you look at that picture of Putin and believe today’s Putin is the same person” – It’s called ‘aging’
around 20 years?
Potential problems: Lens distortion. Angle of camera/lens w/respect to angle of head at moment of image capture. Aging, Lighting. Shadows.
IMO it’s risky to make conclusions about fake body double or image manipulation from this photo versus others taken in different times in different conditions and with different lens and angles. Unless you have expert analysis equipment able to make precise measurements from photographic images on multiple points (more than 15).
Looks like Vlad Putin to me.
Arkancide?
Are we thinking he may have had some copies of eMails from Huma’s laptop?
Or Ashley Biden’s diary…
Two days ago:
21 Aug, 2023 18:33
HomeRussia & FSU
Wagner boss announces major move ‘to make Russia greater’The group is working to make Africa “even more free,” Evgeny Prigozhin said in an address apparently filmed on the continent
The Wagner private military company is continuing to recruit and is working hard “to make Russia even greater,” the head of the group, Evgeny Prigozhin, has said in a new video address. He added that Wagner is also seeking to help Africa become “even more free.”
https://www.rt.com/russia/581613-prigozhin-in-africa/
Uh oh, another Nuland intersection.
I also find it curious this happened as Wagner shifts to Niger, but it doesn’t really point to what may be going on.
I saw a video of the plane coming down, uncontrolled trailing black smoke. I assume it was an onboard bomb or a missile.
Recent reports I have seen in non-msm media suggest onboard bomb. One report said a case of expensive wine was loaded after his plane had been swept. I think it’s certain he’s among those killed.
Deleted- I need to focus on reading comprehension – perhaps Evelyn Wood may be of help.
I took evelyn’s course. I read speedily, but remember little. of course, I am 8,000 years old…
I took a speed reading course. Can read a zillion words per minute. Have no comprehension. Oh’ well I’m ancient. I blame it on dementia….
I’ve seen two videos. Both are not very good quality, and its hard to tell how much of the plane is intact as it falls. I can see at least one wing and what looks like intact vertical and horizontal stabilizers. The tumbling however suggests a total loss of aerodynamics and/or hydraulic control.
What is suggestive is that in one video the camera is pointed at the sky, then pans right as the plane exits the cloud cover and becomes visible. This leads me to believe the person filming heard a noise, likely an explosion or impact.
Could have been any plane. Trust nobody.
American’s are being told to leave Belarus. Maybe a connection?
Belarus was where Prigozhin was “staying” after his half-azzed attempt to attack Moscow.
Any of the above possibilities (in Sundance’s article) could be true. If he did indeed die in this fatal plane crash, won’t there be news of a funeral etc? We shall wait and see with suspicious cat.
IIRC, Americans were being told to leave Beluris before this happened.. Suspicious….
Sundance, please tell me who runs the What does it mean website? Is it CIA propaganda?
Proves the Russians have missiles that work as intended, beware.
Besides that, with tonight’s so called debate, watch Ramaswamidani work his magic. If my hunch is right he will try to take out Mike Pence and Chris Christie, for he knows if he can there will be a bad hair guy who will take notice and give his wifey a big smile when he goes to bed. The next day bad orange man will think about this guy who has a strange last name as to whether he could be a good #2 guy. Pay attention to Ramaswamidani’s thoughts on arming Taiwan with AR-15s as one potential solution to their mainland Chinese problem of invasion…bad orange man may come to like that idea a lot!
For a guy under 40, he has some serious thoughts. Let’s see if he has a killer instinct!
That was a poorly disguised OT BUTT.
Pretty sure Vivek is a Soros Plant. He says all the right things but took Soros money for Law School as a millionaire.
What better way to screw Soros over than to take his money for law school and upon graduation use your degree to fight Soros. It has a sense of style. I like it!
Ive read in several other web sites that he also has/had WEF connections. I’d be cautious about enthusiastically embracing him until his a little less of a mystery man,
you got it.
The money came from the Paul and.Daisy Soros Foundation for New Americans. Paul was the older brother of George and he died in 2013. I don’t know how much Paul was involved.with George but I think I read that they collaborated on investments. Paul was called “the invisible Soros” and didn’t seem to have a political agenda.
Now why would Ramaswamy be eligible for a Foundation scholarship as a ‘new American’ when he was born in Cincinnati and has birthright citizenship? His parents citizenship status is uncertain; there was chatter back in May on social media calling for.him to produce his parents Certificate of Naturalization. He could well be in the same citizenship category as Kamelahahaha, born to parents here on visas. Also, he has dual citizenship.
There are many reasons why Ramaswamy should not be president.
Aggiegirl is of the opinon that ‘rappin’ rampaswampy’ just might be the next ‘anointed one. Personally, I am not trusting him. Or his sycopohants.
Western intelligence entities are more likely to deal with the T shirted ComicCon in this way.
That’s one way of ending this insane “war” that Z is losing big time.
“Review any definitive analysis with caution.”
We can just let the western presstitute media whores let us know what is not the truth by listening to what they report.
Other than CTH, OANN & The Epoch Times – there is not much out there to trust.
RSBN?
Yes, they should be on the trusted list. There are also others.
I wanted to keep my post short and sweet. If I tried to start thinking of every possibility to include, I still would not have it posted.
Several short clips of the crash have circulated on social media. Videos published by the Mash and Baza Telegram channels appear to show the jet plummeting toward the ground in a seemingly uncontrolled spin
Although Rosaviatsiya said that Prigozhin’s name was on board, it did not explicitly pronounce the Wagner chief dead.
a second plane linked to Prigozhin with the tail number RA-02878 departed Moscow shortly after the first, but returned to land after news of the crash broke.
https://www.rt.com/russia/581735-prigozhin-plane-crash-facts/
Following the latest thread at Moon of Alabama, found this comment and concur:
“I’m just calling out the folks who previously were 100% sure that Prigi was working in Tandem with Putin and that the attempted ” coup ” was a psyops against the west. Now some of these same folks are 100% sure that Putin just got his revenge on Prigi for a real coup attempt. The narrative change boggles them mind.”
Posted by: Shocked | Aug 23 2023 20:22 utc | 112
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My question, too. Not to any Treepers in particular, but to any who thought the “coup” was a psychological op, but who now say Putin took out Prig for revenge.
Also, the U.S. MSM says Putin did it. That alone should have us thinking he didn’t, since the Empire of Lies usually lies.
I’d bet the whole “coup” narrative was entirely western fabrication.
I think the “coup” was a complete fabrication, assisted by Russian law enforcement and intel, akin to the Steele “dossier”. The Russians needed a plausible story for moving personnel; Obama wanted Flynn shut down, a FISA warrant and to re-open prosecutions that had previously been shut down for lack of evidence, and cover for Hunter Biden’s deal with Rosneft (by shifting the scrutiny over that very same CEFC deal to Carter Page instead of the Bidens).
wth cat…..
Looks like he’s getting his temperature taken…
too funny.
A Russian Blue?
I’ve got a cat kitchen clock with those same eyes…and they swing left and right in tempo with its tail.
Prigozhin completed his meetings in Moscow and is now hiding with Elvis.
I saw how immediately the US press pinned it on Putin, kinda like the oil pipeline, only different.
Yeah, I’m not buying it. Wagner was supposed to make a big return on the 5th. Nothing happened.
Why would he be in Russia if he knew his expiration date was nearing?
Does this have anything to do with the plane from Zambia loaded with cash and gold on the 14th?
Who gets the CIA’s 6 billion now?
Putin is probably overseeing that 6 billion going to Russian veterans. Putin is THAT kind of guy!
It could be a Prigo double was on that plane. Why the Lord would see fit to make two ugly mofo’s and put them on this Earth at the same time is above my pay grade but there it is.
Maybe the Prigo double was so good the assassin thought this was the real deal.
Don’t know what you’ve seen, but here’s what I’ve seen.
Take a look at the video of the claimed event of the plane falling down.
It’s pretty unambiguous to deduce that there is no SAM trail on the video, the trail is caused by the falling and burning plane. The trail comes to existence from the plane, as it falls down, it wasn’t there before. There was an explosion, but no evidence of SAM trail.
It was a bomb.
https://t.me/antinatocoalition/11676?single
Posted by: unimperator | Aug 23 2023 21:30 utc
Thread:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/08/the-sunk-cost-fallacy-and-ukraine/comments/page/2/#comments
I agree there is no SAM trail in any of the videos. However, the lack of a visible SAM trail is not conclusive evidence a SAM was not involved.
I have seen another video which shows the plane falling out of the cloud cover. The person filming is looking left, likely where he or she heard a loud noise, and then pans right as the plane becomes visible once it comes exits the clouds.
This suggests that whatever happened occurred while the plane was not visible (above the cloud cover) meaning that if there was a missile trail it also would above the cloud cover and not be visible from the ground.
Mind I am not claiming it was a SAM or that it was not a bomb. Currently there is not enough available evidence to
Too bad for the rest of the passengers. Yikes.
Now I’m getting those pop up adds to interrupt my reading. I guess ‘someone’ doesn’t like this particular article? Or something?
None on Brave browser.
Yep, Brave works well.
I like to use Firefox on my laptop. I never get adds or popups ever. I have four browser extensions running that block adds and trackers. They are Add Block Plus (ABP), Ghostery, Privacy Badger and UBlock Origin. As of right now they are blocking 3,5,3 and 8 things respectively on this site. They all are free and easy to add on. Hope this helps.
⚡🇷🇺 Russian Press Corps state that there is video evidence of Prigozhin boarding the downed plane.
Prigozhin is officially dead.
@themediterraneanman
Review any definitive analysis with caution.
“Russian Press Corps state”… (means nothing). Russian media is told what to print.
Like ours?
Ours as well. CBC here.
Or was it the Double getting on the plane?
Maybe he is on holiday with Epstein.
More likely this:
From June.🇷🇺 Let’s go back to June 24th.
All those who deliberately embarked on the path of betrayal will suffer inevitable punishment, Putin said. The Russian Armed Forces received the necessary order.
Why would he be in Moscow in the first place, especially after his march on Moscow?
He might have a meet up already scheduled with Epstein, location undisclosed.
Btw Elvis just left the building
“It’s not personal…It’s strictly business.” – Michael Corleone, The Godfather (1972) 😉
#4 OR #7 MOST LIKELY.
Wagner is pushing France out of Africa, any link of retribution?
This is what a few on MoA suspect.
My bet is CIA for stealing $6B, but France is also a likely culprit, for Wagner in Niger.
It appears Putin delivered the munitions that Prigozhin had requested….. Package delivered!
Just don’t get on a plane when you KNOW Putin is seeking revenge would be my advice.
Oh….At least President Trump is not getting blamed… yet
All theories pretty much covered .
Question:
What lie will the talking heads try to sell us? IF they mention it..
First guess goes something like.. “..Putin had him whacked to maintain street cred..”
From what I’ve heard so far, the news media here in the US is celebrating….just like they want so desperately for Putin to be destroyed.
I have such contempt and disdain for MSM, CNBC, et. al, that it makes me root for the other team!
How about: faked his own death.
Moves to Singapore to enjoy his remaining years, in the tropics. While remotely running his operations in Mother Russia.
It’s as good a theory as any other at the moment.
Don`t think it is the type of guy
My first thought was a See Eye Eh Op posing as Ukrainian forces.
Not sure of the idea that Prigozhin was never on the plane as a disappearing act. He just doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy who can disappear and keep his mouth shut.
Fast
If the CIA is behind this I would like to remind them that 6 billion dollars is STILL missing from the State Dept from when Clinton was SOS .
Maybe he’s been dead for a long time. When is the last day that we have proof that Prigozhin was alive? For example him holding a newspaper, whose date we can see.
Skynews was live-streaming coverage hours ago. Guess who they interviewed on the issue?
THE retired MI6 Christopher Steele who Hag hired & created the Russian Fake Dossier. He repeatedly said we shouldn’t be so quick to say it’s Putin as it could be a high-up elite.
So I take his little Johnny-on-the-spot speech to be an outright joke.
Win-win. Now Putin can blame a Ukro drone!
Mmmmm, methinks he’s alive and enjoying the money the CIA paid him to take down Putin.
calling macankles
Hmmm….I’ll take the checked answer for $50, Alex!
The first thing I thought when I read the news was that the west will immediately blame this on Vladimir Putin and say that it was revenge for his “coup attempt”. Which made me suspicious that it was something else. The CIA or EU or NATO have a motivation to get rid of Prigozhin because of his work in Africa and because his presence in Africa (possibly heading to Niger?) might threaten Chevron’s Trans Saharan Pipeline bringing natural gas from Nigeria to Europe.
Military Observer Telegram channel is saying that the bodies of Prigozhin and Utkin have been found.
Fox News headlines (radio only) had this going non stop today when I was listening to Conservative Radio. Of course with Jennifer Griffin doing the commentary. Every time I see her on the tv or radio I automatically knows is propaganda!
I’ll take #4 for $200, Alex!
first thing that would be natural to think if true is sabotage
A wealthy wanted man and a gold mine of information, he most certainly didn’t want anyone looking for him. Imagine the torture-prone CIA capturing him, OMG. Or surviving a drone attack, multiple injuries, and left in a mangled state for the rest of his life.
Fed up with the saber dangling over his head, and with Putin’s blessing for above-average services rendered, he is retired on a minor island somewhere in Russia, growing his beard.
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_islands_of_Russia