This is a totally freehand writing for CTH readers, not written with any intent other than our conversation.
For a long time, I have written various forms of an article and deleted it – crumpled it up and thrown it away… because it’s just so hard to write about.
However, an insightful comment by Dutchman today has just pushed me to write it. Unlike most writing, this is no notes, few citations, just thoughts.
You guys are having a discussion about Larry Hogan’s commentary to CBS News.
In the middle of the discussion, someone writes the familiar and common sentiment about Ron DeSantis, a reasonably decent and good governor, doing his big politically stupid run for 2024. Dutchman responds:
DUTCHMAN – […] “IMHO, you and others who express your sentiment, don’t REALLY “get it”;
The WHOLE reason DeSantis was the most popular Governor throughout his first term, was a CON;
EVERY action he took as Governor, was a political calculation planned and intended to create the image of “the free State of Florida” and RDS as “Trump lite”.
It wasn’t that “he changed” after getting the $millions, he was ALWAYS terrible at connecting with voters, a terrible campaigner, and he was NEVER MAGA; it was all a “PR.” or advertising campaign to create a totally artificial, and unconnected from reality IMAGE.
And it is that IMAGE that people “fell in love with” and it never existed.
This is important because if people don’t understand this, recognize they were “conned” and understand HOW they were manipulated, they will keep falling for it, every time.
However, once you understand your own vulnerability to being manipulated, accept you need to CHANGE how you view things, THEN you won’t need someone else (like Sundance) to point it out to you, again.
5 minutes of OBJECTIVELY looking at a candidate, will be about 4 1/2 minutes more than necessary, to spot the phonies.” (link)
Perhaps, let me take you back to the spring of 2022 in my thoughts, and show you just how subtle, weird and difficult it is to really understand the nature of this political world we are in right now. A political world where nothing is what it seems. I have been inside this research rabbit hole for over a decade, so bear with me.
[SIDEBAR – Y’all know how I dug, and dug, and dug, and dug into the GOPe after the 2012 election to figure out just how the powers that be are able to construct the illusion of choice. From that research I was able to drill down into the raw material, the stuff they actually did, that outlined the concept of the “splitter strategy”, which I then held in my notes until 2015 while watching for the replay. The work back in 2012 helped me to foresee what would happen in 2016, and like clockwork, it rolled out exactly as expected.]
In the winter of 2021 and spring of 2022, every Spidey-sense within me said Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is setting himself up for a 2024 run for the GOP nomination. Every data point that I was looking at aligned with it happening, and that included the part that no one was paying attention to in 2016.
♦BACKGROUND – In 2015, when Marco Rubio filed to run as a candidate for the 2016 GOP nomination for President, then little known one-term congressman Ron DeSantis filed to run for Rubio’s Senate seat. WTF? DeSantis’ only real qualification to run for that Florida Senate seat was a big donor assist from the Club 4 Growth. CfG supported DeSantis in Congress, big time – and CfG was the financial mechanism behind DeSantis in 2016 to take the Rubio Senate seat if he won the GOP nomination. Just keep this in mind.
In the latter part of 2021 and early 2022, all of the obscure stuff in the background of DeSantis looked like he was being positioned to run in 2024.
It was January 6, 2022, when someone (Pushaw) organized that influencer confab at the governor’s office. However, and this is where my own intellectual bias comes into play at times defeating my cynicism, I kept telling myself there’s no way DeSantis could be so stupid.
No way, regardless of all the mechanics that were paving this path, that Ron DeSantis would be stupid enough to run against a likely reelection bid by Donald Trump. For over six months, I kept putting the human factor at the forefront and forcing myself to ignore all of the datapoints that indicated DeSantis was being managed to do this. After all, c’mon, he’s not a stupid guy…. I kept telling myself.
Even in July 2022, every time the thought crossed my mind to revisit this issue, I kept making the mistake of denying the data, denying what was visible, simply because the alternative to stupidity was almost unthinkable in scale.
♦The Alternative – If DeSantis wasn’t stupid, and if DeSantis was indeed going to run for 2024, the alternative to stupidity was a long-term plan… A plan that would have been laid out essentially before his first campaign in 2018…. A plan that times to the exact same moments when Paul Ryan and the other GOPe member of congress announced they were not seeking midterm reelection for Trump’s midterm race…. A plan that coincided with buckets of former CIA operatives running for congress in both the Democrat and Republican races in that 2018 midterm…. A plan that had Eric Holder working in California to trigger the first ballot harvesting test run….
If DeSantis wasn’t stupid, the alternative was that he was part of a larger operation being carried out by the real power brokers who control U.S. elections, the billionaire donors and control agents, ie. “The Big Club.”
Now, stay with me… Under this scenario, if DeSantis wasn’t stupid, then he was always a controlled ‘political’ operative waiting to be triggered and have his career boosted by the Big Club crowd who funded him. Names like Bush, Clinton, Cheney, McCain, Romney and McConnell all circle this controlled orbit.
The odd, and seemingly impossible, DeSantis registration to run for the Florida Senate seat of Marco Rubio aligned with this almost conspiratorial outlook; except it wasn’t based on conspiracy theory, it was just a big datapoint, sitting there – staring back.
All of the data aligned that way, but I kept telling myself to ignore it – because at a certain point human reason has to be placed into the analysis, and there’s no way that DeSantis would be so stupid. Surely, regardless of how much he was controlled and influenced, he -the person- would have the ability to say, “No, this is just silly.”
That said, throughout the spring and summer of 2022, 80% of the objective data, and even more when considered in historic context, indicated DeSantis was going to enter the 2024 election at the behest of the people who control the Republican National Committee, the Republican Governors Association and the various political fundraising committees in both the House and Senate along with PAC’s and Superpacs.
In essence, if DeSantis was indeed planning a 2024 White House run, then all of the datapoints reconciled. If he wasn’t going to run, then there was just a lot of coincidental questions that didn’t make sense in the activity.
When faced with that scenario, you apply the scientific method and try to prove the opposite of the thesis.
Could I prove: DeSantis was *not* going to run and was *not* under the control of the Big Club (Sea Island et al)? The answer was no.
Now it’s July 2022. The headlines were all about Donald Trump and the conflicts with the NARA over documents and presidential records. Something was coming.
I told myself to put away all of the DeSantis questions until that moment with Trump was triggered; then wait and see how he responds.
If DeSantis is abhorred by the outcome of the DOJ/FBI targeting of Florida resident Trump, then he likely was not part of the plan to use him. However, if DeSantis was not abhorred by whatever was being cooked up, well, that would tell a big story.
On August 8th, 2022, when the FBI raided the home of Donald Trump, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sent out one short twitter comment from his “personal” page and then went fully silent and invisible.
Despite his extremely high Florida visibility, literally almost every single day of the year holding press conferences and media events, DeSantis went fully into a bunker after the raid, and for five days was completely silent and missing from the public. There was no opportunity to question DeSantis about his feelings on the raid.
Instead, the people managing the governor broadcast two pre-recorded video messages about innocuous subjects and never made a public appearance.
Simultaneously, the people around the governor restructured a newly branded national campaign, and launched a national tour outside the State of Florida immediately after the five days in the bunker. These tours are planned long in advance, so someone knew something.
Mid-August 2022, the national tour, the book, the media use, the change in tone and personality, the new branding message, the people visited for fundraising, all of it… carefully scripted, long planned and being executed on cue. All prior polling showed a double-digit lead in Florida. Democrats had pulled out of financing; the Democrat Governors Association didn’t put in a dime to support Charlie Crist, and yet DeSantis was banging a big tin cup raking in tens-of-millions.
Immediately, I said that’s it… that’s enough. The evidence is overwhelming… It’s August 2022, and its crystal-clear; DeSantis is running for 2024, and I was confident outlining every step in the customary sequence that would take place including the timing of his announcement to May 2023. It was all obvious.
But back to the scenario…. Back to the discussion y’all are having…. Back to my original thoughts in 2021….
….If DeSantis isn’t stupid, that means?
It means exactly what Dutchman has just said. “This is important because if people don’t understand this, recognize they were “conned” and understand HOW they were manipulated, they will keep falling for it, every time.”
It means Ron DeSantis was a Big Club operation put into play in 2018.
Start there, review the timeline, review the events and everything makes sense. Republicans are very good at creating the illusion of choice. They are doing it again, only this time they are failing.
Now Ron “Desanctimonius” makes sense.
SD may have his dates off.
October 2021 was when Casey Desantis announced the “breast cancer”.
I said to myself then, he is running for President.
Because you see, actors and actresses get their PR company to announce they have cancer (for publicity), so they can get repeated publicity to report on their treatments for said cancer, and even more publicity later when they get “cured”.
Sundance Said
Watch how DeS supports Trump as a clue to how he is doing.
This afternoon has a tweet by VernonforGa saying from “Conservative Brief ”
DeS supports Trump and blasts DOJ, says he will break up 2-tiered justice system if elected and pardon Trump.”
So here is a tell that DeS is not doing so hot looking for support from the grassroots.
Do you trust him yet?
Nah, not me.
Once trust is lost . . . (dot dot dot)
Nope, he thinks we’re gullible, stupid, and not paying attention.
So, your saying he thinks were democratic voters?
ROFLOL!
Ha! Ha!
Unfortunately, I have enough family members, on our side mind you, who are either not paying attention or they are being censored.
Most of these people are elderly and not tech savvy and seeing how search engines are hiding data I truly believe that information is being hidden from them.
I beg to differ with those fools, and as Exhibit 1,
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/tiktok-users-viral-rant-shows-trump-supporters-unwavering/
Or we can elect President Trump, who can pardon himself (if the fake charges even hold together that long) and has a true passion for ripping the Deep State a few additional orifaces.
Even IF DeSantis were genuine (if elected, I’d fully expect him to announce a week after the swearing in that some regulation he wasn’t aware of prevents him from being able to pardon President Trump)… why settle for the tribute band when the genuine article is still on tour?
Pardon President Trump for what exactly?
For supporting Rona as head of RNC – what was he thinking?
Perhaps figure out the sources of this mistaken belief?
There are countless video clips of President Trump refusing to take sides in the RNC election.
After the election, Mike Lindell confirmed that PDJT stayed out of it.
Who hyped Harmeet as the “outsider” challenging the corrupt RNC yet ignored Mike? Who made a big deal out of this years RNC election and why?
Team Ron?
At the last minute, Ron endorsed brave “outsider” Harmeet and a campaign surrogate, Pedro Gonzalez, tweeted out the lie that PDJT had endorsed corrupt insider Rona.
This tweeted lie was then amplified by Rons Media Psyop Machine; a Machine that fuels then exploits fear, rage and hate.
Cozette,
Good catch, I fell for that one, the old “repeat a lie often enough ” trick,….3rd time this month!
He is assuming, with his statement that President Trump ( Did he finally say President Trump’s name?) will be tried and convicted cuz gotta be convicted to be pardoned.
Notice not saying stop the madness or stop the sham indictment or calling out Barr for his supporting this witch hunt.
Just one more step, based on understanding that the billionaires in the Big Club are many things, but stupid is not one of them.
No one would do this unless it was determined beforehand that Donald J Trump would be destroyed, and withal unable to claim the ’24 GOP nomination. Lawfare is one approach, but there are others. RFK Junior is saying the quiet part out loud.
And he would know.
That’s my concern as well. Pray your Rosaries like never before folks!
Read about the many miracles attributed to it, for centuries. Do not be afraid of mother Mary! She is the best mother, and Christ gave her to us as our mother!!!
There is a direct line to heaven’s throne thru Jesus Christ if you are a child of God.
I will be praying directly to the only mediator between us and God – his son Jesus Christ.
I read today that my president had the nuclear codes and miliary secrets. He was president. Who is he supposed to give those to? The next president? The senate? The unelected archives? Tell me.
Another excellent column, forward to everyone you can think of.
Who is the Edward G. Robinson looking dude in that photo with Bubba and Bush I?
George Wallace of Alabama
Thanks, didn’t recognition his as he is obviously older in that photo.
I don’t think he was ever young.
Hmm, that’s interesting. Gov Wallace died in 1998, if I am remembering correctly. I met him in 1983. Far too many don’t know “the rest of the story” involving him. His predecessor, the one who beat him in 1958 “out segged” him and won. Said former governor died just a few years ago, at 100 if I am again remembering correctly. Former Gov. Wallace was quite ill then and slowly declined more in health later. If GCW is in that picture, it doesn’t seem right, to me.
Hmm, slow loading. Yes, that is Gov. Wallace in that picture with a very young William Clinton and one of the Bushes, HW, I think.
Pappy Bush
Yes HW.
I believe they were all governors at that time. Alabama, Arkansas, and Texas.
Ah. I know that George Wallace was ill in 1983. I met him in the hospital. Checking the records does say his last term was 83 to 87.
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I agree, Obama was ID’ed during his prep school days in HI.
grateful, as always . . . thank you, Sundance!
From 2018 (click on 2 links):
Jeb Bush to help raise money for RdS
Koch-backed super PAC endorses Ron DeSantis for governor
Never trust those jag officers. Those guys tried to throw me in the brig.
jag offs,…right?
It is all a con financed by billionaires with their own agenda. Ron accomplished what he was allowed to accomplish. His speeches are scripts written by someone else. His affect is flat. He lacks people skills.
Ron the manufactured Governor what original thoughts does he have?
Seriously questioning Casey DeSantis’ cancer diagnosis at this point, TBH, and I do not say that lightly…everything feels SO scripted!
epiphanies come in all shapes and sizes.
But we have fallen for it for decades: McCain, Romney, the Bushes.
And we’ll continue to go along as long as we look to the rotting hulk of the republican party to bail us out.
That’s been over for decades.
We gotta Whig em and we have to do it fast.
It’s why many of us won’t vote anymore unless it’s Trump.
I’m done voting.
Same here.
If somehow they take Trump out before the nomination, MAGA must come together & deny DeFraud & his shrill, social climbing wife, ANY elected office outside the state of Florida.
President Trump is my Captain during these Storms. I will take directions from him and in the .meantime I will pray AND do all I can do to help him succeed.
Unlike the tune out and drop out vouces, President Trump says each day to get MORE INVOLVED. Its do or die time.
From President Trump:
https://theprecinctstrategy.com.
Here’s what President Trump, and his allies like Bannon, have been asking people to do but naturally everyone is free to refuse to help President Trump.
https://theprecinctstrategy.com.
Hang together or lose and hang separately?
Time to Choose. Decision Day. D Day.
As a genuine advocate and firm supporter of Sundance and CTH because of the quality and excellence here, I find the depth of awareness displayed here outstrips most of what passes for analysis these days. I read the postings here daily, if not thoroughly and thank you for the monumental effort and characteristic integrity you display.
. I have a fair, albeit out-of-date, familiarity with the intelligence and military players in DC and to some extent, still support aspects of those communities. The insights and details you discuss here since 2016 into the criminal misbehavior of folks throughout the Swamp and the awareness legions of allies Obama salted away into the mid-level, senior SES levels of the Swamp is amazingly accurate and insightful in my opinion.
A supportive predicate to cushion a critical consideration- beware of making correlations too linear and single-themed. The titanic forces in play across our national landscape are myriad, and disparate, with goals rarely in strong parallel. The streams of effort and focus are less unified and more layers and concentric co-incidence which are rarely geosynchronous over time. They are more a brownian movement of topic/motive bubbles reacting to macro pressures, most often of non-sentient origin. The leftward drift of our nation has been accelerated greatly by the Lightbringer and the Hildabeest era, but it was in motion before them and after. They have been bundled and chohesive for some time now but are fraying rapidly. It is not MAGA and the Marxists as a simple bifurcation, but more like a spaghetti casserole.
It is the nature of systemic entropy, and while history doesn’t repeat itself, it often rhymes. the adage about “hard men and good times…” at work on every empire since the Hittites i suspect. We should not go quietly into the night, but twilight is upon us I fear,
Yeah, twilight is upon us, good, it’s always darkest before the dawn, man plans and God laughs.
yep
I agree 100%. I have noticed that trolls don’t last long at this site.
We don’t all agree all of the time, which is to be expected, but the majority of people here, love and respect the U.S. Constitution. It’s God, family, country for us.
For the younger visitors, 99% of the problems exist because the constitution has been ignored and bastardized for too many years.
Since I can no longer edit, I wanted to clarify that I agree 100% with your first paragraph and 99% with the rest.
I believe that centralized power is almost always bad news. There are many layers, but centralized power, and that can be local centralized power, as opposed to state, country, continent and planetary centralized power, is equally dangerous.
I would actually propose that tyranny starts locally and spreads until it eventually bites off more than it can chew so to speak and can’t expand further.
There was a RNC nominee race this Tuesday in VA and a outspoken MAGA candidate lost by 300 some votes. Interesting how that works out?
State Senator Amanda Chase was actually winning by 270 votes at 7:30 PM Tuesday. At 8:30pm the vote flipped exactly to Sturtevant her opponent, a total RINO . I am in Chase’s district and this is a conservative, MAGA county. She has been in office since 2015.
A third candidate, Tina Ramirez, was the spoiler. She actually hauled in more $ than both other candidates. Most likely got alot of funding from Democrats to take votes from Chase( Ramirez got over 4,000) to make it a close race which makes it easier to cheat.
So frustrating, this war on MAGA candidates from the Uniparty.
Time to get deceitful…it works in politics.
This is an example of the RINO multi candidate splinter program in action. The splinter allow the effect of fraud efforts to make a difference. These same splinter candidates re-appear each primary election in some states like North Carolina. In future elections they need to be called out and pay a professional and a local personal price for their sellout actions to facilitate the uniparty elections.
She should contest.
Follow that money. I bet the end result would be very interesting.
That’s VERY encouraging. Lost by only 300 votes in Deep State VA? Wow.
God bless all Light Hearteds who are doing what President Trump asked rather than doom posting from the sidelines.
https://theprecinctstrategy.com.
Ready to read it, spread it and do it? If not NOW, when?
Offering a hopefully helpful saying:
The past is history. The future’s a mystery. Right NOW is a gift, perhaps the last one, that’s why its called THE PRESENT.
WE, MAGA REALLY need precinct Captains in EVERY precinct, and there are STILL far too many vacancies.
WE, MAGA have our work cut out for us, as in all big cities we will need a GOTV or “Legal ballot harvesting operation” of unprecedented size.
“Legal bsllot harvesting”
is actually just an extension of “GOTV”; finding “your” voters, motivating them to vote, EDUCATING them about HOW to vote, encouraging them to vote, and removing any riadblicks to them voting.
For MAGA voters that live in rural, red districts there probably is no need, other than addressing those who may be discouraged, saying “why bothet, they will kust steal it, again” which is relstively easy to overcome, and at least you know you have found a MAGA voter, because only MAGA would say that.
However, for those living in a large, metro city (where the cheating occurs ) our voters simply CAN NOT make it easy for the cheaters to suppress our votes, by insisting on voting “in person, on election day.”
HOW they should vote, will depend on the LOCALE where they live, and on the specifics unique TO that locale.
As an example, in Maracopa County, uniquely any resudent of maracopa county, can vote at any polling location.
Not sure that is true, anywhere else in the country.
Point is, this MAGA voter education effort will need to be by people local to the area, and giving instructions appropriate TO that area.
And, thats exactly what PRECINCT Captains DO; supervise groups of volonteers to do jyst that: contacting by door to door, by phone, by text and email.
So yes, be a precinct captain, or a volonterr with The R party, or the Trump campaign, or in Az with the effort associated with KL, or seek out “election integrity groups” in your state.
There is MUCH to do, and many needed to do it, and different skill sets.
This is extremely important!
I’ll put my hand up. I had thought RdS was doing well as Governor. Later, learning from Sundance, I realized that everything RdS was ‘fixing’ were manufactured, synthetic, purpose-created, social issues. Nothing of substance.
If RdS actually fixed the social issues like abortion and the transgender monsters it would be substance. Rds has not fixed the social issues because the billionaires love evil and hate good.
The oligarchs direct him what to change and what not to change.
Puppet on a string at this point.
Be nice if he could help fix the insurance debacle here in Florida. Bringing in more money than ever…where is it going?
It would be of substance but not do anything to save our country from total usurpation with crumbling economy at apocalyptic proportions.
Tailored to appeal to someone that would vote for Trump but where no globalist venture is harmed. I noticed the same thing…..social issues.. Granted flushing 5he education system of groomers and leftists is important but he’s not really done that.
Policy for good governorship is not a mystery. It just takes will, or permission to do it. In every way that DeSantis was a good Governor, it was that way because he had permission. His stand on COVID is case in point. He and his staff made noise, and got monoclonals, but if he was legit, the vaxx would have been banned in Florida. The vaxx remains the sacred cow. If someone successfully attacks it, then pay attention. If they pin it on Trump, then you know it is a big club op.
We have a couple of repeat commenters here who often do exactly that.
Or it may just be one aspiring RolCon under many different names: one who is too much of a dullard to grasp what will never work here…
ONE State Governor could have destroyed the whole Covid narrative, very quickly by doing two things, well within his/her and the States Public health authority.
Firstly, declare HCQ and Ivermectine as OTC, and second instruct every hospital to report every week, to the State, the # of admissions WITH Covid, seperate from the # of admissions FROM Covid, and ditto for deaths.
State health depts issue hospitals “Certificate if need” basically a licence to operate. If State /County health says “do it” they do.
Such weekly reporting, made public would have utterly destroyed the Covid narrative, and WE could see, early on what they were doing to jack up/conflate the #’s.
The whole “battle with the Feds” over “covalent plasma was a put up job.
You’re right of course. This proves the dearth of leadership in times that require leadership.
But seriously, what Governor is doing something concrete and useful…today?!
I haven’t seen one.
Sadly, that was one of the things Gov Ivey was rolled on. Birx came and personally lobbied Gov. Ivey. While AL didn’t go full CA/NY, we didn’t match GA or FL, as much as we could have. The numbers were FUBARed, royally FUBARed; but who not able to get the ear of the right people and show them the way, was going to do much against that “public health” tyranny? Only a handful of folk were able to buck it. And, by the way, while I do trust total, all cause death numbers, even then categories within the total can, and have been, manipulated. Total deaths from covid, in my opinion, were a tenth of the reported numbers; which included true and false with covid numbers.
That reminds me, are they still using 2017 population estimates as the baseline for excess deaths? If so, why not use 2021 or 2022 numbers? /rhetorical.
Well done, Sundance. You ain’t crazy. The signs are there now that DeSantis and his backers are panicking that people aren’t running to him in droves, as well. He’s pilfering Trump policies and trying to appeal to America Firsters directly.
The Deep State ain’t done, though. And there are no coincidences. The Baier interviews, and now the IRS whistle-blower “revelations” are timed specifically to do two things: 1) Convince those who don’t know any better that Trump “incriminated” himself on the interview, and 2) Now starts the ball rolling for JoeMentia* to bow out of the race, so they can replace him with Newsom. Boebert threw a wrench into the works with her impeachment ploy, but it appears the Uni-Party are finding a way around that.
I’ve said for a long time that the illusion of choice this election cycle will be Newsom v DeSantis. And they ain’t happy with us plebs not going along with the program. At this point, when (not if) Smith indicts Trump on sedition charges, they will move to jail him, or limit his movement. Count on it. Basically, to get the “race” they want at this point, they won’t have any choice.
If necessary he will run from jail and we will vote for him.
It’s been done before.
I agree, it’s a done deal already.
It’s like watching the tidal waves in the ocean.
You can see the wave coming but you can’t stop it.
I feel absolutely terrible for the Trump family. He will pay for the government’s misdeeds.
Hopefully people will be inspired to pray for every nostradamus doomer they encounter.
Every encounter provides great practice that builds psywar savvy and spiritual discernment.
No, they will not jail him; the challenges are insurmountable, they lose far more than they gain, and to state with assurance that they will is absurd.
I really don’t see them gaining MUCH, by switching Nuisance for Joe.
Would ANYONE think or believe that Gavin was going to change any of the Biden admin policies?
its the policies of the admin. that have even Dems running from Joe.
Is gavin going to promise to “drill, baby drill” which is needed to get the economy going.
They may well do it, but can’t see any advantage.
And, if Joe is pushed out due to his scandals, doesn’t that tarnish everyone in Dem party, including whoever they out in his place?
In fact, not good for all of those Repubs who said after 2020 “I have known Joe for 40+ years, worked with him in the Senate, he’s a great guy!”
All due respect, Dutchman, but what exactly do they “lose?” The message is the point in their persecution of Trump. I never said they would SUCCEED in jailing Trump, but I fully expect them to try. The sedition/seditious conspiracy indictment will come down in the DC Circuit. Do you think Beryl Howard was the only committed communist in that court? I don’t.
As to Newsom replacing JoeMentia* … You are operating from a misconception, imo. A misconception I had for years. I actually thought most people voted for the candidate whose policy would most benefit them. There might have been a time when that was true, but it is no more. MOST people – and I would say better then 75% of the population – vote their EMOTIONS, not policy. What do the Dems gain with Newsom? First and foremost, someone who is actually articulate. Compared to JoeMentia*, Newsom is Shakespeare. Newsom looks good, attractive, nice hair. Never mind that CA is a mess. Younger white women will flock to Newsom. Especially the single ones. Hannity badgered Newsom in his interview, and Newsom never cracked, never wavered, and never lost his cool. I think you are sadly mistaken that it is the policy that has Dems running from Joe. Dems are running from Joe, because Joe is embarrassing them and showing them just how stupid they were to vote for him in ’20. It’s not his policy (because, it’s not HIS policy) that are chasing them away, it is how JoeMentia* makes THEM look for voting for him. I often use my Democrat voting brother as an example for how the average Democrat makes their decision in voting. Prior to the ’20 (s)election, I walked him through all of Trump’s policies that were benefiting him- low energy prices, booming economy, low inflation, his 401k soaring, on down the list. He agreed with ALL of it. And then I said, “But, you are still going to vote for Biden, aren’t you?” “Yep.” “Why?” “Trump’s an a$$hole, and I can’t vote for an a$$hole.” True story. Recently, we briefly talked again. He doesn’t want to vote Biden, but won’t vote for Trump, nor DeSantis. When I asked him his reasons for not liking DeSantis, “He’s sticking his nose where it doesn’t belong.” referencing DeSantis’ policies on library books, etc. My brother is not an outlier. I’ve talked to others who give me very similar reasons. I tell you all that, to tell you this:
The average voter, left or right, DOESN’T VOTE POLICY. They vote for how a candidate makes them feel. And Newsom will make them feel good about their vote. At least in Oct/Nov of ’24. We have the same problem on the right with DeSantis. Most RonBots can’t tell you a single national policy point DeSantis has articulated. But, ask them the “why?” question and they will give you “look what he’s done in Florida, and we can’t win with Trump.” Those are feelings. Another thing you will get is, “Trump is exhausting.” Another feeling.
Finally, as to JoeMentia*’s scandals. No, it won’t tarnish the Dem party. The Dem party has been lying to the American people ever since Trump came down the escalator in 2015. Has it “tarnished” them yet? Adam Schiff was just censured for his lies, and the left cheered! The narrative will be spun that JoeMentia* was obviously worse off then anyone thought (mentally) and his son Hunter suckered him in and blah, blah, blah. They will pin the scandal on Hunter as much as possible, and JoeMentia* will be the poor old man who got taken in by his rotten son.
The seditious conspiracy/sedition indictment IS coming. Whether or not they succeed, Smith and his henchmen WILL try to limit the movements of Trump, citing among other things Trump’s pending case on mishandling of classified documents, and his Espionage Act charges. The case will be heard in DC Circuit. I place the odds at 50-50 that they get their way. And I stand by that. Their goal isn’t necessarily to imprison Trump – though, they will take it if they can get it. The goal is the message in the process punishment: Stand up against the Uni-Party Deep State and this, too, will happen to you.
DeSantis talked about his policies, that are actually Trump policies like they never happened. Has he said his name yet?
I’ve learned in life there are points when you just have to back off and ask yourself the question: what should “truth” and therefore “real” reality look like. It has served me well over seven plus decades. Sundance has it nailed. Murdoch, Barr, Mitch and virtually the whole republican “apparatus” are pulling every string possible to take down Trump and they have been from the moment Comey, Clapper and Brennan gave Trump “the briefing”. Obviously, it was already prepped long in advance but that was when it went live. I called my Senator’s office the next day and said, “there’s a coup taking place.” I look back now and wonder how my intuition was so correct. Just lots of human and political experiences filtered through the truth of God’s Word. Then, I run across this character Sundance and the CTH. I don’t know who he is but we’ve obviously been formed by the same forces. What an encouragement to know you’re not alone. I thank Sundance and many fellow “Treepers” for their enlightenment. Keep thinking, keep discerning, keep praying and fight the good fight. In the end it’s about the individual’s liberty granted by the Creator not naked power or the almighty dollar. The cause is good and just when guided by God fearing folks.
Keep up the fight Sundance. You’re not in the quicksand. You’re guiding a path through the swamp and we’re with you.
Well said,fellow treeper…
The simple fact that he is running against Trump is the tell. Sooner or later he was GOING to have to shift from the PR stuff to taking up positions against Trump. Quite simply, you can’t oppose Trump and Make America Great Again.
An intelligent man playing the long game goes all in for Trump, angles for VP, and tries to do a Judas Pence once elected.
There is literally no need for Trump to consider any of his opponents nor any of their advisors for key positions in Government. It’s as if they all put on SS arm bands and started goose stepping around the stage.
The clarifying moment for most of us was the smash and grab robbery at MAL. I think DeSantis’ cowardice exposed his fraud to anyone paying marginal attention. I was a skeptic that he was eGOP. But I also know that these people are utterly incapable of faking MAGA. Sooner or later, the lizard people decloak. All I had to do was wait.
Right now, DeSantis is Jeb Bush. The timing is about the same.
Sundance, thank you. I apologize for not being able to read all of the replies before posting. Since there are so many replies on every post, I just can’t, even when I’d dearly love to reply. 😊
I became aware of DeSantis in 2017, when he was in the House. He appeared on FNC quite a bit as surrogate defending Trump. After a while, he disappeared. I thought it was because he was running for Governor.
Could he have been approached before he became Governor? Or, was it as a result of him becoming Governor? On the surface, he has a great “story”.
I’m going to give my biden 7cents..
I believe DeSantis to be another gubernatorial opportunist. That said, I believe that Trump’s EGO has doomed him to a 2nd term as Potus. He STILL will not admit that the vaccine is, well, to say the least, is UNefficacious ! .. to put things mildly. He will, to this day, boasts what a Great decision he are in promoting the whole warpspeed imbroglio.. NEVER ONCE apologizing for his lack of discernment in (1) the kind of “EXPERTS he himself hired.. into conjuring the public into a panic of phony despair.. to what end?well, self destruction via Big pHarma. Which leads to (2) He could of fired Herr Fauci, and pulled in someone who would explain to him the real facts re. the ‘China Virus’.. but he did no such thing, because he is incurious that regard.. believing that those ‘recommended’ to him by the backstabbing Rhino$/IC punks, had his back!
His Ego IS his worst own enemy!
….”He could of fired Herr Fauci”
Trump would have been run out of DC on a rail if he tried that. Not only did all the Democrats adore Fauci, all the Republicans did as well. A little fact which has been memory holed.
And the vax was effective at reducing deaths. It’s hated because it was made mandatory, but that was not Trump’s doing.
‘and the vax was effective at reducing deaths.’
OK, pull the other one JP.
We do NOT actually know that the mRNA vax was effective at reducing deaths.
Those who died may have succumbed to the seasonal flu which takes many lives, year after year, no matter one’
s vax status.
What on earth makes you think the vax was effective at reducing deaths? There’s not an iota of evidence to support that except manipulated data. Maybe do some research on the annual death toll from ALL CAUSE DEATHS and that will put “illnesses” into perspective for you. I’m sooooooooooo glad I didn’t take one of those shots and I’m also very glad my doctor didn’t buy into all that garbage either. But really, do look into that ALL cause death number thing. It’ll amaze you what’s out there killing people that you haven’t thought of or heard of in years. covid was always a scam. It was about elevating that little pisher Fauxchee and his mentors. It was never about helping people and Trump saw through all of that, too. I really wish he’d done something about it (well, he did recommend the alternatives to the shot but no one would listen to him) but you’re right – – they would have run him out of town on a rail. How sad that we cannot tell the truth in this bastardized country since biden and his crime family took the reins.
Once the vaxx was available, the NWOs justification for total lock downs ended.
10 MONTHS versus the time line the NWO had made public ie 10 YEARS.
You Tube. Hunt for Red October. Scene. Combat tactics, Mr Ryan.
How to survive INESCAPABLE torpedoes?
ACCELERATE towards them (at warp speed?) so they hit before they’re fully operational.
President Trump did NOT have the authority to fire Fauci. However he did replace him at the daily covid briefings with Dr Atlas.
Those who don’t even know basic facts are far easier for the NWOs Media Psyop Machines to exploit. Unfortunately, part of being exploited includes unwittingly spreading the NWOs psyop lies ie their mind viruses, far and wide.
Neither Trump nor any of us knew then. what he/we know now. Judging other using hindsight shows lack of logical thinking if one actually believes it.
We all knew Ronna Romney McDaniel was a rino snake yet PDJT did not fight her election as head of RNC. Sad.
fragemall,
A) you do not pick a fight, that you know you will lose.
PDJT endorsing Harmeet Dillion or Mike Lindell would not have made any difference, Ronna would have won, anyway.
However, his having come out against her, could be used to claim he isn’t a “team player” and be used to “censure” (throw him out of the party).
Its sad that so many here, are still so naive about how politics actually works.
“Hindsight is the first thing you see, when you jerk your head outta yer *ss!”
No he told you about Hydroxychlorquin, quinine and zinc as affordable treatments showing results in India and Korea. He handed the vax decisions to the State governors to decide what was best for their state. It was a State not a Federal decision to make. Stop this nonsense distraction about his ability at the National level to mandate as president. Decisions regarding state policy are reserved for the states.
We all know as per Sundances mentions that the attack policy on Trump to aide the uniparty candidate is the Covid policy decisions. Last night we were sucked into this nonsense routine. We see the strings!
Yawn!!!
Blah, blah, blah. We’ve heard this song before and it just does not resonate with us. Try a different website.
“His EGO IS his own worst enemy”.
Projection, like dreams, once recognized and understood, can lead to profound and rapid growth.
God speed.
OK been here a long time & cannot remember Sundance not being here.Now i think he deserves a vacation away from the politics,before 24 heats up. Who’s gonna fill in for a week or 2? think we have the answer now.
He deserves time off if he wants it, but no one can take his place. Not possible. Kinda like trying to replace Rush !
Did ‘Dutchman’ fall for McCain? For Romney? Full disclosure – I supported and voted for Romney. Was I duped? No, I would NEVER vote for an Obama.
Yes, the GOPe has been good with illusion. Just like the GOPe really wants Biden again, in spite of the RDS cover.
Do I think our elections aren’t rigged? NO.
A tell is that a true forensic audit of our elections still isn’t required. Why not? /rhetorical Our elections most certainly can and have been rigged. I also know of folk who’ve done prison time for election fraud (absentee ballot at the time), while the politician behind it got a slap on the wrist. A D, naturally, and said pol had been run out of one or two other counties before his last one.
I voted for Sarah Palin, hoping McStain might not survive his term, frankly.
2012 was my major break; I had too much sympathy for the poll workers, knowing if I voted for Romney, that I would projectile vomit all over the booth and polling place.
Seriously, I did NOT vote for Romney, and 8 million R voters joined me in not voting for Romney.
No, I didn’t vote for anyone for POTUS that year.
Yes, that meant another 4 years of Obummer, which may well have been the deciding factor for DJT to run, and to win in 2016.
And yes, I sleep fine, thank you.
I will NEVER knowingly vote for a RINO, again.
Sooner chew my fingers off, and rip my arm off, than use them to vote for a RINO.
But, that commitment means doing EVERYTHING I can, to A) really ‘check out’ the candidates, so I don’t unknowingly vote for a Rino, and working as hard as I can to insure I have MAGA candidates to vote FOR.
Knowing what we know now, can it really be believed that 8 million Republicans stayed home? As long as we believe there was a movement to stay home, we do not have to see the election was stolen.
In ’12? I don’t know if it was 8 million, but there were lots. I only voted R in ’08 because of Sarah Palin. McCain I greatly disliked. I knew the Obama was a fake; so didn’t vote for him. I held my nose in ’12, but Obama; no way. May have written in that year, for I didn’t like Romney, either. I won’t vote for a D unless I know them personally, particularly for a national office. ’24, it is PDJT or write-in.
Always wondered about that Florida Red Wave, maybe the establishment threw that 20pt win to make Meatball look invincible
As far as I can tell, “Dutchman” didn’t say anything that isn’t true about any politician at the top of the state or federal government. All of their actions are political calculations used to create an image. It takes no effort at all to spot the phonies, because they are all phonies to some degree.
How else do you think they can be against something when campaigning (I’m looking at you, ObamaCare) and then fail to get rid of it when they get the chance (I’m staring into hell at you, McCain)?
Even a libertarian darling like Rand Paul would become a hardened neocon global warhawk if the decision was made to remove all the Army bases in Kentucky, even though we’re unlikely to be attacked by the Indians on the frontier these days.
There’s no doubt in my mind that RdS was guided by people who planned on PDJT not running again. Whether they were actively involved in the scheme or politically prescient to some degree, we’ll probably never confirm. But we “know.”
Kentucky’s previous governor, Matt Bevin, was maga and a true reformer who took on the corrupt and bloated school pension deficit. Entire state except Louisville, Lexington and s Cincy supported him but those 3 areas had 110% turnout and Bevin loses by 5000 votes w/ obvious fraud. No fight from gop aka McConnell just rolled over and quit, wink wink.
Matt Bevin was persecuted daily in the Courier-Journal, plagued by frivolous lawsuits and the old seriousness of the charge BeeEss. He was a great governor but the teachers unions witches brought him down with help from turtle and the rest of the rinos.
If we don’t go no holds barred, it’s over.
Bevin flipflopped on his criticism of McConnell during the primary.
Do you believe that was the reason he lost?
No, just illustrating that they all do it.
Thomas sowell always said the first job of a politician is to get elected.
People never seem to notice or question why something is being injected into their conscious.
Same thing was done in Florida to anoint Jeb Bush.
When Jeb was governor of Florida, the national media said he was an excellent and very conservative governor.
And Jeb Bush actually enacted some good conservative policies in Florida.
It is the way of the conman.
The conman does something legitimately good — to gain trust.
And later, once trust is established, the conman digs in the knife.
These politicians are ALL FUNDED. To know what they will do, look at who funds them.
And ignore the globalist controlled “news” media. Or believe the opposite of whatever narrative the news media is pushing.
That picture of the Bill, Bush and Wallace – can anyone confirm where/when it was taken? It has a early 80’s Montgomery, Alabama vibe. I’m asking because many years back, my research started linking connections Rove and Bush’s had to Maxwell AFB in Montgomery. I guess I got side-tracked – for the life of me I can’t remember what the context of it all was. Anyone familiar?
I know several people who much prefer rfk to rds
Ohhhhh🤭
Sad.
I don’t think so. By the early 80s, in particular, his health was severely compromised and declining. Remember that after being shot in 1972, he was paralyzed from the waist down. Now, true, GW Bush was in the Air National Guard and spent time in or near Troy, if I am not mistaken. Maybe early 70s, just before that assassination attempt, or not long after it. It is hard to tell if he’s sitting in a normal chair or in a wheelchair. From Smithsonian mag: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/how-a-failed-assassination-attempt-pushed-george-wallace-to-reconsider-his-segregationist-views-180980063/ so it isn’t quite as neutral as one might think.
I was in AL at the time when he won his first term, in 1962. George Wallace was quite good at political LARPing. He *did* have NAACP support, even in 1962. I knew one older man than Wallace, who was in the NAACP, who told me so. That Foster Auditorium “stand” was staged. The students were quietly enrolled and given protection. After the September ’63 bombing of the 16th St. Church in Birmingham, he and subsequent administrations never stopped looking for the perps. That it took as long as it did tells you much about 60s/70s Jefferson County, AL.
Roughly 10 years after that “stand” there were roughly 1000 black students, and a bit less than 1000 foreign students, out of about 12,000 undergrads and a few thousand grads at the University of Alabama.
Maxwell is the *big* air force base here. So, maybe. Less likely to be Gunter AFS, which was still an active base in the 70s. Gunter now is just a VA office building group.
He was paralyzed from shooting in 72′ but was governor until 87′. Saw him a couple of times at Sahara Restaurant in Montgomery when I was a kid. He seemed then to still have command of the place like Don of the Cornbread Mafia.
He he. I saw him in a hospital bed in ’83. Happy to still be living ;p. Evidently our care helped him get better.
😁
Yes, definitely before 1972.
Interesting, we know that the statists have been marching since at least Wilson (1912), but this suggests that the UniParty was alive and well pre-1972.
Yes, very interesting.
I’m astounded daily here. Daily.
Try 1964; got rid of both candidates, because neithrr would hsve gone along with their neocon b.s.
One (Goldwater) thru political assasination, the other (JFK) thru literal.
So LBJ may have been first installed POTUS?
SD asks the question (paraphrased) “if it isn’t stupidity, what is it?”
The alternative attribution to “stupidity” is evil.
Of course, both can be true, but when looking at the long game, one of deception spanning generations, “evil” seems more appropriate.
The single thing that most convinced me that both wings of the Uniparty vulture were conspiring to fix the next presidential race was their behavior during the midterms. Even more blatant Democrat vote-rigging, even more conspicuous Republican vote-throwing (Arizona, Georgia, etc.), followed immediately afterward by nearly-unanimous agreement amongst conservative bien pensants that the red ripple was Trump’s fault. Dozens of articles, all at the same time, all saying the same thing, all ignoring voting fraud, all ignoring all the other obvious reasons (McConnell & McDaniel & the GOPe working against MAGA candidates couldn’t possibly have mattered?), and all saying Trump was now a proven loser, so the Republican Party had to move on to a more electable candidate. Going on two years later, the dumber ones — the National Review types — are still saying it. Which tells us all we need to know about what they think “winning” is — it’s “defending our democracy” from those horrible citizens.
George Carlin was wrong: it is actually a very tiny club, with very few members who are, however, very evil and rich.
The trick is to divorce them from those believing their lies and also following their orders, and that is difficult indeed.
Note how many thousands followed orders from Mao, Stalin, Hitler, et al. to murder millions. Of course, their method of “persuasion” was different from paying minions for obedience.
But we know that millions are true believers in Communism and do not need to be bribed or coerced in any way to pull the levers of Death.
The worst part about the true believers is they really do want to give communism another try. They think with today’s technology and more educated people, we can, in their own words “get it right this time.”
Yes, which belief makes them even more dangerous: a wrong idea being pushed with advanced technology and weaponry.
You’re right, it’s extremely dangerous.
That’s why I often call them utopian statists in my posts. You and I both know that they are statists pure and simple, but I try and give that fence-sitter with a little bit of doubt a chance to open his/her eyes/mind.
A small portion of them truly believe that it’s all about creating that impossible Utopia.
People with a real Judeo-Christian already know that is impossible. Man is flawed, how can man possibly create Utopia?
Spoiler alert, he can’t.
As I have said before, as it now stands, if they (et al) block PDJT I am going for RFK Jr. Again, as it stands now.
Yeah. Me too. If I had to choose between RDS and RFK Jr, I’m going with Jr.
Stop…just stop.
WSB, would that they would just stop!
Stupid is as stupid does, or influencers?
Hard to tell, as lack of intelligence abounds for both.
Yes, as WSB says, please think that through.
If you all dislike the UniParty, neither of them will change a thing in the long run.
Do a write-in.
someone else may have asked this already….But if DeSantis lost
the Governor’s race in 2018, how would all this play out? What was plan B?
Lindsey Gs call would have been Haley and Scott. Lindsey does have some power as we know.
They have many corruptocrats from whom to choose.
They would have had another in a New York Minute.
He was always going to win. The republicans control that state so they control the voter rolls.
the old naked guy in bed photo always works and sex gets attention
He would not have lost. It would have been flipped, conveniently. He went a begging to be endorsed bybPresident Trump because handlers wanted him to so could look legit or even end up legit he won. President Trump has played the UniParty trying to play him. His understanding the playbook exposed Ron, knowing he was being deceptive about not running, you know being a man of integrity etc., and then waited for just the right moment to introduce Mr. DeSanctimonous to the world who has a serious character flaw—-back-stabbing disloyalty.
Wonder why all those election fraud allegations have been disregarded by both parties and anyone who claims there was is a denier.
Waiting for DeSantis to proclaim that people don’t understand, that the one main reason he chose to run for President is to save Trump, probably he will say this at the first debate. Will say how horribly Trump has been hounded by the corrupt deep state, will promise to pardon him. He’ll say that the deep state has Trump between a rock and a hard place, they have it in for him and Trump can’t beat them this time. DeSantis is the only one who will make this a ‘day #1 priority’, as a fellow Floridian who has proven that he always takes care of the people in his state. DeSantis must endear himself to MAGADONIANS to win Trump voters. He will try to convince Trump supporters that Trump is going to jail for a hundred years and only DeSantis will save him. The timing of Trump’s court dates will conveniently go down to the wire purposefully, pushing for voters to vote for DeSantis so that they can help save Trump too!! DO NOT BE FOOLED!! (DeSantis wants to save Trump, really?!)
Trump will win again, Trump will save America. TRUMP is our President.
Sundance – you are definitely NOT nuts! What you are is a realist who is willing to call out the truth of things as they really are, rather than blindly repeating a narrative which you know in your heart to be false! Many of us have spent years holding our breath and hoping that THIS time it was going to be different but I think we all now know that if we keep electing the same people, we will keep getting the same results…so thank you for seeing what is happening and having the courage to speak up!! We appreciate you and we thank you for being our voice!!
Spot on. After Paul and Mitch sabatoged Trump’s presidency, why is he still a Republican? Meatball is just salt in the wound.
From President Trump asking for everyones help. https://theprecinctstrategy.com.
Third Party chit chat == a NWO funded Utopianist psyop temptation.
DeSantis has always been suspect for me, I always felt that he was riding the wave of his legislature.
But his lie when he ran for reelection as Florida’s governor, that he was going to be there for the entire term, and now look here he’s in he race for president, sealed the deal for me. I will not vote for him in 2024, even if he “miraculously” wins the GOPe nomination. I’ll sit it out.
I’ve posted here enough that I have been voting for the R’s since Reagan and things have gotten worse and worse and worse. Controlled opposition is the only explanation so DNC=RNC=UniParty is the only feasible explanation.
An interesting blog along those lines:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/06/a_computer_analysis_shows_where_republicans_politicians_real_loyalties_lie.html
They’ve been at it since the “progressive” Party died in the late 1890s to take over both the Ds and the Rs. The Ds were easy. The Rs, being more bottom up (not necessarily every where or all the time), was more resistant; but still succumbed. Nevertheless, every so often a real one pops up. Coolidge, to a lesser extent Eisenhower, Reagan and Trump. These all had to fight their own “party”, the last two in particular.
Nice post!
Please don’t sit it out. Do a write-in so that they can’t steal your vote and give it to Gruesome Newsome.
I may not “sit it out” but at that point we’re still waiting for things to get worse, so my measly vote isn’t going to change history. It’s not 2024 yet, so let’s wait.
Thank you SD and, probably my favorite (of many!) commenter, Dutch!!!
There are so many long termer’s and grateful for all their sage advice/comments – cheers to all of us treepers!!!
“Everyone is going to think I’m nuts, but I’m not nuts.”
-Sundance
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No sir. You are most definitively not nuts. All of these schemes and manipulations go way, wayyy back. You had to make a conscious choice to place a limit on how far back the focus of this blog went, but as we know the weaponization of gov’t did not start with Obama (which is generally where you start picking up the pieces).
No, you are not nuts.
I’m sure you all have noticed that every time other R governors do something ‘spectacular,’ Rob! comes along copycatting 3 weeks later and acts like he started the ‘spectacular’ trend. That always annoyed the shit out of me.
He not only copycats Trump, but he also takes credit for everything, (even when it’s half-assed) others do, and the elite media is right behind him fanning and clapping. This is exactly what I saw the left do with 0bama.
This is an epic Dilley show exposing weirdo Meatball Ron. He also touches upon how Ronnie was able to get the funding from the donors such as Ken Griffin- they watched those videos of Ronnie going after the media and thought that he was the one who could take down PDJT.
They didn’t vet him any further and are now stuck with him.
You need look no farther than his crappy voting record as a House Representative. https://thefreedomindex.org/legislator/d000621/
Then his constituents begged him not to vote for Boehner but he was already in the “cool club”.
https://dailycaller.com/2015/01/05/florida-constituents-pressure-desantis-to-vote-against-boehner-video/
When he ran for US Senate a Green Beret named Todd Wilcox was clobbering him, “Mano Mano”. The RNC said get out of the race for Rubio and he jumped out leaving Florida no good choices.
@Dutchman,
GJ, you nailed the whole fake MAGA Ronnie Splitz Governorship and why they really did it. Hat tip to you & Sundance.
Thank you Colkitto,
Appreciate all the kudos, but yours is particularly rewarding.
Ron gets way to much credit here I Usally don’t read anything about him.
My vote is my vote won’t change . Dutchman gets it shouldn’t even be talked about .🤷🏼♂️
Ron would exist with President Trump .
President Trump gave him his job and just like most others gave him a knife! Nikki Haley Pompeo on and on it goes!
Never Shit where ya eat!
True colors have shown power and greed it’s an easy simple stupid solution.
🤷🏼♂️ They tasted power and could t control their greed.None have true leadership skills.
Add in the strings connected to them … Pshhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!
haha!!!
Listened to a number of podcasts today while shoveling mountains of mulch.
On one of them Jack Posobeic mentioned DeStablishment’s coming out against the China tariffs.
I know he reads here though he didn’t give credit this time – and the podcast may have been the same day as sundance’s article, not sure how old it was.
But Jack’s antennae definitely went up about DeSantis in the same way. He said that it’s 1) the first statement DeStablishment has made on world economic policy since he announced his 2024 campaign. And 2) it’s very interesting that Ron made exactly the wrong and completely anti-MAGA call on the issue. That significance was caught….
(I’m thinking the slap on Ron’s hand from the handlers about the Ukraine statement musta been pretty stinging… He knows now not to deviate from Oligarchy Orthodoxy.)
Once he supported TPP and TPA in our House of Representatives, that should have been the end of ANYONE’S belief of what he was marketed as any time after.
Is Ron coming back to Florida to collect his tar and feathers ?
DeScented has been playing a longer con than Mike Pence.
Wow.
One other thing:
True President Trump ALREADY WON.
Totally agree with Dutchman’s take. RdS did everything he did to pass himself off as MAGA. Too bad so many were taken in by his act and many still don’t see they were fooled.
“When faced with that scenario, you apply the scientific method and try to prove the opposite of the thesis.”
Labels are important, as I’m sure Sundance will agree. Proving the opposite of the thesis is not the scientific method.
The scientific method is make some observations (ie. do experiments), form a theory which both explains the observations and predicts new ones, do new experiments to test the predictions (ie. did you observe what the theory predicted you would observe), modify the theory if its predictions weren’t good enough, repeat the process of making observations and refining the theory.
This “proving the opposite of the thesis” thing is more of a humanities approach. It certainly is not what scientists call the scientific method.
Collectivists redefine labels. It’s important that the rest of us don’t do it accidentally.
Going to defend Sundance from the snub above, making the point that the above is a philosophical opinion about science and not a description of what really happens.
When I was studying physics and astronomy at one of the best of departments out of them all, my professor spent weeks on it that the above is not the way general relativity was hypothesized or demonstrated, and in general not the way big physics insights come about. Yes you have to prove your ideas, but the insight is not something incremental about observations. We spent weeks on it that for general relativity, there was not any major observational problem to solve. The driving force for the proposal of general relativity was …. Knowing how beautiful the true physical laws are, and looking at a messy thing and trying to work out what would be … well, what is the word…. “beautiful” ? Once proposed, it passed the test, and more and more so over time, but that is not where it came from.
I loved this because it meant to me that if you know the work of the Maker you know what it looks like and a theory that does not look right makes you tear your hair out. But never mind me, i am just providing a comic break.
So, Sundance’s explanation of what he is up to is fine in my opinion. He has a hypothesis from somewhere and he has moved on to the need to prove it. He does not have to come up with it the way the philosophers have assessed they think a scientist does it. I say, the philosophers are talking through their hats.
So little first rate science has been done the last 40 years. I kind of blame the philosophers for having instructed everybody to do things as above. You have to prove it, but as for where your hypotheses come from, so long as they are falsifiable, you go.
There is never enough evidence to “prove” a theorem, but it only takes one negative to disprove a theorem.
Proof by contradiction is valid in logic and mathematics. Science is both.
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Actually, no. Falsifiability is a core tenet of science.
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FormerDem, Froogie and outhouse counsel
Yes of course disproving a theory is an important aspect of science. A single experiment can prove a theory incorrect whereas no number of experiments can prove a theory correct. (Although a large number of experimants can increase confidence in a theory.)
But I acknowledged that when I said “modify the theory if its predictions weren’t good enough”. You have jumped the gun in trying to prove me wrong.
Scientists do not generally set out to disprove a theory. They set out to explain what they see. Which can involve disproving earlier attempted explanations.
On general relativity, that was a generalisation of a theory (Special Relativity) which was an attempt to explain a thing. But even if we were to grant that it definitely was as FormerDem described it, it is the exception which proves the rule. Everything that scientists do is an attempt to explain what they see, and they use different approaches to do that because sometimes one approach works better than another.
Amber, your defense mechanism has failed you this morning.
Where can I read about your “scientific method” regarding the Pandemic and the big SHOTS? I’m sure you had some thoughts on FAUCI that might be of interest to all of us.
What I do after I post a stupid reply or comment is shut off that thread for a few weeks and never look back. It is our only recourse when we make a dumb comment anywhere.
It’s settled Science ! 100 % of Scientists agree,………on who ever funds their science.🤡🤡
As to DeSantis and Sundance’s writing . . . Sundance wrote long ago DeSantis was running all while DeSantis bumbled along saying he was not running until he finally announced otherwise.
DeSantis proved himself contradictory all while revealing Sundance was spot on.
Eventually, one must abandon theory, thesis, opposites, labels, etc, and trust exactly what they see with their eyes and hear with their ears. Otherwise one can risk becoming irrelevant through vanity.
Supposed Science through the Filter of Politics equals CRAPOLA!
I think what Sundance may be referring to as scientific method is proving the Null Hypothesis (H0) which is used in statistical research.
“A null hypothesis is a type of statistical hypothesis that proposes that no statistical significance exists in a set of given observations.”
Sounds like something Insane People acting normal would come up with.
The scientific method is posterior information, it starts with posterior information and is tested by posterior methods. It is never a prior. It only provides information but never “proof.” Thus, “proving (which is the wrong word because it is impossible under the scientific method with observations evidence) the opposite of the thesis” simply provides more information, which may or may not help with a solution.
Posterior also means the data was pulled from their Wazoo!
Technically Yes but proving the opposite is just a alternative way of saying disprove the theory. That is what peer review is tasked with. He was simply doing self peer review of his own theory. That is something present day scientists don’t do enough and it has contributed to the “general consensus” acceptance of unproven flimsy theories like Climate change, and Darwinian evolution beginning of life. Of course in both instances confirmation bias and political expediency both factor in as well.
Absolutely wrong. Experiments are design to defeat the hypothesis, when they cannot, the theory is strengthened.
Old enough to remember when most were oh so surprised by any criticism of Chef Boy RD and vehemently opposed to such criticism.
Not hearing that now and only one person responsible for the early winnowing out of RDS as both running for president and opposing President Trump.
That one man? Sundance.
I admit I liked RDS for what he supposedly was doing to defy the Feds during Covid. He also took on the lying media. He did many other things well in FL and helped keep it prosperous. All that took me in and I believed him. We needed a MAGA back up to PTrump imo, in case he was prevented from running and winning in 2024 and who also endorsed RDS and helped him win his elections. So I was ok in believing RDS and giving him kudos for the job he was doing. I never thought he’d really try to run for Pres. Against PTrump. I figured he’d wait until 2028 when he’d be done as Governor and Trump would have finished his second term. I thought he was smart about his political career and that he wanted FL to be solid red for 2024. My biggest fear was not having a MAGA candidate for Pres in 2024 and that the Dems would win walking away. This was before election fraud was made so real and I still held out belief we could correct that by exposing it.
WhenSD started putting the red flags out on RDS I was resistant to it, thinking it was a version of the same old story that we were always looking for the perfect candidate and that it was only Trump. Everyone else is never good enough and as I said, my fear was having no MAGA candidate at all.
I have since seen the evidence, the big one being who is funding RDS. When SD brought that out, my mind could not deny what RDS really was. A bought and paid for rino candidate funded by TPTB. He was uniparty to the core. Not MAGA at all. To say it angered me would be an understatement, that he would deliberately deceive not only his residents of FL who voted for him, but all the rest of the MAGA people across America. Completely fake. Politics is definitely a dirty rotten business and to wade through that muck with any integrity left at the end is nearly impossible. Thanks SD for being on top of the truth always and giving it to us.
Cjzak,
Have no fear, for the future of MAGA, we have passed the point where the toothpaste can be put back in the tube.
As for PDJT not being able to run in 2024, I believe that is also an unwarranted fear.
These Indictments are rubbish, and everyone sees them for what they are, just more of the same as Russia, Russia, Impeachments 1&2, etc.
They are ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and will NOT be accepted as an excuse for the RNC to deny him the nomination, which is the only purpose, because WE, by our continued, unwavering support for PDJT, are telling the RNC we will not accept it, as an excuse.
The good people of the USA are easily duped. Con artist know this and rich political cons know it too. BEWARE !
Very true.
These days from the time we step foot into the State schools right on through graduate school we are not taught to think for ourselves, to be curious, to question the “experts”
So we are being fed a heavily scripted, money-fed, pack of lies, half-truths, and innuendo spread by a hoost of grifters.
The Successful Reporter
“The successful reporter is one who finds a story, even if there is no earthquake, assassination, or civil war. If he cannot find a story, he must make one–by questions he asks public figures, by the surprising human interest he unfolds from some common place event, or by the “news behind the news”. If all this fails, then he must give us a “think piece”–an embroidering of well-known facts, or speculation of startling things to come.” Source: The Image: A Guide to Pseudo Events in America (published 1961) by Daniel J. Boorstin.
The keyword in the book title is “pseudo-events.” Note this book was published in 1961 which means thata
Boorstin collected and compiled the data from the 1950s and earlier.
We’ve been led down the primrose path for many decades. It’s just gets worse and worse each year.
AND Soros is in the background just waiting to Defraud our Vote….AGAIN!
I don’t see RFK getting the nomination.
He’s the Bernie of this election cycle. He is supposed to get the MAGA Dems (they do exist) support on board for the candidate switch later.
PDJT can simply highlight the issues they agree on, while reminding people of the damage the Dem party has done.
Win win.
In my opinion Sundance is just looking at one dimension of a multidimensional chess match. That one dimension is politics, specifically Presidential politics. After the raid on Trump’s residence everyone including RDS smelled blood in the water and saw their chance to take Trump out in the primaries. The Republican establishment saw their chance to take back the party from Trump and the MAGA crowd by backing RDS. RDS being a politician therefore somewhat narcistic, saw his chance to take to the top spot in 2024 rather than just VP and waiting to 2028 and he jumped at it.. On the political level this may describe what happened but there is more than one level in this game. I believe Trump is well aware of the multiple levels of this game and is playing on the other levels. Trump may be considered an amateur at politics by some but he is no amateur at the other levels of this game. I chose to elaborate no further about Trump’s gaming abilities on multi-levels or how he got them. The reason RDS went silent for 5 days is because he glimpsed the other levels and frankly I believed he got scared of what he saw and went to ground. it wasn’t till the Republican establishment reassured him they had his back that he came back out.
We are far beyond even national politics now. This is not just Republicans vs Democrats or even Liberals vs Conservatives anymore, though they are involved in the game on a public level. There are multiple very serious factions involved behind the scenes playing for a share of the ultimate prize, control of the US and possibly world domination. The election of 2020 was the opening salvo of a coup to take over the country, end Constitutional rule and individual freedom. To reach their goal they will have to destroy traditional American values along the way. This is reality and not just conspiracy theory we had all best be aware of what is really going on if we want to survive. There is no place left to run to.