This is a totally freehand writing for CTH readers, not written with any intent other than our conversation.
For a long time, I have written various forms of an article and deleted it – crumpled it up and thrown it away… because it’s just so hard to write about.
However, an insightful comment by Dutchman today has just pushed me to write it. Unlike most writing, this is no notes, few citations, just thoughts.
You guys are having a discussion about Larry Hogan’s commentary to CBS News.
In the middle of the discussion, someone writes the familiar and common sentiment about Ron DeSantis, a reasonably decent and good governor, doing his big politically stupid run for 2024. Dutchman responds:
DUTCHMAN – […] “IMHO, you and others who express your sentiment, don’t REALLY “get it”;
The WHOLE reason DeSantis was the most popular Governor throughout his first term, was a CON;
EVERY action he took as Governor, was a political calculation planned and intended to create the image of “the free State of Florida” and RDS as “Trump lite”.
It wasn’t that “he changed” after getting the $millions, he was ALWAYS terrible at connecting with voters, a terrible campaigner, and he was NEVER MAGA; it was all a “PR.” or advertising campaign to create a totally artificial, and unconnected from reality IMAGE.
And it is that IMAGE that people “fell in love with” and it never existed.
This is important because if people don’t understand this, recognize they were “conned” and understand HOW they were manipulated, they will keep falling for it, every time.
However, once you understand your own vulnerability to being manipulated, accept you need to CHANGE how you view things, THEN you won’t need someone else (like Sundance) to point it out to you, again.
5 minutes of OBJECTIVELY looking at a candidate, will be about 4 1/2 minutes more than necessary, to spot the phonies.” (link)
Perhaps, let me take you back to the spring of 2022 in my thoughts, and show you just how subtle, weird and difficult it is to really understand the nature of this political world we are in right now. A political world where nothing is what it seems. I have been inside this research rabbit hole for over a decade, so bear with me.
[SIDEBAR – Y’all know how I dug, and dug, and dug, and dug into the GOPe after the 2012 election to figure out just how the powers that be are able to construct the illusion of choice. From that research I was able to drill down into the raw material, the stuff they actually did, that outlined the concept of the “splitter strategy”, which I then held in my notes until 2015 while watching for the replay. The work back in 2012 helped me to foresee what would happen in 2016, and like clockwork, it rolled out exactly as expected.]
In the winter of 2021 and spring of 2022, every Spidey-sense within me said Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is setting himself up for a 2024 run for the GOP nomination. Every data point that I was looking at aligned with it happening, and that included the part that no one was paying attention to in 2016.
♦BACKGROUND – In 2015, when Marco Rubio filed to run as a candidate for the 2016 GOP nomination for President, then little known one-term congressman Ron DeSantis filed to run for Rubio’s Senate seat. WTF? DeSantis’ only real qualification to run for that Florida Senate seat was a big donor assist from the Club 4 Growth. CfG supported DeSantis in Congress, big time – and CfG was the financial mechanism behind DeSantis in 2016 to take the Rubio Senate seat if he won the GOP nomination. Just keep this in mind.
In the latter part of 2021 and early 2022, all of the obscure stuff in the background of DeSantis looked like he was being positioned to run in 2024.
It was January 6, 2022, when someone (Pushaw) organized that influencer confab at the governor’s office. However, and this is where my own intellectual bias comes into play at times defeating my cynicism, I kept telling myself there’s no way DeSantis could be so stupid.
No way, regardless of all the mechanics that were paving this path, that Ron DeSantis would be stupid enough to run against a likely reelection bid by Donald Trump. For over six months, I kept putting the human factor at the forefront and forcing myself to ignore all of the datapoints that indicated DeSantis was being managed to do this. After all, c’mon, he’s not a stupid guy…. I kept telling myself.
Even in July 2022, every time the thought crossed my mind to revisit this issue, I kept making the mistake of denying the data, denying what was visible, simply because the alternative to stupidity was almost unthinkable in scale.
♦The Alternative – If DeSantis wasn’t stupid, and if DeSantis was indeed going to run for 2024, the alternative to stupidity was a long-term plan… A plan that would have been laid out essentially before his first campaign in 2018…. A plan that times to the exact same moments when Paul Ryan and the other GOPe member of congress announced they were not seeking midterm reelection for Trump’s midterm race…. A plan that coincided with buckets of former CIA operatives running for congress in both the Democrat and Republican races in that 2018 midterm…. A plan that had Eric Holder working in California to trigger the first ballot harvesting test run….
If DeSantis wasn’t stupid, the alternative was that he was part of a larger operation being carried out by the real power brokers who control U.S. elections, the billionaire donors and control agents, ie. “The Big Club.”
Now, stay with me… Under this scenario, if DeSantis wasn’t stupid, then he was always a controlled ‘political’ operative waiting to be triggered and have his career boosted by the Big Club crowd who funded him. Names like Bush, Clinton, Cheney, McCain, Romney and McConnell all circle this controlled orbit.
The odd, and seemingly impossible, DeSantis registration to run for the Florida Senate seat of Marco Rubio aligned with this almost conspiratorial outlook; except it wasn’t based on conspiracy theory, it was just a big datapoint, sitting there – staring back.
All of the data aligned that way, but I kept telling myself to ignore it – because at a certain point human reason has to be placed into the analysis, and there’s no way that DeSantis would be so stupid. Surely, regardless of how much he was controlled and influenced, he -the person- would have the ability to say, “No, this is just silly.”
That said, throughout the spring and summer of 2022, 80% of the objective data, and even more when considered in historic context, indicated DeSantis was going to enter the 2024 election at the behest of the people who control the Republican National Committee, the Republican Governors Association and the various political fundraising committees in both the House and Senate along with PAC’s and Superpacs.
In essence, if DeSantis was indeed planning a 2024 White House run, then all of the datapoints reconciled. If he wasn’t going to run, then there was just a lot of coincidental questions that didn’t make sense in the activity.
When faced with that scenario, you apply the scientific method and try to prove the opposite of the thesis.
Could I prove: DeSantis was *not* going to run and was *not* under the control of the Big Club (Sea Island et al)? The answer was no.
Now it’s July 2022. The headlines were all about Donald Trump and the conflicts with the NARA over documents and presidential records. Something was coming.
I told myself to put away all of the DeSantis questions until that moment with Trump was triggered; then wait and see how he responds.
If DeSantis is abhorred by the outcome of the DOJ/FBI targeting of Florida resident Trump, then he likely was not part of the plan to use him. However, if DeSantis was not abhorred by whatever was being cooked up, well, that would tell a big story.
On August 8th, 2022, when the FBI raided the home of Donald Trump, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis sent out one short twitter comment from his “personal” page and then went fully silent and invisible.
Despite his extremely high Florida visibility, literally almost every single day of the year holding press conferences and media events, DeSantis went fully into a bunker after the raid, and for five days was completely silent and missing from the public. There was no opportunity to question DeSantis about his feelings on the raid.
Instead, the people managing the governor broadcast two pre-recorded video messages about innocuous subjects and never made a public appearance.
Simultaneously, the people around the governor restructured a newly branded national campaign, and launched a national tour outside the State of Florida immediately after the five days in the bunker. These tours are planned long in advance, so someone knew something.
Mid-August 2022, the national tour, the book, the media use, the change in tone and personality, the new branding message, the people visited for fundraising, all of it… carefully scripted, long planned and being executed on cue. All prior polling showed a double-digit lead in Florida. Democrats had pulled out of financing; the Democrat Governors Association didn’t put in a dime to support Charlie Crist, and yet DeSantis was banging a big tin cup raking in tens-of-millions.
Immediately, I said that’s it… that’s enough. The evidence is overwhelming… It’s August 2022, and its crystal-clear; DeSantis is running for 2024, and I was confident outlining every step in the customary sequence that would take place including the timing of his announcement to May 2023. It was all obvious.
But back to the scenario…. Back to the discussion y’all are having…. Back to my original thoughts in 2021….
….If DeSantis isn’t stupid, that means?
It means exactly what Dutchman has just said. “This is important because if people don’t understand this, recognize they were “conned” and understand HOW they were manipulated, they will keep falling for it, every time.”
It means Ron DeSantis was a Big Club operation put into play in 2018.
Start there, review the timeline, review the events and everything makes sense. Republicans are very good at creating the illusion of choice. They are doing it again, only this time they are failing.
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Sundance. Nail. Head.
Thanks.
Its all very simple and believable.
As you say, once you see the strings you can’t un see them.
Desantis does seem like the guy put in the wings waiting for the guillotine to drop eventually
I thought something was up when Disney openly defied him and the meatball did nothing. I became clearly evident he was all Decipticon from then on.
Yep. This has been pretty clear for quite a while now.
RDS was pushed out there to be a “Star Conservative Gov”, just so he could knock all Prez competitors off the pedestal.
The residents of FL. benefited from the RNC’s little charade.
Two things bother me about this, however- besides the fact that it was all a ruse to begin with>>>
1) The involvement of not only RDS, but also of the FL. Legislature, which has also been shown to be easily bought.
And
2) The fact that GOP clearly KNOWS what their voters want (as proven by all the popular Bills passed here in FL.), and have known for YEARS. They just Refuse to DO it >>> until it’s needed for a ploy like this one.
Doing what voters want on a single state level tends to not interfere with the grift. At the national level, on the other hand, well that’s a different story.
YEP.
The Florida legislature is full of RINOs.
You ain’t kiddin’!
As is the Texas legislature.
For the record, California legislature is not full of RINO’s.
We could only dream if we even got that.
Hahahahahaha!
My condolences. I mean that. Grew up in NM during the 60’s and did many trips to CA w/my parents visiting a wonderful Great Aunt living in Banning. Not only was she a “great” Great Aunt but I could have never imagined CA being as lost it is. She used to encourage me to study law and become an attorney because of my loose lips but also my insatiably curiosity. I unfortunately went into the USAF for 20 years and the rest is history. Now at 64 it’s too late to change my history but I can start to use the gifts she recognized many years ago to try to make some changes. My best of encouragement to you and your family.
Many, if not most of the so-called Republicans in this Country are actually RINOs, with their hands out to the lobbyists, and any way they can make more money (grift). It is now apparent. Time to call them all out is NOW. If not now, our Country as founded is lost.
I have been saying for some time, they WANT us to focus on National rather than STATE, and they want us focusing on elected PUBLIC officeholders, so we are not focusing on those KEY people, that make the whole thing work.
State R party execurive committees control it ALL; THEY control who the County Recorders and R party members if the election boards are, especially in those counties where MAJOR METRO cities are.
With that control, they detirmine whether your State is “Relianly Red, Reliably Blue, or Purple as needed to accomplish the agenda of the Uniparty.
RDS (guess that’s his new handle) kept me off my beach 3 blocks from my house for almost 2 years. I was almost given a ticket for getting on the beach one hour earlier that ribbon (barrier) cutting ceremony. I lied about thinking I was following the rules by acting like I was from an eastern time-zone city. Panama City Beach is on central time. Asshole.
I have been saying for almost a year the De Santomonous – Disney feud was agreed between them to give meatball votes.
Last I heard, Disney invoked an old Florida law which means King Charles has to die before Florida can govern the land.
I was fooled by DS until, in about Oct 2022, Trump called him “Desanctimonious”… then I KNEW something was very wrong with DS.
At this point, I am wondering whether Trump already knew what the Con Inc was planning with DS, BEFORE he endorsed DS in 2018, and did so to “play along” with their plan (Art of War tactic, look weak when you are strong)… so as to be best prepared to derail it.
Trump knows about all of them, especially when he endorses them. He is doing all of this for us so we don’t keep falling for the deception.
Got to admit, Trump does know these things. His gut checks are running a 99% accuracy rating, even if not immediately obvious..
Wonderful post, Sundance. Thank you.
Thank you, Sundance you make the strings on this puppet show, visible. Trump will expose the RNC, and the DNC are weaponized against the people.
But, I’d like proof Trump ISN’T ‘Big club’ ; in light of
AFTER Campaign PR0MI$E :
LOL! Keep posting this……..I can’t stop laughing!
Wrong site. Try fox news forums.
“Everyone is going to Think I’m Nuts, But I’m Not Nuts…”
I will share this with everyone and don’t want to do it. When I was growing up and into my adulthood I sensed that there was something very wrong happening. I could not put my finger on it, but, the whole shebang felt out of sorts and I mean everything. With advent of Trump, things now make sense and I actually feeling a sort of peace now. It is not resignation, rather, things now click, just like Sundance is saying in this article.
While growing up, we all knew things were f–ked up. My gang of delinquent misfits and I did not like what we saw but we could not articulate it or identify the problem. These people in 3 piece suits were not to be trusted was our sense. At any rate, we gravitated to songs that expressed these feelings. I present to you and oldie but goodie.
I have the same gut feeling with RdS that I had with GWB after a while. The system starts to show like a ladies slip. Then the illusion is ruined. The system is running the man not the man running the system.
Bush was presented as a all round good guy, Aw shucks type, Deseptic has zero charisma and social skills making it obvious he is a paid shill.
Why George and not Jeb.
The whole DeSantis Disney episode was set up as distraction bait to split MAGA.
I personally do not believe this was a set up when it actually happened. RDS may have been under the control of the GOPe/Uniparty at the time, but it was a well-worth “episode.” It put a spotlight on the Leftist’s agenda and that was a good thing.
The theory that RDS was primed by the uniparty to do this is also a consideration, in his endeavor to be “MAGA LITE” and try to be more popular than President Trump.
Nice try, RDS, but no cigar. DJT is MAGA, and MAGA is the only way possible to defeat the DS.
The Trans movement and Pride movement are not organic. They are funded by trillions of dollars. Who is funding it and why?
It’s possible, if you solve these questions, you will find your answers.
Many understood the leftist agenda before this battle between Disney and DeSantis.
As Sundance stated, much of this was planned years ago. If one believes there is still a two party system, grasping the reality that this was planned ahead is a very difficult internal shift. It’s not to be taken lightly. One’s beliefs are shaken to the core.
The cliche, “Once you see it, you can never go back”, certainly applies here. It’s an extremely difficult pill to swallow.
I wish you the best as you search through the myriad of planned distractions that are about to be thrown our way. They are about to escalate greatly.
Look at this one 509c entity called ARCUS . Main driver of the Trans thing,part of NWO,WEF transhumanist vision of the future. More like nightmare.
As a current Floridian, but native North Carolinian, I was cautiously proud of DeSantis during the Covid con because he seemed to support individual liberty and choice over heavy handed mandates. The big tell was when he failed to stand up and speak truth to the pugnacious pompous political perps who raided Mar-a-Lago. Trump is America’s great MAGA King and DeSantis has exposed himself as court jester…aka JOKE.
You’re nuts ! Lol
I had that same feeling a few years ago with the whole plandemic unfolding .
I said to myself ,new world order is here and now .
Am I crazy !!!
Because I thought Id never see it in my lifetime .
It was surreal.
Everything that’s happened since day 1 that biden took office has seemed terribly surreal and the list just keeps getting longer every day. Everything he does is for MONEY, not the people of America. I don’t think biden was truly elected, I think he was placed into that position, but why were his handlers so stupid as to bundle him up with COMMALA harris the dipwad? Lord that woman is totally stupid, beyond help. Am I alone on that? I never knew the dimwit dems could be so pugnacious, but apparently it involves both “parties” now and has for some time. The photo in this article is very telling as to the fact that this has been going on for a LOOOOOONG time. Makes you wonder when this prosperous country decided to go rogue and why?
Well, you see it now. And you see that the “new world order is here and now.”
So, what are you going to do about it??? It is here, John PA. This is what we MAGA, America First are up against.
We either take back Our Country NOW or it is forever lost, dead. And enslaved to the masters of the NWO/DS.
The first time I heard NWO,it came out of Pappy Bush’s mouth. I didn’t know what it meant. Didn’t take long to learn it was not GOOD…
A good retrospective analysis. Three (actually five) questions for you (Sundance, Dutchman or anyone else at large), 1) How can this analysis be used going forward to make further predictions with regard to actions of the Big Club? 2) Can it be used to predict at what inflection points will the actions of the Fourth Branch come into play? 3) Can we predict at what point will the aforementioned principles change course after failure of achieving their desired political goals and what will whose courses of action be and what will it involve?
You can hope that President Trump is well protected by those faithful to him. I am concerned that there will be one ‘final’ act by these evil gangs of thieves.
They can’t get to him. He’s well protected spiritually and physically. Who knows when we saw him last…
They can’t get to him? Like the Titanic was unsinkable?
Not only “hope” but we must “pray” and pray constantly that President Trump is well protected along with his family! That is the only way they can win.
We must return to God, pray, fast, and BEG God that He will keep DJT safe!
SEE HERE
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/14/big-picture-desantis-corporate-club-plan-and-some-site-note-reminders/
As always sundance, brilliant subtle snub of Dave Rubin, who is certainly reading all this lolol.
Take all that one step further. Who supported all of DeSantis’ actions throughout? The Florida legislature. People have to start understanding that the States are nearly as corrupt as the Federal Government.
We lost the battle at the Federal level. We’re fighting a battle for restoring the Republic at the State and Local level now. Too many corrupt State and Local level government employees to even begin to turn things around quickly. It’s going to be a long, uphill battle to get the right people voted into office. We didn’t get here overnight and we won’t get back to a Constitutional Republic overnight.
You are so right! It’s horrifying the corruption at the local level.
Voting irregularities, failure to follow and enforce the law, downright fraud, etc., has shown that local level “officials” have been bought. Even here, in very red OK, I was unable to get past the gatekeeper to obtain the cast vote records that Mike Lindell was asking for not long after the fraudulent election. At the county level!
Soros bought and paid for DA’s are not prosecuting criminals, but look for “conservatives” to persecute on any excuse.
The Democrats and RINO’s don’t want their system to be changed so that citizens can witness what really goes on; how the “sausage” is made. They are ALL against transparency. They are all bought and paid for.
What might be interesting is to investigate every elected official (local, state and federal) to see where they actually get their money. That will tell us who they serve.
I am not a Floridian, so could you help me understand the other options their legislators had? I don’t understand what else they could have done.
I also have to remind myself that much of this happened under the cloud of Covid. How much did this influence decisions?
You had an overwhelming support from Floridians for DeSantis during this period. What legislature will buck that wave.
The bloom is coming off the rose. It seems to me this is the time when your legislators will reveal where they stand.
This is just an outsiders respectfully given opinion. Most likely not worthy of the experience of those living there.
God Bless all you Floridians. This is another challenging time for you.
But…but…but, if DeSantis was put into play in 2018, he had to have been chosen before that.
In 2012 and 2104, his campaigns raised over $1 million with top donors in the $20,000 range, but suddenly in 2016, he raised over $4 million with a major campaign contribution of $267,615 from Club for Growth. Lo and behold, DeSantis votes for the TransPacific Partnership. I think that this is when he was chosen by the Big Club because they realized his vote could be bought.
Excellent analysis. I looked at rds action on the house when ppl started to hype him. Saw his record and said hard pass.
If DeSantis is off the table and the .deep State take out Trump then where do we turn for 2024?
You really think the deep state can take down Trump? Lol
Quote Sundance,there is trillions at stake. desperate people do desperate things.
I didn’t say they haven’t tried and aren’t trying.
Again,i post have Jr & Eric throw their hat in the ring & hope senior is allowed a phone in jail if that happens.
No matter what the Swamp does, it will be Trump 2024.
Father or son.
Don or Eric.
Four more years or eight.
Only the father or son has the training, knowledge, connections, networks, resources AND motivation to lead and succeed.
Tried by fire. Battle hardened. Everything on the line.
BUT…if they can’t get past a Trump primary election ( R’s don’t possess an election manipulation capability ), then what. PLUS…the D’s really don’t have a valid candidate ( could they succeed in manipulating a 2nd election with all that’s now known???)
So why all the effort for Desantis? Or an election?
IMOH it’s smoke & mirrors to keep us occupied. I foresee a National Emergency Declaration ( pandemic or nuclear ) with martial law and a probable government degradation requiring a Continuity of Gov’t ( COG) process vs having a 2024 election.
There have already been a number of military convoys observed across the US, per alternate media, starting just recently. Otherwise, REAL quiet.
I read Robert Caro’s book Path to Power – about LBJ’s climb to power- when it came out in 2011, and his other books following LBJ. Old is new – stealing elections, using disruptive media (or new fangled things – like helicopters), etc.
But the one thing that rang loud was – $$$. LBJ was a young legislative aide to Tx Congressman Kleberg – of the King Ranch. Construction on the Mansfield Dam – to create Lake Travis – had begun about 1940 by a small construction company – Brown & Root. They did not had Congressional appropriations for their work, but LBJ secured that for them. From that point forward LBJ NEVER needed campaign funding. Herman Brown handled it all. Brown & Root also build army & navy bases around Texas, etc, etc. It was the predecessor to what became Halliburton with Dick Cheney at the helm. Nothing new, just a different verse. Landslide Lyndon, East Texas ballot box stuffing vs South Texas….. KLBJ in Austin – still owned by the Johnsons, was not ‘owned’ by LBJ, but by his wife Ladybird. Buy some ads on KLBJ & you probably had access to LBJs helpers – JJ Jake Pickle, Earl Luna, John Connally, etc.
reminds me of O’Keefe’s latest expose on Black Rock. The recruiter said (paraphrasing) they buy a lot of things and keep reinvesting the money into more stuff, and before long they can buy people. I believe he said Senators can be bought as cheaply as $10k
If you like that history, you need to feast on this one…
Lincoln, a little know lawyer in Illinois, ends up being the head of the legal team for…let’s hear it…The Trans-Continental Railroad. Then a business venture with Ullysses Grant and a few others.
All of a sudden, Lincoln is the candidate for the new Republicans. And quite a few southern states NEVER even put his name on the ballot. Then someho Lincoln gets elected, and we had a civil war.
Wink.
What is the real story behind Trump’s endorsement of DeSantis to defeat the Establishment candidate Adam Putnam in the 2018 FL Governor Primary?
U.S. Rep. Ron DeSantis rode President Trump’s endorsement to victory in Florida’s Republican primary for governor Tuesday, defeating a longtime favorite of the Republican establishment with a campaign based largely around the president.
DeSantis, who spent much of his campaign on Fox News defending Trump, beat out Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam, who had seemingly built up the run for governor his entire adult life after being elected to office as a 22-year-old.
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/politics/2018-08-28/ron-desantis-defeats-adam-putnam-in-gop-primary-for-governor
Someone needs to ask Donald Trump: In the Summer of 2018 someone asked you to support Ron DeSantis in his election bid in Florida. Who was that specific someone?
Wow! Another knife in the back of President Trump! Must be someone who was in on the 2020 COWP coup d’etat! JMO
“Another knife in the back of President Trump”.
Leads to another revealing of someone previously incognito.
Fortunately, President Trumps back is hardy, consequently hes’ ideal bait; bait that eventually lures the deceivers into the light where their true selves can be seen by anyone who cares to look.
Do you think the Big Club always has many DeSantis types being groomed simultaneously as they strategize years in advance and then bet on who they think will be “the one” to get their intended outcome?
Yes.
Sure, they were grooming Ditzy Ducey in Az., until KL put the kebash on that, lol.
I worked for a Texas Oilfield pipe mill early in my career. Trial lawyers never sued us, but they sued all of our suppliers on a specious cancer cause. Rural East texas juries ‘stuck it to them’. Years later a marketing acquaintance told me he had worked for the trial lawyers -they reinvested their legal winnings – funding legal tort cases – like venture capitalists – Torts have treble damages. Sounds like same approach in the political arena…
Trump said who it was in one of his interviews recently. When he was talking about all he did for DeSantis. I think it was with Hannity, and I think he said Meadows or someone on his team. I’m going to see if I can find it.
It was Congressman Gaetz
He said so.
Bingo! I posted upthread, look at WHO ELSE “won big” in Fla. in 2022; Gaetz and Marco.
I believe it was Matt Gaetz
According to Roger Stone
Hmm. Does that need to be someone, or does it need to be President Trump understanding the chess board with Dominion machines?
I love that about you Sundance . Taking your commenters thoughts to heart.
You blew my mind when on a previous day , I had written about the whole Ukraine ploy tying to the new green deal,and they were gonna blow up the pipelines.
To think that I could be right about that was crazy.
But you backed me up the next day .
Made me feel great !
I will admit I voted for both Bushs, McCain, and Romney. Part of that was to vote against their opponents. If Trump’s name is not on the 2024 ballot then I will write it in.
Same here, Bob. And, I’ve been telling all my friends to do it.
More and more that seems to be the MAGA plan. I know it’s mine.
A big part of “Divisive politics” and “wedge issues” is exactly this; they found out you get MORE “motivation” out of lo info voters, more easily by setting it up so they vote AGAINST someone, rather than FOR someone.
They do it with Dem voters, too.
I am not well informed on how FL has been run – certainly the state is doing many things right and have added new good things with DeSantis as governor. I have been thinking since he announced that it was more to be the leading candidate if/when DJT has to drop out of the race. If the opposition full court press actually succeeds. As stated, he can’t be that stupid to believe in a clean head-to-head election he could beat Trump and the move is a strategic play – similar to the play with Rubio, if/when Rubio won the nomination DeSantis backfills.
Whether his strings are pulled by the Club or not I can’t be sure, but he fits the requirements for a Republican to beat Biden if he has the support of the ‘moderate’ Republican machine – the R branch of the ‘uniparty’. It would not surprise me if he was manageable/manipulatable by the brokers of the party. I would also not be surprised to see him – at least try – to steer the ship himself if he won. Is he smart enough to be a double agent…. go along with the Club, get their support and assistance in getting elected, and then be spurn them…. perhaps just on some issues he deems critical and be more MAGA than not (e.g. wokeness, immigration).
No, he’s clearly not that smart. By declaring for 2024 he is ending his political career if he fails. Of course he’ll be well set up with a few million if he fails; more if he doesn’t.
He’s a short term thinker.
Agreed — not that smart and a short term thinker. Very little charisma too.
(Cbadwebs) I’m of the same sentiment. All the Florida and Amercan First policies, redistricting to education reform and on and on.Mabey I’m just retarded, but I still think he’s playing them and “Drawing Fire” as poorly as he is running his national campaign,it’s like he is trying to lose,make them dump 500000000 million on him like they did Jeb Bush,except Desantis gets some exposure and becomes Trump’s choice for VP and has all that money to add to 2024. God please make it so.
Probably not … but I would love to believe that he and Trump are working together.
Too much betrayal… and so much disloyalty and lack of patriotism is quite shocking to me. How do they live with themselves?
I can’t even comprehend the level of betrayal we have been witnessing. For what? Money? Power?
This IS a short life. Why sell your soul for such short-term stuff? There is a God. There is an eternity.
DeSantis and Trump are definitely NOT working together. President Trump is trying to tell you that DeSantis is EVERYTHING you do not want. DeSantis supports the multinational corporations and banks, would support investment in China and Chinese investment in the US. He opposes tariffs so we will be importing a lot more from China to make the trade deficit worse. DeSantis is fronting for the billionaires’ club.
DeSantis is not trying to lose. He’s trying to split the MAGA vote to destroy the populist Trump movement.
DeSantis is a globalist. He is also a neocon who supported the war in Iraq that killed nearly a million people. He also supports the war in Ukraine – he used tax payer money to send FL National Guard troops to train neo-Nazi militias.
I don’t want to see him anywhere near the White House in 2024 or 2028 as president or vice president. He is completely opposed to everything that President Trump stands for.
“This is important because if people don’t understand this, recognize they were “conned” and understand HOW they were manipulated, they will keep falling for it, every time.”
Yep! Even though, I was 100% Trump last August, I had been conned, prior to your article last August, that truly showed me the facts. A million thanks, Sundance.
5 minutes is 300 seconds too long.
No one on this board should think being a Navy JAG embedded with U.S. forces carrying out what remains an un-prosecuted war crime, The Siege of Fallujah, is qualification to be Presidential candidate.
What Desantis is considered to be by his GOPe/Insider’s Club financiers IS the 3rd malignant iteration of BushII’s torture regime and Obama’s Tuesday Morning, Disposition Matrix, Secret Kill List, Nominating Meeting.
NOTICE two fellows, Obama and Brennan figured prominently and proudly in the aforementioned AND in the as-yet-to-be-prosecuted insurrection against President Trump.
I’m a big fan of Dutchman and enjoy his comments and unique perspectives on personal health, individuality, critical thinking, providing for your own but especially about our corrupt law enforcement and our Judiciary system having had personal actual experience with all of them. One of things I really enjoy is his fractured English, lack of or misplaced punctuation and missed spellings (admittedly he doesn’t use spell check) and all that was somehow missing? Dutchman’s unique tell-alls were missing! I’m not complaining just pointing out it appears to me his post got cleaned up a little bit?? I guess I could wrong, but I doubt it?? But Dutchman like Sundance was spot on!!! Good on you Dutchman!!!! Godspeed Dutchman and Sundance!!!
Thank you Bubby,
Glad to know my comments are appreciated.
No, I believe (without going back and checking) that Sundance put up my full comment.
I type my comments out on a stupid phone, with a little screen and pop-ups getting in the way.
Believe it or not, what you are seeing is AFTER I use the “edit” function, lol.
And no, I found using spell check made things worse, so turned it off.
🤣😂 I thought I was the only one who used a phone to comment. The pop up ads are like pac- man. …
Phone user hear also🤗 Dont even have a lap top.
Thank you Sundance for your explanation and how you see things and we learn a lot from you. Thank you Dutchman for all you contribute here at conservative treehouse. It is well appreciate it.
Considering republicans havent dug into ballot counting and Kemp won while Herscel lost… and Arizona republican corruption…
Maybe tabulators can be programmed for RdS to win thereby eliminating MAGA forever. The Halderman report shows this.
The 5 day disappearing act by RDS suggests to me he was briefed ahead of time regarding the raid on MAL.
RDS had to have known the feds were coming, it was an unprecedented insult to the country. Ron knew, and walked away. Keep wearing blue Ron, it matches that yellow streak running down your back.
Bravo -This was a three credit course in deceit. This happened in the Wilson election against Taft. The process was the same, while the methodology was only slightly oblique –
The Rio Accord? same, only in this case, Bush knowing the issue from 1987, signs the treaty, Senate refuses. Your article picture is superb, as Clinton signed as Exeuctive Order implementing the now named AG21, into our agencies, renaming to “Sustainable Development”.
Since history is the “engine” of the future, this prarticular piece is of great value in helping the reader understand the value of “Genesis of an issue”
Be well everyone, and share these valuable musings.
Amen Brother. I still hold out the now very small possibility that DeSanctimonious and Trump are working together but, if they are, it is one of the best planned and executed political feints evah and would be a classic example of 5G Information Warfare at its best.
as dutch likes to point out, platform republican voters have been walking this path for almost 60 years now
(59 to be exact, since AuH2O in 1964), with the sole exception being the Reagan years (1980 to 1988).
the big club will never understand it is THEIR lies, scheming, manipulations, cynicism, corruption, backroom deals, grifting, pettiness, amorality, valueless, unethical, chess-pieces-on-a-chessboard behavior towards voters that in no small measure fuels PDJT’s unwavering support.
bringing the receipts on these poseurs is good.
calling out the players early is good.
exposing the string pullers is good.
but for me, the takeaway is overwhelming gratitude to and for PDJT.
he has earned our loyalty and support ten thousand times over.
he is our everyman and our champion.
OUR billionaire. 😊
“The big club” == a little club.
Its size and fearsome power == a real example of The All Powerful Wizard of Oz psyop/illusion.
God bless Toto Trump and those who choose to listen to him, look behind the curtains he’s pulling back.
God bless those who start recognizing theyve had the power all along to solve their wicked witch problems.
Then their real adventures can begin.
DeSantis is following the operating model or the classic playbook of the R party for ages- controlled opposition (anyone remember Romney being ‘severely’ conservative?) and the illusion of choice.
One side comment to also mention is that these politicians have not been particularly smart about it- their model has been out there for everyone to see- “would you rather vote for that Liberal/communist guy against me?” and of course the Republican voters seeing no different results from voting for either party!
What HAS changed is the very alert and informed electorate (at least those among us who bother to be educated in this) and the information resources that are available to them- the CTH being a prime source for me, but there are also others.
Informed and educated electorate eventually won’t allow to keep these lies buried, and that is the reason for my optimism for the future of this country.
Everyone should make every effort to not let these lies stand and keep pushing. Eventually the system Will have to give. A vast majority of even the bureaucracy must want to do the right thing. We see whistleblowers coming out. They are emboldened because they see non-MSM outlets that are equally widely followed.
We will win. We will prevail. We must never give up.
What has changed since 2016 is the illusion was shattered. The Uniparty went all in because they were exposed by Trump, and the Uniparty candidates are no different from each other so now, there is no choice.
The decision is stark. The Uniparty may not like it, but it’s MAGA/Trump or this country is dead. This throw is for all the marbles.
Wow, I believe you now!
Wveow , I believe you now! We are and have been through the looking glass!
DeSantas is going to be another Dukakus ( sp ) — With scrutiny, one will see the artificial movements.
DeXX the documented double-crosser.
…..No one likes a double-crosser, no one
……….Except another double-crosser
……………Remember that when you see the people who support him
………………..You can’t trust anything they say or do
…………………….Because they will double-cross you too.
Harvard + Yale = 2 X loser.
Hearing DeSantis called “meatball” and envisioning those implications makes me smile almost as wide as I do when I watch the Hillary Clinton being thrown into the back of the van like a side of beef
If DeSantis was being groomed back when Rubio was running for the Pres. candidacy, was Rubio the groomed one prior to DeSantis? By the Club? And is it one and done, he failed to be the nominee against Trump before so set him aside and move to the next guy. Is DeSantis that different now than Rubio then? Does Rubio have to cordially defer, I mean he probably still has ambitions. Seems there is a lot of forethought being attributed to the Club, ‘if this and that then else….’. I am not sure I believe they are smart enough for that. But then I don’t align with their goals, and frankly am not that sure I know what they are past muddying the waters to maintain a steady income from influence, so my assessment is likely clouded.
I would imagine that the RINO Club has a lot of new “talent” that they are auditioning. Remember when sweaty Rubio gave the RINO rebuttal to the democrat State of the Union speech. He looked horrible. Water bottle. Sweaty. Nervous.
cbadwebs,
yes to all.
Even CNN was mentioning this. There has been a huge pro-DeSantis push going on in both right-wing and left-wing media for at least the last eighteen months.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/09/media/fox-news-desantis-celebration/index.html
It is interesting to read your reflections, Sundance. Your personal journey is honest and revealing. As always. Most of us don’t have the self awareness, or willingness to deviate from what we believe.
– Einstein was unwilling to admit his theory of General Relativity was true, so he “fudged” the numbers. He simply could not believe what the real numbers would do to his foundational beliefs.
It wasn’t long before his calculation flaws were discovered.
You were in great company.
However, you chose to question further. Questioning your own inclinations .
Most of us cannot, or will not, make the effort to do so.
Einstein stated “Most people think it is the intellect which makes a great scientist. They are wrong. It is their character”.
After he went through the humiliation of his error on the theory of General Relativity, he realized being a great scientist is to follow the evidence and the truth, wherever it leads you.
You do that.
(Because I am not that smart, I have been reading “Reflections on the Existence of God by Richard E Simmons, III. I stole this from him to apply here).
Prob. safe to say that those who refused to be vaxxed didn’t fall for the Uniparty psyc-opp con.
Trump has always been ready for Ron Diss-loyal and he is just getting started.
Right on. People are currently being conned by Lake….
Nope, put down hunters crack pipe, Nate.
The powers that be are pretty effective in maintaining the illusion of choice. Steer the populus all the way to left, then take it to the cliff, while prepping the pendulum choice in the opposite direction.
It can be a struggle to get others to see the marrionette strings.
Whether you like or hate him, this is why Alex Jones was the priority-1 target of what has become the modern industrial/military cencorship complex.
So who is your guy if they are able to take out Trump?
You mean Who are they going to let you choose from?
I can’t believe people still can’t see who is actually in control.
They aren’t taking down Trump. Trump is taking them down and showing us the whole process.
Heidi,
I reject the premise of the question.
You COULD have been a little subtle, and asked “Who is the future of MAGA?”
Bingo.
Fortunately, there is more than one Trump ready and able to lead. Consequently, I choose not to take bait tempting me to future trip and fret about what ifs.
Hopefully helpful saying that offers protection from the constant psyop attacks:
The past is history. The future’s a mystery. Right NOW is a gift, perhaps the last guft, that’s why its called the PRESENT.
PsyWarfare == Spiritual Warfare?
I disagree. There is only one Donald Trump. There is only one person who is an economic nationalist who stands for this country first, in foreign affairs and at home – economically and politically.
There are others who support America First, but they do not have the national exposure, the financial and emotional support of the people, and the media exposure of President Trump.
“…it was all a “PR.” or advertising campaign to create a totally artificial, and unconnected from reality IMAGE.”
Hasn’t this been the case at least since the advent to television and the “principles” [irony alert] of advertising? Candidates have been marketed as products for so long that when they are not, ad hungry supporters create DIY versions [check out the many “Our Lion” and armored demi-god graphics about Trump]. The campaign game is about creating a blank field of dreams that voters can project their emotional hopes upon without committing to very much of substance, since substance creates obligations and alienates those voters who dreamed of different substance. Safer to keep the fantasy empty, pretend the candidate has “character”, and create the impression that he is a well-meaning pet lover/family man who “cares about people like you”.
DeSantis might be conspicuous in his level of artifice (or not — I don;t knw because his voice is so irritating that I haven’t paid much attention to him).
Agree entirely! There is not one word that I would change. I could have written this (not really, but a girl can dream!). I have no love for almost any politician but have never seen a more obvious fraud as this guy. You are NOT nuts in my book Sundance!!!
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And… with Dominion and related voting machines still in most Florida counties, isn’t it special that somehow DeSantis won a landslide victory. All those Andrew Gillum voters somehow voting for DeSantis?
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outhouse council,
It was NOT the Dominion machines that gave Desanctimonious an artificially high vote total (landslide).
That is, it was NOT the “drop and roll” weighted vote and vote flipping algorythms,…we know this because they didn’t stop the count at 11:00 p.m. and they won’t be using that method, any more.
But that doesn’t mean they didn’t inflate his totals, just as they did Kemp and Ratburger etc.
There are MANY ways of cheating, and they have been fixing elections since long before 1988, when Dominion was first used.
What people need to realize also is that, that huge red wave of votes for DeSantis last election was also manufactured. The powers that be wanted to show how the phony DeSanctimonius was able to pull such a victory while, supposedly, as the narrative was laid out, Trump lost last election. They really tried to ALSO have congress stay Democrat, they succeeded with the senate but I think the MAGAdonian vote was too much for them to overcome in certain congressional races.
Yes, they rigged various counties in Florida just to create that illusion.
And so ends the Bud-light marketing strategy of Politics.
I still can’t believe people fell for the “red wave” narrative in 2022 after witnessing 2020.
All part of waking us up though.
I think a lot of it was because the media was promoting it that way and everyone was thinking and hoping it would come to pass.
I think Maga voters did turn out in a wave for a midterm They just cheated it away in key races. The wave was evident when they dropped the ball in CA and NY thinking the dem candidate was a done deal …only the MAGA voters showed up in mass. The midterms were easier for them to squash big republican turnout…The 2024 will not be so easy…I believe we should have had a large majority in the house. The dems thought they would have cheated conrol in the house.
The wave was there. The ballot flipping was sloppy.
The red wave was absolutely there in AZ for Kari and the rest of the MAGA fighters there.
They really had to pull out some new stops for that. Screwing up the ballot printers was a planned last minute op.
It wasn’t last minute; it WAS thoroughly planned out.
WE made it easy for them, by stupidly insisting on voting in person, on election day, which is estimated to have “disenfranchised” 48,000 of our voters.
Hobbs putative margin of victory, only 17,000.
They also stuffed 35,000 mail in ballots, on election day, when they knew the sig var system would be overwhelmed, and they would just get shoved thru.
Voting “HARDER” as in voting in overwhelming #’s does make it harder for them to cheat, and forces them to be more obvious.
And, as we EXPOSE to them as well as everyone else, HOW they cheat, we take methods “off the menu” for the future.
Now, we have to gear up to vote “Harder AND smarter” and like “the third monkey”.
If your the third monkey, on the ramp to noahs ark, you do NOT fight according to any RULES.
You fight to WIN.
Just like going into war-rules like Geneva Convention. Who follows the rules? The ones who will lose the battle I am sorry to say.
Perzactly.
What are you, dear reader willing to do, to “fight like the third monkey, on the ramp to noahs ark”?
Remember the “red wave” of 2018? That didn’t happen either. We get conned all the time. These are the bones they throw us. We need a real opposition party. What do we have to lose.
Last night a Trump hating liberal who is worried about the country told me she wanted the GOP to nominate a good candidate (not Trump). What she means is a RINO who will enact liberal policies but not destroy the country all at once. Do it slowly in other words.
I think you might be misinterpreting what happened in ‘22.
There was a huge red wave that was overcome by the EXACT same methods as the over-throw of Trump in 2020. Ballot fraud supplemented with inaccurate machine count talleys.
Never forget that Mike Lindell questioned the results which of course Ronnie never investigated. Basically, they were too good to be true which most likely means they weren’t
I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, the GOP uses the same Dominion voting machines that the Democrats do.
Lindell even has solid evidence of a small town race in which one Dim used the machines against another.
The UniParty Club Members get to use the machines.
Actualle, there,are two MAIN companies, Dominion and ESE, with a # of smaller ones, as well.
Despite Dominions pleadings in Courts going back many years, (sucessfuly blocking any discovery motions) that the software was “proprietary” and so would cause their business irreperable harm, once we got a peek inside, it turns out its,all the same software, whether Dominion, ESE, or another.
But again there are good, sound reasons to have confidence they will NOT use the algorythm system, again.
“But again there are good, sound reasons to have confidence they will NOT use the algorythm system, again.”
Yeah, they’ve had a few years to fix the bugs from 2020 and implement a few upgrades in order to help their preferred candidates.
( I say bugs because it shouldn’t of had been so obvious to everyone )
Youngkin is another phony in my opinion.
Yes he was the co-CEO of The Carlyle Group for 25 years. All roads lead to Bush.
Yes, he was obvious, from the get go. I thought everyone realised that.
Redistricting is yet another aspect of election manipulation that looks VERY different thru the Uniparty lens, instead of R vs D lens; they are carving out those gerrymandered districts, with very specific UNIPARTY goals in mind.
The Uniparty is identifying where they will allow defunding of the police…for the chaos.
Create problems, propose solutions.
Look at gerrymandered wealthy areas and the police will be fully funded… federally funded & equipped.
I thing the House went EXACTLY the way they wanted it to.
They wanted the R’s to ostensibly take the Majority, so that they could prop up the sorely damaged illusion of a two party system, and wanted to keep the Majority quite small.
With legitimate elections, and the R party an actual MAGA party, the Dems would be a permanent minority party, and the fillibuster rule would be irrelevant.
I often think about the results of many of the races from ‘18, ‘20 and ‘22. So so close, 51%-49%, with many even closer still. My spidey sense starts to tingle, thinking that if so many races are presented as an almost tie, it leaves us looking at ourselves as a permanently divided, always somehow left-leaning country. That same spidey sense tells me that’s not the reality, regardless of the state you live in.