As details begin to emerge, many of the House Republicans are furious at Kevin McCarthy for the deal to lift the debt ceiling he has brokered with Joe Biden.
Suddenly, the prior battle and construct of the House Rules Committee is becoming important. While Kevin McCarthy may have the 218 votes on the floor of the House to pass the deal, he first has to get it out of the House Rules Committee (HRC). If three Republicans oppose it in the HRC, McCarthy cannot get it to the floor. Chip Roy and Ralph Norman are on the HRC and oppose the bill. Thomas Massie is also on the HRC but appears to be supporting Kevin McCarthy (lol, because muh principles).
Byron Donalds also delivered a strong rebuke of the McCarthy deal, as outlined below:
WASHINGTON DC – […] The powerful House Rules Committee will spend Tuesday afternoon debating and — ultimately working to pass — the bipartisan debt deal, requiring a simple majority of at least seven votes on the panel to come to the floor. But some conservatives, including Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas), a committee member, have signaled they may use their power on that panel to block the debt plan from receiving a full House vote.
“I’m going to do what’s in the best interest and this bill is not in the best interest of the country. That is why Democrats are voting for it,” said Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.), another conservative who sits on the Rules panel and has suggested he will oppose the bill during the panel’s meeting.
[…] Under the panel’s current makeup, Rules Chair Tom Cole (R-Okla.) can lose two GOP votes — along with all four Democratic votes — and still advance the bill.
Senior Republicans believe that’s exactly what’s going to happen, according to three people familiar with the discussions. Norman and Roy haven’t explicitly said they will oppose, though Massie is expected to vote in support of the measure going to the floor.
GOP Whip Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) said that he is “confident” that the bill will hit the floor on Wednesday, noting that Rules would be considering amendments. Members submitted more than 55 amendments to the debt deal, most of them from Republicans but some from Democrats as well. (read more)
It’s always for show,while Americans watch with bated breath…..
Without Trump the ‘repubs’ continue to screw us.
Even WITH Trump the “repubs” screw us…Think Paul Ryan.
Who was in charge of the House when they passed the debt ceiling and now blame Trump. Imagine if he Vetoed it. Impeachment 3.
The Biden-McCarthy agreement is not holding up under scrutiny and is being
seen by conservative lawmakers in both houses of Congress as a cave by
McCarthy.
“63% of Americans want Congress to cut spending as part of a debt ceiling
deal. This bill doesn’t do that. Unacceptable.”
“Washington is broken. Republicans got outsmarted by a President who can’t find his pants. I’m voting NO on the debt ceiling debacle because playing the DC game isn’t worth selling out our kids and grandkids.”
Keep asking: How can Congress find all that money to send to Ukraine but they don’t have enough money for our veterans? Answer: They are fiscally irresponsible and should not be entrusted with the earnings of a lemonade stand.
Joe Biden can’t find his pants but knowing the perv do you really think he wants to find his pants ? Reference the story about Joey and the female SS agent.
“Quotes” – nothing to do with if I really think he wants whatever.
Why would Joe ever want to find his pants. Especially after he crapped in them.
She’s a sell-out on abortion.
check your facts … it’s all out there. You’re either prejudiced or have fed yourself on fake news designed to scramble non-discerning minds
Chip Soy is putting on a Kabuki show
isn’t he a Meatball lover?
exactly so. this is all a complete con job. everything woke turns to shit.
Yes he is
I had the exact same thought.
And of course Massie also a meatballer is just being more obvious.
According to CNBC headline it’s a done deal because they have the vote!
Chip Roy is and always has been a Kabuki show!
yes the early first ones
God Bless the Freedom Caucus. Can we please have Chip Roy or Bryon Donalds as speaker???!!! Time to FIRE McCarthy.
There ya go. Don’t know Donalds all that well (yet, working on it) but I can’t imagine Roy giving an inch to the dimorats on spending. There’s just too much at stake this time around.
Byron Donald’s is the real deal!!
No chip roy
Perhaps you are correct on chip roy. Right now I would like anyone in the Freedom Caucus over McCarthy.
Ask ol’ Chip’s truly conservative constituents what they think of him!!!
He’s Cornyn-lite.
Pay no attention to what he says… Watch what he does. If his vote is not responsible for tanking the bill he’ll vote nay… Howev’a… If his vote will tank the bill… watch. MTG? is drunk on the attention she is getting.
Just another Trey Gowdy…
NO to Chipper – he’s faking it !!! He loves RDS
SIGHS…
SIGHS AGAIN…
We have GOT to stop being so quick to rush to the applause of these snakes. Until ANY politician does something that is essentially unforgivable to the deep state, we have to stop stupidly rushing to support them.
We should rank them. When speaking positively about something some unknown new DJT supporter did for our team, we should literally say something like he’s a CAT 2 on the MAGA scale. And have Hurricane type rankings. If someone has done something that reaches PDJT MAGA level, we call them a CAT 5. But prior to absolute proof we should rank them and not get into pissing competitions trying defend any of these people as if they’ve reached the level of full MAGA trust & respect.
For instance we could have been ranking Musk a CAT 1 or CAT 2. Give props to some of his moves but it lets us all keep our eyes on the fact that this dude hasn’t done anything that stamps him as MAGA.
I think this is a good plan. Because for instance, I know I’m about to ruffle some feathers here, but I bet a lot of people here have MTG as full MAGA. But personally, I think she’s about CAT 4 right now and showing signs of losing steam. Female Jim Jordan if you will. Send articles of impeachment or something. If you truly believe the republic is on the like we all KNOW it is, it’s time to send a Hail Mary. Do SOMETHING unforgettable. Anything!!!!
There are literally only 2 humans on the world stage outside for PDJT that I’m putting close to stamping as MAGA at CAT 5. That is Kari Lake, and Mark Robinson. Those two appear to be truly fighting the fight. Other than those two, I don’t know anyone above CAT 3.
We MUST stop going ape S—t over all these flash in the pan hero’s we think we have. They cause the perfect distraction and we fall for it every time.
Yes I agree with 100%
Fully agree with your post minus Kari Lake. She is the next DeSantis
Your meaning is not clear. If you think she is the next turncoat/backstabber/liar who will get power and then act for her own benefit, you are the one who is wrong. In other words, your crystal ball is cracked.
Not even close.
You got anything to back that? Right now based on the levels she’s going to she’s in very rare company.
Good idea. 1
Add General Flint
chip roy is also swamp. the entire cabal. this is a set up. a f con job.
You are, unfortunately, entirely correct.
“The bill is bad” No sh***, Sherlock. Stop with the charade and expedite the collapse. The sooner the better. The US needs a
“cleansing.”
Preferably before we blow up more children (hello, Peru).
Running tally of “No” Republicans by the DC Examiner’s Cami Mondeaux:
Daily Mail says there are now 26 NO votes.
Scott Perry, Pa.
Josh Brecheen, Okla.
Nancy Mace, S.C.
Wesley Hunt, Texas
Ralph Norman, S.C.
Chip Roy, Texas
Anna Paulina Luna, Texas
Matt Rosendale, Mont.
Cory Mills, Fla.
Andy Biggs, Ariz.
Byron Donalds, Fla.
Andrew Clyde, Ga.
Ken Buck, Colo.
Keith Self, Texas
Bob Good, Va.
Lauren Boebert, Colo.
Matt Gaetz, Fla.
Dan Bishop, N.C.
Eli Crane, Ariz.
Mary Miller, Ill.
Mike Waltz, Fla.
Victoria Spartz, Ind.
Kat Cammack, Fla.
Russell Fry, S.C.
Mike Collins, Ga.
Andy Ogles, Tenn.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12139719/GOP-Rep-Nancy-Mace-joins-list-rebels-voting-NO-Kevin-McCarthys-debt-ceiling-debacle.html
I received an email from my representative..Diana Harshbarger..TN..she says she will vote no.
So Daily mail is calling anyone opposed to this debt debacle a ‘rebel.’
well, they’re British
It’s a fair term. We’ll start referring to them as the Empire.
No MTG…a McCarthy lover?
Et tu, MTG and Jim Jordan?? Oh hell yes!
The number of Republicans who come forward as No votes will be just enough to ensure the bill can pass by at least one vote.
That’s why they’re all running to the mic.
Removing McCarthy is the only option now.
The 3 Mcs gotta go! McCarthy, McConnell, and McDaniel!
Thank you. Watching ….
Not one Republican from California or New York. All RINOs, like McCarthy. Anna Paulina Luna is from Florida, not Texas.
Pathetically short list. I just called my rep August Pfluger and his office says he is “reviewing it.” Suspect that means a Yes since this district is very very red. The constituents that is. Texas RNC/GOP is as RINO as they come.
So I emailed my representative – from Idaho! – and asked him why he wasn’t voting a strong no on a bill that would spend $4 TRILLION instead of $1.5 TRILLION and then said don’t bother replying. At least he’ll get the idea I’m mad.
I expected better from Idaho!
Republicans don’t have the guts to stop it! I wish they’d grow a spine!
Nothing to do with spine
They have been paid off to not stop it.
Money talks
Yes!!
They are executing the plan.
They are all a part of the PLAN!
These people are Globalists at their core.
Understand that point.
I just KNEW when Mc decided to stay in DC over the holiday that it was so he could renege on the debt agreement, with no one in town.
This was all arranged last week, between Kev and Slow Joe.
“This was all arranged last week, between Kev and Slow Joe’s handlers.”
FIFY
If the Bill is so bad, why pass it? It seems that is all Congress does is pass bad Bills! All they have to do is reject it and start over! Geez, does Biden really have to do nothing and still gets what he wants?!!!
Kevin McCarthy never fails to screw over the American People. He is an absolute RINO, should have NEVER been allowed to be Speaker of the House, but because almost half of the Republican House are RINOs, they will back McCarthy on any play he decides to make. If the Freedom Caucus cannot band together and stop this abomination of a budget deal, then there really isn`t any hope for this sick, perverted Nation and we deserve exactly what we are about to receive.
The Freedom Caucus isn’t large enough to stop it.
Nor are all the Freedom caucus non RINO’s themselves. They just by and large are from very red areas, and have to cover their slime better than others.
I note, not a single word from any of these bought and aid for scum regards border security/ closing the border.
Very disappointing, but not surprising.
Exactly! Every Democrat in the HR is going to vote for the deal so they only need a handful of Republicans!
The Freedom Caucus cannot stop McCarthy’s sellout bill. It will pass easily with Democrats and establishment RINOs voting for it. This was all decided weeks ago. McCarthy’s negotiation was all theater. It’s all rigged and you can’t change it.
He out and out lied. He said in public, he would eliminate the hiring of 87000 new IRS agents. Instead, he agreed to keep and fund them in this bill. What a guy.
It is very telling that he couldn’t keep that ONE thing. Just that one. GOT to have those new agents.
Why did Matt Gaetz agree to Thomas Massie being on the Rules Committee? He is way too eccentric and too much of a wild card and you can’t rely on him when needed! He should have bypassed Massie and insisted someone like Dan Bishop be put on that Committee! 😑
Gaetz not as smart as he thinks he is.
He’s now a fill-in anchor at Newsmax. Getting ready for his next job.
If the House GOP caucus meets before the floor vote, I wonder if McCarthy will say the same thing that Minority Leader Boehner did when Boehner negotiated a “bipartisan financial rescue package” in 2008 with the Dems:
“It’s a sh!t sandwich, but we’ve got to eat it.”
They all full of it. Let it go. Vote no. Let the govt. Default. It’s a game. Nobody has the ba**s to stand up. I don’t trust none of them.
“The Rules Committee Votes 7-6 to Advance McCarthy-Biden Debt Ceiling Bill”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/house-rules-committee-votes-7-6-advance-mccarthy/
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Means 6 of the 9 republicans on the Committee voted NO. Two-Thirds said no.
It passed out of Committee because 4 democratss and 3 republicans voted YES.
Even in the Committee 2/3 of the republicans tried to stop it. Wonder if the same proportion will vote against it at the Floor Vote Wed night.
7 Republicans voted yes. 4 Democrats and 2 Republicans voted no.
This is why we need a new Party. The GOP is filled with backstabbing duplicitous traitors. It cannot be reformed.
The R’s and D’s are wings of THE SAME BIRD! Corruptocrats!
Jan. 6 rioters are raking in thousands in donations. Now the US is coming after their haul
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-riot-fundraisers-fines-clawback-justice-department-3490da93a6bea505e76bd249eeab72ba
Well, they can be “furious” until hell won’t have it but it’s pointless fury unless they can find a way stop it.
At the moment, all indications are that they’ve been punked.
Most if not all posts don’t understand the fundamentals of our current monetary system.
They are like madmen raging against the sea.
It’s all a bunch of emotions.
If we are going to Make America Great Again, we must understand this simple fact.
You can never return to the principles of the Constitution without having a Constitutional money system at its foundation.
Look up thread.
This deal was agreed to weeks ago in a back room. McCarthy’s negotiation was all theater. The Uni-party wants the Democrat agenda. They just needed to appear to “fight” and gain some ‘concessions” to placate their base voters — the rubes they need to fool into thinking the GOP is actually an opposition party. It’s all rigged. And you can’t change it.
No bill is better than a bad bill and this McCarthy-Gramps deal is a bad bill. Leave the debt ceiling where it is.
Let the FedGov live on its current $3 trillion tax receipts which are enough to service the current debt, pay Social Security, Medicare and other essentials. OK, so the FedGov might not be able to hire a bunch of new IRS agents. And maybe Gramps couldn’t afford to subsidize the murder of a bunch more Ukrainians. But that’s OK.
It’s a backdoor balanced budget amendment.
Oh and by the way, vacate the Chair.
Now 31 Republicans have said they will vote no. Why so few. The rest better hurry up and come out against this bill or they will be forever remembered as the ones who stole the future from our children and grandchildren…
Hurry up you snakes…vote no . Or else…
They just need to figure out how many will be allowed to vote no. It only needs to pass by one vote.
And it will…
The “future” was stolen a long time ago.
Benny Johnson
@bennyjohnson
Sen. @BasedMikeLee
slams proposed budget deal:
“If you’re a Republican member of the House or the Senate and you’re thinking about voting for this, come talk to me… Read through it. You’ll see this bill does not do what it claims it does. This juice is not worth the squeeze and there’s not a whole lot of juice in it.”
Video linked in tweet…
Mike Lee trying to say poor Kev was ‘misled’….good grief..they do think we are all stupid.
McCarthy is not a highly intellectual or articulate person. He personifies the Peter Principle. And, of course, he’s a RINO.
He’s one of the WORST, precisely because he’s so damn sanctimonious about how “constitutional” he is. Just like Cruz.
is Mike Lee saying McCarthy cant read? How do you get “Misled” if you can read.
Vote this piece of crap down and tell the senate to pass the bill the house has already passed or default.
McCarthy has proven himself to be the piece of crap we knew him to be.
Now we get to see what the remainder of the house is.
Default is lying bs anyway. All they have to do is quit sending billions to Ukraine, billions to support the invaders and all of the other wasted money and pay their bills. They collect money all of the time.
If the car payment is due, do you go buy a new pony instead of paying the car payment?
Ukraine is where they get their palms greased! They can’t stop sending money or they don’t get paid under the table! Stop the junkets while your at it!
Disgusted at McCarthy, Massie, and others who sold out. How many fake GOP RINOS are lyingly saying they do not support the bill while knowing it was going to pass anyway and McCarthy did not need their votes. ALAS, here comes the vote to vacate the CHAIR, those who vote to keep McCarthy as speaker are your RINOS. Thanks Matt Gaetz for at least letting us see through the smoke and mirrors.
You should have seen Massie smiling and smirking in the Rules Committee this afternoon as he discussed this horrible budget deal. He didn’t seem to understand what he was talking about as he basically supported the deal.
Who names their kid Chip ? No sure I could trust a man named Chip .
Good reason not to trust “big mouth” Chip Roy: he endorsed Ron DeSantis several weeks BEFORE DeSantis announced his campaign for President.
Yes thank you. This was immediately obvious when he did it.
Bakers and computer makers do.
Wood chipper operator – of course!
McCarthy is brilliant.
With this deal he FLUSHES his opponents down the crapper.
The opponents MUST call for a vote for a new Speaker, and McCarthy will win that vote.
McCarthy promised no closed rules in the Rules Committee on spending bills when he got the speakership. He promised open rules allowing for amendments. He reneged on that today. What will the Freedom Caucus do about that after all the blustering during the Speaker debates 4 months ago? Not a damn thing.
I don’t care. Until Donald Trump is inaugurated in January 2025 everything is just irrelevant political theater. Then comes the reckoning. Until then, F all of them.
Trump 2024
and if he is not?
This is a major three-alarm fire call on the road to serfdom and the NWO.
We are factually bankrupt. $100s of trillions in total debt. Congress cannot keep spending. If we wrote checks that we knew were fraudulent, they would put us in jail.
It is time we treated our politicians as they treat us!!!!!
The House Rules Committee passed the deal. This is a done deal no matter how much BS appears in the media for entertain the masses.
Do the math. That is $1.5T to $2.1 OVER 10 YEARS if congress breaks precedent and actually follows the deal … $210B per year over 10 years. To date, not a single Debt Limit Deal has been kept by Congress, Clinton, Bush II, Obama nor Sock Puppet JoeBama. Congress over road and ignored President Trump’s eforts and even sued him to force the spending of money.
That is not even a measurable fraction of the money spent per year over the past 3 years on every thing except what is needed and budgeted.
The Puppet Masters directing Sock Puppet JoeBama have spent that much per month on the Ukraine.
This does not even slow the current rate of increase National Debt and deficit spending by the Uni-Party.
Until we get rid of baseline budgeting there are NO spending cuts, only reductions of the rate of increases. Baseline budgeting is a fools way of never having to “tighten your belts” like they tell us to do.
Treeper Buddy Smot posted this on the Presidential open thread, I’m copying it over to here for relevance
Eye-opening
I copied that over to the Byron Donalds thread
The backstory to this is the House passed bill was weak to begin with. Russ Vought (sp?) had put together a viable plan to get us back on the right track, but of course it couldn’t get traction with all of the fake Republicans.
So the only option we had was McCarthy taking an extremely hard line with this “weak” bill to get us in a position to do something real in the future.
McCarthy did the opposite of taking a hard line in negotiations and completely gave away any leverage we would have for the next two years. No caps, loopholes for Biden to ignore the spending limitations, etc.
But, unsuccessfully….
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Gaetz: Passing debt deal without Republican majority would ‘likely trigger an immediate motion’ to oust McCarthy
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4026850-gaetz-passing-debt-deal-without-republican-majority-would-likely-trigger-an-immediate-motion-to-oust-mccarthy/
Whoop de do. Closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.
I thought they changed the rules to allow just five Republican Congressmen to force a vote on the Speaker of the House position. Time for the GOP to put their money where their mouth is or it’s more political theater.
They’re demanding the wrong things. Spending is never going to be cut. They should be demanding heads roll over the Russia hoax and the fake-peechment.
Widespread firings. Massive targeted cuts at FBI.
A corrupt government should not be funded. And if they shut down? NO BACK PAY.
Republican go-alongs-to-get-alongs have hosed us once again. When will We The People learn not to keep sending tax and spend profligates to Washington?
GOOD TERM Joseph ODonnell –
profligate – NOUN – a person given to wildly extravagant and usually grossly self-indulgent expenditure
ADJECTIVE – 1) wildly extravagant
2) completely given up to dissipation and licentiousness : shamelessly immoral
Term Limits!
Is anybody REALLY surprised at McCarthy’s “performance ?”
No, he talks tough during an election year then caves inbetween, like always.
I’ve been waiting for the other shoe to drop, with McCarthy…it has…they need to remove him as speaker and install someone else…now we know how it is with McCarthy…cut our losses and move on…this was the issue that kept the vote on the House floor when he was trying to become speaker…and MTG ? I wonder what her take is on this….just sayin’
They ALL groom their successor so you always get the same turd when it gets recycled! GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)
All I can think of is the quote by someone “close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.”
And Quates!
There MIGHT be a handful who are actually opposed to this bill, but there are plenty on this list already who don’t really oppose this bill, and it’s all performative. This is a craptastic crapshow. I can pretty much promise they’re counting heads already, and they’ll get just enough Aye Dem votes to offset any Nay Republicans, they’ll be mostly Dem party hierarchy or Dems from less-than-solid districts who will claim they voted for the bi-partisan deal. You have to learn to read these people, and for 95% of them, this is all show, all the time. Chip Roy is another faker. He can kiss it. If he was serious, he would be introducing the motion to vacate the chair. Even if he does, he’ll only do it if he knows McCarthy is safe, OR he thinks HE personally can pull off a palace coup. He’s a climber. Watch him like a hawk. Big ambitions, long term. Don’t be surprised to see him step up to replace Cornyn or Cruz when the time comes.
The thing is, the bunch of them voting no, there might be three-seven of them who are at least semi-earnest. Any of the rest will only desert when they know there’s enough Dem support to pass it. It’s all a show. You’re being played. Massie is another faker. I don’t trust any of them. My own member is useless, diaper-wearing RINO from Round Rock, and I’m praying for an opportunity to primary his ass. He shows up at Trump rallies here in TX because he needs that endorsement and he won’t take any chances about getting it. True of several of them, to be frank. Texas is RINO-land. Our legislature is a bunch of RINO/uniParty climbers. All of them hope and pray for the day they can step up to a federal slot. Most of the older Republicans in/from TX were Democrats pre-1994, and they shifted hard after the Gingrich revolution of 1994. It’s sad what’s become of old Newty, what with his Club of Rome hanger-on status these days. Oh, what people will do for money and a little bit of respect from the establishment…
Will this start with the above triggering a financial disaster, followed by Joe Biden’s Executive Order 14067 in July to finish the job. Then what remains of the government could say they had any amount of money available without looking for gold or silver as a backup. And, we get Revelation 13:16-18. Look at when EO 14067 was signed.
So I am expecting this non-budget to be passed. And with no upper limit on its ability to borrow money.
isnt it time to vacate the chair
Yes, but they won’t.
I agree, they won’t vacate, they’ll be mouthy about it..
This is so discouraging
In the words of a great friend…”*blank* ’em all but eight. Six for Pallbearers and two for road guards”! Yeah, he lifted it from someone else, but I loved his version! 😉
Haven’t heard “Road Guards” since basic training in ’71! (Ft. Dix)
Greg Price
@greg_price11
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@RepDanBishop
says that it was McCarthy himself who made the call to increase the debt ceiling by $4 trillion until Jan 1, 2025:
“It wasn’t even asked for by the Democrats… That’s a $4 trillion increase in debt that we just let [Biden] have and the Speaker made the call.”
Video linked…
Russ Vought
@russvought
For the first time in over 60 years, an independent Rules Committee acted as check vs Leadership thanks to the fight in
@chiproytx,
@RepRalphNorman
& the 20 who made it possible. Needed one more vote but its enormous institutional development to build on. On to the floor battle!
9:28 PM · May 30, 2023
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He’s got to be kidding.
They could have at least booted the IRS agents, along w/closing the border. What a dog and pony show.
Rep. Thomas Massie the John McCain of RINO Fiscal liars. Nice work Tommie Boy.
Never let him forget. His career should be dead.
Vote republican?
I will shoot myself before ever voting for any one of these turds.