Everything I have outlined about Twitter is going to surface as accurate over time. There are two major elements: (1) DHS govt influence, now evidenced in the Twitter Files, and (2) the Twitter financial issues, which explain the recent hiring of Linda Yaccarino, which are soon to surface.
Yesterday, Elon Musk responded to criticism of Twitter censorship, vis-a-vis government demands, with this Tweet: “Please point out where we had an actual choice and we will reverse it.”
The Musk supporters are saying Musk has to comply with government demands if their national laws require it. However, that angle doesn’t take into consideration the choice that Musk/Twitter always have.
If the platform content is not approved by a government, and that govt then demands removal or censorship of that content, Twitter always has two options. One, to comply with the demand and block or restrict the user content (which is the direction they have taken) – or two, stop allowing the platform to operate in the country demanding the censorship. It is the latter option that everyone always avoids mentioning.
However, the issue appears to be bigger and goes to the heart of the second aspect of Twitter we have noted.
Twitter is not viable as a business model under the construct of its creation. Twitter operates on Amazon Web Services (AWS) cloud and Google Cloud.
Both big tech monopoly systems are extremely expensive, and as a result Musk is stuck in contracts with AWS and Google that are major financial drains. Twitter does not operate any server infrastructure; the only asset that Twitter has on the tech engineering side is the software to operate the platform.
Absent any hardware infrastructure, Musk is vulnerable to the excessive costs of AWS & Google.
Keep in mind that all cloud-based systems are arguably U.S. government subsidized and end in server farms built and owned by the U.S. govt. Send something to a cloud-based system, or operate your tech through a cloud-based system, and you are essentially operating on govt hardware.
[This is the background #2 issue to Jack’s Magic Coffee Shop.]
As you can see from this article in March 2023 [MUST READ], Musk was behind in his payments to Jeff Bezos (Amazon, AWS) but up to date on his payments to Google.
In essence, even as the article admits, Elon Musk is making payment decisions based on determinations of how best to avoid advertising revenue interruptions. Keep this in mind.
As you can see in the article, Musk is on the hook for contracts with AWS through 2025. As written, “AWS is not willing to renegotiate the five-and-a-half year contract it signed with Twitter in 2020.” That is before Musk took ownership. “That contract required Twitter to pay $510m over that period. It was signed when Twitter was expecting to move its main timeline over to AWS, but that never occurred (instead it hosts Twitter Spaces and other services), meaning that Twitter is not fully making use of the contract.” So, Jeff Bezos (AWS) has a hook into Musk for roughly $100 million a year.
Additionally, “Twitter uses Google Cloud to a greater degree, with its own five-year contract worth $1bn. While Twitter is also looking to reduce its Google Cloud costs.” That puts Musk on the hook for $200 million a year to Google, and Google controls the vast majority of advertising revenue on the web.
Each system, AWS and Google, represents a threat vector for Twitter (Musk), insofar as Twitter cannot operate without the cloud services each provider contributes to the data processing.
Absent his own data processing systems, Musk is vulnerable to the AWS/Google demands -$300,000,000/yr just for them. Again, keep this in mind.
This is all part of the financial section I have written about extensively, and it has an impact on the content.
With this information as the overlay, how much freedom does Musk actually have with the platform when he is dependent on Google and Amazon to operate? The same Google who controls the majority of his revenue (advertising) controls his data processing. See the problem?
On content, look at what AWS did to Parler as an example of what they could do to Twitter if Musk is not compliant. On revenue, consider how Google already has influence over the monetization of any platform on the internet, combined with terms and conditions for content control they can exert through their revenue power.
♦ Amazon (AWS, CIA, U.S. Govt) then becomes the primary control lever for rules and guidelines on content – the government compliance stuff. How does it surface? Musk saying he must censor Turkish political opposition parties.
♦ Google then becomes the primary control lever for Twitter revenue. How does that surface? Musk hiring Linda Yaccarino as CEO of Twitter.
Can you see it now?
Do the irreconcilables start to reconcile?
Does Elon Musk saying, “Please point out where we had an actual choice and we will reverse it,” start to make sense now?
Given that Musk is on the hook for $300 million/yr, and that’s just one expense, I suspect Musk is closer to bankruptcy with Twitter than most people think.
The operating costs are too extreme for the business model. They always were; however, I suspect the USG was indirectly subsidizing Twitter through data processing when Jack Dorsey had ownership.
The subsidy would be part of the private-public partnership, where the USG was benefitting from their ability to control public information and public opinion.
With the USG control via DHS and FBI now in sunlight (Twitter Files), the financial side has always been the second -and hidden- big picture element around Jack’s Magic Coffee Shop.
Bottom line, Musk has to make decisions through one prism, THE ECONOMICS. Musk’s decision-making, pro freedom or not, is constrained by this financial dependency. Hence, a lot of the platform censorship elements remain (including some personnel) and now the outreach to appoint Google/WEF approved Linda Yaccarino in an effort to enhance the revenue.
As the end dates of the contract terms with AWS and Google start to come closer, decisions will have to be made if Musk wants a sustainable platform. Either he builds out new hardware (extremely costly and likely cost prohibitive), or he looks for an existing platform that he might be able to merge with and operate.
If you are a platform owner of reasonable scale, and you control your own servers and data-processing, watch out for David Sacks (repping for Elon) to tap you on the shoulder. Twitter is in a bind, or Musk needs to sink buckets of money he doesn’t have into building something. The financial viability is now the primary prism, not principles of free speech.
On the content side, Elon Musk needs content providers, which explains the thirst for Tucker Carlson and even the DeSantis launch to gain some operational impact. That’s likely where his key tech advisor David Sacks again comes into play. On the type of content, that’s where Linda Yaccarino steps in as the Google/WEF bridge to approved content revenue.
Elon is in a sticky wicket situation.
You do not get it. Elon KNEW all of this going in. If Sundance would quit exposing this charade, no one would know. Sundance and Sunlight do amazing things. Everything Musk does is government controlled. Who do you think will control your brain implant?
Elon did a lot of due diligence before this purchase. Of course he knew and he accepted these conditions.
I don’t believe for a minute that he espouses free speech. Sure, he took a couple of baby steps, but tons of people are still banned from Twitter that were banned under Dorsey like Mike Adams. So how does that “free speech” work again?
Elon says and does things to attract investors and this is what he did for Twitter. PERIOD. He does these publicity stunts for all of “his” businesses. Attract investors. He doesn’t know jack shit about the businesses”he runs”. A 3-year old knows this just merely by the way Musk talks. He stutters, says “um”, talks in generalities in forums that focus on “his businesses”, then says “but it is a lot more complicated than that” and hides behind the curtain of AUTISM to explain away his inability to speak in details (about “his businesses”). Then he does PR maneuvers like show up for manned Space-Ex launches, talks to the kids of the astronauts and says”we’re gonna bring your Daddy home”, and the public gushes about how awesome he is. Attract INVESTORS!
Folks, this is investor marketing! He doesn’t know squat about rockets.
Back to Twitter….He makes public statements and sends Twitter messages (his admin does) and does one or two small action items that the media plays up as a gigantic step for mankind in order to return those millions of conservatives who left Twitter some years back so that he and the US government can influence them (publically declaring Desantis support is an example that crashed like a Space-Ex rocket). The government is still employed or involved in Twitter as either active government employees or ex-government employees, or both. The strings that tie Twit w/the government are still there. Twit is NOT independent of the U.S. government by a long shot.
Musk is just the face of these public-private partnership businesses. He is likeable, whoever writes his Tweets is shrewd, he is really, really good at marketing himself and his businesses and hides the fact he is joined at the hip with the US government although that facade is slipping fast. That is the extent of his talents. He’s really a fraud.
Exactly!
Elon “doesn’t know squat about rockets.” ?????????????
Obviously you haven’t watched any of the hundreds of “SPACE-X STATUS” videos where Elon answers scientific questions from scientists and journalists about the various rocket systems.
Elon gives exact, specific, scientific details as to WHY he designed them that way.
Even a parrot can be taught.
Looking in the mirror are we ?
Elon is not an enemy.
He is a controlled DS operative. Always has been.
He is “controlled” at the moment.
Sundance has explained exactly how.
But Elon is not part of the swamp.
He is a very interesting person.
Would love to pay chess with him.
We have exposed so much in this site in previous posts regarding Elon’s ties to government, repeatedly.
First, you just don’t up and ‘get controlled for (at) the moment’ with his connections and wealth.
We, the regulars on this site, know exactly what Elon is.
How would you know what Elon is a part of and not so emphatically.
You are either an influencer (paid or otherwise) that has little to no effect to our base, and who we regularly expose;
OR, you are so blind and just ate up with Elon that you refuse to see what we all know. And that’s fine.
And if he’s so interesting, then please, by all means, go suck up to him, cause we don’t care here!
But your weak arguments ain’t working here, bro! 😎
I would venture to say that most to all of His businesses were funded by government grants and government monies.
ALL
I AM a regular on this site, and have been for a number of years.
I rarely comment.
I am not blind, and i am not affiliiated with the government.
You are paranoid.
Because of what he does, Elon has had no choice but to rub elbows with the government, and Sundance has done a good job outlining the subversive hold that it has on Elon.
Do not expect the control the swamp has over Elon to dissipate, but rather to increase prior to the 2024 election.
If we (MAGA) win in 2024, and Trump is restored to the Presidency, WHAT ELON DOES “AFTER THAT” WILL INDICATE WHAT SIDE HE IS TRULY ON.
I expect that should that occur, that you will change your tune at that time.
Increase and he always has a choice. That choice is integrity to his promise of no censorship type actions or money.
Don’t be naive.
He doesn’t have a choice, and is doing what he has to do to survive.
His devotion to freedom of speech is proven by his purchase of Twitter, and the fact that he is hanging on there.
He has eliminated most of the swamp-creatures that worked there, and has removed the non-governmental control mechanisms that he could so far, and finds that he is still very-much controlled by the USG.
But elections can CHANGE the USG.
Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Nor was Rome RE-BUILT in a day.
Be patient. Be open-minded. Have faith.
Ok, I’m done with this. We just disagree.
Up thread, I stated as an option that if you are not an influencer, then you’re “….just ate up with Elon……” and “And that’s fine.”
Devotion to free speech is not proven by his mere purchase of Twitter. There is not even logic in that statement, not even remotely.
I could care less about Rome, I have no time for patience with Elon because I nor we really need him or Twitter and don’t have the time nor resources to counter. It is a distraction.
I was very open minded until my research, quoted in this comment section on multiple SD posts along with others who did the same, indicated every single major entity that Musk was involved in has heavy US government and/or CCP funding of some sort (Tesla, SpaxeX, Twitter, the Boring Company, Neuralink, etc to name a few).
I have absolutely no faith in Elon and NEVER WILL!
There are too many ‘coincidences’ with Elon’s affairs and that will always cause a red flag for me and most of the commenters I’ve encountered on this site.
You like him, you follow and believe in him.
Good luck!
Thank you.
I will.
Buying Twitter for defending freedom of speech is not what I believe Musk did it primarily for – even though he purged undesirable (whatever undesirable constitute of .. is unknown) elements within the company. Let’s see how it all applies to Biden’s push for censorship criteria of independent media when it comes to ‘tests’ concerning human clinical trials; if and when done will be allowed on Twitter involving Neuralink which was not approved by FDA early last year since the company was founded in 2016. This is the major ‘put it on the backburner’ concerning all of Musk’s businesses in tandem with the real reason/s he acquired Twitter.
He is saying all you have to do is tell us and any thing which should not be censorable ‘we can remove it’.
As of today which MSM has reported of cases of note, (wireless) brain implants with claims that brain implants are more effective than chemotherapy and cause less detrimental side effects.
Musks’s company Neuralink developing brain implants to be able to communicate with machines by thought has finally won approval from FDA ..
“We are building surgery simulations for faster iteration and better test coverage. Join us to help expand this capability”
The neurotechnology company has implanted artificial intelligence microchips in the brains of monkeys.
In September, the University of California Davis reportedly obtained 371 photos related to the animals killed during Neuralink’s experiments to implant brain chips.
Musk, who co-founded Neuralink in 2016, has pledged Neuralink’s technology “will enable someone with paralysis to use a smartphone with their mind faster than someone using thumbs.”
University of Californian, Davis has obtained 371 photographs showcasing the monkeys that died during Neuralink’s mission to insert brain chips in them.
The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine group sued the UC, Davis in February for refusing to release photos and videos of Neuralink experiments.
“UC Davis thinks the public is too stupid to know what they’re looking at,” said Ryan Merkley, director of research advocacy with the Physicians Committee said in a statement in September. “But it’s clear the university is simply trying to hide from taxpayers the fact that it partnered with Musk to conduct experiments in which animals suffered and died.”
Despite the animals who were killed during the trial, Neuralink began clinical trials to implant humans with brain chipss that communicate with external devices in January.
See the admission that he Elon, does not control censorship in relevant context when linked?
The potential for evil government control and usage of this technology is unthinkable.
Nice info. Always suspected the Neuralink thing was sadistically evil. Combine with a government controlled social media propaganda/ censor for your thoughts platform and 5G is scary.
Houston, we got a problem!
That could very well be the Big Payoff!!
B.K., and my fellow keyboard warrior treepers.
Just sharing this for your consideration, and aknowledging B.K.’s responce to Illurion is not unlike replies I myself have posted many times, to comments that challenged my views, or what I percieved to be challenges to the ‘collective wisdom’ of the treehouse.
So, admitting openly I am “guilty as charged” of responding by offering some logical, rhetorical counters, and then some form of “so, your either an influencer or an idiot”.
Firstly, we have no way of knowing who is on the other end of the keyboard, it COULD be an influencer, exploiting the Treehouse to take advantage of its broad audience, to “amplify” their false narrative.
Or, a “fellow treeper, true MAGA” who has simply fallen for the false narrative of the influencers, and is unwittingly amplifying the influencers message.
If the latter, we are chasing off “one of our own” and perhaps many others who see this
responce, and conclude the treehouse is unwelcoming to any views that don’t fit the accepted groupthink narrative.
I submit this is counterproductive, as we want the truth to be spread far and wide.
Just as fundamentally, this approach makes us vulnerable to falling into the trap OF “groupthink” and embracing false narratives of our own, AS ‘accepted wisdom’.
WE see it clearly in those with TDS, the “libtards” for instance, as they cancel anyone that challenges their “company line”. HOWEVER, HOW do we know our accepted wisdom is TRUE, and ACCURATE, UNLESS it is routinely subject to challenge, and the fires of rigourous debate, using logic and the tools of rhetoric which burn away all falsehoods, and that only the TRUTH can withstand?
Finally, I suggest when someone posts a comment challenging our “accepted view” we WELCOME the challenge, and not question their motive or intelligence in our responce, no “Jane, you ignorant slut” at all.
Instead, offer logical counterarguments using rhetoric, compare and contrast, analogies etc. in a spirited, vigorous debate, is the spirit OF debate, confident that the TRUTH will emerge for all to see.
THIS, I submit is the ‘best’ responce to the “influencers” we know we are constantly hammered by, because it effectively reverses their attempt at “amplification”.
ALL who read here, clearly see their false narratives for EXACTLY what they are, and so are not only not decieved, but are permanently innoculated against “falling for” that particular false narrative, ever again.
Not singling you out, B.K. just using your exchange with Illurion, as an example.
Feeling like I may have led ir encouraged by example the “your an influencer or an idiot” approach, and now regretting it, I am now SUGGESTING we consider a coarse correction?
I will take this alternate path going forward, and endeavor to stay on coarse.
respectfully,..
Dutch
I agree in principle with everything you stated.
And it’s ok to use me as an example anytime. I probably do need it occasionally.
Now, I have some ‘suspicion cat’ data to share with you:
1. I haven’t found anywhere after cursory review where Illurion initiated an original comment for anyone to reply. All of his/her comments were in response to others that had different opinions or cautious concern;
2. In every instance, there was an effort to dissuade, discourage, persuade (influence) or belittle the other commenters position;
3. Efforts were made against (appropriate times):
William Gaynor – 5
Bill Coulter – 2
Lorrie Griten – 2
Val1 – 1
Right to Reply – 1
Bonnie Blue is tired of the lies – 1
Fionnagh – 1
Myself- multiple;
4. When confronted, would make illogical, deflecting, snide and/or belittling tones or comments to several, including William Gaynor, Lorrie Griten and myself using words such as naive, paranoid, etc (talking about manners and etiquette?).;
5. He/she was supported 3 times by other commenters that strangely, as him/herself, have not replied once to any other commenters on the other pages of this post by SD against a multitude of Treepers making the same or likeminded comments as those mentioned in this reply;
6. One of these ‘supporters’ came back at me with Illurion piling on 2 times back to back with nonsense. Did I tell you that this commenter is nowhere else in this post after that at the time of this reply.
Tell me, Dutch, does any of this seem suspicious to you?
Maybe I am paranoid! Lol 😂 😂
Black Knight:
Yes, you are paranoid.
There is nothing “suspicious” about me at all.
Over the years, i generally only respond to posts on page “one” of the comments section, as i rarely read any of the comments past page one, as i am only interested in my fellow Treepers “first impression.”
In addition, on this particular article, i only responded to posts in the top half of page one, before i moved on to the next article.
I rarely comment at all after all these years.
But sometimes Sundance writes a particularly good article that interests me.
Today i posted a comment, and was promptly attacked by you and several others.
I was called an “Influencer” and a believer of “Q”, and (an FBI agent) from “Langley”, etc.
So, i responded to your attacks, and defended myself.
Back in the 60’s, my Grandmother used to say “If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.”
In defending myself, i wrote more posts today, on this article, than i have written in the last 2 or 3 years combined.
It was so unusual, i even mentioned it to Sundance.
It is funny that some, not all, treepers talk much about free speech until someone disagrees with them.
Then “intolerance” is their response.
Having read your stuff many times, over many articles here over time, i don’t think you really know what “logical” means, so we will just have to “agree to disagree” on that subject.
Your word “nonsense” to describe what i write is exactly what i see in what you sometimes write.
The Dutchman is correct, and you should listen to him.
In conclusion,
Sundance has very accurately explained what pressure the USG has over Elon, and how Elon is pretty much “controlled” at this time.
Even Elon agrees, and has stated so publicly.
As i stated above earlier today, once the 2024 election is over, based on who wins, we will know for sure EXACTLY how Elon really feels about freedom of speech:
ie: if Trump wins, and removes the USG pressure off Elon, If Elon continues the same suppression the biden administration had regimented, then YOU ARE RIGHT, and i am wrong. But if Elon eliminates the biden suppression at that time, the the opposite will be proven.
I happen to believe Elon is trustworthy.
Time will tell.
You posted ‘responses (known as replies)’ to other people’s comments trying to change their minds. They called you out or challenged you. And you didn’t and don’t like it. So you take the position that you’re attacked.
You stated earlier you had “ no idea what Q is” and made snide comments when called out by another commenter. Now, you seem to know who or what Q is. How could you know to follow or not follow something if you don’t know what it is?
I’m still looking for where someone claimed you were FBI, though I will admit somebody else that was suspicious mentioned Langley (which is CIA).
You challenge someone else by YOUR replies to their comments, they respond in defense or to make a counter argument or point and you’re the victim?
Got it!
Can you provide us with your original (non-responsive reply to someone else) comment(s) and where and who attacked you in that instance?
We’re quite tolerant but tolerance does not mean acquiescence.
And waiting until after the election for free speech on Twitter is ‘election interference.’ Very convenient!
Thanks for playing!
You Again:
My comments are my comments, just like yours, are yours.
I could care less whether my comments change anyone else’s mind.
They give their opinion, and i give mine.
It takes “two” to make a conversation.
I don’t make snide comments. I’ll leave that to you.
I have no idea what “Q” is, and don’t really care to know, although i think it is funny that another Treeper reminded us that OO7’s boss was named “Q.” (there were two bosses if i recall, and i really liked the female one.)
Thank you for the CIA instead of FBI correction.
Neither of which i worked for.
Thank you for pointing out where your confusion lies:
ie: you believe that replying to someones comment with your own comment is a “CHALLENGE.”
No, IT ISN’T.
It is an exchange of ideas.
Your considering everyone who responds to something you write as a “challenge” definitely falls under the category of “intolerance.”
Got it!
As Sundance has shown you, Elon has “no control” over what the USG orders him to allow on the Twitter platform at this time.
Why does that seem to confuse you ? even Sundance and Elon both agree.
You state that Elon is NOT trustworthy, and i say he IS trustworthy, and that how Elon adapts to the results of the 2024 election will indicate which one of us is correct.
Why do you keep twisting that around to say something different?
Thank you.
Finding someone amusing and intriguing is not a basis for trust.
How can you proclaim Musk is not part of the swamp? You don’t know that.
Where do you think he got his billions?
I find him witty and a bit of an enigma, but I sure as hell don’t trust him.
Lorrie:
Musk received his first several billions from his creation of PAYPAL.
In the Star Trek motion picture “THE VOYAGE HOME”, when Kirk asked Spock to do a spatial-calculation while the computers were down, Spock replied that he could not do so. Kirk told Spock “take a guess”, and Spock did so, and his GUESS was correct of course.
When Spock asked McCoy why Kirk seemed so UPBEAT, McCoy answered: “It’s a compliment Spock, the Captain is saying HE HAS MORE FAITH IN YOUR GUESSES, THAN IN MOST PEOPLES FACTS.”
In conclusion Lorrie: i HAVE MORE FAITH IN MUSKS GUESSES, THAN IN MOST PEOPLES FACTS.
I feel the same way about Trump, whom i met once back in the mid-1980’s. A very impressive man.
Agreed. People need to go back to trusting their gut instincts instead of letting someone else do their thinking.
Thank you. Agreed.
How’s the weather in Langley?
Wouldn’t know.
Never been to the center of the swamp creatures lair.
Rarely leave Florida.
Are you aware that SpaceX near the southern border is completely unprotected? Anyone can walk onto the land and into the building!
Yep.
Been there.
If and when an attack comes, it will be from WATER, not land.
The place operates 24/7.
When i asked, was told that it would cost too much to secure the area.
Between the lines, i think, they think, they will survive the attack, and the government will then step in and pay to secure the area.
A purely business decision.
As Sundance lays out, it DOESN’T MATTER what or how Musk feels about “free speech”; he may actually ‘believe’ everything he espouses regarding “free speech”; but is he willing to go bankrupt, to be “ruined” in order to defend the principle of “free speech”; very FEW are willing to take such a stand, for an “abstract” albeit essential principle.
Obviously, PDJT is one. Its the “moral dillemma”; its EASY to talk about and verbally defend such principles, the test is when doing so comes with personal, devastating costs.
Think of Manafort vs Cohen whenever you contemplate such a dillemma.
Manafort, regardless of how you may judge him personally, was a “stand up guy”; he faced ruination for him, wife, family and fortune which he could have avoided, by rolling over. And said “Bring it on”.
And frankly, don’t villify Cohen, as unless you have been in his shoes you really can not say, speaking hypothetically that you would have accepted your wife being imprisoned for 7 years, etc.
rather than ‘roll over’.
Doing the right thing is NEVER “easy”, if it was, EVERYBODY would do it.
Well said.
actually he waived due diligence..even if you did not trust the media to get the story straight, that specific issue came up in his court filing and was made public in the chancery hearing in delaware over the bot arguments…
elon musk did NOT perform due diligence. Why he did not, remains one of the most idiotic stunts he has every pulled. Complaining later over a purchase price negotiation got him nowhere because if his lack of interest in simply signing beforehand a due diligence clause that would allow his team to inspect twitter. He never did it.
I have some theories why he did not have a due diligence clause…but none of them really address the underlying stupidity…
there is one other plausible explanation: twitter may have refused the terms and elon felt he could win a court case after the fact if he could show the bot and spam problem to an objective court judge. He seriously misjudged that strategy as the chancery judge in delaware was having none of it. Basically told him to pound sand and that his complaints after the fact were unreasonable…and it makes sense.
imagine if you sold your car for 5,000 buck…but the buyer sez…I want to drive it and take it to a shop first and have it inspected…and then the shop says, it’s not worth 5,000 because the engine is about to blow. So as a sellor if you knew the car had problems…you might decline the terms for a pre sale inspection.
what makes this different is that it appears that elon had more than just suspicions the engine was blown, but he could never negotiate a contract to have a shop inspect.
the driving the car, the first thing he does is take it to a shop and cry: engine is blown.
delaware chancery did some sketchy things…but clearly if elon had held to his hunch about bad things at twitter…he should have demanded a due diligence clause or just walked away from the deal.
that he did neither of these two things is very telling about elon’s decision making process…fail.
God Bless America
Thanks R!
Interesting facts.
Thank you.
Despite his mistakes, i am glad Elon purchased Twitter.
While there is still interference caused by the USG control issues, it appears that there are fewer of those issues, and at the very least, we conservatives got the enjoyment of watching the liberals meltdown over Twitter moving closer to “our” side.
Whoa – too much caffiene already this morning?
I like ELON, and trust his love for truth and freedom.
Sundance has shown that when push comes to shove, ELON has only limited control, and the SWAMP has him by the balls.
Nonetheless, i have faith in Elon.
He will find a way to break out of the chokehold the USG has on him.
Elon gave us SpaceX.
You’ve got to love the guy just for that.
Another government subsidized entity. DS.
Do you have a link to anything that proves SpaceX is any more subsidized than any other business?
Sure, the US govt is a very large customer, but don’t forget that his development of reuseable rockets has cut the cost of space travel by an order of magnitude or so and those costs continue to drop. He charges our govt much less than the Commies did to send our astronauts and satellites up, and also reduced the cost of private and academic space research, which will be of benefit to the whole planet (assuming, of course, that we don’t eradicate ourselves first.)
All while NASA continues to flush billions down the drain on single use rockets.
Perhaps when his internet service, Starlink, is fully operational, he will have also created his own hardware infrastructure to run it on. Then, not only will it be available to the whole world, but hopefully it will not be subject to government interference and control.
I hope that’s his long game.
Agreed.
Once the Starlink matrix is complete, i would not be surprised to see Twitter move OFF the AMAZON & GOOGLE CLOUD, and onto STARLINK for worldwide distribution.
All Elon would need to do that is a series of worldwide distributive server farms to balance the load.
Elon could build that independently.
No doubt the government will want to be involved, and no doubt Elon will let them be. For a Cost.
Hopefully, Elon will end up with more control over the new setup than he currently has with the old.
True.
If you want to look at companies that are deeply subsidized by the USG, then look no farther than GOOGLE.
Google operates on active, and retired military bases. Gets gobs of money. Does exactly what the USG says.
During the Obama years, it was said that Google had a full-time office in the WhiteHouse.
There are tons of companies that are deeply connected to the USG.
Why is it that everyone is having a hissy-fit over just ONE of them. (twitter)
And that ONE is in the midst of being moved to OUR SIDE of the political spectrum. Slowly, but surely.
Also a matter of FOCUS.
Some is intentionally encouraged, and some is “just the way it is”.
I see far too much focus on the FEDERAL Govt., AT THE EXPENCE of focusing on State Govts.
And, we focus too much on elected PUBLIC officials, at the expence of focusing on the ELECTED party officials that install them.
We are currently focusing all of our attention on the obvious public opinion influence of SOCIAL MEDIA, at the expence of the equally impactful ‘search engines’ manipulation of public opinion.
We focus on ballot stuffing, at the expence of voter suppression, and the various ways that the “uniparty strategy” of a controlled opposition false front of a “two party system” enables election fraud to take place.
As an example, think about the whole “gerrymandering” of districts, including lawsuits by the RNC/DNC, in light of UNIPARTY.
Just as with elections, obviously in every such lawsuit, the UNIPARTY wins; the result is exactly the result the manipulators intended, all along, which is to insure the U.S. House, just like the Senate, is CLOSE to 50/50, and that they have certain “reliably red” districts or States, in order to keep the RINOS in control.
Admittedly, there is so much to keep track of, and its easy to focus on ONE thing, like ballot stuffing, machines, voter I.D., or to focus on the FEDERAL Govt “swamp” and elected PUBLIC officials, and so ‘miss’ the underlieing realities that maintain the swamp.
There is so much election corruption, in all areas of the process these days.
But it has always been this way i think.
It certainly existed 30 years ago.
Back then, i was part of a Federal “Gerrymandering” Lawsuit.
I was an Independent at the time, having left the Republican Party over “Bush the Elder’s” lies about “Read My Lips, No New Taxes” promise, followed by his raising taxes 7 times in 6 months.
I was suing the Democrats, whose Gerrymandered Congressional Seat was supported by the ACLU, and the NAACP.
The suit took 3 years to end, but we kept winning, and finally won at the final appeals court in DC.
Rather than appeal their loss to the SCOTUS, the Dems “gave in”, and let the case go back to the State Court for review.
And how did it end?
The Dems and the Repubs got together (uniparty), and kept practically the exact same map, BUT SHIFTED ENOUGH NEIGHBORHOODS TO REMOVE ME AND MY FELLOW PLAINTIFFS FROM BEING AFFECTED, SO WE LOST OUR “STANDING”, and could not sue again.
So even though i WON IN COURT, in reality, my lawsuit only removed me and my neighborhood from being “gerrymandered.”
Everyone else was “legally” Gerrymandered.
Elon didn’t “give” us anything. It was all paid by the taxpayers.
And the money spent on SpaceX thru ELON was money well spent. He now launches and LANDS a rocket every 3 days.
Putting government satellites in the air that gives them more capacity and power to surveil and control the populace, at the expense of the very taxpayer who is being surveiled.
Nice gig!
Tell me how that feat enhances a disabled senior’s life.
Easily Fionnagh:
You typed your message above into your pc desktop, and a satellite transmitted your comment to a server around the world, and it popped up on this internet article.
Space-X is launching approximately 50 new satellites every week.
Satellites ARE THE INTERNET………..
Space-X rockets now fly our NASA Astronauts to the space station, which saves us over ONE BILLION dollars a year we were paying to the Russians.
And Space-X does all of that for PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR in comparison to what NASA used to cost us.
NASA gave us far less quality, and quantity than Space-X
Space-X can now LAND and RE-USE first stage rockets, which saves approximately 28 million dollars per launch.
NASA still cannot land a rocket, and the NASA Space Shuttles that DID land, would only launch and land ONCE PER YEAR, ON AVERAGE.
So Fionnagh, in conclusion, (i too am a disabled senior) Musk and Space-X saves money on things that the government was going to do anyway.
That saved money SHOULD BE USED TO STABILIZE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE………
But it won’t be.
All the money that Musk and Space-X saves us, is being wasted by the imposter-in-chief on his war in Ukraine.
But that is not Elon’s fault.
Have a good day.
Spot on. It was NASA tech that moved over to Space-Ex. Elon gave us nothing.
You are very much mistaken if that is what you believe.
I was present at the Cape when we lost the Challenger.
Saw it, up front, with my own eyes.
NASA is too anal-retentive to bulid things “on the fly” so to speak.
Elon and Space-X are constantly (QUICKLY RESPONDING) innovating.
Back in the 1960’s, i was a member of the original “L-5 SOCIETY”, whose goal was to design a SPACE STATION.
The Space Station used in the movie “2001 – A Space Odyssey” is based on the “L-5 SOCIETY” final design.
Our moto at the time was: NASA DESIGNS THINGS YOU “COULD LIVE IN” IN SPACE.
WHEREAS, THE L-5 SOCIETY DESIGNS THINGS YOU
“WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN” IN SPACE.
In todays world, SPACE-X operates much more akin to the L-5 SOCIETY model than to NASA.
and at 1/400th of the cost.
This part seems to get lost on so many elon haters who now want to claim space-x is some crazy deep state connected venture.
the facts tell a completely different story.
cost plus contracts PREFERRED BY NASA…an EXTREMELY POLITICALLY MANAGED AGENCY, has resulted in decades of delays to SLS and with cost overuns nearing 1 trillion dollars!
and the damned thing still does not fly.
raptor engines and large falcon flew successfully and was operational in record breaking schedules…reusable…and reliable and safe.
elon might be a really bad candidate for his inconsitency political views and how he is currently swerving twitter …against all expectations he would resist.
but space-x is doing something very differently and at a cost savings to tax payers that is impossible to ignore…and doing it at a pace that will have significant leaps forward to space exploration..which I believe is very important. We are all living in a continent right now, because other long before us, decided to take an adventure and find it.
God Bless America
Agreed.
And the adventure will hopefully continue.
Back to the Moon, and on to Mars.
One of my brothers was asked by the Air Force to become a Shuttle Payload Specialist, but he turned it down, as he had many kids, and didn’t want to take a chance on leaving them Fatherless.
I tell my Grandkids that they may some day go to the Moon, or Mars.
what? you really need to do a bit more research before you make that claim.
I get it…it’s let hate elon day…I understand…but lets not conflate the twitter political deep state connection that persists into space -x.
the evidence to the contrary of everything you claimed is easy to check. do that.
it’s like saying desaster is a complete deep state actor…and then leave out the fact that he’s been a pretty awesome governor for the state of florida…even with his failures and problems.
one thing does not make the other….generalizing and conflating is a radical left democrat foosball..we should try to refrain.
just saying
God Bless America
Agreed.
I love and support Desantis as Governor of Florida, but hate him for leaving early, and interfering with Trump’s hopeful re-election.
He should wait his turn.
“Nice rocket you got there, Mr. Musk. Be a shame to have it sit there gathering dust on its platform, just because you won’t play ball on another platform.”
Elon Musk is demonic.
Just curious: are you also a fan of Q?
no idea what “Q” is.
“Q” was 007’s boss.
lol.
Oh, please!
I believe in the tooth fairy. 🧚♀️
We ALL do.
When it comes to our kids…!
For a while, we all believe in Santa Claus too.
Who do you suppose gave it to Elon so he could give it to “us”?
Do you understand the spiritual warfare that has been going on since this psysical universal system that we live in was created.
The spiritual power that is being displayed before our very eyes is far,far,far greater than any psysical power that exists in the world today.
We have to be careful to align ourselves with the correct spiritual masters Because our choices will determine our destiny for eternity.
There is an old saying that “IT IS EASIER TO DESTROY, THAN TO BUILD.”
The SWAMP CREATURE has been growing, larger, and stronger every year for the last 70 years.
Despite the above OLD SAYING, it will NOT be EASY, or FAST, to destroy the swamp creature.
The SWAMP CREATURE is so “intertwined” into the body of our nation, that “blunt force” attempts to kill it would KILL the PATIENT (our nation) TOO………..
It will take PRECISE SURGERY to remove the swamp creature from the American Body.
At the beginning of this surgery 7 years ago, TRUMP was our SURGEON, and ELON was one of Trumps ASSISTING SURGICAL NURSES.
The “AMERICAN BODY” was strapped to the table, the SURGEON was operating, and the PATIENT (swamp creature) was threatening to the hurt the NURSES families if they didn’t stop helping with the surgery.
But, after 4 years of surgery, the SWAMP CREATURE managed to “remotely change the work schedule”, and “SUBSTITUTE ANOTHER SURGEON (biden)” for TRUMP, and the NURSE is still handing the SURGEON the instruments he asks for.
Only the NEW SURGEON is NOT trying to remove the swamp creature, but is trying to “HEAL ITS WOUNDS.”
Hopefully, thru MAGA, we can change back to the original surgical plan, remove the “fake” surgeon, and bring back our REAL SURGEON. (TRUMP)
If we can do that in 2024, then:
Have FAITH that the surgery will successfully save the body (of the USA).
Until then, PRAY for the surgical NURSING crew.
ELON is doing what he has to do to survive.
But he does so grudgingly.
Well put.
Yes, analogies, metaphores and compare/contrast are grrat rhetorical tools.
To hitchhike on Illurions narrative, I would suggest the surgery is more complex.
Think of a trauma victim, say motor vehicle accident.
Has essentially a crushed skull, broken ribs with punctured lung, penetrating injury to the abdomen (pierced with a piece of rebar when thrown from the vehicle) and a fractured pelvis with severed artery.
Each injury is immediately life threatening, ALL must be addressed, simultaneously if the patient is to be saved.
PDJT and his team are addressing the head injury, and as cheif surgeon he is also overseeing the chest injury.
That would be the DC swamp, and exposing the UNIPARTY so all can see.
The abdominal wound is the corruption of all STATE Governments, the pelvic fracture the State R party officials that enable all of the rest.
Every analogy breaks down at some point, as if “A” were exactly like “B”, it would be “B”.
My Point is, while such a task SEEMS impossible, trauma teams regularly encounter patients with multiple life threatening catastrophic injuries, and patients do end up walking out of the hospital.
Our task SEEMS daunting, even impossible, but it is NOT. WE, and even our grandchildren may not see the full recovery, but that doesn’t mean we should just pull the sheet over the victim and pronounce them dead,…not when they still have a heartbeat!
Exactly.
Rome wasn’t built in a day.
Nor could it be re-built in a day.
We need to carefully, patiently, move forward. Step by Step.
Keep the faith.
Don’t be distracted.
—so “entertwined” in the body of our world… There, fixed it for you.
Thanks
Begone e-lon.
If tweet-bird disappeared tonight, America would wake up in the morning and would keep on running.
The company is the tool of our communist enemies (foreign and domestic) who are trying to destroy us.
They deserve none of our compassion nor our $$.
Buy a ticket on Truth Social and ride on “The Good Guys” train ……… full steam ahead.
Twitter is merely a digital geek show. Also, a digital prostitution operation for it’s users (read: “followers”).
The only reason I’m still on it is that I joined in 2010 during my day trading fling. I use Gab.
The only thing that has gotten better since Musk took over is the community notes stuff….Ya gotta love the stuff…Government eyes or not.
Well,Kevin, someone is lying…
Joe wasn’t involved in the process, He has no idea what’s involved.
for those of us who do not use twitter, if twitter disappeared, we would not notice.
Exactly
I don’t post on Twitter but I do selectively read some specific people to know what being thought or pushed.
What’s Twitter?
A Federal government spy, disinformation, distraction, propaganda and narrative pushing tool disguised as a “social media platform”.
I’m on no social media .
At this point,I consider it dangerous.
I was on FB till the suppression of information started .
The only thing I miss about that is marketplace.
It’s also a tool for those who take the fight to the enemy, and those who wish to stay informed about enemy thought.
There’s a reason Sundance posts on Twitter.
Truth Socialism is the same, if not worse, than Twitter. TS just deletes your account w/out an explanation/warning vs Twitter who at least admits they are little fascists dictators.
Tree house is the only free speech platform thus far.
Not true.
I don’t think Treehouse is a free speech platform. Pretty sure I could post things that would get my posting privileges taken away.
See my comment above, to “B.K. and fellow keyboard warriors and treepers”.
Having your “posting priviledges taken away” is a function of Sundances assignment to ad-rem and team to enforce the site policies as outlined in the guidelines for posting.
The guidelines are there for all to read, are reasonable and judisciously “enforced”.
A whole seperate issue, and what i attempt to comment on in my earlier comment, is the behavior i admit i have engaged in, and even encouraged, and now regret.
I hope it will be considered, and pave a way forward for addressing the attacks by influencers, without ad hominem attacks, ‘raising’ the level of debate.
I disagree. one should not try and reimagine that free speech means ANYTHING GOES.
it NEVER MEANT that. ever. to anyone.
I’ve been here long enough to know that moderators take the responsibility very seriously..and when there is a decision to take down a post, it is done under very narrow filters.
does the post explicitly promote violence
does the post antagonize and attempt the assault the character of and the integrity of sundance and others that comment (which is very different, that say presenting a good argument for an opposing view, sans the virtiole)
does the post promote abject vile rhetoric or repeat cocked up bull corn
does the post follow a pattern of base trolling with no other purpose served
does the post make false claims…not simply ideas that are different, but provable false claims that attempt to sabotage (we DO HAVE anarchists who come to this site to create division and confusion over matters that are beyond just debate).
are the post hostile and mean towards others…ad hominem attacks or base name calling
for the MOST PART you are going to be very hard pressed to find a more liberal and open policy to debate just about everything you want to debate here..just understand that debate also means, you will find many people here who will have a response to it..taking sides is not the purpose of moderation and that is why it does not exist here. But putting in guardrails to prevent this website and our conversations from becoming a shithole, is a good thing. There is just too much important topics of discussion to allow this website to succumb to world wide jackassery.
free speech is never absolute in the real world.
Sundance, moderators and long time last refuge members have long recognized this…and we have affectionately referred to it as “grandmas rules”
think about your dinner table with your family.
it’s like that. in order to have a meaningful discussion…also means not allowing bullcorn and nutjobs or mean spirited and plainly awful post to be displayed. This is a family setting in that sense…one that has enough self pride and respect that while it is important to have open and honest discussions and debate…it’s not possible to do that responsibly or even effectively, if this place ends up like reddit, or quora, or even youtube or facebook, or twitter…where anything goes..or worse, becoming right think police.
and then there is this: The Last Refuge is obviously not a woke space. There is a decided conservative christian moral theme. because the people that built this place are that. This gives us a special and unique indentity..
One that I am most respectful and admire the most. That we can maintain our values and our sacred oaths in the interwebs is truly remarkable…and that we can do this and achieve the highest pinnacles of investigative journalism, is very very special. protecting that…is a rational and a moral duty.
these are only my opinions, based on many years participating in this discussion.
God Bless America
And let twitter go dormant.
Musk’s team surely saw the financials and everything else before the acquisition.
And predicted the course.
What were the real goals of all this?
Every event covered by media generates responses to collect, feeding the AI analytics intel (and counter-intel) machine.
This system is unlike anything in history, and growing more powerful.
Revelation 13, the second beast comes from the earth; silicon is the second most common element in the earth’s crust.
“Things are not what they seem” is a profound understatement now.
Correct Art. The sellers (Twitter Board) had a duty to disclose everything during the sale process / litigation phase. Elon could’ve given up and paid a $1B fee but he chose not to and moved forward with the closing.
I called Elon out on this on his platform and my public tweet magically disappeared.
Of course, it’s also possible this was not disclosed prior to close and when Elon found out they ‘made him an offer he could not refuse,’ Godfather style.
I suspect we’ll never know.
Sundance bringing the sunlight. I love it!
It feels like we are picking up speed as we MAGA along revealing the liars and decepticons.
See now why so many people want President Trump to return to Twitter? 🤣
Long live The Truth.
WTF?
Wtf what?
There are people who think President Trump should return to Twitter, or simply expect him to so so.
Elon would make a fortune in advertising if engagements went through the roof as a result.
I’m very happy Sundance is pouring buckets of sunlight on the lie that has always been Twitter. He has basically forced Elon to admit he never had control over content and his declarations of “free speech absolutism” was a crock of shit.
I totally get it.. Excuse me for being temporarily nauseous.
PS If you want the Truth go to Truth Social
It’s all good.
Elon needs to get back to work at Tesla. His twitter fiasco attempting to expose the corruption has come to an end. We appreciate the effort, and the data he provided really is priceless, but he needs to go back to making money. If that means his company becomes a lapdog of the gov – fine. We still at least know and can provide proof that it is pure censorship and propaganda from the gov.
I think he did a great service for the people. I also think his job is done at twitter and he needs to hand over the reins.
work at Tesla…………what’s that? conning more moola out of the government? BILLIONS so far Tesla is NOT a viable product
Elon doesn’t know jack about electric cars.
You mean the ones that frequently burn up?
We have a Tesla dealership in my town. When I saw as many as seven Teslas in a short trip around town doing errands, I thought they were test drives. No so. I see these cars everywhere, a number driving into our high school parking lot — teachers are paid VERY well. The majority of the drivers are female, as best I can tell.
What is the tax refund we taxpayers are shelling out for these?
FYI: Our nuclear power plant was closed due to an emergency shutdown (operator error) which performed perfectly. Public outcry (Chernobyl!) forced a permanent close. Fairly recently the coal-powered plant (with perfectly operating air cleaners) was also closed. We now depend on electricity from a nuclear plant about 100 miles away. Good luck, Tesla owners, during a shutdown.
OMG! WOW!
On vaca last week in Colorado. Lots of Teslas in the Springs area. Lots.
In this small corner of S/W British Columbia.
Teslas are commonplace…and I mean common place.
At a local grocery store parking lot there is something like 12 Tesla E.V. charging stations.
They are nearly always occupied, and have a line up waiting for a space.
Last year we bought a mint condition one owner 2003 Toyota Corolla of an individual that was was going to buy their families second Tesla.
Tesla owners are almost cult like in their adherence to the B.S.
Oh well!
Cheers!
Hypnotized sheep?
Accurate assessment!
All of whom are loud and proud too probably.
Yeah, and he’s just gonna cavalierly just up and walk away from a $40+ BILLION investment, probably leveraged in at least part, to open himself to lawsuits by investors? Like that’s gonna happen in our lifetimes!
And go back making money? Ain’t nothing he owns could survive without government assistance (tax breaks/incentives, grants, subsidies, contracts, seed monies, R&D).
When you take a hard look at it all, many industries are like that. The railroads, utilities, phone companies, big oil, big ag etc. Academia would die without government money.
A lot of good things would occur if we could stop the government subsidizing everything.
Academia died already. It’s been the Zombie Puppet part of Clownworld for quite a while.
Kay Emig: Yup. Academia is now just a government-funded grant program. Indoctrination. Propaganda. Central planning. That sort of thing.
Our government has destroyed the dollar, the party is coming to an end.
Excellent point
Thats the WHOLE IDEA; THEY take CONTROL of EVERYTHING.
Starting with the FDA, adding in Medicare/Medicaid, CDC, NIH and OBAMACARE, they took control of healthcare “used to call it MEDICINE” which gave them the cintrol, and power to exploit COVID in order to steal an election.
Controlling EVERYTHING means just that: THEY can do whatever they want, or so they believe.
WE shall see.
Why? Does he need more money? Can he not be satisfied with not being the richest person?
The media says “he is the richest person” to grab our attention.
How in the heck did Elon not see this before he sunk all of this money into this quagmire?
He either did see it; or he and his team failed to do ‘due diligence’ which is highly unlikely.
IMO Elon is leveraged heavily to the government and it would not surprise me if the government made him buy Twitter so that the government still had control over Twitter.
This x 100000
mspsgt: Whatever Musk saw or did not see will remain unknown. The whole thing is a gubmint operation.
One of the wealthiest business men with all his businesses and connections and he didn’t know any of this? So much for all his clamoring about free speech.
Yaccarino is an interesting hire. Although her employment history paints her as a committed Leftie, her social media posts do not conform to that picture. So… Perhaps she has set aside her personal convictions when functioning in a job. Perhaps she is a hired gun, as are many, say, advertising types. I have known some.
You knew she was a snake……..when you brought her in…
To paraphrase The Snake Poem.
“but we trusted that snake” quote from family whose child was killed by pet snake
Trump’s constant reminder to someone… Is it to us, or is it to the Clinton’s?
Time will tell…
Here’s the playbook in my opinion. Murdoch helps destroy fox news while Elon pretends twitter is the new bastion of free speech. Once fox news destruction is complete then Elon stops pretending twitter is free speech. End state: no more main stream conservative thought. Full on state run media.
I go to CTH website for Sundance’s articles and education. I go to Twitter for some laughs with Sundance and I get more o sight from his tweets… when Sundance moves off Twitter, so do I.
I hit GETTR for Bannon’s hits and Truth Social for my President Trump.
You are busy.
In the end – it is always about the “benjamins — $$$’s – ??’
In the end elon’s tied into the deep state new world order master race davos crew financially!!
President Trump is absolutely correct with his relationship with musk and these other cruds – use them to achieve his own agenda but “always trust but verify”!!
louis bailey: PDJT would do better for Americans by having nothing to do with all the creeps.
Yeah, he shouldn’t meet with or talk to Kim, Xi, Putin he just gives them credibility?
Gab has its own servers and infrastr ucture. Why can’t Twitter, with Elon’s money and its greater size, not do the same? Why can’t they do like Gab has done?
I believe it is two things that Keep Elon and Twitter floating. He can’t do anything about either. One is blackmail and the other is Two BIG contracts.
I personally have never been impressed with social media and FB is the largest data pool on the families of the USA that could ever have been created. I’m certain that the next Census will take place using FB as one of the data gathering methods. LOL
Well, FB is a descendant of DARPA’s LifeLog app. What do you expect? The day after LifeLog shut down was when FB started. Coincidence? I think not! FB is merely a continuation of LL.
They can, once they get out or finish their contracts with AWS & Google Cloud as clearly stated by Sundance in this article.
I was thinking the same thing. The only social media site that uses its own servers.
The only 100% free speech site out there.
Because Elon relies on the governments green agenda for his vehicles, and government permission for his rockets/satellites!
Where does the govt get the money to subsidize any cloud based services and who approves those funds? The US taxpayers via Congress. Demand accountability
CIA, DHS most likely
And DoD & State Dept also.
In case you were wondering where all that Ukraine money is going…..
Kevin did not hold out for anything that would keep our hard earned money out of the government’s hands. We pay until one day we all just will stand in line for a loaf of bread and pray for rain.
They print it on our backs.
Funded with dirty money. CIA own the Mexican drug cartels. People die like this because of the CIA
Aided by the CIA. Not a single drug crosses the border without the CIA’s permission.
Face of America everyone should be aware of. Hard to watch, but TY.
They print it. As far as AWS goes, CIA gave them a huge contract in 2012(?) to get started as a cloud based service. Could even be black budget money from their drug and human trafficking operations.
Remember the 600.00$ hammers invoiced by the pentagon in the 80’s?
Jaccarino is the latest jack in the box.
Elon doesn’t know jack.
Don’t forget that government control was much vaster than just Twitter. As the Missouri AG proved, Google and Amazon are also under government’s thumb.
So being beholden to them keeps Twitter under the government thumb.
Also, that one asset, the software, is a censorship and propaganda machine. It is built to censor us ‘six ways to Sunday’ and more. And it is built to propagandize. Until he has that changed, he is simply lying about being anticensorship. And having to check each post for a score or more censorship methods has got to vastly expand operating costs, so there is a massive impetus to ditch the censorship.
Poor baby Musk. Yeah, I see now what I saw when he first made an offer to buy.
So why did the idiot sign up for this if the business wasnt viable? Not knowing the scope of what he was getting into doesnt cut it. More reason not to purchase site unseen. Nothing has changed except now we are giving globalists a pass for what they do. Lets give Kevin McCarthy a pass too while were at it. The Democrats made him do it. And Im glad to hear Tucker and Musk were only trying to help each other. I was beginning to worry.
The visibility you provide on behind the curtain detail and operations is simply outstanding. Thank you, Sundance. The figures add a clarity that complete the circle. It begs the question, “Why would Musk embrace such a tar baby?”
Ego satiation.
Musk always has option #3 available – Shut down government mouthpieces and their media apparatchiks.
How about Musk reveal the truth to the American people? He could reveal the wicked games that the government is up to.
The coding required to offsite Twitter would be too immense. Would be cheaper to rebuild but would take 5 years and heavy investment. less if you program with AI “hey siri, source Twitter code and duplicate on TRUTH servers – do it in under 24 hours”. Possible?
it would just hallucinate in a different way…so not much change.
So Twitter is halfway thru both contracts. That’s 750 million $$$$ still owed for services, plus $70m in arrears.
I’d also go back thru the Twitter books and find the income source that is now missing. Since Twitter is still censoring it should be getting those payments. 🙄
What good is being a billionaire with influence if you can’t pay your bills? /s
Still takes money. So, either he has a lot cash just laying around, which I doubt he does, or at least enough, to cover the outflow of monthly expenses; OR, he has to use ‘bank’ credit that likely has some form of DEI/ESG woke credit scoring system to get access to funding.
And those ‘scores’ require all kind of nasty conditions to get the funding.
^^^^^^
Musk would have been better off taking the billions he shelled out for Twitter and instead used it to build super-safe spaces for the liberal masses in a far-away place like pehaps, the star system Alfa Centuria….Go where no he/her/they/you’s/ we’s/thy’s/ have gone before and (This is the important part)… returned safely.
Ah, the “Douglas Adams” solution, of the Golifachians (?).
SAY there is some horrible calamity about to befall earth.
Bulid huge spaceships, and load all the overeducated idiot, useless people like “telephone sanitisers, etc. in them.
Assuring them “we are right behind them”, shoot them off to a far corner of the galaxy.
In “mission accomplished” fashion, sit back and have a cold one, cause “problem solved”
2 weeks later a novel infection, spread by unsanitised telephones as it turns out, wipes out the population.
“Don’t Panic”, lol
And the failure of twitter will be attributed to the strength of the blue checks that left. Not the fact that the USG has Twitter in a chokehold (through AWS/Google cloud service, Space X, and Tesla) and it looks like Elons arms are starting to go limp.
Twitter is getting money from DeSantis, it seems.
Interesting little experiment he did, but I think the 2 tweets should have been worded the same and even then I’m not sure what accurate conclusions you could actually make from the results.
Anyway, it does show interference. Are they hiding tweets with the words “woke virus”?
So much for free speech.
You cross the Globalists/Government/Big Tech and they will retaliate six ways to Sunday. Contracts can be enforced or re-negotiated.
Right where the deep state censors want politicians and businesses that control information.
Noticed the confirmation that Twitter was using AWS and it was CIA created (through contract) and ‘controlled.’ I believe the wording used by SunnyD is (CIA) “…..becomes the PRIMARY CONTROL LEVER for rules and guidelines on content …..”
I remember some little ‘birdie’ making that connection and exclamation a while back and got blown off and/or chided about it.
He he he he he! Last laugh is always so fulfilling.
You’ll never see social media pull out of any country because it exists to monitor and collect intel on those countries. The mindless prattling of the subscribers is just cover for the real work being done.
I don’t believe that Musk is a lightweight or a fool, and yet I can’t see any way that he benefits financially or any purpose that he fulfills with his takeover of Twitter. Luckily, it’s a puzzle doesn’t need to be solved.
2 questions. The fitst has been asked several times. Sorry if I haven’t seen answers/replies.
1. Given his apparent. business acumen, how did Musk not see this quicksand he was stepping into? And if he did, why would he want the headaches? Did the gubmint realize they needed some pressure release valve for the ackonwledged discontent so they let Musk have it? Or maybe, they had/have Musk by the short hairs with Tesla that they “encouraged” him to take it. Maybe Jack just wanted out of the coffee shop.
2. If Truth Social is more freely run, what are the equivalent of, “Twitter operates on Amazon Web Services (AWS) cloud, and Google Cloud” for them?
Answer: short hairs.
Good questions.
It’s easy- don’t use Twitter.
If everyone knows it’s manipulated by government then there should be no reason to use it.
But addicts need to want to work at not being addicts. My family has a long history of addiction- I know it when I see it because I’ve either lived with it myself, have others I love suffer from it, or have seen it since I was a wee lad.
Addiction.
I don’t use Twitter directly but read the excerpts here and on other Substack sites. I lead a full life without Twitter or Facebook.
This is the tip of the answer. Everyone getting off of every single platform will go a long way to fixing things.
I know people will say that they use it for other things etc etc. but the important part about everyone being off socials is that it takes the information of our lives out of the hands of evil.
By doing this it will create a boom in commercial real estate as stores will need to go back to brick and mortar since nobody is using online services and advertising links any longer.
I think, if people are serious about freeing ourselves from this evil, getting rid of all socials is paramount. If you’re worried about missing out on important news then you can still go to your favorite news sites like CTH. Just don’t use social media. I couldn’t be more proud of myself for getting off all socials in 2012 before we knew about the evil we are up against. And quite frankly it appears that was even before the leviathan had actually been created as what we see today. So my footprint is nearly obsolete due to the outdated data from that time frame.
Never been on twatter, faceplant or “socials” but I wonder, is CTH and this comment section some version of a “social”?
The comment section certainly can be addictive, I can attest to that, and it is AT RISK of developing the same kind of “information bubble” that Social media knowingly exploit.
They KNOW that people frequent sites that confirm their world view, and vector away from sites that contradict or question their view.
Hence, since keeping and expanding both the # of viewers, and the time they spend on the site is key to their revenue stream, they use the data they collect, to herd people into different bubbles, much like a sheep herder, seperating the flock.
as one sheep to another, just,..ruminating lol.
Great point, as I have also had great familiarity with addiction; addicts aren’t ACTUALLY addicted to heroin, mj, sex, workaholic, etc.
They are addicted to the cocktail of ENDORPHINES (Dopamine, Adrenaline, etc.) which those substances /,behaviors trigger the release of.
Things which “naturally” trigger such a release, are linked to behaviors or actions which contribute to positive self esteem, like accomplishments.
The scene in “castaway” when tom hanks finally starts a fire, he is “riding high” on a rush of dopamine/adrenaline.
Hence, those with self-esteem “issues” are the ones most prone to succumbing to finding artificial ways to fill the void, aka addiction.
Social media is, quite intentionally designed to exploit this, as are video games. Research shows both the person who clics “like” and the person who posted the “liked” comment, get a dopamine surge.
And, every time you kill a bad guy, or adcend to the next level in a video game, that being an “accomplishment” you get a “high” from the dopamine/adrenaline boost.
BTW, research shows petting a dig or cat, gives both the petter and the petted a major dopamine boost, ..
Maybe thats why pet food is going up do much in price, cause social media doesn’t like the competition, lol.
I just found that out….well, not really. I spent the last few months back on Twitter after being banned by Jack Dorsey 5yrs ago, it was all about Trump, Jack purged millions upon millions of Trump supporters, I watched it happen, I kept many bookmarks of friends that went away. So after recently being granted access to my account again, it only lasted a few months, as soon as the Trump memes went up and the anti Obama memes, they hit me again….I knew what it was, sabotage by his employees, it had all the earmarks of the bratty kiddies! They only referred to ‘hate speech because you mentioned Obama should be hanged for treason’….which is what they said was the reason for the purge.
In my opinion, Twitter is the same machine it was when Jack purged millions of Trump supporters for no other reason other than they loved Trump and couldn’t stand Obama treason.
Doubtful that Elon Musk knows anything about the sabotage! These little brat demons are everywhere, they are lurking on all social media ready to attack anyone who dislikes what they stand for—this WILL end, and I feel SOON, because the kiddies are mostly unemployed today. Keep praying.The evil is still active.
It was all vacuous marketing to attract investors. There is no ‘there’ there.
Just wait until Yaccarino gets into the saddle.
William Gaynor: Ugh! I don’t even want to think about that mental picture.
Don’t cry for Elon. He is trying to play both ends against the middle. He always HAS been. I’ve said it for a long time, and now say it again: Musk is not your friend.
He’s a RNA vaccine-pushing transhumanist and climate change scammer. In the best case, he’s just dense. Certainly, he’s devoid of conservative values.
Also he probably acquired Twitter as part of his aim to take more control of US politics via DeSantis.
Reality Check: Reality, confirmed.
Fair Warning: Avoid TWTR
What SD says about the ownership of cloud-based systems, defines why I will not store backups, or passwords, or even photos and music, in the cloud. “The cloud is just someone else’s computer”. My string of SSDs is mine and can be unplugged at will.
Musk had better be buying “real iron,” and lots of it, very soon.
Twitter Founder Wants to ‘Splinter’ All Gov’t Intel Agencies, Attaches Haunting Pic with Plea
By Johnathan Jones
26 May 2023
https://www.westernjournal.com/twitter-founder-wants-splinter-govt-intel-agencies-attaches-haunting-pic-plea
Day late, dollar short!
Seems ‘free speech absolutist’ and ‘like we had any choice’ don’t quite reconcile.
Most billionaires are tied at the cord of government, in any country. Not truly independently wealthy. Trump is close, but with so much government control added over the years, independent wealth is a thing of the past.
There are many ways for the govt to pick winners and losers, especially when they have a national interest concern. One can be assured that the large tech companies number among them
No bid contracts, cash payments, grants, bonds, tariffs, low interest loans, loans with no penalty for default, accelerated depreciation, production subsidies, import export subsidies, employment subsidies, industry specific subsidies, price control, price manipulation, stocks, stock manipulation, infrastructure.
For sure.
He uses Truth to get his message out. No censoring and Truth gets advertising revenue.
Something that’s not been mentioned here is the fact that musk owns and is developing his own supercomputing platform in a super compact element that you can hold in your hand. I do believe that he will string out Google and AWS to the end of the contracts trying to stretch out the dollars as much as possible and skate as much censorship requests as possible although they do control him right now, and then in a Brash move move all of the Twitter code to a newly developed network operations center at one of his currently defunct facilities possibly the California facility that he moved to texas? Perhaps not because the power considerations will be something considerable but it might be surprising with this new platform that’s been developed that the power considerations might be much much less than expected I’m going to look for a link about the supercomputing platform that’s been developed I’m not sure if it was Tesla or SpaceX that’s developed the platform but I do remember reading quite a bit about it about 6 months ago. If anybody knows about this and has Links at the ready, please post I’m going to start to search for it right now. And God bless all of you on this Memorial Day and if there’s anybody in your family that’s been lost to service of this country, thank you so much and God bless you as you remember and pray for your lost loved one.
Just live your best life we will never be in control the USA is controlled by a corporatocracy of Oligarchs. Banking Big Pharma Big Tech Military Industrial Complex etc…. Lawyers… They do not have our best interest @ heart bet on it. Why trillions of $$ to steal from taxes.
Information like this is why I read here .
Spot on again Sundance!
I’m always intrigued when Sundance lines up on a target. Lot of moving pieces in this one, I think his assessment might be a little different in a few weeks. President Trump should be back on Twitter in under a month. Game changer. Musk can afford a million dollars a day to pay Amazon and Google. That ain’t going to break him. He chose not to fight Turkey, but it looks like he’s ready to fight the EU. Just told them to pound sand. I imagine the computer code at Twitter is compromised in a zillion different ways. That’s probably what Yoel Roth and company spent all day doing for years and years. Embedding all sorts of things. Software is the greatest foreign language challenge of all time. Most people will never be able to decipher it. Look at voting machines. Loaded with things that are very slick and virtually impossible detect except with Incredible effort by incredible people. I have a different read on Musk. I think he’s amazing. He’s a smart guy, and one of the few really smart guys pushing mankind forward instead of feasting on what others have already done. Wish there were more like him.
Trump isn’t ever going back to Twitter after dumping a ton of money into his own platform. Twitter still bans content and Trump won’t let them do that to him again to get headlines.
Watch. It is reported his exclusive with Truth runs out the third week of June. And he’s dying to sit down and do a Twitter space with Elon
Interesting 🤔
He might briefly just for the extra exposure during campaign season. I could definitely see him doing it briefly.
But overall he’s not going to frequent that site when he has a direct competing site of his own. But advertising is super valuable in elections. So in order to reach that last little nugget of voters I could see him dropping in for a minute.
It’s not a last little nugget. It’s nearly 100 million people
strfkr,
Respectfully, its not really incomprehensible or magic, with regard to the voting machines.
Dominion et al fought SO HARD, to prevent anyone getting access to the machines, because once you actually gain access, it IS quite possible to sort out EXACTLY what is inside, which we have now done, BECAUSE despite their best efforts, we DID get access.
Hence the call for “open source” coding; so that everyone can SEE exactly whats going on, not judt with voting machines, but all computing.
IIRC, Musk early on said he INTENDED to make thectwitter algorythms “open” and I suspect we will never see that!
Either it was a knowingly empty promise, like Kevins “Promises made, promises broken” campaign for Speaker, or he really MEANT it, and now realises its impossible, who knows.
Dutch
Go back up thread and see my reply/analysis and give me an honest answer.
I value your judgment!
Whether by choice or not, Elon Musk might still serve the cause of free speech via a globally examined bankruptcy that (despite whatever the official media story) reveals to the casual user internet-enabled services the power structures that own, operate, and control access to and through the underlying infrastructure.
For sure, some will pivot from that revelation to embrace UN internet governance, claiming that it’s better for the rules (however limiting to personal liberties) to be codified and understood by all.
But it would also be the wake-up call to all who casually assume liberty is assured, that anything global or networked is going to involve controllers whose agendas will not include individual or national sovereignty.
Caveat: this post contains a liberal amount of Hopeium, and should only be consumed with equal amounts of prayer for the hoped for outcome.
O’bummer gave away our internet ownership to the international community.
True
Elon claimed to be championing free speech when he bought twitter.
This does not reconcile.
This link shows that Tesla has already taken the DOJO Chip into a Super Computing platform.
https://electrek.co/2022/10/01/tesla-dojo-supercomputer-tripped-power-grid/
This link outlines the chip itself…
https://electrek.co/2021/08/20/tesla-dojo-supercomputer-worlds-new-most-powerful-ai-training-machine/
There is next to NOTHING about it on Tesla’s site other than a 1 paragraph citation about the Dojo Chip.
Surely they are keeping things somewhat under wraps until they fully unveil it and I suspect this was Elon’s secondary quest for TWATTER!
So that he had a platform to test the Dojo Supercomputing Platform on.
I suspect, and I am just speculating, and have no basis for knowing anything about this, but it just is making common sense to me after reading the predicament Twitter is in with these contracts they have with Google and AWS , that Elon tossing his own hardware platform at TWATTER (I effing hate twitter sorry) and making it an independent player in this social media game would be a HUGE COUP!
Good luck Elon I hope you are able to finagle things to your advantage and pry TWATTER out from under the deep state.
God bless all you Vets on Memorial Day.
I have to go roust up my two kids now to get on the Parade line by 10:30 so we can show our respect for the Vets.
Lip Lip Lip
Here is the proof of allegations that Elon Musk is demonic or a satan worshipper, he wore the upside down cross
https://simonmercieca.com/2022/11/30/elon-musk-and-how-through-ai-they-are-summoning-the-demon/
Elon has spoken out about AI and the dangers of it MANY times.
He has also said in quite a few interviews, “I AM PRO HUMAN”
If you ask me, the Halloween get up with him and his Mom dressed like that are the two of them MOCKING THE SATANISTS!!
I could be wrong but in one of the videos I have watched with him, he almost admitted he was a Christian.
He skated around the issue and surely I will not be able to find the exact interview, as there have been so many since I saw that, but he uses the “Summoning the Demon” as a WARNING about AI.
There is a reason he left OpenAI, he thinks the Artificial Intelligence is DANGEROUS and he was one of the people that signed on to that document with a bunch of other scientists wanting a six month pause on AI dev about 2 months back.
Wasn’t he??
Lip Lip Lip
Had to re up the little thumb, it was surprisingly only at my 1, and that was gone just coming back on here and seeing it on 0 again
Anyway, thanks for this, definitely looking at a long goal –
“But more specifically, Tesla needs … to develop its own supercomputer to deliver that power.
That’s the short-term goal, but Tesla will have plenty of use for the supercomputer going forward as it has big ambitions to develop other artificial intelligence programs.”
Seems acquiring Twitter was to expose their files, past present and future.
Keeping in mind I am way out of the loop, the end goal seems to be AI without outside interference, govt or otherwise
Keep keeping those enemies close, Elon
No company should voluntarily disable services in countries that they have no physical presence in. You are under no obligation to follow the laws of a country you are not physically operating in.
If a government wants to censor the internet, force them to do it publicly. Don’t self-censor your service and allow the gov to hide behind the idea of being a free country. Force them to build a nation-wide firewall like China, and force them to reap whatever public backlash results from doing so.
YES! 1000x, yes!
Standout video with Mike Adams re: Musk. Watch to the end. Superb compilation of what he really is about.
Also notice his carefully curated speech patterns, his hesitations, his stutters, hand on his chin to make you think he is a boy genius when he is stumped.. He’s camouflaging his uncertainty and lack of knowledge to make himself appear brilliant. He only speaks in generalities, nothing specific and doesn’t tell us anything of substance that we already do not know. Judge for yourself.
https://www.brighteon.com/ba285cd3-fcdf-4a6f-b55e-79a02f18695c
Scary as 💩.
Yep. Elon Musk is full of himself, a liar and a fraud.
Per SD above:
“One, to comply with the demand and block or restrict the user content (which is the direction they have taken); or two, stop allowing the platform to operate in the country demanding the censorship.” (Like Rumble ^)
Walt, I see that as a 3rd option then, right? If Musk were to pick that option, I guess revenue takes a hit and then would his fedtechs even go along with that?
Love this kind of issue, even though I’m slow to understand. 😃
The government of Turkey (Erdogan) has done just that in the past. Somewhere around 2013-2014 IIRC, Erdogan blocked youtube and I think Twitter also, because of some recording that got leaked and published on those media. Or somethi9ng. I was in an international music forum at the time and that was the only way I could (more or less) keep up with a small group of Turkish friends. (I was stationed in Turkey for two years early in my Air Force career.) A lot of things should not be, but they are, sad to say.
The people of Turkey, should already know Erdogan is a jerk and should not be voting for him!
It’s like saying “The people of America should already know Biden is a jerk and should not be voting for him!”
The same systems and players operate in Turkey who operate here.
Too late.
You act like voting actually counts… Anywhere.
Does anyones vote count anymore? “It’s not the votes that count but those who count the votes…”
Oh, please— here we go again with the delusion that voting is pristine and people actually get to choose their leaders.
Aren’t we over that yet?
People have a hard time getting their heads around Uniparty control and operations. They really struggle that “our” elections mean next to nothing.
Cool of your heels..friskycat…VIVA ERDOGAN !!!!!!
Walt, regarding your statement: “You are under no obligation to follow the laws of a country you are not physically operating in,” because of certain treaties, physical presence is not necessarily a prerequisite for legal jurisdiction. If Rumble refused to comply, France could either build their own firewall, as you suggest, OR take legal action against Rumble via various process treaties. Looking at it the other way around, I once wrote a successful lawsuit in federal court by a US company against a company in (ironically) France, where the French company’s negligence occurred in China. We hired an attorney in Paris and, through him, we served process on the company via a treaty and some tricky French law. The U.S. federal judge kept ruling in our favor. This led to a half million dollar settlement.
“No company should voluntarily disable services in countries that they have no physical presence in. You are under no obligation to follow the laws of a country you are not physically operating in.
If a government wants to censor the internet, force them to do it publicly. “
Twitter is not a “company”. Monopolies like Twitter and Facebook operate above government. The globalists who control these fascist monoplies tell government what to do – not the other way around.
Unfortunately we live in a time when such idealism as what you outlined, has gone out of style.
As another astute reader wrote on this thread, can anyone (including Sundance) figure out why Elon bought Twitter in the first place?
It makes no sense on any level, especially financial.
And it’s not like Elon even wants to be some principled knight in shining armor.