Last night I participated in a conversation. This article is written as an outcome of that conversation, as requested by those who participated.
Essentially, the framework of the conversation, as I initially listened, is best described as a series of questions amid a group of smart intellectual types who are very understanding of the nature of our current situation.
In various forms they were asking each other the same question. What happened in the last several years that caused Democrats, leftists and the traditional political left to switch positions on their advocacy?
Liberalism literally went from railing against Big Govt, to embracing corrupt Big Govt. Why and how did this happen?
In short, it was the same line of questioning I have seen asked by Tucker Carlson, Glenn Greenwald, Tulsi Gabbard and various traditionally liberal people as well as people on the right side of the continuum.
Why and how did traditional liberalism so suddenly flip from being, big picture – ‘anti-government’, to suddenly embracing corrupt government enterprise, and supporting the intelligence apparatus, federal govt (writ large), institutional oppressive law enforcement and FBI etc.? What happened?
After listening to this conversation quietly, as I am prone to do, my remarks -with citations and examples- silenced the room.
At the conclusion of my remarks, everyone asked me if I had ever written about this, and if not – why not? I did not have an answer, so consider this a promise fulfilled. Perhaps you might find value.
In the 50 years that preceded 2008, traditional leftists, media activists, left-wing community organizing agencies, Democrats, liberals, progressives, or whatever label you want to assign, essentially railed against the U.S. government and all that it represented. However, now, if you were to look at the issues from the 30,000-foot perspective, those same groups currently support the oppressive & weaponized system of government they formerly despised.
In the 50 years that preceded 2008, those same groups had an approach of distrust toward government, and the media apparatus had a very distinct supportive and cynical outlook, favorable to the leftist anti-government perspective. Now, all of that has reversed – seemingly flipped.
In the 50 years that preceded 2008, media pushed a one-way narrative in defense of those who were “targeted” by the institutions and mechanisms of government. As the activists railed against the regime, the media framed narratives to excuse the transparently guilty. Now, that entire dynamic has reversed. Now we see the media pushing a narrative in support of weaponized government targeting, and – here’s the kicker – framing the transparently innocent.
The activists went from accusing government of wrongdoing and defending the transparently guilty – to aligning with government, excusing government wrongdoing, and helping to attack the transparently innocent.
As some continue to say with jaw agape, WTF happened?
The answer “why” is not complicated…. not complicated at all.
In 2008, the ‘activists’ took control of government.
In January of 2009, the leftists, community organizers and activists took control of the systems they had opposed for the preceding 50+ years.
In January of 2009, and inflection point took place; an inflection point that no one realized in forethought, scale or consequence.
Starting in 2009, all of the systems of federal government were now under the control of the people who previously fought against the systems of federal government. Everything since is an outcome of that inflection point; that’s why everything flipped.
All of it, and I do mean every scintilla of the thing; every single granular detail and example you can put in front of me can be traced back to that moment when the activists were no longer outside government railing against the corrupt system they hated.
Starting in January of 2009, the activists took power over the United States government, and every outside institution, including media, necessarily and ideologically followed that inversion.
Starting in 2009, the systems and institutions of the U.S government now came under the control of the radical activists.
In the eight years that followed, the mission of every institution was changed. Government was weaponized on behalf of the leftist activists who now took control of it. Everything thereafter is a consequence of this change.
When I use the word “suddenly”, it is only for understanding the inflections point that came as a consequence. In actuality, the severity of change inside each institution took place over several years. That’s why the intensity of the weaponized and corrupt systems became worse over time.
As each institution was infiltrated to become more aligned with the mindset of the activists, the institutions became more radical in their targeting and weaponization.
The activists went from being outside government to being inside government.
Suddenly, the left-wing supportive media changed mission priority from railing against corrupt government, to defending the corrupt weaponization of govt.
Suddenly, the FBI went from targeting domestic threats, to targeting only the domestic threats defined as against the interests of the left-wing activists.
Suddenly, the outside activists went from being defined as social elements creating turmoil, to social elements now being defended and even promoted.
This is why we see outside activist groups like the Dream Defenders, New Black Panthers, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street and more recently ANTIFA, as protected and supported by the activists inside government now in control of the systems and institutions.
All of the social, cultural and political dynamics that changed traditional “liberalism” are easily understood once you realize and accept that activists took control of the power centers of the U.S. government.
Everything that followed, including our current state of social and political turmoil, is simply a natural conclusion of that fundamental change.
The radical activists are now in control of the institutions of power. This core shift is what created the dynamic of a very visible two-tiered justice system. Each institution was weaponized and continues to be weaponized against those who are not aligned with the activist ideology.
The Dept of Justice has been weaponized against people who are not in alignment with the radicals.
The federal police, known as the FBI, have been weaponized against We The People.
The Intelligence Community is now under the control of the radical activists. The mission priorities change accordingly.
When Tucker Carlson, Glenn Greenwald, Tulsi Gabbard or any other person posits the question about ‘why’ the ideology of the left and media has shifted so suddenly, there is your answer.
It is not a complicated understanding. Once you accept this fundamental change took place, everything seemingly falls into place….
…. At least that’s what the “ah-ha” audience told me.
When did they change? When the baby boomers took over the government.
I remember back in the 90s Rush Limbaugh had a television show. And one of the video clips of the secretary commerces funeral a liberal is complaining as a military fly over occurs. Rush pointed out that one of the other officials at the funeral leaned into the person, complaining and said those are planes now.
January 1993, inauguration of Slick Willy. The actor Ron Silver was irate at an Air Force flyover when an individual told him “Calm down, they’re our planes now.”.
Liberalism is one thing but to change into absolute demons (radical) is another. Seems dems in govt. must have always been demons and now with the power have become far worse. I also believe “this change” with our govt. has been allowed to happen by yet another group of very wealthy people who control “banks” and big global corporations. They are allowing the govt. to do the dirty work so that they can implement their plan of tearing down the worlds financial systems…..why….because they stole all the money and can not pay the worlds debts. They want to put a system in place where they still control the assets and power. They will conveniently throw the politicians under the bus and blame them for all the debt created. But as you have said…the politicians were not creating bills or budgets ….the wealthy and powerful (bank elites,corporate elites) were creating the policies.
Also forgot to mention “their” genocidal vaccines. How does big Pharma play into this……they have been controlling govt. for longer than 2008. Barrack entered the scene then with a set of instructions from the WEF??? I am still stumped on the word radical….To me this is beyond radical.
All roads lead to Kenya.
Yep, it’s been obvious for a while and I’m surprised the “intellectuals” didn’t realize it.
I’ll go further here and say that the activists fall into two categories: 1) racialists and 2) ideologues of the left.
The two groups will battle it out once at least one of them realized the primary goal of their group is not the primary goal of the other.
Unless, of course, some reasonable Americans can get rid of both. But that’s not going to be done in a short time.
It all began 30 years ago with the Clintons when the government started coopting everything through Government Subsidies via Printed Government Fiat (Fake) Money. They also eliminated any Conflict of Interest Torts which opened the Revolving Door for everyone to get in bed with each other. A corrupt generation, just like the Bible teaches.
When Nixon was strong-armed by Kissinger to relieve the US dollar from gold? Yes.
Kissinger’s 100 birthday is today.
Wow. How’d he DO that?
True, the older generation should have known integrity is optional. They opened the door for their spoiled brat kids who took the ball and ran like the demons they are.
Only the good die young.
Indeed!
He must know all the right people, would be my guess.
Or Adrenochrome? Just asking…
His most recent photo looks just like Mephistopheles himself.
The Arabs were demanding that their oil be paid in gold, not currency, and it was being depleted. Kissing thereafter created the petrodollar.
Too scared to die.
He knows what awaits him.
I’ve heard that they needed money to pay for the Vietnam War.
When the currency is no longer backed by gold, you can print as much as you need.
Frankly, I think the Treasury should be contacting the folks at Charmin to find out how to make dollars soft and absorbent so they’ll still have some use.
In one of his first acts as President, FDR made ownership of gold illegal except for gold with numismatic value. The government paid people 20.67 an ounce for their gold, then raised the price of gold to 50.00 an ounce and the government had all the money it needed, courtesy of the citizens. Robbery, pure and simple and of course the Supreme Court did nothing about it. Sound familiar?
Thanks for the laugh re Charmin. Needed it after 5 pages of depressing comments
I’m not sure it’s a blessing
Investigation Claims Henry Kissinger Is Responsible For 3 Million Civilian Deaths
https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/investigation-claims-henry-kissinger-is-responsible-for-3-million-civilian-deaths
Excerpt:
“In a newly released report on an investigation by The Intercept, there are claims that Henry Kissinger is responsible for 3 million civilian (slave class) deaths. The former United States diplomat’s actions have left a trail of dead people behind him.
Kissinger is no friend to humanity. He is one of the masters desperately trying to keep the slaves from figuring out what’s really going on so he can maintain power and control. He infamously said: “If you control the food, you control a nation. If you control the energy, you control a region. If you control the money, you control the world.”
Kissinger, who was the foreign policy eminence grise who has advised half a dozen U.S. presidents, has caused the deaths of over 3 million people, according to an Intercept report published Tuesday to mark the realpolitik strategist’s 100th birthday, according to a report by RT.
In all likelihood, he is probably responsible for far more deaths than that. The ruling class doesn’t care at all about the slave class and it has become overly apparent.”
Goes back farther than that.
Intellectuals often don’t pay much attention to reality.
That’s why they are so often shocked when their models fail.
^^^This!!^^^
Their model is not falling at the moment, is it?
They told the Radical Hippie groups in the 60’s and 70’s instead of fighting the “ The Man” from outside, join the Government and change from the inside.
And they did … and we let it happen!
FUNDAMENTAL change
B-Rack said he was going to fundamentally change the U.S. and he did. He was the end game of 100 years of slow leftist infiltration of the levers of American education ,media and con-gress.
B-Rack was engaged in operation many years before. See my link to SD’s extraordinary post below.
Correct. If you haven’t ever watched it…very prescient:
Obama’s America, by Dinesh D’Souza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SLa-poeHY4&ab_channel=YouTubeMovies
And we can go back to
Lincoln, the Illinois attorney for the Transcontinental Railroad, Grant, and Lincoln’s eventual execution when he was no longer useful.
Voila, Andrew Johnson.
Tempted to watch this, but I cannot stand O’bummer’s voice.
Yes. He won.
Well duh, we all knew it. He promised fundamental transformation and he delivered.
Sundance I can hear and feel your frustration.
Do believe there was some type of disconnect with what is/was morally right and what isn’t sometime after the 80s…Wish I could pinpoint it, but it is almost like there was something in the water, air or ???
Seems that there is no right or wrong anymore unless the finger is being pointed at the side or people you are defending.
We are seeing it not with just politicians, but people all over the country, even those that say they are a Christian church going person.
Do believe part of it lays with the over abundance of things that people and even children Must have that really are not part of every day survival.. Over 50% of Americans so far in debt that they can barely pay their monthly bills. However its these same people that still get that $7 daily latte, designer shoes, designer cloths, designer cell phones and the list goes on. .
So not only is Country’s Debt Ceiling broken but so is the debt ceiling of most Americans, along with justified morals code of too many Americans
These are just the frustrated feelings of an old lady that should be enjoying her retirement, but really just wants to say Lord Beam Me UP!!!!
Bless you, darlin’!
The moral corruption began longer ago.
The 1920’s were a time of great moral corruption.
Booze, drugs, promiscuity, youth rebellion, hypocrisy of many adults, organized crime, going into debt.
Lots of immorality going way back more than a hundred years.
You left out the Communists/Union symbiosis of the 20’s…
So, basically, a color revolution.
Before modern liberal education, some ideas, thought processes were indefensible. Going to school in the late 60’s-70’s many ridiculous ideas were discussed, but ended with the instructor summarizing moral American answers. We were all Americans. Today, the schools, including law school teach anti-American values. The President of the United States Barak Obama said he disliked the constitution of the United States. Yet we re-elected him. I was shocked when Obama beat Romney. Maybe he didn’t.
Obama was NEVER elected.
IMHO.
That re-election sealed the deal. America was too effing stupid to see what he was doing. They were agog over his melanin and edgy wyfe.
I’m not sure he won that election. In 2012, I oversaw the massive task of correcting 60, 000 defective absentee ballots in my county, and MANY had marked their ballot for Romney for Prez, but straight Dim in the downfalls races. I watched the election workers THROW AWAY corrected ballots, after looking at the presidential race.
I reported it, nothing was dome.
Of course nothing was done. All part of the plan…
Same MO as today.
I stand corrected!
I want to see Obama’s hidden/sealed college thesis…therein, I believe, lies his plan for America.
He truly beat Romney fair and square.
“So, basically, a color revolution.”
What is a “color” revolution?
What characteristics differentiate it from a plain, old fashioned “revolution” revolution?
That is what the purple ties and scarves are all about.
I find also lot of interesting comments, remembrances, insights, and historial and personal experience POVs also on causation. And flashes of realization. We are not alone in our anger and dismay. This is great to see –all the contributions to understanding…lead to innovative sand in the machinery possibilities.
I do not find disagreement that it has happened. And people are seriously thinking. That means they are AWAKE and not WOKE.
A very good thing. Heart warming. Thanks to all.
True dat… but the groundwork was laid and the burrowing reached critical mass under the Clintons…it began in earnest with the purging of at least 200 general officers from the military…whose replacements were all proto-woke…Bush II was clueless… and a club member… but he could have reversed things had he been aware and wanted to…but after 8 years of the Obama-ites Trump was up against more than he could know… it will take a virtually complete elimination of the administrative state to get the republic back, and likely heads on pikes and lots of tar and feathers….
Regarding W… TPTB chose him over Gore because he is flat out STUPID and therefore easier for the Deep State to control. He was installed with the express purpose of accelerating things, not reversing them.
W was selected to give the illusion of a ‘Win’ to Republicans.
Frankly, I believe there was an internal fight as to which puppet was heir to the throne.
OOOOhhhh Yeah. I want to be apart of that!! Pretty please !!! I tried to be a Hippy, it was fashionable , 60’s 70’sand 80’s, but somehow my upbringing kept getting in the way and I suddenly became Political Patty! Actually I was told to read Rules for Radicals, and suddenly it hit me.I became a Born again Patriot.
The radical non-conformists who espoused “Do your own thing” in the 60s will cancel you in a heartbeat, if you stray from their approved thinking. Now it’s “Do it my way or else! I blame many of my fellow baby-boomers and their government school indoctrinated spawn. Obama’s buddy Bill Ayers devised the poisonous plan. Unfortunately, It worked.
Strange but about 50% probably way more of the 60s Hippies are now hard working conservative parotitic American Christians, yet seems everyone points to them as the catalyst .
Yes the 60s has even crossed my mind as the catalyst, but look around, we are the ones trying hold down a moralistic American fort. Strange but everyone I know or come across that was part of the movement &/or era are just shaking their heads as to the extremes people have taken our country.
I suspect you are correct but it only takes a small percentage to cause the political and cultural chaos we witness everyday. I knew the propaganda infiltrated the schools in the 80s when my first child entered elementary school. The climate change activists were already indoctrinating kids. Then I noticed everyone was getting As and Bs as the self-esteem movement took hold. Participation trophies for everyone.
I often think back to who taught me. They were the women whose men — fathers, husbands, brothers, uncles who fought in WWII. They were women whose mothers and aunts were the Rosie The Riveters who “manned” the factories that built the weapons that helped win the war. Steeled by depression and war, they knew sacrifice. And they were patriots. I know for a fact we have some patriots teaching in the classroom today but they’re fighting an uphill battle against the school administration, school boards, curriculum developers and textbook publishers. You’ll find some examples at http://www.ThePoisonInOurSchools.com.
Yes, there was a visible change in public schools during the eighties. Trying to convince others was difficult if not impossible. However, the radical changes kicked into high gear during the Obama era with the new Common Core Standards. Highly recommend the book, The Story Killers: A Common Sense-Case Against the Common Core by Terrence O. Moore. The Hillsdale video link of Dr.Moore from 9 years ago gives you a basic background and understanding of what is taking place in public schools under Common Core. Long, but worth the watch.
You don’t realize how many ex-hippie conservatives I’ve met and I’m like “you too”…
Yes, I was a Haight Asbury hippie for a bit…But if we were protesting I jumped all over anyone saying anything or doing anything to a military person.
Funny story about that…i was a 5’3” maybe 100 lb girl in those days. Walked up to the protest for the day and I heard here comes Big Mama—I’m looking around thinking they being mean to a heavy set girl. I finally asked who and a guy says its you… Not sure why but I guess they were a bit intimated by me when I got on them about not be belligerent to our military.
I still have negative feelings about the Vietnam war, but totally love and respect all our men and women in uniform especially out Vietnam vets that did not deserve the crap they got.
ME.
I agree. I was a teenager in the 60s and thought I understood the “revolution.”
Ah, yes, “I was so much older then, I’m younger than that now.”
In 2008, I understood what was going on. Actually, it was way before then.. I remember the parade I went to in the 80’s, that actually was to celebrate the US Military who had gone to Viet Nam and finally recognize them for their duty to America. This was to counter-act the villification they received up till then.
I am Ultra MAGA and have been since Trump’s “walk down the escalator” in 2015.
“just shaking their heads as to the extremes people have taken our country”
when you say “extremes”, many people are likely to read that as there are two extremes and they’re two sides of the political system and roughly balanced or at least in some way offsetting
they’re not
Good One—The Globalist aren’t even in the side lines of decent moral values.
On reflecting on the era of the 60’s those were divisive times. There were the anti war draft dodgers and druggies. If it feels good do it Crowd. This is your brain on drugs- those are the people running things now.
Maybe the Vietnamese war damaged our sense of being exceptional and great
As I said I still don’t think we should have been in Vietnam…
I smoked some pot but nothing else. But yea we had some really weird ones in Haight
Ladies and Gentlemen, You’ve been Obamboozled.
And so … the Republic is dead and we’re screwed. There is only one way back and it looks a lot like 1776 redux.
That is what I fear, but at least I’m feel I’m where the good ones are…
Crazy as it sounds but its the Conservatives that know how to use guns and have them. Do believe that it we end up in a 1776 war most of the military people won’t go with the Globalist.
For my part I believe a descriptive term for the leftist activist radicals is Traitors to the U.S. Constitution.
The Fundamental Transformation of the USA. And even so, it would have failed had Barr done his job and secured the 2020 election.
Barr started screwing us back when he helped himself to the board of GTE and managed its sale to Verizon.
Timelines are everything.
Check out the Barr family and Epstein. Crossed paths.
https://nationalfile.com/bill-barrs-ties-to-epstein-resurface-after-he-claims-pedophile-committed-suicide/
He was too busy counting the money in his bank accounts and burping up bourbon
You know that’s what gets me about these guys…Isn’t there a point where they have too much.
Hey I’m not rich but some of these crooks have become Billionaires off our backs. I don’t need that kind of money.
“We are one day away from fundamentally transforming America”, as HE stated in front of his faux Greek columns.
We thought it was over-the-top — and supreme hyperbole.
It was — and — it wasn’t.
Barack Hussein Obama may not have totally understood what his ‘ascension’ to the Presidency actually meant — BUT — ALL OF THOSE ‘behind’ him, and who had maneuvered him to that point certainly did.
With the election of Barack Hussein Obama, THEY WON — and — AMERICA lost.
And, I do mean LOST. Really, really lost.
I do not know how America recovers from that loss.
By the grace of God we will recover… I am very upbeat about our chances!😁
It will recover, but it will take time.
Christian values, large families, home schooling, is what cures it.
When the dickless freaks go to their graves along with the morons who smashed babies skulls to have a career, applaud, and do it loudly. Their dying breed will be no more.
Will say it was a crazy day for me when I realized my worse thoughts, that the Bushes were in it with Obama. Think Daddy Bush was in way way over his head.
Well, I’ve been saying that since Obola The Magnificent got selected.
After eons of rabble rousing against “Da Man”….
..they became “Da Man”
And proved to all of us how incompetent they are at running the show….
All they are good for bitching and moaning and complaining and… pretty much nothing else. Petty nincompoops with small imagination and lots of sour lemons.
Ignorance and Egotism are their motto. Generosity and Curiosity are their nemesis.
They remind me of those Judeans in Monty Python’s Life Of Bryan.
Exactly right, In a worldly sense there was only one path to victory, that was to fight fire with fire; but we never engaged in that battle for 30 years – the timid and stupid people in the republican party forfeited the Country.
In a Spiritual sense the Lord is showing us that when you turn your back on God you’ll find yourself in a position that only he can fix. If we cry-out to him, He’ll fix it better than we can imagine. It won’t be in any way that we expect.
And he will not fix it. We are collectively an ungodly people. I think he will leave us to the Assyrians. We have COLLECTIVELY fallen far further than the Israelites in Jonah’s time. YHWH will not have mercy on us. Yeshua will force YHWH to spare some of us posthumously, but our nation is doomed.
It reminds me of YHWH bargaining with Lot, and eventually asking him to find even one virtuous man. We’re not that bad yet, but we’re close. A collection of hundreds of millions of fat, greedy piggies. Remember, YHWH despises us. If he didn’t, we wouldn’t nee Yeshua.
Um, the Lord is not willing that any should perish?
For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son?
No, the Lord does not hate us, but He hates sin and will not reward unrepentant evil with Heaven.
Now is the time to call on sinners to repent and accept Christ as their Savior and Lord.
He does NOT “despise us”. Yes, he is angry every day with the wicked, and He will punish the wicked, but He loves his creation, and wants everyone to come to repentance and accep His gracious offer of forgiveness and restoration, through the process He has provided.
It’s a mystery why He hasn’t obliterated the US by now, but He is long-suffering and merciful… But at some point, the jig is up.
The question for me now is … Is it to be “chastening”, or JUDGMENT? I don’t really know.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2013/01/10/john-brennan-the-cia-zibgnew-brezinski-columbia-university-and-obama/
Don’t fall for this. And see what just happened to Ken Paxton in Texas.
The only reason the leftists are thriving is because of full and total support from RINOS. Look at what happened in Georgia and Arizona.
Maybe the real reason is leftists have taken over the GOP.
See from previous comment as well
I believe we can trace the downfall of our country to the 1940’s during the war years when the family unit was fundamentally changed when women got a taste of freedom and independence. The men were off to war, the women were working in war time jobs supporting the war effort at home. They had their own income, and independence from previous family patterns.
The Baby boomer females were taught they could be anything they wished, accomplish education and success same as men. Thus began the rivalry between the sexes and the latch key kids. The family unit changed forever as did morals and values absent the woman at the head of the household guiding the family as the husband provided financial stability.
Look back a bit farther in time.
WW I saw lots of women going to work in factories, offices and farms.
The Twenties roared in more than economic ways.
Lots of booze, drugs, sexual immorality, corruption in business and politics.
The 1960’s saw a repeat of the 1920’s.
The corollary to that is that if we here at home had experienced the food rationing, shortages, sacrifices during the Vietnam, Iraq, & Afghanistan wars that we did in WWII, we would not have been so passive about getting into wars.
We have become disconnected from the actual hardships and consequences of war by the ability to deficit spend, so we don’t experience them simultaneously and directly.
As I have said before, consequences are great teachers, and a huge kick in the butt to teach good judgment. We should reinstitute that.
This!
No maybe about it.
We, the People are to blame for allowing the successful 0bama coup of 2008. How stupid, ignorant, and moronic most became.
“–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the CONSENT of the governed, –”
Nancy Pelosi was the person who signed off on and certified 0bama as being legitimate and: All Our States went along. All three branches of Our government went along as well as Our military and militias. All three private political parties went along, Democrats, Republicans, and Libertarians.
Worst of all, A huge majority of We, the People went along.
A small minority of US were called birthers:
Birther /börthör/ n. 1. A person who exhibits the audacity to read the U.S. Constitution, and then demands that his/her government actually obeys it. 2. A derogatory term developed and used by Leftists and Neo-Cons in a lame attempt to marginalize those who harbor the silly notions that Truth matters, and that Republics perish who refuse to uphold the Rule of Law.
EVERYTHING happening now is to be expected. Actions have consequences!
We are continuing to witness the results of complete treachery to US, Our Constitution & Our Rule-of-Law.
“No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;” — Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of Our Constitution
0bama can never be a “natural born citizen” of the U.S. because 0bama’s father was Not a U.S. citizen at the time of 0bama’s birth. No wiggle room or gray area!
This issue is Not complicated at all and very easy to understand.
“The only definition of “natural born citizen” that matters is the one held by the Founding Fathers!”
Our Framers used the law of Nations in DEFINING “natural born citizen”.
“Law of Nations, Book I, Ch. XIX, at §§ 212, is this:
§ 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
https://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/natural-born-citizen/
“Our problem today is not a defective Constitution. Our problem is ignorance, loss of virtue, and disobedience. Our Framers expected us to be virtuous and informed; and the States to resist federal usurpations.” — Publius Huldah
Many so-called constitutionalists, including Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, Ron Paul/Rand Paul, Judge Napolitano, etc. helped to legitimize the coup of 2008! They were major influencers!
And how come those with power and influence did not scream the Truth repeatedly? It was not a joke to be laughed at:
Well,my understanding is that it requires only one parent be a citizen, whether it be father or mother.
I was a US passport clerk for the Post Office for some years, and that was the criteria were had to use.
I do not know if that applies to elected office eligibility.
Nice try, but you know we are talking about a “natural born Citizen” and not a “citizen”.
Unless you are stupid, ignorant, or moronic. I don’t think you are, you just try to confuse by trying to change the subject.
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“No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;” — Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of Our Constitution
Barack Hussein 0bama Mmm Mmm Mmm
http://bit.ly/2LUt5cQ –
“…Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen…” — John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States
MINOR v. HAPPERSETT REVISITED.
“…the only time the US Supreme Court ever did define the class of persons who were POTUS eligible under Article 2 Section 1 was in Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), wherein it was held:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.
There’s a quote for you. It really exists. And it tells you exactly who are natural-born citizens; those born in the country of parents who are citizens. The words are plain-spoken and self-evident. There are two classes of persons discussed in the above quotation. Those born in the country of citizen parents were labeled by the Court as “natives or natural-born citizens”, but these were also further identified as being “distinguished from aliens or foreigners”. The distinction is crucial.”
http://web.archive.org/web/20170124135357/http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2012/01/09/minor-v-happersett-revisited-2/
Well, there was a long build up to the Revolution.
But eventually the love of freedom won out over the fear of reprisal.
It also helped that there was a returning to God just before the Revolution.
Having an Eternal view of things gives the proper perspective of risk and reward.
“What does it profit a man if he gain the world but loses his soul?”
It’s been 15 years since the 0bama coup of 2008.
They took EVERYTHING from US!
and we were warned:
“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.” — Thomas Paine
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” — George Washington
“Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” — James Madison
Now what?
Post vote audit. I think we have the votes, but the process is crooked
Well, we never before had a president to say out loud he wanted to “fundamentally transform” our nation. It could very well
be that these previous presidents wanted to do just that, but saying it out loud was not a given, so it was worked on behind
the scenes and no one was the wiser, until it was too late.
The problem now is that the Enemy counts the votes. We lost the Republic a while ago, and now we have lost the Democracy.
Slavery is next and I’m persuaded that all the loud mouth gun toting yeehaas will go quietly along with what they are told because they are not hungry, cold and deprived -yet.
2A will do us zero good if used against the fed. It’s for intruders and self protection outside, but no match for the combined resources of DC. I keep reading here how their guns are going to set things right… lol. They won’t have a bank account or cellphone when the man pulls the plug. Who we gonna shoot?
I think you can collectively fight the government, even with their significantly more impressive weapons, and access to cut communication and electricity etc.
However, if you’re a minority where the other people in society are against you, then I don’t think you can win.
– People keep saying that the Jews could have survived the Holocaust if they had guns, but I disagree, I think they would have just gone down fighting and taken a few people with them. This is because all their neighbours and friends were also against them, and not just the government.
– Then look at China and the final covid lockdowns. The government gave in when the people started revolting. Because the people, even without weapons, can win.
However, now that we have been through covid and seen how ridiculously easy it was to control people through fear and propaganda – the question is what will the population do?
Well, if citizens being armed is inconsequential to the US government, then I wonder why they try so hard to disarm us?
Can someone tell me what is going on in Texas???
Sadly, the RINO’s are assisting in turning the state Blue ?
Looks like China and Big Pharma have bought themselves a coup against a patriotic AG.
I will lay this at the putrid feet of John McCain and George W Bush. Had these Republicans not given away the store to the likes of that wretch Obama, we might have been allowed more time.
When McCain scolded his OWN FANS for decrying Obama in a campaign rally I knew the fix was in. He had more sympatico with a gd community organizer than he did with us. And we can thank AZ for giving him to the country, term after painful term.
McCain has a lot to do with our demise. FAZ.
I remember watching a rally(not sure if it was the same one) on tv, where McCain strongly defended Ocommie from a woman who suggested he was a Muslim .Seems like playing to lose is what the GOPe does best.
Consider how Ken Paxton was impeached by the Texas house. There are 85 Rs but only 23 voted against impeachment. That’s 27% of Rs standing firm. Maybe that’s why Texas schools are filled with DEI, critical race theory nonsense. Could this be why we have so much alternative energy that failed in the big freeze a couple of years ago?
We should include in the cause for the weaponized turn in politics the FACT that there are so many serving duplicitously. How many Rs are really Ds in disguise? How else can Ds be elected in Texas? It is despicable and wrong to do so, but what other conclusion can be made?
In this circumstance, it is easy to see how the levers of government may be weaponized. There is little resistance.
It explains how Abbott’s hands are always tied. They are taking over all the Red states. Running as Republicans and actually beind Democrat. Arizona.
It changed because the evil empire/predator class wanted it changed
Yep, McCain legacy. That worthless shill.
“In January of 2009, and inflection point took place; an inflection point that no one realized in forethought, scale or consequence.”
Au contraire, mon ami. Some of us knew EXACTLY what we had been hearing from this young Marxist for years. We knew by heart all of the faculty-lounge “solutions” we were going to get, including the oppression, and beginning with a scheme of socialized medicine written in prison by the husband of ….. but that is all water under the bridge at this point. 2009 was 1968 all over again. SDS took over the Chancellor’s Office, but this time they kept it and started running the whole place.
BHO told the world EXACTLY who he is. No one was listening.
100%
And people still doubt it.
So, it follows then, that the “principles” which motivate the Leftist Radicals … DO NOT STAND UP TO THE TEST OF TIME, as they have “flipped” over such a relatively short time period and ALL DUE TO THE PERSONS who were in power. They are motivated by PERSONS, NOT TRUE PRINCIPLE. Ages-old corrupt cronyism.
They are motivated by hatred and blood lust, and crave power to implement their satanic schemes.
Are you trying to say all fingers point to OBAMMY AND HOLDER??? NOooo, say it isn’t so! I know I’ve been saying all along, Obummer is the cause of everything.. He is also the man behind the curtain.
The Communists were in charge under Clinton. Recall HRC’s ill fated health care commission, Jocelyn Elders and Slick Willie selling national secrets to the ChiComm in exchange for campaign donations? They just hid their efforts well. When The Kenyan got elected as a black progressive, he was immune from scrutiny and dropped most – not all – pretenses. Full Commie. Now accelerated under Obiden to make up for the 4 years lost when VSGPDJT was trying to save America (for the first time).
I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation, Sundance.
I can just imagine the shock faces when you said out loud what we all know. It was ALWAYS Obama who aimed the whole of gov’t squarely at us.
He openly spoke of his disdain for America and all that means. And his self declared mandate to fundamentally transform America.
I do find it very interesting the number of people on here telling you you are wrong.
That itself is telling.
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Thank you, Sundance. Fight for truth and righteous behavior! Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy might.
All this government criminality, decay and corruption
did not happen overnight. It has been a long, slow
march to the bottom.
Start with the War of 1812.
Dictators around the WORLD couldn’t possibly have their serfs rise up against them … could they?
The Democrat Party wants to Divide and Conquer America.
Democrats want to pit everyone against each other.
The purpose of Woke Critical Race Theory (CRT) is to divide America.
Democrats and Republicans already do that by being illegitimate parties and dividing people as much as they can.
The Left finally won their objective, that’s all.
They were against Big Government and Big Business only as long as they didn’t control it.
Now they do.
They were never against the concept, they were against those who were in control.
Just like the Soviet Union.
The State was supposed to wither away.
It never did.
It just got new bosses.
Absolutely, Sundance.
The people who protested Vietnam, and rolled around at Woodstock, now walk the halls of power along with their offspring.
Beauty is truth. Truth beauty. Nothing but beauty and truth here. Sun shining, grass and trees all shades of green. Was given my daily bread of hard work to do and did it well. The ocean is blue blue blue and calm. I know the other stuff may get here to paradise and the big cities may get it first but I’m enjoying each beautiful truthful day as it comes and each restful peaceful night of rest and prayer and thankfulness. I thank the Giftie for all my many blessings.
see how I snuck in a bit of John Keats and Robbie Burnes? Isn’t tje English language loverly???
“Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” –
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, 1983
There is no fear of God in them.
Let’s remember — if we must — the Enlightenment and its new philosophy of life whereby man’s reason would solve all the problems and issues of life. No need for a Creator, a God, whose Word establishes the only correct standard of good and evil for all his human creatures.
We can make up our own minds about the issues of life. Right.
Just exactly like Eve in the Garden, who listening to the Evil One, saw that the apple looked good to the eye, and began doubting God’s goodness and His right to rule over her, and finally that God was DEPRIVING her of the pretty thing. Then switching her allegiance from God to Satan, she began trusting the lies of the Evil One. She decided she knew better than God did what was good for her.
She preferred lies to the truth. She was tempted to resentment against the One who had lovingly made her.
She wanted to be her own boss (and that man, Adam, went along with it).
She relegated God’s Word to nothing more than suggestions, at best.
We Americans, following Eve’s example, are just as guilty of dismissing God’s Word, His Law, and compounding that sin by dismissing the only rescue God has provided by which to redeem us and bring us back to Him. And to set us free from the Evil One’s clutches.
Being thus dismissive of God’s Word and order for our lives, we find ourselves easily dismissive of our nation’s law of the land: the Constitution. We’ll just make it up as we go along — the Living Constitution, as they call it.
Some of us anyway.
So a guy with an odd name that no one ever heard of gives a speech at the 2004 DNC convention. Four years later he beats Hillary Clinton to run as President, and then beats the perceived war hero John McCain for president.
The evidence is overwhelming that he is a homosexual man married to a transvestite and most likely does not have a valid birth certificate.
But yet the FBI, CIA, NSA, DOD, PENTAGON, SECRET SERVICE, and others didn’t know.
Obama totally restructures the military officer’s corp and they helplessly stand by and watch.
Seems to me this flipped before Obama at least behind the scenes.
Maybe the simple and safest way to correct this is to go nation wide with paper ballots hand counted. Trump is the only top name calling for this. That alone gives him credibility.
you can “call” for it all you want, it ain’t gone happen
They were not feckless or weak.
They were dedicated to the destruction of our nation but they were covert traitors.
A covert traitor is MUCH more dangerous than one who openly hates and opposes you.
Only the rhetoric has changed, re-crafted to exploit their coup of American government. Their intent, mendacity and utter, lethal ruthlessness has been the same since 1917. EXAMPLE: Look how seamlessly the various D-Governors instantly became COVID-tyrants, with only the flimsiest, ridiculous, scientific-sounding policy-speak, from the top, as cover. The Left don’t need a reason, just an excuse and even that can be retroactive.
It is always, ever, only about the power…Marx, Lenin, Alinksy…
The more interesting question to me is, what happened to the Republican Party and “conservative movement”? They appear to have been flipped as well, and its not obvious how and why that happened. The GOP going back over the last few decades has seemed a lot more hostile towards the right than the left. And you could even say the same about the “professional conservatives”. National Review seems to have started its long march to the left around the year 2000 and 9/11.
It might even be the case that the Bush administration saw some of the groundwork laid for the radicals in the Obama administration. A lot of bad actors, such as Robert Mueller, were elevated to important positions under Bush.
Interesting topic Sundance ss just this morning I re-watched 1998’s ” Enemy of the State” with Gene Hackman, Will Smith and Jon Voight.
Ah, the good old days
https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/chicago-annenberg-challenge-in-spotlight/2008/10
Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
And the creation of small schools has continued as a reform strategy nationwide, most recently with major funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.
The proposal that won Chicago the grant, which the Annenberg Foundation required be matched two-to-one by local donations, was written by William C. Ayers and Anne C. Hallett. Mr. Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, has become a prime target for Mr. Obama’s critics, who point to Mr. Ayers’ membership in the radical Weather Underground in the 1960s and 1970s and assert that the Illinois senator has been keeping company with an unrepentant domestic terrorist.
Critics have focused not just on Mr. Ayers’ involvement in violent opposition to the Vietnam War, but also on what they see as his espousal of a radical “social justice” approach to education.
For example, Dick Morris, a political consultant and pundit who has worked for both Republicans and Democrats, including President Clinton, said Oct. 6 on the Fox News Channel show “Hannity & Colmes” that Mr. Ayers has a philosophy of “radicalizing students.” Under the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, he charged, Mr. Ayers chose Mr. Obama to “pass the money out” to “extremist community groups” to infuse students with “radical ideology.”
And guess what? The “activist” takeover cannot be rolled back. At least not by voting. Like in all places the Communist Left takes over they will never be removed by voting. They will not allow themselves to be voted out. We are seeing this.
I saw this coming when I was 10 years old. Obama won because race. Nothing more. He was a junior senator 2 years into his term. The rest was smoke and mirrors and fake Greek columns.