Slightly interesting, and in the big picture somewhat expected. During a lengthy interview with ABC’s primary propagandist, Jonathan Karl, former VP Mike Pence asserts that if he is forced to give testimony to Special Counsel Jack Smith on conversations with President Trump about the 2020 election results, the legal team behind Pence will not assert that private conversation as “executive privilege.”
This approach was expected by the most cynically minded, because it explains why Pence is delaying any presidential race announcement. If Pence is to be valuable to the special counsel, he must testify before he makes a 2024 announcement, or else his testimony gives the impression of denying “executive privilege” in order to undermine his opponent, Donald Trump – which is, of course, his true motivation. Video [@21:36] and Full Transcript Below:
We all know a Mike Pence person in our lives. A person highly skilled in delivering weaponized superiority and passive aggression. Mike Pence was always the earworm.
[Transcript] – JONATHAN KARL, “THIS WEEK” CO-ANCHOR: Mr. Vice President, thank you for taking the time to talk to us here in Iowa.
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE: Thank you Jon, good to be with you.
KARL: As — as I’m sure you’ve seen, Donald Trump is saying that he’s going to be indicted on Tuesday, he’s calling for people to protest, now we — we don’t know if that’s true, the Manhattan D.A. has not said anything about it, but he’s calling for people to protest. Is that irresponsible?
PENCE: Well first let me say, I’m taken aback at the idea of indicting a former president of the United States, at a time when there’s a crime wave in New York City, that — the fact that the Manhattan D.A. thinks that indicting President Trump is his top priority, I think is, just tells you everything you need to know about the radical left in this country. It’s a — the last five years Democrats have been dismantling tough criminal justice in the city of New York. Families are paying the price and yet this is what we get.
It just feels like a politically charged prosecution here. And I, for my part, I just feel like it’s just not what the American people want to see. We got real challenges in this country today, Jon. People are facing record inflation, a crisis at our border. We have war in Eastern Europe, the American people are anxious about the future and here we go again, back into another politically charged prosecution directed at the former president of the United States, and I would just hope for better.
KARL: But he’s calling on people to protest, to come out and protest, “take our nation back.” We know what happened the last time he said that.
PENCE: Well Jon, the American people have a constitutional right to peaceably assemble — and express their …
KARL: Absolutely, but to have a former president calling on people to protest a — a — a — a justice proceeding.
PENCE: The frustration the American people feel about what they sense is a two-tiered justice system in this country, I think — I think is well founded but — I — and — I believe that people understand that if they give voice to this, if this occurs on Tuesday, that they need to do so peacefully and in a lawful manner. That the violence that occurred on Jan. 6, the violence that occurred in cities throughout this country in the summer of 2020, was a disgrace. The American people won’t tolerate it and those that engage in that kind of violence should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
KARL: But you say he’s a former president possibly about to be indicted and it’s unprecedented. Aren’t his actions unprecedented? I mean we never saw a presidential candidate give $130,000 to a porn star to keep her from — from talking. I mean, these are unprecedented actions.
PENCE: Well Jon, I — as you know, those — those events transpired before I even joined the national ticket and so I can’t — I can’t speak to the merits of the case.
KARL: Well, the payoff happened just two weeks before the election.
PENCE: But I can’t speak to the merits of the case and in America, you’re innocent until proven guilty. That’s not always true in the national media, but it is true in our justice system. And look, I know that President Trump can take care of himself and — and this process will play out, if in fact an indictment comes down. But I just have to tell you that the politicization that we see in the Justice Department, the fact that in New York, the attorney general and other Democrats running for office in criminal justice system, actually ran on a promise to get Donald Trump, I think, is deeply troubling to millions of Americans who want to see the equal treatment before the law.
KARL: Do you think people should be out protesting that? Do you think they should be protesting the courthouse? Do you think —
PENCE: Look, Jon, I think the American people have a right to let their voice be heard. But I am hoping and confident that people that may give voice to their frustration this week and in the days ahead will do so in the best American tradition, and that is peacefully, and use their First Amendment rights in the way that we all respect.
KARL: What do you think of Kevin McCarthy, Speaker McCarthy, coming out and denouncing this and saying that there’s gonna be a congressional investigation into — into all of this. Do you want federal interference into what is done by a Manhattan D.A. or any district attorney?
PENCE: Jon, I gotta tell you, as I travel around the country, people are very concerned about the politicization that we’ve seen at the Justice Department. During the Trump-Pence administration, we saw FBI’s — agents that were falsifying documents to obtain search warrants, we found about politics driving decision at — at the highest level. And again, in NYC I have to — look no one’s above the law, but when you have the attorney general campaign on a promise to get a particular American indicted, and you have other Democrat officials that pledge the same, this is not equal justice before the law. This — this looks like the criminalization of politics and the American people aren’t having it. And frankly —
KARL: But he would have the right to defend himself and to be heard by a jury of his peers, etc., etc. I mean don’t you have faith in that system? Whatever you may think about the prosecution, he’s got a chance to defend himself.
PENCE: I have — I have no doubt that President Trump knows how to take care of himself. And he will. But that doesn’t make it right to have a politically charged prosecution of a former president of the United States of America. I mean, look, we live in a very divided time in this country and for prosecutors to bring a case on — on this matter at a time that we ought to be healing our country. We ought to be finding ways to bring Americans together. We’re facing real challenges in this country. I mean — I mean literally, I was in New Hampshire not long ago and a guy running a restaurant said to me that eggs had gone from a nickel to 30 cents a piece, and he’s struggling to keep people on the payroll at his restaurant. I mean, you got families that are facing high gasoline prices. You got a crisis at our border. It’s not just 5 million people coming into America, but also Jon you’ve got an avalanche of fentanyl that is claiming lives in every big city and small town in this country.
The American people want to see leaders in Washington who will focus on the issues they care about, they’re concerned about and — and to see that what appears to be a politically motivated prosecution, that I know many in the national media will spend all their time talking about, I don’t believe that’s what the American people want our leaders in Washington focused on and — and it’s not what I’m gonna focus on as well.
KARL: I want to ask you about your recent remarks about Donald Trump and — and Jan. 6, you said that history will hold Donald Trump accountable. How?
PENCE: Well, we all face the judgment of history and I believe in the fullness of time that, that history will hold Donald Trump accountable for the events of Jan. 6, as it will other people that were involved.
KARL: In what ways? What will history say about his actions?
PENCE: Well it will be the judgment of history, I truly believe it. And I also think the American people will also have their say. I mean the president is now a candidate for office again, he’s running for election but as I go around the country, I’m, I’m convinced the American people have learned the lessons of that day. They’ve internalized what they have learned over the last two years, including in much of your good work on this topic. They know what happened. They know the fact that the president’s reckless words endangered people at the Capitol that day, including me and my family, and I believe they’ll, they’ll factor all of that in as they make decisions going forward in this country, but — again, I, I honestly can tell you that I just think that the American people want leaders in Washington. They want voices in the national debate that are focused on the issues that are affecting their lives. They’ll make their own judgment about what happened on Jan. 6. They’ll make their own judgment about this administration and its failures at home and abroad. And I think ultimately history, history will hold Donald Trump accountable for that day.
KARL: Trump actually said in response to what you said recently about Jan. 6, that it was your fault. That if you had done what he was asking you to do, throwing out those electoral votes, you wouldn’t have had a Jan. 6 as we know it. That’s what he said. What do you make of that? It was your fault. That you were to blame.
PENCE: Well I know one of the, one of the attorneys that was advising the president said the same thing in a text on January the sixth but his attorneys were wrong and –
KARL: John Eastman.
PENCE: President Trump is wrong. I know by God’s grace, we did our duty that day, to act out the express language of the Constitution of the United States. States control elections. Once states send electoral votes to the Congress, the only role that the Congress has is to open and count — they can consider objections, which Democrats brought in the last three elections that Republicans prevailed. They can consider [objections] but at the end of the day, the job of the Congress is to open and count electoral votes certified by the states — no more, no less. We did our duty that day to ensure the peaceful transfer of power under the Constitution of the United States.
KARL: I mean he says, “In many ways you can blame him for Jan. 6.” I mean you were the one that had to be evacuated. That, that, that was facing calls for people who, who were saying that they wanted to hang you. And he’s saying, “in many ways you can blame him,” blame you for Jan. 6.
PENCE: Well, it’s one of the reasons why despite the fact that the president and I actually parted amicably when we left the White House on Jan. 20 [2021]. And spoke several times in the weeks that followed that. After I saw him return to that type of rhetoric in the spring of 2021, we’ve, we’ve just gone our separate ways. I know we did our duty that day. I know the president continues to have a strong difference of opinion about my responsibilities that day, but I, I, I trust my actions to the judgment of history and the judgment of the American people — I think — the people of this country love our Constitution and, and they want to see elected officials, uphold the Constitution and stand on that foundation and … whatever the future holds for me and my little family we’ll always aspire to do just that.
KARL: I want to play you something … and if you have the video here. I want to play you something Donald Trump said to me when I asked him if he was concerned about your safety on that day. This is a — asked directly about …
(BEGIN AUDIO – MARCH 18, 2021)
KARL: Were you worried about him during that siege? Were you worried about his safety?
FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: No, I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape … No, because, uh, I had heard he was in very good shape. But, but — no, I think —
KARL: Because you heard those chants, that was terrible. I mean, you know, those —
TRUMP: He could have — well, the people were very angry.
KARL: They were saying hang Mike Pence.
TRUMP: Because it’s — it’s commonsense, Jon, it’s commonsense, that you’re supposed to protect. How can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?
(END AUDIO)
KARL: I mean, he’s effectively justifying or excusing the actions of people who were, who were calling for you to be hanged.
PENCE: There was no excuse for the violence that took place at the Capitol on Jan. 6, and I’ll never diminish it as long as I live. But look I — the president’s wrong. He was wrong that day and … I had actually hoped that he would come around in time, Jon, that he would see that the cadre of legal advisers that he surrounded himself with had led him astray. But he hasn’t done so and it’s, I think it’s one of the reasons why the country just wants a fresh start. Our duty is to the Constitution of the United States. Now there were irregularities in that election — they were reviewed by the courts around the country. States had changed the rules in the election in the name of COVID. And I thought it was—
KARL: But — but you don’t think the election was stolen I mean you, you’ve said that–
PENCE: Look, I think it was worthwhile that the Congress debate the objections and consider the facts and then move forward with the peaceful transfer of power all under the Constitution and, and the laws of this country but … at the end of the day, I’ll let history be the judge, the American people be the judge and I’ll always know we did our duty that day.
KARL: But does saying — justifying those murderous chants — does way he’s talked about it since. Does that effectively disqualify him from being commander in chief again? What do you think about — that you’d have somebody that would again, justify those chants back in a position of authority.
PENCE: I think that’s a judgment for the American people.
KARL: What’s your judgment about it?
PENCE: And I’m confident they’ll make it. Well, look, I will be honest with you. I was angry that day. And while I believe in forgiveness, I’ve been working hard at that for a while. The president let me down that day. He let the country down that day. But thanks to the courage of law enforcement, the riot was quelled. We reconvened the Congress, the very same day and a day of tragedy became a triumph of freedom. And I’ll always be proud of our small part in that, but be honest with you the emotions of that day, the emotion since, I just haven’t had time for it. To me, there’s just too many issues that we’re facing this country today under the failed policies of this administration that I don’t have a lot of time for looking backwards.
KARL: Could you ever–
PENCE: –I’m looking forward and uh focused on whatever role we might play in helping to turn this country around.
KARL: Could you ever support him again for president?
PENCE: I think that’s yet to be seen, Jon. I must tell you that I think we’ll have better choices. We’re going to decide as a family whether we offer ourselves as one of them but I think different times call for different leadership. I think the American people long for leadership at the highest level that’s focused on the issues that are affecting their lives. And also, I think they longed for leadership that will keep faith with our highest traditions, including the foundation of the Constitution of the United States.
KARL: You had said back in September of 2020, that President Trump “he’s a man of his word.” You still believe that—?
MP: I’m very proud of the record of the Trump Pence administration.
KARL: But is he a man of his word?
PENCE: On one issue after another, we kept our word to the American people. Whether it be rebuilding the military, cutting taxes, unleashing American energy, securing the border, appointing conservative judges, putting pro-life judges to the Supreme Court that gave us a new beginning for life. One issue after another, I saw the president keep the word that he made to the American people and I was, I was proud those four years to stand with him. And I know that grates on some people in the national media, Jon. As I wrote in my book, I’m incredibly proud of the record of our administration. It didn’t end well, ended in controversy, but those four years we saw America through that pandemic, we we led our nation to greater prosperity and security in those first three years than anytime in my lifetime. And I’ll always be proud of the record of the Trump Pence administration.
KARL: I’m not asking you about the record. I’m asking you about the man. I mean, you had said another time, “I always tell people to know President Trump is to know someone whose word is his bond.” I mean, this is somebody that, as you acknowledged in your book, lied to the American people about what you had told him about Jan. 6, that you couldn’t do it. And he put out a statement saying you were in complete agreement with him — I mean that’s just one of many, many, many examples. You don’t still think that to know President Trump is to know that his word is his bond, again, not the record of the administration, Donald Trump, the man.
PENCE: I said that at that time and I meant it. I was deeply disappointed with the president’s words and conduct in the days leading up to Jan. 6, and on Jan. 6.
KARL: And since right? And since?
(CROSSTALK)
PENCE: Yes, you know, but but, you know, as I wrote in my book, the next day when the president committed to a peaceful transfer of power when he condemned the violence at the Capitol. I thought we were back on track and in the week that followed we would we spoke, I was very direct with him about my experience, and my view of it, and my belief that I’d done my duty, and we parted amicably and respectfully, but in the months that followed, he returned to that that same rhetoric he was using before Jan. 6, rhetoric that continues much up to this day and and that’s why we’ve gone our separate ways. And I continue to, I continue to be disappointed in the fact that the president has not seen his way clear to know that by God’s grace, we did our duty that day.
KARL: Can you can you clarify your position on testifying to the special counsel? I know that you’ve cited the speech and debate clause, you don’t want to talk about your role in presiding over the Congress on that day, but my understanding of the subpoenas are 16 separate things that they want from you — 16 different topic areas — and only maybe the most two of them would directly be about you presiding over the joint session that day. So are you willing to testify about other matters?
PENCE: Well, Jon, as you know, I’m limited in what I can say about proceedings related to the grand jury, but just as I did on Jan. 6, when I upheld the Constitution of the United States, I think preserving the separation of powers, the speech and debate protections that legislators have, and that those operating in the legislative branch have, is enormously important to the life of the nation. We simply don’t want an executive branch to be able to haul legislators into court every time that there’s a policy dispute. And so I’ve directed my attorneys to make, uh make a strong case in defense of my role as president of the Senate, presiding over a joint session of Congress on that day and in the preparation for that, and we’ll let the courts sort it out but I’ve actually never asserted that other matters unrelated to Jan. 6, would otherwise be protected by speech and debate. But I—
KARL: -So you may be willing to testify on other matters just not specifically your role–
PENCE: -I’m going to stand firm on the Constitution of the United States. We’ll let the courts sort that out. And, but I’ll [crosstalk] — I’ll obey the law
KARL: —Because I don’t want to misinterpret your remarks. You are open to testifying on other matters?
PENCE: We’re going to respect the decisions of the court and that may take us all the way to the highest court in the land. But I think this principle is an important one and I — I hope that people will see that throughout my career I’ve been a constitutional conservative, someone who believes in the Constitution as written and believes that the separation of powers is just as important as the work that we did, ensuring the peaceful transfer of power. Look, this is the greatest nation in the history of the world. And I believe much of that greatness springs from the heart of the American people, the faith in the American people. But ultimately, it is that form of government enshrined in the Constitution of the United States that has made it possible for us to create this extraordinary United States of America and I’m gonna stand on that. And we’re gonna make that case, but I promise you we’ll respect the decisions of the court. But I’m going to stand firmly on the Constitution.
KARL: But it’s not that you’re objecting to talking about, for instance, the broader effort to overturn the election. That was one of the other items.
PENCE: As I’ve said, we’re not asserting executive privilege, which may encompass other discussions. I believe the president may well have brought a claim for that. But I just believe that the work that I did preparing for and conducting on my role as president of the Senate is covered by the speech and debate clause. I believe we have the law on our side-
KARL: But the other issues
PENCE: But we’ll wait and see on the court.
KARL: OK. OK. Thank you for clarifying that because I know that you think big picture. Nobody is above the law. You don’t think Donald Trump is above the law?
PENCE: Nobody’s above the law. But nobody’s beneath the law either. And the American people are troubled after four years of our administration, seeing the politicization of the Justice Department, I strongly support the efforts in Congress to investigate the role that politics is playing in our justice system today. And this latest news of, of the Manhattan D.A. determined to apparently bring an indictment against a former president of the United States just feels like one more example of politics being in the lead in our justice system. And that’s not what the American people want. We want equal justice before the law, and that’s a principle I’ll always stand on.
KARL: So let’s turn to the next election — you’re here in Iowa. Are you running for president?
PENCE: Well, we’re giving serious consideration to it, Jon, and we’re getting a lot of encouragement, not only here in Iowa, but all across the country. When I, when I think of the blessings I’ve had in my life to serve in the Congress for 12 years, to serve as governor of Indiana and then as vice president of the United States and then I think of the magnitude of challenges facing this country at home and abroad under the failed record of the Biden administration, we’re, we’re giving, we’re giving prayerful consideration to what role we might play, but I think now is the time for for all of us that care about this country to consider our part to play a part and to make sure that we elect leadership at every level that will turn this country around in 2024 and beyond.
KARL: You said previously that your decision would come by spring. I know it doesn’t feel like spring out there. But Monday is officially the first day of spring. What’s your, what’s your timeline?
PENCE: Well, I can tell you we’re getting closer. I’ve been spending time with our family, been listening to friends around the country. And I expect before too long we’ll — we’ll know what our calling is. You know, Jon, it’s always for our family, It’s all about, It’s all about what we feel called to do. I think there’s two kinds of people in politics: people that are driven and people that are called. If you know my story, you’ll know I’ve been both in my life, but the last 20 years we’ve just tried to respond to what we sense is a calling of the American people and a sense of God’s calling in our life and we think we’ll have a good sense of that in the near future and I promise to keep you posted.
KARL: On Ukraine, you’ve taken, you’ve staken out really I guess you’d call it a Reagan-esque position of defending Ukraine, standing up against Russian aggression, but I’m sure you heard Gov. DeSantis say that the war in Ukraine is a territorial dispute. You would disagree.
PENCE: The war in Ukraine is not a territorial dispute. It’s a Russian invasion. It’s just the latest instance of Russia attempting to redraw international lines by force, and the United States of America must continue at a quickened pace to provide the Ukrainian military the support that they need to repel the Russian invasion, and the stakes are that high. This is, this is a test of American leadership, And a test, frankly, of the free world. As the leader of the free world, as the arsenal of Democracy, America needs to continue to ensure that the Ukrainian military has what they need. Anybody that thinks that Vladimir Putin will stop if he overruns Ukraine has another thing coming, Jon. And there’s no doubt in my mind, that the Baltics could be next. That what Putin is about, is reasserting that old Soviet sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. And the difference would be once he crosses into a NATO country we’ll have no choice but to send American service members into harm’s way. Now we can do as Ronald Reagan said we can, we can provide freedom fighters in their own countries, the resources to repel aggression there so that we don’t have to fight ’em here with our own soldiers. And that’s what we need to continue to do in Ukraine. I’ll continue to be a voice for that.
KARL: So what do you make of DeSantis calling it a territorial dispute? Because that’s virtually exactly what, how Putin describes it. And you said there’s no place for Putin apologists in the Republican Party and why is DeSantis-
PENCE: -Well
KARL: -saying that-
PENCE: There, there are, there are voices in our party that don’t see a vital American interest in Ukraine. But I see it differently. I truly do believe in that Reagan Doctrine that used to say back in the 1980s, that if you’re willing to fight the communists there, we’ll give you what you need, so we don’t have to fight ’em here. That set into motion the policies that brought the collapse of the Soviet Union. We, we have Russian aggression on the move, again, just as they did under Obama and Crimea, as they did under President Bush in Georgia. And we have to meet this moment with American strength. And make no mistake about it: Not only is American strength and the strength of the free world required to restrain Russia’s ambitions, but I think by standing strong with the Ukrainian people against Russia, we’ll also send a very clear message to China about its ambitions in the Asia Pacific and make sure they understand that the free world is prepared to rally around places like Taiwan in the event that, that China decides to move with the kind of aggression that we’ve seen from the Russian military.
KARL: Chris Christie said that DeSantis was naive in thinking we could just walk away. Do you see it that way? Is it naive to think that the United States can disengage and let the Russians and Ukrainians fight it out?
PENCE: I — I wouldn’t want to characterize it any other way than saying it’s wrong. The fact is, that, that Russia attempted to redraw international lines by force, under, under every administration in the 21st century except ours. And I think it was because we made historic investments in our military, we were willing to use force in Syria against the Bashar Assad’s regime. We, we unleashed the American military to take down the ISIS caliphate that, the, Russia saw American strength during the Trump-Pence administration. And after that disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, I can’t help but believe that emboldened the enemies of freedom around the world. And so now more than ever, but we need to stand firm and let me say again, the Biden administration has to hasten and quicken the support that they’re providing to the Ukrainians.
KARL: F-16s?
PENCE: This, this business of pledging 33 Abrams tanks in January and then saying they won’t be there for a year and a half is unacceptable. We ought to provide the tanks, the missiles and the aircraft that the Ukrainian military can use to take the fight to the Russians. President Biden said in his State of the Union address that we’re there as long as it takes. Well the American people know it shouldn’t take that long. If we marshal the resources of the free world, the arsenal of democracy, give them what they need, they’ve demonstrated their courage, their tenacity and I believe the Ukrainians can repel that Russian invasion and reassert, reestablish peace in Eastern Europe.
KARL: Does President Biden deserve some credit, though, for keeping NATO together on this?
PENCE: Well, I think there’s a lot of credit to go around with NATO. We called on NATO to make renewed investments in our common defense and before we left office, $150 billion in commitments from NATO countries for our common defense. NATO was stronger the day we left office than the day we came into office. But I want to say again, I think the fact that the Biden administration cut off military aid to Ukraine in the early days of their administration, and then has been slow in providing that military aid, needs to be called out. I do believe that it’s imperative that we remain there. It’s commendable that the United States has provided leadership in the free world to marshal support against the Russian invasion. But, but, my message to the Biden administration is, is, pick up the pace. Give them what they need to win this war and we’ll, we’ll make a contribution to peace in Eastern Europe and in the world.
KARL: We’re just about out of time, but I also want to ask you about something. I want to ask you about what President Trump just said about, about Ukraine. He said that the war is a quote proxy battle between the United States and Russia, and he’s calling for an immediate ceasefire. Which, effectively, I, would freeze Putin’s gains in place, I suppose. I mean, what do you think about what President Trump is saying about Ukraine?
PENCE: Well, as I said, whether it’s President Trump or others in our party around the country, there, there are those who see some choice before us, other than giving Ukraine the ability to fight and win against the Russian invasion. I believe it’s imperative that we stand firm. That we continue to provide the Ukrainian military the resources that they need to repel the Russian invasion. And that will be the fastest way to secure peace and stability in Ukraine and in Eastern Europe.
KARL: Alright, Vice President Pence thank you for taking the time and I’ll hold you to it, you’ll let us know when you decide about running for president
PENCE: We sure will, Jon. Thank you.
KARL: Thank you. Take care, sir. Appreciate it.
What a snake. He has sealed his fate with MAGA – DOA.
I can’t even listen to Pence talk. He makes me want to vomit. He doesn’t have a chance in hell for any political office. They might as well just keep giving him book deals, paying him to sit on “councils”, etc etc etc. Like they do with Killary. Just pay them off so they aren’t homeless. Thanks for your service Pence.
Judus Pence only has an audience because of his role in attempting to damage PDT on behalf of the GOPe big club
What a rat fink this guy is!
“(…) we’re not asserting executive privilege (…)
…. pardon me???!!!
… what a creep!
Not asserting because he thinks the conversation was in personal private capacity or because he denies President Trump was not really president or didn’t deserve to be president so no executive privilege for him?
Since the two did not have a personal anything and the only relationship they had was in the professional confines of their offices, the convo was not personal.
These fakes like Pence step up on cue nearly every Sunday to recite the Uniparty/MSM narrative.
HE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN!
OF ANY SORT!!
he is a turncoat and a traitor
Mike plays for the other team.
RINOs have never heard of an opposition party. Simpleminded coward.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Always has.
His middle name is “Benedict” … (not really, but how perfect that would be).
I’m sorry, I tried, but I can not wade through that much BS from a guy that’s supposed to be one of the most upright politicians of my lifetime. Normally, out of respect for what the Treehouse does, I read the article before posting. But damn, I’d rather listen to a teenager than Pence.
I am with you! Couldn’t read it all. Couldn’t take it! Instead of bending a knee someone should bend his back. I am from Indiana and Pence couldn’t run for any office here again and win. He is worst then the Dem’s. Tries to use his prayer and God to fool everyone. He will get his in God’s time.
Amen Amin!!
a teenager! so funny. so true.
Pence was the primary Deep State infiltrator into President Trump’s administration. Just as George HW was to Ronald Reagan, to stifle the agenda and to report to his true masters. To quietly do his thing while invisibly sabotaging the agenda thru others. His 1st trophy? Gen. Mike Flynn.
Reagan & Bush thing – EXACTLY except Reagan was supposed to die in that assassination attempt and catapult Bush into office.
I thought that as well — a kind of GOP version of the JFK assassination, with Johnson as president.
Exactly!
This!!!
The more we can crush these GOPe scum the brighter the future looks.
Never give them any mercy, for they will offer none.
Pence give credibility to the term ” Never trust a man wearing a suit and tie” Dirtbag!!
Pence gives slimey eels a bad name!!
This piece of dog crap is a traitor!!
Remember at the older bush’s funeral? He and his slimey wife were making dinner plans with killiary and slick willie for the folloeing week – they were overhear and it was reported!!
All of these people make me laugh…. Pence, DeSantis, Haley, whoever….. Some of this is about making money and taking care of the people close to you (family and political). I also do think all of these people get so delusional from their inner-circle sycophants telling them how great they are and how they can win. Their minds get very bent.
The only person that has a small chance to beat the democrat in 2024 is Trump and with the vote fraud baked-in, it’s a small long-shot chance.
The rest of these people would embarrass themselves like Jeb Bush did in 2016. Completely humiliated himself and his team.
Please clap!
Spit. Biggest poser ever. Doesn’t even fake it decently.
Kiss your aspirations good-bye, Buddy.
We stopped buying what you’re selling long time ago.
No vote for you.
Spit. Just spit.
We the People expect this from Pence. We were enlightened by Regitiger and again by Sundance re Pence’s role in the *stolen* election. This devout religious man has NO moral fiber whatsoever – just sayin. Then he goes on ABC with Jo(h)n Karl – member of the media deep swamp.
Exactly! Anybody who is anybody in the Republican Party knows what a despicable partisan POS Jonathan Karl is. His appearance with Karl on ABC was designed to give the disingenuous appearance by Pence that he was a loyal member of the Trump/Pence team (which he most certainly was not), while at the same time allowing Karl to maneuver (give) Pence the opportunity to offer mush mouthed, yet still damning, condemnation of Trump. A setup/staged interview by two low life’s from the get go.
These two can keep each other company in Hell.
What a disgusting piece of slime!
“KARL: But it’s not that you’re objecting to talking about, for instance, the broader effort to overturn the election. That was one of the other items.”
Look Karl, nobody was trying to overthrow any election you smarmy twit.
There were alternate sets of electors that came in so it was my duty to send the issue back to the states that had presented the conflict.
I would be a lying piece of human excrement if I tried to present what happened as Trump trying to overthrow an election and you know it.
I despise Jon Karl… the way he was questioning Pence with such obvious agenda.
As for Pence, I cannot stand people who wrap themselves in faith while stabbing people in the back. He is a slimy politician and he will NEVER be President.. so he should just go do a radio show or something.
spit!
Biggest bible thumper I ever worked for was also the biggest scammer.
Remember visiting the business right after it was closed down and seeing IRS and FBI jackets all over the place.
Total d-bag.
Well, when you have two snakes like Pence and Karl, what do you expect? Karl is goading in every possible way to get Pence to unload on PDJT and Pence obliges but he is sneaky in how he does it.
What a weasel.
I did not read even one full sentence of the Pence interview…my bad…disobeyed the guidelines…
Pretty sure that I don’t even care what was said…
But….
If Pence will man up and stand in the breach with Trump…really, truly stand against the forces destroying this nation…mitch, nancy, Susan rice, samantha, Barack hussein, Mary mccord, lisa, …..the list is long…
Lawfare, CIA, DOJ, FBI…the list is formidable and populated by the most deceitful our society has produced…
If Pence will truly repent against the evil facing this nation and cease to be a contributor to our downfall without consideration of his personal fate for challenging those who have appointed themselves the head of this state…
He will be worthy of forgiveness….but he must stand true and he must stand until the end…
Pence’s favourite for public consumption sandwich filling ,copious and well spread.
May the eggs of a thousand flies be laid in his brain
2 dung beetles trying, but failing, to roll the same ball.
His zeal for a continuation of Ukraine war is a turn off for me—telling—not to mention his previous well aired indiscretions.
The escalation now includes warplanes and offensive range missile symptoms…
We are being walked while blindfolded into WWIII by blind men and women propelled by ego and ignorance…
Nothing good can come of two nuclear powers slugging it out.
China will take Taiwan and Putin will get Crimea and a sizeable portion of Ukraine…
The leftists have not yet completed the “fundamental transformation” of America…
But it’s going to be a very close race….
I know of few folks that deserve the label POS more that this man……….disgusting scum
Pence: “the only role that the Congress has is to open and count — they can consider objections, which Democrats brought in the last three elections that Republicans prevailed. They can consider [objections] but at the end of the day, the job of the Congress is to open and count electoral votes certified by the states — no more, no less. We did our duty that day to ensure the peaceful transfer of power under the Constitution of the United States.”
Slick bit of word parsing.
First, the congress Pence was presiding over did NOT consider Republican objections to certain state certifications. The regular session was suspended, and then re-opened under emergency rules so that NO Republican objections could be brought. Pence knows this. He lies about it here. The Democrats ginned up a phony assault in order to declare an emergency, suspend, and return under emergency rules to ram through the illegal anointing of the fraudulently elected Biden.
Second. He’s right. He helped to “ensure the peaceful transfer of power.” But that is NOT their duty under the constitution. Their duty is to ensure that if there is to be a transfer of power that it is lawful. They do this by considering all objections. But, of course, they didn’t, so the procedure he participated in was itself unlawful. There’s a word for what took place.
What Pence did was facilitate the peaceful transfer of power from the lawfully re-elected President to a fraudulently elected imposter. That is not what our founders had in mind. And none of his pontificating and blathering and legalizing will ever change that.
Trump won.
Trump 2024
It was ONLY 21 states refuting the results of an obviously stolen election…
No big deal…./S
I read somewhere, it might have been in a Treehouse thread, that the purpose of the pipe bombs was to serve as an insurance policy of declaring an emergency if the crowd hadn’t been sufficiently baited into entering the building……
Yes — and you did read it here.
How was it a “peaceful transition” when Ashli Babbitt was murdered, Roseanne Boyland was smashed in the head with a baton while unconscious, another woman was entrapped and beaten to a pulp, and a bunch of Capitol police very oddly “suicided” soon afterwards? When Chansley was escorted around the building by Capitol police, prayed publicly to thank them, and then was jailed with hundreds of others in DC Dachau? Can we stop LYING about this “peaceful transition” that murdered, maimed and violated the civil rights of so many peaceful dissidents?
Pence, maybe you have fooled yourself; but a lot of other people saw what happened. It was ANYTHING but peaceful on the part of the government.
A most excellent point. He lies about that as well. But then, we had all just watched a summer of burning and looting that was also deemed “mostly peaceful,” so at least they are consistent in their lies.
Oh, and by the way, Executive Privilege is not Pence’s to assert. It is President Trump’s privilege to assert. Neither Pence nor his lawyers have any say in the matter.
Democrats and RINO’s do not respect law…
They manipulate it…
Can’t bring myself to listen, but this guy is the poster child for Christianity on my sleeve is license to sleaze. From my limited understanding, his Maker isn’t a fan of this approach.
Everyone have a bellyful of 30Pence, the ultimate RINO betrayer of Trump? Well, take note for those of you, and there are plenty here at CTH, who are longing for a Trump/DeSantis ticket. Rhonda Santis is effing Pence on steroids and don’t think he’ll change hid stripes by 2028. Both Pence and Rhonda Santis are as far up on the political ladder, step one, as they will ever get. MAGA voters should at least get to see both these two reprobates score in the low single digits when up against Trump.Trump/Lake or Trump/Ramaswamy 2024!
These two did themselves no good at all. Everything they discussed made me think less and less of each man.
The Fly was right. 🪰
Mike Pence is a Lawyer…. Oy vey…..and the obvious problem is clear …..
Larry Kudlow has Pence on his Fox Business Show RIGHT NOW as we speak.
Disappointing.
Follow up.
Pence made a few shallow, boilerplate, mealy-mouthed remarks about how bad the Biden economic policy is Yada, Yada, Yada (Kudlow earlier said Biden needs to go and we have to start from square one with our economy after this destruction).
Then Kudlow gave Pence an opportunity to walk back the crap he’s been saying about PDJT and he REFUSED by repeating the J6 RINO ‘insurrection’ talking points and NOT ONCE came within a mile of talking about the OVERWHELMING evidence of the stolen election.
Pence is done.
Larry gave Pence a chance to redeem himself and instead Pence regurgitated the MSNBC talking points!
Pence really needs to sit down and STFU, right f***ng now.
He is just like Bill Barr. The more he talks, the worse he looks.
Barr handed America to the Bolsheviks on a silver platter!
Yes! But, but, but — their investigation (which did not occur) : “To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election.”
If you don’t look, then you cannot “see”….
Pence will be judged by History, by the People and by Almighty God for spying on the President, laying in wait for four years and rubberstamping what he knew was a Stolen Election.
He helped steal the Sovereignty of the People. He took the Consent of the Governed and turned it into the Consent of the Government.
And by his own words and actions, is fully unrepentant. In fact, he seems eager to use the CheatWare Fraud Machine for himself.
Jeremiah 23:2-4
“So here is what I, God, Israel’s God, say to the shepherd-leaders who misled my people: ‘You’ve scattered my sheep. You’ve driven them off. You haven’t kept your eye on them. Well, let me tell you, I’m keeping my eye on you, keeping track of your criminal behavior. I’ll take over and gather what’s left of my sheep, gather them in from all the lands where I’ve driven them. I’ll bring them back where they belong, and they’ll recover and flourish. I’ll set shepherd-leaders over them who will take good care of them. They won’t live in fear or panic anymore. All the lost sheep rounded up!’ God’s Decree.
Selah
Translation: Yes, I was in on it.
I guaran damn tee you he read , printed, and saved Retitiger’s fine work.
Without even listening to Traitor Pence, I know he is FOS and is a POS Traitor.
Enough said.
And, based on what has been reported on him saying about Trump and his so-called “bible study invitation” at the recent RINO meeting, Pence is the worst kind of Christian. The absolute bottom of a festering Taco Belle dumpster. Let me count how many of these people I’ve run into during my life. You can spot them in less than a second.
I can’t even watch this. As he waves his Christianity/integrity flag and in reality is just another politician except he knows better but is suppressing the truth in his own mind. May God give us discernment to see our pride and repent before we too become a MP
Should just continue hand carving wooden figurines for Jem and Scout.
Pence’s anti Trump stances are now expected so they probably do not deflate the optimism of many P Trump supporters.
Andy McCarthy’s comments yesterday were however a punch in the gut to me even though I do not trust or like the National Review. While McCarthy referered to “Bragg’s nakedly political prosecution” and strongly criticizes it, he said in an interview last night (paraphrased) “Once Bragg crosses the Rubicon and arrests and indicts P Trump, the Georgia prosecution will soon follow (based on the ludicrous findings of the “advisory” Grand Jury led by the nutty foreperson) and then the Special Counsel will complete the political prosecution” of PDJT.
I have no idea what will happen over the next few months, but it isn’t going to be enjoyable for P Trump or his supporters. Another series of Democrat political persecutions with GOP RINO’s and POTUS candidates cheering them on–except for Rami so far. The more the House Committees investigate and uncover the misdeeds of the Biden crime family the more the crooked A/G’s etc will go after P Trump.
Not one of the evil collaborators of any of the past hoaxes and other major dirty political tricks has been indicted and it will be no different this time unless 2024 is a big year for MAGA.
Mike Putz is a democrat and a traitor.
Has Pence NOT been looking or listening to any of the POLLS?
Trump has been ahead in ALL, but one.
Of course, I don’t think any of the ones I’ve seen, except maybe one, even has his name on it.
Then he was at 1%.
Pence is not necessarily in it to win it
As election draws nearer, look for Sundance’s Hollywood Squares presentations that identify the Uni-party role that each of the — ahem — ‘candidates’ will play in the election charade
Even CNN is acknowledging he is leading, suggesting “voters of color” are the reason he is leading.
Perhaps those “voters of color” were also unjustly targeted at some point.
I am an avid reader but rarely post. But this display by Pence was so gut sickening that I must say something.
I hope that there is a special place in hell for someone so calculating, duplicitous, and manipulative. To present himself as so pious, calm, knowledgeable, and “above it all” and to speak as if The Lord is guiding him truly makes me sick to my stomach.
If I am wrong, I ask for forgiveness. But I probably am not?
As someone who talks to much, I would relate some thing about the Ten Commandments I read in my youth.
In the time frame in which the commandments were given, the various tribes and families carried their banner displaying the family seal out in front to be clearly seen whenever they traversed about. They were taking their name with them.
We have moved the vernacular to our setting and equated swearing to taking the Lord’s name in vain.
I have tried to never carry the banner of God falsely, but, without significant trappings of wealth, I’ve probably come closer to Trump’s life style than Pence’s.
I’m good with that. I’d rather answer for my failings than Mr. Pence’s.
CET, thank you. I appreciate your words and your perspective.
Mealy mouthed despicable human. 30 Pence.
FU@4 Mike Pence!
No I didnt read the stupid transcript. Why? Pence sealed his fate as far as Im concerned after the steal. Nothing he has to say matters to me – at all.
I will always wonder how things could have been if then POTUS Trump would have “fired” Pence (relegating him to give WH tours) for basically setting up Flynn and kept Flynn onboard thereby shielding him from his bogus prosecution.
You know, the Flynn thing happened so early in Our President Trump’s term that he was blindsided, and he didn’t know who or what to believe. So much evil. They decided to do it early because he was new and they still held the reins of power. Yes, Pence showed us early who he was…Trump is not omniscient, unfortunately.
Compare Weasel Pence to Earnest Shackleton and the crew of the Endurance. Incredible story of courage, determination and survival in 1915 during the Antarctic Expedition to cross the South Pole:
https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/have-there-ever-been-more-courageous-men/