Has there ever been a hotter topic then this one?

Another reason for me being a prolific reader, was. I came across Dr Zelinski’s story and protocol early (he had cancer and has since died), and also Dr Robert Malone who invented the Mrna process, said it should not be used for the purpose being used.

One of my reasons is that I have zero confidence in the ability of bio/pharma types to safely manufacture a ‘vaccine’ of this sort, even if the science was completely rock solid.

People seem to forget that when you take a vaccine, you do not stick science in your arm. You stick a product in your arm. That product is the end result of a set of complicated manufacturing and distribution processes. Any first year law student learns about product liability law, and the fact that even simple concoctions like beer can be manufactured badly so that the consumer is injured.

I do not believe that the pharma industry is capable of ramping up production and safely producing ‘vaccines’ based on a new technology in a short amount of time. Getting factories online, mastering a multi-step production process at scale, etc. It’s impossible, particularly since this technology has a track record of failure.

If I had my way, I’d be an old crone, living out in the woods, picking medicinal herbs and treating the villagers. My faith in *medicine* is gone. My one brother was given a med for his MS some years ago, an injection which caused paralysis (which eventually resolved itself) I do not know if he was given the jab,but having MS, I believe so, but he *died suddenly* in his sleep last year.

Nor do I trust vaccines. When my husband was being treated for lymphoma that had invaded his spinal fluid, he had an intrathecal port ( a shunt into the brain) implanted for administration of methotrexate. His port was contaminated and he developed bacterial meningitis. While he was comatose, the medical team gave him a shingles vaccine, without telling me until I developed shingles. It’s a live vaccine, but the claim is that it’s not infectious. Well, it was. And it cost me a couple of precious weeks away from him, during the last months of his life. For the sake of brevity, I’ll just say that I’ve witnessed considerable medical errors in my lifetime, including the one that took my husband’s life just a few short months after.

Per the covid jab, I believe that covid itself was simply a seasonal flu, politicized into *a plague*. I’ve never taken a flu vaccine and was not about to, now. Moreover, because the technology for this was so new and untested, my mind was made up from the beginning. No. Since my husband died, I also lost our home and moved into my brother’s house. He and his wife are hardcore Democrats who hate Trump with an appalling, unhinged passion. When I first moved in, I was kicked out in the first week, for admitting that not only did I vote for Trump, I despised 0bama. That made me racist, and my brother told me to go live in my car. he relented, but I knew where I stood. So when covid came along, they were absurd maskholes, and when the *vaccine* was available, they both rushed to get jabs 1, and then 2. I refused. Come Christmas of 2021, my brother told me I had to get out—again—because his stepson and friends wouldn’t come to the house as long as I was there,. I was *dangerous*. Not kidding. By the grace of God, a friend sent me a fake you-know-what, and I filled it out with local data. Were it not for that, I’d be homeless. Do I sound bitter? Yep, I can candidly admit that I am, and for the untold numbers of others who were shunned, cast out, kicked to the curb, told they should be denied medical treatment, employment, Social Security, Medicare. The wheat sure got separated from the chaff, though, didn’t it? It’s been an enlightening time, but also a bitter, bitter time.

At first I had “version 1.0” skepticism over the shot combined with a disease that would only kill 3/10ths of 1%, those two issues led me to wait and see. Later I learned more about the mRNA technology newness and mode of operation and decided the disease literally needed to have a mortality rate over 50% for me to re-consider. Even later as I learned how poorly the shot worked at containing the infection or preventing the disease I decided I wasn’t interested at all. Finally once the pro-shot folks decided to persecute un-shotted (not un vaxxed) folks with such religious zeal my independent streak added to the evidence and I never got an Covid shots. (I leave the one shot that was non-mRNA out of the discussion because it came on scene so late in the process.)

I coach mid-career physicians wishing to move into leadership positions. In Jan. 2021 I was leading a workshop of 12 physicians from across the state. They had all been Vaxxed. I was not, as it wasn’t yet available to my age group. I had a negative anti-body test the day before the workshop – in hopes the group would allow me to teach the 2-day workshop without a mask. They were Vaxxed, I was negative. I broached the “no mask” proposition at the beginning of the workshop, covered their vaxx status, my negative AB test, the airflow in the room, & the presence of 2 HEPA air filters in the room.

An internal medicine doc immediately said “We must wear masks, the vaxx does not prevent transmission.” The room went silent, all eyes on her. No one had heard this before. It was the opposite of the 24/7 narrative. She asked me to pull up the website with the EUA paperwork and display it on the monitor. I did.

She pointed out exactly where the EUA said the vaxx did not prevent transmission, it only promised reduced severity. The room full of physicians was stunned. She pointed us to the .gov website with the results of the clinical trials. I researched them. Again, no promise of transmission prevention.

I was already skeptical that all steps in clinical trials could be done in warp speed. I started asking myself, if they are lying about “effective,” are they also lying about “safe?” I started researching everything. I didn’t want to poison myself. Then I researched because my children denied access to my grandkids because I wasn’t Vaxxed. I wanted to prove them wrong. Didn’t matter, they were true believers.

Then I saw the censorship. Then I got sick of physicians in my coaching program telling me to take it because “I’m a physician and I took it, you should, too.” Then mandates, and passports, and celebrities and politicians saying I shouldn’t get healthcare, or be able to buy groceries, or to travel by air.

Then it was clear the CDC was wickering the data compared to other western countries with good data. Then I found the TRUTH from the modern day COVID heroes – Malone, McCullough, Wolfe, et.al., on Substack.

At this point, even if the deathvax had some efficacy, I’d never take it. And after my research on Big Pharma, and the vaxx industry I am aghast I ever Vaxxed my children without extensive research. At my age, there isn’t enough time for me to ever blindly trust our public health authorities, or American healthcare, again. I assume everything is a lie or half-truth until proven otherwise.

I got the virus before the jab was available. When it became available, I thought I have natural immunity. I had a “mild” case.

Never had I heard of any illness where an immunization was needed after having the illness.

I contracted omicrud this past August and had another “mild” case.

Even after much pressure from our children, we still did not get the jab. One listed side effect is Bells Palsy. My wife has Bells Palsy and we decided to not chance worsening the condition.

We were ostracized from my wife’s family for not taking the jab, even excluded from 2 Christmas and 3 Thanksgiving family gatherings. But now that they have had their vaccinated cases of the vid, we are now ok.

Who else has a constant nagging worry over a loved one, but doesn’t talk about it, least of all the person who is jabbed and boosted? Who else keeps hearing of sudden deaths but doesn’t ask the question on the tip of your tongue because you don’t want to traumatize the survivor? It’s a terrible and tragic burden we are all bearing. I love this thread, because now we are all bearing it together.

Our Covid journey started with our grown daughters arguing and berating us. They felt that my 75 year old husband should have a vaccine shot, even though he ended up on the floor at work after getting a flu shot. Was told then, in 2011, to never have another one. Then they complained that we didn’t wear our masks correctly when visiting the grandkids. Because I have been reading and studying this website since 2015 and read about the questions and concerns. Dr Zelenko and others helped me to put together our supplements – zinc,D3, vitamin C etc, and Hydroxychloroquine and later Ivermectin. When people ask us if we have taken the vaccine, we just tell them our immune systems are strong.

The hardest part of this whole mess is that our three families are still mad at us. See, we voted for Trump too. We haven’t spent any holidays together for the past couple of years and hardly ever see the grandkids. It seems that our daughters have decided that we are the problem- they believe all of the garbage they see and hear. I emailed information about not giving young children the vaccine to my daughter with two girls. She texted me back that she will never read any info I send her. “It’s all lies.”

Thank goodness we have our strong faith- we know our God is guiding us every day. Every day we try to live our best life and be grateful for our blessings. Sundance ,you are one of those blessings.

I’m now 66, 3 years after the beginning of the COVID madness. No, I never took the vaccine. But I also don’t get the flu shot. I have an innate distrust of Doctors, having worked in healthcare (business side) for almost 40 years. I know for a fact they’ll do/say anything for money, hospitals even more so. I trust my God given body/immune system, just like my country kinfolk. Thanks for asking. God bless those who took it, or were mandated to, for good health.

Although a senior, I did not get the covid vax, because of early warnings from a few brave scientists and physicians, and also knowing it had not gone through many years of testing and research. As time went on, evidence of harm and lack of effectiveness became more and more apparent.

I was able to convince all but one immediate family member not to get it. Very thankful. As a Christian, I trusted in the Lord that I would be with Him immediately after death, so I did not fear dying from covid. That strengthened my resolve.

Since when has the Government EVER had ANYONE’S best interests in mind – especially regarding health?

It was simply for that reason alone I decided not to accept the propaganda and the jab.

Distrust in their governments has kept most people alive.

I understand doctors ,nurses ,the medical establishment.My grandmother was a nurse in World War 1 .Both my parents were doctors ,Dad was an Alllied soldier in World War 2.He was also a brilliant mathematician.
So I understood medical ethics ,but I also understood the difference between an incompetant/mediocre doctor and a good/top flight one.And early on I found Dr Sucharit Bakhadi,Dr Richard Flemming and Dr Peter MacCullough ,Dr Pierre Kory ,Dr Paul Marik And I knew these chaps knew what they were talking about .That they were trustworthy.And also I had access to the results of the clinical trial of Astra Zeneca undertaken by Oxford univeristy and university of Witwatersrand in South Africa and to the conclusions drawn by the South African government .Also I had read the preprint article by the two indian PHD students on the lab origins of COVID.So I had privileged insider information I suppose.

I don’t trust a Government that allows the killing of babies. Why would I trust them with my health? Beside that, they are using aborted babies to make these shots. Evil!

To be honest, I had an appointment to get the J&J vax, which I had thought was safer than the Pfizer or Moderna ones. But a couple of days before the appointment, I had an overwhelming sense of dread. I was convinced if I got the vax I would have a stroke. I don’t live my life based on such things, but it was just too overwhelming to ignore. For me, not being vaxed means I do not get to see my grandchildren–until Hong Kong allows the unvaxed to enter. Even so, I’ve never regretted my choice. In fact the more the government hectored, the more certain I was it would be a bad idea. Sadly, they are learning how to insert mRNA vaxs into our food supply, so next time there may not be a choice. But for now, I’ll let my body’s natural defenses do what they do best, which, it turns out, is better than any vax, and be content that one day my pure blood may be needed by those grandchildren.

Am in the high risk group but intuition told me not to take the vax. That and a large mistrust of government.

It didn’t take long before the red flags started appearing.

The desperation in the message to get vaxed.

Pushing Remedisvir and ventilators on those hospitalized. Then, watching the patients die.

Stopping access to Regeneron, Ivermectin and HQC.

The desperate narrative around Ivermectin calling it horsepaste.

The mass hysteria around the unvaxed calling them terrorists.

Force used with job security and getting vaxed.

Freedoms taken away with masks and lockdowns.

Statistics showing CDC, Big Pharma, government officials not getting vaxed.

Removing licenses of medical personnel who weren’t pushing the propaganda.

The list is unending.

Then reading the news and everyday reading of people dying.

At some point, and for many…in the beginning…it became very obvious that these vaccinations were a mass depopulation event.

They obviously didn’t get enough takers so they’re now putting mrna in our food.

Anyone with brain matter must now realize an communist organized crime syndicate has taken over government with a mission to cull and control the population.

I can’t believe most of the Posters here think Covid is real?!?!? The entire PLANdemic was based on positive PCR tests which have been proven to be a Fraud. Covid is NOTHING but a LIE………ALL OF IT!!!

Seasonal Flu Cases in the US

2012-2013 34,000,000
2013-2014 30,000,000
2014-2015 30,000,000
2015-2016 24,000,000
2016-2017 29,000,000
2017-2018 45,000,000
2018-2019 36,000,000
2019-2020 38,000,000
2020-2021 1,822

Primarily, becasue it was composed of human genetic material harvested from aborted children.

Not exposing myself to an experimental gene therapy involving mRNA, spike protein, and lipid nanoparticles but about which very few other details were revealed or forthcoming was a no-brainer.

However, not needing even a perfectly traditional, possibly effective, true vaccine was also a no-brainer from the first day Trump had “Doctor” Birx break into late afternoon programming and she announced that the average age of death so far (data mostly coming out of Spain at the time) was 80 and the demographic most affected to date included people with multiple comorbidities. Being 49 at the time, fairly healthy, and suspecting that I had already contracted this new Wu-Flu during the Thanksgiving season of 2019 (therefore likely to have robust antibodies in place (always more effective than vaccine-induced immunity)), and having a wife a few years younger and children practically immune to the thing so far as the evidence had showed to that point, there wasn’t even a discussion to be had. Whenever any kind of new, experimental vaccine would be made available, I wouldn’t be taking it.

The fact that the media kept confusing (I suspected possibly purposefully) case fatality rates with infection fatality rates in their “news” releases about important stats comparing Wu-Flu to The Flu also was in no way providing me any push to seek any prophylactic treatment for me or my family. The mortality rate was in flux, poorly understood, and never actually high enough for my demographic to beat a risk/benefit threshold.

As the completely unscientific mandates to wear masks and physically distance yourself from peoples’ bodies (oddly dubbed “social distancing” at the time and since) became introduced and then hardened, and the lockdowns were extended on multiple fronts, especially time, the likelihood that what we were being subjected to was not a pandemic but a massive propaganda operation to convince people something like a pandemic was occurring only convinced me that there was no need for any kind of vaccine and that there was, in fact, no such thing being mixed up somewhere in a lab for us to eventually take.

The use of useless, over-cycled PCR tests as some stand-in for diagnostic testing debunked by the inventor (who died early on in the pandemic time continuum) was also a major convincing factor that this was all nonsense.

However, the CDC re-defining traditional medical terminology so that familiar-sounding, ominous terms could be used to describe this situation, which clearly was not a pandemic and was clearly not about to be addressed with anything that could be called a vaccine, didn’t help push me into considering any jab from any multinational big pharma group or the government. (Note, a pandemic, by the real definition, affects all or most demographics across all or most geographical areas around the world. This issue was hitting the elderly and some other low-hanging fruit for a respiratory illness, like people with compromised health due to diabetes and other maladies. Never was a pandemic.)

By the time my work place environment was toying with what to do about mandating mRNA gene therapy shots (I am a public school teacher in PA), I was set to lose my job not to take a shot that even the national fake news couldn’t keep from showing people keeling over from on live tv or in local news stories around the country. Some health professionals were even trying to fake getting the jab on live tv (and were caught with no plunger sinking on tape). People in the medical field did not want to take this thing. Why would I?

PA never mandated shots for educators, but encouraged them whole-heartedly. I watched many of my coworkers have terrible weekends dealing with the aftereffects of a Friday morning shot. Something else about these shots was not right, obviously.

As time wore and and more questions about what was possibly in these shots (bits of metal, living wigglies, grapheme, etc.) popped up, not only were these not for me or my people, these weren’t for anybody. At the point even the officials from the CDC started to admit the shot couldn’t keep you from contracting, transmitting, or dying of COVID, it was clear there never was anything brewed up in any lab that could be called a vaccine as I knew the term. By this point, maybe when they were pushing for the first or second booster, I was actively promoting people not getting the shot in my spheres.

So, for me, it was never even a consideration, and it was mind-boggling how many people I personally knew who were perfectly willing to get injected with this thing for no reason that I could see. Same for wearing masks, extended lockdowns, etc. Whole thing was insane. Still is.

What I never could fathom was how the Internet was available for all, and it provided me with evidence of randomized, controlled trials of masking in response to an epidemic in a hot zone that in no way indicated masking was even a little helpful. People from OSHA were on YouTube saying masks were the last thing they would have ever come up with as a response to a viral vector in a workplace. People involved in the invention of the mRNA technology clearly did not think it should have been used this way. Same for PCR testing. All of that and more was available for all. But it seems like hardly anybody did anything but what MSNBC said to do. So crazy.

I didn’t take the shot first because Hank Aaron died the week after taking it. Second, they (gov./media complex) were pushing it so hard.

Once more anything the NWO-WEF-jerks out of Davos or gates are for I’m dead set against!!!!

I am a health care provider, albeit mental health. I have never taken a flu vaccine, even when required to do so by my employer. I believe strongly in natural immunity and make an effort to take care of my body. The “vaccine” came about too quickly for my liking and I research everything in depth. The warnings were out there from the start, although they were not so easy to find. I have not trusted the government for most of my life. However, the biggest reason is probably the fact that it was being forced and I have always rebelled against being told I have to do anything.

1. Fauci lied about HIV in the past. I watched lie built upon lie coming out of his mouth become medical “practice”.
2. FDA/CDA and medical profession lied about HRT drugs for decades, until they finally has to face the fact these drugs harmed women.
3. I worked in the health profession for 42 years and saw medical “fads” come and go, mainly after they harmed instead of helped
4. I served on a local hospital bio-ethics committee for 20 years – there are few bright line certainties in medicine, and there is fraud
5. This was a novel, experimental vaccine – with no informed consent because there was none
6. This was a made to order Nancy Pelosi election year hoax.
7. We have been through bad flu seasons in the past, with similar symptoms and consequences, nothing showed this was different
8. My choice was to wait and see; plus rather getting covid and getting the benefits of natural immunity over a shot of a wholy unknown substance and value
9. Johns Hopkins 10 year all cause morality spread sheet underscored this was a hoax even before the shot was available
10. Our government does lie to us; our media lies to us. One could only trust real science which evolves over time, not out of one man’s mouth.
11. Science is a verb, not a noun. It is never settled. It had not even left the starting gate on this shot.
12. Yes, “covid” severely curtained my life and my freedom.
13. Yes, I was shunned by friends who believed this was the Zombie Apocalypse and we are all gonna die
14. I am 80 years old and this is not my first rodeo with government over-reach

Thank you for this website!
Hubby and I are both over 70, came over as kids from USSR-block, and thus are somewhat skeptical of gov. “narratives”. We did not get the jab due to many early red flags:
ex. 99% or so survivability w/o treatment, so why is it a pandemic? why no early treatment? why ignore natural immunity?
ex. Social distancing/masking are required, except if you are in a BLM protest;
ex. The constant fear-mongering on TV. Once a 350+ lb. lady, hospitalized for covid was profiled on the news as being a “healthy woman” with serious problems due to covid. Really??
ex. It was established early on that obese and vit. D deficient individuals were at high risk for complications.
ex. Early treatment was ignored and false “studies” re HCQ were promoted (later retracted by Lancet).
So-o-o —- who paid off whom? What country benefits and has lots of $$ ?

Story you might find interesting. About two years ago I moved and there were a bunch of guys around my age (late 60s) getting together on park benches just BS and having a nice day. On my second day one guy asks me about the VAX and I told him that I was not really interested in getting it. Well when I got home and checked my E-mail he had sent me one telling me he was disappointed which didn’t bother me but he sent it on a thread to everyone. Next meeting I went out and told everybody to have a nice day and I wouldn’t be back. Now they all want to be my friend.

The instant and vicious cancellation of anything other than the deep state Democrat narrative about “covid” was a strong clue something very strange was going on, election year 2020. Every single “covid” advantage only worked for Democrats.

Every single “covid” liability struck only GOP and Trump. That was too strange and never happened before for a seasonal “flu”. What was really going on, but by then no one could even ask.

I always believed when Nancy Pelosi tore up Trump’s SOTU address in early 2020, she sent the signal to unleash the hounds of covid hysteria hell on Trump and use it to destroy every single one of his SOTU address accomplishments. And no, I don’t think this is crazy, paranoid thinking on my part. It is the only scenario that makes sense, even today. It was a tailor made “crisis” that Democrats in 2020 were simply not going to pass up.

So,
I’ve read quite a few of the posts here and actually felt a bit of shame. Shame for myself. Shame that, despite my reservations, allowed myself to accept two Moderna shots. I failed to listen to my inner voice telling me to wait. Wait a year or so and see what it was all about. The job I had at the time didn’t require it.

I was a skeptic from the start about the response to the “virus”. Thought the whole thing was overblown and out of control yet, I took the two shots when my time came. I’ve not taken a booster and never will. I’ve wondered what it was that that made me do it. I don’t have an answer, even now. I failed myself and wait for whatever consequence may come. I seek neither sympathy nor scorn. It is what it is. For what it’s worth, my son is not vaxxed. He’s 20 years old and stood up to it all. I’m proud of him and more proud of the fact that he somehow had more courage than me, at least when it came to Covid.

I did not take the shot. My family all had a good case in November 2020. I figured we built up immunity. Also, I do not take the flu vaccine. Why subject your body to harmful substances on purpose. I worked in the public school system for 40 years, and have a very effective immune system. Things just did not add up. I saw it as a way they were out to destroy Trump, I thought they were using Covid to inflict damage.

I have been an avid CTH reader for years and never commented. My oldest son and I discuss CTH weekly and the brilliant comments plus the things we learn. Dutchman, Stillwater, Nimrodman, and many others comments have touched my soul. I work at a small shop (20 employees) in West MI. The room that I work in has 12 or so employees and we are able to talk as we work. I was reading “real news” and realized what was coming. I am now 62 and most are 35 and younger-wives, mothers. I told the girls one January day to start stalking up on supplies because a shut down was coming. I am sure they thought “you stupid old lady” knowing I am a “political junkie” as I talked and talked and got them to vote in 2020, even unregistered ones. Some had never voted. I made them wear the “I voted” sticker to prove it to me. As March approached in 2020, supplies were short, one individual said at work, “why is there no toilet paper?” Another chimed in and said that I had warned them. Then the shut down.

One of my long time friends had called me and brought up the short supply of items, I explained what was going on. She was not happy that I did not tell her. As the jabs became the issue I begged her not to get it. She was all behind Fauci, thought the man was great. Her daughter, SIL, 2 grandkids-whom I adore all vacced & boosted. My heart broke. So far they are fine.

As for my husband and I-no jabs. No jabs for 3 of our kids and spouses. One son double vaxed because in was AGR in Air Force. He had to get to Jan. 2022 to retire. No gkids vaxed either. Praise God!!

Hubby disabled, water well driller who worked hard to pay our bills and raise 4 kids-3 sons veterans. Hubby also in remission for cancer-that is why I work. While at work hubby is taking phone calls about getting vaxed from friends. One day I answer and friend asked if it is political and that is why we are not getting it. I informed him that vaccines are not just suddenly created and there have not been enough trials. To be honest, with all that I have read-I did not trust the Government.

Hubby and I got sick around Sept 2021, both had same symptoms. We sat in our chairs for 3 days, hardly ate and low grade fever. I went and got a covid test-negative, due to work. Daughter shows up with Horse wormer-Ivermectrin, at first we just took the paste, yuk! Then we mixed it in a shot glass with real maple syrup and downed it. My husband had a low grade fever for 15 days-we should have taken the paste everyday. I stayed with him and finally called his Dr. took him in and he had covid pnuemonia. Put on antibiotic all good except long covid. Doing great now.

I pray for all who are vaxed, it is pretty scary what we are seeing. The whole sad part is that we really don’t want to hang out with friends that tried to pressure us. We are strong people who believe in the truth as God leads us no matter what. As the good Lord tells us not to put our faith in man. Becomes more and more true everyday!! God Bless you all!!

Being a conservative, Christian, living in the midwest, small town, my wife and I tried to evaluate the “noise” coming from MSM and government Fauci against uproar over alternative medicine. Also, standing in faith for God’s protection, we opted out of getting the jab while many friends and family did get it. We have been very open about our reasons for rejecting it while not condemning those that did. So far one close friend has joined the ranks of the “died suddenly” and my 98year old mother in law who was in great health in a retirement center has suddenly taken a turn for the worse after being “required” to get a booster. We did get the 1st generation version and were able to get Hydroxochloryphyn from a doctor friend not under corporate governance.

I was concerned when the news of it first started leaking out of China, then the Diamond Princess happened and from then I considered the Wuhan flu to be a big nothingburger.
I worked for a technology company that mandated the shot, got a religious exemption, they pushed it again 6 months later and I was fired anyway.
My job was essential so I never quarantined, so I knew that I had been exposed. My entire family had it, wasn’t much worse for us than a typical summer cold. Later on the blood banks reopened and they tested for antibodies at that time, I had them.
Easiest decision I ever made.

After working in the prison system for 20 years, I only took the shots that were required….Hep A/B. I always washed my hands after every contact with inmates, doors, equipment etc. Years prior to my career in DOC I remember getting Flu shots and getting really sick. When C-19 started I was very skeptical about how a “vaccine” could be approved without clinical trials. Did NOT get the jab, figured if I survived through all the crap (literally, that’s another story) that happened in the prison, God was still watching out for me. The more I followed CTH the better informed I was. Thanks Sundance for the awesome articles. Even all of the feedback from everyone is so informative.

Unvaccinated me caught COVID in January, and weird symptoms keep popping up, weeks later.
It’s the RickRoll of viruses.

It was clear to me that the risks and dangers of ‘Covid’ were vastly overblown.

It was being hyped by a lying stupid legacy media that lies about everything and over exaggerates every mild or non existent risk.

The same hyperventilating Karens telling us the climate is going to kill us, were telling me about a new worst-virus-ever from hell that was going to kill us all.

Yeah right.

And I don’t watch television.

When I saw the evil rotten criminal Fauxi involved I knew it was a lie.

I was skeptical of a ‘vaccine’ the first time I heard it.
Then I heard ‘operation warp speed’ and rolled my eyes. Of course safe reliable vaccines take many years of development and testing they cannot be shoved through the system like trying to pour concrete or erect a building.

I could see president Trump was doing his best but was getting played by people to whom he gave too much credit and authority.

I always thought pence was a weasel and lo and behold who was the ‘chair’ of the wh task force.

Brix is a blathering scatterbrained lightweight bureaucrat, promoted for style points and ability to show up and work the system. Not a serious medical expert. Of course she has since been exposed for the fraudulent lying criminal she is.

So for me the whole thing stunk to high heaven out of the gate and I rejected shots masks social distancing sanitizers and everything else.

Human fetal tissue, rhesus monkey kidney cells, aluminum, mercury … then this Experimental gene therapy. No thanks

I had had an awful flu in Oct. 2019. The congestion was so bad and so difficult to get rid of, I actually worried about getting pneumonia. I used common sense, herbal tea and Children’s Dimetap. I could understand why the elderly or weak were in danger, just like they are with every flu. Later when “COVID” was announced and the symptoms were published, I knew I had had what they claimed was COVID. I knew that I did not need a vaccine because my body now had antibodies that would also protect me from variants which has been the science of viruses since Pasteur. Now, what was the red flag that convinced me that they were seriously lying? The very second that they said naturally acquired immunity was inferior to the vax. I have absolute belief and trust in God. I see all of His creation. Nothing He creates is inferior. Only Satan and his minions would claim superiority over God. We are warned that Satan is the ultimate liar. Once you accept that truth, you can easily spot the lie. Watch for the lie.

I did not take the jab, neither did my spouse although his work tried to force it. We did have to pay an additional $1,200 insurance premium for being a “rebel”. My daughter is a nurse and had to in order to keep working and she has been sick ever since the last booster. I think it messed up her immune system and every day it seems she is sick with the flu or upper respiratory infection.

My son was unemployed for over a year and was to the point he would do anything for a job. He never shared with me his status but I think he got the shot when he started working for the city because it was required. He died five weeks later from a heart attack at the age of 39. Of course no way to prove anything and he has since been cremated. No parent should ever out live their child.

I truly believe they knew this shot was deadly and didn’t care while they all profited by it, and used the “pandemic” to change voting in order to remove Trump. I still question whether or not the elites got the shots or if it was just saline. Too many young people dropping dead and yet the pretense still exists.

How long before we have to live through this again with the next pandemic. God help us all.

I knew from the get go it was a set-up to destroy the economy, the rotten bastards who cooked up this scheme (China) and possible accomplices from the U.S. had a mission to de-throne our MAGA President, it was all about the money and power = control. I wanted no part of it! I served in the military and was a part of the elite groups, hence we were vaccintated for mission specific locations. To many negatives about the vaccine and the numbers of people having issues….it was a no brainer to pass on taking the jab. Thanks Sundance for EVERYTHING YOU DO and same for the Treepers!

I had concerns when the videos from China showed up in November. Later the word came out that it had a 99.6% survival rate, so not such a big problem. Given that, the government response was way over the top ( and thus untrustworthy) and their instructions made no sense-Masks are completely useless against viruses, social shut-down made no sense in terms of herd immunity and on top of that they were pushing an untested experimental vaccine.
So with a little research I began taking Vit d-3, Vit C and Quercetin with Zinc. So far I have avoided having any variant of Covid.

Show me the 5 to 15 years of both human and anima testing to see what the long term safety is. That’s actual science.

My reasons for not getting the shot.

Grew up in a home with functional alcoholic, learned to never trust until proven I could. Had a boyfriend who enjoyed gaslighting me for several years. Have experienced medical negligence, followed by almost a decade of unnecessary medication which affected me adversely. Upon learning how the shots work, instructions for producing something for the immune system to respond to, I kept wondering where the OFF switch was. Have never trusted governments.

Had Covid late March 2020. As a 55 yr old, smoker of 40+ years, with lung problems from untreated allergies, it hit my lungs hard hard hard. No medical help was given despite seeking it, so I kept on with my elderberry, as I have with all illnesses since the first SARS, 20 years ago. Thanks quercetin. My lungs turned to concrete, could only take the shallowest of breathes, took about a month for lungs to become normal. I smoked all the way through it.

My biggest question was why no one accepted natural immunity. That proved to me most of it was a scam. Had Covid again OCTOBER 2022…2 1/2 years after the first. I had 48 hours of VERY high fever (immune system said HELL NO, NOT THIS AGAIN…KILL IT!), slept 24 of those 48 hours, a day of gastro symptoms like the first time, and that was it.

I will die of flu cuz I’ll never trust a shot again.

I got arrested multiple times (unlawfully) for trying to buy groceries for my 11 year old son and myself. I knew that I needed to take a stand, or it would get far worse.

Did the courts here in Seattle label me an anti-vaxxer?

Yes.

Did judges decree me to be a “direct and imminent threat to public health.”

Yes.

Did judges decree me to be a “credible threat” to my own son?

Yes.

Has it been 497 days since I had my son home?

Yes.

Has it been 6 MONTHS and 8 days since I saw him when he ran away from his mom’s (a rabid pro-mask/pro-vax lunatic) to come home before the police took him back to his mom’s?

Yes.

Has it been three days shy of 5 MONTHS since the last court ordered Zoom call with my son?

Yes.

I’ve been dogpiled by police. I’m still being prosecuted in four different trials in Seattle.

My crime? I tried to protect my son with the truth and the law.

His mom had him injected twice. The courts facilitated that for her.

Hopefully my beloved son doesn’t “die suddenly” before I can get him back home.

Would I do it all over again, to stand for all of our children?

Absolutely.

My son knows why I did what I did. It’s been incredibly difficult for both of us, but I raised him with MLK quotes.

I will quote one of my favorites of MLK in closing:

Cowardice asks the question “Is it safe?”

Expediency asks the question, “Is it polite?”

Vanity asks the question, “Is it popular?”

But conscience asks the question, “Is it right?”

And there comes a time, when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor polite, nor popular, but one mask take it because one’s conscience tells one that it is right.

It made absolutely no sense to us that a so-called vaccine was developed SO FAST, yet…they cannot cure the common cold. Soooo…We never trusted this at all. PLUS, quite frankly, we thought early on that this entire thing was a complete RUSE. So, we waited and read, and watched. When our medical doctor wanted to give us the JAB…we said not only NO, but HELL NO!

The entire thing has been a complete debacle. It has been very hard to receive huge ARGUEMENTS from family and friends that got the jab(s) and were horrified that we didn’t do it! In fact, this past June, there was a family wedding that initially the bride and groom were wanting people attending to have the JAB. When I told them, NO… Well, I had family that would not talk to us! THEN… by the time the wedding was to take place, A LOT OF ATTENDEES had told them outright that though they loved the couple…that they would decline to attend. So, NO ONE wore masks, or were asked at all about their “vaccination status”.

So, NOPE…no way. All of it never made any sense, and the TIMING of this so-called “pandemic” was way too ODD to participate in MADNESS.

cross posted at https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/3037/covid-19-shot-why

It always felt wrong to me. I see things differently from most.

Because God told me not to. And “they” really, really, really wanted everyone to take it. Why? Everything that came after simply reinforced that.

Initially, I just didn’t feel there was enough data re: long term side effects. I begged family members to wait a while and see what was going to happen. I cried when they didn’t listen.

Secondly, A blessing in disguise for me is that I had a severe adverse reaction to a “vaccine” years ago and so early on I knew it wasn’t an option for me , even if I had felt comfortable w it.

Thirdly, my employer was placing extreme pressure on all of us to get it and it just pissed me off to no end. I was appalled at the way we, the unvacxxed , were treated and spoken to. So the super stubborn contrarian side of my personality made an appearance.

Lastly, several weeks into the big push (spring 2021) I was seeing ppl (actual folks I knew and worked with) that were having extreme, life altering side effects/reactions. That’s when I thanked the Lord for my allergic reaction and stubborn attitude.

For my family and I, it was a very fast-paced self-designed course in “how to read a medical paper”. Of course we were already avid readers. Our daughter being in middle school, it was the perfect time for her to learn about the Spanish flu, and we already had a good grounding in the world wars. Soon we understood just how much bigger this was. We kept up on those papers for those two years: what is a pandemic, what does epidemiology say about contagiousness of a virus of this kind, what does the science say about the masks, everything that kept coming up on tv, we researched into the ground so that we at least felt armed with info when we went out into the public spaces – unmasked and “unvaccxed”. There were some battles. My mom had it bad, being between her 6 kids who were split 1/2 and 1/2 on the “vax” issue. She took the 1st “vax” and did end up with peri (myo) carditis. (inflamation in the heart). She didn’t take any more after that. My dad age 70 saw through it immediately and said no. It was hard not being able to talk openly w/ them or anyone else about what was going on. (Oregon.)

Thanks for this Sundance. Again, wonderful article.

I am 67, my 92 year old mom lives in the same apartment building as I do in NE Ohio, and neither of us have taken the covid shot — nor have either of us come down with covid. (Praise God.) I don’t normally take the flu shot, and take enough vitamins and supplements that I don’t get sick often. However, I have had three nasty flus/colds that seemed to be going around in the past 3 years, but each time, I always tested negative for covid (even once with a PCR test). I’d be curious to know if I have the antibodies, but as far as I know, I haven’t had covid.

For the record, my mom and I took precautions during the lockdown — she is a healthy, sharp 92 yo who still drives. But since it seemed older seniors were especially vulnerable, we ordered groceries and other things through Instacart and Amazon for a season. Our churches streamed online, and were closed for several months due to concerns for many in the congregation who were older or medically vulnerable, so we attended that way for awhile. I also got proficient at using zoom to stay connected with friends, family, and Bible study. And I was in a weekly hiking meetup, which gave me a safe way to connect with people 3-dimensionally and get a good workout. I had been laid off from my remote writing job in July 2019, and did some freelance writing, applied for a million local jobs, collected ample covid unemployment, and finally ended up semi-retiring on Social Security and freelance writing. So thankfully, I didn’t have to worry about being jabbed to keep a job, or being exposed at a workplace.

Mom and I also wore masks to stores and other indoor venues in the earlier days, as most people in our area did. We felt that since people we knew were getting serious cases and even dying after just being exposed to someone who had it, and the covid strains seemed stronger back then, the mask was at least a barrier to help guard against it. We also took vitamins and supplements — including C, D3, and querecetin and zinc whenever we went out to the store, movies, or someone’s home. I especially didn’t want to bring home any viruses to my elderly mom. It seems to have worked for us.

Bottom line is that both my mom and I did a lot of research about covid and about the shots. Neither of us trusted the mRNA technology. I was a fan of Dr. Zelenko early on, and was impressed with his success using HCQ/zinc to treat covid. We also saw Dr. Oz’s shows about it, and how he pushed for the government to use it — until someone must have backed him into a corner, and he pulled back. Sad. My Cleveland Clinic doctor refused to prescribe HCQ for me to have on hand — she is an osteopath that I like, and we are normally on the same page about alternative treatments. But not this. A year later, I went through the same thing with her about IVR/zinc. She walked the CC party line. Thankfully, Dr. Zelenko recommended quercetin as a workable substitute for HCQ — and I got Durvet IVR apple flavored paste from our local Tractor Supply for Mom and me. So I felt like we did all we could do to be informed and equipped.

My parents are divorced, and my dad is 91 and in a NH veterans home, and I am his DPOA, so I am his medical point person. His vets home was covid-free till the last part of 2020, when a wave hit that took 37 veterans’ lives. My dad came down with covid in December 2020 — he did pretty well the first week, and I was on the phone with his doctor, asking if he could get HCQ/zinc (doc was old school and said no.) However, when his covid took a turn that weekend, to his credit, the doctor put him on dexamethasone and heparin. Dad bounced back the next day, and he was out of quarantine and back in his own room a week later, doing fine. A month later, the home offered the vaccine, but I declined it for my dad because I’d read you should wait at least 3-4 months after a covid infection to get it. That April of 2o21, I was going to sign him up for the J&J shot, thinking since it was only one shot and more like a traditional vaccine, maybe it would enhance his immunity. I asked God to let me know clearly if that wasn’t a good thing for him — the next day, it was in the news that they halted the J&J shot because of blood clot issues, and Dad’s vax was cancelled. So that seemed like a God answer to me.

Meanwhile, I was reading more about natural immunity being better than the vax, and about the serious and deadly side effects from covid shots. I had also been watching for the Novavax shot, because it sounded more like a traditional vaccine — but it kept getting bumped, and eventually, it seemed like even that shot came with a bag of side effects. And I kept hearing more messages from Treepers here, from the Frontlines doctors, from Drs. Harvey Reich, Zelenko, Kory, from conservative friends on facebook (some of who are news reporters), and others — all confirming that HCQ, Quercetin, IVR/zinc and monoclonal antibodies were the smart way to treat covid — while the reports of covid shot side effects were piling up.

All of that reaffirmed my mom and my decision not to get the covid shot. I held out from letting my dad get the shot for a year and a half — but as the vets home changed medical staff, they kept changing their rules and moving the goal posts, and it was impacting my dad’s quality of life. His natural immunity kept him testing negative when others who were vaxxed were testing positive. However, he was one of two people in the home who were unvaxxed, and he was angry when he was the only one forced to stay in his room for 10 days when there was a covid outbreak in his ward, even though he tested negative — just because he was unvaxxed. I finally had to cave, and I got him the J&J shot initially, and he had the Pfizer booster 3 months later. Thankfully, he has not had any side effects from it, and he is now able to enjoy group entertainment and trips that he had been excluded from. (They did shield him from knowing about it, and gave him his own little trips — scenic drives with a stop for ice cream, that he liked. And they had more in-ward activities he enjoyed, like movie nights with snacks.) But I knew what he was missing out on, and I’m glad that he is finally able to do the big fun stuff, and hasn’t had it affect his health.

There were many times along the way that I was tempted to get the shot. Initially, I wondered if it really did give the 100% or so protection that was touted. I was also concerned about the possibility of vax passports, and needing one to travel again, or do anything fun like restaurants, sports games, plays, etc. I also envied my friends who got the jab and felt so safe and FREE to take cruises, trips, and just generally be out there hugging people and having fun. I like being free and having fun. I was almost retired, and had always looked forward to finally having enough free time to take extended trips here or abroad. So the timing of covid really sucked. But I kept having that gut check from God to hold back and keep monitoring things.

In the end, I’m glad I didn’t cave. I am glad to see the tide turning, both here and overseas, and that travel restrictions have really loosened up as things return closer to normal. I can’t help but wonder every time I hear about someone I know or in the news who develops heart issues, cancer, or other illnesses out of the blue. I always pray that my friends and family who took the jab don’t experience any bad side effects — and I pray God’s continued protection for Mom, Dad and me from getting covid. (Although the current strains seem a lot milder that some of the earlier ones.) I am incredibly grateful for places like the Treehouse, and a number of other friends who came out of the woodwork at the right time to let me know that they were also holdouts, and how comparing notes really helped me to keep my perspective on it. Thanks, Sundance, for all you do to provide this forum where people can be honest and get the info the news won’t report. I appreciate the moral support and compass readings more than you know. God bless you and the Treehouse.

No vax in my household. Never even a consideration, really. Why not, in short:

1. The fear of and response to Covid was screamingly disproportionate to the risk
2. Once we made the conclusion above, the idea of a vax was illogical, and
3. Even if Covid presented a legitimate risk, an untested vax with an EUA was a risky option when successful (and proven-safe-in-real-world) treatments were available (Ivermectin, HCQ, zinc, etc.)

Genuinely appreciate all of the comments here. I and my family can empathize with almost all of them. My heart breaks for some of you – this conversation should help you understand you are not alone.