The timing of stuff and the context of the historic reference points matter when looking at any story involving the DOJ. Failing to understand the background context leads to mistaken impressions, false assumptions, corrupt hidden actors getting away with prior misconduct and generally flawed analysis. That is the accurate takeaway from a story that seems to have gained attention amid the professionally republican class of punditry.
Here at CTH we have dropped the pretending, focus on the evidence and call the baby ugly when warranted.
Today’s outrage du jour surrounds Kash Patel sharing documents with John Solomon about a subpoena dated November 20, 2017, targeting investigative staff from the House Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). [Article Here] Dates matter. Redactions matter.
[Document Source]
Who redacted this document?… Kash Patel? John Solomon? or the DOJ? It matters.
In November of 2017, everything related to the Trump-Russia operation was being handled at the Dept of Justice by lead DOJ Special Counsel official Andrew Weissmann under the auspices of what is commonly called the Mueller probe or ‘Mueller investigation‘. On November 20, 2017, the main focus of Weissmann was the guilty plea of Michael Flynn which was at its apex and was later signed November 30, 2017.
The public battle on Capitol Hill November 2017, was between HPSCI and Main Justice. Nunes -vs- Schiff -vs- FBI -vs- Main Justice -vs- White House -vs- Special Counsel. Each entity competing for the public and political narrative.
In his later (June 2020) Senate testimony, Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein testified that Weissmann/Mueller were in charge of everything at Main Justice and he was used as a go-between liaison between congress, the White House and the DOJ. Rosenstein gave Weissmann/Mueller full autonomy, full authority, and never once questioned a request from them. Put simply, Rosenstein said Mueller and Weissmann called every shot in the DOJ that had anything even remotely associated with Trump-Russia, which was essentially everything at Main Justice for two years.
As a result of that context, any subpoena against Kash Patel or any other member of the HPSCI would have come from the Weissmann/Mueller probe, NOT Rod Rosenstein.
Rosenstein gave Weissmann/Mueller expanded scope authority twice in 2017 from the original scope memo in May. The final expanded scope memo authorized the targeting of Michael Flynn Jr happened in October of 2017, and that authority was used to coerce the guilty plea from his father, Michael Flynn Sr, a few weeks later.
Mueller and Weissmann issued hundreds of subpoenas to telecommunications companies [156 pages of search warrants documented here]. As a result, it’s not accurate to say the DOJ was subpoenaing Kash Patel phone records because that lets the guilty party off the hook. It also downplays the corrupt intent of the Mueller probe.
Any subpoena targeting Kash Patel in/around November of 2017 would be coming from the Andrew Weissmann team.
There was a widely reported clash in 2018 between the HPSCI (Nunes and Patel) and Rod Rosenstein who was in the position of liaison because conniving and duplicitous Andrew Weissmann used DAG Rosenstein as a tool and willing shield. [Article Here] Essentially, that June 2018 article involved Rosenstein allegedly threatening to subpoena the records of Nunes and Patel if they kept pushing aggressively on the Mueller probe. However, the November 2017 subpoena is not that.
Kash Patel is making an ipso facto argument with the recently received evidence of the November 2017 subpoena in hand using flawed hindsight.
Who keeps escaping scrutiny as all these flawed assumptions are being made? The Mueller Team.
Andrew Weissmann et al were running Main Justice for two years (May 2017 through Feb 2019). Nothing that happened in the context of the FBI, CIA, DOJ-NSD or Main Justice that had anything to do with Trump-Russia did not come directly as a result of the Mueller/Weissmann probe.
Weissmann had full control, including any subpoena that would have been targeting Kash Patel.
Back to the original question, who did the redacting?
It’s time folks! How much of a hint/shove do you need?
You mean a real insurrection?
So sad.
Guessing someone in the house went to UCLA or Arizona based on the Rose Ball trip comment. Guessing the institution of higher learning in Tucson since it tends to be a leftist bastion and major entry point for illicit drugs and human trafficking back at least into the 70’s and 80’s.
” —How well Biden is doing in countering the inflation caused by Trump’s poor handling of the pandemic ultimately caused by the unvaccinated.”
A seriously bad case of TDS and no understanding of federalism or the constitution.
“Normie” in-laws?
If being thoroughly leftwing-brainwashed & politically ignorant is considered “normal” in our society, we are in deep doo-doo..
I do not envy you but I do respect your self-control in the presence of what appears to be a group of blissfully unaware, factually-challenged people.
Well, at least their consistent in their beliefs. Orange man BAD
The mumbler in chief good and everything that comes out of the black mirror is absolute. God help us!
That is why I am glad I DON’T LIVE IN CALIFORNIA!
Have you contacted Kash Patel?
Would he reply? If he’s smart… NO.
Just read Sydney Powell’s book re how absolutely corrupt and evil Weissmann was and is. That piece of garbage should be in prison himself
Not prison 6 feet deep!
And face down, just in case he has any idea of trying to dig his way out, as some vermin do…
Yep. Don’t feed and house them. Bury Them!
Can anyone translate what Sundance is saying here? Is he suggesting Kash Patel is in cahoots with the bad guys?
We all know Weissmann is a vile snake. Why suggest Patel or Solomon might be burying evidence without providing a motive?
I’m not suggesting SD is doing something nefarious. Just genuinely confused. Perhaps he is overworked? Or maybe I am? I don’t get it.
Patel and Solomon are saying the it came from the DOJ. Sundance is saying the DOJ was run by Weissman as Rosenstein let the Mueller team do whatever they wanted during that timeframe. Sundance has been saying it for years now.
He’s trying to point out something else. I don’t know about Patel, but remember that Rudy Giuliani said that Solomon sat on evidence that he gave him (along with Hannity).
Solomon is a fixer, I never liked the guy. We need to know who redacted it. Was Patel involved in that? Remember there is going to be more shocking revelations as evidence continues to come out. Question everyone.
“Solomon sat on evidence” == factual data point.
“Solomon is a fixer” == a guess about Solomon’s reasons for making that choice.
Obviously, there could be plausible, non sinister guesses offered about Solomon’s motivations for sitting on the evidence.
Do any armchairs know the truth at this point? Nope.
Sharing a hopefully helpful reminder that I find useful: believing a guess is instead a proven fact hinders understanding.
Understanding depends on dispassionate critical analysis. Critical analysis requires, curiosity, patience and “Its fine to have been mistaken” humility.
Live AND learn?
It was always rumored that Solomon’s primary source was Mark Meadows. Looking back on that, was Mark Meadows in position reign in the House Freedom Caucus for the GOP? Was he always with Jordan to keep him on a leash? Or were they working in unison? I always come back to Dan Crenshaw talking about pretenders, like he was above that and is just transparently a mercenary/pirate/sh*t heel.
Have never trusted Mark Meadows. He speaks when he should not like when he was talking about how sick DJT was (to the MSM no less) when he went to hospital with COVID and how frightened he was with the prospects of DJT’s illness … Meadows pegged my creep meter when he first came on the sceen and nothing has happend to change my mind about him.
Wasn’t it Meadows that said something about Benghazi investigation was all about keeping Herself from running/winning the presidency?
Who were Weissmans Puppetmasters? And who were their Puppet Masters. The Globalist Death Cult reminds me of a Russian Marushka doll that keeps respawning just when I imagine I’ve gotten to the core doll.
“For our battle is not with flesh and blood but with the….”.
Returning to terra firma, I remember reading a DM conversation between coup plotters. They were talking about a SC being appointed to “get Trump” within days and said that Mueller would be the SC.
Comey was a key player in making that happen as Comey himself admitted.
This 24/7, multi platform, interactive, “movie” that spans the globe is fascinating.
Powerful invitations to keep reconnecting my heart with Gods Love energies so He can work with me and through me are now “sent” non stop.
Thank God. Light filled hearts see more truly no matter how dark things seem.
Also, thank you Sundance.
I think multiple times the key ‘puppet masters’ were Obama and Holder.
“For our battle is not with flesh and blood but with the principalities, with the powers, with the world rulers of this present darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens,” (Ephesians 6:12).
Don’t forget Jeff Sessions. Not a particle of what happened would have been possible if Sessions had done his job. Jeff Sessions is the silent, inanimate, do-nothing point of “official leverage” UniParty needed to justify its attacks on President Trump. Sessions gulled candidate Trump into believing he (Sessions) was a stand-up guy and strong for law and order. Jeff Sessions is an even worse UniParty hypocrite than Mitt Romney. Both are genuinely despicable examples of U.S. American manhood.
Devin Nunes and Kash are close friends.
What I gather from reading his article is that the DOJ is being blamed for targeting Patel, where the finger should be pointing directly at Weissmann.
It’s easier to blame a faceless bureaucracy. Blaming someone specific might mean someone (Congress?) would then have to act on that information.
Next up?
Both Weissman and the DOJ will blame a janitor.
I fail to see why we shouldn’t blame both Weissman and the DOJ … … and a whole lot of others.
And after pointing a finger
directly at Weissman, where do fingers point next?
Puppets with Puppet Masters who are also puppets with Puppet Masters who are…..
Im reminded of Russian Maraushka dolls Are all dolls connected in an “all roads lead to Rome” kinda way? A network of Marushka doll dominoes?
Fascinating times.
When the main DOJ is complicit (I don’t care about the construct of manufactured deniability by Rosenstein) it’s the DOJ facilitating the abuse and law breaking.
There’s always someone doing something or nothing in the background (playing bagpipes, etc.).
I think what is missing here is what did Kash Patel report on during this time frame and what were his sources of information. Just my hunch. Why else would he be called to testify?
Translation, Patel like MANY is a grifter making his coin off of hopium.
John “Durham any day now” Solomon is a propagandist and a grifter who also makes his coin selling bad ideas as well as hopium.
Thank you for asking these questions! Most of the time I really appreciate how detailed and clear Sundance is in laying out all of the evidence but every now and then, I am totally perplexed and feel like I am completely missing the point he is trying to make…this post is one of those times, TBH!
I have followed Kash Patel since he started working with Devin Nunes and he seems like a straight shooter who is trying to get to the bottom of the whole snake pit that is DC, the FiB, and the Department of In-justice. I really like his “Kash’s Corner” show with Jan Jekeliec as well so I am hoping that Sundance is not implying that he is dirty?
Texican: My brain can’t handle such complexities. It needs to be broken down for me.
I thought Kash Patel was a good guy.
I never liked Solomon because I never thought he had much to offer.
HELP!
Kash was notified that the subpoena went to Google. He was notified Dec 12
It’s obvious that Trump and his team never committed any of the crimes they were accused of involving Russia, the real criminals were the investigators, the prosecutors and the DNC.
The DC Syndicate wanted Trump gone and still wants him gone.
Courts or voting/shunning won’t solve this folks!!!
However each person who chooses to do those things is doing their part to get us closer to solving these huge problems.
Team work necessary. Teams made up of psywar savvy, hope FULL, focused individuals able to resist psyop trying to DIScourage them.
When individuals allow God to work with them and through them ALL things are possible; ALL things, no matter how insignificant they may seem, will bear glorious fruits.
Spiritual Warfare. Psywars.
John McCain’s and then Rubio’s campaign teams followed by the Hag’s campaign team and picked up by the F-B-I and DoJ along with the rest of the DS after the two RINOs dropped it in their laps
Well? Do u know? Or r u guessing?
Everyone is “guessing”. Some people are better guessers than others for avariety of reasons.
My definition of ” better” == approximating reality, increasing understanding and accurately predicting future events.
Kash notified 45 days after Mar a Lago GJ testimony that this records request was made. Google sent in cover letter ‘can now tell you’ (dated Dec 12…last GJ testimony on MAL was Oct 22)
Another reason why elections are now systematically and illegally altered as needed is to keep in place or install new criminals in positions of power who will see to it that Justice for All never returns.
I know we must continue to try but I am a bit shocked how we all continue to go about our political affairs as if though 2022/24 will be different. Being very careful not to mention the name of the Elephant in the room. This is the main role of people like Tucker Carlson imo. The only real celebrity Conservative MSM guy or something. You know, the perfect big brother you never had kind of guy. Kind of like DeSanctimonious, the only Governor who stood up to the covid hoax etc.. for some reason.
The Trees and The Axe
Everyone else on the conservative side pretty much treats Herr Mueller/Weissmann as if he was doing more or less a legitimate investigation for a couple years. Sundance is the only one who has analyzed and revealed Herr Mueller/Weissmann’s true effort and purpose.
Sundance HAS been great and continues to be. Thank God.
Fortunately, he hasn’t been the only source of Light in this darkness.
“The only one” a person is aware of =/= the only one.
For anyone who likes lists, here’s a great one for Mueller, with supporting links:
https://lists.grabien.com/list-robert-mueller-biggest-scandals-and-controversies-his-career
Funny how the bad pennies keep coming back. Like John J. Ray III being handed control of FTX by SBF. First, wouldn’t the bankruptcy proceeding not the fraudster decide who was the receiver; and second, was handling Enron primarily a service to the public or the players?
I believe that Sundance is questioning — who redacted the document, based on who had control of the document at the time.
In other words, what did Kash have with him.
That’s my take.
Sundance, what do you think?
I would think Kash did the redacting.
Because _______ ?
I don’t know the process in the US but here in Oz, where I’ve issued many subpoena’s, the process would be to obtain phone, bank or other records relating to a suspect the subpoena would be issued direct to the institution (phone carrier, bank etc) and the suspect would be totally unaware and not receive any notice. Would only find out when the brief of evidence is provided to the defense after being charged. Seems totally consistent that Kash would not know about or have a copy of the subpoena until now. In his i’view he stated that this is the first he had heard about the subpoena. That leaves it up to only two groups doing the redactions, the DOJ (Mueller) or the phone company as it seems they were the only ones with copies.
It wold be interesting to know if there is any work history between Weismann and Smith (Trump special counsel). I would be willing to bet that Weismann is not just watching from the sidelines. His hatred for Trump runs deep, almost as much a David Plouffe. Weismann may not be officially involved but is likely providing lots of advice.
When Weissman was on the Mueller SC, he was working for/with the same people who are now using the Smith SC to destroy Trump and his MAGA Movement.
Look here. If there was anything unbecoming of the people involved — it was written on an napkin. Nobody want’s to be documented these days…
Let’s drill it all down to this. Yuri Bezmenov was a master at this.
Nobody that’s involved — doesn’t know what’s going on. If Kash was somehow involved, he’s not going to out himself, nor will anyone involved in his affairs. That’s the way the game is played.
It’s a game.
“Its a game”.
Everything in life that involves choices can be viewed as a “game”.
Game =/= trivial or fake.
Everybody involved knows “what’s going on”.
Real life experiences and/or sources on which this GUESS, asserted as a FACT, is based?
In my experience, access to info and awareness of what’s really going on varies alot, even in families.
Compartmentalization and access to info limited to “Need to Know Only” is common in organizations, especially competitive ones, even those that aren’t nefarious.
Example? Sports teams.
For nefarious examples I suggest reading the Twitterfiles, especially the latest one.
Hmmm…..it would be simple enough for Patel to advise that the DOJ redacted when providing the documents. It would be simple enough for Solomon to ask who redacted the documents when he received them. Apparently this subject was broached by neither of them. Strangely. By not presenting that info, it allows for the assumption of the DOJ, which would be logical, considering past events. And perhaps that’s why neither Patel nor Solomon broached the subject.
Give it up we are just sitting here waiting for the shooting to start there is no going back no fixing things nobody to save us we let them kill Superman the only thing left is to watch it all burn.
#MAGAPARTY
Thankyou.
Those who promote the blood and horror craving Death Cults “we need viOleNce” narratives rather than President Trumps messages inspire heartfelt prayers.
More evidence to add to the mountain already collected. To what end?
Sundance is saying it wasn’t the DOJ that redacted the subpoena. It was Weissman/Mueller. Attaching names to the redaction’s instead of the agency they were running. Rosenstein gave them control over the DOJ.
I don’t see this as implicating Kash Patel, or John Solomon.
The article Sundance is commenting about is referencing the DOJ as the authority to redact subpoena when in fact, It was the heads of DOJ, Weissman/Mueller.
“Here at CTH we have dropped the pretending, focus on the evidence and call the baby ugly when warranted.”
…And that is one ugly baby
Or MANY ugly babies. : ).
Someone should have been practicing birth control.
When are desserts, including “just desserts” typically served?
Last?
During the WW2 era, were war criminals “held accountable” before Berlin was captured and the war in Europe ended?
Perhaps try framing DC as our wars Berlin to avoid unrealistic expectations that make people vulnerable to our enemys 24/7 demoralization psyops on our hearts and minds.
“These are the times that try (test) means souls”.
Fortunately, tests results, when used diagnostically, can be transformative and salvific.
Operation paperclip brought a lot of the Nazis here to the US! Only fall guys get themselves killed. It’s a show.
Just like when they had public hangings. Doesn’t mean that the people they hung were really guilty.
Patton’s diary and the Eisenhower Death Camps. Both worth looking into.
I know I’m a bit naive and dense here, but why not ask Kash Patel and John Solomon if either of them made the redactions?
Who gave the the copy to John Solomon?
I’m not sure what you’re suggesting here?
The day I found out that Rudy had given John Solomon the Hunter Biden laptop info and he buried it told me its even deeper and more nefarious than we thought. And I already new it was that. Solomon owes us an explanation of why this is. It does not put him in a good light, and I have been questioning his motives ever since. Was he blackmailed? Maybe. But then, he’s not the independent journalist we thought…or that he pretends to be. And if not blackmail…then it’s even worse. I lost trust in Hannity years ago, he buried it too! He is a talking head that puts on a good show for comfortably numb conservatives to give them the illusion that, ‘we’re on top of what’s going on and we are on your side. You can go numb again now…we got this.’ The fact that he continues to have the Lyndsey Graham rhinos on, proves to me that he is either on their side…or he doesn’t know what’s going on. Ha! We know it’s not
that! I called Solomon out! Went to his Truth Social account and threw this at him and the seriousness of how this looks. CRICKETS! I no longer trust Solomon. We shouldn’t trust anyone! I think there are multiple layers installed to attempt to keep this coup of the United States under the awareness of us as much as possible. Even by giving us the illusion that it is somehow known, or turning around or we have the upper hand. I believe the thing that scares them the most is the people waking up in mass, coming together as one; and realizing what the Constitution was really written for, why and how to implement it and when to take this action. We have more power than we realize…they are trying to make us feel defeated, we have lost and we can do nothing now that they own and control even the election system. But in Truth fellow PATRIOTS, the power we weild and have comes from something inside of us that is not of the world they think they own! And that day of releasing it using that strength, that Higher power within is coming! There is no sitting around and waiting for someone to do something. It is US that need to do it by and through the power within. It must be legal, it must be right. It will be, and it’s coming, closer than we might all think or beleive. I Am never going to lose the faith and the hope the “We the People” are the “cure for this sick nation!” When we heal, we will be showing the rest of the world how it’s done. If you question this than I ask you this…how do you think that man…Donald J Trump keeps going and fighting the way he does with all that he endures from the evil they have thrown at him since day one. It’s the power of his Presence within and that he knows that without that Presence, he’s no one…just like us. He stands between them…and us. They really want us. Promises made…promises kept!
“The Best Is Yet to Come!”
Although…its going to get much darker first…but be sure…the LIGHT is coming!
Nobody gets away with anything. When the Big Books are opened, everything will come out into the open. It will be the LORD’s Wash Day. Everything, everything will come out on Wash Day. When the Good LORD has cleaning this place (planet earth), all things will be renewed, sparkling with the kind of life that cannot be corrupted. Evil will have no place.
Faith really is a precious supernatural substance. The Christ of God is the Author and Finisher of Faith. Merry Christmas to all.
Just want to point out that Rotten Rod Rosenstein’s role (in Sundance’s words) as the Shield for the Mueller Investigation is one point overlooked as AG Sessions and his successors played the same role 2017 to 2020.
While the recusals and hands-off of operations of the Mueller Investigation was the “order of the day” the AG’s office did have an oversight role that could not be abrogated …. assessing if the actions of the investigation were LEGAL and acting accordingly on that assessment. This was the nature of the shield provided by the office of the US AG to the investigation.
Tough call on the redactions, you’ve got a government, a grifter and a propagandist to choose from.
The new line from the DNC aligned communist followers as you explain the treacherous reach of their leaders is “stop being a conspiracy theorist, this didn’t really happen”
Has anyone ever said WHO was responsible for Rosenstein being Deputy AG? I know Trump approved it, but obviously he did that on the recommendation of someone. WHO? I assume Sessions, but I’d like confirmation of that. And also WHY Sessions recommended him.
If Sessions was almost certain he would recuse himself before he was even confirmed, this means he knew Rosenstein would be charge of the Trump-Russia situation.
In our hearts we know he was the one.
The GREATEST CRIME in American political history was performed by OBAMA, FJB, COMEY, ROSENSTEIN, BARR, MUELLER, HILLARY, PELOSI, CONGRESS, etc. and our CORRUPT JUDICIARY SYSTEM of judges and lawyers like Sullivan, Weissman, etc. and NO ONE is in JAIL for an ATTEMPTED COUP of a sitting President. This is PURE EVIL, CRIMINAL and TREASONOUS on the part of a CORRUPT GOVERNMENT. This was the REAL INSURRECTION!
There are a lot of layers, subterfuge, actors, agencies, etc., etc. etc. but this, I feel, sums up the overarching feeling we all have.
If Kash didn’t do it (didn’t he put the doc out there?) then it would have to be Rod Rosenstien.
Sundance, we’re going to start calling you Steel Trap. Thank you for staying on top.
Lawsuits coming from Kash & Devin…
Kash Patel: The Rogue Operations Of The Intelligence State
By Bannons War Room
Published December 20, 2022
https://rumble.com/v21lp4g-kash-patel-the-rogue-operations-of-the-intelligence-state.html
Cleaning and oiling Old Betsy.
Who redacted this document?… Kash Patel? John Solomon? or the DOJ? It matters.
When Sundance asks who with that list of names?
He might be rhetorical saying the stake holders of the redaction might be the minority member counterparts of either Nunes or Patel
What they did to that poor old man Mueller.
He was Biden before Biden!
If Kash did the redactions Trump might as well pack it in, get the rabid dogs off his back and enjoy his golden yrs because there is virtually NO ONE he can trust.
Damn sure not enough people to have an effective 2nd term