Folks, I’m not trying to bust on Ron DeSantis, I’m just highlighting the dynamic in the background to include the political players and deep connected GOP club operatives. If the truth makes me a critic, then so be it; but I’m not going to play the pretending game. Quite frankly, I’m tired of it.
Ron DeSantis is backed by the same assembly of political insiders, donors, corporations and financial backers that supported Jeb Bush. The professionally republican class know what they have in DeSantis, and he is brand organized, packaged & managed to deliver on their intents.
Former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is as dialed in to the GOP club system as it gets. Ryan’s brass nameplate is rivetted to one of the select mahogany chairs at the club table.
Speaking Wednesday at the Robin Hood conference before billionaires Steve Cohen and Paul Tudor Jones went on stage, Paul Ryan noted the GOP 2024 nominee will be “someone other than Donald Trump.”
According to a recording of his talk, Ryan named Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin, and South Carolina Senator Tim Scott as his three favorites. {source} DeSantis fighting Disney was “really good for him, from a political perspective,” Ryan said.
DeSantis didn’t raise $200+ million, with 94% coming from billionaires and multinational corporations, for a gubernatorial reelection race in Florida. Keep in mind all of the major expenses (television ads, mailers, etc.) are coming from outside PACs and affiliated groups.
DeSantis has raised a massive war chest and he is not spending it. He has willingly accepted the positioning for a 2024 nomination effort. It is intellectually dishonest not to see what the Club is doing.
The DNC Club is doing the same thing with California Governor Gavin Newsom.
The both wings of the UniParty want a Newsom -vs- DeSantis contest.
The professional political approach is as clear now in 2022 as it was in 2014 when the clubs were organizing the Hillary -vs- Jeb contest for 2016.
I like Ron and campaigned for him in 4 elections but this is a BIG concern:
“Ron DeSantis is backed by the same assembly of political insiders, donors, corporations and financial backers that supported Jeb Bush. The professionally republican class know what they have in DeSantis, and he is brand organized, packaged & managed to deliver on their intents.”
This may be one of the top most important posts by Sundance ever.
So we can say DeSantis has been a good governor, but will be a GOPe / uniparty presidential candidate. (Those things can both be true at the same time.)
Just the Pure FACTS!
Straight Out!
The bottom line is DeSantis America first or DeSantis first.
Trump: America First
DeSantis: Donors First
NO QUESTION, he’s already SHOWED it.
It’s In the Bag, same way that Ted Cruz was in 2016.
What’s with TUDOR suddenly showing up as a familiar name? When did that become a thing?
Wow, I was a supporter of DS not for President but for a VP slot. And I absolutely supported his governorship, but after this endorsement by Ryan is a big deal breaker for me. Pfft…….
I have to admit that I feel the same. I will not waste my vote on someone endorsed by Paul Ryan.
After the Pence Performance of Deception, I don’t feel that having RDS near PDJT is a good idea….
So Fox will be calling the nomination for DeSantis in October 2023?
A year early? Probably. Seems they already have.
It’s been over a half hour since you made your comment…..the “edit” feature is only active for @5min. after you post.
BTW….calling other Treepers “jerks” is the kind of language that will get you banned.
How are you banned if you are still posting?
A lot to unpack with this…
First, if RDS wants to get in front of this, he needs to tell the Paul Ryans and David Frums very publicly that they are not the type of Republicans he wants supporting him (though the correct response to Frum is…’David who?’). These are not benign Republicans…they are never-Trumpers who who and have supported Democrats over MAGA Republicans.
Second, I understand the whole, “Don’t not vote for a Republican, no matter how unpalatable, and let a POS Democrat win…but I have gotten to the point where I don’t care. The Republicans put up pieces of shit, and then tell us that the Dems are SO much worse, hold your nose, and vote.
Well, the Repubs are JUST as bad in practice…and sadly, if the GOPe supports the candidate, they’ve made the backroom deal, and we are screwed. If the candidate is actually MAGA, and I mean that in the sense of what it MEANS, not who they support, then the GOPe will try to DESTROY them, not support them. We see it in spades this cycle. The GOPe, think Liz Cheney, will support Democrats over Republicans, if those Republicans have not made the deal.
Anyway, we are too far gone to save without first going to ash, so the phoenix can rise again. It is only a matter of the velocity.
I would rather lose, and take a crack at the next cycle.
Of course, that assumes the fraud can be overcome…
Which SIDE’s Fraud are you referring to? !
A clarification…
I like RDS, he’s made some great moves. He’s also made some very suspicious moves…think the crickets after the Trump raid. I do think he needs to stay in his lane, though. He is an unknown on the foreign policy front, and we need the wolverines, especially as they will need to be cleaning up the mess left by Joebama. 2028 will be great for him to take the handoff…maybe.
No maybe about it.
DeSantis does not belong anywhere near the White House. Not now…not ever.
He’s made his choice and it’s big money and corruption.
Neither one’s anywhere near America First.
The guy loves Red Flag laws. That’s just for starters…
AMEN!. He has showed his Fabric.
He has ALREADY taken their money and made a LOT of APPEARANCES OUT OF STATE on that CASH FLOW!
More like ‘the kiss of death’.
Is the big money trading on insider information? Given that DeSantis will not challenge Trump, none of this makes sense unless the power brokers are certain that Trump will not be in the picture.
I suspect that we MAGA types are going to be offered a deal: support an electable DeSantis, and you will receive crumbs from the table. But if we continue to insist on Trump or nothing … we will get nothing.
I will take my chances with “nothing.” I will not play that RINO game.
I held my nose and voted for Lindsey Graham in 2020. I regret doing that. If a RINO runs against Satan, I am voting for Satan.
Not Me, I’m writing in Trump!
Exactly this. They’re prepping us for a consolation prize, and assuming they can manage the anger if they use their corrupt law fare to take out America’s choice… twice.
A point to ponder. It sure makes sense.
If U.S. citizens who are fed up with corrupt government and politics continue waiting for the bureaucrats and politicians to clean up the corruption…well…that ain’t gonna happen…ever. Anybody counting on these dopes for a square deal is an even bigger dope. FEDGOV puddinheads ain’t givin’ nobody nuthin. They are taking, everything, hand over fist. People need to start thinking about taking it all back from them. They take. We take back. If the upcoming election is obviously crooked, we’re gonna have to up-up-‘waaaay-up the take-back game. These creeps are playing for keeps and they don’t give a damn who gets ruined, hurt, or killed. Bureaucrats and professional pols like Ryan are enemies of this Republic.
What is a damn shame is RS blew it when he didn’t say a thing about Mar Lago. But the relationship between RS and Trump deteriorated before then. Ideally it wd hv been perfect to,see the two of them together. Trump and R S as VP. Now Trump knows RS is going to run against him and the dirt will be fly. Trump better not select Scott, or the new girl tht has left the Dem party! I honestly don’t see this ending well for anyone. I mentioned before billionaires are behind RS for President in California. For Gods sake Newsome! He is so hated in Ca. It just keeps getting worse and worse. Sundance help!
We are confronted with a problem here that admits of no easy solution. To run for President and be self-financing, you have to be a billionaire. Would you be comfortable with a Bezos or Zuckerbucks as President? The alternative is a candidate bought and paid for by the donor elite.
Given the cost of a presidential campaign, there is no realistic third option. So, I would encourage everyone here to look beyond Trump, and see DeSantis for what he really is … the best candidate, by far, that the donor class could choose if they want us to turn out at the polls.
This IS disturbing.
Ryan (Fox News board seat as his payoff, perhaps for throwing the House to the Democrats in 2018) is the enemy.
It may be that the plan is for the DNC / RNC / Deep State / CCP (but I repeat myself) to take out Trump from running (“by any means necessary”). Without DeSantis’ fingerprints on it.
Then back to the pre-Trump dynamic of head’s the Uniparty wins, tails American citizens lose (to the Uniparty).
He’s a good loser they say.
Now the shine has really come off DeSantis. He can’t be buffed enough anymore
He seemed more that ready to give up and concede to Gillum, thats for sure, he did not fight very hard at all. Trump pulled him over the finish line.
Paul Ryan?? If I were DeSantis, I would reject the endorsement. Someone may assume that he has a relationship with Ryan, which means he would lose votes.
Desantis is arresting out of state contractors trying to help with repairs!
No, he isn’t, but there are some saboteurs employed in his administration.
DeSantis should stand up and say he does not want that f$cktards endorsement
But he does want it.
People still think DeSantis will be an “independent mind”? To get the Paul Ryan endorsement is like a kiss of death. I hope everyone is paying attention to these signs before its too late. And we are yet to even scratch the surface with his foreign policy. He already threw out a doozy some months back by calling Putin a “killer”. Now, compare that with Trump, saying, “it would be nice to get along with all these countries”. 2024 is gonna be quite interesting.
DeSantis will get the endorsement of any Republican, Press Type or NGO if it is felt he will be nominated.
It is nothing more than that.
Once Trump is “out of the way” all these RINO’s will stab DeSantis in the back – hard.
You are assuming they will want or need to. That is a broad assumption.
No they won’t, because they can control him. There will be no need for them to stab him in the back.
He’ll turn on each one of them to keep a Democrat in the White House.
The good old Harlem Globetrotters from days gone by against their traveling opponents -The Washington Generals- was always fun to watch.
I remember this bit , the short un athletic looking white guy gets his shorts pulled down – Don’t remember if he has on flowered underwear for a bigger laugh ..
In a not so subtle way, Frank is inviting Ron to play dress up in his Oval Office Bedroom with Kevin and Paul.
I’ll admit, I thought earlier you could have been too hard on Ronny D, even though as others said, I knew better than to bet against you. This… is not doing anything to undercut your earlier thesis.
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Paul Ryan is a backstabbing self serving coward.
and those are his good points
But as someone said on other thread, that he is a good Bow Hunter.. – yes his preferred position is standing behind the target and carefully shielded …
And hes vewy buff and stwong too! Makes up for being a self enriching lying immoral POS I guess for some people.
notice paul ryan never sticks his head out beyond private/controlled settings? (he’d get egged otherwise)
ditto mitch.
only time McConnell shows up in Kentucky is when he’s passing out pork
The DeSantistards will still support him.
They were defending him and playing pretend on here just yesterday
He won’t be VP. Trump will never allow that again. NO RINOS on the ticket or back stabbers waiting in the wings. He’ll have to wait till 2028 and run against whoever Trump picks to be his VP. It won’t be DeSantis.
Desantis is dead to me.
I liked DeSantis until I found out he was a human trafficker.
Seriously, now we know for sure Biden is trafficking humans–he’s accusing DeSantis.
How can a Ryan- endorsed Ron ever be now portrayed as the MAGA lite “alternative’ – it means he is more like the MAGA Fraud alternative.. truth be told
Not meant as a reply
This is NOT good.
Vital Revelation of TRUTH is ALWAYS Good.
Blind and Gentile Acceptance is DEADLY.
It’s Time to DEAL with Reality – too long ignored and obscured in America.
“Recognizably normal” US politician? As in the Uniparty? If that doesn’t strike fear into every American patriot I don’t know what would.
“Recognizably Normal” got us a Fascist Police State.
C’mon, it’s David Frum. What did you expect him to say?
Paul Ryan’s endorsement is the kiss of death to the Republican base.
At least his Open Recognition of a Fellow Traveler is helping to Open some Eyes.
The Next Step in that same direction is WAY out over the Edge of the Cliff – Sailing like Susan Sarandon! FLYING HIGH!
“Paul Ryan noted the GOP 2024 nominee will be “someone other than Donald Trump.””
Why? Because you and Dominion already voted and Fox’s Decision Desk is ready to make the call? And you’ve already worked it out with the DOJ?
Paul Ryan kneecapped OUR MAGA agenda, conspired to make sure Pelosi got back the House and plotted to overturn our votes every bit as much as Pelosi, Obama and all the other Sewer City cockroaches. By his part in stealing Self-Government from the People, he is a Seditious Traitor to America.
F*ck him in particular.
He IS seriously and Constitutionally Genuinely Guilty as Charged of ALL That and MANY Many Many Tons MORE besides – Literally, Constitutionally, for Real!
God Is Moving His Hand.
Trump is an outsider, who is independently wealthy, who’s seen how the Swamp operates from the inside.
He must be stopped at any cost.
DeSantis, sadly, is under the control of the same crowd who are behind Neo Con deep mole Ben Shapiro.
Desantis took Koch money in 2018.
Seriously, how much does it take to show people this guy doesn’t belong anywhere near the Oval Office.
If it walks and talks like a duck
Kiss of death.
Listen up Floridians & RDS apologists:
RDS has NOT done/said ANYTHING that illustrates he is straight up MAGA without carefully crafted condition (GOPe tactics).
Until he can change that belief in me he’s still down the list for any future, beyond 2024, consideration.
As a Texan, he has no real MAGA draw or appeal. He may be popular in your state but don’t let that cloud the reality that the rest of the country doesn’t see him the same way…yet.
Wanna know what MAGA looks like outside of PDJT…I introduce you to Ms Kari Lake. Full Stop!
Kari Lake is the best, love her love her style and love tht she loves Trump. Pray she doesn’t enter the GOP club after she is elected Governor. Image Trump and Keri on the ticket. I know she will be Govenor but she is the perfect choice for VP in 2024
I don’t disagree at all with every point you’ve made
From your lips to Gods ears!
well at least her policy positions speak to America First….let us hold the horses for a bit and see how she actually operates
I TOTALLY AGREE!
I noted that giant hootenanny Rally in Arizona BY DeSantis was FOR HER and for Blake Masters at the RINO PAC’S Expense!
They were given small notice, even as “honored guests” and pretended they never noticed anything askew.
We shall see what we shall see!
Sundance, long time reader and short time commentor. You bring to light what goes right over most peoples heads. Anyone endorsed by RINO Ryan is in the bag. And DeSantis has a chance to be great but after ingesting your opinion of DeSantis over the last 2 months he either gets far away from RINO Ryan and is ilk or he is another one bites the dust.
Doesn’t SD mean that DeSantis wins covfefe Paul Ryan endorsement.
Meaningless. If there was any chance DeSantis would lose, China Paul would be right there with his opponent. Now he wants to make it look like his endorsement matters. Don’t fall for it.
Every time I see Paul Ryan, I can’t help but ask, “Whatever happened to Eddie Munster? I’M LOOKING AT HIM!” Just saying.
Shark Eyes!
Now that clearly has me wondering…I wanted to belive Desantis was on the up and up…
I’m sad to see DeSantis cave to the likes of these despicable RINOS, but I have to say, I’m not at all surprised.
The Devil will swallow whole anyone willing to bargain their soul for mere earthly power and wealth.
I’ll pray for Ron. Not that he wins, but that he wakes up.
Better to find it out now than later.
David Frum say Desantis is a “normal U.S. politician”…Exactly why we want Trump.
Where is he coming Frum?
Frum -“ the Tweets. The tweets ! They are hurting my ears” ~ a nobody in search of somebody…
Fee fi fo Fum
Eff yourself with a bottle of rum David Frum
It always worries me when someone screws up so badly… we are sent fleeing in the other direction… right to the other wing of the same bird.
If Dems are worried and don’t want to be represented by tweedle dumb and tweedle kamala… they need to start speaking out now!
Otherwise the flocking to the other side looks super intentional!
I don’t want either of the uniparty anymore. I’m tired of them enemies who screw me and the “friends” who stab me in the back.
Our children deserve better.
You know who else got Paul Ryan’s support?
Wow look at the way Paulie is looking a Barrie. Hmmmmmmm
Ain’t we just one big happy family!
A little too happy…
I had commented here on CTH and took some heat for saying I no longer trust DeSantis.
He has had some (not all) good governance policies in Florida. But once you accept money from the big GOPe donors, you are now their b*tch. Ain’t no gettin ’round that.
I’m with you SD. Once you’ve taken money from the devil, no good can come of it. Ever.
I’m wondering why Ryan didn’t put Pence on his list. It might be just as telling who Ryan didn’t name as who he did name. Pence might have been a big MAGA let-down but that doesn’t mean he’s aligned with the never-Trumper losers. Maybe Ryan recognizes that most of MAGA dislike Pence now so it’s unlikely Pence could win the nomination. But does Ryan think MAGA people like Tim Scott?? Can anyone name a single thing Tim Scott has done?
I had to laugh at this. While reading a recent Politico article about Scott I got to this line:
DeCasper, the first Black female chief of staff in the Senate, has worked in a variety of roles for Scott, who is known for keeping a tight inner circle. (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/04/tim-scott-top-senate-aide-00060308)
Does anyone think that conservatives are interested in “the first <fill in the blank>” ? I’m pretty sure we’re known for wanting competent people and don’t play the identity politics game, including the FIRST! game.
Edit: this is the second time I’ve typo’d my name today. 🙂 I can’t update it. Should be “fka”, not “fks”.
Considering every “first” resoundingly demonstrates they should be a “last,” yeah, I’m way tired of the ploy.
Ryan seems to think people like hum.
Scott sickens me, he is a yes man in the Club, Trump would never stand next to him. Remember Scott’s remark about Mar Lago.
“We need to let this play out…”
VP Traitor served his purpose for Ryan as a foil against PDJT for 4+ years…..he is now damaged goods and so is being jettisoned
I don’t care how well DeSantis has done the things he has done, or how well he has said the things he has said, getting the OK from Paul Ryan tells me one thing, and one thing only: DeSantis is the most skilled snake hidden in the tall grass we’ve encountered in a long, long time.
No man can serve two masters.
You either serve the people, or you serve the Elites.
No one gets an OK from Ryan unless he or she is someone “..the Elites know will serve them”.
Nothing is ‘more telling’ about who this man DeSantis is, behind the DeSantis we all hear and see, than this ‘Ryan OK’.
If anyone thinks Tim Scott is OK: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/09/senator-tim-scott-on-fbi-raid-of-trump-home-we-need-to-let-this-play-out/ Failure to support Trump, endorsement of Lisa Murkowski.
Paul Ryan…. needs a swift kick … prick despise unipary scum
Hey Virginia! How MAGA is Glenn Youngkin if he has the Paulie Ryan good unitary seal of approval?
He’s doing a better job than that Asshat McCauliffe.
I don’t think that doing better than McAuliffe is a very high bar
Exactly!
I say all of the time, when your yardstick starts in the gutter… What’s the point?
McAuliffe is a Clinton crony.
The Punk was their top bagman back in the day.
What did Youngkin do to protect the homes of Supreme Court Justices from abortion protesters in violation of Federal and State law? Answer: nothing!
Youngkin started th backtrack the day after he was elected
He didn’t wait that Long. That was only “letting the Grease Paint make-up wear off” – The Big Reveal.
Ryan’s older brother Tobin was in Youngkins section in business school and wedding party…the die is cast
Another one placed in position. Actors on a stage.
MAGA is just another word for Republican.
The logic fail in trying to convince ones self there is some difference between the two is akin to calling a dude in a dress a chick.
Things the great Tea Party farce SHOULD have taught people.
LOL, boy are you out of touch….MAGA more closely translates to AMERICA FIRST…..way too many scumbags who have sold America out in today’s GOP…..very FEW patriots in either party in DC
What a profoundly ignorant observation.
“The Great Tea Party,” the ones who gave us Mia Love and Marco Rubio and Jeff Flake, etc., yeah, you guys really know the difference between a RINO and MAGA….
And Mike Pence and Joe Walsh and Tim Scott and Ted Cruz..I could go on for a while about that.
“Great Tea Party farce SHOULD have taught people.”
It did.
The attack on the tea party taught us how EVIL the dems can be..
……. Calling a dude in a dress a chick is the new NORMAL for Democrats….
……..The DEMs have dug their own grave.
….The divided GOP party agrees on the Headstone for the Democrats..
………..“We told them they were SICK”…