It seems that “voting with your feet” (this time electronically) still works. PayPal, which had announced new “legal agreements” earlier this month, is backing down.
That sounds like gaslighting to someone who works with corporate attorneys.
Every single word and punctuation mark is approved by legal and corporate before release. “Never intended to be inserted” isn’t a thing.
— Robert Rand (@robertwrand) October 8, 2022
The new agreement, which would have taken effect in early November, attempted to control free speech by its clients. It has since been removed from the PayPal website, but as reported by The Daily Wire:
A new policy update from PayPal will permit the firm to sanction users who advance purported “misinformation” or present risks to user “wellbeing” with fines of up to $2,500 per offense.
The financial services company, which has repeatedly deplatformed organizations and individual commentators for their political views, will expand its “existing list of prohibited activities” on November 3. Among the changes are prohibitions on “the sending, posting, or publication of any messages, content, or materials” that “promote misinformation” or “present a risk to user safety or wellbeing.” Users are also barred from “the promotion of hate, violence, racial or other forms of intolerance that is discriminatory.”
As the contents of the new legal agreement because widely known, droves of PayPal customers began to withdraw their funds and close their accounts. One example:
My opinion? Find another service provider. PayPal may have been the big dog in the market, but they aren’t the only one, and who knows what they will try next. I don’t know anything about this particular company, but here is one of the companies advertising their services:
PayPal showed us their true colors. They will steal your money if you disagree with them.
This is why I created @officialpsq and why we've become the largest network of patriotic businesses in America.
Find a freedom-loving payment processor on our app.https://t.co/Hw1XckQ0nh
— Michael Seifert (@realmichaelseif) October 8, 2022
I tolerated PayPal wokeness/authoritarianism until now. Just closed my account. This is all of the proof needed to see that they are not looking to serve their customers’ interests. YIKES!
I did the same last night when I got around to reading their terms change notice. I often just ignore these things but never with payment processors. I hope PayPal goes belly- up fast!
LOL, go Woke, go Broke. But multiply that 1000% if you try to confiscate money from a US citizen’s bank account for not agreeing with your Leftist views. You will lose everything in the blink of an eye. Hopefully the Big Banks are paying attention to PayPal’s free-falling fate. It will be interesting to see how PayPal’s stock shows up tomorrow.
I’ve never used this kind of a platform but if I did, I certainly wouldn’t fall for the “We never meant to say this” announcement. Why take a chance with your money once you know how low a company will go to force their Marxist agenda on their customers?
Soon enough it’s going to be the banks themselves doing this. Mark my words.
Or even more likely, they will crash THEMSELVES trying to do it.
It will be required that you agree to these terms, or you won’t be able to open a bank account anywhere. At the company level they will require banks to do this or they won’t get the necessary licenses to stay in business.
That’s just how the left operates.
95% of people will just stop talking politics, which is what they want.
(The republican party will be 1000000000% on board with this. WE HAVE NO ALLIES.)
No doubt about it. Move out of the big banks, go local.
I live in a rural part of California. Post 2008 reforms like Dodd/Frank put our small local banks out of business.
As Sundance says, that was a feature of Dodd Frank not a flaw.
A La Justin Castro. This was a weather balloon. And it burst.
That’s why I bank with a credit union instead of BofA or Chase. Screw them.
Wish I owned some PayPal stock so I could sell it tomorrow.
What we all need are shorts.
Just bought a new 6-pack. Still wearing the old ones.
A lot of this is actually being driven by recent EU edicts vis “misinformation” and stringent penalties.
I had no money in PayPal, used it maybe once a year, if even that, for a vendor payment. I was waiting for a moment like this, to have an easily pointed-to reason to close it as a statement of disgust and protest. Just did, with great pleasure.
Now waiting for Verizon to give me a similar high-visibility reason to close the cell service.
FJB. F!@# the SYSTEM that instead of serving you oppresses you!
Same here.
i was paying my Geico car insurance bill when I saw a notice at the top of my screen extolling their commitment to ‘diversity and equality‘
so now, I am actively seeking an alternative
I use AmConnect which I get through Costco.
Stay away from Progressive too. 🙂
Dump Verizon. Fast.
Over priced and over reaching.
I switched and I feel better, plus, I saved about 50 bucks a month.
Over a year ago, when T-Mobile was going woke, I remember reading or hearing about Patriot Mobile. I happily switched!
https://www.patriotmobile.com/
I have no idea what their coverage is like, but you can check using this link:
https://shop.patriotmobile.com/pages/our-coverage
It’s as good as att and verizon both of which we’ve used to have on ex-employee discounted plans. Patriot is still le$$ and the coverage is as good in AND out of state two of them as far as 1450 miles away and in between. Promise.
We switched to PATRIOT MOBILE. Verizon is at the forefront of Wokeism and has been for over 2 decades. I was a keen observer of this having worked in the Bell System for 21 years before I was fired in 2004 for “workplace violence” ie; a bumper sticker on my car spotted by a Dick Tracy (Grade Soy) “detective” working in “Verizon Security”… who with his dainty little feet went right to the thoroughly feminized staff of activist white whimin in “Human Resources” – just as this unit had done to other employees (we knew who he was). I took it to a lawyer with a great track record and certified in in employment law who tried to make a case, but he couldn’t clear specifics sufficient enough to docket the case in large part because Texas is a “right to work” state. A statute I generally support. And still do.
Good on ya’… keep on keepin’ on.
If you are able and WILLING, for what you might consider “inconvenience”… get rid of the cell-phone too… or use throw-aways… big brother IS watching, listening, and recording… hence the fumbling, bumbling, idiot ‘Raids & Seizures’. Landlines (at the moment) are safe, as I understand it….for now.
Prediction:
This is only the beginning. We’re about to see this everywhere we look. Fines, higher prices, official “other”ness for conservative viewpoints. Paypal didn’t learn any lesson, they are just going to hide the rule deeper within the user agreement. Before we know it every transaction is going to involve some kind of “misinformation” fine.
Then it is best to get off of the platform.
Too late and too bad I’ve been with PayPal for a few decades but not any more I deleted my account and it felt good too.
They closed ranks with other woke corporation’s to protect the guilty.
My major use for PayPal was to donate to this site “The Last Refuge.” Is this site set up to use a different 3rd party payer? Venmo is owned by PayPal so what about Cash App?
I haven’t found any. But some are being launched soon: Gab, Coign, and Rumble.
I use my own CC when I go to the Donate page.
Uh-oh. So now the jackboots will slot you into non-v ram prolly under C://White_Supremaciss_CTH_Sundance. You KNOW they’re eyes on here. What they collect here and from many other sites is collected under proprietary software custom made for the NSA/CIA/DHS and of course the Dept. of Just-Us and their armed jackboot proxy FBI. Collected, stored, at the jackboot’s reference room in Utah>>>
Some of the taxpayer funded support and vendors (SOME) listed here: https://www.nsa.gov/Resources/Commercial-Solutions-for-Classified-Program/Components-List/#components-list-index
What is CBDCs?
Central bank digital currencies.
Central Bank Digital Credit.
Where you own nothing and they are nasty.
this brings up a good point.i have been with my current company for just about 30 years and up until about 3 years ago i got a check every 2 weeks ,but then it seemed like they were deliberatly holding them back a day or two to force me to go to direct deposit so i finally did.BUT now i’m thinking if it comes to the point as the canadians i would be screwed as my checks would still be deposited but i wouldn’t be able to withdraw any money.i’m thinking its time to close all bank accounts and get my checks sent to me again.might cost me a couple bucks to cash it but at least it will be in hand.
First, they are not allowed to hold back a paycheck.
Second, you can always withdraw the money right away. At least until you can get it changed to a paper check. If you cash the check at the bank its drawn on, I don’t think they can charge a fee. At least, they didn’t used to.
As interest rates go up you will see more and more of this. The bean counters rotate the money into a M Mkt account and pocket the interest. The higher the interest rate goes the longer they try and hang on to it. Everyone thinks my paycheck isn’t that big that they can make enough to make it worth the risks if caught but multiple your paycheck by hundreds if not thousands of employees it becomes very lucrative.
Back in the late seventies and early eighties I had a relative who worked for a large international company, who I will not name. He worked most of his career in the States but the last few years he worked he decided to take a temporary remote international position and his wife elected to stay state side because of the remoteness of the work site. When he worked state sides his check was deposited on the last day of every month like clockwork. Once he went overseas weeks went by and still no check. His wife called the company and got the runaround and they claimed expats pay was always slow. His wife called me to asked if I could check with the international oil company I worked for if this was normal for expats. I called a supervisor in our international payroll department and described the situation. He said we did not allow anyone to get on the plane unless everything was set up and their paycheck would hit their account just like it did when they were stateside. He said there was something seriously wrong and my relative should return home immediately and not go back until they caught up all his back pay with interest. I passed this information on. My relatives wife decided to contact a former boss of my relative who was now a high level executive with his company. After he checked into the situation he contacted the corporate auditors. To make a long story short it turned out the CFO and President of this company’s international operations had cooked up a scheme to hold all expats pay for one to two months and put the money in an offshore high interest account and pocket the interest. Interest rates were in the double digits back then. When you do this for a thousand fairly well paid expats over a year or so the interest really adds up. The whole thing was hushed up but when confronted the president of international operations confessed and gave up the location and password to the offshore account to stay out of prison and was fired. The CFO skipped the country to Brazil.
Another confirmation that “it is everywhere”. Integrity and Trust have been under attack for ages. It once was (and in my lifetime) that a ‘handshake’ was all that was needed or expected in dealing with others.
credit card processors have been doing this for years.
Remember when all vendors payment terms were net30. then the big companies started paying net45. get enough of those, then the company receiving the payments starts to pay net45 to their vendors. Like a big ponsie scheme or something. The big companies would collect interest on their money, then pay interest on the money they borrowed, then pay their bills. Then they statred paying net60. NOW we are seeing bigger companies, the ones who started this crap to begin with, paying net90 days!
What drives me nuts is, these large companies throw their weight around and dictate payment terms to their vendors. Gone are the days where WE dictate payment terms. That is, if we want to do business with these larger companies we must accept their terms. They dictate both ways, buying and selling. . It’s disgustingly arrogant of them. They know they can, so they do. Doesn’t matter to them if its ethical or not.
Or a mattress, and you’ll be happy.
and sleep well too. 😎
Amazing. When I bought my first house in Florida back in 1990 on a transfer with AT&T (version pre-woke) I paid my mortgage with money orders and did so for at least a year BEFORE I had my first checking account ever. I closed with certified checks out of me savings account. Paid the utilities and everything else with money orders and where feasible – cash. I don’t even remember if there was “direct deposit” then. I didn’t even think about getting a credit card until years after that.
Pay-Pal backed down…….with the long term sincerity of a prostitute.
I closed my account.
While stealing your wallet.
I haven’t used PayPal for a long time. I didn’t have anything against them – just haven’t used their service.
I will never use them again, however. I’m tired of this nonsense.
I closed my account over a year ago. They were not allowing certain businesses to use it (based on their political orientation for sure), so I quit them.
I hope they continue to lose customers – like Bed, Bath, Beyond did when they stopped selling MyPillows. And I could go on…
Me too.
GabPay is another alternative. https://help.gab.com/article/gab-pay-overview
Just checked Gab. I thought they another subsidiary of globohomo. Off your tip I’m liking this Andrew Torba after reading this: https://newrepublic.com/article/163285/andrew-torba-gab-white-christian-internet. And this: https://tinyurl.com/3kjaxrex
If only people would leave Twitter, too.
Go to Telegram. Go to Truth. Go to Gab. Go to Minds. Go anywhere, just get off of Twitter.
then you need to ask sundance to stop posting twitter links in his stories.
for some reason, just about every ‘conservative’ website links to twitter posts
how nice, twitter knows you viewed a conservative tweet linked from a conservative website
which is to say, when they outlaw conservativism completely, they’ll know exactly who to arrest
and even nicer, now you have twitter cookies in your browser history like little rat turds helping ”’them”’ track everything else you browse online
They already know johnny, so just be ready if they’re dumb enough to do anything about it.
Yep, that bugs me also… I (very often) just ‘pass’ on clicking on any twitter link… I obviously miss some probably interesting stuff, but I just do NOT like twit.
I closed my account Saturday. I only used it for for 2 ppl (1 being this site) at this time. They (Paypal) started way back in 2016, verbally, stating their dislike of candidate, Trump & anyone who supported him. As time has passed, Patreon, Paypal, Go Fund Me, stopped allowing anyone to send money or set up an account, through them, without their approval. (I finally just used my checking/bill pay account).
Remember how they (Go Fund Me) shut down the Canadian Truckers long enough, for the Canadian government to confiscate what was left?
Apology will not cut it. I won’t do business with any company that I have to have their permission to do business with them, due to their “politics.”
I closed my Paypal account today because of this. I set up a Gab Pay account.
Would you let us know your experience with using Gab Pay?
I sure will. It was east to set up. I only provided an email–they had the option of phone number, or email, or both.
I haven’t used it to pay for anything yet–I still need to figure that out. I’ll report back.
*easy
Will gab let you send and Receive payments? Thank you
Read an article last week, that the Chase Bank CEO is now going to be feuding with Visa/ Master Card. They (Chase) want to go with direct account with drawl, instead of using a debit card. It implied other banks are interested in this change up also. I read it in either The Epoch Times or Just The News.
Cannot remember the time when I thought of Pay Pal as “Dependable and Reliable”.
They show us what they think of us.
This is what happens to companies that live in their own little echo chamber/universe, and punish employees who speak against their woke policies. I’m sure there were those in PayPal that would have spoken up, and say something, but knew they would be fired for it.
To me, it’s insanity on full display! I would even bet that those who came up with this policy are in shock, and disbelief at the backlash!
i think it’s due to the WEF ESG scoring and probably their “public-private” (NGO and government) partnership crap. This is how they are forcing businesses to comply with their globalist “The Great Reset” agenda.
Not that there aren’t woke companies doing it on their own, but I think the majority is pushed by the WEF.
Bingo!!!! Stockholm Syndrome. Create reliant hostages, and boom!!!!
Now the intervention begins.
I really wished the CTH would get on Gab and take Gabpay
I canceled my PayPal account about 10 minutes before reading this article.
My reasons were “Other”, and I let them know I refuse to allow PayPal to take my money when exercising my First Amendment rights.
I don’t give a damn what their excuses are. I am fed up with entities believing they can just erase the rights of any Americans they please.
Gabpay was started to parallel paypal.
Do companies accept Gabpay as a form of transactional payment?
Corp Go Woke, Corp Stupidly Go Broke
Eat Shite, love AF Patriots!!
I have a small business. Very small. 98% pay with PayPal wich costs me 3.49 per cent plus 49 cents per transaction. The other 2% mail checks. Using my phone, I deposit them by taking a photo of the front and back of the check with my cell phone and submitting for deposit. Her is my question………
If I had my clients do the same, (Write a check, then email me copies of both sides, could I them deposit the copies the same way, or would there be w2termarks or something that would not copy? I have to figure out a way to dump PP.
If it is a photo it might work. Problems will arise if they scan it instead of a photo. Most checks have security features when scanned or copied, printing “void” across them or the checks we use completely remove the encoded numbers across the bottom (routing number, account number, check number).
You could try Stripe. I have been using them for a few years. They are from Canada but I haven’t heard anything negative, nor have I had any problems.
Member since 2002. Closed account, letting them know this American will not do business with a company that threatens to punish me for exercising free speech.
Used the service for occasional eBay purchases. I’m certain there are other services.
Closed my account when I saw this. Enough.
In financial terms, anyone who has an open PayPal account is exposed to ongoing financial liability at PayPal’s discretion. Why would anyone continue to maintain an open PayPal account?
PayPal is a publicly-traded stock. The “error” caused the stock price to drop, affecting all shareholders. I hope the SEC fines them. As Robert Rand mentioned in the tweet Sundance included at the top of his article, attorneys comb over all information released to the public. IMO there’s no way it was a mistake. I hope the PayPal legal department has already warned everyone involved that they need to save their records.
I wonder if this is related.
PayPal hired a new CFO, Blake Jorgensen, and his first day was Wednesday August 3. (https://www.cfodive.com/news/paypal-hands-new-cfo-6m-cash-hiring-bonus-Jorgensen/628735/)
But as of October 4 another person, Gabrielle Rabinovitch, is temporarily taking the spot. The reason: Jorgensen needed to take a medical leave. (https://www.cfodive.com/news/paypal-acting-cfos-pay-package-hints-staying-power/633317/)
I believe the news about the PayPal fines broke on Oct 2 or 3. Is it just a coincidence that the new CFO is suddenly out on medical leave just2 months after he started his job? Insert suspicious cat picture here.
Charlie Hebdo did much less…and look at what happened to them…
Maybe he had some adverse effect to one or more of the “vax” &/or boosters??
My PayPal notice arrived Oct. 5. Could it be that Jorgenson resisted the “penalty phase” and was benched and Rabinovitch took over. Monitor personnel changes in the next weeks to see if Jorgeson reappears.
Closed account. I have zero tolerance for this kind of behavior by companies. Go woke, go broke. FJB.
I cancelled my Pay Pal account yesterday – but I hit a snag – it had 49 cents left in it so I couldn’t close it.
I thought no worries I’ll transfer it to my bank account!
No can do – “Your transfer is less than the minimum required.”
I contacted them and told them to donate it to my favourite POTUS 45.
I’m an Aussie and can’t donate to US political people (I tried to donate to Gen Flynn several years ago – but it was rejected).
Anyway I no longer have a PayPal account!
So, since POTUS 45 is not currently a political figure, where the 49 cents donated?
He still has a PAC.
What are the alternatives? Is there any other processors other than PayPal that send AND receive from US buyers and international buyers? Anyone? Please reply. Gab doesn’t take international payments and PublicSq is iffy too!
Stripe takes both. They are from Canada.
Wise is good
Idiots.
Never had an account. Why, first of all, would anyone use PayPal for a bank?
Your credit card has insurance for fraud. Your real bank, whether true or not, at least has an FDIC sticker on their window.
What’s the difference?
Time to each all of these front organizations a permanent lesson.
Twenty years ago it was the only way you could pay for things semi rapidly over the internet.
Although I seldom used PayPal this gave me reason to close my account. I told the pedophile loving bastards I was closing my account and they can go have “sex with themselves” if you know what I mean !!!
Tried to close my account for an hour or longer this evening. They have either blocked closings or their system is overwhelmed. “Sorry, this is not available right now …” someone on Twitter said he’s getting the same message when he tries to transfer his PP balance to his bank account.
That development will have a lot more than fed up conservatives bailing out of PayPal. Can you say “bank run”?
This was clearly some woke ESG referee’s fever dream that went from email/text chatter and giggles to ‘hold my Kombucha’ and slipped into a draft.
But, but, now I got to read those policy notices. Actually, download and index them for analysis. \
And we need to get some good advice as to how PayPal could possibly enact such a policy without violating at least a few rules, regulations, and CFPB/FTC/etc. directives. We might get a test case up to the SCOTUS. If it happens fast.
It’s pure theft. Paypal has no right to take your money from you.
cancelling tomorrow.
I’ve been using Paypal since 2002. They’ve made a lot of money from my transactions over the years. I’m closing my personal and business accounts tomorrow.
https://reason.com/volokh/2022/10/09/paypal-still-threatens-2500-fines-for-promoting-discriminatory-intolerance-even-if-not-misinformation/
Paypal’s founding COO:
ACCOUNT CLOSED YESTERDAY
GO WOKE……..GO BROKE
Sundance, does this mean CTH’s method of donations will change? Currently, this is the only reason I use PayPal?
Not at this time.
“Lo, how the mighty hath fallen!”
Back in the days when “on-line auctions” were brand-new, and merchants and customers were figuring out how to pay each other, PayPal was also brand-new and they worked hard.
But, they didn’t stay that way.
Now, this market is much more mature and there are many players. The “eBay that gave them birth” eventually responded by cutting them off altogether. “And now, this!!”
No matter how successful and innovative your company used to be, the key phrase is: “used to be.” You CAN lose it all! And it looks to me like PayPal’s senior management is determined to do just that. 🤷♂️
Remember “MySpace?” (Does anyone on this planet remember “MySpace??”) In just a few years, your former customers can completely forget your company’s name.
The problem with “alternative” sites is that Visa and the banks can implement policies to block their money, too.
This garbage doesn’t end until the brown shirt leftists hang.
Generally speaking, “a bank” knows that it cannot tell you how to spend your money. The bank is “a neutral party” unless proven otherwise. It is not presumed to be “an accessory to the crime” if you use it to do something illegal – and it does have obligations to report you to the FBI or to Treasury if it suspects that you are. It has a duty also to watch for patterns that might suggest “money laundering” and the like. (But, anything that happens next belongs to the Justice system …)
It can decline to process a transaction, e.g. if it suspects fraud or other crime, but it cannot “punish you.” Because they do not “own” the money. They merely hold it “in trust” for its rightful owner – you.
What ‘Justice System’ please?
But, anything that happens next belongs to the Justice system.
YIKES! That doesn’t make us feel all warm and fuzzy.
which is why, when they ask you why you are withdrawing a large sum of money, you tell them to suck an egg.
PYPL down from $95 to 86 since Thursday.
$273 last October.
It hasn’t hit bottom yet, that’s for sure. I see a company that’s on its way out now. Too bad for them, because it didn’t have to be this way and it didn’t used to be. But, “bad executive management” can kill an enterprise in a great big hurry.
Just closed my Venmo account. Didn’t really use it. Venmo is associated with PayPal. I don’t like tyrannical thugs. Screw ‘em.
Eff paypal!
I just closed my PP account. Adios, PayPal!
Here’s a direct question:
Who on the Board of Directors at PayPal favored fining its users $2500 for their opinions?
Curious minds and investors want to know.
Someone who does not know the law …
https://investor.pypl.com/governance/board-of-directors/default.aspx
I cancelled my PayPal account yesterday. I used it infrequently for transactional payments. When they asked me why I was cancelling, I told them so. I also asked them if they allowed customers to use Paypal for porn, et. al as payment? Somehow, I feel like that is okay to them. Doesn’t Dorsey of Twitter own Paypal? Or maybe majority shareholder?
CLOSE IT UP:
Thanks for that!
Me done too…Bye Bye Asswipes…
PayPal has always been a scam. They carefully market themselves to look like a bank without having to follow any of the laws that govern banks, such as not seizing a customer’s money on a whim with no way to get it back