In addition to being a featured writer in The Atlantic, David Frum is a tenured member of the republican professional political class. Frum has a similar pedigree to many well-known republican politicians, and his curriculum vitae includes:
“David Frum has been active in Republican politics since the first Reagan campaign of 1980. From 2014 through 2017, Frum served as chairman of the board of trustees of the leading UK center-right think tank, Policy Exchange. In 2001-2002, he served as speechwriter and special assistant to President George W. Bush.
David Frum holds a BA and MA in history from Yale and a law degree from Harvard, where he served as President of the Federalist Society. He and his wife Danielle Crittenden Frum live in Washington DC and Wellington, Ontario. They have three adult children.” (link)
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Ron = Jeb 2.0
Really? How?
if you have to ask, you really have not followed any politics at all in the past 10 years
Sadly, u r to the Republicans what every Democrat was to obama.
“Please clap.” – JB
Jeb! Is that you?
😂
The main reason I disagree with that, well there are two reasons, is that Jeb comes from a wealthy family and his brother and father were presidents. DeSantis’ background is nothing like that.
I think DeSantis is more like Marco Rubio.
Without the foam
omg hahahahaha! I forgot about that.
Marco Rubio is a bought man. Not a good thing for DeSantis.
True. Even Marco Rubio condemned the raid of Trump’s house more strongly than DeSantis.
Even worse
“I think DeSantis is more like Marco Rubio”
You say that like it’s a good thing.
Ron Rubio… Marco was tea party until he wasn’t…Ron was America First until the raid then clearly he isn’t. Ron Haley is a decepticon until he fires a low-level judge or …. well Ron Pence we’re waiting!!!!
“I think DeSantis is more like Marco Rubio.”
And what a terrible comparison, if true. Rubio is the very picture of a bought-and-paid-for RINO.
Oh, noooo…David Frum? I thought that guy had fallen off a cliff. Must’ve been a pleasant daydream.
And his big endorsement for a candidate from his own supposed party, is how nicely they’d slink off when defeated?
LOLOLOL!!! Please, someone, push this turd off the edge. He’s a Democrat.
Sundance, you have completely fallen for the left’s attempt to dive MAGA. Thanks 007!
Good thing you are so smart and in-the-know to keep us from falling for it. Geesh.
It looks to me like Karl Rove might be trying to indirectly undermine both Lake and Masters by inserting wedges in a clever three-step process (1) falsely taint DeSantis as a RINO, (2) use this RINO theory as a wedge between MAGA supporters and DeSantis, (3) given DeSantis’ very public support for Lake and Masters, use this as a wedge between Lake, Masters and MAGA supporters, turning the latter against the former.
If these wedges succeed at remaining in place, candidates Lake and Masters will certainly lose their elections. Isn’t this the clear motive behind this attempt to alienate DeSantis form the MAGA movement?
In my view, Lake and Masters are the real targets of this Rovian propaganda! We are only months away from the biggest congressional election in memory. Rove and company have tried every trick. This is his last-ditch effort, i.e. make MAGA voters believe Lake and Masters are really RINOS in drag.
Consider that DeSantis may also appear in support of many other important MAGA candidates. Wouldn’t it be great for Karl Rove if DeSantis lost credibility as a MAGA proponent? I think so!
All I can say about Frumm’s endorsement is that it’s no different than Spencer’s Trump endorsement. It’s a free country & if the endorsement wasn’t solicited & isn’t acknowledged then it’s just the endorser blowing wind.
As for Lake & Masters… along with Vance, the RNC isn’t supporting them. Yes, the establishment WANTS them to lose. They’d rather empower communists than accept the choice of the people.
My fear was that it would be MAGA voters, not just the R establishment, that would turn their backs on Lake and Masters if they fall for this rank propaganda that DeSantis is a RINO or anti-Trump.
As I pointed out, because DeSantis is now slated to appear at rallies in support of Lake and Masters, I fear that MAGA voters may end up believing that Lake and Masters are also RINOS or anti-Trump?
My belief is that’s the strategy we’re witnessing.
We shall know them (Lake & Masters) by their fruits. There is no fruit until after the tree is planted.
As for rank propaganda… are you certain it’s propaganda? Grave violations of the Constitution happened in FL under DeSantis’ watch & he has said & done virtually nothing. Even State Rep Anthony Sabatini called for the FL legislature to cut ties with the fblie & DoJ. DeSantis? His silence is deafening. That’s fruit.
Did you mean to reply to me? I’m not Sundance, far from it. I have respectfully disagreed with SD and lived to survive (I still have the scars).
If you’re implying that Frum is MAGA, and Sundance is trying to divide the base here, then you’re hopelessly lost.
Would you like to expound?
I am not a clapping seal, but I think Sundance is onto something here regarding DeSantis.
I don’t think (obviously not that it matters) Sundance wants to take away what DeSantis has done locally for FL. But I agree with Sundance on leadership quality and identifying him to be GOPe – and if I may add a splitter strategy to divide the MAGA vote- and keep the Uniparty bird flying by losing in 2024.
For everybody forgetting Sundance propping up DeSantis before the MAL debacle, they need to go back to 2016 and remember how Sundance identified the splitter strategy and explained in simple terms.
I think Sundance and his
team are one of a kind brilliant analytical brains whom can see around corners and are almost prophetic in predicting what will happen next (North Korea – the missile rattling will stop, Pelosi’s lawfare strategy
when dims won the house – he predicted in Dec – Jan what she will do in April to July timeline, food prices and most recently Manchin will sign the build back better crap).
Obviously he has been wrong many times too but I will agree with his analysis on DeSantis.
Sidebar-I doubt we will ever see the like of President Trump in our lifetime again- willing to fight for we-the-people even though only a brain washed liberal zombie will not agree that President Trump is fighting against, and still standing tall if I may add, the most supposedly “powerful” and corrupt intelligence apparatus the world has known. If we-the-people won’t stand up for him then he will end up like Saddam, Gaddafi, etc. Mark my words – this is the uniparty and deep state’s end game. They have tried cheating at the ballot box against President Trump and to their chagrin, it only made him stronger and more powerful than if they would have just let the legit 2020 election result stand. So now what is left for them to do next? The raid on MAL is pretext to what they want to do to President Trump. Just ask Saddam and Gaddafi if you have any doubts.
Back on topic: Don’t shoot the messenger (i.e., Sundance and his analysis about DeSantis) just because you don’t like the message.
The onus is now on DeSantis to prove that he is not GOPe and one of the feather of uniparty bird and I must say that in past 7 days he has failed spectacularly to prove that.
My conclusion: From this episode I think it is fair to say that DeSantis cannot take even 1/10th of the deep state heat of President Trump. He will fold before even the deep state will turn on the stove. I pray to God that I am wrong for I was looking forward to see him as President in next couple of decades.
I totally agree… SD is all about “information “…and his/her opinion… IMO I welcome SD’s analysis even if I’m not sure I agree.. I can research the “evidence “ presented and come to my conclusion.. the yellow flags simply are caution bumps…
Neoliberalcons are going through an identity crisis.
They shift from left to right every generation.
From Cheney’s Neocons to Zelensky’s Neolibs.
My opinion only.
“I have been a neo-Marxist, a neo-Trotskyist, a neo-socialist, a neoliberal, and finally a neoconservative.”
– Irving Kristol, Neoconservatism: The autobiography of an idea
“If Liz runs for the Republican nomination in 2024, I’ll donate. I’d vote for her in the VA primary if it could make a difference. But I’m doubtful that will be the case. I think it’s more likely that in 2024 I’ll be voting not for a Reagan Republican but for a Zelensky Democrat.”
– Bill Kristol March 15, 2022
“Neoliberalcons”
That’s really good. I salute you. Let’s make that stick.
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2022/08/were-winning.html
Holy mackarel. Here we go
What he means is, “When we cheat Desantis out of the election he won’t have the support and resources of Trump to hold our feet to the fire.”
That’s the angle they’re coming from, imho. Not full-fledged support of who he actually is or would do FOR them.
Frum implies that the UNelected powers-that-be support candidates they can control and manipulate. If DeSantis is *not* their anointed one, and they *withdraw* their support, they expect him to step aside quietly like all the other RINOs.
This suggests they already know he is *not* the fighter we need to make AMERICA great again.
I don’t know anyone who disputes that Governor DeSantis has done great things for FLORIDA. With assistance from his MAGA legislature, DeSantis can certainly make FLORIDA great again.
Why doesn’t he prove it by eliminating Florida’s rigged voting terminals? Now THAT would be the shot heard round the country!
I think using the adjective “great” attached to some of the Gov actions in FL is a bridge too far……he has at best done HALF measures on two of the most important issues since he came into office……election integrity and immigration……to continually inflate his accomplishments does not fool anyone familiar with the facts
Who the hell wants a normal US politician. I voted for Trump because he wasn’t a politician. Something I’d been waiting for for over 35 years. How many politicians promised to deal with the open border and did nothing, promised to do away with ObamaCare and didn’t. And on and on and on.
As a Perot supporter who strongly believes that politicians have taken the greatest country in history and turned it into a third-rate banana republic, I agree with you that we needed to give a professional businessman a chance at the helm. And what did we learn? Trump had a lot of great ideas, but he did not have the connections that would allow him to staff the WH and the departments/agencies with trustworthy people. He was forced to govern by EO, and the reforms that he carried through were just as quickly reversed by FJB.
This boils down to the age-old argument about the Perfect vs. the Good. DeSantis is not Perfect, but he is electable, and he has a team ready to hit the ground running. Even if we assume that Trump can win (not a given), what evidence is there that he has assembled a team with the political connections and smarts to get the job done? Executive Orders can only take MAGA so far– and it isn’t nearly far enough. To succeed, Trump will need to bring people in who have mastered the legislative process. Where are they?
Well, they don’t exist, period.
Exactly !
And Trump is a businessman.
Has DeSantis ever had a real job? He seems like a career politician which is even worse!
Other than military?
He is very used to–
Taking orders.
Which could also mean, all uniparty cheerleaders, were never legitimately elected unless unopposed.
That might explain why Brandon’s conservatives(BrandCon) are all announcing themselves.
-Never Trump Die-Hards to Poll Biden-Romney Vs. Trump in 2020
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/12/nevertrump-poll-test-establishment-ticket-versus-trump-democrats-2020/
XX, aka Double-crosser.
JMO, whenever you see an image or video of de-san-tis, visually put a
XX on his forehead to remember his double-crossing of President Trump and MAGA.
This is a technique recommend by Rush (RIP).
First of all, I’d like to say I never liked Ron Desantis after his campaign commercial talking about Trump and walls while pretending to play with his kid. It really put me off because of all the other so called “conservatives” that sold us conservative values on the campaign then sold us down the river once elected. I voted for Ron because I had no other choice, but I knew from day one he was just walking the walk in order to run for president. From that first Israel trip early on in his Governorship, it was clear to me he would just say and do anything in order to get the big job and after that, just be a George Bush or (pick any Bush)
Just like I’ve always known, He was a big Trump supporter when it was popular in order to get what he wanted and now is trying to distance himself from Trump to again get what he wants for himself.
As a Floridian I fully acknowledge he’s done so pretty good things for my state when it was popular to do so when Trump was around to lend him a spine, but watching him distance himself from Trump only solidifies my initial evaluation of him. He’s a person willing to just play along in order to get what he wants and will change as the political winds change. His agenda will be the most popular agenda to achieve his personal goals. Sometimes that will work in our favor but in the end will only work in his.
I have to agree with sundance on this one. If we want to keep Ron working for the maga agenda we need to keep him at Gov level or less. Ron is all about Ron and his aspirations and goals. We in Florida get some benefits from that while he’s faking us out, but the best thing to do is keep him out of a national race because he’s just like sundance said…not worthy.
Of course Ron the Trump dependent candidate could always come out and defend the man that made sure he got elected in the first place and give us some confidence that he’s still on the maga side. Ron still has time to right the wrong he’s created. Let’s hope he does although it wont mean much now. He’s pretty much proved he will shift with the political winds to suit himself which is what I always knew about him before I had to hold my nose and vote for him the first time.
When did DeSantis ever distance himself from Trump? I think you’re making stuff up.
Has he mentioned his name as far as the raid goes? Has he claimed the FBI went too far in his own state to personally target Trump and it’s wrong? Am I making that up?
August 8th and everyday thereafter, for starters.
Hmm… have you been asleep since August 8?
Vigiles24, go back to the older articles about DeSantis and read the articles and the comments. There are like 5-6 things that we are noticing about DeSantis that isn’t good for the MAGA movement.
One thing I had posted was a transcript of the end of an interview DeSantis had with Glenn Beck. Beck as DeSantis to describe his working relationship with Trump. DeSantis babbled on for several minutes about all sorts of things and never answered the question and didn’t mention Trump’s name in his answer or anywhere else in the interview that I heard. That interview was pre Aug 8 too.
Now I’m wondering exactly when was the last time DeSantis said the name “Trump”. 🙂
‘When did DeSantis ever distance himself from Trump? I think you’re making stuff up.’
Bad guys win when good guys don’t stand up to defend. Think about Uvalde- the cops had the guns and even the bad guy with the gun in their cross hair. But every body knows what happened when the supposedly good guys,with the resources to stop the bad guy if I may add, did nothing. (I am extremely sorry to bring up the tragedy but, contextually, I believe the analogy is relevant)
Taking donations from the corporate and professional political donors who want Trump out would be a good start if I wanted to distance myself from Trump.
Thank you. Yes Ron D trip to Israel is immediate red flag as all of our politicians are owned by them. How many pictures of our so called leaders do we need at the wall? Not the one on our southern border by the way as we have plenty of money to give to Israel for their wall just nothing for a wall of our own that will slow the destruction of our nation. Israel pushes immigration to all western nations. His anti “bds” legislation? Freedom of speech?
Any politician that refuses to praise Israel blindly and beg at AIPAC for support will get mine. Or we could just give them more billions and all of our tech that they sell to the Chinese. Israel spies on us and other nations constantly. All wars after 9/11 were for Israel. Israel is the only thing both parties always agree on and they are not our friend, they are our politicians masters. It’s clear to anyone willing to look. They play the long game and desantis is just another illusion of choice. Trump played their game but his instincts were still on our side with at least immigration and middle class growth. He barely spoke of immigration towards the end though which is what everyone should admit won him the presidency. I will vote for trump for a third time and hold my nose for Ron D. if necessary but it may be too rotten for voting to get us out of this mess. I feel like we have to try a little longer because people aren’t ready to do what is necessary yet.
“Thank you. Yes Ron D trip to Israel is immediate red flag as all of our politicians are owned by them.
Hitler is blogging from Hell.
I checked back to see what type of reply I would get for speaking the truth. What do you know, the same old leftist response. You cannot refute what I said so you turn to name calling and ridicule. Have you ever looked into or thought about what I said? Some people are receptive because the truth is in plain site but most are scared to accept it. Look deeper than breitbart and Ben Shapiro buddy.
DeSantis took the safe route going after Disney, total Bushie move probably found Jeb!’s old playback nothing courageous total wimp move.
Protecting kids from groomers, porn and woke indoctrination. Keeping CRT out of schools. Parental bill of rights. All of the above was so doggone popular, no push back at all, none. No spine on the man.
Firing a woke AG, get outta here a 1st grader would do that.
Buck the feds on vaccine roll out priority, masks, school opening, testing, monoclonal antibody centers……yawn what a little wimp
Laws protecting citizens from riots. Come on man antifa is just an idea.
Yep John you have DeSantis’ number he definitely leads from behind🙄
For those challenged by discerning what is or isn’t sarcasm, you have just read sarcasm.
I am still fuming about his AZ “performance ” Sunday.
If there was a drinking game-take a shot for each time DeSantis said Florida-after 5 minutes everyone would have been passed out stone cold on the floor !
Florida banned CRT this year. Arizona banned it-last summer!
Mandates- we opened up after COVID hoax about same time Florida did!
Our State workers were not mandated to take the shot!
Blah..blah..blah
I could add more….
He was like the obnoxious neighbor who got invited to dinner at your house .
Horrible! Just rude!
I was wondering while watching- he is running unopposed…who the heck is he campaigning for?
It certainly wasn’t for Kari Lake and our other MAGA candidates in our primary in Nov.
He has been a great Governor for Florida. He will be even better his next term.
We did more than he did as Governor of Florida…and battling election fraud and a border invasion at the same time.
My Republican State legislators wrote up the
bills and my Governor signed them.
Same as what DeSantis did.
I agree DeSantis and his MAGA legislature do great things for Florida. He is best suited as Governor and should not make any moves against President Trump on the national scene.
THAT would be pandering to the NeverTrumpers and others who feel that the swamp will certainly support a kinder, gentler MAGA President. (They will not.)
no 2020 audit….electronic machines still in use….no ACTUAL action about illegal alien dumping by the federal government in the state
Hear hear! He’s doing good things because he has a good legislature pushing him to do good things.
He only won because Trump held rallies in Florida and endorsed him
President Trump is the one who pulled him across the finish line.
THIS!!! I am also a (new) Florida resident and like what he has done for the state but lately he seems incredibly insincere…maybe that is because SD opened my eyes so wide…RD will do what benefits RD. the fact that we benefit in the state of Florida is a bonus, but not his main goal….
Do the majority of the readers of this site get what Sundance is showing in this article? I don’t think so. There are so many idiotic comments in this thread about Frum and a lot of DeSantis taint licking. What Sundance is building is a solid case showing DeSantis has flipped (for money) or has been compromised and is likely working for the GOPe. It is all begining to play out just like Sundance outlined a few days ago. Who cares about Frum, we have to watch DeSantis like a hawk now.
I get it and not to make light of what sundance is pointing out, but I’ve always thought this of Desantis even when Trump backed him and make sure he got elected. I love me some Trump, but his trust in people sometimes backfired and you cant blame Trump for reaching out and trusting. it’s the backstabbing snakes that need addressing.
The $$$ politician corruption is so invasive maybe Trump is chosing the less of two evils. That’s the reality of what’s available.
Would you have rather he said nothing and you would have the coke head running your state.
JMO, de-san-tis has probably employed the services of a GOPe “troll chaff team” …..
They probably form the majority of the pushback to Sundance …..
Not so much out of ignorance, but out of a $$$$$ paycheck.
Sorry Cactus, you are as vapid as your dry name. I’m no troll, nor paid a penny for my opinion. Yet you and others love to make huge wide swipes at those who disagree with the premise promoted here by Sundance; for whatever reasons he believes DeSantis pissed in his cornflakes.
But if you must, keep on blustering. All this is doing is dividing us.
Sorry icthematrix,
You were not mentioned as a troll.
There was no need to jump to that conclusion.
There are plenty of great posters on CTH, you may be one.
Have a great MAGA evening.
“Let’s go Brandon!”
Thanks and apologies for my edginess in response.
Well done Cactus!
Remember this is just getting started.
The points Sundance has made are very solid. He never criticized DeSantis until August 8. Look at it dispassionately, set your emotions aside. It is what it is….DeSantis has sold out.
This is just starting!
You don’t have to get all outraged.
A good reference would be the “discussions” that were had during the 2016 election here at the Treehouse.
And the ones about Jeff Sessions! Barr and Mattis. And of course the Mueller and Horowitz.
This is just the beginning ! The campfire hasn’t even started yet!
We have a search box. Check it out. Then if you think you have the intestinal fortitude to stick around-please do.
The articles Sundance writes are to educate, provoke thought and discussion. He teaches us to watch closely. Compare notes .
And by the way–DeSantis “pissed in my cornflakes ” last Sunday when he came to Arizona.
But I always encourage everyone…stick around-be nice. Most of us are big on education. Oh…and don’t forget to check out the search box.
I find it very strange you would popup with this, you were never called out by name.
Several Points:
1) Its August 2022, the race isn’t going to start till summer 2023.
2) The standard rightwing behavior is to latch on the some “savior” early in the process based on a few conservative actions or speeches. Usually, no one looks deeply or critically at “The savior”, instead we’re assured “he’s our guy”.
3) When Sean Hannity, and Conservative Inc. are cheerleading for someone – look out!
As for Desantis, he’s done some good PR moves that look fine, especially compared to other R Governors. But he’s not been voting on Foreign policy or Federal issues. We were told that George Bush, a Texas Governor, was a big-time conservative. And he wasn’t. We were told Mitt Romney, and ex-Governor, was “Conservative enough”. And he wasn’t.
Trump, who was initially lambasted as not conservative enough, a former Democrat, etc turned out to be the only real conservative since probably Dwight Eisenhower.
I would say DeSantis is being deliberately promoted, and he’s into it too. That’s what worries me. If Trump had announced that he’s not running I wouldn’t be so offended. But it appears Trump will be running, so why is DeSantis campaigning for 2024 already?
Bingo……Agree.!
How about this. The left and the Lincoln project have been trying to divide and conquer MAGA for well over a year. DeSantis bashing comments have been popping up for months on various sights. Flame wars between supposed DeSantis supporters vs supposed Trump supporters.
For a time Citizen Free Press comments were completely infected with the above. Someone claiming to be on team Trump threatening to “burn” DeSantis, claiming to have a file folder of “the goods” on him if he didn’t “back off”.
Some of the main stream sites picked up on a rift. Finally both men went on record that there was no rift between them. Things calmed down for a bit and now they’ve heated up again.
This is divide and conquer, United we stand, divided we fall.
We need to stop with the circular firing squad. How about we concentrate on the upcoming election. I personally don’t think DeSantis will run in 2024, but if he does we’ll cross that bridge then. He’s polled at what 20% give or take in straw polls. Trump is around 70%. Doesn’t sound like Trump has much to worry about and doesn’t sound like a DeSantis campaign will get very far, although it would go farther than a Liz Lincoln Cheney campaign.
I just don’t get why everybody is so worried about 2024. Why people are worried about a potential Trump challenger. I think DJT can handle himself and dispense of any competition.
As for taking money from donors, newsflash most politicians do. Trump is a rare bird and even he took some money from large donors in the general.
Good comment. Trump is a rare bird indeed. Do we really want to limit the presidential pool to billionaires? Who here wants to see Gates in the WH? Zuckerbucks? Bezos?
A link please,Somebody
“Trump is a rare bird and even he took some money from large donors in the general.”
Correct.
I think the majority of CTH commenters are not DeSantis fans.
We see the big global donors, corporate media talking heads, uniparty, rinos, and all the corporations and people who vote against America First coming out of the woodwork this week for DeSantis. This is the Bush, Clinton, Obama, Cheney, Romney, Rubio, Haley, Scott, Graham, etc. cabal. And some people just still don’t get it.
Unbelievable how they fought against Trump. Yet, some think DeSantis is oblivious of this. They want him to stop Trump. The problem is the ones controlling him with the money donors will own him. So, we can’t have MAGA with a Deep State controlled DeSantis in the WH.
He is being managed by the professional political class and there is no turning back. The corporate media and politicians all jumped right in within 24 hours of the illegal raid on Trump. They are so pathetic. Nikki Haley did the same thing with her campaign as soon as the 1st impeachment whispers started.
Doing the same destructive things, with the same destructive people in your corner and expecting different results is insanity. These next few weeks are going to be interesting. I sincerely hope DeSantis proves me wrong.
Unfortunately, the room is getting swampy with all the snakes I see moving in. It’s like the saying, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” That seems to be the Decepticon motto. “We have to watch DeSantis like a hawk now.” Watch his show. Should be similar to how George Bush rallied the country after 9/11. This time, I for one won’t fall for it.
The ability to lose gracefully is in the job description. See the Manual for RINO in Good Standing, page 666.
Hahahaha! “Recognizably normal”. These people are insane!
He doesn’t really want him to win, just run. He said he would accept defeat more easily. What a joke!
Recognizably GOPE-compliant.
From everything I’ve seen of the man so far, I have no complaints about his governance. I don’t believe, however, that 2024 is his time. That’s all Trump all the way.
Agree with you, 2024 is Trump’s provided he wants to go back to the DC cesspool.
DeSantis should he win a second term will leave office January of 2027. The timing is just about perfect to run for whatever office in 2028.
The more they push DeSantis, the more I dig my heels in! Maybe that’s what they want. President Trump is going to have to present one hell of an argument if he decides not to run. Because, if I believe he is forced out and DeSantis is the “chosen one” screw that!
Does anyone care what frump does?
As a part of the bigger picture, yes. It’s the grand promotion of DeSantis as the 2024 savior and replacement for Trump, according to the promoters. Charlie Kirk refers to DeSantis as “America’s Governor” and says DeSantis “has become the model for a new conservative movement that is willing to stand on principle and to actually fight on behalf of the values of his voters.” New conservative movement? That’s TRUMP’s MAGA movement which is still very much thriving! And TRUMP is the one who has fought so hard for citizens of the US. Kirk acts like Trump isn’t even in the picture at all. That bothers me greatly. Ingrates.
At this point in time, though, WE will not “go peacefully”. Screw that!
I won’t.
And there it is
What if….Suppose Trump were to intend to endorse for every congressional district and every senate seat in play. Candidates with the Trump endorsement have met phenomenal success in the primary season. In cases without an endorsement, voters would be encouraged to write-in “Donald Trump” as a protest vote. (They would still vote for other preferred candidates up and down the ticket.) This approach gets the candidates to seek Trump’s favor and to align their goals with his. Sure, some Democrats will win some seats, but it helps focus the party. If GOP wins he house there could be a ready made agenda to execute and a significant opportunity for accountability in the 2024 primary season, if endorsees don’t live up to their endorsement.
I think DeSantis can be a malleable asset for the WEF. He plays it like a politician.
Americans are tired of politicians. We want people to serve and then return to run their business or whatever. No more lifetime politicians.
So no I would not vote for DeSantis. I VOTE for President Trump.
Any compromise is dangerous imo and a terrible mistake for any of us to look at alternatives.
Period.
What an idiot this crumb is . Desantis would get eaten alive in the general. Florida still hasn’t solved its own voting problems. We need President Trump.
Ron is no Jeb 2.0. It would not surprise me one bit that the GOPe would latch onto anything to stop Trump. Dragging DeSantis into a fight he has not expressed any interest in joining nor has Trump is their tactic to help stop a Trump return. However, Trump’s ego would no doubt rear its head were the fight for the nomination to commence. DeSantis is being baited into the fight. I hope he chooses not to accept it despite his impeccable qualification. This is a fight for America. Any contest for president must take second place right now. We must purge the GOPe and it has begun and will continue under Trump’s leadership. Ron is a shoe in for 2028 if he continues what he is doing.
It would not surprise me one bit that the GOPe would latch onto anything to stop Trump. Dragging DeSantis into a fight he has not expressed any interest in joining
I’m certain that the GOPEs didn’t latch on to DeSantis but they are now managing him, and DeSantis is totally into it. He wants to be President and (this will inflame the DeSantis fans) he’s willing to climb over Trump to do it. Trump, the person who is a major reason why DeSantis won his Florida Governor election.
What is this a hedge on inflation,
“it despite his impeccable qualification”
been saying since day one….. Ron DeSantis is the Never Trumper’s MAGA vote/movement splitter of choice.
all the gushing media coverage putting R.D up on a post above all should of told you he was the selected turtle.
Exactly! It’s frustrating that some are not seeing this.
“Maybe you don’t like DeSantis’s manner or record, but he’s a recognizably normal US politician. If defeated,
he’d go peacefully.” (D. Frum)
Mr. Frum,
If we “don’t like his manner or his record”, why would we vote for him (RDS?
Here’s the part you don’t get: “we are fed up with” recognizably “normal” US politicians.
Please refer to Wyoming’s MAGA-Republican Candidate for U.S. House, Harriet Hageman. She’ll bring you up to speed.
Sincerely,
Ultra-MAGA-America
“Maybe you don’t like DeSantis’s manner or record, but he’s a recognizably normal US politician. If defeated,
he’d go peacefully.” (D. Frum)
If I was on the fence at all between President Trump and Governor De Santis, the above “money quote” would convince me – I am voting for Trump!
David Frum “Ron DeSantis will let us cheat !”.
Correct.
Shorter Frum: Ron DeSantis–Beautiful Loser!
Gracious loser … with all the decorum of McCain and Romney. That is Frum’s fervent wish. And hope. He said it … I didn’t.
“If defeated, he’d go peacefully”….That’s the problem…Whereas Trump’s nefarious family is his problem…
If we wanted a President who rolls over we would have elected Pence. lol
I say no….NEVER…. to VP Traitor
IMO, this is the GOPe trying to A) divide MAGA and B) select a candidate that they may have more hope of controlling – someone who needs GOPe $$$$. If DeSantis decides to run against Trump, then we will know they were successful. Until then, it’s a lame GOPe strategy to regain control.
So guilt by association from a has been? Come on…you should be better than that…
In other news President Trump just endorsed his impeachment manager Dan Goldman and Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D of New York. CNN at 11….
So Frum endorses DeSantis as someone who will fold quietly when cheated. That tells us more about Frum than DeSantis.
I’m sorry, but you CANNOT lay claim to MAGA cred later without tangibly and loudly supporting Trump now when he needs it the most.
These so called Republicans who are silently letting this happen to Trump thinking there will be no blowback upon them once Trump is out of the way, are going to be sent packing Liz Cheney style, with the only difference being perhaps that they won’t as closely resemble Dick Cheney in Rachel Levine drag when they go down in electoral flames.
We just want pleasant losers. Winners are so problematic.
lol
This DeSantis worship that is being pushed at us from all angles in conservative media now is so sickening to me. It isn’t veiled…it is in our face. The anti- trumpers are swarming and it is so scary. After having Trump as a president I don’t ever want to have another ‘politician’ in the oval. Find a person who has lived life as an American business person who has had to ‘deal’ with other busineses, and other countries, on a high level for decades and is proud to be American. That is a president – executive in charge.
A politician is needed for the Legislature not the executive branch. DeSantis may know how to Govern state government and the politicians he has to work with. But have him meet China or Saudi Arabia or Mexico for that matter and I would be totally afraid of the outcome as he would only be able ‘deal’ from his experience with what his advisors told him.
Oh it is looking dire indeed with these Turning Point USA rallies. Not good at all. DeSantis is no president I’m afraid.
Good post..
I agree with you AZ., in that I never want to see another politician in the White House after having a businessman like President Trump… MAGA
Condolences to DeSantis
I wonder- did David Frum and Ron DeSantis attended Yale- at the same time.
We must take a lookie loo at the wife – as well- Danielle Crittenden Frum.
My God people, don’t you see what they are doing?
Isn’t it as obvious as it can be what is being played out here? The strategy was being promoted on leftist Reddit pages, and various people are taking turns now.
So, for those who don’t get it, here is the strategy:
USE KNOWN SUSPECTS TO THE CONSERVATIVE CAUSE TO PROMOTE DESANTIS AS THE ALTERNATIVE TO TRUMP. This will cause great suspicion, discord, and damage the Governor in his current race, as well as for the future. BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE MORTALLY WOUNDED PDJT, AND HE WILL BE ELIMINATED FROM RUNNING! Since they believe this, they want to TAKE OUT THE MAN RUNNING SECOND IN POLLS.
My sadness remains that Sundance chronicles this now daily. Having said that, I reiterate that I want President Trump to run and win. I believe if he runs DeSantis will NOT. Pence, Haley and Cheney certainly will, and THEY want DeSantis out of the picture. THEY are part of the cabal who believe PDJT will be convicted and restricted from running.
All I ask is that we all STOP making judgements right now. Observations, of course….fair concerns, yes. But these nuke shots and absolutes play right into their hands.
I am no troll, no servant of anyone but our Lord Jesus and my family.
DeSantis is running, and is actively involved in undermining Trump. He would not be doing what he has after August 8 if that were not the case. It’s glaringly obvious, folks.
DeSantis is promoting himself.
This is the second time you come up to to tell us you are not a troll ,with no one calling upon you, so sit down and raise your hand.
I’m voting Trump.
Setting up DeSantis to lose gracefully in 2024. An endorsement by Frum should just about lock up defeat for the GOP.
When DeSantis loses … he’ll go away quietly. There. i fixed it for Mr. Frum.
Because if the GOPe maneuver Trump out of the equation … I’ll not be voting for President in 2024. You’ve been warned.
Does Ron DeSantis have ANY clue about the Rust Belt or Middle America and the economic needs in order to revive it?
You can not have a service based or tourism based or Wall Street based economy for the whole nation. I think those in the Sun Belt or East or West Coast lose track of this. You gotta build things here. You can’t depend on your whole economy with Asia making things.
Donald Trump flipped places like Youngstown, Ohio, to the Republican Party. I know. I was at the rally in Youngstown.
The GOPe model of offshoring, forever wars and screaming culture wars (with no real resolution for positive change) on the Sean Hannity Show is as outdated as 1990’s grunge music.
We are battling people who want a Chinese model of large corporate monopolies and a repressive government in America. Canada is a similar model for what they want.
The American Communists and their corporate friends have a media that invests heavily in China and expects a Congressional bailout of newspapers and legacy media (much like Canada) against us.
We have Hollywood which makes much of their money in China against us. We have Communist government agencies and employees against us.
The Bush GOPe, of which Ron DeSantis seemingly has connections to, is not the answer.
This is not the time for offering sweet tea or Bible verses to those who oppose us.
This is absolute war.
So what’s it gonna be?
You want more GOPe. I’ll pass.
Give me mean tweets.
And Arizona did just as much as he did.
And we were battling election fraud at the same time.
And our “tourists ” come from our Southern border.
Our “tourists ” cost us money and resources. That has been an ongoing battle.
He is not-all that. He just never found a microphone he didn’t like.
I am not impressed.
He has been a great Governor for Florida.
He will be an even better Governor his next term.
Frum reminds me of “Republican” David Brooks.
exactly!
what became of that fellow?
In other words, he’s part of the establishment UniParty swamp that we’re eliminating.
A David Frum endorsement is the same as getting a social disease on your face.
DeSantis needs to stand up and say he doesn’t want an endorsement from this murdering, war monger (Canadian).
“If defeated, he’d go peacefully.”
geez.
Now I like DeSantis less than before.
Remember how McCain would do election commercials promising to build the wall then did nothing after getting reelected to Senate? Recall how George Bush senior quit campaigning for a second term and handed it to Clinton. Remember McCain throwing the campaign to Obama?. Who can forget Romney disappearing a month before the election? Forgive my apprehension of DeSantis.
I was done with politics….President Trump descended the escalator in Trump Tower with Melania. Talk about a revival. What a powerful awakening. What a valuable education.
Never in my lifetime had I seen a more UNwilling Presidential candidate than George Bush Senior “running” for re-election … I was so disgusted by his capitulation that I voted for Ross Perot. That vote I made for Perot informed my vote for PDJT. I found the courage to vote AGAINST the GOPe
And then he endorsed McCain in his senate race.
Anyone who would so misjudge the loyalties of the Republican MAGA base that he could even consider opposing Trump in the 2024 primary has no place in any presidential race. If he would be disloyal to Trump, he would sell out the American people if the incentives were right.
Trump/Anyone 2024
Well said … and logically true
David Frum— Yada yada yada and Desantis will leave when ‘defeated’.
Speak a little louder for the kids arriving late… SMH.
“If defeated he’d go peacefully.” IOW, they either have something on him or he’d get “10% for the big guy”. No thanks. I’ll stick with “orange-man-bad-mean-tweets” Pres Trump.
“Normal US politician ”
That says it all!!
Key words, “a normal US politician.”
Frumberg gave a bit of the game away here. Not only is this “conservative” endorsing DeSantis, he is doing so by rationalization that when DeSantis loses the general, he will step aside quickly.
Sundance is slowly building a believable narrative, but I’m not there yet. DeSantis is DeSantis and Frum is Frum.
And DeSantis’s is improper grammar, but David Frumpy doesn’t care about any of that.
The Frum endorsement is, “We’ve gotta have anyone other than Trump in 2024.” They think they can control DeSantis, willing or not, because he isn’t independently wealthy enough to say I don’t need you, or your stupid games. If Trump wins in 2024, DeSantis stays in FL and builds trust as a true MAGA to run in 2028, do you think Frum would endorse him then? Not if he turns out to be a legitimate Swamp Slayer II. Who knows?
I’ve read/watched/listened to everything ‘Ron DeSantis’ for the past several days.
Sundance, as usual — has this nailed.
As such, it makes me sad. Disappointed.
Ron DeSantis is a GREAT Governor for Florida. Many, many other state governors should have been following his lead.
That said, it is unfortunate for not only the State of Florida, but also the entire nation — as Governor Ron DeSantis ‘apparently’ has Presidential ambitions.
And that is where the disaster begins.
IF Ron DeSantis would just stay as a phenomenal governor of Florida — all would be good.
And! — if he only realized it — all would be good for him as well.
Presidential ambitions by Ron DeSantis himself will be the ‘death’ of him — as well as out country.
Well he was only “leading” like that because that’s what these “rising stars of the GOPe” always do before the next big election. Full of piss n’ vinegar and doing all of the things people want and looking like a perfect candidate for president. All while the GOPe is in the background funneling money into various groups to get the guy elected.
DeSantis may actually be a decent guy, but my bet is that he isn’t. We’ve seen this movie before, several times. In reality, there should be no question of Trump being the nominee unless he himself said he didn’t want it. The fact there is this ground game for DeSantis tells us all we need to know.
And yes, that does mean that a snakey Republican can be a fantastic governor or senator if they need to be, and know exactly what they should be doing in those roles to make people love them…and willingly refuse to do so if they aren’t bucking for a nomination in the future.
Have we all seen this movie, the one where Florida more or less stands alone against a sea of pressure to toe the line on masks, jabs, lockdowns, persecutions, not only prevailing but prospering?
I find it more likely that such obvious GOPe moves like a Frum blessing aren’t more intended to sour *us* than to woo him. Way too early to earn him any net positive were he to contest Trump, and very visible to the patriots.
Kind of like a David Duke ‘endorsement’ trotted out at the appointed hour.
Time will tell; and after the last week any serious attempt on his part to run against Trump would be telling, because the only way to run against Trump at this point would be to adopt the uniparty/Dem basket of lies.
No, we havent seen that “particular movie” before, we’ve just seen similar ones, where a governor bucks the feds and then (un)surprisingly runs for president a couple years later.
Seriously, are you new to politics, or is this your first time around?
lol….we should welcome them into the fold as they come
Have we all seen this movie, the one where Florida more or less stands alone against a sea of pressure to toe the line on masks, jabs, lockdowns, persecutions, not only prevailing but prospering?
But Florida isn’t the only state that is doing well in those respects, and DeSantis isn’t the only Governor making good decisions for the people of his state. But he’s the only one we’re hearing about. He’s being pimped by media, left and right, and by anti-Trump donors and pundits. In mid-2022 for a 2024 presidential race.
It’s a coordinated effort by some anti-Trumpers to push Trump aside and sell someone else as the new/improved replacement. They’ve chosen DeSantis … and DeSantis appears to be fully on board.
Meanwhile Trump hasn’t gone anywhere, hasn’t announced whether or not he’ll run, and the MAGA movement is extremely strong (the primaries are good evidence).
We are being sold DeSantis and many of us aren’t buying. In fact I’m so irked by the lack of respect for Trump that I’m saying at this early stage I will NOT vote for DeSantis in any presidential primary. If he becomes a GOP nominee I’ll only vote for him to try to prevent a Dem from winning.
Ugh, once again I intended to italicize the top line, it’s a quote from Mouse’s comment.
Good for you!
You may not be consistent in your positions but you’re certainly courageous!
Your take no prisoners approach will backfire. You have slim idea what really transpires in the background at the very upper reaches. It’s infinitely worse and more complex than you can imagine. You don’t think most of us haven’t been having these very same conversations in our local and community klatches for several years now? You don’t think there are professionals from every walk of life who see what has been unfolding and discussed various response scenarios?
Sooner or later the grand posturing will devolve into real action. PDJT cannot do it alone. Acknowledged or not, Sundance’s Paul Revere message this morning that encapsulated what is being discussed in the klatches noted above is going to play out its logic. The “Rebel Alliance” or whatever moniker suits the PR end of this is going to have to be broad based and, dare I say it, somewhat tolerant/inclusive. Reality is that resistance is building now mostly because of the incompetence and destructiveness of the threat. Think of it in the context of the military’s ROMO curve. If the oppression and lawlessness of the Left’s “forces for goodness” persist, Sundance’s implied “this is likely to escalate” will move strategy, operations and tactics into a very different realm.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
>It’s a coordinated effort by some anti-Trumpers to push Trump aside and sell someone else as the new/improved replacement.
I agree, but not necessarily with the following statement. We will see. I also agree with everyone that has suggested that, should Ron run against Trump in 2024, it’d be intended to be destructive of our movement. For the same reason I would not want DeSantis as a Trump VP (thinking Reagan/Bush). The R is always encouraged to have a softer squishier VP whereas Ds have long specialized in having seconds whose potential ascent terrifies everyone.
>Trump hasn’t gone anywhere, hasn’t announced whether or not he’ll run
It’s my opinion DeSantis should keep trying to be the visible other guy. Should DJT choose not to run for whatever reason — is there another second in the wings? Absent one, the uniparty will certainly get its way.
“Should DJT choose not to run for whatever reason – is there another second in the wings”.
Absolutely theres a ” second in the wings”.
How’d ver, he’d only step forward and only be unifying and viable IF the Swamp schemers prevent President Trump from OFFICIALLY announcing what’s long been obvious; his 2024 run to return to DC to reclaim the WH for “We the People”.
And no, that guy is NOT Ron or any other politician.
For what its worth, the same Establishment Republicans who hatched then hyped the DeSantis 2024 scheme have always viewed Youngkin as their backup in case Ron doesn’t pan out.
For them, part of their De Santis hyping op, besides using it as a psyop to sow doubt about Trump and undermine him with repetitive talking points, is to gather Intel on Trumps base and more normie Republican/Conservatives.
They’re seeking weak spots to exploit ie future psyop attack vectors.
All Red states did almost all the same things, Funny how ONLY Ron DiSantis was singled out and Spotlighted. And David Duke is just a Nationalist not the racist he is portrayed as by the MSM, unlike Robert Byrd who is a Klansman. David Duke was ostracized by the ENEMEDIA and folks Ate it all up. Yeah, I called that lie out.
Keln/my sentiments exactly. No way I trust DeSantis.
He’s a great governor in the prime of his life role as the Governor of Florida. Will he succumb to greed and vanity and prematurely pursue the title of POTUS before his time is ripe.
He has great work to complete for the People of Florida.
Will he betray them when they need him most for the malignant ambitions of the Trump haters?
Arrant hypocrisy.
All these posts in this thread are unadulterated feces. You can’t thread this needle. Either DeSantis is a Uniparty controlled Judas or he isn’t; either DeSantis is a fraud or he isn’t.
The unspoken position by folks in this thread is “DeSantis is good enough for the rubes in FL. But make no mistake, he is another suborned creature of the Deep State/Uniparty who cannot trusted.” Follow out the implications of your positions to their logical conclusions and act consistently. I personally have no problem with that. The position being proposed here is basically more situational relativism.
Don’t become what you claim to detest.
Either DeSantis is a Uniparty controlled Judas or he isn’t; either DeSantis is a fraud or he isn’t.
What’s up with the black-or-white thinking?
DeSantis can be a fundamentally good person who has been drawn away by the promise of money and power.
DeSantis is good enough for the rubes in FL
I can’t speak for everyone else but that’s not what I’m thinking. I have even stated multiple times that if I were a Florida resident I would vote for him because I think he’s done a good job and I don’t want a Dem to be Governor. I’m not a rube.
We don’t need yet another President of the United States who allows himself to be controlled by big $$$ donors. We’ve had enough of them. That’s why Trump was so amazing.
And now I think I can speak for the others: If we can get Trump, or someone like Trump, then we don’t want DeSantis.
Well meaning binary thinkers, the “either/ors”, trap themselves in mind prisons.
While inmates they give wordy lectures to strangers they imagine they know.
Of course the imprisoned “thinker” knows these strangers definitely need to be educated; by him. So he obliges and the lecture begins.
Reaction to unsolicited, pedantic lectures: Unpersuasive “unadulterated feces”?
Trust no one in government.
Let us not Forget that “JEB!” Was also a Florida governor. Could Florida have cleaned itself up that fast? I’m not sure.
No republican in modern history has crossed big business or the woke industry. DeSantis is the first to do so. We haven’t seen anything close to this movie before.
You worded that so well. So many of us remember vividly the burn we suffered during the active Tea Party days, when the GOPe hitched its wagon to the Tea Party horse, then promptly shot the horse once it reached DC. I want to like DeSantis, but his aspirations are far too evocative of the Tea Party exploitation, which morphed into MAGA exploitation. The bad vibes are here, again.
Personally, Im viewing the “DeSantis Hype” as an invaluable Intel gathering opportunity.
The Establishment is so desperate to Stop Trump, that some of their more embedded operatives are starting to reveal themselves.
However, since election results, especially whether Trump backed candidates and most importantly Trumps SENATE candidates win, will have a huuuuge impact on what the Swamp does, that’s my FOCUS for the few remaining weeks until November 8.
They’ll be the death of DeSantis, but not of our Country. God Is with us, With Those of Us who choose God’s Side on the issues.
NOT my own tastes – but God’s.
He’s made them Loud and Clear.
Spot on. At this juncture, Ron can do far more to advance the American Experiment by remaining in Florida and exercising the 10th Amendment to its fullest by continuing to nullify the over reach from DC.
Of course, he won’t become rich in Tallahassee.
Trump stomps DeSantis in any honest, legitimate primary election. BTW who the hell is David Frum anyway and I should care what he says about this because???
Because he’s a Canadian and went to Yale and Harvard, along with University of Toronto. Further info:
David Jeffrey Frum is a Canadian-American political commentator and a former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, who is currently a senior editor at The Atlantic as well as an MSNBC contributor.
That’s why! Respect your betters! /sarc/
Ohhh, the recent polls are now showing DeSantis tied with Trump or even leading. lol Shades of 2016, “Trump can’t win”, “Hillary has a 100% chance of winning”.
The people pimping DeSantis really do think we’re stupid.
CTH has gone off the deep end.
DeSantis bad because
He tweeted disapproval of FBI raid on his personal twitter account.
He MAY run for president.
He MAY take money from big GOP donors.
Now he gets some rando’s endorsement.
It all adds up!
sarc off.
It’s silly.
Nobody is asking the right FING question. Did RDS REQUEST Frum to endorse? Did RDS seek Frum’s input?
Duke endorsed PDJT during the presidential campaign. PDJT repudiated it.
We aren’t in a presidential campaign.
Why is RDS being held to HIGHER standards than PDJT was?
It looks like they are doing what Trump did and endorsing the other sides candidates, but they don’t understand that Trump was Trolling the Dems. Lefties are not that bright. For all we know DiSantis found out about the “endorsement” the same time we all did. Just an observation…