New York Governor Kathy Hochul called a special session of the state legislature after the Supreme Court knocked down their firearm restrictions. The new law, which passed both chambers of democrat-controlled government, takes effect Sept 1st and is unlikely to hold up once challenged in court. The new law is stunningly over the top.
Keep in mind, when writing the majority decision Justice Clarence Thomas concluded there was no historical requirement that law-abiding citizens show the kind of special need for self-defense required by the New York law to carry a gun in public. Indeed, as Thomas wrote, there is “no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need.”
The latest effort from the New York assembly is outlined in an Associated Press report which includes:
(Via AP) […] Among other things, the state’s new rules will require people applying for a handgun license to turn over a list of their social media accounts so officials could verify their “character and conduct.”
Applicants will have to show they have “the essential character, temperament and judgment necessary to be entrusted with a weapon and to use it only in a manner that does not endanger oneself and others.” As part of that assessment, applicants have to turn over a list of social media accounts they’ve maintained in the past three years.
[…] The bill approved by lawmakers doesn’t specify whether applicants will be required to provide licensing officers with access to private social media accounts not visible to the general public.
People applying for a license to carry a handgun will also have to provide four character references, take 16 hours of firearms safety training plus two hours of practice at a range, undergo periodic background checks and turn over contact information for their spouse, domestic partner or any other adults living in their household.
[…] Under the new system, the state won’t authorize permits for people with criminal convictions within the past five years for driving while intoxicated, menacing or third-degree assault. People also won’t be allowed to carry firearms at a long list of “sensitive places,” including New York City’s tourist-packed Times Square.
That list also includes schools, universities, government buildings, places where people have gathered for public protests, health care facilities, places of worship, libraries, public playgrounds and parks, day care centers, summer camps, addiction and mental health centers, shelters, public transit, bars, theaters, stadiums, museums, polling places and casinos.
New York will also bar people from bringing guns into any business or workplace unless the owners put up signs saying guns are welcome. People who bring guns into places without such signs could be prosecuted on felony charges.
[…] Gun advocates said the law infringes on rights upheld by the Supreme Court. “Now we’re going to let the pizzeria owner decide whether or not I can express my constitutional right,” said Sen. Andrew Lanza, a Staten Island Republican. “This is a disgrace. See you in the courts.” (read more)
New York state government is nuts.
Whats the next right that they will need to verify…voting?
Countess Hochula sucks the lifeblood out of the 2nd Amendment.
Who would have ever thought New York could find a politician worse than Cuomo?
I knew she would be worse. Just look at her face. Normal people don’t have faces like that.
Carrot Top does!!
The plastic surgeon asked her what type of face she wanted. She answered Clown Face.
That is a female version of the Joker!
Never post those types of questions to their downward spiral as they will take the Challenge and try their best to prove they can do worse time and again.
the non urban areas of ny state should secede from the state, form a militia, and cut off travel and commerce to nyc and the capitol.
You’d have to make a corridor from NYC up the Hudson to Albany, joining the small bulb of Albany to the large bulb of NYC. Maybe Long Island could secede and join Connecticut.
Unfortunately, Connecticut isn’t much better.
Why? Keep them separated – easier to take them down.
This is the 2nd time I’ve seen “GZ.”
Sorry, it’s probably obvious, but would someone explain what GZ means. Thanks.
Ground Zero
Thanks! I figured it was obvious.
What part of “Shall Not Be Infringed” in the 2nd Amendment do these wana be dictators not understand?
Since elections are not a factor anymore I would expect the SCOTUS to eventually be packed with one or two more Ketanji Browns over the next 4 years. Effectively putting Barrack Obama and his heirs in charge of the highest court in the nation.
Legislation like this in N.Y. wouldnt get passed the supreme court now but they are prepping for the inevitable. Conditioning peoples foreign minds to think this is normal.
For it to have to go that far to begin with its clear to me the end of whatever once made this country great is very near. Only good I can get out of this is that its obvious the SC is not completely compromised yet but with out the ability to remove the parasites peacefully through democracy, its just a matter of time. There is a internal civil war under way at the SC. Its a coup. The imposters are supported from parasites planted inside and on the outside. If media hadn’t been commandeered long ago, the light would be shining on it.
It will take years for this to make it through the courts. So nothing changes in NY.
So it’s essentially the same NYS law the SCOTUS just struck down.
No, it’s far worse. The concealed carry law the SC struck down did not contain provisions about no gun areas. You could carry almost anywhere.
Yes, but almost no one could get a permit to carry in the first place.
The Supreme Court will have to spank New York State once again, but how long will that take? NY District Courts and the Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit are filled with Chuck Schumer-approved liberals, so I don’t think those courts will help.
No self defense on….. Public Transit? Where you would need it most in NY? Yeah, “nuts” is the correct word.
Businesses that post a sign saying guns are welcome will be slapped with an endless stream of sales tax audits, Building Department violations, fire safety violations, and Health Department violations. And for good measure: blind, deaf and dumb 911 operators.
More hokum from Gov. Hokum??
I object to Justice Thomas’ characterization of our Right to self defense as “constitutional right”. Words matter and this implies the “right” is granted by the Constitution. That, then, becomes a “privilege”. Had he written “constitutionally protected right” I would be in agreement.
Because so many believe that our Rights are granted in the Constitution (thanks public schools) it’s important not to reinforce the misconception.
Like when Tucker spews on about our “democracy”…
It’s a constitutionally PROTECTED right in that the constitution carves out an area where Congress is specifically denied the power to legislate.
Even though you’re right about the religious and philosophical basis that inspired the founding of the United States and its constitution, the issue of what God grants or doesn’t grant goes too deeply into the theological.
Political life would, ultimately, veer into a debate about whether the establishment of a state-sanctioned religion is, or is not, also a right protected by God.
Many theocracies have done that very thing for the same reasons.
The founders courageously took up the difficult challenge of transliterating a universal belief in a Deity into a civil codification of fundamental rights which even non-believers would and could adhere to.
In the end, by making reference to rights that are constitutional (as opposed to God-given, protected rights) citizens will know and understand that life in a civil society such as ours, which places the citizen as sovereign, not a deity or creed, will be governed by a civil authority, not an ecclesiastic one.
Lastly, abortion proponents also use terminology very similar to the notion of ‘fundamental rights’ whereas opponents caution that this presumed fundamental right is not in the Constitution AND IS THUS NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT PER SE and thus deserves no protection under the law.
“ In the end, by making reference to rights that are constitutional (as opposed to God-given, protected rights) citizens will know and understand that life in a civil society such as ours, which places the citizen as sovereign, not a deity or creed, will be governed by a civil authority, not an ecclesiastic one.”
Nope, the Self-evident Truth of the Creator God’s existence and his good pleasure in the life, liberty and prosperity of his creatures forms the basis for the Declaration of Independence.
The Declaration of Independence is the lens through which the US Constitution is read.
Paul, writing to the Romans states, “All authority is of God.”
Both church and state’s contingent authority are equally subject to God’s sovereign authority.
Theocracy places church over state; caesaropapism places state over church. They are alike illegitimate forms of authority.
“Had he written ‘constitutionally protected right’ I would be in agreement.”
You have the right idea but “constitutionally recognized” is the correct phrase.
The constitution does not protect your rights; you do . You have to continually remind the courts and legislatures what their legal limits are.
Yeah, drives me crazy that he keeps saying so.
He also calls the democrat party, the democratic party. There’s nothing democratic about them.
Remember that Hochul called a special session of the legislature to get this enacted.
I told my husband we have to get out of New York. And we have no guns. We love our house and garden and, because of where we live, will never be able to afford anything nearly as nice elsewhere. But Hochul is a lunatic and totalitarian who apparently thinks she’s God. When the legislature withdrew a bill to forcibly quarantine anyone who may have been exposed to a communicable disease, she had even worse regulations added to the health department, backed by police power and with no limit to how a long a person can be taken from their home and, essentially, imprisoned.
She is basically Whitmer the 2nd
Australia has been doing this for over a year
Sadly the current government politicians and officials do not fit their own characterization with the requirements met for
“the essential character, temperament and judgment necessary to be entrusted with a weapon and to use it only in a manner that does not endanger oneself and others.”
And as the politicians that are supposed to represent We the People have their corrupt hands wrapped around the throats of the citizens while their jackboots keep stomping the faces endlessly … they need to be removed from office that is more dangerous to the masses than firearms.
RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
Interesting discussion
https://www.rokfin.com/post/82543
Kathy is a lizard person.
Like Icke’s lizard people?
Because NY can’t take an L they’re going to antagonize scotus into declaring constitutional carry nation wide.
Yes.
Popcorn time.
Soooo…the baby killers must be assured of your moral fitness to carry a firearm?
For too long the dopey loser Repubs in NY state have under estimated the fascist Hochul, deriding her as just another housewife from Buffalo who Cuomo chose because he thought she wouldn’t be a threat to him.
Little did he or any of the others realize the truth- she is a power mad, seasoned political operative, further left than anyone imagined.
Also, she is being manipulated by the higher ups in DC.
Our only hope in NY is for Zeldin to somehow get in. But that’s a whole other story.
Violation of the 4th Amendment.
And, “Guilt Until Proven ‘Innocent'”.
Will this commie dictator and governor require her NY felons and prospective criminals to do the same? What a hellhole!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is an evil dictator. Their unconstitutional 2A “law” gets beaten down and they come up with even more of a fanciful unconstitutional “law”. On to the next beatdown of unconstitutional NY laws.
It’s comical, that a state run by so called leaders, that lack moral courage and are beyond corrupt, would be questioning the character of Patriots.
Not only would I never move to NY, I don’t ever want to even visit there. What a bunch of morons.
FJB
I regret I just saw this thread (battling COVID) and I have to go out. So I apologize if this has aleady been said. “The process is the punishment”
Hochul looks like Carrot Top…. and is just as stupid…
So basically, she wants New Yorkers to only be able to carry you concealed firearm around you block and then back home you go! Gee.. it will fun to just to travel to NYC to walk along back alleys only and not enter into any shop.
Mark my words, the SC is not going to sit by with their thumbes up their asses on this. Thomas made it clear that if the SC was needed to “straighten out” the wackadoodles likes Hockul, they would regret it. I’m praying for a complete wiping of the 2A law books for good.
In NY state? Not in this lifetime.
They know it’s unconstitutional and against the ruling from the SCOTUS.
Yet, they don’t care.
and now we wait for the court challenge.
New York state government is nuts.
Kathy Hochul is nuts. In many ways she resembles Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
If you can get out of the state of NY do so ASAP
But do you think that those government employees that get to review the conduct and judge whether a person has character, have themselves been forced to provide same?
hope the voters strike ol’ kathy down come november.
Someone buy this woman a better pair of eyebrows.