New York Governor Kathy Hochul called a special session of the state legislature after the Supreme Court knocked down their firearm restrictions. The new law, which passed both chambers of democrat-controlled government, takes effect Sept 1st and is unlikely to hold up once challenged in court. The new law is stunningly over the top.
Keep in mind, when writing the majority decision Justice Clarence Thomas concluded there was no historical requirement that law-abiding citizens show the kind of special need for self-defense required by the New York law to carry a gun in public. Indeed, as Thomas wrote, there is “no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need.”
The latest effort from the New York assembly is outlined in an Associated Press report which includes:
(Via AP) […] Among other things, the state’s new rules will require people applying for a handgun license to turn over a list of their social media accounts so officials could verify their “character and conduct.”
Applicants will have to show they have “the essential character, temperament and judgment necessary to be entrusted with a weapon and to use it only in a manner that does not endanger oneself and others.” As part of that assessment, applicants have to turn over a list of social media accounts they’ve maintained in the past three years.
[…] The bill approved by lawmakers doesn’t specify whether applicants will be required to provide licensing officers with access to private social media accounts not visible to the general public.
People applying for a license to carry a handgun will also have to provide four character references, take 16 hours of firearms safety training plus two hours of practice at a range, undergo periodic background checks and turn over contact information for their spouse, domestic partner or any other adults living in their household.
[…] Under the new system, the state won’t authorize permits for people with criminal convictions within the past five years for driving while intoxicated, menacing or third-degree assault. People also won’t be allowed to carry firearms at a long list of “sensitive places,” including New York City’s tourist-packed Times Square.
That list also includes schools, universities, government buildings, places where people have gathered for public protests, health care facilities, places of worship, libraries, public playgrounds and parks, day care centers, summer camps, addiction and mental health centers, shelters, public transit, bars, theaters, stadiums, museums, polling places and casinos.
New York will also bar people from bringing guns into any business or workplace unless the owners put up signs saying guns are welcome. People who bring guns into places without such signs could be prosecuted on felony charges.
[…] Gun advocates said the law infringes on rights upheld by the Supreme Court. “Now we’re going to let the pizzeria owner decide whether or not I can express my constitutional right,” said Sen. Andrew Lanza, a Staten Island Republican. “This is a disgrace. See you in the courts.” (read more)
New York state government is nuts.
It was discovered that British General Gage had ordered the seizure of cannon , powder and stores from the towns of Lexington and Concord.
Several riders were sent out to warn the surrounding countryside by Paul Revere and The Committee of Safety.
( I dont know if she is related , but many in gov. have bloodlines that are. )
Hochul is connected to people in the Banking cabal, I was IG follower of a woman from NYC before who was a philanthropist she was married to the Chair of JP Morgan Chase…. they are best friends with Hochul, (and knew her before she was installed) while being big anti Trumpers. It’s not a coincidence.
Okay. So civil war it is. God speaks and the demons say, “We will not serve.” So what else is new?
This is the government you get when they control(steal) the vote. Perfect example!
This will be ruled unconstitutional.
Right – but I am running out of lifetime waiting out the lawfare. Good bye NY.
Yes, but how long will it take? They can recklessly make these unconstitutional laws very quickly, but it takes far longer to undo them. Meanwhile, our rights are cast aside.
Yep, and every last one of those scum know it. On both sides. And all profit from it. That’s what America is. Its best and brightest conspiring against our God-given rights and freedoms. Our enemies. I won’t mourn their deaths.
So why should a people be forced to suffer such illegal orders while they wait once again for “clarification”? They are purposefully doing this in defiant acts of treason. (Stupidity, which it’s not, is not an excuse for criminal activity).
Time to arrest, charge, try, and prosecute all these traitors that keep pushing, voting, passing, and installing illegal orders masquerading as law that harm the citizenry.
Make accountability count again.
Please don’t say we voted for this. There are no free elections.
Hochul was installed by the banking cabal.
Living in New York State without punching anyone in the face should be enough proof of having “the essential character, temperament and judgment necessary to be entrusted with a weapon”.
NY state is considered enemy occupied territory.
New York’s old law was unConstitutional, so they’re passing an even more unConstitutional law on the same subject…Check…Commies are completely lawless and respect nothing, and will destroy this society…Suit for an injunction against this piece of cr*p will be filed almost immediately before it takes effect…
Do you see what is happening ?
Several states want gun owners to pay for special insurance. They further want to hold a gun owner liable if that gun is stolen and used in a crime.
Then California DOXXES gun owners , opening up the databases for anyone to snoop on.
CA . is not the first time this has happened. — See where it’s going ?
Mass doxxing, while itself bad in principle, and wrong, is an equal opportunity sword. The hundreds of law enforcement and judicial members who were also doxxed are testament to that. What is seen is never unseen and the internet remembers forever.
Information warfare, like real warfare, cuts across all lines, and we’ve yet to begun to really fight, rather are simply standing around taking casualties. That won’t last.
What exactly is so unclear about Thomas’s opinion, that you don’t need permission to exercise a Constitutional right?
If or when a Constitutional. crisis exists, the power reverts to the people. Of course, we need to stand up and take the fight directly to the enemy. It doesn’t just happen. The tyrants do not fear us. We can change that.
The way I see this working out in NY State is that they refuse to prosecute criminals so that criminals will have a clean record. Sure, their social media will be full of BLM, antifa, F*#@ Trump, hate white people, and hate America rants BUT those are admirable qualities in their book of “What’s Correct and What’s Incorrect”. In the meantime law abiding citizens will have a clean record for a time but soon Social Media “fact checkers” will notate their abusive history of mis, dis, mal-information. We all know what that will entail initially. BUT it will morph into “loving the US Constitution, against abortion, wanting to uphold the Bill of Rights” and more. Since they have J6 as their template for “proving” that those kind of people will commit Insurrection Against the Government they can now deny you a gun and eventually, take any gun from you.
Exactly 💯 💯
The requirement noted in the article headline is directly out of the Federal Government’s, especially the DODs’, “loyalty check effort” from Spring 2020 when the National Guard occupied DC.
Federal Agencies were coming social media accounts and actually sending Guardsmen HOME and putting Federal Employees on furlough.
This effort to handle gun owners is allot wider than gun owners and 2nd Amendment removal.
Besides the “volunteered” Social Media accounts, the would be gun owner’s accounts will already have been swept by the FEDS and the State of NY would have rationale to deny the permit as well as spring a perjury trap.
She didn’t “buy in” to anything. She is Selling the democRat Bolshevik Shiat.
DemocRats are Bolsheviks hang em high.
Yes. I also heard somewhere that supreme court justice Elena Kagan is a descendent of bolshevik leader Lazar Kaganovitch. I’m not saying I know it to be true but they do look similar. These people control our govt. especially on the democrat side.
So this asinine law was passed and this week the state of California leaked all of the personal information of CCW license holders. Keep it up libs. The more of this I read about it I’m reminded of Mel Gibson in Braveheart as everyone is in position just waiting.
precluding guns from schools, universities, government buildings, places where people have gathered for public protests, health care facilities, places of worship, libraries, public playgrounds and parks, day care centers, summer camps, addiction and mental health centers, shelters, public transit, bars, theaters, stadiums, museums, polling places and casinos, is just about ALL inclusive. seems to be an outright ban of guns. Even if not a ban of guns in public, the law makes all these places “gun free zones” and, therefore, vulnerable to the criminals, who don’t obey any laws anyway, including gun laws
If anyone doesn’t think leftists and other uniparty actors instigate school shootings and their idiot Democrat supporters don’t get gleeful the higher the count of dead kids well they haven’t been paying attention.
You don’t have to find proof that they arm, encourage, brainwash these shooters – the proof is in the actions of law enforcement (all levels) when it happens. In Uvalde and Parkland, law enforcement were clearly waiting around as long as possible to respond so they could get as many dead kids as possible for political propaganda.
They’re counting on expanding the court with liberal judges.
the process is the punishment….
Yes. They do not state HOW LONG it will take for them to exam your social media accounts. I am certain that the Social Media Fairness Checkers will deny you once they see a pro-America, pro-second amendment, and pro-Trump posts or likes. They may have an appeal process that will cost you major $$$ and take years to get your final “NO”. But they will advertise how easy the long, arduous, futile process will be.
Unless there are metal detectors at every public and private entrance, conceal carry, period! This doesn’t need to be the wild west. That’s already happening on NY streets.
The only parts of this that can stand up in court is the part about the hours of training necessary, and a criminal background check. It figures this comes from a control freak Dem legislature.
Training as in a test to see if you understand basic civics before you can vote?
Background check as to proving you are a citizen prior to voting?
I seriously doubt those will stand up in any court for a right that is understood but not enumerated vs a right that shall not be infringed.
This is standard procedure here in Canada. A coworker told me that when he applied for a gun license, they went through all his FB friends and grilled him about them.
Canada is lost.
This is totally unconstitutional. So, how do you think the black guys in the ghetto get their guns? Well, that is how everyone will be getting one in NY. What if you don’t have a social media account?
It’s doubly unconstitutional: They’re telling you that if you are not exercising your 1st Amendment rights in a way that is acceptable to the commnist party, then you can’t exercise your 2nd Amendment rights at all.
Like , say , purge the military and police ranks for non-VAXX compliance ?
Kathleen Courtney Hochul is an American Lawyer….I keep telling you guys about the Cancer that’s destroying our Republic….
When told the Pope had criticized his actions, Stalin supposedly asked “The Pope? How many divisions has he?”
New York State may be the first (modern) jurisdiction to decide, de facto, to simply ignore Supreme Court rulings whenever convenient.
The concept of State’s Rights has always been such a red flag to liberals because they recognize the threat of States simply ignoring or defying the over-reaching, overly ambitious laws and policies of liberals is ever looming.
AOC seemed to be warning this week that leftists and Democrats had been discussing, among themselves, such defiance.
The grand projects and plans of leftists has more to lose than gain, of course, if submission to the Supreme Court becomes less than inevitable. Imagine RINOs suddenly growing the body parts to facilitate resistance to outrageous rulings from liberal judges!
The other shoe may drop, Kathy. Beware..
Woman’s a complete, total, mentally and emotionally disordered nut job. If she had a heart attack and died no one would give a damn, and NY would be better off for it.
This means they’ll query those individuals and use whatever negative comments they make to deny issuance of permits:
…turn over contact information for their spouse, domestic partner or any other adults living in their household.
Joe, if by chance she got the clot-shot, your wish may be in the works. Even months after people get the shots, they are having heart attacks. Micro-emboli take months and months to form and then travel. She probably didn’t get the real shot though…rules for thee but not for me.
” It will not stand up in court ” – The Reality is it should not , but it might.
ANTIFA rioter pled guilty to illegal gun possession / resisting. Was to be sentenced last week.
CASE DISMISSED day of sentencing. Buh-bye.
Dems. get no jail time while you get disarmed — Twitter @Cernovich , Gab. com/Matt_Bracken
NY sucks. It really does.
It would be nice that in order for New Yorkers to move elsewhere in the US if they had to show their voting records to demonstrate their “character and conduct.”
Do you understand how ironic your comment is in light of the new NY law? When do we law-abiding NYers get to stop having to demonstrate our “character and conduct?” Do residents of other states have to do this?
Most of this seems counterproductive from a public safety standpoint. Unsecured, gun-free zones amount to certified helpless victim zones. While certain public buildings and other places might justifiably need to exclude personal firearms, those places must also be carefully secured against those who might seek to take advantage of the situation to commit acts of mass violence.
It’s a smart move. The Court recognizes “sensitive areas” as a restriction to carrying a weapon. New York has now forced the hand of the Court to be more explicit in defining these areas. The Court will not dive into the weeds to create a list of what is or isn’t a sensitive area. NYS is banking that the Court will not allow blanket carry to whoever or whenever. Even Scalia said the Second Amendment was not absolute.
As I stated immediately above, some places ARE legitimately “sensitive.” What, though, should be the legal test for that sensitivity? As a starting point, I suggest that such a place must, at the very least, be explicitly bounded and subject to exceptional security measures designed to detect and deter those who might violate that space, as well as defend against would-be violators. By those standards, a simple sign reading “Gun Free Zone” would be manifestly inadequate. Metal detectors, X-Ray machines, and armed security should constitute the minimum acceptable measures required to demonstrate the legitimacy of any sensitive space.
A “legal test” to supersede “shall not be infringed”?
That makes my point as to why this is a smart move on NYS’s part.
There are, in fact, SOME places where allowing citizens to bear arms would invite disaster. A shootout on an airplane, for example, would likely result in a depressurization and crash. As another example, consider sessions of Congress or State legislatures. If people were allowed to bear arms in the public galleries, evildoers — e.g. LEFTISTS — would have the opportunity to kill the people’s duly elected representatives, thereby overthrowing the government. Such bona fide sensitive places, however, cannot rely on a mere designation for their security. They demand actual physical countermeasures to ensure their inviolability and the public safety. Anywhere such countermeasures are not in effect is demonstrably NOT a sensitive area and denying the public therein the right to bear arms, in fact, undermines their safety.
This is where the SC failed to go the distance.
The free exercise of a constitutionally, explicitly identified RIGHT shall be free. BY DEFAULT, they are free, and you have to work to get them yanked, and it takes due process in that regard. It’s entirely biased IN FAVOR of the citizen.
In CA, one has to “apply” for the right and be certificated–PERMITTED–to “freely” exercise that right. Exercise it autonomously, go to jail.
The SC should have said under no circumstances shall a citizen apply for permit to exercise ANY expressly identified right–ever.
People will lose freedoms, savings, other rights as a result of this NY law. Even if struck down, someone will be the test case and will pay steep prices for being the bold or unlucky one. That’s best case scenario.
This is premeditated abuse of civil rights. Color of authority stuff, right here.
They purposely wrote the law to essentially make it impossible to get a carry permit as it was before.
As long as we use machines in our elections, we will have this crap. They know we cannot change the power structure.
Obviously NY hates Democracy since they’re trying so hard to cheat our Democracy.
I think it was that guy who ran all the election result numbers to show fraud – can’t think of the name- who said in the last few days that it’s approximately 7,000 politicians, bureaucrats, and other authorities in the US that you need to bribe to instigate and secure the coup.
Murdock v. Pennsylvania, 319 U.S. 105 (1943)
Summary: Small town wanted to stop Jehovah’s witnesses from proselytizing and selling religious merchandise door-to-door in town. The town thus instituted a permit system for the Witnesses, which included a fee/tax.
Decided: PA’s requirement for Jehovah’s witnesses to get a permit to exercise their religion was unconstitutional.
Today’s Relevant Opinion: If you can’t institute a tax/fee/permit system for people to exercise their First Amendment rights, you can’t institute a tax/fee/permit system for people to exercise their Second Amendment Right.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/319/105/
Perfect arguement
So if you posted a negative comment about the governor application denied.
What, eight minutes before your accusation? Your comment was in pending. We get to them as soon as we can.
Harper v. Virginia Bd. of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966)
SCOTUS Decided: Virginia’s tax to vote (“poll tax”) was an unconstitutional violation of the 14th Amendment’s fundamental right to vote.
Second Amendment Relevance: In Harper, SCOTUS ruled that fundamental Constitutional rights can’t be taxed. Pistol permit schemes that levy a fee are similar to the poll tax in that they impose an unnecessary burden on a fundamental constitutional right. Just because states call the permit payment a “fee” and not a “tax” doesn’t lessen that burden on American citizens.
It seems that the law’s effect will be to deny a civil right to those who express viewpoints that are “unwelcome” in the eyes of government authorities. How is THAT supposed to work? While they’re at it, perhaps they also intend to purge the voter rolls of those whose social media postings they deem to be unacceptable.
Yes, they are telling you that if you don’t use your 1st Amendments rights in way that is acceptable to the gov’t, then you can’t exercise your 2nd Amendment rights at all.
August 20, 1920 is when things started going sideways.
Basically, prohibited everywhere that normal people would be.
Much of this mimics Florida’s CCW laws… A state where they have intentionally shelved constitutional carry in committee for the past two years in a row.
If the second amendment isn’t a limited right then all of these states need to be shutdown and the NFA needs to be tossed.
That isn’t happening… Subjects like, the 2nd amendment, immigration and abortion is too big of a game and topic to give up.
This part struck me as absurd,
Applicants will have to show they have “the essential character, temperament and judgment necessary to be entrusted with a weapon and to use it only in a manner that does not endanger oneself and others.”
Uhm, I actually want it in order to endanger others, criminal others.
So, in order to exercise your 2nd amendment right, you have to sacrifice your first amendment right.
The new legislation goes much further.
Ten years ago, when the Legislature rammed though the New York “Safe” Act, the Cuomo administration asked the FBI to provide them with all the NICS background check data for gun purchases by New York residents.
The FBI refused.
So, the state created a special unit within the state police tasked with inspecting gun dealers throughout the state and gathering that data directly from the dealers’ records.
They were creating a gun registry.
Every time a trooper encounters a gun during the course of their duties, the gun and possessor are added to the database/registry.
Since the state police manage and operate the computer system (NYSPIN) through which ALL police gun queries are run, they have access to the data on every gun encountered by police agencies in New York.
Imagine the treasure trove of data provided by Red Flag seizures.
The original New York “Safe” Act also mandated background checks for ammo purchases, but the state police informed then-Governor Cuomo that such a system was not practical, so it wasn’t fully implemented, but it was still in the law.
It is my understanding that the new legislation will modify the NICS background check process, requiring gun AND ammo sellers to first contact the state police and provide them with all the buyer’s information.
Now, instead of the background check being conducted by the dealer directly through the FBI, the state police will act as middlemen between the dealer and FBI.
This will likely result in huge delays.
So, the state created a special unit within the state police tasked with inspecting gun dealers throughout the state and gathering that data directly from the dealers’ records.
(1) Gun dealer’s firearms records (what BATF statutes call a “Bound book”, from the days before word processors) are FEDERAL records, not state records.
(2) Those federal records are legislated by federal, not state, statutes.
(3) No FFL, whether Type 01 Dealer in Firearms, Type 03 (NFA) Dealer in firearms, Type 07 Manufacturer of Firearms – or any other federally licensed entity – can be compelled by any state law to disclose, share, provide, or otherwise submit to state surveillance or intrusion into their federally mandated records. The state can’t make a person show them their federal tax records. Neither can they make a dealer show them their federal gun records
(4) Many if not most licensees are ignorant of 1-3.
(5) Many if not most licensees are so afraid, terrified even, of state authorities (e.g. State Police) when it comes to their being an FFL dealer or manufacturer, that they’re too scared to stand up for their legal rights by telling those authorities – when they show up at the dealer’s business – “No, you cannot inspect my records or inventory.” These licensees are victims of thinking “If I refuse, they’ll find something to charge me with or some way to make my life miserable”.
The problem with that mindset is that in complying with their illegal request to review your records, you’ve already let them know you’re a pushover who doesn’t know the law or you’re too afraid to stand up for your rights. Either way, they now know they can push you around any time they want.
Most dealers in New York are required to have a state license and a business license, as well as their FFL.
New York penal law requires dealers to keep a state version of the info collected on the ATF-4473.
Those records are subject to inspection by the state police.
Here’s part of a passage from the statute:
Records required of gunsmiths and dealers in firearms. Any person
licensed as gunsmith or dealer in firearms shall keep a record book
approved as to form, except in the city of New York, by the
superintendent of state police. In the record book shall be entered at
the time of every transaction involving a firearm the date, name, age,
occupation and residence of any person from whom a firearm is received
or to whom a firearm is delivered, and the calibre, make, model,
manufacturer’s name and serial number, or if none, any other
distinguishing number or identification mark on such firearm.
There’s a similar passage for ammo sales.
Apple pickers.
Hence the reason people ignore ALL the new little gun laws. At what point is there enough control, I mean gun laws.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!
NOT OPEN FOR NEGOTIATION, PERIOD. END OF STORY. GET A GD HOBBY HOCHUL. Oh and by the way, get rid of YOUR private security since you don’t like guns and stay out of our lives!
NY Republicans could ask SCOTUS for a permanent injuction, but the “Wise Latina” is assigned the NY circuit and I doubt she would grant relief.
I’m a character and I have no social media…..
Except this one. LOL
This is not a true social media. It is a comment section of a news site.
That was my thought. Social media is a time suck, therefore I have no social media accounts.
They are more and more ridiculous by the day.
I think the Treehouse is an anti-social media… so it don’t count.
Big Brother is watching…and deciding your rights….
Most women are a privileged class who sit around whining about everything while they are on vacation, or trying on their new daily outfits.
Most notable:
> New York will also bar people from bringing guns into any business or workplace unless the owners put up signs saying guns are welcome. People who bring guns into places without such signs could be prosecuted on felony charges.
Ripe for legal challenge.
Cops too???!!
Apparently the law specifies private property without distinguishing between residential and commercial. Someone who reviewed the law thinks a person could be prosecuted for having their own gun in their own house if they have not put up such a sign.
But that’s exactly what this “law” does!
Please, let’s try to use pronouns correctly. I’m sure most Treepers agree that a person who wants to be a they/them is not normal. (Multiple personality disorder).
Please, please please…be careful and not fall into the liberal traps.
What’s wrong with using pronouns? Mine are Hee and Haw and you better use them when I speak!
Why is a voluntary notice from a PRIVATE firm, prosecutable as if it were a gov’t expense?
The list of excluded spaces is long; basically all places of assembly, indoor and outdoor.
Extends de-facto gun free zones in a big way. Seems dangerous since the Buffalo shooter specifically stated in his manifesto that gun free zones should be considered when picking a site.
Sure, make all of places of assembly gun free.
Smart move /s.
Actually it is a very smart move by the tyrannical left because their aim of course is to castrate all law abiding citizens, leaving only the criminals free to own guns and shoot everybody. And by criminals I include the government numpties