Democrats and Republicans in the Senate have announced their agreement for new laws which will restrict gun ownership. The measures include a new federal firearm registry (known colloquially as “enhanced background checks”), and new laws for the federal government to define the standard of mental health that will allow gun ownership (known colloquially as “red flag laws”).
If approved, the structure looks somewhat similar to current discussion. Continued or new firearm ownership will be permitted if the cross functional DHS/FBI social media and cognitive stability panel (the moderators inside Govt, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Google, Microsoft) approve the mental outlook of the firearm applicant.
The NSA database containing all privacy information on individuals will likely be accessed by a much larger audience of stakeholders (teachers, employers, social workers, bureaucrats) who will conduct ongoing stability reviews for firearm owners and flag any concerning content.
According to ABC – […] The 20 lawmakers — double the initial bipartisan group who restarted negotiations late last month — are Sens. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, Roy Blunt of Missouri, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine, Chris Coons of Delaware, John Cornyn of Texas, Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico, Mark Kelly of Arizona, Angus King of Maine, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Rob Portman of Ohio, Mitt Romney of Utah, Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Thom Tillis of North Carolina and Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.
[…] Among other things, the agreement would provide funding for mental health (including behavioral health centers) and incentives for the creation of so-called “red flag” laws to remove firearms from people who are a danger to themselves or others; increase money for school safety; and strengthen the federal background check system as it relates to convicted domestic violence abusers or those with restraining orders.
[…] Potential gun owners under 21 would also be subject to “an investigative period to review juvenile and mental health records, including checks with state databases and local law enforcement,” the bipartisan group said Sunday. The deal, in the works for weeks, has the support of at least 10 Republicans in the Senate, which is the number needed to avoid a filibuster. (read more)
Leave it to Republicans to do something stupid when they are poised to have a red wave. Then again, mcConnell can’t sell votes if Republicans are in charge where he has to buy votes. F*CK THEM ALL!!!!
Leave it to Republicans to piss away every opportunity to effect real change when they have the votes/chance. In other words, even if the red wave materializes, so what? The song remains the same.
Exactly and there is no safe haven anywhere else.
We have all lived long enough to know they had the majority in congress MANY times. What have they done? Staying stuck in the old paradigm of 2 parties does not serve us. They are not considering a “red wave”. They could not care less. Haven’t we learned that yet?
There are 535 of them and 330,000,000 citizens staying stuck in the same old paradigm of thinking we need .gov instead of the other way round. It’s time for humanity to put its big boy pants on and move out of Nanny Government’s house and into a glorious future without asking her permission all the time and having wars for chores and trannies for education.
I know how this comes across but representative republics are very 1776. They don’t work, at least not in a country this large. We have to break apart or kill each other and/or our useless reps. The experiment failed, it’s over.
Amen Birdbrain!!!!
DJT COULD have started a successful New party, he CHOSE to stay with the status quo, Says A LOT if you ask me, same bird, same feathers….He has proven by his Censorship on truth social and his poor decisions on a new party, hiring non decepticons etc. that he is NOT the one America needs. I thought he was for 6 years, now, Not so much. Just pointing out those Inconvenient TRUTHS people really HATE to acknowledge…
President Trump chose to take over the Republican party instead of starting a new third party because a new third party would have been doomed to fail with the Democrat party being as strong as it is. He made great gains within the Republican party but unfortunately the RINOs, partnered with democrats, struck back. We would have had Hillary Clinton as president if President Trump had not strategized as he did.
He has chosen to be fake opposition and this take over business has been raging for 80+ years.
What he should have done is tell people the truth, this is an unwinnable farce.
Just one more election, make sure to vote for the latest synonym given to Republicans!!! We’ll surely get em THIS time!!!
Wylie E Coyote called, he wants his sign back.
You will get no argument from me. He did many great things with foreign relationships and economy, but under pressure, he toed the political line. Matters not to us what his record is on “endorsed candidates”. They do nothing for us, just bragging rights for him.
The Republicans will never represent gun owners. It is the MAGA Conservative members and President Trump. We are going to get this done, the Republicans can become Democrats or be MAGA, there will be no middle ground. It may take awhile but it will be done.
Bless your heart.
For those who don’t know, “Bless your heart” is a common southern insult towards another’s ignorance!
True, but it is not always intended as an insult. It takes discernment sometimes to understand which way it is meant.
Perhaps GM can clarify how his post is to be interpreted?
Yes… It is…
At least that is how I learned it back long ago.
It was a “civil & polite way” of letting the other person know that the person saying it in reply, did not approve of the others actions or thinking.
While it also was used in a manner to imply “good wishes”, as well,
the “inflection of the spoken word” often defined which meaning was intended.
It was left up to the one to whom it was directed, to figure out which way it was meant to imply.
It is not unlike the use of sarcasm/facetiousness, where the written word(s) do not always reflect the true intended meaning, and are often misunderstood by the ones reading the words…
and thus, It would seem to me that the use of such phrases would be best left out in written form, or defined as to their meaning so all can understand & negate misunderstanding.
Everyone can do as they like as long as they do not break the rules of the house here, but it seems to me that the main idea in this place is for cooperation & passing on “factual” info & not to be misunderstood by others.
If someone is going to use phrases that can be misunderstood by others, perhaps it is wise to either be more specific in the phraseology for the comment to be understood as it is meant, or just pass on & not comment at all.
(Perhaps I should have taken my own advice here, but “what the hey”… Maybe I helped someone with my long winded words.)
😉
“GOD Bless Ya’ll`!” , and I mean it in the best of ways.
We don’t have “awhile.” What little is left of our Constitution will be gone within the next 2-4 years. It is now or never.
Indeed.
You missed the tea party huh?
It’s not stupidity. It is planned. It is the “salami slice” concession approach to implementing leftist policies against the desires of their voting base. It’s the GOP’s way of shifting issues further and further leftwards without triggering a decisive abandonment by their voters.
The elephant shuffle. Two steps to the left, one back to the right.
America’s death march.
Will this bill prevent crazed Capitol Police officers from killing unarmed civilians?
Will this bill stop 🛑 the weekly murders in Chicago?
Will felons still be able to purchase guns?
Who decides if a person can own a gun?
Will Hunter Biden be allowed to lie on a gun application since he is the President’s son?
Will the Congress men and I assume some people who identify as women be barred from having guns if taxpayers paid to settle sexual harassment lawsuits?
How will this bill regulate gun toting coyotes crossing our Southern border?
Will this bill be a step to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens?
1. No
2. Oh heck no
3. Probably
4. Anyone in the tyrannical
government with a
grudge or who
wants disarm those they
consider a threat to their
power
5. Absolutely
6. Remains to be seen
7. It won’t, of course.
8. You better believe it.
This is step one.
Right on there Betsy Jones.
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And when it does NOTHING to very little in actually stopping homicidal criminals from doing their dirty work using a firearm then the next logical step for these traitorous cretins will be to pass even more unconstitutional and restrictive anti-2A laws.
“Oh, but the laws were passed per the process as demanded by the Constitution, so they must be Constitutional. Just like the 2020 election. Everyone signed off on it, like good little girls and boys, so it must have been legit.”
“Shall NOT be Infringed”, is the part they seem to forget all about when coming up with these Un-Constitutional Acts/Laws.
No matter how ya slice it , dice it or spice it, Bullcrap still tastes like bullcrap if ya would taste it.
They want everyone to taste their bullcrap & think it is OK.
It is NOT, OK.
Hanbun: Correct. The deli slicing machines are hard at work, slicing up the Constitution.
Republicans? Where? There are no Republicans. Only Uniparty and RINOS. Tyranny reins while courage sleeps…
No politico. On the right side of the political spectrum who negotiated for, discussed the agenda on media outlets, supported this legislation or votes for it is a Republican. RINO Scum.
There is a post on the gateway pundent that addresses this situation in as stark of terms as possible. Nothing but traitors.
Many times in my posts I referenced the P.A. RINO Pat Toomey. Always a last minute sellout. He does just as his masters demand.
Now that he is on his way out the door he is selling out all the Pa.
Supporters how made him their senator.
And just for good measure he took the trip to the Davos love feast this year.
A well deserved vacation for a good Nazi.
What a relief after this sellout vote he won’t need to pretend anymore. One more of Harvard’s best and brightest
Same for Portman.
Sadly ,as time goes by ,the traitors seem to surface and do their dirty deeds just in time to slash another wound deep into this great country in the all too familiar Mike Pence M.o.
Another Trump endorsed candidate that we were supposed to believe was better than a dem getting the seat. Un uh. Toomey showed his colors way back in 2012.
I know you wish things were different. Me too. But Trump had the weakest of bullpens to draw from.
Do you think he could have turned the ship of state around with a Democratic house and senate. I frankly don’t know how he accomplished as much as he did and I have the luxury of hindsight.
JimS will forever be great full for all the accomplishments and sacrifices the greatest modern day President did and made for the good of our country.
Just take a moment ,sit back and honestly ask yourself a serious question .
How on earth did he Do it ?
Seriously.
The Senators are acting independently of the will of the people. They don’t seem to care what the people actually want and have appointed themselves the arbiters of what the people want.
Repeal the 17th Amendment.
Can’t say it enough.
I’d rather talk about primaring and putting pressure on the 10 Republican traitors. Talking about the 17th admendment is a waste of time. A derail.
Those 10 were carefully chosen by McConnell. They are either retiring at the end of this session or they are not up for election.
You weren’t going to get squishy ones like Collins or Romney to hold the line. Of course they will weaponize this like they did the Intelligence agencies. Mental health was always the problem especially among adolescent males. Now they can use something like marriage counseling or therapy to block sales. Typical GOP spinelessness they are getting a midterm handed to them in a once in a generation blow out and they still can’t hold the line.
These hucksters got in office using paid mass media. They stay there the with mutual back scratching. People, we will be divided up and given to the UN and China. Get your lives in order for our constitution has failed to stop the evil, despite our near worship of it. Jesus is Lord, not Trump.
ONLY the blood of patriots and TYRANTS will satisfy the Tree of Liberty, that is seemingly DYING of THIRST!!!
NO Compromise …… unless something of gun Rights are RESTORED in exchange for what dems want.
That’s just the opinion of conservative voters.
Obviously, you are not who the GOP wishes to represent. The GOP gave the left as much as they decided would be OK for now. And in return, asked for nothing.
McConnell ordered Cornyn to negotiate with the Dems on this. Sufficient RINOs were tagged to provide the winning vote margin. Notice that McConnell will not be included among them. That’s another demonstration of how the GOP choreographs all of its betrayals. They divvy them out and shuffle the blame from issue to issue.
Appeasement . Never . Works . ( they do know that ) Already Dems are saying ” its a start ” we’ll take more NEXT TIME ”
Sundance has posted some writings of the Founders on the Twittr feed. – ” Let us not become as Carthage was to Rome “
All of the Republicans want you disarmed also.
No Murkowski or Thune either. They (all GOP senators) would probably vote for it but for the wrath of their constituents.
the constitution is meaningless to them all.
Enough of the “RINO” term. These ARE REPUBLICANS. Let it go.
Unconstitutional.
Since when do they let that ol’ rag get in the way?
is this an amendment?
An amendment to the constitution requires a convention of states.
Congress can not just amend it on their own.
ok. i’m kind of tired of the law making process in general.
i’m honestly not sure what value the ‘Fed law making process’ serves.
An amendment to the constitution does not require a convention of states.
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention.
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/article-v.html
The first pathway to ratifying proposed amendments starts in the United States Congress. An amendment must pass the House and Senate by a two-thirds majority vote. Then Congress may send that amendment out to the states to approve or ratify it.
A number of steps need to be completed for an amendment to be ratified in this manner:
Congress needs to approve the amendment by the necessary two-thirds vote noted above.
A notification and accompanying information about the amendment must be sent out to governors of each state.
State legislatures consider whether to approve the proposed amendment. As a side note with this step, those legislatures cannot change the wording, or the process starts again.
https://constitutionus.com/constitution/amendments/ratifying-constitutional-amendments/
ARE… YOU… OUT… OF… YOUR… MIND!?!?!?!?!?!??!
The Communist Democrats would replace free speech (what’s left of it) with govt propaganda and Ministry of Truth squads to go after people for speaking truth.
WHAT… IS… WRONG… WITH… YOU!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Congress shall make no law!
And so? Who cares? A constitution is no more than our collective value of it. We don’t have enough numbers. Your coming red wave is more gaslighting from the engorged media living off of campaign money. Do not contribute one dollar to be handed over to news media commercials.
It could have been worse, I have no doubt it will be
How do you boil a frog? Congress is showing us now.
Small print, doncha know.
Pass it, then read it to see how tyrannical and confiscatory it really is. Be sure that the worst of it will be on page 989 of a Tolstoy length bill which no one will be given time to read.
See Obamacare for precedent.
It IS worse! Have you seen the bill which has been voted on and passed in the House? Much much worse.
Our founding fathers were brilliant men who left a way for its citizens to amend the Constitution if they had many any mistakes. But make no mistake, the first 10 amendments should be off limits entirely no matter what laws or judges in the future decide. How arrogant are we to think we know better than far more brilliant men that we treat the Constitution with mob rules? They risked their lives and livelihood to fight for our independence. We have risked nothing. Instead, we have destroyed the wonderful gift they gave us and sacrificed for. There is a reason the Bill of Rights fall where they do in the order of importance. But as a apathetic nation, we won’t do a damn thing until all of our rights are gone and maybe then, good men will stand up and fight but then it will be too late.
Thanks to Ted Kennedy and many sellouts since, the nation is largely uninformed on any such constitution. These imports were born and raised in socialistic cultures that have no allegiance to our laws. You think justices will stand firm?
THE TREE OF LIBERTY!
A certain Spartan expression comes to mind
The Constitution says – nothing about restrictions, therefore this law is unconstitutional.
Anyone seen the members of the Supreme Court? I have looked under rocks and behind all the trees in our state?
I have read about Willful Blindness, but this is ridiculous.
This is the real reason they are threatening them. They want to take the guns.
…take the guns… of law abiding citizens.
Criminals? Who ignore the laws? And for whom these new threatening restrictions won’t mean a thing? And for whom there will be no trouble in securing whatever type of gun they want? They’ll be just fine.
Oh…and my senator Cornyn is an out and out constitutional ignoramus and a traitor.
Yes Betsy, he needs to go. Texans need to wake up
We’ve got a few years to wait unfortunately.
Conservative patriots can expect the same reasonable and even handed application of the law as we saw Jan 6
‘ You will have no ” standing ” …. and you will be happy ‘ – ( a packed & woke Supreme Court )
People need to stop acting like the GOP wasn’t in on the coup. Every action/inaction demonstrates that they were.
Julie Kelly reposted this piece from 2021 yesterday. It is a good reminder of what the GOP did to destroy PDJT.
Whoops. Meant to only post twitter link to the second article under the picture of Monaco.
This is not a compromise — This is a surrender by a party I used to consider our last hope(don’t know what to call them anymore)! if this bill passes, do believe that the fears of many will be happening to America.
(Posted the below on political page)
Current Red Flag Laws don’t give the person the right to a hearing prior to having one’s guns taken. Doubt that it will change regardless of what state you live in.
Depending on the Judge or the complainant that means that everyone of us on this site or any other site that do not support Biden could be a victim of Red Flag Laws. Oh and don’t piss off your neighbor, ex-wife or ?? of other people cause you just might find your home being raided for guns.
H3LL look at what happened to Jack Del Rio! If he has guns will they go after them next, or will they be looking at the voters and going after the guns of Trump voters as traitors, just as they are now. Just look at all the people still in solitary confinement without due process from Jan 6.
This is not a negotiation, this is a surrender by the people who swore an oath to protect our constitution.
If you are a conservative, you’ve already pretty much lost your right to free speech, especially if you live or work in certain sectors. Now, its the second–the doors are closing and we are getting even closer to the gates.
Means nothing. Consent of the governed is revoked.
Well I guess the black market for guns will get even better. You know if they were serious about gun control, all they have to do is put all ammo,and the means to make ammo under government control. And some people would become instant millionaires. There is one problem with all this , states rights, as example they have to bribe the states with federal money to pass these red flag laws, chose carefully which one you want to live in.
PA & Ark are pushing state level gun grabs as well as other states as well.
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Honest question: Is there anything we can do to stop this?
Honest answer: No. Not right now anyway.
There is but I don’t know how many people are willing to do it – and neither I, nor you, can do it by ourselves.
Here’s my honest answer from my perspective.
I will not comply.
My rights come from God not the District of Corruption.
Every American should be armed and have those arms stashed in whatever locations they need them to be, in whatever type, quantity, or caliber they need to defend their lives and those of their family.
It is “Christian” to refuse to allow evil people to harm your family. Giving up our only means of protection left would not be prudent.
Net-net: I’m pretty much going to ignore whatever Congress and the disgraced U.S. Senate decides. If that makes me a felon, so be it. We’ll all be felons.
You can’t alter the Constitution with a simple majority vote.
But the District of Corruption has been violating the Constitution for more than a century.
You are right! Thank you for your message. My husband pretty much said the same thing. I just feel so helpless. First with covid lockdowns, then they stole the election, and now this. I feel like I am letting the Founding fathers down. They knew this would happen, and gave us every tool to prevent it. It makes me so sad.
I have emailed all 10 of the traitors and I will try to call their offices tomorrow. I will send regular letters too. But I don’t have faith that it will help. I am just so sad.
replace them all with Ultra MAGA candidates.
Name ten. How about 5? Now convince Secretaries of State to put them on the ballot. Then raise the millions needed to bribe the media into supporting them.
Probably not..
There are some Second Amendment Sanctuary Cities & states.
If you don’t live in one of them–just don’t piss off anyone who knows you have guns.
And/or assets.
Honest Answer— is there anyone who thinks Radical Pelosi and the Squad will go along with this Bill?
This has absolutely nothing they were demanding.
Yes, but it isn’t generally talked about because it’s horrifying.
Phallic republican’ts can’t resist snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
States already have “red flag” laws: Involuntary commitment
Violent juveniles should be tried as adults, period, so no database necessary. Don’t hand me the crap about their minds not being developed; violent juveniles continue to escalate until they are stopped.
The open border, driven by Corporate PolitiThugs, is driving most of the violence. No Corporate Media Mobster would dare mention this fact, neither will the Rethuglicrats.
Sen. Bill Cassidy has been persona non grata at Republican events ever since he voted to impeach President Trump (after begging for his help on his reelect campaign.) Word is, this is his last term.
Can he take Lindsay with him?
Frankly, the vast majority of those in Congress should have their last terms come 2022.
But that is why they had to corrupt the election system well beyond what they had in place in major cities for decades.
Seriously, how do you get 51% to vote for this dumpster fire, even in the collapsed inner cities, let alone the country in general?
And just like that, all the guns were lost in the nearest lakes and rivers.
Get a 10″ drill press at Harbor Freight. They might end up like baby formula and tampons.
https://www.80-lower.com/
Everyone should have seen this coming.
Communists have the long march.
is that an ” assault ” CNC digital end mill , sir ?
f*ck the GOP!! They are worse and more corrupt than the Dems.
November , 2018
Many are not aware that a 61 year old Maryland man was KILLED while a Red Flag order was being served.
He had done nothing wrong but hold ‘ opinions ‘ that led to a family member making a tip because they were ‘ concerned ‘.
That’s all it took.
It is not forgotten by some of us…
Praying that NYSRPA vs Bruen will be a positive 2A opinion with strong, clear, shall not be infringed, guidance for the lower courts on gun control laws. Should be out before the end of June 2022.
Can’t really expect much help from the majority of SCOTUS!
If SCOTUS doesn’t recognize what Marxists are doing and don’t protect the 2nd amendment, I’m pretty confident the Marxists will never stop until there is literally a civil war.
Exactly. And who do you think will be the target of enforcement actions and who will be shielded/avoided by the various isms that permeate American society. I have my hand up, call on me!
Scalia left the door wide open when he wrote in the Heller decision “The Constitution leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns. “
If they really want to treat mental illness, they need to stop grooming children and torturing them in hospitals under the guise of “helping them transition”. There’s certain things God is not going sit around and watch. Man, I’d be living as far away from the District of Corruption as is possible.
Not just transitioning. Started over 30 years ago with medicating our boys.
Book – The War Against Boys
Our 2nd Amendment MUST be restored!
Our Constitution does NOT say … shall not be infringed unless you’re a Felon.
Our Constitution does NOT say … shall not be infringed unless you have a background check.
Our Constitution does NOT say … shall not be infringed unless you don’t have a permit.
Our Constitution does NOT say … shall not be infringed unless your weapon does not have a serial number.
Our Constitution does NOT say … shall not be infringed unless your weapon is fully automatic.
Our Constitution says “… shall not be infringed”.
Natural Rights Can Not Be Compromised!
“You can’t repeal the Second Amendment, any more than you can repeal any of the other nine. It was a package deal, you see, an absolute prerequisite to ratifying the main body of the Constitution. Repeal one, you repeal them all. Do that, and you repeal the whole Constitution — and with it, any legal authority that the government has to exist (let alone repeal the Second Amendment).” — Alexander Hope
Natural Rights can, have, and will be Compromised by thoroughly evil men. They have throughout human history.
The concept of Natural Rights is that they are superior to the edicts of far lesser men, let alone God.
The closest parallel is the 10 Commandments; and the Bill of Rights was modeled after that. Read both and you will see so many parallels.
But, yes the US Constitution is a social contract between We the People (sovereign) and our ‘representatives’ (not sovereign).
We the People limit ourselves to not use violence against them, should we disagree, ‘if’ they follow that contract.
The key component of that contract is an honest election system.
Without a contract, our consent disappears, and thus the legitimacy of any government does as well and thus everything else collapses into tyranny.
Our Constitution is a contract (compact) between the States. Our inferior federal government is only a product of that contract to do the very limited bidding of the States and no more. PERIOD!
Because ALL governments are bad, then ALL governments are supposed to be mere tools to SERVE “We the People”.
“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.” — Thomas Paine
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” — George Washington
“Experience hath shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” — Thomas Jefferson
“The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” — James Madison
True. The States created the Federal government.
We the People created the States.
What we’re supposed to think this is about: gun crime in the headlines.
What this is really about: RINOs trying desperately to throw the midterms.
Yup. The more the Rinos are traitors to their base, the less people want to bother to vote. But, whether they do vote or not isn’t the point. It just gives the democraps another talking point after they steal the vote in November.
No, it’s really about disarming the citizens so the traitors can continue their march to totalitarianism.
Oh boy…. This is getting worse by the day
I could not believe it when I saw the morning news in a hotel this morning. Have not watched news since election night. It is a feeding frenzy bordering on hysteria and it apparently is working. One of their graphics showed R voters moving towards more control. I absolutely believe it. After what I witnessed in this country with COVID and my fellow “conservatives”, they are worse then liberals. At least liberals believe in their lunatic agenda and stand strong. Not us, we are more concerned with offending than defending our rights and freedoms.
Hotels only run mainstream media. MSM has been chicken little hysterical about everything since Trump was inaugurated. The MSM lies about EVERYTHING.
It was a local station. I am not debating the quality of the media, merely stating there effectiveness and they ARE effective.
John Cornyn needs to be recalled. He needs to find out what happens to a Texas Senator when he votes against the beliefs of Texans. If he does not represent us then he needs to resign or be recalled.
A U.S Senator can’t be recalled, sadly
Well, I guess the next step would be to shame him out of the state. Texans should turn their backs to him every time they see him. Maybe he can’t be recalled but he can resign.
These awful Senators have no shame.
You never see the RINO much in Texas. Apparently he’s a Washington DC citizen now 100%.
YES.
There is another option.
When are they going to understand, that by definition, criminals don’t obey the law! Many of the most violent cities in our country also have the strictest gun laws! The problem isn’t the guns, the problem is that criminals are getting away with their crimes! Enforce the laws we have, we don’t need new ones. The 2nd A is very clear about not “infringing” our rights to bear arms! The root problem of all of this is the presence of evil in our world, and of folks that refuse to understand that problem!
Good point but we all know why they want this and it’s not about criminals at all. Besides, the regime knows this too. Its the idiots who listen to them that don’t get it.
It will be understood when they make us all criminals. Then they’ll do something about all of us
When are you going to understand? They don’t CARE what you or I think! Don’t you GET THAT after everything that’s happened since 911???????????????????????
Why would you ever trust an R?
The GOP destroyed Trump his first two years, etc.
Nixon created the Administrative State.
The Village Idiot created the Deep State.
Actually, FDR, created the Administrative state.
Good lord, how stupid can these legistlators be! If ya all remember out national “obamacare” ,menta health database already existys.
Heaven forbid should you have any diagnosis of a mental health nature – you get interrogated by your doc and everything goes into that computer-everything! Especially if you are of certain age, skin color or vet status.
You don’t think they are tracking this information-wait til they start asking & recording about your gun ownership if they haven’t already…
This sickens me.
Duma$$’s
Mistear’s….I know that your comments keep getting stuck in moderation. I took the first three letters in your email address and did a search through all the email addresses on our moderation list. It pulled up three other matches….which may have been causing you trouble. I deleted them…hoping this would solve the problem. Fingers crossed!
Another organization that needs to be dismantled in the future. Add it to PDJT’s “Things I gotta do in my second term” list.
Whoops. Meant to post as a new comment.
They lie to make money and since there’s no science to their racket or due process it works.
I count at least 5 GOP senators that are retiring. Maybe a good idea to wait for the new elected senators? But I doubt the new elected senators would sign on to this. Probably why they’re pushing it now.
Its a better outcome than I expected.
Slippery slope is a real thing.
Remember all the names who vote for these laws.
Them and the Covidians are about as un-American as you can get without being a straight up foreign enemy.
They love tyranny. None of what they do helps a single American.
Republicans
John Cornyn (R-Texas)
Thom Tillis (R-N.C.)
Roy Blunt (R-Mo.)
Richard Burr (R-N.C.)
Bill Cassidy (R-La.)
Susan Collins (R-Maine)
Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)
Rob Portman (R-Ohio)
Mitt Romney (R-Utah)
Pat Toomey (R-Pa.)
Both of my Senators from NC — evil (prefer not to say on SD’s forum!) traitors!! One retiring, one recently re-elected. Both betray their home state!
Murkowski must be running scared, she’s usually on this list
Rule #1: If possible, NEVER register ANY firearm…..EVER. Rule #2: NEVER talk to ANY government official, including medical professionals who are now essentially government agents, regarding your defensive capabilities…..EVER. That is all.
Retired Magistrate here: Never admit to a medical professional that you are depressed or are “having a bad day”; that would be cause in most states with Red Flag Laws to trigger an ex parte (one sided) hearing. Once guns are taken away, even if the Defendant is found to be mentally fit at the full hearing, it is almost impossible to get them back.
These Red Flag Laws have the same problems that Civil Protection/Civil Stalking Orders have; no due process at the first ex parte hearing. There was so much abuse in the Civil Protection/Civil Stalking Orders from parties who were getting ready to file for divorce and wanted to make the first strike at their spouse, that I quit setting ex parte hearings. I just set the Civil Protection/Civil Stalking Order for a full hearing. That action on my part did away with most of the filings which indicated to me that most of the filings were bogus to begin with.
Also if you have firearms never talk to neighbors or family members about what you have.
Especially at the VA. They are all over this.
Civil forfeiture laws are unconstitutional but they happen unquestioned.
Lack of due process is also unconstitutional under the 4th Amendment but look at how that has been abused and will continue to be abused.
Money is as big a factor in the psych system. Hospitals don’t make as much money anymore but a psych ward has no real medical care going on their overhead is cheap. No equipment, maybe one whackjob MD, an RN…the rest are low level people but the insurance reim ursements are high.
We do NOT have a Federal Gun registry and this bill doesn’t creat one. Perhaps some don’t know, but ANY firearm sold by a Registered Firearms dealer has a Transaction Record. This has been in place for over 40 years. It’s NOT reported to the Government, but the transaction is entered in a book (held by the dealer) with name, gun serial# and manufacturer. LEO can trace any gun by serial # through a sale because it’s all recorded privately. Manufacturers know where the firearm went to what dealer. The dealer records who bought the firearm.
It’s been this way for many years.
We haven’t seen the language of the bill, but that would be a Major Poison Pill to try and establish a Federal Registry and mandate all those records go into a Federal Database.
It’s also a way for an owner to track a stolen gun if you failed to keep a record of your serial number. The dealer you bought it from can look it up for you.
Yeah right.
We do NOT have a Federal Gun registry
We’re not supposed to have one but ATF indeed has one.
Gun Owners of America just proved ATF has been using 4473’s to establish a database of nearly one billion records.
https://www.gunowners.org/onebillionrecords/
ATF got much of that information because inspectors routinely copy adealer’s bound book during inspections, because dealers are too scared or too ignorant of the law to tell them the law doesn’t allow them to copy the book.
Section 922 governs dealers. 922 (o) IIRC, states inspectors may “…once in any 12 month period inspect the required records and inventory…”. That’s the full extent of lawful authority inspectors have during a compliance inspection.
The law doesn’t give them authority to copy your bound book. Or ask “What else do you do here?” Or ask “Who programs the CNC machines?” Or ask “Do you do your own engraving?” Or ask anything else.
BUT…ATF inspectors are taught in the academy to come in like gangbusters, take control, and ask questions and more questions. It’s up to the dealer or manufacturer to know the damn law and to tell the inspector:
“My copy of 922(o) says you can inspect my bound book and my inventory. I don’t see where you can ask me questions about my manufacturing, shipping, engraving, or any other processes. If your copy of 922(o) says you can then please show it to me.”
Never talk to them AT ALL.
Need to see the wording in this bill.
Agreed
Both Arizona Senators participating in the gun grab. AZ soon to be California East.
Both are Democrats and don’t let Sinema fool you. Mark Kelly basically ran on being the husband of a politician shot by a Leftist loon.
Both have former Maricopa County Recorder Adrian Fontes to thank for their questionable “victories”. Now running for SOS , if he wins AZ can kiss it goodbye
Between CA and Mexico are influences, AZ is in a tough spot. It was obviously a hot bed of election corruption. But it does have a great conservative/libertarian/contrarian tradition, I am rooting for it and Kari Lake.
So are both of our NC so called “Republican” Senators.
Vote all incumbents OUT……no exceptions.
“Shall Not Be Infringed”
Pretty sure it requires a convention of states to change the constitution..
sounds like the courts will be mighty busy with the shit storm of challenging law suits.
How many honest citizens will be DEPRIVED of due process , abused or even killed as this mess slowly oozes through the courts ?
Too many !
When I first saw this happening just after Uvalde I wasn’t surprised. Never underestimate the GOPe’s ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory. GOPe = STUPID PARTY
So federally funded red flag laws that aren’t federal laws is how they will get around the constitution.
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. “Red Flag laws” are still unconstitutional. They cannot get around that. Now, they have the evil people in the right places throughout the country to ignore the Constitution and be able to get away with it, but that’s a different story.
We dont need Gun laws. They need Gun laws.
We need them to stop telling us to medicate our kids with adderal or anxiety medications. Your schools suck – our kids don’t want to be in them. We are tired of doing it your way, and as soon as we figure out how to not we won’t ever participate in your system again.
to those Jonesing for Desantis presidential run –
None of this will make a bit of difference.. Nuts and thugs will still manage to find guns….
Do NOT under any circumstances fill out a form that you are “sometimes depressed”, etc.
Over the last 3 years I have sold all my firearms and have a bill of sale for each of them .
Why?
I’m scared. I’ll do anything they say.
The most effective way to prevent the school shootings that gave the political impetus to this legislation would probably be to get the news media to agree to stop covering them when they occur, or at least, to stop elevating them to national headline news. It has long been known that when suicides – which is what these incidents are from the shooters’ perspective – are publicized, they often lead to epidemics of copycat suicides and that the manner of suicide can take on uniquely culture-specific aspects. That certainly seems to be the case here. There are many nations in which firearm ownership is widespread, but school shootings are almost unique to the US.
Even before the suicide epidemic phenomenon was formally observed and quantified, people almost certainly perceived it, which is probably why it is common cultures all around the world to stigmatize suicide, to make mentioning cases of suicide taboo and to encourage hushing them up.
Those 10 are NOT Republicans.
The Criminals have WON. I will NEVER apply to buy a fire arm through the Fed, when I can get one unregistered and CHEAPER from a criminal. Thanks JoBama!!!!!!!! Anyone that tries to buy a gun “legally” is a complete moron.
I was actually told that it is easier & cheaper to buy off the black market by many. felons.
How about a restriction on prescribing S.S.R.I. drugs to those under 21 ?
SSRIstories.org
Republicans ha. Missouri Show me nothin’ Claire Macasket was booed out of her town hall meeting. She couldn’t believe it. She had voted for Obamacare. Now Roy bluntmeister is carrying the torch. Soooo glad I live in the Fl Panhandle for the last 5 years. I know we have work to do cleaning voter rolls. No Dominion or related machines ( smartmatic). Paper signed ballots only. Come on man.