Appearing on Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan, Secretary of State Anthony Blinken states Poland has the “green light” from the U.S. and NATO to provide fighter planes to the Ukraine military.
Secretary Blinken notes the U.S. will “backfill” Poland (terms ongoing), which means the U.S. is willing to replace each of the Polish planes with U.S. fighter jet replacements. Obviously, the industrial military complex would approve of this plan; however, who pays and what authorities of this arms deal with Poland apply?
Setting aside the pilots of Poland that would need training and accepting there could be some long-term maintenance issues for equipment they may not be equipped to maintain, the nationalist political ideology of Poland is not in alignment with Obama/Biden. Will the U.S. government seek to change the social system in Poland as an outcome of a weakened Polish arsenal? You betcha. WATCH:
Bottom line, the U.S. and NATO are getting more involved. The U.S. State Dept, the rogue construct within the Fourth Branch of Government, is trying to turn World War Reddit/Tik Tok into a hot war of NATO against Russia, despite their protestations to the contrary.
The DoS would be perfectly happy if Ukraine became a long-term insurgency campaign with Russia. Volodymyr Zelenskyy should be careful, because his position as a useful martyr is becoming more evident. It will not be Russian hit-squads targeting Zelenskyy, it will be CIA operatives. Wait for it….
CBS continued the propaganda push after the Blinken interview with David Martin engineering the narrative surrounding Russian troop movements inside Ukraine. Martin doesn’t know what the Russian military is doing, he’s giving the official U.S. line which supports the campaign for, as Tony Blinken put it, “hearts and minds.”
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Insane. We are in need of some restraint.
Well my, my isn’t Mr. Blinken just being extra special here inviting Poland to go to war with Russia by air. Poland was sacrificed at Yalta by GB and USA. Never understand why they wanted to get into the EU and NATO because of it. Hopefully they will send Mr. Blinken a nice big no thankyou card. Maybe some flowers to soften the blow.
Imo, Poland is a good bet to accept this deal, since it was only a few years ago that Putin whacked the entire top leadership of their country in a fake “accidental” plane crash.
Stalin did the same thing in 1943.
Have you read the reports on that crash? (Doesn’t sound like it). But one point in that investigation was about Russia doing aviation in Cyrillic / meters and Poland doing Latin / feet. Not sure about Ukraine but they probably follow the Russian system.
Eastern Europe should form their own economic and military alliance. EU will sell them all out for their own survival. Would they really feel safe being in the same foxhole as France, Italy, Germany? I wouldnt.
Russia has a say and it is a warning. Do we really want another World War?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/russia-warns-countries-allowing-ukraine-to-use-airfields-would-enter-conflict_4319867.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-03-06-3&utm_medium=email&est=8n9z0c6mS6wrkLJGF88Erk%2FXwu6Rn3Vz6nT94NglNel%2Bono42zsUqpA0Rm2Zd0D791qP
Instead of World War III it would be Woke War I because of the EU/US ‘going green’ while importing oil/gas from Russia.
“Let’s you and him fight” (TM)
Perhaps Blinken can “rent” the billions of dollars of US military hardware they treasonously/criminally left in Afghanistan?
Blinken’s just another well-paid tool!
well-paid Fool, I think you mean.
He is just another evil SOB fkn traitor like all the rest. End of story. That’s how I see every one of the coup plotters, from Raggedy Ann to Xiden. Xiden proclaimed in open daylight they had a fraud machine to steal the election. Why else would he hide in a basement knowing this country was about to flip to a dictatorship. Oh yeah, Trump was the dictator, LMAO. These slime bags (the cabal) even bragged about stealing, uh, I mean, “fortifying” the election in Time magazine. What we saw in the US in 2020 was the same color revolution playbook for regime change. Well Dr. Ben Franklin, what we don’t have anymore is a republic. Until people get this drilled into their heads the reality won’t set in until it’s too late. It may be just a matter of months that sites as this are wiped from the internet and bank accounts seized for just mentioning the reality we live in.
Wow…Sundance, don’t walk over any open street grates or find yourself alone on a tall roof…and get yourself a pair of sunglasses with rear-mirrors….And by no means get yourself incarcerated for any unpaid parking tickets…what with all the jailhouse “Suicides”.
Setting aside the pilots of Poland that would need training and accepting there could be some long-term maintenance issues for equipment they may not be equipped to maintain…
I don’t understand: Poland is a member state of NATO, right? Sundance, are you suggesting it will be not just be Polish planes that fly over Ukraine but that they will be piloted by Polish airmen?
If so, doesn’t that mean, according to the NATO charter, that all other NATO member states, including the US would now be at war w/ Russia?
I am having a hard time believing Biden, Blinken, and Nod being so bold. I don’t have a hard time believing they are reckless out of stupidity.
Help me here. I thought the Biden admin would be okay with Russia expending its military while fighting an insurgency for the next decade No?
It’s fake news, the polish president already denied it would happen.
Can you supply a source or link? I google it and nothing from him on it that is recent.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-says-its-working-poland-get-jets-ukraine-warsaw-responds-fake-news
Poland seems to be denying that they will send their jets into Ukraine, therefore there will be no need to backfill anything.
Because the Poles support Trump. Poland was a big Trump ally. They are not taking the bait.
Well I wouldn’t be so sure. There is a Hugh amount of gaslighting going on, even over there.
The populace over there is opening up their homes for the immigrants/refugees.
What SD means is that the Polish AF fly and maintain MIG aircraft. The US may, short term bring USAF F16 squadrons to Poland to make up the air power available in Poland if the Polish transfer their MIGs to Ukraine.
Long term the Polish would need to buy F16 and the replacement parts and tools to maintain these aircraft from the US. In addition the Polish govt would have to retrain their aircraft mechanics to work on F16 as well as transition their pilots to fly F 16.
All that adds up to lots of new $ for defense contractors.
It would still mean that BECAUSE POLAND IS PART OF NATO that Nato, thus the USA, is at war with Russia.
Perhaps I wasn’t clear so lets try it this way. The Polish will be giving the Ukrainians aircraft. The Ukrainian AF will fly them.
Thus the formerly Polish MIG aircraft will now be owned by Ukraine who will use Ukrainian AF pilots to operate them, just as they operate their current MIG aircraft.
NATO personnel or equipment won’t be involved. It’s the same thing as giving the Ukrainians Javelin anti tank weapons.
Where would the Ukrainians be flying these jets from? What airfield would they be taking off from? If you say anywhere in Ukraine they wont last long. If you say from another country, that is even scarier.
They would have to exit Poland to Ukraine. The Ukrainian AF is still operating in Ukraine. Obviously these aircraft would face the same operational conditions as the aircraft the Ukrainians are currently flying; Russian Aircraft, Russian anti aircraft fire, cratered runways, fuel problems, ordinance shortage…..
Not that I think this proposal is going to happen; it’s just speculation for now.
Yes. And, who is to say that visitors to Ukraine must not know how to fly MIGs?
Commo Chief – Poland has 3 squadrons of F-16’s, purchased new in 2005 from Lockheed Martin, and are fully trained and proficient in flight operations, as well as having highly trained maintenance specialists, spare aircraft parts and all support equipment.
Popped that balloon!
Yep, but Poland still has MiG-29’s that are part of the 1-2 squadrons still on the books, which they have been trying to change out for at least the last 2+ years due to logistics costs. Those are the aircraft to be “given” the Ukraine.
The Ukraine HAD 2 squadrons of MiG-29’s on the books when the fighting started. So, “trained” pilots are not an issue, as claimed by the Ukrainian President if one believe the claim.
Deployment, basing, arming and sustaining are the minor points being ignored.
To be fair, there would be a transition for the Squadron(s) loosing the MiG-29’s but you are right on the mark as far as logistics is concerned. Poland is already supporting the F-16 under licenses with Lockheed to a Polish Aerospace Company.
Excellent point. Those maintenance and flight personnel currently flying F16 won’t need retraining or transition. However the MIG pilots and MIG maintenance personnel will need retraining from the MIG to the F16. Additionally the Polish will still need replacement aircraft for the MIGs transferred to Ukraine in this plan. Unless you are arguing that the Polish won’t replace those air frames and will be content with less aircraft. That’s possible.
Of course if the Polish do decide to purchase additional F16 then they will need more F16 spare parts to support the additional F16, as well as additional F16 qualified pilots and F16 qualified maintenance personnel to support them.
A wonderful win for the UniParty. NOT for the poor souls having to fight and die for their war.
Betting against the defense contractors not making money in the current environment is unserious. No more Iraq/Afghan conflict and thus additional profit so they find themselves presented with a replacement revenue stream as NATO members up defense spending.
LOL, the MIGs are based on the stolen plans of our aircraft. Just look at them side by side. No need for reeducation.
Seems to me our government who now with Biden in charge hates the fact that the Polish leader was a big Trump fan.
So what they’re doing is trying to trick him into antagonizing the Russians so they’ll take him out and his country. To me this is a coordinated plan by our own leftist government helping out another communist country (Russia) Boden s still buying oil from him, then there’s rumor he’s trying to get Venezuela to chip in more oil to ease the prices here so he can claim a victory!
Can someone tell me why this administration deals with all these bad countries who hate us? Every time I turn around and read something, Biden is doing something that hurts us. Now there’s the easing of sanctions on Iran? This administration has got to GO!
It was mentioned in another thread, that the Venezuelan oil is a HEAVY oil that most of the refineries in the US wouldn’t be able to process. Plus we haven’t been building many new refineries, here.
Now that they have their vote cheating down to a science, looks like the deep state is grooming Pence as the next woke anti-white, border flooding dictator, I mean, president.
Confusion…. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/06/blinken-claims-he-working-polish-jet-plan-poland-called-fake-news/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10583345/U-S-leaders-shoot-creating-Ukraine-no-fly-zone-Rubio-warns-lead-World-War-III.html
If Ukraine was not so corrupt, they could have bought 100s of Super Tucano attack planes. Relatively cheap, easy to fly, perfect for an insurgency.
X-Wings, more maneuverable. Maybe even Y’s.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700442
So, what IS the truth.
Poland is denying this.
Biden/Blinken trying to push Poland into it?
That’s my take. Poland would be stupid to do this honestly.
In a word…yes. Biden is just that reckless and stupid.
However, does anyone really believe anything that Brandon says???
I fear it as well.
Anything that derives from common sense and benefit to America is impossible from this crew.
If you ask me, the CIA and State Department are one and the same. Oh and the intelligence services too.
Note how never Trumper Peter Strozk came to the FBI from the CIA.
They’re all one and the same now. Zelenskyy is getting the Obama idolized treatment in the media now. They’re even doing those ridiculous abstract posters of him.
His days are numbered. The deep state is almost finished using him for a much bigger and longer war. Our corrupt government even has his replacement already picked out. It won’t be the Russians that do him in… you can count on that. The cabal wants regime change now. They’ve got some money to steal and launder from the U.S. taxpayer.
These are the same people who called Trump a warmonger…
This.
And a “dictator” LMAO. Everything they said about DJT was exactly who they are.
Who is paying for all this “FREE STUFF”……another Marshall Plan I the works!
80% of Americans likely haven’t a clue what’s going on in the Ukraine.
Regular Gasoline $4.00/gallon and stations starting to go to “cash only”.
It’s all going to hit the fan this coming week.
Shortages on the way…..Florida snowbirds going to have a hard time driving North….gas stations here in SWFL already lining up waiting for a pump!
A number of FBO airports in central Florida are out of avgas. When has that ever happened??
This is the final nail in the coffin of America. My prediction is there will be no 2022 elections that harm the status quo. It is not a country anymore as far as I can tell. Piglosi said we, more than half the country are enemies of the state. Take everything these child fkng monsters say at face value.
Poland would give the planes but not Polish pilots, I’m thinking. So, the US would have to be training Ukrainian pilots…..together with the planes that is an act of war.
Dear God, please don’t let this go through.
The Polish aircraft to be provided are MIG-29’s, which the Ukrainian Air Force is already trained to fly. The Ukraine HAD about 30+ M-29’s on their books before the invasion. The Polish have about 20+ MIG-29’s they have been planning to replace for the last 2+ years.
No training required.
Basing, armament and sustaining them in the Ukraine….is another problem.
These actions show Poland, NATO, US, UK do not care about Ukrainian people and are trying to escalate to WW3.
Exactly!!!!
Ukraine and the Ukrainian people are being set up for disaster:
On puppet Zelensky (also controlled by Ukrainian oligarch Kolomoisky):
The Man Who Sold Ukraine
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-man-who-sold-ukraine/
But here’s the important thing: All of the main actors in this fiasco knew from the very beginning that Ukraine had no chance of defeating the Russian army. That was a foregone conclusion. So–what we want to know– is why Zelenskyy didn’t take steps to avoid the tragedy before it unfolded?
The answer to this question helps to reveal ‘who Zelenskyy really is’.
Ask yourself this: Why didn’t Zelenskyy negotiate with Putin when he had the chance? Why didn’t he pull back his 60,000 troops from the east? Why didn’t he stop Washington’s weapons shipments? Why didn’t he implement the Minsk Treaty? Why didn’t he reject NATO’s offer for membership?
Finally, why was so intent on doing the things that he knew would anger Moscow and increase the likelihood of a war?
These questions are not hard to answer.
Zelenskyy has been acting on orders from Washington from the get-go. We know that. He’s also been implementing Washington’s agenda not his own and certainly not Ukraine’s. We know that, too. But that does not absolve him from responsibility. After all, he is a full-grown adult capable of distinguishing between right from wrong. He knows what he’s doing, and he knows that it’s wrong; worse than wrong, it’s inexcusable. He’s sending men to die in a war he knows they can’t win; he’s inflicting incalculable suffering and injury on his own people for no reason at all; and –worst of all– he’s cleared the way for the dissolution of Ukraine itself, the country he was sworn to defend. That country is going to be broken into bits as part of a final settlement with Russia, and Zelenskyy will share a good part of the blame.
This is help from media with classic propaganda – naturally fake news. Look up the original Austrian news ““Demo gegen Klimatpolitik”. Everything, anything these people and their media stooges say or film have long lost credit in this household.
@LouieKerr8 Is this the beginning of the walking dead …
Wait one damn minute… I think we got a live one! Oopsie…
Same here- no trust in the US govt or the MSM!!!
Russia has already won and these idiots know it. They are trying to save face with their teenage temper jealousy tantrums. “How dare that Putin! We are the ones that invade! We could have been there for the next 20 years laundering taxpayer dollars, dumping billions in modern war machinery creating poverty and death! How dare he!” It is a pointless waste of life to make things worse giving planes or weapons to women and children except set them up as collateral damage. Russia is keeping power/utilities on trying to do as little damage as possible. When the US went into Iraq they fkn flattened the place with total disregard. I remember seeing rampant looting while our soldiers were told to just watch the mayhem. No plan at all except “shock and awe.”
So Poland will get brand spanking new F22 and F35s for their old dilapidated garbage that will never see take off ?
When one NATO country is in a conflict it means the all are
So at the time when VSG Trump was proposing moving military from Germany to Poland I thought sure why not makes sense.
But now after all the red pills I’ve scarfed down over the past two years I would say no, just leave it all alone. Take all our forces and money out of NATO.
De-militarizing the US out of the world was the main reason I voted for him.
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So the elites wouldn’t mind a little war with Russia.
The US is going to replace those fighters from the vast US stock of Sus and Migs, I take it.
I hope it is fake news. I hope Poland will steadfastly avoid doing this. I hope Blinken is talking rubbish.
As soon as I saw the headline, I thought – OK, a Polish military jet gets shot down over Ukraine, and we, as a NATO partner of Poland have an obligation to come to Poland’s aid. Then the dominos tumble like they did at the outset of WW1 and WW2.
Bad as the crap about vaccinations and masks was, it was probably better better than having our rulers push us into WW3.
This is a HUGE mistake
To much for anyone…..I really hope this is not true… If you are foolish enough to provide planes with Nato and US blessings then get out a lot of body bags and expect the only possible retaliation…
What will happen is Russia will make a point of shooting down as many planes as possible and… if they run to Poland the Migs will follow back to their home base and will destroy them and anyone who gets in their way….. and then we say we have been attacked and introduce article 5
And you and I my friend are going to be forced into a few blinding flashes and taken straight back to the stone age…… heck I am nearly 70….. so its the young ones I worry about….
Poland said it is a fake news.
This is more believable. The Russians have destroyed all Ukrainian military air strips. They will have patrols at all the western borders catching any arms leaking in, and no doubt have drones watching from above. It doesn’t appear conceivable any war planes will be able to get through the borders intact.
Just so we’re straight. Blinken, Austin, Biden, Clinton and Garland don’t speak for me. I say Blinken, Austin, Biden, Clinton and Garland are protecting AZOV NAZIS.
Left out Nuland and Sullivan.
But yeah, that’s about right. In fact, the US is funneling money to the Nazi Azov Battalion. It washes a few hands, eventually making its way to utterly corrupt mafia oligarch Kolomoiskiy, who is Zelensky’s patron and got him into the presidency, but yeah. You got it right.
If this isn’t the classic definition of a U.S. proxy war with Russia, then I don’t know what is.
see pinned tweet from Aaron Mate- criminal liar, Adam Schiff (at shampeachment) saying we arm Ukraine so we can fight Russia over there and don’t have to fight Russia here (they openly admit they are using Ukraine to fight Russia)
This guy is a failed blinken leftist fu***** loser and idiot! A clueless wanna be amateur who is in way over his head. An American home grown fool for someone like Putin to toy with. But then that pretty much describes this entire administration of dilettantes.
A great book titled “The Dumbest Generation Grows UP” by Mark Buerlein explains just exactly how this generation were doomed to failing in the real world due to tech driven lives and self aggrandizement they were taught from the very beginning. It’s the pathetic result of the generation before, their parents, kneeling timidly before their grown offspring who were religious diciples of the computer screen and their own self importance. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Our neighbor, with grown children, explained to me how they coerced him into getting this Covid injection. They told him they would not be allow him to see their grand children until they got vaccinated. They knew better, but did it anyway under this threat. He is now a complete vegetable with severe heart damage as a result. He is in denial because he’s too invested in his own stupidity to face the truth. His wife, however, is straight up honest about this deadly vaccine and the results. It just pisses me off to see people with far more knowledge and experience than their children allowing themselves to be coerced into something like this.
Buerlein explains this phenomenon in excruciating detail. It doesn’t bode well for the future of an America run by college graduates that are now marginally qualified as baristas at Starbucks. Or even worse, single function techies, that have very little real world skills or experience…. and a distinct lack of testosterone. This is where we are today.
All of Biden’s minions including Blinken easily fold to the pressure to help Ukrainians despite the risks of expanding the war but they won’t rethink or bend in any way to help Americans.
There are many examples including the open border where the millions of illegal crossings at the U.S. southern border have been replaced in the news by the plight of Ukrainian refugees. Why not both?
The costly damage done to American produced energy is in the news, but again not a sign of rethinking their policy to help Americans. Of course there are other examples.
Biden, like Trudeau, gets away with his duplicity especially now that Ukraine is alone as the ultra high top priority of elected politicians and the media. The war is despicable and deserves coverage but it isn’t the only cause of hardships at home. Can’t the media leave an hour a day at least for issues affecting their own citizens. Rising gas price reports are not enough.
Why are we seeing this all played out on TV? First, one of the most mushy secretary’s of State who can’t answer one question or give one solid answer. Secondly, why are we even in “talks” with Iran over that horrid JCPOA. Planes with pallets of cash in many countries’ currency?
Their aim is to eliminate Israel, now that they have a new liberal leader, by whatever means possible.
President Trump had peace in the Middle East, no matter what is said. This circus of an administration is trying to salvage zero’s so-called legacy and will be the end of us and many innocents in the world.
On the Stupidity Scale, this ranks about .02% behind the idiocy of a ‘no fly zone.’ You wanna give Russia a causus belli, well, here you go.
Talk about our own government creating a fog of war for it’s own people.
So disturbingly transparent.
Bald-faced lies.
Blinker is soo bad.
Wrong guy at the wrong time.
All voted in by our GOPe chickenhacks…..
Well that turned out to be more BS from the Brandon administration.
Liars all!
This looks like a big money laundering operation, done in broad daylight, using aircraft instead of money.
US sells F-16s to Poland. Poland sends their old MiGs to Germany. US gifts (thanks McConnell) 14 billion in “humanitarian” aid to Ukraine. Ukraine buys old Polish MiGs in Germany. CIA operatives handle the money “exchange” where US senators etc. take a cut for pushing the money that fuels this deal. Everyone involved denies involvement/wrongdoing/nefarious intent.