Senate Republicans produced a video today announcing their position toward Ukraine. WATCH:
Accept things as they are, not as you would wish them to be.
Place your bets on whether blue and yellow ribbons will be deployed for all State of the Union attendees?
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This website claims as its mission “Being intolerant of hate and division.”
The headline of this piece is antithetical to that mission.
I just discovered this website yesterday, having been told it was a good source of conservative conversation. And I agree with your mission statement and commenting guidelines.
But it apalls me that you equate supporting Ukraine with supporting Soros. Many conservatives who loathe Soros also support Ukraine. We can’t help it that he’s accidentally right for once.
Why do you seek to divide conservatives?
And worse yet with a dishonest headline that mischaracterizes the featured video as supporting Soros?
This guilt-by-association tactic is just as reprehensible when used by conservatives as it is when used by leftists. For example they find one of maybe three actual white supremacists in America, and because that horrible person supports Trump, that makes it evil to support Trump.
If you can’t follow your own (excellent) rules why should anyone who comments here?
And if you can’t put into practice what you preach, why would anyone keep visiting?
Check out the other politicians in full support.
Respectfully, Patriot, I don’t care what any politician thinks about this or which side they take. I think for myself.
I stand with Ukraine (the Ukrainian people, not any given Ukranian government) because they were oppressed by Russia for nearly half of the last century and now invaded twice in this one. No wonder they want to look to the West, as flawed as the West certainly is.
Although I side with Ukraine, I do not favor provoking a war with Russia, especially when Biden is president.
Biden just said that Americans don’t need to worry about nuclear war with Russia.
That should terrify every American, because he’s hardly ever been right in his whole life.
Why stand with Ukraine? Didn’t their democratically elected government pursue a strategy of trying to play NATO/EU off against Russia while knowing that that strategy was problematic for the Bear next door? Why would you deliberately and for years publicly antagonize Russia? What made Ukraine think that was in their national interest?
Why should I give an F what happens to them? That have zero responsibility for me, apparently.
“What made Ukraine think that was in their national interest?”
Nearly 50 years of suffering under Communist totalitarianism from Russia.
“Why should I give an F what happens to them?”
I dunno, human decency maybe? But I don’t really give a fig whether you care or not. Just don’t demonize me for caring like the headline of this post did.
The humanly decent thing to do was for Ukraine to steer a course of national security that would have the lowest probability of invasion by Russia. That would have been humanly decent given Ukraine’s specific history and geography. But no, Ukraine’s dimwit leaders apparently prefer to rely on my human decency rather than their own.
They believed that siding with the West WAS such a course. There’s no guarantee that following a different policy would have fared any better.
Putin has openly stated a desire to reconstitute the Soviet empire. Georgia got invaded under different pretenses. Putin didn’t invade because of Ukraine’s actions, he invaded because he knew he could get away with it thanks to Biden’s actions.
Well said.
Siding with the West apparently was a tragic miscalculation.
Again.
“Putin has openly stated a desire to reconstitute the Soviet empire. ” ~ R R
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Got a link for that please?
Not some journ0list supposedly quoting him
but an actual video showing him saying it
otherwise it’s just secondhand hearsay.
Next they’ll want to ban Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rachmaninoff, and Rimsky-Korsakoff.
“Putin has openly stated a desire to reconstitute the Soviet empire. ”
Russia has an economy roughly the size of Spain, as a vehicle to finance their lofty expansion ambitions.
My money is on the more likely possibility of Spain wheeling out Torquemada and kicking off Inquisition 2.0.
And babushka’s and the balalaika, lol.
No, he has not. You are conflating pre-WW1 Russia’s boundaries with Soviet Russia.
I’ll work on the assumption that you are noble person. Unlike, say, Biden, Clinton et al who were paid huge sums of money by the very government/people you wish to protect. Like it or not, you’re walking into the middle of domestic divisions. Expressed differently, there are competing versions of what constitutes ethical behavior and earned respect.
The Ukraine has been having civil war every few years.
East Ukraine against West Ukraine. Their civil wars are brutal and bloody.
Uh, there was this thing called the Minsk agreement. You heard of that, right? Massive money laundering of our foreign aid (our tax dollars!) by our corrupt politicians. DJT just mentioned Ukraine and the DC deep state went absolutely bananas. That tells you everything you need to know. And this statement that Putin desired to reconstruct the Soviet Union? He never said that as far as I know, but our talking heads repeat it like a broken record. So go ahead and listen to the lamestream media. They would never say anything dishonest…
So since you care about the people, how do you feel about the eastern provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk, which where getting repeatedly shelled under authorization from Zelenski?
For sure, we should care for all people, for all Ukranians (peoples living in Ukraine) which, ahem… would include those persecuted in the Eastern provinces under Zelenski.
That is what makes this so complicated. How do we support all peoples in Ukraine? Is supporting Western Govts and their Media which installed and propped up the past and current Ukranian puppet regimes with all their corruption the best way to support “the people” you so care about, let alone ALL the people, including those persecuted in Donetsk and Lugansk?
Most if not all here care not just about the people in Central and Western Ukraine, but all the people, including those who’ve suffered in Eastern Ukraine.
What I sense is a normal, emotional reaction to a new perspective on these matters that you haven’t been exposed to before. It happens to all of us at times–I remember the emotional struggle I underwent when others patiently went through the process of liberating my mind from the Matrix of NeoConservatism. It didn’t happen overnight. It took time.
My suggestion is to try first listening/reading the many substantial posts here on this and past threads on this Ukraine conflict and really think about what they’re saying. Your perspective may not change, but at very least you may gain a better understanding of alternative perspectives and the reasoning behind it.
The deeper reality to some here is a war between NWO Globalism and Nationalism, with Ukraine being the current battlefield. There is no perfect this side of Heaven, but which is better for all the people in Ukraine in the long run, let alone other countries, including the US?
salute!
Recommend him watching the Oliver Stone documentary- 2016 Ukraine on Fire. It’s on YouTube…
Perhaps it will be a refresher course of what was happening up to 2016.
“My suggestion is to try first listening/reading the many substantial posts here on this and past threads on this Ukraine conflict and really think about what they’re saying”
I’ve done that on this site and also Citizens Free Press.
“Your perspective may not change, but at very least you may gain a better understanding of alternative perspectives and the reasoning behind it.”
Everyone arguing with me here seems to assume that they know more than me and I am uninformed. I’m sure there are some people who agree with me that are uninformed about the counter-arguments. However I have listened to the reasoning, I believe I understand it and I have tried to articulate where I disagree.
It appears to me that, for the most part, those who disagree with me place different relative values than I do on the actions of Ukraine, the actions of Russia and the actions of others involved. Most people at least concede Putin is not a good guy here, though some seem to bend over backwards to avoid criticizing him. And a few actually DO seem to think he’s performing a benevolent service to the world. More information isn’t likely to change that I view murderous land grab invasions as pretty close to as evil as a country can get. (Even fully understanding the arbitrary nature of changing historic boundaries and the troubled history of the region. Geez, sounds like a discussion of the Middle East.)
Not intended sarcastically or rhetorically, but if Putin uses nukes, does that change some minds. Is that his fault or that of the West?
By the way I’m in no way excusing the West or Ukraine for wrong provocative actions and I also blame Biden for the energy policy and displays of weakness that financed and emboldened Putin. But all of that while contributing to this mess does not justify Putin in my eyes. They forced this on him? Not buying that.
Ok, well, let’s review the history leading up to the present. A piece by Hank Sullivan lays out some of the events that are worth considering:
“Although there is much more to understand, below you will find all you really need to know to conclude that you have been misled by the American corporate media and certainly the individual who purportedly lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue:
(1) In 2014, the Obama State Department under the direction of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, orchestrated an overthrow of the democratically-elected government of Ukraine.
(2) Subsequently, Nuland hand-selected Ukraine’s executive government, as well as its new prime minister, an individual by the name of Arseniy Yatzenuk.
(3) Members of the previously-elected Ukrainian government were made to flee the country for their lives.
(4) Ukraine has been operated as a George Soros backed puppet state ever since.
(5) Citing the illegitimacy of the new puppet government, in May of 2014, Crimea in Southern Ukraine voted to separate and join with Russia.
(6) Soon thereafter, citing the same reason, the peoples of two areas in eastern Ukraine, Donetsk and Lugansk, within a larger region called Donbas, all of which border Russia, voted to separate and declare independence.
(7) Supplied with illegal weaponry by NATO, the puppet Ukrainian regime began a military operation shelling the newly declared independent states. The shelling up against the border of Russia has continued non-stop for the last 8 years.
(8) In April, 2019, Volodymyr Zelenski became President of Ukraine.
(9) Zelenski continued the attacks on Donetsk and Lugansk until recently when President of Russia, Vladimir Putin announced a special military operation designed to halt the attacks on the two republics, destroy the Ukrainian military carrying out the attacks, and remove those responsible to whom he referred as Nazi’s from the Ukrainian Government, a process he described as, “de-nazification.”
And so that is the basic information that any rational American should be able to digest to understand why Vladimir Putin has felt it necessary to attack Ukraine. There are many other facts pertaining to the history should one be interested to research and study them. But none of that information mitigates the fact that since the first quarter of 2014, the Government of Ukraine has been an illegitimate, puppet state run by foreign interests whose policy has been to continually, and militarily encroach the border and patience of Russia and its leader, Vladimir Putin.
So whether one believes Vladimir Putin is a good guy, or a bad guy, whether one believes Putin has done things in his past that are difficult to reconcile with goodness and purity, in this case Vladimir Putin has had every good reason to do what he has done to protect his people, his neighbors, and to relieve the constant attacks planned and orchestrated by interests outside of Ukraine, using Ukraine as a surrogate.
Those ultimately running Ukraine in Kiev, and those ultimately running the United States in Washington DC, are the same people.”
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So, where was your care for these provinces? Do they not have a right to independence? Or is this just another “murderous land grab by Putin” as Fox News would have you believe? Look, most conservatives can agree on this, maybe you will too:
–The provinces of Donetsk and Luhansk should be allowed to secede from Ukraine if they so vote to do so.
– The US should get out of NATO
– The US State Department and Alphabets shouldn’t instigate, fund, support coups.
Yeah, like the coup they pulled off here in 2020. I’ve seen enough. My eyes are wide open.
NATO military invading Ukraine would be like Russian army invading Texas from Mexico. This is the concept you cannot grasp. If you can’t figure out why Putin threatened nukes then you are not as informed as you think.
I don’t just not trust the politicians that are pushing this, it’s the entire media. The same media that pushed the Russia hoax, Covid tyranny, 2020 safest election ever, and now this. Naturally, people are suspicious. I think citizens still care about their countries, but the elites are basically mercenaries. They’re loyal other interests.
If your skin is not thick enough for the headlines then God help you if you actually read the articles.
LOL
If I didn’t have a thick skin I’d have left already.
If you all are really interested in educating and persuading conservatives, who are clearly very divided on this issue, then might I suggest that a high percentage of persuadable conservatives probably don’t stick around when told their current opinion equates them with Soros.
Most people don’t enjoy this sort of “conflict”. I saw the headline as an interesting contradiction with the stated mission of the website. But many would interpret it as “opposing views not welcome here”.
“It is better to be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”
I hope not. Open conversation encouraged
Thanks Elizabeth,
Let me suggest the following headline change for this post would have been more in line with your hopes and also the stated mission of this website:
From:
Senate Republicans Release 2022 Ad Campaign to Support Ukraine and George Soros.
To:
Senate Republicans Release 2022 Ad Campaign to Support Ukraine. And George Soros?
See what I did there?
Conservatives have been accused by leftists for years now of supporting white supremacy, simply because they support Donald Trump. It’s offensive and not true.
So after years of that type of abuse is it any surprise that conservatives would not want to be accused by fellow conservatives of supporting George Soros, simply because they support Ukraine?
(And yes, I understand that it was Senate Republicans not all conservatives who were targeted, but if that association fallacy applies to them, than anyone else who supports Ukraine can correctly infer the same fallacy would be directed at them also.)
With the headline change I suggest, you would be inviting persuadable people to question their beliefs, rather than condemning them for their beliefs.
In the body of the post, you can still forcefully draw the same conclusion. I’d still argue it was a fallacious conclusion, but I’d feel invited, not attacked.
And really, the conclusion that supporting Ukraine equals supporting Soros isn’t the best framing of the most critical argument being made here. A better framing might be “US Senate supports Ukraine, failing to understand the Russian invasion is justifiable.” Or simply, “Putin’s invasion of Ukraine is justifiable.”
Communist totalitarianism?
Really?
Please watch the Documentary by Oliver Stone- 2016 Ukraine on Fire.
It’s on YouTube…they will be probably taking it down.
It’s a great refresher course on Ukraine and what has…and was happening up to 2016.
Unfortunately for the Ukrainian people they are pawns in a game.
Zelensky was installed not elected.
He imprisoned his opposition.
Ukraine is not a democracy.
Ukraine is a giant foriegn aid money laundering operation to US elected officials.
Samantha Powers (an Obama Hack) is now running USAID. USAID is one of the major US money laundering operation of the US cleptocracy.
Watch the money flow to NGO’s to help Ukraine as American pols get rich.
Remember Haiti and the Clinton Foundation.
And so with Trump sidelined the grift continues.
And Linda Grahamnesty and the Ghost of John McStain lift their amber colored booze and toast.
Que the operatic music…
Pray for the innocent people of Ukraine tonight.
The corruption there is at least out in the open; how many American politicians, professionals or businesses do you actually trust?
There are however decent, honest and loving people living in Ukraine (I personal know a few); it is for them whom we should have compassion.
“I dunno, human decency maybe? “
You do not go to war with a nuclear armed power over human decency.
You only risk WWIII, because your own country’s survival depends on it.
I agree with you.
Somewhere else on this thread I commented that my “support” for Ukraine only means I’m “rooting for” them.
I do not support going to war and risking WW3 for them, especially with Biden and his team of idiots in charge right now.
Well said! Thank you!
The government in Ukraine is no more the people of Ukraine than the government of the United States is the people of the United States.
Surely we learned that for 4 years of the last Presidency as one man in the Oval had to fight off the corrupt institutions of our won own land to protect us.
You are right. And like the Ukrainians we will someday get what we deserve for our tolerance of those corrupt institutions.
Agreed. And it may happen even sooner than we think unless more well-meaning but duped conservatives are freed from the barrage of Globalist propaganda being fed them on Fox News.
Winner Chicken Dinner!
People are not the government that I didn’t consent to, that I protested agains, so I don’t take blame for nothing. The moment you take blame and blame yourself, you just gave your life away to the WEF globalists. It’s okay if that’s what you want to do, but I ain’t havin it.
And when they don’t like their government…which is every few years ….they start very brutal and bloody civil wars. And overthrow their government
East Ukraine against West Ukraine.
If I recall correctly, Bill Clinton promised that we, the U.S., would provide cover for Ukraine if they would peacefully surrender their Nuclear Weapons after the Soviet breakup. I guess nowadays our word is no better than Kim Jung Il in matters of strategic importance.
our word <> my word
I have zero inside info, but the little I’ve seen – some of it provided by this very site – looks like a tell that the US Inner State (incl Biden) did the baiting. Biden told Zelensky that NATO membership would be there whenever he wanted it. Given Ukraine’s history and their desperate poverty (perhaps increased by kleptocrat governments) NATO membership is a no-brainer.
I know nothing about Zelensky other than that he didn’t do a Trudeau or a Biden when his country hit rough water. The Biden admin offered him not airfields to for Ukranian pilots, not a mobile anti-aircraft battery, but a personal escape route outta town, with the implication that he gets a comfortable deal of some kind for himself. Taking that would have led to a collapse in moral Russia rolling over them. He refused and is said to be still in the capital. So is his opponent, both are handing out rifles to their country’s people.
Considering that a fair % of the country was starved sent on a death march to Siberia (the intent being that they never return) by the Communists I figure there must be some good in them.
I should add that I only know what I see on the web. The full truth, the context, the reality of Ukraine and Russia right now for this conflict are things I have only the barest notion of.
Watch documentary by Oliver Stone 2016 Ukraine on Fire. It is on YouTube.
Very informative.
Do you believe Ukraine has a duly elected president and government, and that said government puts the interests and well being of the people first ? The ‘people’ in any country in any such conflict always bare the front of the atrocities and hardships. Ukraine’s history is full of such sagas mainly due to its geographic location. And this episode is no different then the previous ones.
I believe it is the easy way out by saying one supports the ‘people’. Pure emotion, will not get an argument when stating such. It allows one to avoid all the actual facts and reasons for the conflict. And you say they look to a ‘flawed west’ for salvation. Maybe their lives are a reflection of the ‘flawed west’ imposing themselves on them ? More likely they are just pawns as are we.
“The People” The smooth easy path.
Yes you are correct that “The ‘people’ in any country in any such conflict always bare the front of the atrocities and hardships.”
But for all the faults of the Ukrainian government, Ukraine is the victim, not the aggressor. The hardships they are enduring now are the fault of the Russian government’s land grab, not their own government’s corruption.
It bears repeating: even a prostitute does not deserve to be raped and murdered. Blame the villain, not the victim.
So far as to your comments I stand by mine. You’re all emotion and have not attempted to back up your ‘feelings’ for the Ukrainian folks with any hard facts other than ‘Putin bad man’.
Putin is a BIG bad man. He’s got the money (thanks Joey) and the war machine and he has Crimea. Trump was a deterrent.
I don’t think its about feelings as much as it is about a bully taking advantage of a smaller man. That’s why the useless UN was created. They’ll never do anything to help anyone except spend money aimlessly allotted to them for this exact reason.
I remember a social studies teacher in HS who reminded us that the continental US has been left alone in an invasion because of our geographic location. We’re protected by two large oceans on two sides and we have mountainous regions to the north and south. Look at Europe in WWII. They were doomed to Nazi occupation and Ukraine is no different.
No, not all emotion. I have intellectually come to the conclusion that invading a sovereign country and murdering their people in order to seize their land is a greater moral evil than a government that holds power through corruption but hasn’t yet gone full totalitarian.
I find your comment somewhat ironic on a thread where “Soros bad man” is the primary (and most assuredly emotionally-charged) argument.
Are you as intellectual about our Southern border?
Although conservatives differ on how we view this Ukraine conflict, I’m fairly confident that I share the same view on our Southern border issues that is held by the people who are debating me about Ukraine.
Is that what you are asking, or are you being sarcastic or snarky?
Or, against the odds, are you complimenting my intellectual prowess?
No tonal clues here, but I’m mostly receiving condescension, so forgive me if I’m wrongly taking your comment as more of the same.
How about invading them not with a military army but with an army of NGOs, self promoting politicians, dark monies (Soros?), IMF solutions(austerities), radical groups, ambassadors(CIA), your “I’m here to help” State Dept. persons and a host of smaller organizations all funded and whose primary goal is a regime change with no regard to what may happen to the average citizens who gets caught up in the fueled frenzy.
Wonder who did all that in the past, oh say 9 years ago ?
Same thing different strategy.
Both are evil, but physically blowing people into smithereens is a greater evil. Not the same thing.
Except it would be ok to blow Russian soldiers to smithereens? Right? And while assassination of a political leader is anathema to the United States Constitution, killing Putin in such a way would be ok in your book?
“Except it would be ok to blow Russian soldiers to smithereens? Right?”
I think everyone here agrees that the side who first took things too far is the side initially in the wrong. And that responding to unjustified escalation is justifiable, provided it is proportionate, not a further unjustified escalation. The arguments are over who went too far first, and which actions are escalations. Returning fire is a proportionate response to receiving fire.
“And while assassination of a political leader is anathema to the United States Constitution”
I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that I’ve heard several times that specific principle is based on later legislation or rulings, not the Constitution. If you know differently I’d welcome a link.
I do know that the Constitution says war must be declared by Congress, so I certainly don’t support the assassination of a foreign country’s leader without a declaration of war. Maybe that’s what you were getting at? And I certainly do NOT support declaring war on Russia right now.
>in order to seize their land
show proofs of this…
Some of Georgia, Crimea. They’ve already claimed, what, two parts of Eastern Ukraine. The proof will be in the outcome. If they give it back I will publicly admit I was wrong.
Can you point us to links of your protests against other countries doing the same thing in other parts of the world? Or is your emotional outrage selective?
I get the impression that there is no argument or evidence that will ever convince you to see that the motivations behind what is happening are far more complex than “Putin Bad Man is invading Holy and Good Ukraine.”
Well, I protested against Iran invading Kuwait, but that was a long time ago.
I will root for Taiwan if China invades.
If I was aware of land grabs in other parts of the world, I’d protest them, but such actions are fairly rare nowadays.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some that escaped my notice.
I don’t even remotely think Ukraine is Holy and Good. I agree that they (and the West) provoked Russia. However, so far, I’m not convinced that the escalation of the conflict by Putin was justifiable.
“No, not all emotion.”
As soon as you use the words “murdering” and “moral evil” you have become emotional by definition.
Get off that soap box and it is easier to read what you have to say.
Fair enough, but some of the responses against me are also full of emotionally charged words.
Emotion and logic should BOTH be used in conversation. Logic should be used to come to correct conclusions based on known information,and of course in persuasion. But if you don’t care about or change the emotions of people you are discussing things with, then you won’t change their minds either. (And the proportion of mind vs heart for each reader varies, which makes a debate with a large group quite difficult.)
You are quite illiterate in the history and geopolitics of Russia and Ukraine. Were you adequately literate, you could make a such declarative statement that Ukraine is the victim. This is not an issue of black and white, but many shades of gray…and geopolitics here make Russia a lighter shade of gray than Ukraine. Quite a bit so.
In my opinion Russians, Americans and non AZOV Ukrainians are the victims.
I’ve lived in Eastern Europe, albeit only briefly.
But you don’t know me or know anything about what I know about the history and geopolitics of Ukraine. It appears to me that you come to the conclusion that I’m illiterate about these things solely because you can’t conceive that a good and intelligent person could possibly know the same information as you and yet come to a different value judgment. Seems kind of condescending and arrogant if you ask me, but I’d like to keep more of an open mind about you than you’ve done with me. And to be fair lots of people have trouble with that on both sides of most issues.
In my opinion when it comes to assigning blame for the current mess, the people of Ukraine are gray, the western globalists, Biden administration and Zelensky administrations are very dark gray and Putin is black.
You’re all entitled to think that is simplistic and wrong if you wish. But I hope you can realize that “more information” might make my “gray” value judgment darker but it still won’t be darker than my “black” value judgment.
Nor am I likely to be persuaded to lighten the “black” judgment that something is entirely unacceptable by “more information.”
I don’t see much point in debating nearly all by myself the several people here who disagree with me much more as I won’t persuade them either, but I hope that I represented my side of the argument well enough to give permission to undecided readers to see it my way.
Thanks to the handful of people who gave me a thumbs up for some comments or who took my side or encouraged me with their brief comments.
Repeat this explaination but use the word AZOV. I hear Putin was goin after nazi’s. It’s amazin how Soros and State Department Cali National Guard, and BioWeapon Labs all support AZOV Nazi’s
>Do you believe Ukraine has a duly elected president and government
If they got broken chain of custody during an election or corrupted national security clearance I say no.
>that said government puts the interests and well being of the people first
their government does not.
they don’t have their best interest.
>The ‘people’ in any country in any such conflict always bare the front of the atrocities and hardships.
What if that didn’t happen. And it’s only a State Department (who proudly flies the transnaitonal terrorist BLM flag on their building) talking point to protect the corrupt democrat kids.
East Ukraine against West Ukraine.
Been going on for decades
Zelenskyy is as duly elected as Joe Biden.
And the “grassroots” regime change in Ukraine, was as authentic as in Libya.
The western third of the country once was part of Hungary and the people there speak Hungarian.
Much of the eastern third was part of Russi, then the CCCP, and people there today speak Russian.
People scurrying around in a Kiev train station Tuesday. (The Russians are coming.)
“People scurrying around in a Kiev train station Tuesday. (The Russians are coming.)”
Hurry up and WAIT.
So why exactly did the Ukrainians close off the water supply to the Krim by building a dam? The people of the Krim, who want to be part of Russia, have been almost without water for years now. Agriculture had become impossible. So I understand perfectly well why the Russian air force has recently bombed that dam.
Is sending granates to the Donbask region an excepted way for getting your opinion across? Is that the peaceful attitude that the United Nations and such approve of?
The United Nations / Nato dyncorp made the whole false narrative “systemic racism” to replace the police.
NATO Police Replacements – The New Police Will Have Bioweapons Training
I stand with Ukraine as well despite the war mongering and fear smears from “rightwing” publications and the abysmal lies told by a moron in the White House.
Watch the videos and witness the carnage. Young people with no political ax to grind, are weeping about the potential for great suffering amidst bomb blasts and an invading army of Russian thugs. I feel for them.
All JoeTard had to do was give or sell them all the munitions they needed last year. He’s an abject failure and we’re left with anti-Trump Neo-cons, beating drums of war solely to raise their polling.
The left knew this would happen in the vacuum left after 2020 election fraud/coup. Putin is a war criminal and no one did anything about him in Syria when he bombed hospitals and schools and they won’t stop him today. He annexed Crimea and now wants Ukraine to reunite Russia back into the former Soviet Union. These rubes knew this all would happen.
“Watch the videos and witness the carnage.” – Rick
Have been watching carefully for the past 6 days now and still have seen no real gun battles, war footage, or verifiable casualty counts. None. That’s what’s so odd about the situation in Ukraine.
Annexed Crimea ? Try a vote by the people where 90% turned out and 90% voted for alignment with Russia. Can’t even begin to absorb how you boiled down Syria to one sentence.
Still all emotion and no facts. I’m begging to wonder if you’re all hat and no cattle too.
Paid Democrat troll. You can always tell because they never give up.
To be clear here, Rick is a different poster than myself, posting as Retro Rick. So when you say “still all emotion” to him you are talking to a different person than the first one accused of that.
Thanks Rick, I agree with you. I think our opinion about Russia is still the majority opinion among conservatives even though you wouldn’t know it on this thread where they claim we are all duped.
But it’s encouraging to hear from a conservative that can observe evil and call it that in no uncertain terms. Used to be ONLY democrats had trouble with that. Sad that it has become an affliction among conservatives too, but I guess it is not surprising considering how our nation has turned away from God.
Factually speaking, not everyone in Ukraine is against re-uniting with Russia. Whatever the percentages, one needs to be careful when tossing around universals.
What other countries do you stand with because they were invaded? A difficult decision given European history!
Let us when you buy your ticket and leave for The Ukraine!
Yep! But I suspect it’ll be just like all those lefties claiming if Trump got elected, they’d leave the country. And they were all still here, twitting and shrieking and letting him live in their heads 24/7/365.
Right, let me know when you all volunteer to go there and serve in Russia’s noble army.
Besides I’m unvaxxed and won’t wear a mask on a plane, so the war will likely be over before I could get there. 🙂
Your read on the Ukraine-Russia situation is all wrong. You need to get up to speed. Here, watch these:
And here’s a good Oliver Stone documentary about the Euromaidan coup the US State Department helped orchestrate:
https://rumble.com/vw293p-ukraine-on-fire-2016-the-2014-maidan-coup-was-a-us-sponsored-color-revoluti.html?mref=27vwb&mc=axqra
I WILL STAND W UKRAINE AFTER THE BIOLABS AND OTHER GARBAGE MOUNTAINS HAVE BEEN CLEANED UP
That doesn’t really seem to be his objective. Looks more like his third land grab in the last four American presidencies.
If he even cares about these biolabs, he’s more the type to seize them for his own dubious ends than he is some kind of philanthropist who will destroy them as his noble gift to the world.
With utterly no basis for claiming that he appears to be making a land grab. If that were the case, his incursion would be much harder and swifter. Instead, he is using surgical strikes on military and certain other installations only, that exclude civilians. All these straw man arguments are not helping you state your case, with any gravitas. Might be better to just gain some literacy in the geopolitical foundations before lashing out.
If only Putin could find/show the Jan6th AZOV stolen Pelosi covert op’s server. that would be the shock the remaining sleeping people need to repair that broken memory segment, and wake up.
For all those pondering Russia and America have deal from 1993 to 2013 Megatons to Megawatts (DOE – ROSATOM) How are they SO bad again?
Not excluding civilians much any more according to recent reports.
The only entities that have expanded in any meaningful way over the span of the last 30 years have been, the European Union, and NATO.
If you are pushing the Russian Empire is expanding trope, few here will be buying.
what about the 2020 election?
Well perhaps this site is not your cup of tea OR you are missing bits of critical info.
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Hang around you might learn something.
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God began a good work in you. And I am sure that he will carry it on until it is completed. That will be on the day Christ Jesus returns. Philippians 1:6
I will likely hang around for a while at least, because, so far, I haven’t seen wholesale disregard for the excellent commenting rules… With the host being the sad exception.
But I enjoy spirited debate with respectful people who disagree with me, and you seem to be one such person.
However you didn’t address my points. Do you think the headline was NOT divisive?
Do you support guilt-by-association arguments?
I support Soros because I support Ukraine? That’s as offensive to me as being called a white supremacist for supporting Trump.
He is saying the senate rino’s are falling in line with the soros narative.. it’s been pointed out several times in the last few days that the i.c. is behind the drive to lionize this expedition while in the background the i.c. and king brandon were in fact the ones pushing the conflict to begin with.. a rope a dope if you will… Ukraine was the rope… the GOP was the dope. Savy?
“He is saying the senate rino’s are falling in line with the soros narative”
Might be what he meant, but it’s not what he SAID.
He equated supporting Ukraine with supporting Soros. That’s false, illogical and offensive. Savy?
Minutia.
Or ammunition ?
Keep firing, ya might hit something yet.
It isn’t false, it isn’t illogical, and only offensive if you let it be.
Yes it is illogical. Committing a logical fallacy is illogical.
Equating support of Ukraine to support of Soros is an example of an Association Fallacy.
Apparently some of you who claim more historical and geopolitical knowledge than me need to do some reading on logic and fallacies.
If you stick around you will learn the language we use here. Including Sundance humor.
Lighten up. Read prior articles. Open your mind.
Your pretty brave. I have been a Treeper for years.
I spent months reading all the posts. I never commented. I read the comments…and that was all.
Stick around and read for awhile. Will make a mighty big difference I believe.
Lighten up?
I’m (mostly) enjoying this. I like the debate, but I’m saddened by the value judgments that I disagree with. Conservatives used to share values much more than they do today.
This site is very similar to the comment threads on Citizens Free Press, however that site allows downvoting which sadly takes the place of letting cowardly snipers disapprove without explaining why.
It also does not label who is being responded, so when a comment elicits a deeper discussion it becomes hard to tell who says what to whom.
And it has so many posts that if you are even slightly slow in response no one will even see your response to them.
All that to say yeah I’ll probably stick around. And for a while,in the interest of saving time, comment only where I agree. This was fun, but I spent waaaaay more time here than I should have.
So you are a Senate Republican?
I think it is called troll?
Ukraine IS Soros, and Soros IS Ukraine, he owns the place, he created it. So yeah, if one supports Ukraine then they do support Soros, Clinton, and Biden. That is not to say I don’t feel bad for the average Ukraine citizen, I don’t want anyone to be caught up in a war, but to buy into the propaganda such as the nauseating commercial posted, and the gibberish of the MSM, is just being one of their tools.
I feel bad for us as American citizens because we will pay dearly for this garbage and their corruption. And quite frankly I feel bad for the Russians, so boo on me.
Learn how to understand the propaganda and the psy-ops before getting all emotionally tied to believing what is seen. Learn that the GOP is not your friend, they are the Uni-Party. Learn who the real enemies are.
Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see, and don’t get sucked in by “the children”. Anyone w/any age on them understands this in the topic of politics.
“don’t get sucked in by ‘the children’. Anyone w/any age on them understands this in the topic of politics.”
Being 60 myself, I couldn’t agree with that comment more.
I don’t agree with your take on this Ukraine issue, but, considering the website name and your screen name, it’s a fair bet we agree on most political topics.
I really am tempted to respond to more of what you wrote, but I think I’d prefer to focus on what we agree on for now and look forward to building a foundation for future conversation.
Right on
>I support Soros because I support Ukraine?
Missing from the words is AZOV..
Why do you support AZOV Nazi’s too?
Wasn’t AZOV bombin other parts of their own country harming their own citizens. (there I just protected Ukrainians, but have they been tricked/lied/deceived to pick up arms as well?)
How does California national guard and AZOV / NABU fit together. In a big nazi pow-wow?
Putin said he’s after Nazi’s. Are you saying AZOV isn’t nazi?
If soros is backing ukraine it’s only because he profits. He’s not and never is ” accidenatally right “.
LOL, OK, good point.
Can I rephrase that to “right for the wrong reasons”?
Soros’ goal is the taking down of Putin: imagine the riches awaiting George.
Russia is the only place Soros isn’t welcome, people tend to forget that.
Have you known Soros to ever support anything that is good or righteous?
History tells me to be suspicious of anything that he supports.
The title of the article is true and just.
It’s up to us to question the motives. Do your own research.
Welcome! Give us a little time…. You will discover Treepers are not Divisive
We are Wolverines!
We question EVERYTHING.
That is the path to the Truth.
But we are respectful of each others ideas ….. even if we do not always agree.
Select a branch on our tree of Liberty and enjoy!
Thank you very much for your kind welcome 63bsb.
So far, I am enjoying defending my opinions.
Although I like the news layout of Citizens Free Press, the layout of the comment thread (no downvoting) and behavior of the commenters here seems decidedly better.
I’ll likely end up spending more time here than I should. 🙂
But Rick…that is just it…we deal in FACT.
Truth has no agenda.
Yes. We always have promoted that!
Thanks ! I was thinking same thing.
OK, be suspicious. I’m fine with that. It’s correct to QUESTION conclusions based on who is making arguments. But it is NOT correct to MAKE conclusions based on who is making arguments.
I’m NOT fine with guilt-by-association fallacious and dishonest arguments.
As another commenter pointed out Soros is likely supporting Ukraine entirely out of greed.
I am supporting Ukraine because they are the victim of a totalitarian dictator’s third land grab in four US presidencies.
It’s interesting to me that people using flawed logic keep insinuating I am ignorant and need to do more research. I’ve been reading pro-Russian arguments for several days now, first on Citizens Free Press and now here. And I’ve even followed some links.
Nothing I’ve read has changed my mind that Ukraine is the victim here. Even a prostitute does not deserve to be raped and murdered.
Victim.
Interesting choice of words there.
” It’s correct to QUESTION conclusions based on who is making arguments.”
Excellent point. I found this evaluation helpful: https://tuckercarlson.com/tucker-this-is-moral-blackmail-2/
How did we get to prostitution and rape?
Going fishing?
It’s called using an analogy to make a point.
How exactly are you supporting Ukraine? Good vibes don’t stop bombs.
I support them with nearly insignificant support. My support of my favorite baseball team doesn’t hit home runs either. In both cases I’ve wasted time on the internet arguing with supporters of a different team, for what little that’s worth.
I have been using the word “support” as a synonym for “root for”.
I am not in favor of any Americans giving Ukraine much more than “good vibes” support while Biden and his team of idiots are in charge. Anything beyond his current weak sanctions risks escalation too much.
Obviously the US should return to Trump’s energy policies but we all know that’s not happening.
If being a victim of a totalitarian dictator is reason to lend support. Should we not also show our support to the Russian citizens?
Totalitarian Dictator is False !
Russia is a Parliamentary Democracy.
Russian people elected Putin.
Riiiight. And we elected Biden.
Yes
Russia is a Parliamentry Democracy.
Putin was Elected.
Oh, good. We’ve finally got our own assigned “Diversity and Inclusion” shill. He even comes in preaching against “hate.”
Nothing about loving the Good, the True, the Beautiful, or about God, or Christ is King, or morality, or even following reality. Just inclusion and against “hate.”
If we aren’t inclusive of George Soros’ goals, why then we’re just a bunch of haters, because all good, upright ConInc members fully support Ukraine for [reasons].
Tell us, friend, why should we support Ukraine? Why should we be inclusive of those who do evil? Why should we be inclusive of actual, literal Nazis?
I never promoted inclusion, nor did I call anyone a hater or even use the word hate. I merely quoted the site’s own mission statement that divisiveness was to be EXCLUDED from this site.
I believe that Christ is King. He supported sinners when men who were even more evil victimized them. He did not condemn them, He defended them and asked them to repent and follow Him.
I’ve explained in other comments why I support Ukraine, so I won’t repeat that here.
Why should I support Russia?
You’re a liar. Your entire post that I repled to was nothing but being “pro-inclusion” while insinuating that the site and post was promoting division instead, apparently in opposition to the “site rules.”
No, you didn’t specifically use the word “hate.” You chose to imply it instead, with a lot of heavy-handed emotional non-arguments like being “apalled.”
You speak with forked tongue. You lie, you attempt to mislead, you attempt to deflect any illustration of this with weasel-words and technicalities. You are a Wormtongue.
Why should you support Russia?
— How about the only G8 nation actually fighting real, true Nazis? See the Azov battalian in Ukraine (more info available here:
https://archive.fo/1iBjr
and here: https://archive.fo/W9hTy )
— How about the Russians’ use of the R2P Doctrine (Responsibility to Protect, ironically pushed by Clinton and Samantha Power) of the innocent Russian-speaking Ukrainians undergoing ethnic cleansing and terror in east-Ukraine at the hands of the Azov militias?
— How about the Russians’ use of R2P to protect the diversity of the Ukrainian people who have had their language and culture outlawed by the Ukrainian puppet government installed by Soros, Obama, and the CIA in 2014?
–How about being the only G8 nation that has banned abortion after 12 weeks?
–How about the only G8 nation that has banned transgender BS or the promotion of sodomy and faggotry.
–How about the only G8 nation that openly states, reinforces, and attends to its Christian faith, with leaders that attend Mass and participate on national TV, especially on holy days like Christmas and Easter.
–How about the only G8 nation that is actively constructing national churches, and seeks to promote its religion and faith as meaningful and important in its people’s lives and culture.
–For that matter, how about the only G8 nation who actually seeks the betterment of its people and its culture, preferring their good to the good of foreigners it does not represent and has no duty towards.
–How about the only G8 nation that actively claims that Christ is King?
–How about the only G8 nation with a leader who was illegally baptized under a tyrannical regime opposed to his faith, who never-the-less kept his faith all these years and now actively celebrates it with his people, continuing to wear a metal cross gifted to him on the day he was baptized.
–How about the only G8 nation that has actually kept its accords, treaties, and promises in its dealings with the rest of the western world, only to be continually backstabbed, lied to, and thwarted by those who constantly attempt to push others to be more transparent and ethical.
In short, how about supporting the only actually Christian country in the G8, that acts on its Christian values, and has quite possibly the only leader with any hint of virtue or morality.
Being against dividing conservatives is NOT the same thing as “promoting inclusion.” I’m not advocating that this site welcomes leftists or doesn’t have enough representation of LGBTQ-POC-ETC.
It would be interesting to discuss your long list of reasons to support Russia with someone else.
But I have no interest in discussion with someone who calls me a liar and impugns my motives.
John F. Kennedy was going to start a war because Russia put missles in Cuba during the Cold War.
We were close to annihilateing Cuba.
What is the difference?
Well one difference is that the missiles were pulled out of Ukraine, way back in the Clinton administration.
Because the media and GOP tells us too/////
Go Stand with Soros and Romney. Enjoy yourself. Zelensky doesn’t even defend the whole Ukraine, he demonized the regions in the east. Our Oligarchs are going to get us all killed protecting their corrupt playground. Maybe if you are on the same side as Clinton, Soros, Constipation Face John Brennan, you should take a look at the situation again. Cheers
Hi Retro,
The reason we keep visiting this site is the incredible research that is consistently presented. Stick around, and you will eventually find yourself surprised and impressed at the depth of reporting that occurs here, and nowhere else.
Concerning the idea of supporting Ukraine/Soros…
you should try to look at some of the previous reporting from a few days ago. The rest of the media has told a certain story, and after careful research, Sundance has presented something very different from what the usual media-choir are singing on every other channel.
On this website, you will be challenged to consider that the truth might not be what the entirety of Western media have presented in unison.
Of course, letting go of the emotional storyline that has been playing for the past week might be too much. We will understand if that is the case. Regards.
Hi Hello Kitty,
Thank you for being among those on this thread calling me wrong kindly and politely.
I agree that the Western media almost never tells the truth. And when they do, you can bet it isn’t for innocent reasons.
I’m definitely going to read more on this site and will go back like you suggest.
But here’s a few tips for anyone who wants to change my mind on this issue:
1) Calling me a liar or impugning my motives as a different poster did will end conversation without my mind changing.
2) Calling my opinions emotion-based or uninformed isn’t true, except in the sense that only God knows everything. I am open to information I was previously unaware of, but:
3) My rooting for Ukraine is based much on the lesser-of-two evils concept. Value judgements. Most of the information I’ve been accused of being ignorant of here seems to be anti-Ukraine info. While that could darken my view of Ukraine, none of that is likely to be enough to put them past Putin in my opinion.
4) You might have a better shot persuading me to change my comparative value judgments by first persuading me that Putin is not as evil as I believe him to be. Probably a high bar though, and the only attempt at that I’ve seen has been by the guy who called me a liar and impugned my motives. So.
Thanks again, HK.
It was nice to meet you, electronically speaking.
You must first understand the Ukraine situation. Yes it is sad that the Ukrainian people are caught up in this. My prayers are with them. It’s not their fault that they live in one of the most corrupt countries on the globe. That is a fact. This is American politics at work. A real good number of American politicians have been lining there pockets with laundered money courtesy of the American taxpayer in Ukraine. That’s another fact. Joe and company needs a distraction especially given that their loosing the covid narrative. The Ukraine corruption is starting to come out and they can’t have any of this getting out so they send the Us state department spooks to go whisper in Xi’s ear that there going to endorse Ukraine for a membership into NATO and putin isn’t going to have any of that. We wasn’t having any or it back in 1962 when Russia parked missiles in Cuba. This is the 3rd term of Obama at work here. It’s called globalism. In order to take the United States down you provoke the only other country that isn’t buying into the globalism thing. But putin is being played too. So it’s a nasty situation all the way around. Use Russia to help take the US down, then China will stab Russia in the back when it’s all said and done.
My thoughts also.
Thanks
I have been reading all your responses on this thread.
Why are you here? Trolling.
Poor Ukraine. Poor Ukraine.
Well, we got a southern border that is not being enforced.
What about that? Hmmm?
It’s not just a bunch of refugees coming across the Rio Grande.
Hope you are prepared for the jihad within our borders facilitated
by the communist, racist demoncrats for the sole purpose of
ensuring they have enough illegal votes to keep them in power.
Because that’s what it’s all about in the Ukraine. Corrupt politicians
and businesses grifting and stealing from their own people for money and power.
Putin versus the corruption of Ukraine on the border of Russia.
Putin is doing what any real leader of a country should do: defend his nations
sovereign borders and security. I’m no big fan of Putin, but I understand his motives.
You and a lot of other folks keep thinking he wants to re-establish the USSR. And you’re
all drinking the CIA Kool-Aid.
I’m here for conversation with other conservatives. I think for myself so I will sometimes have different takes on some issues than the majority. If you think that makes me a troll, well, fine. I’ll keep my current opinion of you to myself.
I agree with you that our southern border should be prioritized ahead of Ukraine, but it won’t be while Dems are in charge, so we can both make that point, but that’s getting pretty off-topic of this thread.
We probably agree about a lot of other things too, but apparently you’d rather call me a troll than find out.
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Please don’t go away angry, this a wonderful site to learn and some of our commenters are brilliant. It is The Last Refuge for many of us.
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I’m actually shocked that The Conservative Treehouse (Sundance) has taken such an ideological stance on what is happening to 43,000,000 human beings; this issue isn’t ideological to them, it is a matter of survival.
Most Ukrainians love their President for standing against the Russian genocide; apparently Ukraine’s battle is not only with the invading Russian army, it’s also with propogandists from the right.
It’s unbelievable that our hatred for evil-doers can murder our humanity.
By the way, I am a conservative, and generally stand with Sundance, but I am astonished by the inhumanity I’ve read on The Conservative Treehouse website recently.
God help us all if we lose our humanity because of our hatred for those who’s evil we loath; how does that make us any better than them.
Predictably we are at this point because of Soros, and his adherents, Obama, Biden and Nuland. The cabals dirty Coup d’état contrived to get us here.
George Soros has spent a lifetime undermining, dismantling, and systematically subverting sovereign nation states, right down to the nuclear family level. To George nothing is sacred, no method or strategy too cruel. His involvement anywhere is an affront to freedom worldwide.
Soros, The Club, and his vast global networked apparatus set us on an possibly apocalyptic path towards war with Russia. Condemn Russia all you like, but at least it can be coherently argued that they have existential reasons for moving into Ukraine. We have none.
Our entry into the conflict in Ukraine will be an elective war of choice. I’m not saying this to absolve Russia or justify the morality or legality of their actions. That is a different discussion.
As much as I have empathy for the plight of terrified Ukrainians and the injustice of it all, we have NO business being there.
The coordinated media bulldozing to push for war is as aggressive as ever. Oversimplifying events, to sell it to oblivious masses of people. Nauseating and repetitive.
This is a regional conflict, and should stay that way.
Taiwan is looming.
We have a great economic and strategic stake in its continued freedom. Stumbling into a tangle with Russia, will seal Taipeis fate. China knows this, and is emboldening Putin by cozying up to Russia.
Soros is NOT right.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/01/col-douglas-macgregor-talks-common-sense-with-tucker-carlson-about-the-russia-ukraine-conflict-video/#more-228935
Look for the ribbon and you can bet their hand is in the till.
Disgusting! The uniparty has got to go.
Why do you seek to divide conservatives?
As Sundance says” TRUTH HAS NO AGENDA”.
But it is most definitely NOT true that the posted video supported Soros.
If A supports B
And C supports B
That does NOT mean that C supports A.
A does not equal B, A is only a small subset of people who support B.
In logic this is called an Association Fallacy.
This headline is not true, and dishonesty often (but not always) DOES have an agenda.
I’m going to express my opinion, which right now is just a gut feeling so is not logical nor a critical thinking argument. I see your point. I do support the people of Ukraine and hate to see human suffering. That said, Zelensky looks like a clown to me and the whole situation playing out on media looks performative and insincere. Fake. As. Hell. Looks like a regime change, starting with Rubio “I wish I could say more….” and suddenly I’m hearing about Covid and how it isolated Putin and made him crazy.
I’m waiting to see Zelensky in a cape. But what do I know, I’m just reacting to what is projected to me.
I agree with you on those opinions Elizabeth.
There may come a day when the Putin regime needs to be brought down, but with Biden and his team of idiots in charge, this is most definitely not the right time.
I support Ukraine and am rooting for them but we need to tread carefully. Too tough and we get nuked. Too weak and we embolden China. Not a good place to be with a dementia patient in office.
I’ll bite. What do you see?
I began to get suspicious when the first two days all I heard from everyone was that “Putin has changed. Not just his looks. He’s gotten more isolated. Everybody, not just Macron, says that.”
Then they said his face, which indeed is more plump than most of us remember, “might suggest that he’s depressed because medication for depression can do that.”
The interview with Condi Rice convinced me that the PTB have told her, “We’re going with that,” and even though she said she hadn’t been around him in many, many years, she said, “Yes, I think you’re right about he’s changed.”
LOL.
About the plump face? Injections to get rid of wrinkles from aging give the same look, and we all remember the photo of Vlad, shirtless, on horseback. Vanity, thy name is the man who wishes to suggest his virility to his people and the world. Getting rid of age lines is the same thing.
My first thought having seen his round, wrinkle-free face, was that it reminded me of friends who were on steroids used as anti-inflammatories for anything from bad arthritis to inflammatory bowel disorder, to cancer. “Moon-face,” they call it.
Some anti-depressants put weight on people sure, but weight all over.
I’m still suspicious.
Yes, Putin appears to have had cosmetic surgery like Joe Biden and and his wife Jill. An eye job to remove hooded lids can take a few years off. Biden has the same smooth skin – face lift, fillers, injectables, or all of the above? I believe Putin’s face is due to cosmetic procedures and not illness or medication.
If Putin sat around and did nothing for the last two years of covid madness, is it any wonder his face is rounder. Mine certainly is. This is all speculation and gets us nowhere.
Mental seems to be a hot topic with Democrats and media.
Biden said we are mental and can’t be happy !
And we can’t even get Biden to get tested. We see him fall up stairs and hobble around, mumble and say just crazy stuff ..and then see the out bursts of anger and yelling!
What is the Alinsky-accuse others of what you are doing?
When the corporatist whore media and their insidious social media influencers start pimping their bankrupt single speed synchronised pablum I tune out.
Putins mental state?
His face looks puffy?
He wants to rebuild the former Russian Empire?
Absolute dross for idiots.
You have postulated a syllogism using syllogistic logic and point out that it does “NOT mean that C supports A.” On the other hand, it does not follow that C DOES NOT support A.
Correct. To say it did follow that C does not support A would also be a fallacy. But nobody makes that argument, because it’s absurd on its face.
You have to look at the totality of information.
And posting one video on one subject doesn’t do that.
Even RINO’s don’t agree with everything Soros does, as can be evidenced by numerous party-line Senate votes where only Dems voted for Soros-approved positions.
But you stated “But it is most definitely NOT true that the posted video supported Soros” and then threw in the syllogism to support that contention. C supports A is a fallacy, C does not support A is a fallacy.
Why the exercise in syllogistic logic that doesn’t mean anything?
C does not support A is a fallacy when used as the conclusion to the syllogism that A supports B, and C supports B.
The video doesn’t present that syllogism. That is the converse of the syllogism presented by the headline. The video doesn’t mention Soros at all. It is only C supports B.
I know it’s splitting hairs somewhat, but I’m distinguishing between the video and the makers of the video.
The video doesn’t support Soros. I stand by that. Once you’ve removed the shared characteristic association fallacy, it gives us no information as to whether or not its makers support Soros. They might, but the video doesn’t.
You didn’t answer the question. Why the exercise in syllogistic logic that doesn’t mean anything? You strip that away and all you’re left with is your opinion.
“You didn’t answer the question. Why the exercise in syllogistic logic that doesn’t mean anything?”
Well I attempted to answer your question. I’m not sure where our communication is not connecting here.
Let me try answering in a different way.
I think the exercise DOES matter. I will concede it doesn’t matter to the important questions about this invasion.
But it matters to this website. Having now read much more here than I had a few days ago, this looks to be a site that has a lot of value. Its effectiveness will be diminished if it continues to use headlines that use association fallacies to demonize conservatives who could instead be persuaded.
Instead of starting with “You’re evil if you disagree with us”, try “Hey, here are some things you should consider.”
Instead of a headline that says “… Support Ukraine and George Soros.” use one that says “… Support Ukraine. And George Soros?”
In 72 hours to 96 hours some of this commentary is likely to be painful to review since the following is objectively apparent:
Soros supports Ukraine involvement for the very same reason the uni-party does: its one of the centers of corruption (arms, drugs, energy and human trafficking) FOR Dems, rethugs, and international depraved deep state.
Abromovich (spirit cooking infamy) is saying Puttin is “Christian Fundamentalist fueled Aggression”
and the witch Abromovich is INSIDE their circle. Now we are going to bring Pootty pootVladimir onto the stage as a Christian fueled “destroyer” of civilization. !! ??
At this stage of the propaganda/information fight over Ukraine, everyone ought to pause and really contemplate what it means to see the US and CIA lead a coup in Ukraine in 2014 (Nuland, Hillbag, McStain and others).
Also Son of biden, son of Pelosi, Son of Kerry, and (unk) family of mittens all appear to be involved in money laundering as well as ukraine being leading donator nation to clinton Foundation… and what does this mean?
People may not like it to be so but sometimes “things” are litmus tests for knowledge of a situation (competence to analyze) and litmus test of grounding in reality.
Goerge Sorros “stands with Ukraine” & GOP “stands with Ukraine”
A=C, B=C ——> A=B then Soros Supports GOP and GOP supports Soros: this is the real world.
“Stands With” and “Equals” are two different things.
This is why the Association Fallacy is so common.
Soros & GOP share a characteristic (Supporting Ukraine). That does not make them equal.
Birds and Airplanes both share the characteristic “have wings”. Birds are not airplanes.
It also does not mean they support each other.
As a baseball fan I support the LA Angels. I know a really horrible guy who also supports the LA Angels. I do not support him, and he’s not a supporter of me either.
Americans should stand with Ukrainians, by all means,
while remaining in The United States, and not going to Ukraine.
As for sending lethal support, that would be spraying gasoline on the fire.
The Bidens, Soros, and some oligarchs have a dog in this fight, We The People don’t.
No disagreement here, Caleb.
No disrespect, but what you have proven is that real life doesn’t work like a syllogism. In the real world, different people can support the same cause for different reasons – as you note. Support, in this very real context, equates to action. Action, inevitably has consequences/outcomes. Outcomes matter – there is more than one consideration, in other words. It’s not about you or any other conservative (true or fake) . It’s about outcomes as well as righteous action.
No disrespect taken and none intended back.
Logic and syllogisms are math. They are part of how God made the real world work and only He can break His rules.
“different people can support the same cause for different reasons”
And often those reasons are not rational much less logical.
I don’t disagree that actions and outcomes are important, but are you saying it’s OK to use flawed logic as long as you intend the right outcomes and do the right thing?
That sounds like a common liberal point of view to me, and often it’s the flawed logical base that causes the results of an action to become an unintended consequence rather than the desired outcome.
But perhaps I’m not understanding your point here.
Every Republican will bend over and hold their ankles and give China Joe all the money he needs to support Ukraine after he gets his 10% cut.
The Globalist Uniparty at work.
Some see this, some don’t.
The challenge is for the don’ts to not get suckered in.
The gaslighting is beyond the pale.
Sadly, a WHOLE lot of people are going to just jump on board — with both feet.
I don’t know where to focus my anger:
*The stupidity of my fellow man;
*The mainstream media;
*Politicians (all of them);
*People I know;
*And pretty much everyone else I’ve missed.
I will not be wearing ‘blue/yellow’ in any form, just as I did not wear a face mask.
Still, I often feel as though I am screaming in the darkness — and walking all alone.
I am so very, very disappointed in most people.
Find comfort that you are not alone in all of your points.
We have to remember that we’d like the world to know and judge the USA by knowing Americans, not by knowing American politicians or Hollywood/Manhattan-ites,
America is not Manson, not Biden, not Bill Gates nor Joy Behar/Reid nor Google or Silicon Valley.
I think it’s fair to say Ukraine is not George Soros.
He’s used and abused Ukrainians just as he’s used an abused Americans.
Very well said.
The thing is we all know that Lockheed-Martin and every other military-industrial company is salivating over the deals they are about to make.
So are the pols as they meet w/ lobbyists. Gotta get that new spending for the military and gotta make sure it has lots of lots of “extra” in their for everyone who wants a piece.
The American taxpayer tries to convince himself it will help stem the voracious appetite of Putin for the Baltics, say, while we have to worry about the skimming to feed the voracious appetites of the Hillsters.
I could see the gleam in Romney’s eyes.
Thanks for nothing little buddy.
Impeached for a “perfect phone call.”
At least he wasn’t wearing high heels there.
But dollar to a nickel he had some silk and leather on during the phone call.
While I have much compassion for the people of Ukraine, this crap pisses me off to no end. How about OUR borders? OUR people who are being brutalized and murdered? Out children who are dying from the drugs that are flowing free into our country?
These politicians are worthless cowards in addition to being vampires sucking every last drop of blood from those they are supposed to be serving. They should all be sentenced to the hangman’s noose, right alongside Obama, Biden, Zelinskiy, and the rest of the war criminals throughout the world.
No Quarter 2022
This Ukraine mess that our illegitimate Dementia patient has gotten us into in a part of the world where we have no business being, is strictly for one reason and one reason only:
Putin, like Trump, is a Nationalist and he must, like Trump, be ousted. That’s the bottom line.
And like covid was used to kill thousands of people and crash the economy and kill small businesses, and take away our freedoms and all the other BS that came with it, it proves they could care less if thousands of innocent lives are lost in Ukraine, if it will get rid of Putin.
They are even willing to get us into a nuclear war. Let that sink in. I don’t think we have ever been this close to a nuclear war with anyone. They got rid of Trump. They stole an election. They used covid to kill hundreds of thousands and nothing has happened to any of them. They are now feeling invincible. After all, it’s been RUSSIA< RUSSIA< RUSSIA is the bogeyman for 5 straight years– 24/7.
Why not chy NA? They are more of a threat to the USA than Russia? The reason it is not china is because china owns the crooked bastards. Russia does not.
This is some serious shit. .
For sure.
Dear God, forgive me for ever being a Republican, and please remove the hatred in my heart for these people.
How many gold teeth did he siege? This makes me, well cold becomes nuclear hot….
Some of the people’s “comments” here have near perfect grammar and articulation… it’s almost as if I were reading a journalist “randomly pepper in” their “two cents” to discredit a conservative site that they wholeheartedly wish didn’t exist. But that sort of thing could never happen in the US. No way…
valid point.
but let’s not paint with too broad a brush –
lots of posters here pay scrupulous attention to their spelling,
punctuation, grammar, sentence construction, and formatting. 😊
they view it as a mark of respect to the site and their fellow readers.
we all slip up occasionally, but everybody tries hard!
(can’t comment on capitalization- it’s an e.e. cummings thing….😂😂)
It’s not just respect to the site and fellow readers, although it certainly includes that.
But it’s also that in spirited debate where people are putting their opinions out for criticism, no one wants or needs the added burden of writing mistakes making them look foolish. Our opinions can make us look foolish all on their own and don’t need that help. 😉
I suppose it’s inevitable that in the current times, where the “educated” elitist class is mostly leftist, someone who pays attention to such details might be mistrusted by conservatives.
I find that quite entertaining, but I’m old and not really from these times.
wonderful points, RR.
and i always admire good alliteration,
as in your screen name! 👍🏻 😁 👍🏻
A belated but heartfelt thanks, zoom.
I hope you see this at some point, as I am not aware of any direct messaging capabilities on this site.
And though I don’t use it myself, I enjoy and admire your good usage of the e. e. cummings styling, also used by el gato malo, one of my favorite substack writers.
Well, at least the Repubs are showing their true loyalties now.
Underscores and vindicates my decision to never give to the RNC, but to individual candidates.
SAVE FERRIS. !
The Soros m.o. is to instigate war. If he is decrying the poor Ukrainian side it will be to move Europe and the US to become militarily involved in this conflict. I’d say, no.
Is this sarcasm or for real? Why the two biggest Betrayers – Soros and Romney? I assume this is not what it seems.
(s), he has two.
LMAO
This video is as good as all of the videos they did to stand up for us on mandates, crt, illegal invasion etc. Oh, I forgot, They have NEVER stood up for us. Pathetic.
Smith Mundt Modernization Act has replaced Reality with LIES, your mission is to fight Reality with “Truth.”
https://gab.com/RealRedElephants/posts/107882368227409405
But for George Soros, Mark Zuck-hitler, and Bill Gates the USA would have a government in place that would have cotinued to stop Russian aggression.
Decent ad until Mittens.
That’s probably why Russian people keep electing him.
They just had the legislative elections September 2021.
Next Russian presidential election is 2024
Is this a joke?
It appears the Uniparty are mere puppets of SOROS.
Judas would be proud.
Senate Republicans know who their paymasters are and refuse to represent the American people because they keep getting re-elected. Ultimately because of their lust for greed and power many people will perish. History will repeat itself.
“It’s a small club, and you aint in it” – George Carlin
Soros has paid off to many politicians, he is the stain on humanity.
George Soros and GOP lackeys, go F**k your selves. I could care less about Ukraine. Ok, I care in the abstract. I care about watching my country, and my freedom, disintegrating before my eyes. Sorry, the more they spew this sickening propaganda the angrier I get. We might just “dissolve” your corrupt regime, Dr. Evil.
Show me the U.S. southern border again
Are ALL those guys getting Ukrainian grift? I hate it for the people. And yes, they’re a Christian country. But the US needs to stay out. Supplies only. No air support. No enforcing a no fly zone.