I saw this last night and was actually a little taken back in the exchange. For some unknown reason (though I have suspicions), instead of Alex Berenson using his time on Fox News to confront the malicious and fraudulent manipulation of medical science, he decided to attack the credibility of Dr. Robert Malone.
There could be nefarious motives for this; however, the Occam’s Razor perspective is simply that Alex Berenson carries a thin-skinned trait of social awkwardness and is unaware how his engagements with people can be off-putting. You decide. WATCH:
Dr. Robert Malone expanded on his opinion of Berenson via Substack:
“Unprofessional, rude and an arsehole to boot. But beyond that, I think we can all assume CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.”
one thing that does bother me about malone, is that he says the vaccines are toxic or whatever, but then he says the elderly should get injected. that just sounds crazy!
In several recent interviews Malone has said he may be approaching the point where he wouldn’t recommend the injections for anyone. Since his first appearance on the COVID scene he has been evolving and he’s doing that on the “vaccine” issue, too.
Good that Malone corrects him by citing his patents, also Brazil came out with a big study on ivermectin which was discussed on one of the last FLCCC video podcasts.
Maybe Berenson read the Nature and Atlantic article trying to diss Dr. Malone like another poster here. Berenson should know better.
the tell for me was the look on Alex’s face while he made the attack, and then afterwards during Dr Malones full on put down.
In my mind, he looked like he was under duress or knew he was about to commit some kind of malfeasance.
Alex destroyed himself, and Dr Malone triumphed.
Wonder who paid him?
Alex doubled down on his self-immolation today when asked for comment by the Daily Beast. Tripled down when he informed his substack readers about it.
One commenter noted Alex’s uncynical enthusiasm for the new Pfizer drug Paxlovid, based only on Pfizer’s press release. Just like the vax. Bizarre.
I’ve heard nothing but bad things about that drug.
How could you trust it? Anything Pfizer puts out is now suspect.
Somebody ask Alex how much he has invested in Pfizer?
They always eventually expose themselves just like Lyin Ted. I am, getting tired of reading him.
wish we still had Rush.
YES, I stopped weeks ago because Berenson always talks about himself and his book. I also read in one of his posts an aside where he basically poo-pooed the 2020 election fraud.
I have my reservations about Dr. Malone, too. But this was bizarre. And Berenson’s substack response was petty and worthless.
However, having given my brother Ivermectin when he got Covid, and seeing the immediate change and recovery, I have no doubt that if Berenson is big on any pharmaceutical, he obviously is getting paid to promote it or has invested in it.
I have unvaccinated friends who got COVID in 2020. They got Ivermectin at the feed store, he recovered overnight, she took an additional less than pea sized dab the second day, both fully recovered. She said it felt like a suffocating veil had been lifted off her body six hours after the first small dab. Thousands may have needlessly died, while thousands more have suffered great losses… losses of loved ones, jobs, money, homes, hope and trust.
same here. IVERMECTIN WORKS FRIENDS. GO TO FLCCC.ORG. Be warned however many pharmacies are not filling the prescription. I get mine through a private pharmacy not one of the chains.
Alex is a regular on Fox and he no doubt wants to stay there so he toed the line that the Murdoch spawn drew in the sand. That look on his face was the look of someone kowtowing while being ashamed to be doing so.
👍 Did the same.
Interesting that people actually pay for content
I admit that I began following Berenson’s posts as early as February 2020, and I think he was right about the Covid tyranny from the very beginning. He performed an invaluable service throughout 2020 and 2021.
But I also think his head got extremely big as his popularity on Twitter expanded, and I don’t think he ever came to terms with his banishment there (note his ongoing lawsuit against Twitter).
I think he came to see himself as the Lone Ranger of the Opposition to Covid tyranny, and “newcomers” like Dr. Malone were intruding on his space. He’s a liberal, and an inherent characteristic of all liberals is immaturity. I think that’s all this is.
Having listened to and read Berensen, I thought he DID know better. Everyone eff’s up occasionally. I won’t give him a pass, but I won’t throw him overboard either.
I don’t know, but I watched it twice and I think Berenson made a clumsy attempt to show that he and Dr. Malone have some differences, even important differences such as on the efficacy of Ivermectin, yet they can have a discussion in spite of disagreement. There wasn’t any shouting out the other’s voice and I didn’t really detect any animosity. He was arguing in favor of debate on all the issues and against the censoring.
I haven’t listened to Berenson so this was my first time hearing him speak, so maybe that’s why I didn’t feel it was an attack. It just kind of came our wrong. Just my opinion.
Those 2 statements by Berenson were simply false and I don’t understand why he said them. I, too, had not heard him speak before, much less seen his picture, but am aware of his many creditable comments on the vax subject.
Color me dumbfounded.
Man. One can easily search for the papers showing the efficacy of using ivermectin to combat the virus.
My darn dermatermatologist and I had a good discussion about ivermectin.
She’s trying to convince her state medical board to accept its use for …..roseacea. Thats right. All the negative propaganda about IVM has caused the board to be concerned over using the drug to kill the tiny mite that causes roseacea.
Sheesh. People….
I have 3 sisters with rosecea. One has been applying prescription creams for years to no avail. When we started talking about horse paste she went to the local farm supply and got a tube and started smearing it on her face. Rosecea gone for the first time. She is 70 and suffered her whole adult life. So we told another (liberal) sister about the miracle and she said she has been taking ivermectin pills for years and it controls the rosecea perfectly.
Who was supposed to be studying the sharp rise in autoimmune conditions such as rosecea? Dr. Fauci.
Instead he funded a disease that kill people with metabolic syndrome. That’s thought to be an autoimmune condition.
We don’t know for sure, still, because people steal the billions meant for research by using the money for other stuff.
I have also been wondering about using Ivermectin for Rosacea. It seems to tick the boxes to control an inflammatory condition…
I had colon cancer 25 years ago and one of the components for my chemo was IVERMECTIN.
Roseacea is not caused by a mite.
It came across to me as an attack as he ignored the question he was asked and instead attacked Dr Malone
I hear people do this every once in a while – contradict earlier statementd and give equal credibility to false claims. Sometimes I think it’s just a fig leaf to placate the goons on the Left. Perhaps they feel threatened and throw a bone once in a while… Or, as coastermomohio said, it was a clumsy attempt to say “we can differ and air our differences without censoring each other.”
At the very least it was a ‘throw the dog a bone’ maneuver. Worst case scenario, Bereson was bought and paid for by the Covid autocrats.
I too saw the same thing – that Alex’s main issue is censorship. And he brought in a couple of items.
Please note that he did not say that Dr. Malone is NOT the inventor of mRNA vaccines – he said that Dr. Malone doesn’t do our side any favors by claiming it. Awkward point made awkwardly; perhaps Alex thinks that Malone is giving the opposition some bullets to divert the conversation instead of staying focused on the facts.
On the second point – I have many many friends who live in Uttar Pradesh (UP) and nearby. Many from the armed forces, and many from industry. Not a single one has said that Ivermectin has saved the state. Not one. And these are people with diverse political opinions, including folks who hate the pharma industry and hate the pharma industry raking in billions for vaccines. So I do not know the actual truth there. I do know people here in the US who have taken hydroxychloroquine and others who have taken ivermectin after contracting Covid and have recovered within a short period of time – typically a few days. So I tend to believe those work.
He did say Malone is not the inventor in The Beast. He is pathetic.
Come on. Berenson called Malone a liar.
“So, I know to read the literature, do my own due- diligence, etc before taking an experimental product or any vaccine. That is what I thought I did. The government assured us that these vaccines were very safe. I could never imagine that clinical data would be corrupted and even falsified – as we now know it was. ” Is he going to lead the charge that it’s Trump’s fault…
Pretty much. He stands by the 1/6 being an insurrection and doesn’t see any funny business in the election, and questions Ivermectin but is excited about Paxlovid, based only on Pfizer’s press release. He’s got some impossible to reconcile ideas. He also got very caustic sometimes on Twitter before being banned, many of us noted. Bottom line: Dr Malone is a court-tecognized subject-matter expert and Alex Berenson is not.
Sounds like Berenson wants to be the next Ben Shapiro. Anyone still taking the 1/6 narrative as truth should be completely ignored. If they claim 2020 was legit, they aren’t your friend.
He IS a Democrat. He hates PDJT. I am not comfortable with some of his opinions.
They may have recaptured him.
But perhaps this was merely him throwing a hissy fit, as in “I was banned ages ago so how come this guy JUST gets banned and suddenly gets to hog all the attention? What about my book?”
The lesson is: if they’re lying about anything (Berenson), they’re lying about the most important thing.
Yes, and I think jealously played a part. Dr. Malone has been in the background for a while then suddenly got really popular after talking about Mass Formation on Joe Rogan and Berenson has been plugging away for some time. I think that bugs him.
berenson, is a scientist?
produced how many peer reviewed papers?
was hired and became a pioneer in the academic universe?
if this is the best effort from berenson as a layperson (and I generally don’t regard laypeople as inauthentic or credible as a principle…it’s the person not the letters…it’s the work, not the jabbering)….then I think I can probably find good reasons not to spent any time reading his books.
it really seems like berenson is offput by the reality that Dr. Malone was effective in relaying very crucial facts about this virus, the mRNA tech jabs, the insufferablly draconian mandates and policies and the very dark manner in which so many people have been misled by so called experts and political hacks.
I think it’s professional jealousy.
I’ve read the critiques about the claim Dr. Malone has made about pioneering work at salk.
Like many scientific discoveries, over time, you see several, dozens, hundreds of people who endeavored to improve the primary finding/discovery. To dismiss Dr. Malone would be to suggest that no one else contributed to the work either. And that just doesn’t add up. He belongs in the esteemed pioneering giants in this field, because he experimentally demonstrated it in a lab. From that early work, all other work depended. As with most primary field studies, you cannot predict how it branches out to other discoveries. But that IS the nature of scientific progress. One builds upon the work of others.
THE ONLY REASON DR. MALONE is getting negative feedback on his legitimate claims is because he has dared to critique the mRNA vaccine. His work NEVER IMAGINED jabbing mRNA into human hosts. The entire idea that one can force the body to become a bioreactor and begin producing viral particles (s protein), is not simply controversial, but goes right at the center of the precautionary principle that every bioethicist worth their salt knows very well.
The other reasons Dr. Malone is being discredited is because he is credible in an upside down world led by idiots, echo chambers and sychophants.
if there is one thing I have learned in these last two years, is just how precious and delicate the balance between information and truth.
not all information is truth…most of it is in fact false and misleading and relabled as truth.
I am most impressed by the hundreds of millions of people around the world, who stopped, looked up, put their finger into the air and felt nothing about these drugs and mandates were correct. They may not know precisely why they did not trust in them, but that skepticism was based on a innate human tendency to detect BULLSHIT.
Dr. Malone is giving these people the facts to support what their bullshit detectors sensed from day one.
I find that amazingly ethical and moral of Dr. Malone.
There is no mystery why people gravitate toward his advice and opinions.
Now, can someone please get the message to President Trump and try…please try to persuade him to stop this utter bullshit he continues to spew. This is more than just politics and getting attention. This is a national security crisis, and EVERYONE who has a legitimate concern, needs to get with it. STAT!
God Bless America
regitiger, perfectly and eloquently encapsulated, as always.
“I am most impressed by the hundreds of millions of people around the world, who stopped, looked up, put their finger into the air and felt nothing about these drugs and mandates were correct. They may not know precisely why they did not trust in them, but that skepticism was based on a innate human tendency to detect BULLSHIT.”
Great assessment and if only there were more of us that fit your description. It boils down to those that can think critically vs. those who follow the herd and believe anything the MSM tells them to believe.
I pray for the same future as well. But I am also acutely aware there is a tribal phenomena deeply imprinted in the human society. For each crisis and issue, there will always be the “madness of the crowd”, the mob, the group think, the need to conform no matter what. This phenomena isn’t going to change. It may shift, but there will also be a large majority of people who are simply not capable, nor will they ever desire to take the risk to depart from the “consensus”.
I wish (and pray) this is not true going forward, but the nature of human history plainly suggests there is a need to conform…there is some type of “safety” needs fulfilled by subscribing to the general attitude.
Those that have the courage and the will to actually break free from the bonds of such group consensus, are not actually very rare…but they do not make up the political body and rarely do such individuals organize effectively to throw back the false narratives and gain authoritative standing in society.
Our history as humans seem to move much like a pendulum..from the extremism back to somewhat moderate normalcy. The motion dictated by the fears of worse case scenarios driving hysteria and irrational judgements and reactions and then relaxed only after having EXHAUSTION from such insanity.
It’s a pretty awful way to describe the human pendelum….terrible moments of completely unhinged emotionally driven terror back that only stops until exhaustion happens…
This time, we are seeing the effects of this at such a global scale for such an extended period of time, it really is hard to predict when exhaustion is going to happen.
The pendulum may not even be crossed yet. That the biggest concern. That exhaustion will only happen until a violent 7 stages of revolution happens. I think this is where this is headed.
We are at stage 3 revolution right now. CCCP19 and the poison mRNA jab is largely going to push this nation and most of all nation states into a hard corner where revolutionary war will be the only way forward.
The corrupt state certainly has no desire to back down.
The war is now…we just haven’t engaged yet. But it will happen, even IF the people do nothing.
That is something most do not quite realize (yet).
imagine if the colonist in the young pre-revolutionary america decided they would simply conform and obey.
there is a risk of that happening here and now.
But I doubt it.
Americans, of sufficient numbers, will experience an unbearable pain soon. I highly doubt these same Americans will simply do nothing.
the levy will break. It’s topping already.
God Bless America.
Amen to that!
I didn’t want the jab. In 2021 I became deathly ill, lost 33 pounds within two months, and all my hair fell out. I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and put on an immune suppressant drug. My sister lives with us, she has diabetes, and my husband has high blood pressure. We are all three conservatives. All of our doctors, including our freaking specialists strongly urged us to take the freaking jab. I cried the night before I took it because I didn’t want it. I hate that I took it in May, but I would have hated it even more if I had gotten Covid and given it to my loved ones, and caused their deaths. Now I live in fear of dying from the jab. You can call me a lot of things, but I hate CNN, MSN, and most “news” sources. But please don’t ever place me in the herd mentality group. Against everything I believe, against my better judgement, I trusted my doctors, and my loved one’s doctors… seven doctors in total, two we had known for over thirty years. Please don’t place everyone who took the jab in your “herd.”
Thank you and well done. I am aghast that Dr. Malone would ever agree to be interviewed on this “news program.” Pfhtt. But at the best he is able to continue to provide his knowledge. What a gem Dr. Malone is for countering this never ending fear mongering about a virus.
That Dr. Malone is now speaking out (or did I miss that he was already?) has struck me. Good grief. Such courage. Let us pray for him.
You missed a lot if this is the first time you’ve heard Dr. Malone speak out. He has done many interviews, most of which were posted here.
“The other reasons Dr. Malone is being discredited is because he is credible in an upside down world led by idiots, echo chambers and sychophants.
if there is one thing I have learned in these last two years, is just how precious and delicate the balance between information and truth.”
The balance between information and truth is exceedingly delicate. Hubby and I have had two very troubling conversations with a family member and friend about the “vaccines”. Both of them claimed to “trust” the CDC and Dr. doom. However, when we pointed them to inconsistencies in public statements by both the CDC and dr. doom, they responded with the typical “that’s not true”.
It is not true because even though we can prove to them the constantly changing statements, their other source of absolute truth – the media – only reports on the original statements. The revised statements or the revised revision of the original statements never makes it to the nightly news. If it is not reported on cnn or msnbc, them it cannot possible be true.
The friend stated unequivocally “no one has died from the vaccine”. This person has never heard of or looked at VEARS. They saw Dr. Mercola’s book on our coffee so they immediately dismiss anything we say as “misinformation from that quack Mercola”. The funny thing ? Neither of us have read the book as yet.
Sounds like midwits
Well they will do so at their own peril unfortunately. This basically proves Dr. Mercola’s whole take on “Mass Formation Psychoses” or basically just being brainwashed by the forever repeated LIES! I forget how long it takes off hand before the Conscious Brain shuts down after sitting back and relaxing to watch some “TV programming”, “Movie”, or such and your Subconscious Brain starts absorbing it but it’s not very long, like less than 15 minutes if I even remember correctly and it could actually be a shorter time frame, and only one can imagine the damage being done to such a person who constantly watches or hears such constant BS being fed into them day in a day out.
Well said. And I agree completely with your explanation of base discovery and the building upon the shoulders of others. When explained at length Malone cabins his discovery to the mRNA platform. Unfortunately, the media and interviewers, etc., for whatever reason, love to short hand it – “inventor of the mRNA vaccine technology” i’m sure it’s a cringe moment for Dr. Malone, but what do you want him to do about it? Always be correcting that or move on to the relevant point of the current discussion. It’s like saying Einstein is the inventor of solar panels wherein in actuality he won the nobel for the theory (discovering?) the photo-electrical effect.
without neils bohr, einstein would have unlikely even pursued the photo electric theory, which is by far just such an example of how science progresses.
Einstein was always respectful and recognized this aspect of scientific discovery and progress.
there are more than 40 individual scientists and mathematicians that preceded Einstein that laid the foundation for many of his works.
What we are seeing here is nothing like that at all.
The state has weaponized “science” and the media and the attention jackals are desperate to drive attention away from people who have dared to buck the “consensus”.
We live in very perilous times when the state has declared war on truth and rebuked and censored and banned scientific debate.
Wrong think politics is always very dangerous….as we are witnessing it at a global scale.
and:
Heinrich Hertz
Phillip Lenard
Joseph Thomson
Max Planck
all pioneers who set in motion the discoveries of many elements of knowledge that Einstein would later go on and combine to a comprehensive mathematical theory about the PE Effect.
One does not simply write terrific rock and roll out of a vacuum. One is influenced by the music of others.
According to this article Elie Dolgin: “THE TANGLED HISTORY OF MRNA VACCINES”, 318 | Nature | Vol 597 | 16 September 2021, the original idea is Malone’s:
“In late 1987, Robert Malone performed a landmark experiment. He mixed strands of messenger RNA with droplets of fat, to create a kind of molecular stew. Human cells bathed in this genetic gumbo absorbed the mRNA, and began producing proteins from it1. Realizing that this discovery might have far-reaching potential in medicine, Malone, a graduate student at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, California, later jotted down some notes, which he signed and dated. If cells couldcreate proteins from mRNA delivered into them, he wrote on 11 January 1988, it might be possible to “treat RNA as a drug”. Another member of the Salk lab signed the notes, too, for posterity. Later that year, Malone’s experiments showed that frog embryos absorbed such mRNA2. It was the first time anyone had
used fatty droplets to ease mRNA’s passage into a living organism. Those experiments were a stepping stone towards two of the most important and profitable vaccines in history: the mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines given to hundreds of millions of people around the world. Global sales of these are expected to top US$50 billion in 2021 alone.”
see: https://media.nature.com/original/magazine-assets/d41586-021-02483-w/d41586-021-02483-w.pdf
Lots of comments on Dr. Malone’s substack, talking about the many doctors who have had to resign from their posts for giving and promoting early Covid treatment.
Dr. Marik has resigned as professor, pulmonologist, and head of critical care at the Eastern Virginia School of Medicine. His protocols used to be on there and it was other treepers here who had posted them for us to follow. At some point they made the FLCCC.net website with the other doctors.
His statement is on the FLCCC website, stating that he will be focusing on the FLCCC now. But it makes me sad, many if not all of the doctors have lost their hospital privileges. I know one in Ohio did and is going concierge.
Here’s an article about one doctor in Maine who’s lost his license:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/maine-doctor-loses-license-ordered-undergo-psych-evaluation-treating-covid-patients-ivermectin-spreading-covid-misinformation/
Psych Evaluation……str8 out of the Gestapo/KGB playbook.
Can’t undergo a psych eval if the main argument he makes is the #1 controversial claim worldwide and remains “officially” untested by science.
We need to figure out how to crowd fund legal representation for these folks and get it going.
I can recall a time in the USA, where you didn’t have to to a hospital to see a doctor.
Now mind you, I wasn’t born until 1957, but can remember my parents and grandparents talking about going to see the doctor at his office, not the hospital. He sent you to the hospital if he couldn’t help you.
Time for us to encourage doctors, nurses and other healthcare folks to return to the roots of real healthcare. Put the freaking bureaucratic hospitals in their place.
I can remember a time in the USA when you only saw a doctor for major illness or injury. You simply weathered the small stuff. I had measles, ( both) mumps (both sides), chicken pox, scarlettina, sore throats. Quarantined, fluids, bed rest. NO medication. We developed strong immune systems that have lasted a lifetime.
The rush to Medicate for the least uncomfortable symptom has made Pharma rich and destroyed health and mental.
I agree that they are all tied down to a major medical institution that can’t stop buying independent hospitals also. Cleveland Clinic has bought out a lot of hospitals in the region, same with University Hospitals of Case Western Reserve. They’re going as far as Ashland now.
Dr John Witcher from Mississippi was fired at a hospital in Yazoo City, MS for trying to save the lives of patients by treating them with ivermectin. He is also leading a group of doctors and others against the mandates.
Dr. Marik is suing Sentara Norfolk General Hospital for not allowing him to use what he knew worked for covid, making him watch people die.
https://uncoverdc.com/2021/11/22/flccc-founder-dr-marik-awaits-court-decision-as-patients-die/
Unfortunately, I read that he had to withdraw the suit since he’s not actually practicing there anymore.
I feel like there is no exposure to the truth. TPTB are doubling down on it all and will refuse to acknowledge anything. Just like we waited so long for Russiagate truth and justice and some has come out but there are still a lot of ignorant people out there who don’t know the truth.
I admire Alex Berenson’s work, and I especially recommend people read “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence.” He is nearly alone as a journalist in standing up to the marijuana/thc legalization juggernaut.
Nevertheless, I recognize that he is a journalist and not a scientist, and I would expect him to show some deference to a distinguished scientist such as Dr. Malone.
The main “tell” for me is Berenson’s defensive, hard-set expression from the beginning of the segment. He looks like someone who is steeling himself to make a “hit,” whereas Malone looks like someone who is arriving for a conversation.
All Berenson needed do was ask a polite question, e.g., “Dr. Malone, can you really claim to be the inventor of . . . . ” or “Don’t we need to be careful in making scientific claims regarding ivermectin?” But Berenson did not ask a polite question. He ambushed Malone, who kept his good-humored demeanor. Which, since I’m looking at body language, seemed almost too-calm and good-humored, as though he was prepared for the Berenson attack?
Whatever. I’m heading off to watch a broadcast of the Arizona rally! MAGA!
Good observation re: demeanor. I don’t trust any of these guys, but if they are speaking in defense of freedom and truth, I’ll listen.
“Love everyone. Trust no one.”- Kinky Friedman
Perhaps you’re ready Malone’s bring used to all this by now, he:s been around the block plenty. Berenson is a gnat compared to many of Malone’s critics.
That is always Malone’s demeanor. He is very stable and nicely mannered.
So right you are; Berenson’s affect and demeanor said it all.
Watching the Arizona rally now. MAGA!
“… since I’m looking at body language, seemed almost too-calm and good-humored, as though he was prepared for the Berenson attack?”
If you’ve watched Dr. Malone numerous times you would recognize that is his normal self.
This sad situation was entirely uneccessary and terribly counterproductive, especially in its coming just as the tide is turning in the favor of what Berenson claims to be fighting for.
Berenson spoke about the incident with The Daily Beast (!) at their request and today bragged about it on his substack. Subscriber comments are past 750 with most being negative and many saying they will unsubscribe.
I generally find the notion of controlled opposition ludicrous (whose ego would allow them to play such a role?), but absent that, scoring what is certainly a pathetic own goal is bad enough.
Here’s a link to the Substack post. Comments are over 1,100 now — most are against AB’s attack on Malone.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-daily-beast-asked-me-to-comment?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0Mzg4MjY0MiwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDcxODU0NTcsIl8iOiJoa3dJdSIsImlhdCI6MTY0MjMwMTA1OCwiZXhwIjoxNjQyMzA0NjU4LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzYzMDgwIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.-KZ-zcbC9CEU2vrqS6ve8zjfqy_jS-J0CrvYdp9TynE
After all the work he has done in exposing the failure of the “vaccines” why would he blow up his credibility? I too am always wary of claims of “controlled opposition” but I have a hard time explaining to myself why Alex chose to do this.
I think “controlled opposition” was as dumb for Malone to say, as attacking him was dumb for Alex to do.
I am sick of hearing that term. People keep trying to persuade me that President Trump touting the vaccines is proof that he was “controlled opposition” all along.
I understand why Malone feels Berenson is controlled opposition after being attacked on TV, but it seemed to me more like what Malone later called “professional jealousy.” I don’t know Berenson personally, but I don’t get the impression from his statements that he’s now fighting for the propaganda machine.
I wonder why Malone never discusses exactly how his patents for the basis for mRNA technology specifically–but only calls them foundational. He has admitted ties to military and intel programs though, including bioweapons! I think the guy is basically working for the government/Deep State, just like Ray Epps. Just don’t expect a FOIA request to reveal anything.
Robert Malone is co-opting a European psychiatrist’s idea about Mass Formation Psychosis and COVID disease. Don’t know how Malone because the inter-disciplinary expert on all tangential COVID topics. He is also clearly pro-vaccine for a variety of ailments–but also specifically the mRNA, gene-altering COVID vaccines that are causing problems in patients. He only admits something went wrong with the current COVID vaccines or simply had poor and incomplete testing. I think early in his new public surfacing he said we had to vaccinate our way out of the problem. If you listen closely you’ll realize he’s only pro-medical freedom and not anti-vaccine.
I can live with pro medical freedom. As for the vaccine angle, please remember pro medical freedom. As in you should be able to decide if you want to have the vaccine. Thus far, I have not heard him say you must be vaccinated, only that he believes in vaccination.
With that comes informed consent. We currently do not have this luxury, as anything going against the accepted narrative is silenced. Over 13 years ago my family was banished from the pediatrician we were using because I began to wake up to the dangers of vaccines.
In actuality at that point I wasn’t even fully aware of the dangers, but I had become aware of the use of aborted fetal tissue in vaccines. I addressed it because at that moment it was an ethical issue. The awakening came later.
I was always told this was best for my children. I did what they said and trusted them, to the detriment of my children’s health. We now live VERY controlled lives, the likes of which most cannot imagine. It affects us every.single.day. in every facet of our lives.
Vaccines cause harm. The medical community has worked to silence the truth for decades. The difference with the mRNA and conventional shots is we have a baseline with adults. When a 30 year old male dies or becomes ill immediately after vaccination then it is obvious.
When a 2 month old dies, it is explained away. When a 1 year old is diagnosed with autoimmune disease, it is explained as genetics. This is a travesty but continues because the baseline is not there and the majority of doctors refuse to even entertain the possibility of vaccine injury. Safe and effective is the biggest lie of recent decades.
Actually it may not be popular here to say that I agree with Alex. Malone keeps the whole covid narrative going. Malone should also be out there trying to find ways to reverse or at least minimize the quackzine damage.
Forcefully and repeatedly stating the truth, with the weight of his stature behind his words, isn’t an effective way to reverse the lies told by quacks?
Ha….your comment is hilarious “your highness”. I suggest you watch the Joe Rogan interview. Ever heard of the great berrington? (Avoid googling” it, try brave or duck duck go as browser) Maybe spend some time on that subject in your “due diligence” about Dr. Malone. You are waaaayyyy behind in your learnin’ my dear!
I saw it last night in real time and was utterly shocked. I have followed Alex Berenson for a while now and he is a stickler for precision. I will be interested to see what he says in response, if anything.
Dr. Malone has gotten very comfortable with his many public appearances as a purveyor of the truth. It bothers me that his answer to Berenson on Substack includes name calling, “rude, unprofessional, and an arsehole” and also calls his intelligence into question saying that Berenson can’t do an internet search or understand patents. To me, those equally public statements have come across as non-professional, rude, and arsehole-y.
I thoroughly dislike internecine warfare when we need information from ALL who have correct information and insights to share. Berenson should not have said what he did on Fox, but Dr. Malone should have carried on this conversation privately with Berenson and not publicly by calling him names. That only feeds the Democrat Covidiots.
I could not disagree with you more. Berenson is nothing more than a journalist and he used to work for the New York Times. (That should tell you something of his politics and lack of ethics.) He is not qualified to opine on Ivermectin or the origins of mRNA.
He is all about Alex Berenson and attacked Dr. Malone to self promote, sell books, and save his dying career. Anyone at this point who denies the efficacy of Ivermectin is either not reading widely enough in the world wide scientific literature or lacks integrity.
It reminds me of the old saying. If you want to make a name for yourself, pick the biggest leader and attack them. I think that’s what he did here. And frankly, it is disgusting. This is too important for humanity to have to deal with Alex’s ego and need for attention.
Well stated, Belle.
I don’t understand why Dr. Malone speaks out against the vaxx, but yet has been vaxx’d, and boosted. Why did he get a booster? Doesn’t make sense to me.
I think you are mistaken about his taking the booster.
He took it and had serious side effects. Said it almost killed him.
That was second shot not booster.
It was stated on the Stew Peters interview that was linked at CTH.
Read Malone’s account of getting the shot, very early on. It’s understandable. When he almost died from it that put him on another track altogether.
Why did he get the booster?
Right, you do not understand. You are late to this party.
Not one of you have explained why he took the shot in first place, and then got a booster, all the while going out and telling the world the vaxx is bad. He has had a booster.
Exactly!
Ask Eric Clapton…lots of folks did what was expected, only to discover the downside.
General public is one thing, but the man that invented this crap ought to know better? No?
Our Doctor is a conservative, highly competent respected physician. He does not believe in the mandates but he encourages people our age to take the vaccine. He would never coerce anyone, but he believes it is a safe drug that decreases the likelihood of severe illness.
When our family got C19 in August our doctor prescribed Ivermectin, plus zinc, Vit D and the antacid (can’t remember the name) for my husband and I. He also arranged for my husband to have monoclonal antibody treatment. We are in an extremely blue county, in a blue state. Most people who test positive are sent home with zero treatment. Reasonable people, including physicians, can disagree about the effectiveness and safety of the so called vaccines.
That Doctor is a keeper. You are lucky to have him.
I read Berenson’s substack and he makes some great points. His attack on Dr. Malone is uncalled for and incorrect too. Talk about blowing yourself up.
These are high stakes, folks.
Don’t ignore the fact that Fauci and Gates and all the others on the side of Big Pharma have a lot to lose if their plans fail, whatever those plans may be.
It’s likely that the lives of many medical experts are being threatened, along with journalists and authors who are exposing and criticizing the Evil that’s been let loose on the Earth.
If censorship fails, silencing may take other forms.
Just my two cents… from Circle 8 Bolgia 5. 👿
Fauci and Big Pharma have made enough from the shots and meds.
They need to back off and fade away.
Question: How much is enough?
A) Bill Gates: umm…ALL of it!
A) Fauci: I do what Mr. Gates wants me to do.
https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/new-phase-cooperation-between-nih-bill-melinda-gates-foundation
“The NIH and BMGF have enjoyed a working partnership since the creation of the Grand Challenges in Global Health, now celebrating its tenth year. (this statement was made in 2014) The two organizations together represent 54% of global research and development expenditure on diseases that disproportionately affect populations in low- and middle-income countries.” – Francis Collins
They finance studies and when the result is positive, they make it disappear or change it to appear negative. Like the study they did on ivm. Greedy people do greedy things. JMHO.
When censorship fails, silencing may take other forms.
Yes, like fake news!
So many seem to have forgotten how often the news is changed to suit the false narrative.
Either that or there are many trolls on this thread…..
Not you FDR.
You’ve been around ever since you went to hell. 😎
Alex Berenson believes that the 2020 election was 100% fair and honest and he will shut you down if you disagree with him. He is Left Wing Propaganda.
Absolutely!!
Never forget who and what AB is.
Leopard/spots.
I will unsubscribe as well.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions but the leftists who are coming out against one thing or another (there is so much) need to leave it there. Not go on the attack. It is stupid.
Let’s see what Tucker has to say, if anything, about his Bosom-Buddy-Berenson.
True, this should be interesting.
As will how many unsubscribe. AB seems in it for the popularity (and money, which I get) but this seems to me a bit like get woke go broke.
Hm, can’t wait to see what Tucker says. My mom will text as soon as she watches………every day, like clockwork.
What is the difference percentage wise of myocarditis issues between the vaccinated versus infected people without a jab ?
We can’t get good data on what that percentage may be in the elderly because it may be masked but previous conditions.
The difference in myocarditis issues between the jabbed and unjabbed in younger groups, however, is gobsmacking and just gets more gobsmacking the younger you go. In those age groups it’s easy to see that it’s not at all normal for scores of healthy young athletes to collapse on field and healthy teenagers to have sudden heart issues.
Malone!
Intelligence vs government.
Will Hunting: How you like them apples?
It sounds like he was chumming for a new book coming out or some type of paid gig with lots of airtime . Professional jealousy ? Just my 2 cents
I get both of their newsletters and cannot understand what is at the core of their conflict.
Berenson I don’t believe is a undercover agent of big pharma or anyone else who would or is profiting from the covid fiasco.
And I can’t see where Dr. Malone is either, of course, nor why he would react so to Berenson. Berenson makes some soto voce and very very sideways comments about Dr. Malone in Berensons newsletter but since then he has been silent on the matter and silent in general. He was maybe having a bad day and someone is not working to resolve the problem. We can’t have the most energetic opponent of the vaxx and the most knowledgeable and respected opponent of the vaxx at each others throats.
Hope this gets resolved peaceably.
If AB had a bad day as you ßay then he should apologize….he didn’t. You decide.
If you think Berenson is the “most energetic opponent of the vaxx” or “most knowledgeable”, you need to get out more. I was a Berenson subscriber and a purchaser of his books until he started this nonsense about the 2020 election and the so-called “insurrection” of J6 so i am very familiar with his writings.
I think his research is narrow and his thinking is not original. He also has a face and personality for the printed word rather than TV. Here, he just wanted to take on the “Big Critic” to make a name for himself and get attention. He must have hit a ceiling in his subscribers/book sales and is trying to get more of both by attracting a different audience. That shows greed and a lack of integrity. He is not in it for the principles. He is in it for the money.
Berenson has it in for the agenda of Big Pharma, but he also posted re: J6 “insurrection” that Trump lost the election fairly, which we know is a lie, clearly he’s never even listened to evidence those auditing votes have presented on the millions of invalid votes, and liars can’t be trusted. He’s just another dimocrat who happened to be interested in doing actual research on one topic. I’m glad I never supported him or bought his book, which seems to be just another compilation of what many more trustworthy sources more worthy of support have published on facts that have been distorted by govt & pharma sponsored MSM throughout this whole ongoing epidemic of mass psychosis.
Exactly. Controlled opposition, i.e., a Statist DeceptiCon Uniparty Establishment Hack…you know, like 95% of the GOP.
Berenson is fine when he monitors and forwards data from around the world, that is more transparent than our health bureaucracies. I subscribe to his free substack. He’s totally unreliable and Left leaning when he opines on the 2020 election. He looked like a jacka** coming out of the gate swinging at Dr. Malone. He said something in his email that Malone accused him of being controlled opposition. Regardless, he took a big hit by taking that swing at Dr. Malone.
iF BERENSON got vaxxed, you can see the results, IT TURNS ALL WHO GET IT, AND CONTINUE WITH BOOSTERS, INTO AN EXAMPLE OF LOWER BRAIN STEM EROSION that show these exact results. Someone who completely changes their being, is a totally different person, THEY BECOME PEOPLE WITH MULTIPLE PERSONALITIES, We will see this more and more everyday, extreme mood changes, alzheimers type events, and not it is showing up in kids, where surgeons have absolut ely no reason other than the vax, but in kids, its a swelling of the lower brain stem, that will show as erosion later in life, if they survive
I’ll keep this theory in mind going forward
A journalist versus a highly-experienced researcher in the field? What contest is that?
Don’t discount this Berenson guy might be the subject of blackmail or physical threats.
Personal attacks do not serve a useful purpose when the public is trying to discern the truth.
Personal attacks are the gutter techniques of the Clintons and all the Leftists. When you can’t win on the merits, call people names.
I canceled my subscription last week because his ignorant and rude comments about the election ended any trust he earned by analyzing data
I want the Leftists to define the terms “misinformation,” and “disinformation.”
They never say what specific scientific points made are false BECAUSE THEY CANNOT !
Maybe there is more than one Alex Berenson, but I think he is a fairly prolific novelist, in addition to his science journalism work. His most recent book, The Power Couple, is published by Simon & Schuster. The establishment could hurt him badly if he strays too far from their narrative.
I have never listened to
or read anything from Mr. Berenson; however, this looked like a premeditated attack and intentional smear of Dr.Malone.
Mr. Berenson doesn’t appear to be a serious debater. He more resembles a hound that has been sent to attack.
It was interesting that Alex chose to attack Dr. Malone. Alex is one of the leading voices in putting out accurate information about the “vaccines”. Dr. Malone did the right thing and handled him with grace and maturity.
J media — zero surprise.
Berenson has stated his only allegiance is to the truth, but also believes Biden won the election.
I see a contradiction there.
I saw that too, and it made me regret having bought his book.
Haha! I have providing aid and comfort to the enemy too!
Berenson thinks malone is a mild mannered, courteous, self serving, blow hard. Which he is.
Berenson thinks malone, today, brazenly promotes the idea that he, and only he, invented the MRNA which is jabbed in all those arms out there. Of course people buy into that non sense maybe because he looks and talks like Santa Claus. And, so, he gets speaking money , in effect, allowing him to keep that fiction alive.
The facts say something else about malone and Berenson knows those facts.
Fact: “In reality, the path to mRNA vaccines drew on the work of hundreds of researchers over more than 30 years” (Nature Magazine 9/16/21)
malone has no intention of crediting anyone besides himself for the MRNA in the vaccines. No one.
Ahhhh Johnny dollar….you are way behind in your learning…Malone does give credit to his fellow scientists in his Joe Rogan and stew Peter’s interviews. Time for you to catch up my friend 😉
And I’ll bet you don’t remember the names of any of them. Think that’s intentional?
If malone named everyone who played a part in developing the MRNA vaccine jabbed into all the arms out there, malone would be saying nothing else for the entire time he was on the the Joe Rogan show and the Stew Peters show.
Think he’d do that?
This is what I mean, there are others who criticize Malone, even here, you have been one of them. The fact that a reporter brought up some criticisms shouldn’t shock people as much as it did.
People were wanting to see Alex and Malone as heroes fighting for the cause. Alex isn’t fighting for a cause he’s fighting to write the truth.
If people suspect an ulterior motive, well great. People should question things.
Berenson is an unapologetic ass and ignorant about ivermectin and about long Covid. I have followed Malone since his Darkhorse with Steve Kirsch and Bret Weinstein, followed his tweets (and now his substack and GETTRs) and listened to hours of interviews. Soft spoken and affable, he picks his battles carefully and doesn’t take a position he can’t defend with data. He has a cim0elling personal story his hill to die on commitment to keeping the jab out of our kids says all you need to know.
I dont know Berenson but it looks to me like he was trying to start with a counter point to get the opposing side sympathetic before he hits his main point. It looks like a writer trying to do the same thing on live tv and it doesn’t come off well
I was surprised at Berenson’s childish criticism…it WAS a low blow. Talk about biting your allies in the rear end. He looked sullen and defeated on that broadcast. Dr. Malone kept his cool and factually put Alex in his place. You’ll never convince me that Ivermectin does not work. I’m living proof.
Alex looked angry and determined from the beginning.
If Bereson didn’t know the facts concerning Dr Malone mRNA patents as well as the Ivermectin results then I question his research skills. He discredited himself.
One of my test questions is “Have you/they ever worked at a job which had a prominently displayed sign, telling the # of days since the last work accident?”
Its only one of several questions, and no one answer is conclusive.
“What do you think of “self-driving cars”?”
and
“Bic or Zippo?”
Are the others, and in aggragate, are about 99 percent accurate, in telling me where someone stands.
Joe Rogans interview of Dr. Malone was the first time I heard him speak.
I was gratified when he started his resume, by saying he had worked as a carpenter, before deciding to go to medical school.
I bet Berenson NEVER worked at such a job, probably thinks ‘self-driving cars’ are great, and is a Bic man.
And Dr. Malone, not so much.
Dr. Malone is from our neck of the woods. He was working on a ranch in rural Santa Barbara County when he decided to go to college. He graduated from Santa Barbara City College before transferring to Davis. The Malones currently live on a ranch in Virginia, where they raise horses. Malone knows how things are built. He is a talented, ambitious and highly accomplished man.
Malone is married to his high school sweetheart. He is an excellent person by any measure, although he admits to being “cocky”. He and his wife are life long Democrats but definitely not ‘woke’.
I’ve always been very cautious regarding Berenson. He is a liberal, and I believe was a New York Times reporter. He has a small window of things that sound conservative in my experience with him.
Alex is a typical NY Times BS shxt artist trying to get back into good graces with the morons on the left. Alex is doubling down and even being ruder in emails.
Ivermectin worked for me and DARPA says it works!!!!
It is all Japan uses.
Alex is an immature child.
Does anyone know how I unsubscribe from Alex’s mailings?
I did it last night, it was confusing as all heck but got an email confirming that I was unsubscribed.
Start by going to the the website, substack I guess. Then start choosing options.
I’m sorry I can’t remember which click got me there but I eventually got to an unsubscribe option.
I’m sure it is confusing on purpose.
Berenson’S head is beginning to swell, he’s become very self important. It’s a shame he can’t just be honest. Dr. Malone is right as is Dr. McCullough this whole thing is a sh*t show. Ban the clot shot it is doing more harm than good.
Trust but VERIFY, even if it SCARES you. FDR said it best- “Only thing to fear is fear itself”.
Berenson went wobbly on the Buck and Clay show earlier last week. Could smell the change of position.
Alex still believes the 2020 election was without fraud so these liberal outbursts are just part of his dna.
I’ve seen these squabbles in every corner of the non-globalist coalition (other labels don’t really fit). It almost always comes down to pride and ego. Berenson is not happy with Malone capturing the limelight and wanted to bring him down a peg. His mission is doomed to fail, but he can’t help himself. It hurts the cause.
FWIW, Alex all along has held the same beliefs about ivermectin. His work on the vaccines, culminating in his expulsion from Twitter, has been proven right.
Just because he did some fine and accurate reporting, does not mean he isn’t a moody SOB. I’m not saying he is, I don’t know enough about him personally, but I do know that someone born in NY and raised in New Jersey may have a style that is way off-putting to people not familiar with it.
Yes he was rude.
I’m not ready to make that big a deal of it at this point, because if it wasn’t Alex Berenson and just some other guy it would have been seen as a relatively minor exchange.