I saw this last night and was actually a little taken back in the exchange. For some unknown reason (though I have suspicions), instead of Alex Berenson using his time on Fox News to confront the malicious and fraudulent manipulation of medical science, he decided to attack the credibility of Dr. Robert Malone.
There could be nefarious motives for this; however, the Occam’s Razor perspective is simply that Alex Berenson carries a thin-skinned trait of social awkwardness and is unaware how his engagements with people can be off-putting. You decide. WATCH:
Dr. Robert Malone expanded on his opinion of Berenson via Substack:
“Unprofessional, rude and an arsehole to boot. But beyond that, I think we can all assume CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.”
Interesting; It reminds me of the final few minutes of the Malone/Rogan interview. (about 2 hr 50 min in). Dr. Malone talks about how one of the biggest losers in this information warfare are the average people who are “othering” each other mindlessly. “Plague Rat” “Experimental Lab Rat” etc.
And even the most influential and informed experts in this space must carefully navigate the very same concepts!
I heard Malone relatively recently… maybe on Bannon… say that he enjoys and appreciates Berenson’s contributions, saying he uses his substack as a long-form Twitter of sorts.
It is OK…Dr. Malone EASILY set the widely speculative Berenson in his place and then continued with the main topic at hand
Indeed. Dr. Malone is absolutely right!!! How can a citizenry allow the killing of six million Jews if not off mass formation psychosis.
https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2022/01/15/the-unvaccinated-cherish-their-freedom-to-harm-others-how-can-we-ever-forgive-them.html
This from the Toronto Star. We the unvaxed are being labelled as a threat to society.
Dr. Malone has hit the nail on the head. There is no other way to explain how people have forsaken common sense and embraced stupidity so overwhelmingly.
DD
Clicked the link, need to subscribe to read the whole thing. No thanks! But I did write a letter to editors letting them know I was disgusted by their demonizing of people for making their own healthcare decisions. We need to start pushing back against these fools.
Use archive.org
Alex Berenson behaved like an ass, undermining what little respect I held for him. He was not only incorrect in his opening accusations against Malone, he delivered the criticism as a cheap shot.
Here is Malone’s response: https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/bushwhacked-by-alex-berenson-on-fox?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo1MDcwODM0MCwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDcxNTIzMTQsIl8iOiJiWDRPQSIsImlhdCI6MTY0MjI2NDUyMCwiZXhwIjoxNjQyMjY4MTIwLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNTgzMjAwIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.JqrI3zqxksq3AqR9x2g_7UP4wAKNnpHMVcE790ERc6M
Thank you.
My pleasure.
yes thanks… rarely does something happen where I completely ignore a person going forward, but this whole exchange is inexcusable on Berensons part and I have no desire to read or listen to him any further. If hes that wrong here I can only assume it carries to other areas he claims to have knowledge about. Otherwise, its nefarious in nature and I dont want to support him if thats the case either.
Remember: Alex Berenson comes from the left.
Yes, I was just going to mention that
So does Malone, but being a Leftist wasn’t how Malone made a living. He and his wife are both from Santa Barbara are while I don’t know him personally, I have friends who knew the Malones. They are both life long Democrats. I believe I read that Malone openly acknowledges voting for Biden.
The difference in Malone and Bereson is that Malone made his living as a scientist and physician. Bereson made his living as a lefty shill. He is still playing games for money. Malone is defending scientific principles.
How could Malone vote for Biden knowing Fauci was an adviser to Biden BEFORE the Nov 2020 election?
Fauci, you know, the guy responsible for the last 2 years of hell? For that matter, how could anyone vote for the pedophile corrupt Biden ? No thanks
Berenson, also a Dem, is no better. He attended the Horace Mann School and Yale and worked for the NYT.
I do not trust either one. Maybe they both jumped on the most lucrative and fame-producing bandwagon, using the latest horror from the Left–Covid to shore up their bank accounts.
Dr. Malone had an awakening after his near death experience with the 2nd jab compelled him to reassess the mass vaccination campaign – he wrote about it recently on his Substack. I suppose he’s not so reflexively Democrat in his voting habits anymore.
I heard an interview recently with Dr. Malone and Dr. Peter MuCullough in which Malone was mentioning that he knew that McCullough is a man of strong faith and that it appears to him that many of the physicians/scientists who are fighting the hardest to reveal truth are as well.
Malone stated that studies indicate that people who have strong religious beliefs are less likely to be taken in by a mass formation, which I thought was pretty interesting.
I suspect that Dr. Malone may be re-evaluating many things in his life right now and I hope that Dr. McCullough is helping to answer any questions that Malone may have!
“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” Mark 8:36
Faith in God displaces fear – any fear. That place in all of us where fear can fester and grow is the place that God could inhabit-or formerly inhabited.
We are a nation in spiritual decline.
Without God in that place we are all mislead. To terrible places. And just try to explain that to the Covid-Believers. It is a spiritual and psychological impasse. Mass Formation Psychosis, they call it…
Sadly, far too many Christians have shown far too little faith these last two years.
You are so right. And far too many Christians have been mislead into going along to get along. No spines. I know – I have been there fighting. Mainline churches have been infiltrated socially and politically. God will spew them out one day — on His watch.
Yeah, I agree. Sadly, some Pastors – in the pulpit – have equated full Vaccination to the moral imperative of “loving thy neighbor as thyself.” Blanket statements like that are presumptuous; by-pass the dignity of informed consent, and lead people into an idolatrous trust in their Pastor and/or the government
Malone has correctly adjusted his position towards the vax. Suffering himself from the 2nd Moderna really convinced him something is very wrong.
Former/present democrat or not, I admire the man.
Yes, putting it all on the line. Gotta admire that.
In his own way, Alex has done that too. That’s why I find his behavior inexplicable. Out of line.
that may well be true..the part that cynical me can accept: there may be a money interest..or egoism
but here is where that needs to also be balanced: Dr. Malone is pointing to many scientific facts that support his theories and conclusions. He makes no effort to hide his sources of facts to support them. So you can look them up and perform your own due diligence. I admire that. I admire that especially in a period of time when the leading health officials around the world have DELIBERATELY FAILED TO SHOW THEIR WORK IN ALL OF THE MOST CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AREAS.
Is Dr. Malone perfectly correct? Unlikely. But he shows his work. He makes an argument that rejects dogma and institutionalized mind numbing “consensus” with hard facts that are very inconvenient to the “officials” and their policies and narratives.
We need more Dr. Malone. Lots of them.
We need them because the information being fed to the entire global population every single day has been one sided and incomplete. And this effect has terrible consequences to the nature of how humans will one day respond to an actual legitimate crisis. The depths of deceptive practices that have been deployed have a devastating effect on how humans will decide on some future crisis.
For example, I am not a anti-vaxxer. But the sheer scale of deception that has occurred over the past two years has altered my view about drugs and vaccines completely. I no longer have confidence in the FDA. No more confidence in the USG to manage a good working effective crisis plan.
The effects of this to a nation are non-trivial.
So for me, my perspective, more Dr. Malone ….more free speech. More debate. Most contesting the general narrative. Less dependent on political rhetoric and narrative manufacturing.
I have also begun the seriously question the legitimacy and accountability of health care professionals and doctors who have shown so very little actual critical thinking and adherence to the most fundamental aspect of what health science is all about: human health…
the impact of cccp19 and the poison mRNA jab will be generational…
There are few paradigm shifts and filters in my lifetime that have had as much significance.
9/11…vietnam war…the credit derivative swap scandals and the concentration of commercial and retail banking…the meetoo and woke movement. weaponization of the intelligence apparatus and the secret police spy state.
cccp19 and the poison mRNA jab in two years has caused more harm to the human population than all of those former crisis combined…
jmho.
we are in for a very rough ride …that I am sure.
God Bless America
Certainly has been an eye opener in terms of the competence and critical thinking of those around us.
True.
A Fourth Turning indeed.
I admire that especially in a period of time when the leading health officials around the world have DELIBERATELY FAILED TO SHOW THEIR WORK IN ALL OF THE MOST CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AREAS.
When will this become public information? I know it’s true. I’ve spent hours researching and found many “so-called” studies financed by certain shall not be named a$$holes which once they appeared POSITIVE, suddenly disappeared. After certain well known bribes were offered, that is.
Nobody seems to know what gold can be found at the bottom of those rabbit holes.
I’ve watched enough of Malone to know he has never been fond of “Tony” and Malone was aware that “Tony” was a power hungry bureaucrat. Malone knew how the game was played as far as kissing up to guys like Fauci to get funding for your project.
C19 raised the stakes and made Fauci a clear and present danger. We’ve all dealt with people we didn’t respect professionally but we learned to work around the problems guys like Fauci presented.
Berenson wrote a number of novels that sold reasonably well. Not easy to do, I’d take it easy with off handed attacks.
Berenson is a consummate professional. His “shot” at Malone was bought and paid for. No mistakes and no unforced errors.
Mrs. Jones a little update of Dr. Robert W. Malone… He wrote about Eric Berenson cheap shot and then listed his vast proof for the not so knowledgeable Berenson. Their is a website you can go to and read about Dr. Malone
Bushwhacked by Alex Berenson on Fox News
Professional jealousy is an ugly thing
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/bushwhacked-by-alex-berenson-on-fox
Alex Berenson goes on Fox News and directly calls me a liar to my face and says I didn’t invent RNA vaccines.
Unprofessional, rude and an arsehole to boot.
But beyond that, I think we can all assume CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.
So, for Alex, who evidently doesn’t know how to do an internet search, find a patent and read it – I will make it easy for him.
First – a couple of proof of principle experiments conducted in 1989 -from the patents with the priority date of 1989 (issued later, but the ideas/experiments date to March 21, 1989 as decided by the United States Patent Office)
I’ve read both Malone’s and Bereson’s substack articles about the exchange. Thank you for sharing the link. I recommend anyone who has not read the the entire iece by Malone and also the comments.
BothMalone & his wife went to UC Davis….. no conservative could survive there…. they have to leave, shut up or be attacked…
hard core left campus…
“Unprofessional, rude and an arsehole to boot. But beyond that, I think we can all assume CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.”
This suspicious Barsoomian suspects that they may Both be controlled opposition, but for different factions.
“Unprofessional, rude and an arsehole to boot.”
I see Dr. Malone edited his piece slightly.
If we didn’t have different factions fighting each other there would be little fighting 😂😒
That is plan. Keep us fighting amongst ourselves so MAGA can’t get anymore traction
Antifa/Blma vs Proudboys. Both sides funded and controlled by the FBI
yes because how the german population decided Jews were a problem was not psychotic or irrational. They didnt get to the banksters, however, or prevent them from stage managing what followed Weimarism anyway. and 271,301.
(Interestingly, Rod Rosenstein’s wife is a Barsoomian – Lisa Barsoomian) 🙂
Rod Rosenstein’s sister, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, CDC director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, kicked off the CCP Virus Panic with a pess briefing.
Nancy has since been relieved of her position.
Yep. It was all to get rid of PDJT.
I saw it last night.
It was an odd exchange but I think Malone handled it well.
Afterward, I found myself wondering if Berenson’s allegation that Malone had exaggerated his involvement with the development of MRNA might have been better directed toward other lay parties who may have given him more credit than due.
New documentary Battle for Melbourne. The full documentary. Gets it’s stride around the 6 min mark.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wlsWc32pwVZj/
I’m watching it now ty. is our friend Mungrel in it?
I think he said not, C.
Oh, ty. Hope your doing well. If you have ROKU and need a good pickme up movie check out “Footprints”. I think its free on Prime also. Sometimes a break is good. All the best
Super!!! Thank you! And I have a lovely one for you as it happens…
“What We Did on Our Holiday”… Roku.
I shan’t tell you the premise, but trust me. It will be in your top 10. Made in Scotland with actors you will recognize instantly.
I’ve been looking for a chance to recommend it today, and here you’ve given it to me😊 Don’t tell me He doesn’t work in mysterious ways💓 God bless you always, Colkitto.
Colkitto, if you watch this beautiful movie, I’d love to know what you think of it. B
How did you know I love Scotland and the Highlands where some of my heritage comes from? I just tagged it on Tubi. I will watch it today and tell you about it. Thank you so much for the recommendation and the blessings. My prayers to you and yours and all people of good will everywhere. Slainte ma’am
I was afraid you’d miss my recommendation. You will be charmed by it, Colkitto. The children of were unbelievably good😊 A sweet tiny movie as only the British (Scots in this case) can make.
Oh and your love of the Highlands? No coincidence I recommended this. A tiny blessing.
I have posted here that bad batches of vaccine are killing people. Now, doctor Malone is saying the same thing.
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/how-bad-is-my-batch
My 2 Pfizer batches have numbers as bad as Malone’s Moderna numbers.
I got both my shots at a Kaiser hospital.
I looked up my batches as well. Then I shrugged and reminded myself, “My life (not to mention my soul) is in God’s Hands. I’ll be leaving when He decides it’s my time to go.” And that could be in three months, from a car accident, or in twelve years, from whatever malady fatally strikes an 82-year-old.
Just respectfully sending encouragement, if required:)
your best luck is the clowns holding the vaccines.
if they screw up with temperature or whatever, they dont want anyone to know and fire them, so they just put the inactive useless solution in you.
consider yourselves lucky.
I’ve wondered this several times. Or what about the transporters? Can they really maintain the cold chain or are they just sweeping it under the rug when they don’t?
I think like you Fionnagh. I tell my friends that, we are all just like a quart of milk, we all have our due date and those who do not respect that due date, suffer more from trying desperately, not to go back home to their Creator…
I can’t help but ask – what is it with all the car accident themes?
I must ask, as does Diana West, who never hesitates to ASK.
https://dianawest.net/
I do not believe all batches are the same concentration. Once they found some levels of the poison were stronger than most people could handle, they dialed it back and started pushing the boosters to get people to the compliant dose.
In short, they need to get enough of this poison into people, but they didn’t know how much different people could tolerate, so they varied the batch dosage.
In March I got J&J at the Microsoft campus in Redmond, WA. My batch has 36 deaths… the worst of all so far.
Some are suspecting the hot batches are sent to rural/free-thinking locales. The urban areas are largely lemming, democrat. The Powers that Shouldn’t be NEED THEM. And they do want us dead. Try to negotiate with that, no?
And ingredients. They are trying out a lot of different experiments.
Am I misremembering? Or didn’t Berenson used to (still?) work for the NYT?
If I’m correct then perhaps this is a byproduct of his connection with that duplicitous and scurrilous rag. Or maybe Fox ordered him to do what he did. Either way it was shocking.
I’ve just read a response by Dr Malone to a commenter on the sub stack article he wrote in rebuttal to Berenson.
He said that the producer of that atrocious interview apologized to him and said they were blind sided by Berenson’s attack as well.
Whether or not Fox was just covering itself or whether that is actually true is up for debate. I don’t trust Fox in the same way I trust no media today.
Apparently subscribers to Berenson’s substack site are abandoning him in droves… as he sows, so shall he reap.
You mean just like I dumped him after watching that amateur hack show? What on earth did he think he was going to get out of that?
I have no idea . It was an act of exquisitely executed self sabotage.
yes, he worked for NYT
I thought as much, LS. Thank you.
Berenson has been very good reporting as the science reporter he was on data showing so many issues and lies surronding covid, the government’s response, and vaccines, but when he gets out of that narrow line, I have very little use for him as I don’t think he brings anything to the table.
Terrific observation. You’re absolutely correct!
When I saw Berenson (while he was still on Twitter) dismissing any talk of 2020 election fraud, and asserting that Biden legitimately won, he lost all credibility with me.
Of course, Malone also voted for Biden, so I don’t trust him, either.
Do you trust Robert Kennedy on this issue? I don’t think he was a Trump supporter. We can be co-belligerants in this fight with some with whom we don’t agree with on all points.
I doubt Dr. Malone paid anywhere near as much attention to politics as he does his chosen profession. He likely voted for whoever the D candidate was, because of habit, and because he hadn’t drilled down into political history of either candidate, and because of being influenced by the leftwing-biased social circles he probably is surrounded by, including his wife.
I actually doubt Malone would have voted for Biden if he really knew the truth about President Trump versus the 25 tons of lies about Trump that have been plastered all over the media – in the stark absence of any truth about the corrupt Joe Biden – for 5 years and echoed by every Democrat and globalist…
Berenson works hard, is honest with his audience, he admits his mistakes and self corrects. We will see where this goes.
so you think 2020 was a legitimate election?
Yes, I posted to him on his substack that he really needed to apologize, publicly and on Fox. But now I see he posted something that sure doesn’t sound apologetic to me. I’ll give him a few days to figure it out. If he doesn’t, then I’ll drop his substack, too.
Why didn’t Berenson ask Malone in private before blowing his falsehoods on TV if they were on the same side? Seriously, how hard could that be?
“Hey, Dr. Malone, can you explain how you invented the mRNA technology? Also, tell me what evidence is there that ivermectin works?”
Paid attack. Notice it was his first remarks right out of the gate ...
That indicates those remarks had a nefarious purpose…
I agree. There’s no other logical explanation.
Generally, I agree. I’ve been a subscriber to Alex’s substack for a while and he has done very good work exposing the fraud and hypocrisy around the virus and “vaccine”. His background is in medical reporting, and even though it was for the NYT, I have found him credible on this topic (election-related issues, not so much). He does have a sarcastic tone to a lot of his posts though, sometimes they come across a bit awkwardly, kind of out-of-place in terms of tone for the topic. That was what I thought about as I watched the segment with Dr. Malone.
Dr. Malone is the complete opposite in terms of how he delivers information. Scientifically careful and specific with everything that he says. I appreciate that when the topic is so important, complicated and divisive. I thought the claim that he “didn’t invent the technology” had already been put to rest, so not sure why Berenson would bring it up again last night. Dr. Malone addressed that claim thoroughly in his substack post this morning. I started following him as well after his Rogan interview. He posts good material for review and research.
The whole thing was weird and awkward. I’m not quite ready to dispense with Berenson as he has been credible up to now, but I’d really like to see him issue and apology. Otherwise, it’s a pretty short leash he has left with me. He only hurt his own credibility with that unnecessary shot at Dr. Malone. Disappointing…
True. From my experience he seems to actively and emphatically reject any thought of a broader agenda behind COVID. Talking about stats is useful but dies not address the main issue.
Who he?
I’m guessing maybe you mean Berenson, because Dr. Malone has started talking quite a bit lately about the larger global (sinister) agenda. That is certainly the broader issue.
Correct. I meant Berenson.
Just remember that everyone dealing with this chaos comes from a different perspective and are entitled to change their minds (think Glen Beck). I unfollowed Berenson’s substack for some reason, then I unfollowed Malone’s substack because he characterized Trump as “radicalized”. I think both men, while Malone is certainly more qualified, are fighting the same devil, and they both have a bit of an ego. I think they’re both right in different ways on different topics, but also wrong similarly.
Let’s not eat our own like the Left does.
.02
Post is worth a whole lot more than .02 Just sayin” 🙂
Indeed. It’s easy to get caught up with holding every person to some impossible standard (aka agreeing with every single view any given person has) such that nearly all of humankind winds up on the s*** list eventually if we aren’t willing or able to step back and see a bigger picture. It’s tempting to make everything an either/or proposition, as if someone is idealized and held up on a pedestal or relegating to the dungeon for a single iota of wrong think.
Truth is truth no matter who says it. Same goes for falsehoods. Judge the message more than the messenger.
That’s not cool what he said about President Trump.
President Trump did or tried to do what we’ve been begging what is the uniparty for years. The uniparty played dumb and acted like they cared.
If we’re pissed it’s because they stopped who was getting the job done!
Yes, people have differences of opinion. It doesn’t make them bad people.
Haven’t watched the clip, but I got the lowdown last night from Malone’s substack. Too bad.
I wonder if Berenson’s book sales are struggling… too many cooks in the kitchen for his liking, or whatever.
Malone is CIA. Always has been
He said he worked with them.
If you search in the transcript of Dr. Malone’s interview with Joe Rogan, you will find where Dr. Malone describes the Covid narrative as a CIA operation. But US CIA can’t work against the American people, so the US CIA gets the UK CIA equivalent to run the operation here. And UK has the US CIA run the Covid psyop there, against the UK people.
Dr. Malone had a childhood friend who became CIA – all discussed in the interview:
https://covidvaccinesideeffects.com/joe-rogan-interview-with-dr-robert-malone-transcript/
He called one out pretty shamelessly in a manner that was, as a result, probably dangerous for Malone. He certainly was not favorable of either that he mentioned.
I’m a simple man.
Simple answer: Berenson is still a lefty at heart, and doesn’t appreciate voices tending even towards center.
Not even the beatings from Berenson’s fellow comrades have been able to nudge his fundamental underpinnings … at least not yet.
I was put off the minute Berenson said Malone was essentially running around calling himself the inventor of mRNA technology.
I have heard Malone asked about his involvement in the process and he made sure to say he was but one of many who took part in the process.
Berenson, Rogen and others still with ties to the MSM are unable to totally distance themselves from the ingrained belief system that advanced their careers.
They are at least partially open to alternate discussions, but never cross the line and fully detach from the narrative.
Whether for personal and/or professional reasons. .
I guess you have to be optimistic that eventually the cognitive dissonance will be recognized. At least they have the seeds planted.
Berenson is not a scientist, but he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, which actually puts him at the academic level of Fauci. Notice how after he was rebuked he did not touch that rail again.
Exactly right. Malone is the real deal, and while Berenson is right about a lot of things covid, he was way out of his league trying to take on Malone with respect to his credentials as an expert.
I agree, Berenson was inappropriately aggressive toward Malone.
Still claims Dr Malone is not the inventor of the mRNA vaccines, but seems to be intentionally ignoring that Dr Malone has always been very clear that did not invent the vaccines, he invented the technology they use.
Also still insists IVM is not effective.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-daily-beast-asked-me-to-comment
I’ ve been following him for a couple years. He is not that obtuse.
Something is going on here.
limited hangout
I just wonder what was Berenson’s motive. Was it to discredit what Dr. Malone’s position has been on the vaccine? Don’t understand what he was trying to accomplish by attacking him the way he did.
Berenstain (as in sh*tstain) is a koolade drinking yale lefty!!
He was a nyslimes writer, need we say more, for questionable lack of pedigree!!
This turd has zero credibility while Dr Malone, a democrat, kept/keeps his composure and wits about him!! He is a man of facts and non fiction whereas Berenstain is a lackey dealing in fiction and lack of credibility!!
Remember Jeff Gannon and the fake Talon News? Did they ever figure out who gave that male prostitute his security clearance? Log Cabin Republicans.
Gannon-Gate Threatens to Expose a Huge GOP Pedophile and Male Prostitution Ring
http://www.insider-magazine.org/Gannongate.htm
What happened with the Log Cabin Republicans?
I thought I read not long ago they were at Mar a Lago. Melania came down to greet them at this function.
I have no idea what I just watched. What is Berenson even talking about? Obviously, he went off topic and off script. Question is why. I have no idea.
I too was dumbfounded by Berenson’s comments about Dr. Malone. Yours is as good as I’ve heard for his inexplicable behavior. Maybe once a New York Times assh**e, always one. Berenson just went for round two on his sub stack. The comments are read (on his own sub stack) are overwhelmingly on Malone’s side.
Berenson would do well to simply apologize and call it a day.
It was a low blow to impugn his record and achievements and Dr. Malone called him out on it. Berenson did say several times he opposed banning anyone on social media or streaming platforms etc. which is how people are being muzzled and information controlled. Thin skinned as you say, he probably didn’t like the inventor title Fox put on the little banner thingy.
Maybe it’s a fake fight to draw more attention to the cause.
Google Fight… Malone vs. Berenson…
https://www.googlefight.com/malone-vs-berenson.php
MALONE WINS!
(Doesn’t work in Safari for some reason)
I followed Alex Berensen on Substack for a time, when he got banned. But I never liked his way of communicating. I think he was trying to make a point about how we should be allowed to disagree but almost seemed to fabricate an attack in order to do it. Disingenuous lines of attack, do not a good line of solidarity make. LOL
I’ve heard a lot in the media also question Malone’s involvement in mRNA development, but I’ve never seen anyone put any meat on that bone. There’s some sort of nerd media thing related to Malone’s mRNA patents that is being intentionally distorted as a means of discrediting him. It’s something that us anti-vaxxers are coming to the defense of the creator of mRNA tech!
When Malone first happened upon the vaccine mess we got goin’ on here, via the Dark Horse Podcast, there was an immediate and swift attempt at discrediting him — wiped from Wikipedia, a couple bogus high-profile hit pieces, etc. After all, from the perspective of those who took Malone’s early mRNA work to the next level, commercialized it, etc… there are Nobels to consider.
Starting around the same time as the “Inventor Of mRNA Technology” brouhaha… July timeframe… Twitter user Alexandros Marinos went off the chain researching his background… way over and above the detail that Malone himself had provided to that point, though he did go into quite a bit of detail in a Del Bigtree interview. It’s an interesting read, given the insanely deep dive this guy did on the topic.Kudos to him.
Here’s the rollup:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1437626902114562058.html
Note that the rollup from September is a “updated/finalized form” of his original July thread. Anyway…
He closed it out with this final piece of the mRNA history:
@luigi_warren
Malone invented mRNA vaccines about 30 years ago. About ten years ago I invented and demonstrated the first high-profile application of synthetic mRNA (to cellular reprogramming, not vaccines), which was the basis for the founding of Moderna, which inaugurated the “mRNA era.”
The unrolled September update is here, for what it’s worth…
(click “Read full conversation…”)
Sounds like Alex never saw this thread and is running with the Atlantic’s version (August, 2021):
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/
At the bottom of the article: “The Atlantic’s COVID-19 coverage is supported by grants from the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.”
Wow. Infighting. At this moment in history. Even if there is friendly fire, do we have to cover it?
I was disappointed to see Berenson attack Malone. I wonder if what set him off was Malone dismissing the 270 signatories of the letter as including “medical writers”. Being a medical writer hearing that probably rubbed Berenson the wrong way. Berenson has done a lot of good coverage on vaccine adverse events and efficacy although I have noted that he has only had bad things to say about Ivermectin and HCQ while saying good things about Pfizer and Merck’s anti-viral drugs and remdesivir a drug so horrible that ICU nurses call it “run death is near”.
Malone took to his substack after the show and called Berenson controlled opposition which he might be. The one thing he is not is qualified to discuss covid and vaccines at the same level of a Dr. Malone or Dr. McCullough. Berenson has no medical training so is out of his league with the real scientists and doctors.
Dr. Malones claim that he invented mRNA vaccines are easily provable and Malone has posted a long list of patents with his name on it so Berenson doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
See the article The tangled history of mRNA vaccines at https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w for more detail how the mRNA vaccines came about. Dr Malone certainly played a part.
Well, I wouldn’t follow Berenson since he’s praising the mutagenic Merck drug and the half-@$$ed Pfizer drug and the failed ebola drug, Remdesivir, all real studies have it trending to harm and not useful.
But they made their money.
When PT wins in 2024, two must appointments
Dr. Malone – NIH Director
Dr. McCullough – NIAID Director
Dr. Zelenko – Surgeon General
True hero’s
NIH and FDA (primarily), and CDC, HHS, et al (secondarily) are useless, TOTALLY CORRUPT Administrative State constructs… I don’t think Malone, McCullough would want those jobs… but they sure would like to chop them down at the knees… especially Malone, who comes from the DoD side, and has had a ringside seat on the corruption.
Speaking of… Malone made some interesting comments the other day on Bannon, wrt. the DARPA documents recently exposed by James “Beast Mode” O’Keefe and Project Veritas…
“DOD Is Throwing Fauci Under The Bus”
https://rumble.com/vsijm1-dod-is-throwing-fauci-under-the-bus.html
@2:13
“It’s important to know that Tony [Pfauci] bushwhacked DoD after the Anthrax attacks, and grabbed a big chunk of their budget. So there could be some payback opportunity here.”
Vveeeeeerrrryyy interrrvvessssting…
Dr. Zelenko has late-stage cancer. He may not make it to 2024. I hope he does somehow, and much beyond.
How about eliminating these departments? What purpose do they serve other than throw away taxpayer money? Let the medical community operate independently like they always have.
Good for Dr. Malone for calling Alex out and countering his “low blow” with FACTS! Bravo good Dr. BRAVO!
Leftist – need 1 SINGLE LINE about a person to give them an approved EXIT RAMP from DEBATE and DISCUSSION.
i’ve noticed with all Leftist i met at the first instance of Malone – their HIVE comment was “he did not create mrna vaccines some lady did”
my response was providing the scientific paper of him creating the mrna injection technology – creating the solution to inject and it be translated to a protein, and the leftist just BRAIN FROZE and repeated – HE DIDNT CREATE IT A WOMAN DID.
see how it hits both political correct points – shoots a man down, builds a woman up, and destroys the CONVERSATION and makes it EMOTIONAL so thy can DISCONNECT FROM DISCUSSION.
I think Malone’s been getting a lot of attention lately, and Berenson has not been getting as much. I think that is part of the explanation of the rudeness in my humble opinion.
I concur
I think Malone has it right: This is a case of professional jealousy, and it is indeed very ugly. I had already noticed that Berenson does not use his Substack to help push out writings by other authors and scientists. He also never responds to any of the thousands of comments he receives, almost like he doesn’t read any of them. He clearly sees himself as a one-man band.
Berenson was rude, no doubt. I’ve never been big fan – but Malone strikes me as guy who’s enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.
Just sayin
He is earning far more than fifteen minutes IMHO.
Seemed to me that Berenson’s only problem with Malone centers around his claim of inventing MRna technology, which should be easy enough to determine.
The question is… WHY does Berenson challenge that claim?
Is this a “Bragging Rights” issue?
Are there monetary interests involved?
Or, as some suspect, is he just the vanguard of an attack on Malone’s credibility?
It struck me as an “Al Gore – you didn’t invent the Internet” talking point. The herded masses won’t bother to check the facts.
Berenson is framing his arguments in political soundbites- Dr. Malone is speaking in terms of life and death.
Berenson made the same claims that “fat checkers” make regarding Ivermectin and and Malones claim of inventing the MRNA platform. It gave Malone the opportunity to debunk the debunkers on a national show so Berenson helped Malone defend issues on TV. Had this been a YouTube only video, it wouldn’t have seen the light of day.
Excellent call Sundance – I have always thought Alex might have some “on the spectrum” issues.
The question addressed to him was about censorship. But instead of answering he jumped on Malone immediately – which indicates to me he had wanted to confront Malone or get his attention on his RMNA patents and Ivermectin position for some time and perhaps even accepted the engagement through Fox as an a opportunity to do this.
It was interesting that he backed off quickly after Malone responded – as if the purpose of the attach was to get Malone’s attention.
Call me crazy but after seeing the exchange, I wondered if he was trying to get Malone’s attention in order to develop a relationship. A follow-up mea culpa phone call from him to Malone would help him gain favor to Malone’s insight and the MD’s in Malone’s circle. While Berenson has been very helpful with regard to fighting the pandemic narrative, it’s not clear what MD/Scientists/Researchers/Data analysts he uses to bounce his ideas off. On occasion he’s interpreted some data incorrectly.
Then again a tiger can’t change his stripes – Alex is a liberal and all the hubris that goes with that world-view.
“on the spectrum”
Excellent assessment. If you’ve ever seen Alex on tv, he never seems comfortable in his own skin and has always struck me as being socially awkward. I’ve seen him on Tucker Carlson Tonight a number of times, and he never fails to thank Tucker for giving him a platform early on/supporting him. He appears to have humility and truly sounds grateful. That is what is so puzzling about the ambush attack on Malone. IMHO, he really thinks he has something on Malone, but went about it pretty clumsily. This isn’t going to go away, so we just need to wait for the other shoe to drop.
Been reading Berenson now for some time. My opinion of him is that he’s a good guy, former lefty and still adjusting to the idea he was conned. In fact, I am pretty certain Alex was under the left’s state of hypnosis. Just finished the video, I don’t believe Alex is a plant but he still thinks this all to do about ineptitude and greed. Dr Malone is correct the people of Western Nations have been subjected to a great deal of psychological abuse. This started many years ago and the dial was ratcheted up exponentially with Covid. None of that would have been possible without 20-40 years of prior subversion tactics. Not sure why Alex did that but Dr Malone responded perfectly.
Yes, I agree. It did seem rehearsed.
I used to be a fan of Alex Berenson. I bought his book on marijuana and mental illness. i signed up for his daily emails.
Last week, he sent an email that so offended me I cancelled his emails and threw out his book. I regret not seeing through him sooner.
Berenson built quite a following with his covid coverage.
I think once Dr. Malone came on the scene with a vengeance, the Berenson appeal dwindled and he’s not happy about it.
This is about so much more than egos and perceived populist appeal.
It’s a shame Berenson does not or chooses not to see it.
Alex gains the LEFT with this comment – to guide them to learning of the COVID scam,
Malone maintains the RIGHT.
I understand, WP, but to get through this there needs to be an understanding that this is not a virus that can differentiate political affiliation.
These are crimes being perpetrated by almost all governments against all people.
Mind you, I feel a need to explain that I was a moderator then admin on a forum for quite a while.
My kerfuffle nonsense trigger tends to be more sensitive than I would attribute to most others. 😉
basically the left wont listen to anyone the RIGHT LIKES
so if you were to hurt yourself for the greater cause –> you (Alex) and Malone would split the baby and help each side.
Hi, and with your statement I would gather more Democrat Americans would die from the clotshots unless they went further with their satanic plans and distributed more lethal batches by state or district? This is pure speculation on my part.
What are the two biggest targets of the Vaccine Industrial State?
A: Dr. Malone and Ivermectin.
WTF, Alex?
Something happened with Berenson. Always knew and accepted he’s a leftie. He seemed to be doing yeoman’s work on the scamdemic and then goes off the rails last night. Todays email from him (I unsubscribed today) he’s going off on Ivermectin. Crazy train time I guess.
Thus proving Dr. Malone’s Mass Formation Psychosis theory.
Man I’m grumpy tonight – sorry
I don’t buy Malone’s “Mass Formation Psychosis” bs
Read Erich Frohmm’s “Escape From Freedom” for alternative take. People like Group Think, they’re heard animals with a dark side that doesn’t take much to come out
Look at the embrace of CNN viewers and other lefty purveyors of anti-Trump propaganda. They’re a willing mob out for blood. Malone’s analysis strikes me as academic clap trap that exonerates the willingness of the mob to seek out scapegoats and be so willing to develop a taste for blood. Guess why that’s why I’m skeptical of this guy Malone. Perhaps I’m wrong, just don’t get a good feeling about him
Well, maybe I’m right because I do? Feelings are not that reliable in this attempt to detect truth – IMHO.
Dr. Malone has also consistently given credit to the Danish professor and writer Matteus Desmond who originated the mass formation psychosis theory; Malone has never claimed it’s his own theory.
Point taken. My assessment based on “feelings” about Malone not worthy of posting about.
As a Brit I love that he called him an ‘arsehole’! (Can’t tell you why)
1) The Evil Junk Doctors, And Quacks Strike Back!!!
https://nationalfile.com/270-doctors-sign-letter-demanding-spotify-censor-joe-rogan-covid-missinformation/
https://spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com/2022/01/10/an-open-letter-to-spotify/
2) JRE Podcast #1757, Dr. Robert Malone, MD, Full Video, (With Key Points, And With Time Codes)
https://covid19up.org/joe-rogan-robert-malone-interview/
3) Say No To Junk Science
Say No To The Violation Of The Hippocratic Oath
Say No To The Violation Of The Nuremburg Code
FJB/LGB
Two possibilities:
1. Controlled opposition as Malone says.
2. Or Berenson doesn’t like anyone moving in on his turf as official Fox News Covid contrarian.
Aztecs were honored to have their children selected for sacrifice. They watched as their own children walked up the steps of a pyramid, only to have their hearts ripped out by a “priest” and were well thought of by the community afterwards.
I gather Berenson views Malone getting 50 million people to watch him on Joe Rogan isn’t “good for the cause.” Professional envy, and a need perhaps to differentiate his brand. He also goes off on “conspiracy theorists” who don’t think the Hologram won 2020 election was fair and square. So, you can take the man out of the NYT, but getting the NYT out of the man… not so easy.
Lol. “you can take the man out of the NYT, but getting the NYT out of the man… not so easy.”
Solid truth, there!
Malone can talk on RIGHT platform
Alex cannot be accepted by LEFT platforms if he is viewed as being loved or accepted by the RIGHT.
by ALEX bringing up the ONLY LEFTIST HIVE COMMENT about Malone (not inventor or mrna blah blah a woman did) he IMMEDIATELY gains ACCESS to their hive mind.
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You are all smart and logical – so none of what i said above will make sense. but trust me a leftist loves ALEX now and will listen to him about COVID.
1) now we have the Right learning about covid being a scam AND the LEFT learning about COVID BEING A SCAM.
Don’t count on the lefty hive mind listening to him. The hate runs deep in them and the poll Sundance posted on them and how they view those who still want to use freewill shows how far gone they really are.
i will say that i’ve seen an interesting trend –> those we beleive in science science. its a bunch of sentences lik blakc lives matter, people in this house beleive in science etc..
those signs arent in the yards anymore.
Hmm, I will take a look on my drive to work. I travel through a lot of liberal towns. Have seen so many of those signs. Even had idiot protesters out in the cold on Jan 6th insisting that Trump be arrested. So I’ll take a look and see if at least some are coming down.
I’m often reminded of the Omega Man. I feel like that driving through these towns. Like I’m the only sane person uninfected by the liberal virus driving them all mad.
Wow. Come to think of it…I will have to start watching for them on drives in my area where there were swaths of them.
Paid or threatened.
Anything is in play.
When it’s sudden, I always suspect threatened.