Candace Owens likely felt some need to follow up on her interview with President Trump due to overwhelming opinion of Trump’s vaccine position. Unfortunately, she attempts to reconcile President Trump’s position by casting aspersions toward him [Daily Mail Article].
Mrs. Owens reconciles President Trump’s support for the three COVID-19 vaccines by saying he’s too old to understand the troublesome vaccine information and doesn’t use the internet for his research. WATCH:
https://youtu.be/IBOk3b3BJjM
President Trump’s position on the vaccines –as a tool in the arsenal to combat the pandemic– is essentially unremarkable. Trump supports the vaccines that were developed, under the goal of providing protection for people against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, by the scientific community. However, President Trump repeatedly insists that no one should be mandated to take the vaccine.
The essential Trump position has consistently been:
‘The American and international scientific and medical establishment have determined that SARS-CoV-2 represents a significant threat to public health. In response, the United States Center for Disease Control (CDC), the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the U.S. National Institute of Health (NIH); in coordination with the World Health Organization (WHO) and various governments around the globe, have worked with scientists and pharmaceutical companies to develop vaccines to be deployed under emergency authorizations. Those vaccines are available for the American public to consider and use, if a person is worried about their health risk.’
That’s it, that’s the sum total of President Trump’s position.
Trump doesn’t feel people should be pressured, forced, coerced or mandated to take a vaccine. Nor should anyone be subject to discrimination or division based on their unique medical decision. Vaccination is an individual choice, and President Trump has said, repeatedly, he respects anyone’s decision either way, and the federal government should not be involved. From my perspective, this is non-controversial.
Additionally, despite the proclamations of many who have even written on these comment sections, this position is not only the same as Florida Governor ¹Ron DeSantis, but also identical.
Again, position encapsulated: “Here’s what the professionals who work for your federal government have come up with, use them as you see beneficial to yourself and your family.”
In addition to the vaccine development approach, in 2020 President Trump authorized the U.S. medical community to work collaboratively to immediately provide therapeutic options and antibody treatments as tools and resources for doctors and infected patients to use in treatment.
Critics of President Trump have argued that the former president should now be taking a strong position in opposition to the vaccines as a result of new information which undermines the original efficacy of them. The vaccines now require boosters, and the vaccines do not stop the spread of infection, ergo they are useless or potentially worse, might cause harm.
Despite these issues, the position of the United States government has not changed, and all of the previous U.S. medical institutions who advised on the original approach toward vaccination against the pandemic have not reversed their position. Those are the current decision makers for public health, not Donald Trump.
The public ire directed toward President Trump would be more appropriately targeted toward the professionals in the scientific and medical establishment who are in the current position to make a modification or reversal in their approach.
There are many people using hindsight to criticize President Trump saying: with revelations over the past two years the entire U.S. medical establishment no longer holds credibility. However, at the time those original pandemic mitigation decisions were made, and President Trump activated a Cornavirus Taskforce led by Vice President Mike Pence, how many American people really understood the political nonsense happening deep inside the CDC, FDA and NIH?
It’s fair to say almost no one knew how corrupt those institutions of U.S. public health were at the time when the first concerns of the COVID virus were raised. Similarly, few people knew how corrupt the FBI and U.S. intelligence apparatus was in 2016 when those institutions were spying on and targeting candidate Trump. Most of the identified revelations of historic corruption surface only as a result of investigations after the fact.
Approximately two-thirds of the American population have taken the vaccine shot(s), and a large number of them are currently in the process of getting boosters. We can only imagine what would happen if the U.S. government was to officially state the vaccinations are now determined to be detrimental in some manner or form. That’s why it is certain, regardless of the danger or lack thereof from the vaccination itself, the U.S. government will never, ever, reverse course on their claims of vaccine safety, or even value.
Expecting some entity or individual in the United States to be capable of forcing the United States government, or any medical institution within it, to admit they are potentially harming the public – is an exercise in futility. It will never happen. Ever. That Rubicon was crossed well over a year ago.
We are now at the point where the FDA is authorizing, under emergency use processes, just about anything the medical establishment tells them to authorize. Which, understandably, has resulted in even fewer people participating in anything the FDA, CDC and NIH come up with.
Is the COVID-19 virus, or any iteration of a variant therein, likely no worse than a severe flu strain? The answer to that has always been, maybe. When you layer on sunlight showing how political the FDA, CDC & NIH institutions are, the answer shifts to ‘more than likely.’ However, we are operating now with a hindsight that was not available before, and even now data is still kept from the overwhelming majority of the American people, and Big Tech has been instructed to do exactly that.
Candace Owens reconciles President Trump’s position by saying, “he’s old” and “he doesn’t use the internet for his own research.” To me that is not only curt and ridiculous, that position shows me Mrs. Owens does not understand the importance of the stable mindedness needed for success at the scale of a United States president.
I said at the early phase of the COVID fear and pandemic rising how we were fortunate to have Donald Trump in the White House, because his general disposition is to permit individual states and individual people to make their own decisions.
At a time, when COVID panic was at its apex, Trump could have gone full totalitarian dictator, and few would have flinched. But he didn’t… instead he urged calm and told the American people to act prudently, but do not allow fear to overcome us.
All of the issues around vaccines are related to scientific and medical community practices. Neither Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis is a scientist or a doctor, and they can only rely upon the opinions, suggestions and recommendations provided to them by experts in these fields.
It is one thing for you and me to have research-based opinions on vaccines that may or may not align with scientific consensus. It is another kettle-o-fish entirely for Donald Trump to have an opinion, where his public statements are weighted toward national policy for public health.
I specifically remember when President Trump told us from the White House podium that the media-driven hype over the COVID-19 “was a hoax,” and the industrial media complex, along with both sides of the political spectrum and the total scientific medical community, blasted him for downplaying the SARS-CoV-2 risk.
From where I sit, given the scale of what has taken place, President Trump’s current position is stable and non-controversial. Essentially, here’s the vaccine tools they say will help, decide for yourself.
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[¹] It is noted there’s a strong correlation between Ted Cruz supporters 2016 and many current Ron DeSantis promoters in 2021.
IMO he could do more than just say he doesn’t believe the shots should be mandated.
He could hedge a bit on total belief in them and their efficacy(never ending boosters), and possibly there use on children.
I have not gotten the flu shot in years, about 10. I just started to think, why am I trusting the FDA, who kills more people than it saves and the pharmaceutical companies. I did get the older shingles vaccine after a young coworker had a horrible case. Looking back I went against my intuition because of fear. Fear is driving this machine. Satan is the initiator of fear and the father of lies. When my husband and I got the “THE FLU” in January 2019, it was a little rough for a while but the nurse at my job said, you are at the tail end. Well hindsight, it was CoV 19. So I thought all along I have immunity, even before I heard Dr. Peter McCullough come out about our immunity once we had it. Most people have probably had it and recovered with immunity for the future.
Like a few have said Trump is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t come straight out against the harm and evil of this vaccine, that I know is killing people, on purpose. Trump is not my daddy nor do I want him to be, he is a fighter for freedom of the USA. I think we are all grown people who make our own decisions for better or worse and need to live with those consequences. So who the freaking else are you gonna trust? It’s gonna get a lot nastier, so all I can say is, “Let’s roll DEPLORABLES” MAGA (I mean other than The Lord Jesus Christ) of course. Blessings to all and thank you Treehouse and Sundance…I’ve learned a lot since I was wondering through the woods and said, wow! now that’s a cool tree-house!
God Bless President Trump!
Candace Owens is one brave woman, just give her time to mature a bit, we all need that Grace!
“Expecting some entity or individual in the United States to be capable of forcing the United States government, or any medical institution within it, to admit they are potentially harming the public – is an exercise in futility. It will never happen. Ever. That Rubicon was crossed well over a year ago.”
The harm is not merely “potential”. There will be no way of hiding it or reversing the consequences. Admitting that it is happening is irrelevant. Stopping it is should be the highest priority of anyone intending to lead the country out of this madness.
SD, I am a DeSantis voter, and I loathe Ted Cruz. This vaccine boondoggle is a noose the Deepthroat State will lay on President Trump. Candace ain’t what she appears to be.
BIG PICTURE which is always #1 in Trump Think :
Age group ~~ % taken at least one jab
18 – 24 ~~~~~~ 71
29 – 39 ~~~~~~ 74
40 – 49 ~~~~~~ 82
50 – 64 ~~~~~~ 89
65 – 85 ~~~~~~ 98% “vaccinated”
So somewhere between 70-99 % of voters are already vaccinated. If President Trump’s base of support is people over 40 then fully 8 out of 10 of them are not offended by his recent statements regarding vaccination. This data is from USA Facts dotorg. It does not take into account all age groups, only those of voting age. Taking into account 5-yr olds and up the national number is 74% people with at least one vaccine shot. Overall the same group with multiple shots , considered “fully vaccinated”, whatever that means, is only 62%.
The numbers you cite are US government numbers….and we all know that the current regime always tells the truth, right?
The numbers seem reasonable. Actually glad they don’t have exact numbers with direct line proof for each citizen. That would be the beginning of a nightmare scenario.
I disagree with the first half of your post, but agree vehemently with the second half.
The jab numbers are produced by the same people who have inflated case numbers using false positives from an inappropriate test, and corrupted death numbers by conflating with and from. I see no reason to take anything from them at face value….or at all.
Not to diverge, but I love your Treeper name.
Maybe someone will take CollapseHyoidBone someday.
Excellent post with very measured sediments. While I like and respect Candace Owens, this is likely the most stupid thing she has ever said.
Even someone as intelligent and classy as Candace Owens is, can misspeak. I hope she issues a clarification.
I can personally live with the fact that President Trump may have flaws…I hope you’s all can as well come 2024…Because there is a lot of good in this man that we as a nation can benefit from, as has been the case in the past…That’s my story & I’m sticking to it.
Trump got bamboozled by the medical establishments of the US and Britain led by Fauci/Gates. He believed their blatant lies and officially acted upon them. He has been in CYA mode over that error ever since. He does not psychologically admit mistakes, but here he was lied to. Until and unless he is returned to power anything he could do would come off as sour grapes, so he maintains the stance stated above.
If he does regain power, the entire leadership of the US medical establishment should be imprisoned for life!
Unfortunate that Mrs. Owens has decided to disparage “old people”. President Trump is only a few months older than I am, and I use the internet and alternative media daily. In fact, I do not have cable, satellite or tv in my home. I only have internet sources; alternatives, etc.
Given that President Trump is a “very stable genius” I must deduce that he has other ideas and reasons for supporting the jab. I just wish that when talking about the virus, the jab, et. al., he would highlight the numerous resources available to the public at large, since a number of the people that I personally know only receive their “news” from the fake media outlets.
That would, however, produce a firestorm of protest and caterwauling from critics and would probably not enlighten even one soul.
Which leaves me to conclude Sundance is as usual on target and President Trump is more than likely correct in his behavior and stance. Looking at history, both gentlemen have a proven track record of being accurate and correct. Prior to “the virus” President Trump voiced concerns about the vaccine programs, and indicated there were cures to mankind available that have not been shared or disclosed due to financial gain. My interpretation of his comments. Therefore, there must be good reason for him, personally, to take the position he has taken.
I must make my own decisions based on my knowledge and beliefs and experience the consequences of my decisions; just as everyone else does.
I remain, yours truly, unvaxxed.
Just imo, PDJT is handling covid issue the exact right way. Old folks and compassionate-portly-Americans were dropping like flies from covid19 early on, so the vaccine prolly saved many lives. People should decide for themselves whether to get vaccinated.
*based upon their risk level
Mandates are the issue. On this Trump is solid. The rest of it is risk-management within the province of individual responsibility.
Precisely.
The anit vaxxers are upset that P Trump doesn’t buy into their spin on their science of the vax. They have lost all perspective. Presumably they would deny the vax to the millions who wanted to take it.
Once again, P Trump is on the right side of the issue.
And Candace is a low IQ grifter who is consistently given a pass, based solely on the strengths of melanin content, comparative youth, & that oh-so-sacred 2nd X chromosome.
She doesn’t represent me because stupid people don’t represent me.
“Human society cannot be rationally understood until it is seen for what it is. A series of farms where human farmers own human livestock.
Wake up. To see the farm is to leave it.
To be truly free is both very easy, and very hard.”
Stephan Molyneux
https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/human-farm-the-story-of-your-enslavement/72431
video version
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/human-farming-the-story-of-your-enslavement-stefanmolyneux_AYxlWx9bkccaS6c.html
Thank you Sundance. I was a strong admirer of Ms. Owens. But her characterization of P Trump is a turn off.
She can go stuff it.
I tend to agree with Candace there were a lot of things that Trump said that was based on somewhat main stream ideas he just didn’t quite understand the enormity of the situation regarding many other issues…
He was the commander, not a doctor. His job was to decide and act based on best available information. Unfortunately he was once again being deceived. But, he did act. He did not mandate.
You are. correct. However, it doesn’t help me understand his support of the vaccines TODAY. S
Warp speed threw a monkey wrench in a projected 10-12 year lockdown of the entire world as per Klaus Schwab. Look it up. They had plans and President Trump stopped them cold. President Trump is walking a razors edge right now as the DS is trying to figure out/ prepare how to wrap the entire last year around President Trumps neck with a nice little red bow. President Trump knows that and is threading the needle; something he is very adept at. I am not surprised at all of you who immediately are ready to discard President Trump at the drop of a hat because he does not niche into your prescribed anticipations of how you think the world should be. It seems to be the human default condition. See if you can rise above that.
Look at it this way, our nation is growing up right now and we are dividing the wheat from the chaff. We are beginning to see who is who and what is what right now. Americans are learning Civics 101 for the first time. You never cared before, but you do now. That is good. We are emerging from adolescence into a mature nation state, and it hurts. Everybody freaks at the pain. Pain is good. Growth can include pain. Do not run from it but learn from it. Grow up. President Trump has been consistent for the last 30 years. Look at his old videos. He is the only President in memory that actually kept his campaign promises. Are you really going to ditch him because of this one thing? He will work this out and his (our) enemies will once again eat dirt.
The challenge for content creators is that who they support today, they cannot support tomorrow if that person does not fit the narrative they constructed. Time to grow up content creators. For starters, let’s all just assume that President Trump has the full picture and there is a lot we do not know because to let it all be public would compromise his strategy. But we will know eventually. Look how much we have learned in the last six years. We will continue to learn, grow, and strategize this situation.
I implicitly trust Jesus, Trump, and myself. Will I ever add anyone else to that list? I will not hold my breath. BTW, great article Sundance. Thank you.
Why don’t you try reading sundance’s article over and over and over until you do understand. If you still don’t understand, it would appear that you don’t want to.
I didn’t take Trump’s advise before he was president and will not consider it now. He just moved from public figure to politician. People should consider that first.
When he recovered from covid, am I mistaken or did he take some other therapy?
His number one asset to our country was the lefts hate exposed. All the corruption in the FBI and DOJ, courts, and especially the voter fraud. We thought Biden was kidding when he said “largest voter fraud machine in history.”
It’s up to us to remove the rot.
I voted for Trump twice, but then again I voted for Romney, and McCain.
I assume Trump weighs civil war against four years of Biden when he left?
I don’t see him by any means dumb, but his world is much different than most of us, and that is reasonable to consider.
I never thought socialism could survive the light of day in America but here we are?
Masks, shots, free money for all including invaders?
I think it unwise to focus on Trump anymore! Our future is here now and I do not see help except for our Lord to conquer these demons, as should be.
I will take Trump again in a heartbeat. Good try though.
Speaking the obvious truth isn’t “trying” anything. It’s just saying the truth out loud. If you don’t want to see it, that’s your choice.
Be careful of truth
“If you don’t want to see it, that’s your choice.”
I would suggest your read this article over and over until you see the truth of what is written. If you never see it, it’s because you choose not to.
Take your own advice or is it good for thee but not you?
You speak nothing but lies. Go back to whatever marxist comment section you came from.
Free money for everyone but the White Man.
You do realize that at some point one has to address a key question: why was he deceived so often? Does that reflect a key leadership weakness?
I don’t post this thought as an anti-Trumper. It is posted to leaven the discussion – it’s a key point that has to be addressed BEFORE 2024 rolls around.
Not a weakness.
Just a realization that the swamp is wider and deeper than we imagined.
And unfortunately for us, at this point, draining it peacefully may be impossible.
That’s exactly right. It’s a HUGE weakness. It means he’s not really the one governing, it’s whoever is feeding him his “information.” Anyone that easily manipulated is unfit to govern. And I don’t say that lightly. After all, I voted for the man both times. But not again.
It’s amazing that at this juncture you are so certain you will not vote for him again.
As everyone knows, the selection of a particular candidate involves choosing one over all the others. So who might those other candidates be? You don’t even know! I guess that makes you more than just a newborn NeverTrumper, but rather a new classification altogether that could be described as NeverEverTrumper.
In short, your position is simply not credible. You’re either His Eminence, Pierre Delecto himself, rebranded, or an acolyte thereof.
Let’s take Pierre Delecto. Most of us voted for him over the Communist. Not a bad choice, I don’t think, but His Eminence has a too-long list of objectionable positions and decisions.
In a word, Pierre, is one of the least attractive Republican choices, but I cannot say I would not, under any circumstances, vote for him (as a GOP nominee) if Biden (or any of his cohorts, including any and all democrats!) ran against him.
In sum, even though some of your points are valid, you have entirely neglected those aspects of Trump’s presidency that were pure greatness.
Everything going forward will be about choice, and choice only, yet you, as a NeverEverTrumper omit this important fact in favor of your true purpose of political agitation to smear one of history’s greatest presidents!
I think President Trump was deceived because he viewed every issue with a businessman’s Can Do attitude and mistakenly attributed good faith pro-American intentions on the part of the other politicians, including the intentions of his appointed advisors.
He just didn’t understand the down and dirty dog-eat-dog world of big league politics.
The construct is fallacious. You can’t succeed as POTUS by mistrusting everyone. Trump was not swamp-bred and misread (as all of us did) the depth of corruption there. Have you never been deceived by an accomplished liar? DC is full of them.
Ignorance is not a defense.
Defense of what? What exactly did Trump do wrong? He never mandated the vaccine, masks or lockdowns. He supported therapeutics and herd immunity from day one. What exactly did he force upon you to make you so whiney? Did he every once tell you you have to get vaccinated? If so, prove it. Let’s see the order or the video clip of him doing so. The fact is, you can’t because he never did any such a thing.
The only thing Candace has exposed is her ability to greatly underestimate and comprehend President Trump …and perhaps,her own political plot.
Can you imagine claiming he’s not a big thinker, that he isn’t willing to play the long game or, that he isn’t willing to take all the slings and arrows as it will eventually come to light?
1-He is old
2- He does not live in our world
3- BUT, he is still the most “In Tune” with US.
4- He has been Gaslighted by trusted people – Mark Meadows
5- Please Stop Promoting these Jabs at your Rallies Pre Trump. It is not helpful.
One thing I dislike, no matter who practices the technique, is historical reconstruction.
I agree with the fundamental point that PDJT pinned his policy anchor to individual choice. Were one to dig deeper, Prez Trump also initiated a number of salutary actions that likely saved many lives – including Operation Warp Speed.
As with everything, however, there is another side to the dynamic (and to this piece which is positioned to address a different concern – the context leading into 2024). Here’s what I recall:
What concerns me most is the apparent inability to discriminate character, intent and loyalty in those placed into critical leadership positions. It’s a pattern that persisted throughout four years. It clearly manifested itself in the whole seesaw evolution of Covid policy.
“ seesaw evolution of Covid policy.”
What Trump seesaw policy are you referring to?
I am referring to actions/policies/information before, during and after PDJT. Not every dang thing under the sun is about Trump. He was one player in a larger drama. What were the modelers, epidemiologists, talking heads, pharm reps, politicians saying from beginning to current end? It was all over the map – a witches brew of uninformed, unexamined, unvalidated “science” and subversive political/ideological fear mongering.
For crying out loud – these animals in power still have no interest in digging to the seminal causal event (to include intent).
The whole global Covid history is a grand exercise in white rabbits pulled from black hats.
I see. On the one hand you criticize Trump for being the nonexpert that lead the daily discussions at briefings, and then criticize the fact that he did not redirect medical officials, modelers, epidemiologists, pharma reps etc., in the right medical direction.
Again, you present some valid points, but as per Pierre Delecto acolyte (Blackgriffen), your purpose is agitation and smear.
On the issue of those briefings, Trump wisely chose to pitch his administration’s extraordinary efforts to deal with this medical crisis (as it was thought to be!). It doesn’t matter what Communist Media says or prints, historians will see the record and the verdict will be that these efforts were enormous and effective as to their known and presumed purposes.
During these briefings the President specifically called forth those with expertise who were entrusted by the public with the job of confronting the medical emergency (again, as it was thought to be!).
Lastly, you describe failures. I won’t shy away from that word. I’ll just repeat what I said above: not to mention the greatness of Trump’s presidency is tantamount to not believing it was great. If that is the case, then one must assume that you too are a follower of Pierre Delecto.
he specifically said “seesaw evolution of Covid policy”. I do not believe he was inferring Trump had other such actions—if he did, I did not see them. I was, and am, frustrated that clowns like Fauci and Milley—not to mention Wray—stayed on—but losing Comey wrote a check for a boondoggle of world class levels—so what would happen had he dissolved the entire fbi for example? He may be better off in executing swamp draining efforts after four years of this horror show—should we actually exit a state where people can still cast meaningful votes.
a key learning is as someone noted above—civics. Local and State governments require engagement and strengthening. Neither do we have or want a king, or the huge federal government created by dictators such as the regime trying to permanently install itself just now. Our country is the United States. That is STATES that are aligned with a relatively small federal government to provide for the common defense.
get rid of federally mandated things like schools—these, and many other things—as described in our Constitution, belong to our states.
President Trump’s weakest area was always personnel.
And, President Trump, please stop complimenting your enemies all the time. You’re not ingratiating yourself to anyone.
…and yet one of the most enduring criticisms from Trump’s enemies and other assorted whiners is that ‘he’s such a meany’, a mean and nasty tweeter, etc. So, what is he, too mean or too nice? It really can’t be both.
Thank you for proving my point.
How exactly was Trump supposed to fire those people when the entire Western news media was calling him a murderer on a daily basis and blaming him for every single China virus death? If he had fired Fauci, they would have tripled down on it and you damn well know it. Fauci was like a God to them and still is.
It’s real easy to talk when you don’t have to answer to anybody like he did.
“he just didn’t quite understand the enormity of the situation regarding many other issues…”
Wow. And you do? What an arrogant comment. Maybe you should be President?
Thank you…
I am the first to admit I’m not sure what this means…but, I am willing to take this comment and wait patiently to see what comes of it.
Yesterday, while taking my dog for a walk I met a man walking his dog also. We started chatting and soon I learned he attended the fund raiser for President Trump at the Naples Airport earlier this month. He was with Representative Byron Donalds. After we discussed long term ramifications of the Kim Potter verdit, (which he explained from the police perspective) I moved the conversation to express the disappointment I felt in Trump and his pushing the vaccine regardless of the mandate status. Trump clearly stated he believes in the vaccine. I said he’s losing his base. This gentleman’s response was, “Trump hates the vaccine. You are watching a movie, nothing is real. ”
There was something extremely compelling in his response, he clearly knew more information than the rest of us are privi to…. so, we all wait. Let’s pray this coming year there is truth to his words. I think it could be a message of hope.
Well that’s interesting
I have no reason to doubt you, but still I do wish you could have recorded him saying that.
Conspiratorial nonsense. Let’s see some evidence of this. If this man supposedly knows something we don’t, then he needs to tell us so publicly and provide proof. Otherwise, I’m going with what I personally saw and heard.
I believe Sundance calls this “Hopium.” I will believe such things when I see it.
Trust the plan!
Trump is the final reincarnation of Sun Tzu and has the power of ninja invisibility and Jedi mind control.
At just the right moment—Der Tag, a sooper seekrit unveiling known only to himself—he will be revealed as having defeated all the forces of Evil.
So don’t worry about the apparent disconnect from reality required to explain why he promotes the quackzine.
At what point do you stop believing the “you are watching a movie” narrative? I already had to leave a job, I have lost friends, I can’t shop at many stores and just south of the state boarder is another state that wouldn’t even let me buy a beer if I were to go there.
Are we still watching movie as thousands die due to vaccine? Or is it still a movie when Biden sits in the white house surrounded by barbed wire? I really look forward to the scene where I have to carry a gold star on my shirt or get rounded up into all of those detention camps they built.
Believing that you’re watching a movie prevents you from acting, it’s a genius nullifying scheme. Never loose hope, but fight like hell because this nation was built by WE the people. Which means, no one is coming to save you because you are part of the we. Q didn’t accomplish what it may have set out to, but that also doesn’t mean it was a lie or that it failed miserably.
Soldiers on the battlefield may suffer 90% casualties taking an island that’s never used by the military again. Was that fight hopeless or pointless, no, they still fought the enemy.
Mark, what you say is true. As an unvax’d, many of us wonder the same things. I have a home up in Illinois and I wonder when the intrastate travel will be limited to the vax’d only. We know this administration is going to do everything in their power to make us as uncomfortable as possible to cave and get it. I won’t… it’s just not ever going to happen.
I don’t think when he unfortunately used the term “watching a movie” … was the best choice of words. My takeaway and hope, stating that Trump hates the vaccine much…. more has to be at play. This man was not your average Joe… I just shared my experience as food for thought. As in all things you have a choice to reject or consider. Nothing more.
Did He also say “Trust the Plan” or “Tick Tock” ?, John Durham will save us? President Trump is on our side. I trust him, I just don’t like his stance on the Jabs. As a 155 IQ he should notice that they don’t work. He sounds like a Democrat pushing these useless dangerous jabs. Now he will watch his Grandkids get the Jab…I don’t get the logic. It’s Dumb.
Sounds like q-ism.
If ‘President Trump hates the vaccine’ – why is he strongly encouraging it and shushing those who boo when he promotes it?
There was nothing q-ism about this gentlemen. And further before anyone suggests I am q-ism … wrong girl.
Look… you guys are right to question, challenge and confront anything that goes against your grain. I was just sharing my experience… I said upfront I didn’t know what to make of it, but he was compelling enough for me to put myself out here amongst all of you highly patriotic, educated treepers. I have immense respect for most of you.
I made a living out of analyzing, interviewing and profiling people…. my gut tells me as controversial as his comment was about Trump… it’s worth storing in the data base. That’s my simple, little point.
No.
Agree and I appreciate you shared this.
Norma, thanks for your story.
Sorry you are getting swarmed simply for posting it.
Sun Tzu- The Art of War. Show strength when weak, weakness when strong. Remember when DJT talked about hydroxy and ivermectin and the pharmaceutical media industrial complex foamed at the mouth 24/7 and said DJT wanted people to inject aquarium chlorine? That is the kind of crazy demented lying he is dealing with. That said, I believe this covid thing was invented for mail-in voting and to get rid of DJT specifically. There were trillions at stake and the corrupt DC machine knew they could never win an election with a demented basement troll and wh*re. They won an election with 81 million votes running two of the most least popular dems who could not attract 20 supporters to a speech? But we must remember, it was “the most honest election in earth’s history.” And they had to go full Stalin censorship with political prisoners and constant fear porn to any dissent, all the signs of honest election, LOL!!!! You just can’t make these things up!
agree
Trump needs a little more John Boyd.
The gentleman’s response is spot on.
The Leader of the Free World (if you choose to view PDJT that way, still) cannot take a public position against the normie’s trusted health figures or their work product. He can however, allow them doing what they do, and showing who they actually are, to be exposed in the process.
Compare what is known now about the medical-industrial complex to what was common knowledge before this pantomime began. If all you can see is vaccines, or what PDJT says about them, you may not be as awake as you think. Candace included.
Normalcy bias presented by the hopelessly biased may be a salve for regret, but it produces nothing more but the same. That jabbed family member who’s buried their head is proof of that.
3-D chess again.
🙄😏
BullSchit.
Trump had a full interview recently to declare his position on killing over 800,000 Americans and injuring many millions more.
Trump remains proud of the suppsoedly Warp-Speed vaccine that has been in development along with Covid itself for nearly a decade.
No nation on earth can afford to have such a clueless wonder as its leader.
You may as well be proud to have Dementia-man as preisdent.
I see. Trump is just another Biden. Got it!
Bullcrapalone
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Trump had a full interview recently to declare his position on killing over 800,000 Americans and injuring many millions more.
Trump remains proud of the supposedly “Warp-Speed” vaccine that has been in development along with Covid itself for nearly a decade.
No nation on earth can afford to have such a clueless wonder as its leader.
You may as well be proud to have Dementia-man as president.
Don’t Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens appear together frequently?
I find anything Ben does as highly suspect especially when he tried to derail Trump’s 2016 campaign and Breitbart became unreadable as they pushed Cruz.
I feel comfortable doing that with Candace as well. I see the ground work being set to have the same groups and individuals, dividing and pushing Cruz ( who just said he thinking about running again) and DeSantis (who says he is not running)
Sundance, I appreciated your factual, unemotional description of President Trump’s formed and not-over- reaching opinion as brought to him by our experts. The experts that are the ones who will be accountable for the information presented. Over and over, I clearly have heard President Trump promote therapeutics. He has never attempted to remove our God-given and Constitutional freedoms.
[¹] It is noted there’s a strong correlation between Ted Cruz supporters 2016 and many current Ron DeSantis promoters in 2021.
Indeed.
The correlation is that many of of us seek intelligence and gritand believed we saw it demonstrated in Ted Cruz and now, a thousand times more powerfully in Ron De Santis.
De Santis needs to Declare the VAX Null and Void in FL. He could do this by starting an FL FBI investigation into all of the VAX Deaths and suspending lawsuit immunity until the DRUG DEATH DEALERS provide informed consent.
“The experts that are the ones who will be accountable for the information presented. Over and over, I clearly have heard President Trump promote therapeutics. He has never attempted to remove our God-given and Constitutional freedoms.”
Therein lies the gist of the battle and where PDJT can lead. By not attacking the government/corporate fascism currently in play, the real scourge to the average citizen under color of law, he’s missing an enormous leadership opportunity if his goal is to coalesce and lead the MAGA group, one that apparently makes up a large contingent of the unvaccinated, and bring others into the MAGA fold to attack the Communists at the local, state and then ultimately federal level.
The vaccine isn’t the enemy, nor is our system of government. It’s humans. Focus in on them. View the leaders and their soldiers and mercenaries as equals. All are the enemy. Deal with them appropriately. Hate to say this at Christmas but they don’t give one spit about our lives. That’s who and what they are. Unwinding decades of faith and trust in fellow humans has been a harsh road. Evil walks among us. Never forget.
You are exactly right. Owens and Shapiro talk so fast that they don’t have time to listen to the nonsense they talk about. They are typical millenials, full of “ageism” and think they know the answer to everything, but actually know very little and lack experience. I know Shapiro is a Never-Trumper, arrogant and an elitist. It would be sad to see Owens go down the same path.
Ninety-five percent of all anti-Trump comments in recent days are coming from camouflaged NeverTrumpers, NeverEverTrumpers, or NeverWereTrumpers.
Regarding Candace Owens, her smarts are deeply called into question by her breaking a hard-and-fast rule of recent politics, one that has left a long trail of skeletons of once-promising political figures. In other words, if you go after President Trump, your political value will gradually move toward zero unless the President himself rescues you, something he has frequently done (and the jury is still out on that kind of political kindness! Got Mitch? Got Lindsey? Got Kevin?).
Something tells me that this kind of rescue may not happen for Candace, unless she walks it all back publicly.
As also posted in the Denmark Jab Data article comments section:
These facts remain the same. There were no preclinical trials. None. Zero. Nil. Preclinical trials are imperative to safety prior to human introduction.
The clinical trial itself was aborted, like entering the Boston Marathon and riding a bike from checkpoint to checkpoint, jumping off beforehand, running through and jumping back on until the next checkpoint. In the FDA pipeline process leading to PDUFA, everything leading to each checkpoint is not just for efficacy but for safety.
In the absence of the above and because of the above, hundreds of millions of people are now part of an experiment that should have been performed on lab rats and, if proven safe with potential, over time to humans.
All of which was made possible by banning all known therapeutic drugs.
It was then deceitfully labeled a VACCINE which the aborted clinical trial data showed clearly, in ARR/NNV numbers, not to be capable of providing immunity.
The level of adverse effects is negligently inconsistent with safety standards of virtually any other drug brought to market in the past 40+ years,
While I admire the hell out of 45, he was duped. And if he can’t learn to admit and address his shortcomings, and being duped on the jab wasn’t his only, then he is likely incapable of growing to the next level.
I remain eternally grateful to him for exposing the breadth and depth of criminality of this government and always will be. For sacrificing himself, his family and large chunks of his fortune to try to save this country.
But this brew has the possibility of pure genocide as has been pointed out by many of the “previously” most revered medical doctors, scientists and virologists in the world.
Do I believe the jab has a place? As a preinfection treatment, not a vaccine, for the elderly with comorbidities, perhaps, based on its ability to reduce secondary infection in the lungs. But only there and only because, the other benign therapeutics are banned.
For Trump this should not be a political topic of fence straddling or saving face. Not when the potential for genocide exists and the signs have grown stronger, not weaker, in just the first year of usage. Only four to nine more years and we’ll have a clear understanding how bad or horrific this thing really is. But it will not prove to have been good. Not for the people who got it and not for the evolution of the virus itself.
https://rumble.com/vqqb06-alix-mayer-explains-why-the-drug-companies-are-targeting-kids.html
This is an excellent video which describes the process of the Emergency Use Authoruzation of the vaccines. We ALL need to understand what they are doing- including Pres. Trump.
Thank you Kathy. I still have a ways to go but this video is very interesting to me as it fills in some gaps in my knowledge.
My experience is really in 20+ years of BioPharma being the vast majority of my investment portfolio and understanding the PC to PDUFA steps in detail. And, fortunate enough for me, my career was in data and analytics, so reading the statistical nature of the phases is not as challenging for me as it might be to others.
All that said, EUA is new and, while some of it has been very transparent, the first 15 minutes or so of the video colors in a few points of gray with greater clarity.
Much appreciated!
Kirsch is a good follow too.
Dr. Malone and Vandenbosche are my two favorites. Both are fountains of knowledge.
And yet as I keep mentioning here…Rumble itself requires all employees to be vaccinated! There is no escape from it.
Trump doesn’t care. He doesn’t need to impress anyone with actual knowledge.
—That’s not how he got most votes.
Trump won votes by providing a Clown Show for idiots who thought insulting the Media, DeepState, and China was presidential.
Ask yourself, who benefitted from 4 years of Trump Insults — Trump’s Mass Distraction?
Was it not all of the Armies rolling their guns and Trojan Horses up to our walls and gates?
Who failed to do a damn thing to stop the 2020 Election Theft?
These long threads are mildly entertaining if only for their predictability.
First the subtle ones come out – and then it always comes down to the attempts to persuade CTH that President Trump is Deep State and evil.
Good luck with that around here. 😆
Exactly. Great points. Him of All people know the ACTUAL process that should have taken place. When the control group was sabotaged and the Placebo group was given the Jab, Trump could have made that Loudly Public. Is it his EGO that blinds him?
That is, unfortunately what I sense. His ego is getting in the way here.
That is also what “21USC” and “10USC” also very plainly say. But when your cronies stand to make hundreds of BILlions of dollars and “The Big Guy” takes his cut, what does the law matter, anyway? 🤷♂️
If Candace actually believes that jibberish about Trump being old, not using the internet, and not being able to understand all the information about the virus, shots, the corruptions behind it she is not worthy of my attention. That is an insane comment from one so hailed as even presidential, and frankly arrogant. Trump believes the “vaxx” is a life saving tool. Many believe that. Many of us “believed” it in February and March when all the “OLD” people were encouraged to get the shot, based upon what we thought was reliable and safe medical tools. There were rumors, but not solid info on it. Most of us OLD timers got the shots. Then in late April and May all hell broke loose. It was too late for us. Many refuse to accept that we were injected with poison. Then people took sides. I am sick and tired of the ANTI v vaxx people. Who cares what your medical status is. Trump wants to share all of it. He is NOT demanding anyone take the shot. And what he said is frankly, correct. If you want to be vaxxed, just do it. If not shut up. Stop attacking those who are vaxxed. Oh yes, there are the vaxx karens….but 98% of are NOT karens. We are worried about the poison in our systems. All of us need to be worried about that because it will be a terrible and painful reality of just how evil it all is. I am 78, have good health, no meds, no major issues, what you say “a good immune” system over the years. I do not encourage the shot. But I do not bash those who are injected. I tell them to pay close attention to their bodies. I am outspoken about the correct info on the dangers. I will not be so tolerate of so called patriots who get delight from the failures of the injections upon humans. Tossing Trump to the wolves because he believes the shots are helpful is stupid and just shows how shallow we become sometimes. Oh, most of those being affected by the injections….super bad reactions/deaths, are young — 55 down. Those of injected in early months (March backwards ….the OLD group….don’t seem to having so many life threatening issues. Why? Did something change in the formula). Try noticing that. And just stop.
This is the correct position. Thank you: From where I sit, given the scale of what has taken place, President Trump’s current position is stable and non-controversial. Essentially, here’s the vaccine tools they say will help, decide for yourself.
No. We will not stop. Trump has no business being this uniformed about what’s going on with this “vaccine” at this point. No excuse at all for saying “only the unvaccinated are dying.” I realize this is heartbreaking for many, but I’m not going to flail around trying to make excuses for him. On this issue, there are none. So, don’t tell us to stop. That sounds remarkably like someone who realizes this is a bad thing and can’t face it. You can stick your fingers in your ears and shout “lalalala” if that comforts you, but don’t attempt to shut down those of us who prefer to see him with clear eyes.
Your post provoked an interesting thought, one reflecting on how we often criticize the vaccinated for their investment intellectually and emotionally in the vaccine narrative and refusal to assess it further as time goes by and more information comes to light.
The same can be applied to PDJT’s role in current and recent past events. IDK, perhaps being older, though not as old as PDJT, I remember him as a businessman and far from perfect and, while liking his style of leadership and effectiveness in the face of adversity, had no illusions about him being the be-all and end-all of a leader or patriot.
I’ve often stated PDJT was a great canary; he illustrated clearly where the challenges in the Republic lay and effectively rallied a significant portion of the population to the task. The rest is up to us. We can accept him for his strengths and faults, thank him for his education and service to our lives, wish he and his family good health and fortunes, and move on.
I came from a Depression era family which escaped the Bolsheviks so I know both fortune and suffering so I don’t complain about suffering right now. I focus on survival and the future. The years are short but that’s OK. I’ll die on my terms. God will look over us.
You are entitled to your opinion. But many of us who are WELL informed today, were given only a bare minimum of information. I am not so holier than thou to assume I have the right to determine why Trump or you believe the way you do. I do know it is not your place nor his nor Candace to be so arrogant. This is a very serious situation. And it can be and has deadly. Trump is NOT the problem on the virus issue…the government we have today is the problem. I am not going to go back to end of 2019 when the word came out about the virus and how stunned we all were…but the most stunned was most likely Trump. He had to think quickly. Had the entire USA population to consider. He relied upon the “experts”. He was advised. This BS about being misled by so many is just a crap out. Just how would have handled the situation. Such peebrains who sit on pompous high and say those who actually seeing things as they are. We know where we are headed. And yes, I can say Just Stop! It is my privilege as a liberty loving white female. I have not lived in lalalala land for decades. AND I did not attempt to shut anyone. That is the point.
I am a few years younger than Trump, and how would I have handled this you ask? By not using Fauci! He was alive in the 80s, he knows how dreadful Fauci was with the AIDS epidemic. Trump relied on poor advisors needlessly. And if anyone is arrogant here, it’s you.
I am unfortunately stuck in a blue state (for now) and I don’t see any anti-vax tyranny, I only see vax tyranny and vaxed people who I thought were friends no longer want to see me or my wife! And when I help my friend at his business the owner of the facility screams at me if I am not wearing mask or if it is not fixed properly. The only reason I put up with this mangina Karen is because it would only hurt my friend if I walk out on him. If this person requires the vax, which I believe is coming next, I told my friend I will no longer be able to assist him. So do not say it is 98% anti-vax people being axholes, it is the insufferable f*king Karen communists forcing people to take experimental shot or lose their income and homes!!!!
I disagree with the premise of this article.
Trump has made a MAJOR mistake in being dismissive of the people that have concerns about the vaccine.
Instead of saying “from a very tiny group over there,” he should have said something along the lines of “when I get back in, I’ll fire anyone who messed up my vaccine program.”
But, the fact is, he WAS dismissive – and THAT has broken Trump’s main strength : that he understands, AND FIGHTS FOR, the concerns of the common person.
If you have vaccine concerns, in Trump’s mind, you are part of that “tiny group over there”. You are a nobody. Your concern is to be ignored.
The power of Trump as a unifying voice of the little people against the insanity of the “BIG” (deep state, big corps, big government) has taken a hit.
He not only sided with the “BIG” — he attacked part of his own base. He told them that they are not welcome in his world.
Well said.
It seems this discussion has been reduced to two groups:
1) unconditionally pro Trump or…
2) never Trumpers.
I think that does a disservice to truth and to clear, critical thinking.
Are those who boo when he touts the vax at rallies and at the Trump O’reilly show – are they never Trumpers? Did they wait in line for hours, sometimes in adverse weather conditions, because they’re never Trumpers?
I don’t think so.
I’m neither in group (1) nor (2).
There are no doubt many lurkers like me here.
The discussion is important, I’m taking it all in.
~Gratefully~
Yes. I’m also in neither category. I couldn’t stand Cruz when he ran in 2015-16, and I can’t stand him now. Would NEVER vote for him.
I strongly supported and proudly voted for Donald Trump. Twice.
But his promotion of these vaxs, his bragging about bypassing medical norms and ethics, potentially putting millions at risk, and his dismissiveness of those who don’t agree have all given me pause.
Plus, much of what he says on the subject is either untrue or can’t be confirmed.
For example, he says the vax has saved millions of lives. That’s an insult to our collective intelligence. How does he know that? What double blind study is he getting this from?
He says the unvaxed are the ones getting sick. Also, not true! He says no one is dying from the vax. Again, where is he getting this from?
Finally, something that is affecting me personally. As one of the great unvaxed, I am being shunned and avoided by my family. My adult children aren’t speaking to me. It’s painful and lonely. President Trump is contributing to this vilification of people like me that the dims have been promulgating.
Think back to DJT HCQ, SUN LIGHT Bleach etc. What more do people want from the man? I was taught to respect my elders but to question authority. The flu disappeared in 2020. The plandemic papers are available e.g.) event 201 and others, the patents filed before 2019 etc etc etc
It’s time every individual engage their GOD given brain and accept responsibility for themselves. My Dad said never follow another boat… the same goes for gov’t.
DJT said he was turning America back to “We the People”, We the People need to take the reigns and responsibility in our own minds first. I do believe and have hope this is happening.
Bingo!!! You nailed it!
VAERS now has over 20,000 reported deaths, which is probably two to three times higher, from the Chinese virus “vaccine”. That must be acknowledged and addressed by President Trump. To say that these mRNA are safe is not true. The adverse events are almost a 1,000,000. To deny the science of the harm to not just Americans but people worldwide makes statements to the contrary questionable.
I have voted for President Trump, I was in DC on January 6th, 2020, but it is time to admit that these drugs that were fast tracked are dangerous and ineffective.
OMG who has time to read Mr Retiger. I love Trump, I CHOSE to get the Moderna in Jan, just got Moderna booster. I work in a school with autistic children in NYC. We have lost half of our staff to pubic schools who fired their own staffs for not getting the jab. We just lost another batch of people end of Dec. who did not WANT to follow the mandate. BTW majority of people in NYC losing their jobs are black and hispanic. Our kids do not do well on friggin zoom and yes NYC is crazy. I will be 67, never smoked a day in my life, don’t really drink…yes eat fatty foods. I’ve traveled, had malaria 3 times, got shots for yellow fever etc. People have health conditions that kill them….if you have health problems you have to weigh your chances with this never ending friggin China virus. THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SHOT, IT IS THE MANDATE. Our real problems are the southern border, smoking, cancer, drugs, homelessness and crime. TRUMP 2024!
How nice for you. But that doesn’t help the thousands who’ve been injured and/or killed by these “vaccines.” A fact which has apparently escaped Trump’s notice, despite all the information out there readily available to those who care to know. Why doesn’t he know this? Why haven’t his “advisors” informed him? Why would he actually say, “only the unvaccinated are dying?” That’s an appalling, inexcusable position for anyone to take, let alone someone who wants to govern this country. No, I won’t vote for him again.
There is NO evidence of “thousands” who have been killed by the vaccine in the US.
Lots of speculation and dire warnings though.
Like I said, people have comorbidities that are killing them…shot or not shot. Every death is blamed on Covid or now on the shot. I do not believe that. My sister’s mother-in-law got covid, before the vaccine, she died from her cancer, and her shot lungs caused by smoking her whole life, her liver from drinking her whole life. Her death was blamed on covid but wait a while and it could have been the flu. Somehow no one cares about death caused by the flu. These numbers are ALL misleading. You are falling into the trap of panic, emotions and fear. Panic is not good for your immune system BTW. No one cares if you like Trump or not. At this point in time we need to stop Biden and his mandates.
Enjoy Biden’s replacement.
There’s a study from Denmark which shows that starting 90 days after vaccination the vaccinated are MORE likely to get omicron than the unvaccinated. Speculation as to why this is so – what has been previously warned about as being possible may be coming true:
Omicron – A variant of concern for the vaccinated
2 Dec 2021
https://paretos.substack.com/p/omicron-a-variant-of-concern-for
Conclusion:
If new variants are infecting, asymmetrically, the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated, then why would that be?
We may be seeing these immunological mechanisms at work here.
1. Immune training, where for example the Innate immune system in the unvaccinated is adapting to the everchanging Sars-Cov-2 variants via evolutionary epigenetic control mechanisms and better able to defend itself against infection.
2. The vaccinated undergoing immune tolerance after vaccination, via attenuated toll-like receptor function, Induced by altered mRNA coding in the mRNA vaccines. Adding to their risk of infection by new variants.
3. Hyper-specificity of the adaptive immune system out-competing the broad based innate immune system, as a result of vaccination. Leaving the vaccinated open to variant infection.
Nb. More complex mechanisms are also present, for example, short-lived immature IgG antibodies out competing innate antibodies.
In summary, the scientific literature we have discussed suggests that Sars-Cov-2 variants may have a predilection for the vaccinated. And the above data, in addition to mounting evidence challenging the accepted narrative that the unvaccinated pose a greater risk than the vaccinated, suggest it is now time for that narrative to cease, as it simply does not comport with the current understanding of Sars-Cov-2 and established immunological mechanisms.
BTW, that seems to be confirmed by this although he doesn’t specifically mention it, probably because he doesn’t know about it:
Making Sense Of The Data
Tony Heller – December 26, 2021
https://rumble.com/vrfrm8-making-sense-of-the-data.html
I’m sure the Moronic is achieving great immune escape amongst the jabbed; the data you post seem logical.
But simultaneously, it’s mild and not a killer.
So… there are bigger worries – such as the stampede towards passports, especially digital.
Instead of trusting those “expert” agencies which are thoroughly compromised by regulatory capture, he should have talked to this guy:
BTW, I used to think Robert was an anti-vaxxer NUT because that was the SMEAR levied against him everywhere.
NOT any more. As even he has said, he’s not anti-vax, he’s pro-science and for the proper testing of meds.
Tucker Carlson Today – Robert F. Kennedy Jr. – 11/15/21
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5B9aY7XM3jRs/
Here’s an interesting article about the origins of RFK’s concerns and speaking out about vaccine safety:
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how-rfk-jr-went-from-a-good-guy-to
He has and I’m certain he still does.
Apparently NOT because of his choices critiqued by Candice Owens. He bought the BS from the fully compromised “official” agencies.
He’s a real estate developer, not a science geek with unlimited time to investigate, who was surrounded by incompetent and adversarial staff. Why so? Because no experienced insider wanted to take the risk of angering the UniParty and administrative state (aka, swamp) that an insider would know is actually the government. Note the fates of those who took that risk.
Agree with you 100%, Winston.
Got my hands on RFK Jr’s book above as soon as it came out.
It is well sourced and definitely worth reading.
Yep, I own the book, but for those who don’t want to take the time to read it, PLEASE take the time to watch the interview with Tucker. It is a great “abridged” overview of the book and I suspect that the majority of you will be STUNNED by what he DOCUMENTS.
I was a 100% certified cynic when it comes to government anything, but what I learned from him has blown me away. I’m now a 10,000% certified cynic.
I’m listening to the audio version. I’m miles and miles past certified cynic.
Excellent book. Seventy footnotes so far, and that’s just the Introduction.
When Trump was first elected in 2016, he was interested in vaccine safety, and initially wanted to appoint RFK Jr. as a Vaccine Czar. I thought that was great, and hoped we might finally get at the truth about vaccines existing at that time pre-covid. RFK Jr. seemed on board with it — and suddenly, it seemed like Big Pharma and TPTB somehow intervened, and the White House veered from RFK and stopped returning his calls. I’d like to know what happened. Sounds similar to when Trump was listening to Dr. Zelenko and buying lots of HCQ — and then suddenly wasn’t anymore. Who exactly are the people with the power to derail these things?
RFK Jr. addresses this in his book. If I recall correctly, he believes Big Pharma got to PDJT after their meeting. And for the record, I take the word of no mortal as gospel, including Kennedy. Just recalling from his book, which I’m currently listening to. For some reason, after the election in 2016 and before PDJT took office, I recall thinking vaccine injuries were a topic he was interested in. I recall he made a couple of remarks to that effect back in those days.
“I think he had misplaced faith in the medical intuitions.”
Bingo! From their lousy performance during this pandemic and by being responsible via gain-of-function research FOR IT, a growing number in our idiocracy are realizing that.
To end it completely for you, assuming it hasn’t completely ended already, watch the above Robert Kennedy interview with Tucker or read Robert’s book.
“… From where I sit, given the scale of what has taken place, President Trump’s current position is stable and non-controversial. Essentially, here’s the vaccine tools they say will help, decide for yourself. ”
The correct decision.
If it was only that simple. Tell that again to the families of people who have died, or been maimed… or have lost a job or relented to the jabs – now 3 and counting- to provide for their families. We are not living in a “decide for yourself” environment. And of course now we have the Supreme Court ready to help ensure the needle goes in and the plunger gets depressed. No Mr President you’ve got this one wrong.
“We are not living in a “decide for yourself” …
YES.. Because ,the Democrats are in charge.
If Trump was president he would want you to take responsibility for your own health care decisions.
He is not a KING or a Doctor.
And if you don’t like your Doctor Get a second opinion.
If you don’t like your DICTATOR then vote for a R or move to a RED state.
“Decide for yourself” ….simple
Voting for the R didn’t work so well in 2020.
DJT can’t satisfy everyone when it comes to his position on the jab(s) and his over reliance on BIG PHARMA SHILLS (Fauci, Birx, et al).
We can go back and forth all day on pertinent points.
Should DJT have sought advice from REAL DOCTORS who TREAT patients with WuFLU (McCullough, Zelenko, Cole, etc.)
YES
Should he have had a sit down with RFK Jr., David Martin, Dr. Robert Malone, and Dr. Richard Fleming regarding BIG PHARMA, Gain of Function research and patents, adverse jab events and possible long term effects, etc.
YES
One point I think most of us here at CTH can agree on:
DJT can be more NUANCED (and not so blatantly STUBBORN) in his approach when he comments on OWS and the jabs.
For example:
“This mRNA gene therapy is NEW technology.
It should be geared toward the older demographic with preexisting conditions as a possible therapeutic—along with other repurposed treatments including Ivermectin, HCQ, steroids, etc.
Kids and HEALTHY adults who have basically ZERO chance of dying from the virus, need to focus on eating healthy, getting enough Vitamin D from the SUN, exercising, etc.
This will maximize their immune response.”
I’m not jabbed (I have a very good SCIENCE background) and have been anti vaxx and anti BIG PHARMA for the past 25+ years.
I don’t base my views on hindsight—-I do research—-including opening up the Microbiology text I used at College in 1993, lol!
“Should DJT have sought advice from REAL DOCTORS who TREAT patients with WuFLU (McCullough, Zelenko, Cole, etc.)”
Who said he didn’t? Or, that he isn’t currently informed by others outside the government officials? I can’t imagine President Trump is that small thinking of the Virus released from China.
It would make sense to bring in this crew when the power is shifted back and we have the ability to expose, openly discuss the release of the China Virus and ALL the effects. One of the first steps of open discussions will be his social media site.
“I can’t imagine President Trump is that small thinking…”
This is why people are shocked by his vaccine commentary. Maybe he’s doing some legendary chess trickery but, in the end, that’s nothing more than manipulation. Both possibilities are disturbing.
There are other possibilities (being threatened, for instance) but not many of them inspire confidence.
Why does he choose not to be critical of “vaccines” that have proven themselves dangerous and ineffectual?
Add this: the multi-billion dollar “public health” agencies whose jobs are to fund totally unprofitable research like the off-label use of OFF-PATENT drugs as treatments DID NOT DO THAT.
Why? See Robert Kennedy above. Short answer: because of regulatory capture, those “public” agencies are profit driven to include individuals within them, like Fauci, who directly profit from their decisions.
Fauci is the freaking devil. What an incredibly evil little man he is and has been throughout his illustrious money- and power-grabbing career.
Thank you Sundance!
Candace needs to fade away and do something real before anyone will ever pay attention to what she has to say.
Anyone else notice the only time DJT loses the audience is when he starts promoting the Clot shots?
I think the left is now baiting him with this as they realize the side effects of these dangerous injections can no longer be ignored…
If his goal is to be a true MAGA leader and patriot, he could easily combat the bait by focusing on corporate fascism and collaboration with corrupt government and the judiciary. That’s currently where the attacks on real citizen’s lives are.
Without the cooperation of business and the courts, this whole Covid nonsense would be a non-starter. Trump can focus on that. He knows business well and likely selected more judges, in the absolute numbers sense, even if not with complete control of the process, than any sitting POTUS in my lifetime which goes back to Eisenhower.
If anyone has standing to criticize the judiciary and the corporate cabal, he does. He can. Plenty of us do. They’re killing us while living their comfortable lives. Opportunity squandered.
And today Fauci himself was puzzled as to why so many of Trump’s followers would be against his opinion of the vaccine and would be “boooing” him like that……
I believe the “Hydroxy” and Ivermectin are both vaccines which President Trump told us he took….maybe those are the VACCINES he supports. Please stop being triggered by the words in other peoples’ opinions.
So treatments are now vaccines too?
I hope they update the definition soon because all these terminology alterations are just so confusing…
Latest definition of vaccine:
“Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”
Original definition:
” A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.”
Yeah – altered definition to suit the intent.
hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin aren’t vaccines (…yet)
“Strong correlation between Cruz supporters 2016 and DeSantis supporters 2021” – can you please show evidence to support that statement?
P. Trump doesn’t support mandates.
P Trump doesn’t parrott the science spin of the anti vax crowd. They believe their science, the vax is poision, and presumably would deny the vax to millions who wanted to take it. That’s as evil think as those would word force the vax on people.
The anti vax crowd is turning against P Trump because he isn’t echoing their fears of the vax.
P Trump is right on the issue. Take the vax or don’t. It’s up to each individual to decide.
Not taking the vax is a logical position based upon assessing evidence that they’re unsafe and that those pushing them cannot be trusted.
Calling us fearful anti-vaxxers is a convenient slur used to discount our position.
“Take the vax or don’t. It’s up to each individual to decide.” Correct.
“P Trump is right on the issue.” Trump is also touting the virtues of the vax and tooting his own horn despite all the evidence showing that they’re unsafe and that those pushing them cannot be trusted.
And this is not identical to how Desantis discusses the vax – he doesn’t crow about them and pat himself on the back repeatedly.
The homicidal vax tsars are the ones making peoples lives miserable, not anti-vax people. Anti-vax people have no power!
I am for freedom of choice. I think the shot is not worth the risk, but if people want to be test rat in phase 3 human experiment that is their choice. I will pray for them, however, there are some I hope to drop dead for the betterment of humanity. I say let God sort them out.
Excellent article and spot on I believe.
Trump repeatedly talked about the Swamp, and generally speaking, it was from the standpoint of the political side of things. It is a reality to this day, and the Swamp creatures are alive and well in every state of our Union.
As President, there is no way you can be an expert in virology or medicine unless that is in fact your educational background. Trump’s background is business, and he did a heck of a job towards getting our Union back on track.
As President, he had to rely on the integrity of the Federal health system and big Pharma, he had no other choice. Unfortunately the whole federal health system and big pharma didn’t/doesn’t have but a smidgeon (if any) of integrity.
For those of you that want to use your hindsight/foresight to belittle how the few people with any integrity in relation to how they handle themselves now or in the past, I call BS. Just look at all the past and present gaslighting that has taken place with anyone that has both expertise and integrity and had the balls to disagree with the “experts “. This is tread lightly and big stick times we are living in folks.
If you have recall, Trump was supposed to appoint RFK jr. to a vaccine investigation panel well before covid.
What happened?
Big Pharma stepped in and said no way!
“As for his “advisors,” they’re all a good bit younger than he is, so what’s their excuse?”
Two factors:
He had an incompetent and adversarial staff because no experienced insider wanted to take the risk of angering the UniParty and administrative state (aka, swamp) that an insider would know is actually the government. Note the fates of those who took that risk and weren’t swamp creatures.
Everyone foolishly trusted the agencies providing the advice.
I don’t recall Bolton having any influence.
President Trump said he would do the opposite of whatever Bolton recommended. Having heard that, I can understand having a diseased warmonger near.
All things in the past. Trump was the best President in a hundred years. Told you what happened and warned you about deep state. It’s up up to you to decide.
Yes, that is undeniable. Trump is smart but he is not God.
“The vaccines now require boosters, and the vaccines do not stop the spread of infection, ergo they are useless or potentially worse, might cause harm. Despite these issues, the position of the United States government has not changed,” Enough said. How is it that Trump doesn’t understand this?
Trump said, “The ones who get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don’t take the vaccine. But it’s still their choice. And if you take the vaccine, you’re protected,” Trump told Owens.
“Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get it, it’s a very minor form,” Trump continued. “People aren’t dying when they take the vaccine.”
That is 100% not true. If you aren’t seeing the data that proves that to be untrue, then you are not looking. That statement also proves that Candace is correct. Trump had not done his homework.
Trump made too many critical errors for me to support him again, and I was a fanatical supporter in 2016. 1) He let Fauci and Birx run the Covid response, 2) he set himself and his supporters up for the Dem’s Jan 6 trap, 3) he is a poor judge of people and makes horrendous hiring decisions.
BTW, I never supported Cruz, but I will most definitely support DeSantis i n2021. He’s articulate (Trump is clearly not – everything is great or everything is terrible), he does not pick petty, useless fights to support ego gratification needs, and he personally led Florida’s response to covid, which has proven highly successful. To a person, everyone I know who supported Trump in 2016 prefers to not do so any longer – he creates far too much negative energy. DeSantis creates positive energy, plus his age makes him more relevant to a much larger section of the voting public. At this point, Trump is self-damaged goods.
So much blind stubbornness in these comments, so much refusal to see clearly, so much clinging to an inner vision of Trump as the hero we all desperately need, so much anger at those who aren’t afraid to see Trump clearly and speak the truth about it. I know letting go of the notion that Trump is our savior is scary, people, but we shouldn’t be waiting to be saved in the first place. We need to save ourselves. Any man who can, at this point, actually say “only the unvaccinated are dying” is unfit to govern. This is one issue, but it’s a HUGE issue. I voted for him both times, but not again. And never for the Republican Party again. I am without a party and I can face that without flinching.
What exactly has he done wrong? Warp speed was to protect the most vulnerable among us, such as the elderly and the morbidly obese from dying, not to vaccinate every man, woman, and child in the world like all of these Western governments want. Before the vaccine even came out, Trump was supporting all these therapeutics that the Biden administration has outlawed for us peasants and he wanted to open the country back up completely.
It’s real easy to bash him now and forget that he was being called a murderer 24/7 by pretty much every major media outlet in the country because he wasn’t doing enough to fight the China virus. I wonder how you would hold up under those circumstances. I’m guessing that you would have curled up into the fetal position on the first day if you actually had to answer to an entire country for your opinions.
Trump is the only leader since Reagan who sincerely tried to do what is best for all Americans, who denounced the swamp and tried to change it. It troubles me that he so clearly saw the fakery within the media but appears to be accepting or unaware of the fakery of Big Pharma as well as the medical Deep State as they drive our country to the Great Reset. It also troubles me that he appears to not yet recognize the treachery of the GOP leadership.
As a single human being with the same human failings as many of us, he cannot be expected to single-handedly turn around what the majority of us allowed to happen over past decades. Every time someone came forward to speak truth to power, we failed to mobilize. Our “silent majority” stayed silent too long. We let them take the Tea Party away from us; we voted Rinos into powerful positions; we let the bought-and-paid-for party leaders take over local elections.
Even the best general, the smartest tactician needs troops to carry out the battle plans. PDJT never had enough troop strength at local and state levels to win the war, and that is because the majority of us stayed in the background for all the years preceding the ride down the escalator. Therefore, we cannot look to one person to correct what we ourselves have installed.
Even today, I see only a few government leaders (federal state and local) who are willing to speak out about and fight the evil promulgated by the globalists. PDJT certainly has a powerful voice and occupies a unique position. I am not ready to toss that away even though I recognize some weaknesses.
“He’s old” “He doesn’t use the internet”
“He and his family have been threatened”
“His ego blinds him” “He can’t see beyond Warp Speed and the vaccine injuries”
Been a Trump supporter 2016 and 2020. But in 2022 any one of those rationalizations makes him unfit for the oval office.
In Candice’s defence, she’s young, and doesn’t understand 5D Chess.
Umm ok. I have heard of Trump saying things. When he was President. I have never heard him boasting about the vax. If he did he would still be the only choice as President. Do you know how lucky you are because you have a President and not Prime Minister. With a President your choices are still yours for the time being. .
And this, boys and girls, is how you will end up with Rafael Cruz.
I think Candace meant well. Young people typically discount older people’s ideas and find us less than because we are older and different. There is even a joke to that point, that notes “It is amazing how much smarter my father has become , from when I left home at 18 and returned at 26.”
Donald Trump believes in the vaccines because he was on the front line helping to get them out. He may be wrong, deceived by Fauci and deep state players, but I am sure he does not feel the need to research the topic of these vaccines. Trump may reach out to Scott Atlas , or Dr. Malone, if he runs for President again . But Candace’s suggestion that he should search the internet is arrogant. She means well.
“When I was a lad of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to be in the same room with him. But when I turned 21, I was amazed by how much the old man had learned in just seven years.”
That’s it, and very true. Thanks.
When I read what Candace Owens said about Pres. Trump being “old, doesn’t use the Internet”……she lost my support. She could have said something different, not so condescending, to get her point across.
What people on this site forget…….Pres. Trump had his hands tied, attacks against him were coming from all sides, the people that were supposed to guide and support him were/are traitors and undermined him at every turn – working against him, and if he had fired Fauci both the Marxist Dems and Marxist Republicans would have impeached him….. again.
Pence and his people were in charge of the Covid response, working with Fauci.
Look at how many so called Republicans are now publicly going after Pres. Trump who once supported not certifying the election.
The FDA and Big Pharma screwed Pres. Trump with Marxist backing. They saw their chance and took it.
I don’t understand why he keeps pushing the Covid inoculation. I think he is still getting bad advice
regarding the inoculation.
His one weakness is trusting people too much.
Yep, the buck stops with Trump!
He could have taken the proven scientific route and overridden the Fraudci-ites and pressed forward with therapeutics like HCQ and IVM, but he didn’t.
I agree with estimates that approx. 85% of all Covid related deaths could have been prevented with therapeutics. Trump remains largely responsible for them. This also holds true for all the suffering and deaths that ensued from the unscientific lockdowns.
Even after recovering from Covid, Trump is still touting the jabs, says he has taken them, including the booster, and tells his audience to “take the vaccines”!
The Great Reset has now taken the reigns from Trump and are using them to drive the entire planet into their version of 1984.
If we ever have another free & fair election, Trump will not be the candidate…
Yes amazingly Japan did this, some states in India I believe Nicaragua, etc. And many of us just regular people without experts to guide us knew from the very beginning that this was and still is a plandemic and that there are simple ways to maintain your health and fight this and any other virus.
Notice they never did and still don’t talk about vitamin D or losing weight. If every American had optimal vitamin D levels almost none would die from/with Covid.
Many ranchers and farmers took some ivermectin and kept living their lives.