A very odd sequence of events (more on that later) created a need for me to pause the ongoing “Fourth Branch of Government” series. A rather important discovery connected to Israeli intelligence and China came into view. I am still evaluating, and researching deeper than comfortable in this rabbit hole. It is very time consuming and more than a little complex to unravel.
If you read the article about the “Pegasus Project”, spyware created to infect cell phones that was marketed by Israeli intelligence through a company called NSO {Go Deep Here}, then you essentially know the background. However, a very serious connection and discovery has been made that changes the dynamic of that story completely.
It has been identified that the actual code that created the malware behind Pegasus was not, in actuality, code generated from within the network of the Israeli company that sells the software/spyware.
There is a very strong indication the actual spyware was created by the Chinese.
Yes, that would make the “Pegasus spyware” Chinese spyware distributed to western governments and agents (outside 5-eyes) through the false front of the Israeli government.
Obviously, if we can verify this evidence, the entire dynamic behind the story changes dramatically. The Israelis, specifically the NSO company that markets Pegasus, would have to know the origin was China. Questions: (1) Why would Israel act as the front for Chinese spyware to infect phones of western targets? (2) If the Israelis did not know the origin of the software/spyware was China, well, that’s an even bigger issue by itself – but the baseline there is doubtful.
The original Guardian Article explained Pegasus like this:
NSO creates tech software, spyware, that allows governments to spy on cell phones.
As the Guardian notes, [NSO] “sells surveillance technology to governments worldwide. Its flagship product is Pegasus, spying software – or spyware – that targets iPhones and Android devices. Once a phone is infected, a Pegasus operator can secretly extract chats, photos, emails and location data, or activate microphones and cameras without a user knowing.”
Due to the nature of the product they sell, NSO works with the Israeli government to vet the purchaser of the spyware they sell.
Returning to the Guardian report, “Claudio Guarnieri, who runs Amnesty International’s Security Lab, said once a phone was infected with Pegasus, a client of NSO could in effect take control of a phone, enabling them to extract a person’s messages, calls, photos and emails, secretly activate cameras or microphones, and read the contents of encrypted messaging apps such as WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal.”
Pegasus has been deployed to target tens-of-thousands of cell phones by the people who Israel sold the spyware to. The Guardian, and a group of allied leftists in media, has been granted access to a leaked massive batch of 50,000 phone numbers that the Pegasus software was operating in.
If the Chinese origin is accurate; and it looks to me like it is; then the real benefactor of all that spyware data extraction was actually the Communist Party of China. The people, and western governments who deployed the spyware, would have access to the phone data of the target. However, unbeknownst to the originating entity, the CCP would end up with access to the results of the spyware the Western government launched.
If this turns out to be correct, that is one super stealthy intelligence operation by the Communist Chinese with a myriad of downstream consequences.
Instead of infiltrating the databases of western enemies, the Chinese may have just provided a trojan horse to their enemy (Western governments) who then unwittingly (?) deployed spyware on their behalf, thinking the Western agents were conducting cell-phone surveillance on their own targets….. and while doing so they were unwittingly feeding the intelligence result to Chinese intelligence services.
More later….
Initial thoughts?
I was going to write something about Israel not being trustworthy and h aving a long history of acting viciously against America but I don’t want to be on the list of 50,000 targeted. So I’ll just keep my views to myself.
Haven’t forgotten Israel using microphone devices to spy on the WH and Capital Hill back in 2018.
Israel has a disturbing habit of killing people trying to help them.
The Israeli Lehi Group assassinated Lord Moyne, who was basically in charge of defeating the Nazis in N Africa.
Then they assassinated Folke Bernadotte, the Swedish diplomat who saved thousands of Jews from death (White Busses)
They even tried to kill President Truman with a letter bomb, even though he was the best friend Israel had.
look what they did to President Trump –
Edward: I hear you, but I think it’s more than that.
What was the top economy in the continent of South America? Current status: rubbed out.
What (was) the only functioning non-Marxist country in Sub-Saharan Africa? Current status: rubbed out.
What is the only democratic, non-Marxist and top economy in the Middle East? Current status: Dicey
Ditto Taiwan, Korea and Japan
This is not a time to waver on support for Israel.
Trust, but Verify.
Oy vey, stop asking questions goyim!
You might start noticing who is funding and behind all these multinationals, NGOs, and politicians who are pushing globohomo and taking away your rights and culture.
Question to CTH: “a very serious connection and discovery has been made” re Pegasus–what precisely is this connection and who made it?
“Yes, that would make the “Pegasus spyware” Chinese spyware distributed to western governments and agents (outside 5-eyes) through the false front of the Israeli government.”
” the false front of the Israeli government.”
Let that roll around in your mind a bit.
We Americans, as pat of the West, tend to think in terms of teams and sides and allies. Non-Western nations and cultures think in terms of racial and religious identities. There are no friends. There are no allies. There are only nations and cultures that act together when their interests are parallel, and do not hesitate to sell out a former “ally” when interests diverge.
News flash: Israel is not Western.
Sort of gives a glimpse of a whole new dimension of prescience in that sword dance, doesn’t it?
Trump saw around corners. Biden bumps into the wall.
“”Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.” A quote from Lord Palmerston, an English statesman(and a Westerner.)
Hate to break it to you. The US sells out and betrays allies *all the time* almost without exception and often leaves them to gruesome reprisals by enemies. We’ve been doing this since FDR sold out the Poles and Hungarians to the Sovs. If we’d at least be honest about it we could understand it as acting in our own interest just as every other nation, but instead we pretend that we’re different or better.
Just like Joe is doing the Afgan’s now.
But the West IS different and it IS better, the current pinnacle of human development. We try to hold ourselves to a standard that is different and better. ALL men are created equal. We ALL have rights that are God-given, not man-created. That is our American Christian model. But the Obamanicks try to devolve America into a non-Western model by dividing us up and pitting us against each other along old non-Western dividing lines. They say America is not better, just different. I say different AND better.
You make the same mistake as the non-Christian who walks into a Christian church, is shocked and disillusioned to find a house full of sinners, and concludes that Christianity is a sham because the actions of so many of those who profess it are often no different from those who don’t. But it IS different. Christians try, fail, repent, and try again to live according to a higher standard than an animal pursuit of self interest. We CAN be better than animals in our actions, even if our tainted natures would direct us differently.
And the Jews. -> https://www.history.com/news/wwii-jewish-refugee-ship-st-louis-1939. FDR was a very evil man and condemned over 900 Jews to death. FDR hated Jews the same as Adolf Hitler did. Of course FDR would sell out others as well, he was a pig.
Yeah but it is super smart. Deploy your enemies to spy on each other and charge them for it. Then scoop up all the proceeds of their efforts for free. It is like the greatest train robbery of all time. There should be an IC man of the century award for whomever came up with the idea.
The Democrats may have it too . I sometimes wonder if this virus can be added to the stolen election, Facebook etc , open borders , socialist laws to deliberately to get rid of Trump and China funded .
We have truly passed through the looking glass. Words mean whatever the speaker wants, verdicts before trials, and the UniParty with their Cheshire cat smiles.
delete my account now
we believe in self determination here, TXLady 😉
Perhaps this was the insurance policy IC/FBI & Senator Schummer referred to – this might have been in place for years and we are only finding out now. I think moving forward we just have to assume worst case scenarios. Up is Down, Down is Up. Bottom line – there is no accountability – across the board. None.
Thank you SD. Thank you for shinning the light on these fowl treasonous parasites. God Bless America
great point
Remember, if you will, where Apple iPhones are manufactured. That’s correct, CHINA!
Melski,
Thank you for reminding all of the “Apple Mob” as to the origin of there “wonderfully marvelous” devices BRAVO!
Lets not forget the REAL INVADERS, “ALEXA are you listening” “Echo are you listening” Pegasus is OLD HAT!
Just think of the concept ,Mike is always ON and LISTENING, 7/24/264 connected to the “Net” and now they are building Micro Nets using the user provided access.
Checked out one device and it has (7) net members and it looks like the (7) have at least 5+ of their own, traffic is encrypted and on 7/24/365
PS:
As a Goof I play “OLD TIME RADIO Shows” from Sirius to “ALEXA ‘s Mike and she keeps wondering if it is Actually Christmas in July”.
I am going to say this because it needs to be said and I am going out on a limb by doing so. (I know a lot more than most people about what is and has happened involving China)
China, has been the proving ground for Big Tech’s latest and greatest tools for many years now without really being detected. Its the number one reason why they have been getting a pass in almost every aspect while violating American Sovereignty and committing corporate espionage. Sigh! Commerce Secretary Ross tried to address this problem and is the reason why they are trying to go after his policies to undo some of them so they can go full bore on the implementation social credit score system and crypto!
So it’s less Google helping China with their massive technocratic populace control systems, and more China helping Google with theirs?
Both. We are being sold out by our own intelligence and political class in order to usher in systems that gives the elites more and total control. Orwell was a prophet. “Every Prophet in his house!’
Every data point ever presented at CTH supports that contention, not one contradicts it.
We are in deep kimchi.
(Ja, I know, not Chinese! What might be a CTH friendly Chinese analogue?)
Fried lice.
no big tech is in one form or another complicit!! the more Oresident Trump went after China the more big tech went after the commie chinese and china has gone after President Trump –
What Was Pelosi Doing in China on November 1, 2020?
https://gellerreport.com/2021/08/what-was-pelosi-doing-in-china-on-november-1-2020.html/
Certainly getting instructions and arranging payola.
Maybe arranging UN and invasion stuff.
Eating Female Dogs. Cannibal
Synchronizing the impeachment with the release of the virus. You do remember the “illogical” stalling?
By knowing concretely what our western “allies” are keeping up with, China has a clearer understanding of their true global positions and how to use “allies” against one another. The more you know…
This is yet another thing that helps me remember if the bottom line. God is in control. If he were not, we would all be completely overwhelmed and vulnerable to scheme after scheme by the enemy. But God is in control. And I am 100% confident he is dealing with the enemy and all these things. He is our protector, and the only one with the power To intercept the enemies weapons. There is no doubt we are being bombarded, and it tests all of our faith. But our roots of faith are being dug down even deeper.
Sundance – Love the bunny!
Indeed. I like to write it like this:
China
Is
Asshoe
Cyber attack tool attribution is very difficult and can take years. I am suspect of any attribution that takes days instead of years. It is just too easy to insert false leads that take an analyst down a false path. Top tier nation state actors do this on purpose (see CIA Vault 7 tools for example, and they aren’t the best). It “could” be China. It “could” also be a 3 letter agency doing 3rd party collection.
It also would not surprise me if Deep State actors in Israel are working with the CCP. Just quite hard to get to ground truth in the cyber arena.
The positive being is if they have the W-H phones trapped, the only thing they’ll hear is jibberish.
I 100% disagree with this analyses.
If in fact it used Chinese code it was intentional so when it was found on a device it would be blamed on the Chinese…a common tactic.
I place the Guardians propaganda in the same category as CNN.
Because pegasus can track obama, jarret, etc?
An article in guardian is like the Paul revere of traitors?
Interesting “variant” on a outlook, on the Guardians so called “propaganda, in actuality it is a bunch of CYA since they are in the “net”and that includes a good number of their “friends”.
As to “Code” if you actually ever (in person)experienced Chinese coders you would know that their “English” is a bit “rusty” and they use a LOT of “Chinese symbology” in the source code.
And when it comes up to the “Big Man” just REMEMBER behind the Tech Moguls we have their WIVES, Look them UP!
And Yes NOW CNN stands for the “Communist News Network”, Yes a while back it was the Clinton News Network but they have Moved Up In The World
Dont forget that stingray was their initial means to live intercept phone use….
No consequences ever came to the police units using it.
Hey WB, think bigger. See my comment below . 11:56 time stamp.
Have read the piece and comments, and can only add:
IT”S MUCH WORSE THAN ANYONE IN THE TREES SEEMS TO UNDERSTAND.
Our devices and our apps are quite LITERALLY OUR VIRTUAL PRISON.
Check out Jovan Pulitzer’s piece regarding the PANOPTICON. The degree of “watching” and the way every signal ripples across the millions of watchers is mind numbing.
Pulitzer offers some technical suggestions to help limit your exposure.
IMO- Ditching the phone would be a very good start.
Phones are “Old Hat” in comparison to what the Oligarchs managed to sneak into our lives for (low Cost or Free), Alexa, Echo ++++
Lets NOT FORGET The “Smart TV’s” in one Samsung I found (3) mikes One central and one left and right and one interesting well disguised camera. The TV keeps “complaining” that it has lost its network connection when the router limits its outbound traffic.
Hey new guy…
Phone are ubiquitous. Everyone has one.
Only morons invite more eyes and ears (the things you note) into their homes.
Look at the Pulitzer panopticon video before discounting. It’s way worse than you think.
And yes the internet of things is part of it too.
(who needs a smart TV, toaster, or refrigerator anyway? only Dummies)
And phones are substantially more capable than the things you note.
Phones also have eyes and ears, and tons of apps that all spy on us in concert.
I can’t find the Pulitzer video cited ~ do you have a link?
Even if you threw away your phone and went to a house that didn’t have any “Smart” devices, they would track you there on your vehicle’s GPS. “Smart devices” is another one of those brilliant marketing ploys to make something very insidious sound like a great idea.
Do you have a link to the Panopticon article?
This is all I found:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBmDy0YRFB4
And how many billions of dollars, both publicly and secretly, does the USA give to Israel? And WHY?!
Israel is geographically very, very important to “the West” and other parts of the world who are under threat from Iran and other countries in the Middle East. There is a significant Muslim presence in Serbia and other countries in the former Yugoslavia that are PART OF Europe. From that outpost, significant damage could be done to Europe. Israel is the equivalent outpost of “the West” within the Middle East. “Ally” in this situation does not mean “friend”. It means “Party who is most likely to let us use their soil to mount an offensive in a direct conflict between the US and/or Europe against a Middle Eastern country”.
Israel was not randomly installed in their geographic location in 1947. Creating “Israel” met important military objectives. It would have been very unseemly for “the West” to just take half of Palestine and plant themselves there. Allowing “God’s Chosen” to “reclaim their Holy Land” was a lot more palatable. Regardless of what reasons are given (typically religion), most (if not all) wars, boiled down to their essence, are land grabs.
It’s kind of typical that Euro-based ‘The Guardian’ would first point the finger at Israel.
And what about Apple phones and Google Android?
-Are we saying that their operating systems had a serious security breach, but they were too stupid to notice it?
-Or did they notice the breaches, but failed to find software measures to correct the issues?
-Or that they found the breaches, developed corrective measures, but CHOSE not to fix them?
-Or that they came up with corrections, informed US intelligence & requested advice, and the IC just punted?
What about this- Microsoft Windows 10 machines appear to track a lot of info also. Much more than Win7.
For example, if you use a cleaner, sometimes just after startup one has hefty MSfiles even after purging before shutdown.
Could there be a Pegasus-version program invader (sometimes) on the PC OS many people use?
Would we know?
If the Chips used in the Devices have the “Problem” when made, NO amount of OS work around will fix anything…..
Spent over 2 years pulling “routers” out and replacing with “Clean” ones that did not have the backdoor built in….
Sundance, NSO is NOT the “Israeli government,” as you state. They are a private company. Yes, I know something of the folks who started the company and their origins. Still, they are not part of the government. (If you can establish the Israeli government controls them or even some level of coordination between the two entities, fine. But you don’t do that here; you only conflate them.)
I am not surprised. Not at all.
https://nexttobagend.blogspot.com/2020/08/with-friends-like-these.html
Clearly CCP and ‘our special friend’ (TM) enjoy overlarge influence over what becomes of good old USofA.
https://nexttobagend.blogspot.com/2021/04/two-days-ago-i-noted-seems-only-fight.html
My guess is, perhaps only after a tacnuke or two in the SCS kills a few thousand of our ill prepared, if diverse, sailors, the CCP’s future will follow the Soviet Communist party’s arc.
As for Israel, well, they’ve been a lost cause for a long time (Jer 31: 31-37 / Mt 21 33:43).
Jew got to be kidding right?
Vulnerabilities in software on devices of all types exist in the wild and are rarely consistent enough unless they are all running the same version of the same software. Apple IOS sets nearly that same condition. Android does not. Android sees versions running on devices from v4 to v11+ and within each deployment the applications which run the exploitable services are also generally very specific to the maker of the device.
And in a normal “in the wild” situation updates which patch the vulnerabilities are pushed out or otherwise made available in a short time.
But for a product service like Pegasus to deliver on professional and reliable operation, it requires that device makers cooperate with the company behind Pegasus. And normally, that wouldn’t happen unless they were forced or required to do so. It is well known in cyber security circles, that Microsoft has to ask for permission to push out a vulnerability to its users. This is essentially asking “are you done exploiting this vulnerability yet?” And how much of a jump is it to guess that the same parties Microsoft has to ask also make requests for new exploits or vulnerabilities to replace the old ones?
Pegasus cannot operate as they do without having the force of government power driving it. It Can NOT.
After Babbit was shot at the capitol on Jan 6. The fbi submitted a request to grant Greenwald of the crime scene science unit. They wanted him to run babbits prints. Greenwald forwards the the request to David chumbley of the dc police department. Chumbley forwards the prints on his iPhone to someone identified as “James koroma” within the dc government. The email sent to ” James koroma” resulted in multiple Microsoft “undeliverable” messages being returned written in Chinese characters
Of everything posted by SD the last several months this interests me the most.
The entire world is finally seeing how successfully the CCP has embedded itself into the various world companies, research labs and governments. Probably one of the most prolific of spy infiltrations in history.
This world wide move by the CCP is going to be a mess, and a big picture view tells me the CCP will eventually be unsuccessful. To be certain, in their pursuit of world dominance they will cause all kinds of destruction, death and general malevolence. I can expand on why I think they will be unsuccessful later. I have thought on this for a while now.
Very interested to see where SD takes this red thread he/she is pulling.
The answer to the dilema that SD proposes has been known since 1967. Ask any survivor of the USS Liberty.
Re the Guardian. This from Wikipedia, itself left leaning. “The paper’s readership is generally on the mainstream left of British political opinion,[10][11] and its reputation as a platform for social liberal and left-wing editorial has led to the use of “Guardian reader” and “Guardianista” as often-pejorative epithets for those of left-leaning or “politically correct” tendencies.” British political opinion itself is pretty far to the left so take all this with a grain of salt.
it is vastly more difficult to attribute certain code modules within spyware)/malware than it is to attribute the entire program ..which can also be difficult.
in the case of pegasus, it’s well established that NSO, a massaad cyber unit, is the principal VENDOR of pegasus…we know this because it is literally a commercial product…well advertised by anyone looking to buy a license to use it.
in terms of a specific nation state other than NSO/massaad/Israel providing specific code services, sure, very likely….there is this WRONG idea that single cyber units produce every single line of code…it’s just not really true…fir the most part cyber units, ATPs, CIA, NSA, etc…all…the malware/spyware will often contain other code “borrowed/gleaned” from prior attacks…that’s pretty much the nature and practice developing ANY code… spyware/malware is no different..it would be unsurprising that pegasus contain “CCP” code… CCP has written some highly effective complex code…and CCP developed that skill by also borrowing code from us, Russia, etc.
pegasus does not rely on supply chain business models…so it would be very difficult that CCP injected their code into the final product.
once the product is leased to let’s say Saudi Arabia…could SA reach out to CCP and have them enhance it?
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yes
but that’s isn’t a supply chain injection…it’s taking your generation 3 tool and having a pro shop give it a specific boost…
it’s important to understand that pegasus is a type of man in the middle, man on the side, type of attack… that’s very limiting given it requires special god mode power on the cell infrastructure or network.
example:
if you are going to spy on let’s say bill gates from Europe…that’s alot of infrastructure access to pull it off. so, getting another “company/ATP” to enhance pegasus for a specific use case so you can overcome technically difficult exploit vectors would be the goal.
I’m using SA and bill gates here to illustrate several factors
spying across varied infrastructure is very difficult and expensive.
bill gates would be a premium target ANY nation state would like to spy on.
SA has virtually unlimited wealth AND a global interest to target specify people and orgs.
CCP is much like Russia and the US…hanging groups that sell services may operate within the border but that doesn’t always mean those hacking groups operate with the approval or even knowledge of their own government…
would it benefit CCP to have phone home code within pegasus…sure!
it would benefit ANY who could include that in the operational product…
also this…Israeli cyber units are world class..at the tippy top.
pegasus has been running for quite a long time.. known.
if there was some corruption within it, Israel/NSO would know about it ..
Israel is also well established in counter Intel trade craft..
it would not surprise me if Israel KNOWS another actor has piggy packed on their product.
just thoughts…jmho.
God Bless America
who is saying there are indications the code is not of Israel and what are those indications comprised of ?
In turn is that how people like the governor of Georgia signs off on election fraud or all the other strange things
In my opinion Israel has been taken over by Communists. Look at the Evil guy they elected to replace Bibi. I no longer trust ANY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, contractors, etc. IN ANY COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY the USA!!! Maybe Poland. They look promising, until 10 Nations rise against them, which I can see coming soon since the Polish do not want to be OVERRUN by MUSLIM RAPISTS, and the other places like England and Britain etc. are pressuring Poland Daily to take the Muslim rapists into their country. VIVA POLAND!!!!!!
Your hypothesis is my original hunch. The mind moves too fast for the fingers to capture the reasoning, but basically, Israel is not the Israel of 1947, or even 1997.
Israel has been in a state of quiet civil war since circa 2007, same as here. Powers have been trying to take Bibi N down for too long to remember, so many elections held with no majority found anywhere to form a government.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility that some part of the Israeli population have sold out to and joined forces with the CCP, as our Treasonous Uniparty has done. It only takes one coder to inject some foreign code into the millions of lines of code, with none the wiser. An AI may have even been the original coder; who would know?
We are blessed by one who is able to document and articulate what so many of us knew from the start, but without your ability to explicate. Thank you. Will contribute what I am able, which is not much.